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Well in the early 90s stores surveillance wasn't very high tech if they had any. They may have just had one obvious camera or nothing at all. He could get away then if no one saw him he could just pretend nothing happened

but with forensic evidence and such this is a classic case of something you'd expect to be solved

but with forensic evidence and such this is a classic case of something you'd expect to be solved

To my knowledge, the only significant pieces of forensic evidence were the rounds that killed the victims. They were all from a .25 handgun, although I can't recall if it was established that they were all fired from the same .25. Beyond that, there wasn't a lot to go on--aside from the physical description of the shooter. Also, keep in mind that the shootings occured across state lines and multiple police jurisdictions. I'd imagine it'd be difficult to link up all those agencies and have them all working equally as hard on the case simultaneously. Some agencies may simply be better funded and equipped than others to handle an extensive investigation and forensic testing.

Speaking of caliber--what a seemingly unusual one to use. A .25? I've never ever seen a .25, let alone ever fired or owned one. I suppose the killer may have chosen it because it's probably quiet.

First let me answer your question. The reason he hasnt been caught is simple. Either A) he moved out of the I70 area and is somewhere else. B) he's in prison or jail or C) he's dead. It's very hard to find a serial killer like this guy because 1) he kills you and he only let one witnesss walk away alive and 2) he does his killing quick and takes off. No one has even seen this man's car, no one knows much about him except his looks and his gun and that's not much information to catch someone. He likely didnt leave much DNA because i dont think he raped these women, just killed them.
To my knowledge, the only significant pieces of forensic evidence were the rounds that killed the victims.
yep, i also think that's right, not much forensic evidence.
Beyond that, there wasn't a lot to go on--aside from the physical description of the shooter.
and even that is not much to go on when you have no face to match with this description.
I suppose the killer may have chosen it because it's probably quiet.
that's very likely.

To my knowledge, the only significant pieces of forensic evidence were the rounds that killed the victims. They were all from a .25 handgun, although I can't recall if it was established that they were all fired from the same .25. Beyond that, there wasn't a lot to go on--aside from the physical description of the shooter. Also, keep in mind that the shootings occured across state lines and multiple police jurisdictions. I'd imagine it'd be difficult to link up all those agencies and have them all working equally as hard on the case simultaneously. Some agencies may simply be better funded and equipped than others to handle an extensive investigation and forensic testing.

Speaking of caliber--what a seemingly unusual one to use. A .25? I've never ever seen a .25, let alone ever fired or owned one. I suppose the killer may have chosen it because it's probably quiet.

Actually, the weapon he used was an Intratec .22. It's a very rare and shouldn't have been that hard to track down. Not many were made and not many were sold.

.25 is rarely used in the US due to its lack of stopping power. It's mainly used here in cheaply made "Saturday special" style handguns, although a company called Seecamp made one that is an excellent weapon.

I don't think that the killer was caught because:

1) He crossed jurisdictional lines and that usually prevents even slam dunk cases from being solved.
2) There were only a few witnesses that actually saw him and survived.
3) None of the stores where he struck apparently had video surveillance.
4) He parked his vehicle away from where he committed his crimes and then walked to it. That doesn't seem like much...but they apparently only had sketchy descriptions of one thing that would have nailed down his identity.
5) He apparently didn't send the police any of the taunting notes or letters that some of those psychos do.
6) He was either caught for another crime, became ill or was committed to a mental institution.

And finally,

7) Bad police work.

Is there a link between the i70 killer and the person who murdered those women on another interstate (non-prositutes) ?

Actually, the weapon he used was an Intratec .22. It's a very rare and shouldn't have been that hard to track down. Not many were made and not many were sold.

.25 is rarely used in the US due to its lack of stopping power. It's mainly used here in cheaply made "Saturday special" style handguns, although a company called Seecamp made one that is an excellent weapon.

I don't think that the killer was caught because:

1) He crossed jurisdictional lines and that usually prevents even slam dunk cases from being solved.
2) There were only a few witnesses that actually saw him and survived.
3) None of the stores where he struck apparently had video surveillance.
4) He parked his vehicle away from where he committed his crimes and then walked to it. That doesn't seem like much...but they apparently only had sketchy descriptions of one thing that would have nailed down his identity.
5) He apparently didn't send the police any of the taunting notes or letters that some of those psychos do.
6) He was either caught for another crime, became ill or was committed to a mental institution.

And finally,

7) Bad police work.

Its mainly the Juristiction of every area which is the biggest hold up! Secondly, Its a cold case..Do you know how many cold cases the police have to contend with. This would litterly be a case they would look at every now and then to follow up on any new leads or info. As for DNA? thats hard to determine, depends on the range of execution and if he would in fact be stupid enough to have sex with his victims and leave dna behind...In that time it would be lucky if the cops collected enough sample to actually perform a dna match of some kind. It would be interesting to see the profile they came up with given such small information.

Its mainly the Juristiction of every area which is the biggest hold up! Secondly, Its a cold case..Do you know how many cold cases the police have to contend with. This would litterly be a case they would look at every now and then to follow up on any new leads or info. As for DNA? thats hard to determine, depends on the range of execution and if he would in fact be stupid enough to have sex with his victims and leave dna behind...In that time it would be lucky if the cops collected enough sample to actually perform a dna match of some kind. It would be interesting to see the profile they came up with given such small information.

Let's see:

1) I did say jurisdictional issues were part of the reason. However, the interstate nature of this crime would make (and have made) it case for the FBI. However, it appears that these were seen as individual crimes for an extended period of time and only passed to the FBI well after they could have been easily solved.

2) I'm also aware that there many "cold cases." Frankly, the random nature of the crimes, the lack of an obvious suspect(s) and the police making critical logic and procedural errors are the primary reasons for case going "cold." Had even LE agencies within in the same counties had used the same types of radio systems (which was possible in the early 1970's) there could have been many cases solved that are now "cold."

The public is also responsible by not demanding better police work from their departments and more accountability from the departments leadership. They also have failed in several major cities to pass bond initiatives that would have provide more funding for training and equipment, making some departments fall years behind the technological curve.

That's why there are so many cold cases.


3) There was probably DNA on the shell casings from the weapon. There may be hairs or fluids on the bodies if he touched them after he shot them. Who knows?

The point is, at this late date, the only way this will likely be solved is that a DNA sample found will match another collected by LE in another jurisdiction, a confession or that this guy will attempt to continue his "spree" and will caught as a result.

Let's see:

1) I did say jurisdictional issues were part of the reason. However, the interstate nature of this crime would make (and have made) it case for the FBI. However, it appears that these were seen as individual crimes for an extended period of time and only passed to the FBI well after they could have been easily solved.

2) I'm also aware that there many "cold cases." Frankly, the random nature of the crimes, the lack of an obvious suspect(s) and the police making critical logic and procedural errors are the primary reasons for case going "cold." Had even LE agencies within in the same counties had used the same types of radio systems (which was possible in the early 1970's) there could have been many cases solved that are now "cold."

The public is also responsible by not demanding better police work from their departments and more accountability from the departments leadership. They also have failed in several major cities to pass bond initiatives that would have provide more funding for training and equipment, making some departments fall years behind the technological curve.

That's why there are so many cold cases.


3) There was probably DNA on the shell casings from the weapon. There may be hairs or fluids on the bodies if he touched them after he shot them. Who knows?

The point is, at this late date, the only way this will likely be solved is that a DNA sample found will match another collected by LE in another jurisdiction, a confession or that this guy will attempt to continue his "spree" and will caught as a result.

Theres not enough funding in cold case investigation as well nor the manpower needed to really persue this..I do know that when you cross boarders its pretty much fbi that runs this. everything you mentioned here i am aware of but my question was what the profile of the killer they had came up with from thier phycological expert looked like? They usually describe who may have done these crimes. any info on this?

How can they get DNA? To my recollection, the killer left no kind of DNA at the crime scenes to be linked to anything. They could have traced the gun down, somehow, you can probably blame that on sloppy or slow police work.

How can they get DNA? To my recollection, the killer left no kind of DNA at the crime scenes to be linked to anything. They could have traced the gun down, somehow, you can probably blame that on sloppy or slow police work.

Unless he loaded his weapon w/ gloves on, there would DNA on the shell casings. Since they didn't specify that he had picked up his brass, and the weapon he used ejects its shell casings, there would be brass on the floor.

The weapon (even if it was stolen) would have been the key to tracking down the killer. The weapon he used was VERY rare and it was a poor seller. They should have been able to track all of the weapons manufactured to at least the gun dealers who bought them wholesale.

Here's a description of the weapon:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intratec_TEC-22
The fact that he chose this weapon shows that the killer knew little about weapons at the time of the killings, IMHO.

Unless he loaded his weapon w/ gloves on, there would DNA on the shell casings. Since they didn't specify that he had picked up his brass, and the weapon he used ejects its shell casings, there would be brass on the floor.

The weapon (even if it was stolen) would have been the key to tracking down the killer. The weapon he used was VERY rare and it was a poor seller. They should have been able to track all of the weapons manufactured to at least the gun dealers who bought them wholesale.

Here's a description of the weapon:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intratec_TEC-22
The fact that he chose this weapon shows that the killer knew little about weapons at the time of the killings, IMHO.
i still say that this guy can be caught!

any update in the past year?

any update in the past year?
i havent seen any, but like i said, it's likely the reason he hasnt been caught is he's either in jail or prison, he's dead, he's killing somewhere else with a different weapon or lastly, he's stopped killing. now what the answer is, i dont know.

who stops killing??

who stops killing??

BTK

aka Dennis Rader. He stopped in the middle of a multi-decade serial killing spree so he could continue life as a normal middle class family man.... so he said.

Several years ago, I was discussing serial killers with my husband (who has no interest in this stuff) when BTK's name came up. I actually remember telling hubby that BTK was either dead or in prison because there's no way that a serial killer just stops.

Not long after that conversation, the doofus was caught because his ego got out of control and he had to taunt the cops and be the center of attention. I sure am glad he's locked up. He had no specific preference in a victim. He murdered old ladies, children, men, families, the guy was a danger to everyone.

Anyone know of any other serial killers who abruptly stopped, yet weren't dead or incarcerated (or otherwise immobilized by disease or whatever)?

so you found ONE guy out of the millions of serial killers in history

i still say true killers don't stop

so you found ONE guy out of the millions of serial killers in history......i still say true killers don't stop
that's one guy true, but the way i feel is you cant profile these guys. not all serial killers keep killing till they die and we dont know what is going on in this guys mind. that was just ONE theory though, maybe he's dead??? maybe he's still killing, but is not using the same weapon or isnt killing like he used to. Maybe he's in prison??? or dead???

maybe he moved to another highway

so you found ONE guy out of the millions of serial killers in history...i still say true killers don't stop

Actually, plenty of others have. The most famous serial killer from my neck of the woods, the Amherst Bike Path Rapist (someone who was also featured on UM, of course), stopped killing for about 15 years, then started again and got caught on his second killing spree. The Cleveland Torso Murderer stopped for a significant time--even though UM theorized he went on to kill in California I seriously doubt that. The Unabomber stopped sending out bombs (I know he isn't technically a serial killer by FBI standards, but he certainly intended to kill many more than three victims). Jack the Ripper killed several women then stopped.

The problem with saying that "serial killers never stop" is that there are three, well, "career paths" for a serial killer.

1. They get caught--then they go to prison or get executed--or they die.
2. They keep killing.
3. They stop killing despite not getting caught.

So the only serial killers who willfully stop are the ones in group 3. But if you don't catch a serial killer, how do you know what they're up to after you find the last victim? Usually you're only going to figure it out if they start killing again like the Amherst Bike Path killer, or if you eventually catch up to them like the Unabomber or BTK. And some serial killers are just as concerned with self-preservation as other criminals. The Bike Path Rapist admitted that part of the reason he'd stopped was because someone else had been wrongfully convicted of the crime, so nobody was looking for him.

Either way, there are too many examples of serial killers stopping to make a blanket statement that "serial killers never stop killing."

Specifically about the I-70 case: I think a major reason he hasn't been caught is simply that the guy just looked too normal. Even the sketches of the suspect are incredibly dull-looking. Although in at least one case (the strip mall shooting during the middle of the day) the guy walked past dozens of potential witnesses, there was nothing in particular that stood out about him to cause those witnesses to remember him. He didn't walk with a limp, he didn't have visible scars, he didn't have a placeable accent, he didn't even seem to be all that nervous about shooting random people: he just walked into shops, fired on the people inside, and walked out. "A guy who could look like anybody, with brown hair and no distinguishing features" isn't much for cops to go on.

maybe he moved to another highway
another idea, yes, he could've moved to a new highway, but i would bet he's using a different gun or the police would realize something.
1. They get caught--then they go to prison or get executed--or they die.
2. They keep killing.
3. They stop killing despite not getting caught.

So the only serial killers who willfully stop are the ones in group 3. But if you don't catch a serial killer, how do you know what they're up to after you find the last victim? Either way, there are too many examples of serial killers stopping to make a blanket statement that "serial killers never stop killing."
true and you can through in a 4th, they get caught for another crime and go to prison and the police dont realize who they have, but agree you dont know what a guy is up to if you arent caught in the act or there arent any deaths that are very similar, but it's like i wrote, you cant just assume that all serial killers are the same, some do quit killing, now clearly, most dont, but some do quit.
Specifically about the I-70 case: I think a major reason he hasn't been caught is simply that the guy just looked too normal. there was nothing in particular that stood out about him to cause those witnesses to remember him. he didn't even seem to be all that nervous about shooting random people: he just walked into shops, fired on the people inside, and walked out.
true and that's another idea and that's why he's such a scary serial killer. walks in calmly like he's been there and done that and does his cruel killing, then walks out like nothing has happened. a guy like that shows signs of no remorse which is just scary. the police have really been following him by the similar killings which is why i say that if he is still killing (which we do not know), he may be using another weapon.

The weapon (even if it was stolen) would have been the key to tracking down the killer. The weapon he used was VERY rare and it was a poor seller. They should have been able to track all of the weapons manufactured to at least the gun dealers who bought them wholesale.

Completely baffles me as to why local law enforcements officials nor FBI attempted to track down the weapon.

Failed attempts may have taken place and simply not disclosed to the public.

Another possibility is the company that manufactured the pistol may have gone out of business, making it tougher for investigators to track the origins.

The Zodiac would be the biggest example in the United States of a serial killer that just stopped.

But I agree that the I-70 Killer was never caught because he was normal looking. Someone could have thought hey he looks just like Jim, and 12 other people I know.

The first killing happened when I was 2, and about 62 miles away from where I live. Robin Fuldauer, the first victim, was killed in a Payless shoe store in Indianapolis. The lone male victim, Michael McCown, was killed in a Terre Haute ceramic shop. That happened 88 miles from me. It's probably safe to say that the killer is an Indiana resident, or was at one point.

The first killing happened when I was 2, and about 62 miles away from where I live. Robin Fuldauer, the first victim, was killed in a Payless shoe store in Indianapolis. The lone male victim, Michael McCown, was killed in a Terre Haute ceramic shop. That happened 88 miles from me. It's probably safe to say that the killer is an Indiana resident, or was at one point.

Reggie Miller perhaps?

Maybe he got injured and could no longer kill? I agree, MOST serial killers don't stop.

Reggie Miller perhaps?

um...no, because the perpetrator is Caucasian, not African-American. :rolleyes:

reggie miller is as white as it gets personality wise :D

but when peoples have no idea who this guy is and is move around the country it make hard to id him. I had the idea he could be a traveling saleman because why he was well dressed.

There is a newer serial killer case going on in IN That was show on AMW WHere the killer has been targeting female hotel clarks.
they call him the Interstate 65 Serial Killer)

He wasn't caught because he didn't rob a bank. Law enforcement puts allot of effort into hunting the Bank robbers and murderers of people who are rich and famous, but they put little into hunting people who are not. The hunt consists of very few people and hours and then they are told to move on to the next case. If this scumbag had robbed a bank, they would hunt him indefinitely. The only way it can get solved, if it can get solved, is hire a private I to look into it, if one can be afforded.

He wasn't caught because he didn't rob a bank. Law enforcement puts allot of effort into hunting the Bank robbers and murderers of people who are rich and famous, but they put little into hunting people who are not. The hunt consists of very few people and hours and then they are told to move on to the next case. If this scumbag had robbed a bank, they would hunt him indefinitely. The only way it can get solved, if it can get solved, is hire a private I to look into it, if one can be afforded.Well, they never caught the perpetrators of the bowling alley massacre and that involved vicious murders and robbery. I think it's just possible that the killer is just smart enough to evade capture.

Yeah, I'm thinking an interstate string of execution-style murders received more than a little police attention for more than a few minutes.

He wasn't caught because he didn't rob a bank.
kinda agree and kinda don't. the police likely are and still are trying to find him, but it's hard because of numerous reasons including the fact that there's not many witnesses to him as he kills them and he doesn't seem to be easily recognized. someone above wrote that he could be a traveling salesman and that makes a bit of sense.

kinda agree and kinda don't. the police likely are and still are trying to find him, but it's hard because of numerous reasons including the fact that there's not many witnesses to him as he kills them and he doesn't seem to be easily recognized. someone above wrote that he could be a traveling salesman and that makes a bit of sense.

I wonder if they haven't looked in the right area. A self-employed person can travel anytime he wants to. If a person lives close to an interstates can cover large areas. Western Kansas puts a person centrally located. I don't think a person has to have a criminal record to be involved in this. Not everyone stays in motels and uses credit cards (even if they have one).

I wonder if they haven't looked in the right area. A self-employed person can travel anytime he wants to. If a person lives close to an interstates can cover large areas. Western Kansas puts a person centrally located. I don't think a person has to have a criminal record to be involved in this. Not everyone stays in motels and uses credit cards (even if they have one).
I don't know if they looked in the right area or not. all I know is that he seems to have disappeared from that last time he killed meaning either his style has changed and people don't realize it, he's dead or in jail or he (for some reason) stopped killing (at least for now). I cant answer if he has a criminal record and it's true he doesn't have to have one to be involved in this.

I always found it interesting that the general public (non-UM fans) don't know much about the I-70 killer, whereas many people are slightly familiar with other famously unsolved serial murder cases like the Zodiac Killer, Jack the Ripper, etc.

I'm sure there's many reasons for that, but anyway, here's why I think the case has yet to be solved:

-the method of killing people left little physical evidence AND allowed the killer to get away rather quickly and inconspicuously

-the killer likely looks like an "average guy," not arousing much suspicion walking around strip malls and such

-the killings happened before the trend of widespread surveillance

-the killings criss-crossed parts of the midwest, so maybe authorities didn't catch on quickly that it was a serial killer (I can't remember if the UM segment addressed this or not)

BTK

aka Dennis Rader. He stopped in the middle of a multi-decade serial killing spree so he could continue life as a normal middle class family man.... so he said.

Several years ago, I was discussing serial killers with my husband (who has no interest in this stuff) when BTK's name came up. I actually remember telling hubby that BTK was either dead or in prison because there's no way that a serial killer just stops.

Not long after that conversation, the doofus was caught because his ego got out of control and he had to taunt the cops and be the center of attention. I sure am glad he's locked up. He had no specific preference in a victim. He murdered old ladies, children, men, families, the guy was a danger to everyone.

Anyone know of any other serial killers who abruptly stopped, yet weren't dead or incarcerated (or otherwise immobilized by disease or whatever)?

Gary Ridgeway the green river killer stopped when he got into a relationship and the crack epidermic kicked in - this meant he could get lots of sex from his wife and the crack addicts who sold their bodies at a very cheap price to feed their addictions and therefore he stopped killing by the mid eighties around the time people speculated that the green river killer had left town.......

I always found it interesting that the general public (non-UM fans) don't know much about the I-70 killer, whereas many people are slightly familiar with other famously unsolved serial murder cases like the Zodiac Killer, Jack the Ripper, etc.

I'm sure there's many reasons for that, but anyway, here's why I think the case has yet to be solved:

-the method of killing people left little physical evidence AND allowed the killer to get away rather quickly and inconspicuously

-the killer likely looks like an "average guy," not arousing much suspicion walking around strip malls and such

-the killings happened before the trend of widespread surveillance

-the killings criss-crossed parts of the midwest, so maybe authorities didn't catch on quickly that it was a serial killer (I can't remember if the UM segment addressed this or not)

Another possible reason is that this guy didnt live near were the crimes were commited. Despite releasing a sketch in the areas were the crimes took place no one has identified this guy so its most likely he was from far away thus no one would match the sketch to whoever this criminal was

East Area Rapist and the Green River Killer stopped.

Being a serial killer must be very difficult imo. Even if the I-70 Killer, as an example, gives the appearance of being calm, adrenaline has to shoot through these people in an unbelievable way, like adrenaline shoots through those in intense combat zones. That causes the body to age very quickly, and they probably experience some degree of trauma. So the shelf life of a lot of serial killers can't be long, though there are of course some who go on as long as possible just as there are combat soldiers who don't stop until they get killed or are forced into retirement.

The LE conceit that "serial killers don't stop" is an illogical corollary that serial killing is the greatest evil out there.

Also, serial killers often look very normal. LE officials really are autistic in that sense. People either look suspect by fitting a profile, or they don't remember your face. It's why serial killers get away with their crimes so easily imo.

Completely baffles me as to why local law enforcements officials nor FBI attempted to track down the weapon.

Failed attempts may have taken place and simply not disclosed to the public.

Another possibility is the company that manufactured the pistol may have gone out of business, making it tougher for investigators to track the origins.

How can they? Political realities mean there are no records of guns, or gun databases, etc.. The government can't even get inventories from dealers.