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Brian Damage 06-08-2010, 09:27 AM June 8th, 1979 - The final episode of "Welcome Back, Kotter" aired on ABC.
"The Breadwinners"
While Horshack adjusts to married life, Freddy gets the job that Epstein was going to interview for, resulting in a fight.
catlover79 06-08-2010, 12:51 PM Yes, that's one show that sure ended with a whimper. I remember reading someplace that when WBK reruns aired on Nick At Nite years ago, and the fourth season episodes ran, the ratings took a HUGE nosedive. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Marvo301 06-08-2010, 04:50 PM Yes, that's one show that sure ended with a whimper. I remember reading someplace that when WBK reruns aired on Nick At Nite years ago, and the fourth season episodes ran, the ratings took a HUGE nosedive. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
In the 4th season Gabe Kaplan appeared in very few episodes because he was in disagreement with the producers and the network over the direction the show was taking. So that season was essentially Welcome Back Without Kotter. Unless of course you count Mrs. Kotter played by Marcia Strassman. Her character was made vice-principal at James Buchanan High School so that there could still be a Kotter in the story lines.
howilu 06-08-2010, 04:54 PM A ratings decline due to the absence of Kaplan and John Travolta also may have resulted in cancellation. Let's face it. The majority of the fourth season episodes weren't very good.
Marvo301 06-08-2010, 05:18 PM A ratings decline due to the absence of Kaplan and John Travolta also may have resulted in cancellation. Let's face it. The majority of the fourth season episodes weren't very good.
I agree the absence of both Travolta and Kaplan was the final nail in the coffin for this series.
Retro4Life 06-08-2010, 06:18 PM Honestly, it's another case of greed, wherein the network should have simply realized the show was no longer the show it was without Travolta and Kotter, and just packed it in.
No offense to any of the remaining cast but I think they'd admit they weren't really able to lead the show and their characters needed their lost comrades.
MickeyMac 06-08-2010, 07:53 PM An addition to having Kaplan and Travolta in so few parts, they changed writers during the last season. The writers they got just werent up to writing for a show like Kotter and they wrote bad scrips. According to what was shown on the E True Hollywood Story, one script was so bad Epstien burned it.
I have to admit I like this show but the last season sucked.
catlover79 06-08-2010, 09:45 PM I know that Gabe Kaplan's feud with EP James Komack was legendary. But I feel for JK because at the same time he was losing Kaplan and Travolta on WBK, he was dealing with the tragic loss of Freddie Prinze on his other hit show, Chico & The Man. I never saw the last season, but from what I heard, it was beyond godawful. :eek: :eek: :eek:
Marvo301 06-08-2010, 09:51 PM I know that Gabe Kaplan's feud with EP James Komack was legendary. But I feel for JK because at the same time he was losing Kaplan and Travolta on WBK, he was dealing with the tragic loss of Freddie Prinze on his other hit show, Chico & The Man. I never saw the last season, but from what I heard, it was beyond godawful. :eek: :eek: :eek:
Both shows attempted to carry on without their stars and both ended up limping quietly off the air near the bottom of the ratings.
catlover79 06-08-2010, 09:52 PM http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20072119,00.html
November 06, 1978 Vol. 10 No. 19
A Set Becomes a Set-to as Mrs. Kotter Takes on Gabe, and the Sweathogs Take Sides
By Robert Windeler
First, Marcia Strassman broke her wrist roller-skating with her buddy Cher Bono Allman and wound up in a cast up to her shoulder for two months. Then last March, on her birthday-gift motorcycle from Kate Jackson, Marcia took a header into Benedict Canyon, putting a gash in her lovely cheek that required 10 stitches and plastic surgery. But that's the good news. The bad news, as Strassman is telling the world, is that she still has to work on ABC's Welcome Back, Kotter with Gabe Kaplan.
"I'm miserable," moans Strassman, 30, of the relationship that she says has deteriorated almost from the minute she was cast as Kaplan's TV wife, Julie Kotter. "Gabe runs hot and cold, one day your best friend, the next day not speaking. Even blatant hostility would be easier to deal with," figures Marcia. "It has always been hard to act with him, especially in intimate scenes. I hate the series. I pray every day for a cancellation. If this is what success means," she sums up, "maybe I should get married and have babies." Of course, Strassman also blames her five-year Kotter contract (one and a half years remain) for delaying real success by forcing her to turn down two movie roles. As for marriage and babies, she claims the trauma on Kaplan's show destroyed her relationships with her two lovers during that time.
So, after quietly trying for 18 months to break her contract, Marcia took co-star Kaplan publicly apart at a press junket this summer. "When I came back to the set," Marcia remembers, "the other guys on the show stood in a circle around me to protect me from Gabe. We joked that I should be wearing a bulletproof vest. But the man never said a word. Not a word."
By then Kotter had become less a set than a civil war. The cast Softball team had long since hung up its gloves and, more significantly, the feud spread to the Sweathogs, who, willingly or not, are lining up in rival camps. John ("Barbarino") Travolta and Lawrence-Hilton ("Boom Boom") Jacobs remain pretty much above the battle. Still close to both, Travolta goes to movies occasionally with Gabe and dines weekly with Strassman; Jacobs continues to hang out with Kaplan but no longer meets Strassman after-hours. Robert ("Epstein") Hegyes is on the Kaplan side, but he's stopped seeing him socially (and is also less tight with Travolta these days). Marcia's main ally, Ron ("Horshack") Palillo, barely talks to Gabe and sees none of the others outside work. The one vestigial source of Kotter cast unity is that virtually nobody can stand executive producer James Komack.
What it adds up to is there may not be room in Kotter's high school for six centrifugal egos and careers. "This show is filled with people with high energy levels and capabilities," says Hegyes in a Sweathog metaphor, "but when we shovel coal on the creative fire, we sometimes end up shootin' on each other too." (If nothing else, Strassman's protest that her Kotter job has inhibited her career seems a little suspect considering that she just finished making NBC's forthcoming Brave New World movie. What's more, Jacobs and Hegyes have completed movies and are working on music deals, while Palillo has done legitimate stage work, and John What's-his-name hasn't exactly been shelved by his TV commitment.)
The man with the largest remaining stake in the series is the 32-year-old Kaplan. "Gabe created the show and his dream became a reality," says Jacobs. "Now he's like a little daddy, sitting back and watching his kids take over." "Kotter is not a show," Kaplan agrees. "It is my life. Kotter is the make-believe teacher I wanted to have in Brooklyn." An admitted workaholic, Kaplan has parlayed his TV success into lucrative Vegas, Tahoe and Atlantic City comedy gigs with a yearly gross of more than $1 million. He will star next February in his first movie, Fast Break. But his double-overtime life can make him brusque. Even his good friend Jacobs says he's "moody, and not an easy guy to know." Kaplan concedes, "When I'm working I'm not expressive or open. I can't do the Hollywood 'sweetie, baby' trip. I'm quiet and therefore not ego-satisfying for some people." He can only mean Strassman. "I think Marcia is a good serious actress and perfect for the role, but I was shocked that she had such hostility," says Gabe.
"Men can be temperamental on a show and they're only temperamental," fumes Strassman in response. "But if you're the only woman and you express your displeasure, you're a bitch. For three years my part consisted of saying, 'And what happened, honey?' to Gabe." Kaplan's answer is that he tried to beef up Strassman's part in story conferences "but I never told her. It would be unprofessional and I wouldn't want to play with her emotions like that." According to Palillo, who knows Strassman better than anyone: "Sometimes her honesty can smart, but she's often right. Some people think she's negative, but she's been hurt many times in her life."
It began in New York as the daughter of an auto parts wholesaler. She began auditioning for plays in her teens because "I hated school and would do anything to get out of it." Her natural singing ability won her the part of Liza Minnelli's replacement in Off Broadway's Best Foot Forward—at age 15. Right now she's got her first album in the works with Melissa Manchester's producer, no less. She has not been as lucky with men. "My downfall emotionally is musicians and songwriters," Strassman reflects, and has abruptly decided, "I'm meant to be married. The next time you hear I'm living with someone I'll be married to him." (That new impulse might have struck because she just helped confidante Kate Jackson mastermind her surprise marriage last September to Andrew Stevens.)
Unlike Strassman, who moves easily among L.A.'s glitterati, Kaplan is uncomfortable with showbiz folk. His best friends are lawyers and doctors, his dates non-Hollywood, such as Lee Walsh, the former Miss Florida who's been his woman for two and a half years (though their engagement is now off). His problem with Strassman may, in fact, be a matter of style. "I had the feeling Marcia thought of me as a square, compared to most of her friends," says Gabe. "But I always thought there was mutual respect. Obviously, I was wrong."
Kaplan has also lost out this year in a power struggle with producer Komack, who has fired the 15 to 20 Kaplan loyalists on the staff to bring in Carol Burnett's old producing-writing team. That has meant more one-liners and blackout sketches and less attempt to produce a more ambitious Blackboard Jungle-based sitcom. The lessening of Kaplan's influence (he's in only three of 12 episodes taped so far) pleases at least Palillo, who says, "Going to the studio last year gave me a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. But this year it is a joy."
Just this month ABC tried to stanch Kotter's hemorrhaging ratings by switching it to a more favorable time slot (8 p.m. ET, Saturday). "Oh, God," Marcia groaned when she heard. "The network is going to make us a hit again." Not if she can help it. Strassman can be expected to continue telling stories out of school about Kotter. "Nobody from the show came down on me yet," Marcia points out. "What could they say? Except the one thing I've always wanted to hear: 'You're fired.' "
TVFactFan 06-09-2010, 03:50 PM Season 4 was unwatchable due to the absence of Kotter and Vinny
Kind of like watching
the Jeffersons without George and Weezie
Three's Company without Jack and Janet
Happy Days without Fonzie and Richie
LOL
Mr. Television 06-09-2010, 07:17 PM I did catch the WBK True Hollywood Story a few years ago. They talked to Kaplan and Strassman and they did make up. They both pointed the finger at Komack for the deteriorating set. I guess it was easy since he's dead. I don't know what really happened but I do know that the last season is horrible.
Marvo301 06-09-2010, 07:29 PM 158911
It wasn't Beau's fault!
catlover79 06-09-2010, 09:24 PM Yes, Gabe and Marcia have long since mended fences. Here are some pics of them together - taken in 2006. (That's Ron Palillo aka Horshack in the last pic.)
catlover79 06-09-2010, 09:26 PM Both shows attempted to carry on without their stars and both ended up limping quietly off the air near the bottom of the ratings.
So sad - both shows started out great until death, drugs and feuds got in the way. ohno:
Retro4Life 06-09-2010, 09:30 PM Strassman looks incredible in those pics. I always thought she was one of the 70's most underrated TV beauties, and this helps to prove it. She's 62 years old now; hard to believe! :)
catlover79 06-09-2010, 09:42 PM I heard someone compare her with Jan Smithers of WKRP - they did have a similar look. :cool:
Retro4Life 06-09-2010, 09:45 PM ^ Yes! I always thought they were very similar in looks!
And Smithers is 61...wow, wow, wow. It's so hard to imagine these people you last saw in their 20s or 30s as being that age; you don't get the chance to see them age gradually. All my childhood crushes are grandmas! :eek:
Marvo301 06-10-2010, 02:13 AM I had crushes on Jan Smithers and Marcia Strassman too! And their both still beautiful!
catlover79 06-10-2010, 02:38 AM I grew up with Marcia Strassman as the mom in the Honey, I Shrunk the Kids movies. My mom said that was Mrs. Kotter and I said "who?" :lol: That was back in 1989, I'd never even heard of WBK at that point.
Marvo301 06-10-2010, 03:13 AM I grew up with Marcia Strassman as the mom in the Honey, I Shrunk the Kids movies. My mom said that was Mrs. Kotter and I said "who?" :lol: That was back in 1989, I'd never even heard of WBK at that point.
Suddenly I'm feeling very old!
catlover79 06-10-2010, 09:19 AM Suddenly I'm feeling very old!
:lol:
treky 06-11-2010, 03:24 AM Gabe Kaplan said on "THE E! TRUE HOLLYWOOD STORY" a few years ago that when Nick at Nite was rerunning WBK in the 90s it was getting good ratings, but then they started showing the 4th season ones and the ratings took a nosedive.
He also said that for that final season he suggested that the sweathogs could graduate and go to a junior college and Mr. Kotter would end up being their teacher again. That way they could go on for another 4 years and it'd be beleviable. But ABC didn't take his suggestion which is why he left.
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DJM77 10-01-2010, 08:52 PM I heard someone compare her with Jan Smithers of WKRP - they did have a similar look. :cool:
I remember this one time when I was watching Welcome Back, Kotter and my dad asked me if Mrs. Kotter was on WKRP In Cincinnati too. lol.
Dr. Thong 04-02-2011, 03:09 PM In the 4th season Gabe Kaplan appeared in very few episodes because he was in disagreement with the producers and the network over the direction the show was taking. So that season was essentially Welcome Back Without Kotter. Unless of course you count Mrs. Kotter played by Marcia Strassman. Her character was made vice-principal at James Buchanan High School so that there could still be a Kotter in the story lines.
It was Gabe Kotter who was promoted to vice-principal in season four. Which explained why he no longer was teaching.
Julie Kotter became a receptionist and occasional fill-in teacher at Buchanan High. She must have gone back to school and gotten a teaching certificate, because it was established in season one she had a degree in archaeology.
Mr. Television 04-02-2011, 03:19 PM I had crushes on Jan Smithers and Marcia Strassman too! And their both still beautiful!
I did too Marv. :lol:
Alan the TV nut 05-07-2011, 05:25 PM Season 4 was unwatchable due to the absence of Kotter and Vinny
Kind of like watching
the Jeffersons without George and Weezie
Three's Company without Jack and Janet
Happy Days without Fonzie and Richie
LOL
Or The Waltons without Johnboy, Grandpa, Grandma, Olivia, John Sr...
Actually, I think the Waltons WAS like that for it's last season.
catlover79 05-07-2011, 06:04 PM Or The Waltons without Johnboy, Grandpa, Grandma, Olivia, John Sr...
Actually, I think the Waltons WAS like that for it's last season.
Exactly!!!
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