Here are a list of shows that lasted WAY too long-1)"Matlock"-This NBC show,cancelled by NBC in 1992 ,and was picked up by ABC(big mistake),and should've ended after the first ABC season,which was okay,but all of the other ABC seasons were bad.2)"Get Smart"-This comedy classic of the 1960's when it was cancelled by NBC,in 1969,should have ended right then and there.Instead,CBS picked it up.and it wasn't funny anymore.3)"M*A*S*H*-Toward the end,it got kind of boring,and not as funny as before.Know of any more?Feel free to post.

Scrubs. It was a great show but they've kept it going long after its time.

HAPPY DAYS is the epitome of this category haha, those post Richie years get increasingly painful for a show that was so great in its heyday

a few others:
Bewitched - Elizabeth Montgomery looks beyond bored during the last year or two
Roseanne - need I say more
Rhoda - didn't last that long overall but lost its focus badly during the end

"LAVERNE & SHIRLEY"-should've ended after the Millwaukee years.
"MASH"-should've ended after the 8th or 9th season.

Law and Order-this went on way too long, and they had more than one, so how in the hell could anybody keep up??



Seinfeld


The Simpsons, and Saturday Night Live-these two shows should have been flushed down the toilet where they belong years ago.

7TH HEAVEN. . it was good unitl they got older then it became sopa oprara.

ROSEANNE

Beverly Hills, 90210

One Day At A Time, Alice and The Jeffersons.

Beverly Hills, 90210

Yep. The last couple seasons get so boring at times, they are almost unwatchable.

HAPPY DAYS is the epitome of this category haha, those post Richie years get increasingly painful for a show that was so great in its heyday

I can't even watch those shows anymore. They were barely toleable to begin with and they have not aged well. I mean, how many kids (Chachi) had denim jackets and a shag haircut in the early sixties. He would have been beaten up and branded a "hippie" back then.

And Fonzie was getting way too old to be trolling for teenage girls.

One Day At A Time, Alice and The Jeffersons.

Yeah, all those lasted about 3 seasons too long.

I'd like to add The X-Files, Dallas, Frasier, Seinfeld, Roseanne (at LEAST one year), definitely Happy Days and L & S, and probably many more I'm not thinking of right now. ;)

One Day At A Time, Alice and The Jeffersons.

When Ann Romano is married and happy, it's time to say good night.

Also,"My Three Sons"lasted too long,I(Steve should've never married again)s did "Good Times"(the times weren't so good at the end,after James was killed off and when Florida left it should've said so long.The ones with no parents-just the kids and Willona,and(ugh)Penny,were not very good.

HAPPY DAYS is the epitome of this category haha, those post Richie years get increasingly painful for a show that was so great in its heyday


Agreed. And they started dressing all wrong for the time period of the show. *rolls eyes*

Agreed. And they started dressing all wrong for the time period of the show. *rolls eyes*

Just because Joanie had an eighties perm in the early sixties, sheesh!! Lighten up!:lol:

friends, scrubs, will and grace, ER, x-files to name.

Hee Haw Buck and Roy drug that show out to the point that by the 80s it was more of a self parody than a variety show.
Married With Children went on five years longer than it should've
Cheers
Happy Days should have ended when Richie left high school
Family Guy they should have never brought it back
Welcome Back Kotter
The Cosby Show

ABC World News Tonight
All in the Family
Beverly Hills, 90210
CBS Evening News
Cheers
Countdown with Keith Olbermann
The Facts of Life
Family Guy
Friends
Jerry Springer
Judge Judy
Married ... with Children
The Mary Tyler Moore Show
Maury
Meet The Press
Murphy Brown
NBC Nightly News
Rules of Engagement
The Simpsons
60 Minutes
Three's Company
Two and a Half Men
Will and Grace
WWE Friday Night Smackdown!

"FRIENDS"-should have ended it when Monica & Chandler got married.

The Cosby Show - It should of been done by S6.

That '70s Show - 7 Seasons was great! Why did the producers reniged and added a dreaded 8th season, in spite of a very few good # of eps. than before?

Happy Days

Mork and Mindy

Gunsmoke

Bonanza

Law and Order

ER

Sesame Street - This show's long been past what it used to be! In addition, every season in the last 8 years or so have seen far less episodes made than before, which is somewhat understandable since the kiddies are in school but its appeal has worn off years ago.

American Idol

Hee Haw Buck and Roy drug that show out to the point that by the 80s it was more of a self parody than a variety show.
Married With Children went on five years longer than it should've
Cheers
Happy Days should have ended when Richie left high school
Family Guy they should have never brought it back
Welcome Back Kotter
The Cosby Showagree about hee haw it was one of my all time fave shows growing up but it went way too long and as you said by the end it was just a pale shaddow of what it had been

The Love Boat. It could be argued that that the Love Boat being on the air for any length of time was too long:D , but when Lauren Tewes and Fred Grandy left, the show wasn't the same.

Then they brought on Ted McGinley...need I say more?;)

Scrubs. It was a great show but they've kept it going long after its time.

I completely agree. The style of comedy can only last so long before getting old, especially if there's a Scrubs marathon on.

I think that the later seasons of most shows tend to be the better ones, so I like the post Richie episodes of Happy Days. I think the new Arnold's gave it a 60s feel and yeah some of the hairstyles and things weren't right for the time period, but I think that some of those episodes are great. Fonzie didn't date teenagers either. He was starting to date older women for example Ashley in Season 10. Sorry, I don't want to cause any problems, I just wanted to say my opinion.

Shows that I think went on too long that I agree with are:

Married With Children
The Simpsons
M*A*S*H
GUNSMOKE
Law and Order
What's Happening should not have lasted as long as it did. It wasn't that great of a show in my opinion.

Fonzie did date a woman his age -- Ashley -- but it only lasted one season.

The following year, it was business as usual.

ABC World News Tonight
All in the Family
Beverly Hills, 90210
CBS Evening News
Cheers
Countdown with Keith Olbermann
The Facts of Life
Family Guy
Friends
Jerry Springer
Judge Judy
Married ... with Children
The Mary Tyler Moore Show
Maury
Meet The Press
Murphy Brown
NBC Nightly News
Rules of Engagement
The Simpsons
60 Minutes
Three's Company
Two and a Half Men
Will and Grace
WWE Friday Night Smackdown!
ABC World News Tonight? :lol:

I think that the later seasons of most shows tend to be the better ones, so I like the post Richie episodes of Happy Days. I think the new Arnold's gave it a 60s feel and yeah some of the hairstyles and things weren't right for the time period, but I think that some of those episodes are great. Fonzie didn't date teenagers either. He was starting to date older women for example Ashley in Season 10. Sorry, I don't want to cause any problems, I just wanted to say my opinion.

Shows that I think went on too long that I agree with are:

Married With Children
The Simpsons
M*A*S*H
GUNSMOKE
Law and Order
What's Happening should not have lasted as long as it did. It wasn't that great of a show in my opinion.
Even though I like the Richie years better, I think the last few years of HD was good. It never got as bad as Laverne and Shirley or even Mork and Mindy.

ABC World News Tonight? :lol:

Like its counterparts on CBS and NBC, it slants what it considers news toward the left and whatever's left of Obama's bandwagon. We need reporters who offer a break from that such as Michael Savage, Neal Boortz, and Alex Jones.

Like its counterparts on CBS and NBC, it slants what it considers news toward the left and whatever's left of Obama's bandwagon. We need reporters who offer a break from that such as Michael Savage, Neal Boortz, and Alex Jones.

Yes, because Michael Savage is so very objective in his coverage of current events.

I think that the later seasons of most shows tend to be the better ones, so I like the post Richie episodes of Happy Days. I think the new Arnold's gave it a 60s feel and yeah some of the hairstyles and things weren't right for the time period, but I think that some of those episodes are great. Fonzie didn't date teenagers either. He was starting to date older women for example Ashley in Season 10. Sorry, I don't want to cause any problems, I just wanted to say my opinion.

Shows that I think went on too long that I agree with are:

Married With Children
The Simpsons
M*A*S*H
GUNSMOKE
Law and Order
What's Happening should not have lasted as long as it did. It wasn't that great of a show in my opinion.

I'm with you. I do like the post Richie episodes. My faves are the first two seasons that featured Joanie and Chachi and even like the third post Richie season.

As far as What's Happening goes, I do like all the season though although season 3 had much of a different feel to it.

Fraiser for sure. That was the show that just kept on going, long after people grew tired of it.

Add me to the list of people who actually enjoy 'Happy Days' episodes after season 7. Bringing in new characters such as Roger, Jenny, Flip, K.C., Ashley & Heather made the show interesting.

ER most definitely, once Anthony Edwards left the show wasn't the same

Unhappily Ever After - S4 should've been the end. It was bad enough how they originally had Jennie, the mother killed off and presented in ghost mode towards the end of S4. But it was worse when they resurrected her and have her moving in with another woman. S5 should've never have been made.

megamanj, you want to know another shou who had a season which shouldn't have been made? it's the nbC and ABC comedy Scrubs. It should have concluded after Season 8, there shouldn't have been a 9.

And a show that has lasted WAY too long as the #1 show in the Nielsen Ratings is American Idol. During the 2009-10 season, I had wanted a program other than AI to become the #1 show in the ratings. next season, it's viewership will have to be cut down so it'll earn a lower place in the ratings. I have started a thread about its streak here:
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=267437

megamanj, you want to know another shou who had a season which shouldn't have been made? it's the nbC and ABC comedy Scrubs. It should have concluded after Season 8, there shouldn't have been a 9.

And a show that has lasted WAY too long as the #1 show in the Nielsen Ratings is American Idol. During the 2009-10 season, I had wanted a program other than AI to become the #1 show in the ratings. next season, it's viewership will have to be cut down so it'll earn a lower place in the ratings. I have started a thread about its streak here:
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=267437


Yes and a big fat YES!

I never once understood how AI gets THIS MUCH high ratings and yet this season was just poorer than piss.

I thought AI's goose was def. cooked when Paula left and now that Simon's gone maybe those ratings will finally die down! MERCIFULLY!!!

I thought Friends and ER lasted too long but at least they had good acting and writing till the end. But 7th Heaven really didn't deserve to last 11 seasons. That show was never great to begin with. Also what really pissed me off was that it had a series finale on the WB and then that idiot Dawn Ostroff decided to put it on the CW.

I thought Friends and ER lasted too long but at least they had good acting and writing till the end. But 7th Heaven really didn't deserve to last 11 seasons. That show was never great to begin with. Also what really pissed me off was that it had a series finale on the WB and then that idiot Dawn Ostroff decided to put it on the CW.


What pisses me off is that 7th Heaven ran for 11 season and Savannah got cancelled after two seasons, even though to start off with Savannah was a bigger hit. when they debuted on the same night in 1996, "Savannah" was the #1 rated program on the WB network; but a timeslot change and lack of support from the network got the show cancelled after two seasons whereas stupid 7th heaven kept going and going.

What pisses me off is that 7th Heaven ran for 11 season and Savannah got cancelled after two seasons, even though to start off with Savannah was a bigger hit. when they debuted on the same night in 1996, "Savannah" was the #1 rated program on the WB network; but a timeslot change and lack of support from the network got the show cancelled after two seasons whereas stupid 7th heaven kept going and going.

My sister and mom were Savannah fans and I remember they were mad when it got canned. I didn't watch too much but it was clearly better than 7th Heaven. I thought 7th Heaven was the worst family type show ever. The characters were too preachy and some of dialogue in episodes were very cringeworthy.

My sister and mom were Savannah fans and I remember they were mad when it got canned. I didn't watch too much but it was clearly better than 7th Heaven. I thought 7th Heaven was the worst family type show ever. The characters were too preachy and some of dialogue in episodes were very cringeworthy.

I watched 7th Heaven for the first two seasons and then i grew tired of it, it got so preachy and boring and i stopped watching.

I found out that American Idol had been Nielsen ratings champion for the seventh straight year, which means, THE STREAK STILL HADN'T ENDED! What if every SitcomsOnline member had been persuaded not to watch American Idol?

TV would be a better place...?:D

7TH HEAVEN. . it was good unitl they got older then it became sopa oprara.

Totally agree with that. And when it was going to end, they did a series finale as it was going to end..

Then a few months later it came back? :confused: What? :eek:

How about Full House? Do you think it lasted too long?

How about Full House? Do you think it lasted too long?
I think Full House lasted just the right amount of time. We basically saw all of the girls grow into a good age that the show could end. I think with DJ ending the show as a senior, it stopped at the perfect moment. The ratings were pretty much stable throughout the entire run, despite being moved from the TGIF Comedy Block to Tuesday nights. I don't think Full House last too long at all.

How about Full House? Do you think it lasted too long?

I think Full House should have ended after the 4th Season, I think it started to go down hill when the twins joined the cast.

The simpsons should have ended when Phil Hartman died. it just isn't the same I use to watch the simpsons religiously but I haven't been able to handle an episode since season 9? 10 maybe its just horrible horrible horrible.

and yes american idol is horrible and has been horrible

I found out that American Idol had been Nielsen ratings champion for the seventh straight year, which means, THE STREAK STILL HADN'T ENDED! What if every SitcomsOnline member had been persuaded not to watch American Idol?
Whats with all the complaining about American Idol? Sure the show sucks, but complaining isn't going to get it cancelled. :rolleyes:

Whats with all the complaining about American Idol? Sure the show sucks, but complaining isn't going to get it cancelled. :rolleyes:

I just want that show's #1 in the nielsen ratings streak to end, that's all. Why is it that American Idol is able to hold on to the #1 spot for that many years? We finally have one show who has made the #1 spot totally meaningless, and that is AI. I want a different show to take that spot next season. American idol needs to be boycotted.

I just want that show's #1 in the nielsen ratings streak to end, that's all. Why is it that American Idol is able to hold on to the #1 spot for that many years? We finally have one show who has made the #1 spot totally meaningless, and that is AI. I want a different show to take that spot next season. American idol needs to be boycotted.
It's the number one series because Americans love to watch it. Yes, the show is complete crap, but you can't argue with its success. No matter what, viewers love this show.

Two And a Half Men should've only lasted three years the best.

House M.D. - It should have ended at Season 5 but kept getting renewed, newer episodes focus too much on character relationships and less on House actually solving medical mysteries.

C.S.I. - It hasn't been the same since most of the original cast left. Should have ended after Grissom left.

The Simpsons - Should have ended in 1999 or so when it was past its peak.

It's the number one series because Americans love to watch it. Yes, the show is complete crap, but you can't argue with its success. No matter what, viewers love this show.

So, Americans love to watch Dancing with the Stars and NCIS. I'm gonna argue, all right, the streak caused too much damage and needs to end next season. It 's #1 Nielsen ratings streak has taken up the entire second half of the 2000s decade. AI can't let another program be #1 in the Nielsen ratings for just one season. I want to see a ratings decline and its steak has to end sooner or later. I hate American Idol, and that's why I have barred anyone competing in or working for the show from my dinner theater club.

So, Americans love to watch Dancing with the Stars and NCIS. I'm gonna argue, all right, the streak caused too much damage and needs to end next season. It 's #1 Nielsen ratings streak has taken up the entire second half of the 2000s decade. AI can't let another program be #1 in the Nielsen ratings for just one season. I want to see a ratings decline and its steak has to end sooner or later. I hate American Idol, and that's why I have barred anyone competing in or working for the show from my dinner theater club.
Americans likes to watch crap anymore. I've given up on them.

Whats with all the complaining about American Idol? Sure the show sucks, but complaining isn't going to get it cancelled. :rolleyes:

Maybe not, but it sure is FUN! ;)

Maybe not, but it sure is FUN! ;)
:lol:

I don't care how "fun" it is, their streak just needs to end. AITF and The Cosby Show's streaks have ended at five seasons.

Saturday Night Live and The Simpsons

Why does anyone feel that Saturday Night Live lasted too long?

The last two seasons of The Simpsons have actually had a creative renewal. I was surprised at how I was really getting into some of the episodes again.

Kate and Allie should have ended in season 5 with Bob and Allie getting married. The last season was a little brutal to watch.

Bewitched should have ended when Dick York left the show.

All in the family should have ended when Mike and Gloria left.

Happy Days should have ended with Richie and Ralph what use was Potsie when those guys were gone seriously.L@O SVU has gone on way to long.

The last two seasons of The Simpsons have actually had a creative renewal. I was surprised at how I was really getting into some of the episodes again.

:yeahthat

Happy Days should have ended with Richie and Ralph what use was Potsie when those guys were gone seriously.L@O SVU has gone on way to long.

At the risk of repetitive redundancy, the last four years of Happy Days were not Happy Days.

Sometimes you have to end something, but the networks want shows that pull in ratings, actors want their jobs and the result are shows that just go on past their expiration date.

Like Two And A Half Men will be this fall.

Happy Days - after the Richie years
Laverne & Shirley - after Shirley left
Bossum Buddies - after they no longer had to dress in drag
Facts of Life - after they graduated
Perfect Strangers - in general

I just wrote an editorial about shows going too long for the sake of syndication if any of you wanna check it out! I hope it's okay posting this!

I entitled it Shows of a Certain Age: When Monetary Outcome Kills a Beloved Series (http://ryanschwartz.posterous.com/shows-of-a-certain-age-when-monetary-outcome)!

Fonzie did date a woman his age -- Ashley -- but it only lasted one season.

The following year, it was business as usual.

I loved Happy Days. The later seasons were fine.

I was hoping they would have ended the show with him marrying Ashley. Never understood why they just dropped them as a couple.

Dallas certainly went on too long as well as Smallville. I loved Laura Vandervoort as Supergirl though.

Laverne and Shirley should not have left where hey came from.

What's Happening was good until they got rid of Mrs. Thomas, Roger and Dee's mom.

Carl Reiner once said in an interview that a good sitcom has five years in it, and then it is all downhill. I think this applies to ALL sitcoms.

MARRIED WITH CHILDREN: done after five years.
HAPPY DAYS: dead without Richie
THE JEFFERSONS: should have ended after seven seasons
ALL IN THE FAMILY: died when Mike and Gloria moved next door and Carroll O'Connor decided to make it less topical.
THE CAROL BURNETT SHOW: when Harvey Korman left, which is why Carol ended it the next year.
THE SIMPSONS: Come on.....22 years....let's get real.
CHEERS: when Shelly Long got booted
HERE'S LUCY: been buying the DVDs but this show but should not have happened period.
M*A*S*H* : when Wayne Rogers and McLean Stevenson left.
FRIENDS: senseless from day one.
THE BEVERLY HILLBILLIES: when it went to color.
ONE DAY AT A TIME: NINE YEARS? Maybe just nine episodes.....
THREE'S COMPANY: when Suzanne Sommers left.
ROSEANNE: NEVER!
EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND: maybe everyone except me
THE FACTS OF LIFE: the girls should have bowed when Mrs. Garrett did.
THE ANDY GRIFFITH SHOW: should have ended when Don Knotts left.
MAYBERRY R.F.D.: B-O-R-I-N-G

Actually, there is such a thing as producing too many. Some long-running shows like Gunsmoke (which produced over 600 episodes in 20 years of syndication) has less than half of that available in syndication. If some shows produces in excess of 200 episodes, not all are always available in syndication because stations want to be able to air episodes more often to make money. The minimum is 100, and ideally, no more than 180. The more often an episodes is aired, then stations start making profit.

I DIDNT like it after topange ask cory to marry him they should haveended it ther not saying it went tdown hill . it did have some funney epsidoes they should have eneded it sooner

Happy Days started going downhill during the 4th season even with Richie and Ralph.it was just not as good plus Scott Baio ruined the show.after Richie and Ralph left they should have renamed the show because it became a totally different show.

after Richie and Ralph left they should have renamed the show because it became a totally different show.

I have to respectfully disagree because of the continuing work of Marion Ross, Tom Bosley, Henry Winkler, Anson Williams, Erin Moran, and Al Molinaro -- all of whom except Al had been with the series since Season 1.

The Bachelor/The Bachelorette---apart from Trista and Ryan, none of the people on this show have found love with their picks. ABC no doubt keeps it on because of the campy drama and the endless stories the tabloids can milk from it, but clearly, if you've only had one really successful love match, isn't it time to put this show out of its misery?

Survivor---when they keep bringing back former contestants and having to resort to create stupid twists to keep the show fresh, it's time to give it the heave-ho. I keep joking they need to do a season where they're thrown onto the streets of South Central L.A., because nobody would probably be left. ;)

American Idol---way past its prime, despite the ratings. Compared to The Voice---which allows more seasoned, older singers who don't look like they came straight from a Britney Spears video to compete---this show looks like a joke, with its restrictive age rules and eventual cookie cutter lineup of finalists.

SNL---The show has some inspired moments but it's just not that funny anymore. The hosts, which used to be chosen because they were known for their edgy comedy, are now pop culture flavors of the moment or there to promote an upcoming project (aside from Betty White since she's a TV legend). They should take a cue from MAD TV and quietly end.

The Jersey Shore---self explanatory! :lol:

The only reason MAD TV quietly ended was because it's time was up. The ratings weren't there after fourteen years and there was talk when Fox canceled it about bringing it to maybe Comedy Central or another network, but it never came to pass.

I do agree with Carl Reiner that most sitcoms (and even dramas) have five good seasons in them.

I think some shows these days go on too long.

Two And A Half Men is going to make a major shark jump in September with the addition of Mr. Demi Moore. It's been on for eight years, the show was created for Charlie Sheen, just let it go off into syndication heaven.

But the show has ratings and generates $$$ for CBS, the actors and producers want to keep their job, so the show will go on and most likely tank creatively. The show has good writers, but Ashton Kutcher cannot act and his persona gets annoying quickly.

^ I think that arguably, the MTMS and Barney Miller were strong for all the years (7 and 8, respectively) of their runs. I'd also argue that MASH was strong for 11 seasons, and AITF was great for eight years. Other than that, though, I'd agree. The sitcom that retains it's high quality after more than five seasons is REALLY rare.

All In The Family-when Mike & Gloria left and they brought that girl on the show,there was no point of watching it
All That-main characters kept leaving and they kept adding new people that weren't even that great
Beverly Hills 90210-see above
Chuck-should've stopped at once Chuck got the intersect out of his head
Drew Carey Show-they should've had Drew & Kate get married and stop it especially when Christa Miller(Kate)was planning on leaving the show
Happy Days-it stopped being great once Richie left
Laverne & Shirley-what was the point of having it on after Shirley left.why call the show Laverne & Shirley when there's no Shirley anymore?
One Tree Hill-they could've stopped it at season 4 when they graduated,but they kept going.they could've stopped it at season 6 when Peyton had the baby and she & Lucas got married but kept going.they could've ended it last year when Brooke had kids,yet they keep going.a tv show should stop once it has a good season finale
Simpsons-it's been on since I was born
That 70s Show-they could've ended it having Eric & Donna get married and yet they kept going and didn't have that great of a last season since Eric & Kelso left

I thought about something here:

Do you think that most sitcoms that take place at school lose their edge the most of any sitcom?

IMO, it seems like if a school sitcom starts at the end of junior high and goes throughout high school, 1) it either ends on a sour note or B) the show continues into college and the show loses quality.

Law & Order

American Idol

Survivor

Big Brother

Dancing with the Stars

The Simpsons

CSI

America's Funniest Home Videos

The Cosby Show

Roseanne

Family Matters

and also, I'll add another one to the list:

Saved By the Bell

The New Class is what killed the series, especially the God Awful 1st Season of the run and that's b/c Screech was on The College Years

and the show could've died after Rachel left

Melrose Place for sure. The last two seasons were pretty terrible. It should have ended when the original cast started leaving. I feel that the exits of Grant Show and Courtney Thorne Smith singled the end of this show. The last year in particular was painful to watch. Rena Sofer was a terrible addition to the show and by this time too many new cast had come and gone, leaving fans uninterested and ratings falling.

I love Roseanne but it's last season was awful. It should've ended a year or two earlier. I like Frasier and Cheers but they both ran for 11 years. In my opinion, a sitcom should not last for more than 8 or 9 years.

How about the Degrassi "franchise"? I found out a few years ago that it started as "The Kids of Degrassi Street" (1979?!?), and went up (or down) from there.

I have to say South Park as well.after this season is done,they should call it quits because the show hasn't been the same since Chef left the show

The Facts of Life, went on way too long. It was ridiculous and unrealistic for the the 4 girls to keep following Mrs. Garrett whereever she went. She left Eastland and opened up Edna's Edibles, and the girls somehow ended up living above the store. The the store burned, and the girls followed Edna whereever she went next; then Blair and Jo graduated, yet they still continued to live with Mrs. G.; and then Mrs. G left the series and her sister just conveniently moved in. And the four girls just kept living together! The show should have ended after 4 years, 5 max!

How about the Degrassi "franchise"? I found out a few years ago that it started as "The Kids of Degrassi Street" (1979?!?), and went up (or down) from there.

This I can agree with being a big fan of the series.

I never watched "Kids of Degrassi Street" but Degrassi Junior High/High was really good and ran the perfect amount of time.

Degrassi: The New Generation (2001- still running) is fabulous but should have ended with season 7. By continuing the series with a new cast they've butchered all the original characters and they are focusing way too much on who's dating who. Seasons 1-7 were about the issues and couples were formed within those episodes with a few exceptions. Couples didn't get their own plots. Now couples are getting their own plots left and right and most of them don't even last half a season!

This I can agree with being a big fan of the series.

I never watched "Kids of Degrassi Street" but Degrassi Junior High/High was really good and ran the perfect amount of time.

Degrassi: The New Generation (2001- still running) is fabulous but should have ended with season 7. By continuing the series with a new cast they've butchered all the original characters and they are focusing way too much on who's dating who. Seasons 1-7 were about the issues and couples were formed within those episodes with a few exceptions. Couples didn't get their own plots. Now couples are getting their own plots left and right and most of them don't even last half a season!
And now I'm finding out that it went from being (probably) a nice little show about kids, to a bunch of morons going around saying "f-in" and s---".

This I can agree with being a big fan of the series.

I never watched "Kids of Degrassi Street" but Degrassi Junior High/High was really good and ran the perfect amount of time.

Degrassi: The New Generation (2001- still running) is fabulous but should have ended with season 7. By continuing the series with a new cast they've butchered all the original characters and they are focusing way too much on who's dating who. Seasons 1-7 were about the issues and couples were formed within those episodes with a few exceptions. Couples didn't get their own plots. Now couples are getting their own plots left and right and most of them don't even last half a season!
You are correct that it did start to go downhill in season seven. Season eight had alot of new characters and got rid of most of the originals. But it found a new lease on life starting in season ten. The plots are really well thought out and are done in a weekly format, airing 4 eps each week, for the first half of the season. Season 11 did the same.

And now I'm finding out that it went from being (probably) a nice little show about kids, to a bunch of morons going around saying "f-in" and s---".
I disagree, while the show focused on younger kids originally, it still has its good storylines and values. None of the characters swear, its on teen nick, not HBO. The Kids of Degrassi Street were pretty much specials that aired once or twice a year from 1979- 1984. Then it started airing more frequently in 1985-86. It had a total of 26 episodes though. Degrassi Junior High lasted three seasons from 1987-1989 and focused on seventh and eighth graders originally. Degrassi High was a continuation, lasting another two seasons from 1990-1992. Degrassi: The Next Generation started in 2001 and is still on. It's main focus was the daughter of one of the cast members in the original series who got pregnant at 14. There were also a few other originals in the cast. Since season ten, they renamed it to just Degrassi because the only original character from season 1 left is the now principal (who has been on the show since Degrassi Junior High) and the daughter born during the original series left.

You want to know what show lasted way too long? Any (animated) show that follows a floating timeline. My grandson Jim often complains about those situations that he's not allowed to watch any animated programmes anymore. That was to the point where he wished that the animation domination programs on FOX should never have even been created. A few years ago, he kept watching the program "South Park" and has thought about shifting its timeline (and the lifetimes of the show's staff) 24 to 25 years into the past. Glad he hasn't done that to the FOX animated programs.

Because of this, I don't think "The Simpsons" is going to make it past the middle of the 2010s decade.

In reply to the 7th Heaven comment, I don't think so!! I understand that it was better when it was young and it did take a dramatic turn but I think they were finally getting back on track when it got cancelled and I think they deserved to keep going.

A few days ago, I discovered that "The Simpsons" has lasted longer than "Gunsmoke". Nothing else I have to add to that, buddies.

and yes american idol is horrible and has been horrible

Well, it be no Hee Haw...:rolleyes:

I hate American Idol, and that's why I have barred anyone competing in or working for the show from my dinner theater club.

And I'm sure they are crying all the way to the bank! :p

I loved Happy Days. The later seasons were fine.

I was hoping they would have ended the show with him marrying Ashley. Never understood why they just dropped them as a couple.



That whole season was just a bad dream for Potsie after eating one too many Arnold Burgers! :D

I thought about something here:


IMO, it seems like if a school sitcom starts at the end of junior high and goes throughout high school, 1) it either ends on a sour note or B) the show continues into college and the show loses quality.

You're talking about Degrassi right? ;)

How about the Degrassi "franchise"? I found out a few years ago that it started as "The Kids of Degrassi Street" (1979?!?), and went up (or down) from there.


Yes as a series of after school specials on CBC, but it's not considered cannon. It was required viewing in Canada.

And I also think that any long-running animated series that uses a floating timeline is going to make all live action series look like absolute bums.

Another show that lasted WAY too long was "Petticoat Junction".When Bea Benaderet (Kate)died in 1968,CBS should have cancelled the series. Althouigh June Lockhart tried hard,it wasn't the same.

You're talking about Degrassi right? ;)

Not just Degrassi, but seemingly the majority of shows that take place at school.

MASH went on far, far too long. When Gary Burghoff decided to leave the series, they should have wrapped it up. Like Happy Days, these were 1950's characters who were sporting 1970's-1980's hair (BJ's huge 70's mustache, Loreeta Swit's layered hair).

I was never much of a fan of Happy Days, even though I like Ronnie Howard and Henry Winkler a lot. For one thing, the action only happened in the Cunningham home and at Arnold's (or Al's) Drive In. Everything happened at Arnold's/Al's Drive in. It got ridiculous after the series became successful. Next thing was the fact that the so called "high schoolers" were in their 20's (Ron Howard was 20, and they kept him as a high schooler for about two/three more years.). Then the show became the Fonzie Show. Jumping the Shark and all that.

Three's Company. I've had this arguement before, but all three of the roommates became successful, but still living in that dinky apartment where the girls had to share a room. The lost blonde chick was a registered nurse and Janet was a manager of a plant store. Jack was the co-owner of a successful restaurant. I know living in Santa Barbara has always been expensive, but please.

I have been thinking about this, and I wonder if all long-running primetime TV series have to be terrible.

I have been thinking about this, and I wonder if all long-running primetime TV series have to be terrible.

One long-running show that I can think of, Cheers, imo didn't over stay its run. Maybe the successful change-over between Shelley Long and Kirstie Alley, and the addition of Woody Harrelson after the passing of Nick Colastano, kept this show fresh. Also, that the rest of the cast stayed intact (not TOO many cast changes) helped also, as compared to M.A.S.H which only had Alan Alda and Loretta Swit left from its original primary cast, when it ended its run. Both Cheers and M.A.S.H. ran 11 seasons.

I have been thinking about this, and I wonder if all long-running primetime TV series have to be terrible.
I hear NCIS is still very good, but I've never watched.

"Monk" ran too long. The plots got thinner and thinner, then the big solution to the great mystery seemed like a tacked on afterthought and the writers never knew the solution until they were forced to make one.

I've read this entire thread and I agree with most of it. I do think Happy Days overstayed there welcome. The premise was Richie and his friends in high school. Once Richie left and he was in college, what else was there to do? I still say that Fonzie got overexposed when Richie left. Fonzie had a mystique about him in the beginning, kind of a mystery but not after a few couple of seasons.

The Simpsons will always be a favorite of mine. Has it lost its luster from the hey days? Yes. If you compare the seasons now compared to the past, the past will win out. I do think that its funnier than a lot of other shows that overstayed there welcome.

I can put Family Matters and Growing Pains in this group. I still never understood after years of reaction all of a sudden Laura had feelings for Urkel. Growing Pains did nothing for me towards the end when Kirk Cameron got way too preachy and the show obviously went downhill. Btw, Luke added nothing to the show.

Chances are, if a long-running scripted series does not have any ongoing episode-to-episode storylines, it will not get a proper wrap-up series finale episode.

Several of the long-running animated floating timeline series (like The Simpsons) have little or no episode-to-episode storylines.

When many of the shows that acquired a kid (niece, nephew, step-child, grand-child, birth of a child, or children taken in because their parents died in a run-away horse and buggy accident :lol:), that was a sign that it was time for the show to end its run.

In the case of The Brady Bunch, however, their "acquired kid" jinxed the show from having a sixth season!

Long-running scripted TV series are useless.

NO. Unscripted TV Shows are useless. :angryfire People know this and are leaving both Broadcast and Pay-TV. :wave:

L.A Law,Murder She Wrote,Cagney and Lacey,Dallas,Dynasty,Falcon Crest..

Friends and Seinfeld without a doubt!

TV Shows last a long time if they are popular. Case in point, Lassie. Like it or not this TV show ran from 1954-1955 to 1973-1974, and went through four owners (Jeff, Timmy, The Rangers and the Ranchers), living to the ripe old age of 133 (In "Doggy Years"). :lol:

NO. Unscripted TV Shows are useless. :angryfire People know this and are leaving both Broadcast and Pay-TV. :wave:

Yes, I'm afraid long-running scripted TV series can be just as useless as unscripted ones. if a long-running scripted TV series is "useless", then it would be one of the following:

* A long-running scripted TV series that lacks ongoing episode-to-episode storylines will not get a series-closing finale episode.
* An animated TV show with a "sliding timescale" and hardly any (or possibly no) ongoing episode-to-episode storylines are not willing to go out on top and finish strong and want/insist on a long run for the sake of a long run. (see The Simpsons, South Park)
* A scripted TV show goes into syndication after 4 seasons or 96 episodes and, soon after, ratings decline for the original episodes to the point of said show being cancelled. (see The Mentalist (which hasn't been cancelled yet))
* Shows with several post-script seasons (like Supernatural)

Mash
All In The Family
Two And A Half Men
Friends
Everybody Loves Raymond

Here's another one for The Simpsons...this show has overstayed its welcome, it should've ended at the 15th season when many of the older people who watched the show saw the quality deteriorate. But nooooo...Al Jean just lets the show go on until season 30, maybe even longer!

If Matt Groening had his say...The Simpsons would either be cancelled or cancelled and plans on a new version.

I also feel that Spongebob has overstayed his welcome.

Also...any trash talk show and reality show has overstayed their welcome on television!

"FRIENDS"-should have ended it when Monica & Chandler got married.

I agree.

MASH: It should've ended at the end of the fourth season.
Friends: When Chandler and Monica got married, then do a half-season after that.
Happy Days: When Richie and Ralph graduated from college and joined the army.

All In The Family: Probably should have ended after 4 years, definitely after 5. The main reason was the lack of tight direction after the first 4 years. The hamming-it-up, mugging and endless close-ups ruined the show. Someone needed to rein in Carroll O'Conner's tendency to overact.

Bewitched: Should have ended after Dick York left. There was zero chemistry between Montgomery and Sargent.

Andy Griffith Show: I don't think anybody liked the show after Don Knotts
left. Andy's constant grumpiness, unappealing replacement characters (Warren, Emmitt) and ridiculous plots (Aunt Bee learns to fly a plane, etc) made the show a shell of its former self.

Two and A Half Men: Face it, love him or hate him...Charlie Sheen WAS the show.

On the other hand, I think (with a few lapses), Frasier and Everybody Loves Raymond maintained their quality from beginning to end.

South Park - This isn't a great show to begin with and should call it quits already
All In The Family - This show is great , but we could've done without season 9
Family Matters - I still watch this show but the last season wasn't that great
The Simpsons- I love the show but I think its time to call it quits.

I think Full House lasted just the right amount of time. We basically saw all of the girls grow into a good age that the show could end. I think with DJ ending the show as a senior, it stopped at the perfect moment. The ratings were pretty much stable throughout the entire run, despite being moved from the TGIF Comedy Block to Tuesday nights. I don't think Full House last too long at all.

I agree with you right there, @ least the show had SOLID Ratings ever since they brought in Lori Loughlin and that's when the ratings got good

So, Americans love to watch Dancing with the Stars and NCIS. I'm gonna argue, all right, the streak caused too much damage and needs to end next season. It 's #1 Nielsen ratings streak has taken up the entire second half of the 2000s decade. AI can't let another program be #1 in the Nielsen ratings for just one season. I want to see a ratings decline and its steak has to end sooner or later. I hate American Idol, and that's why I have barred anyone competing in or working for the show from my dinner theater club.

Amen, I agree with you right there, also, AI FINALLY came to an end when NBC Sunday Night Football (the season where Peyton Manning was out for a season with a career ending neck injury and Little Brother Eli won his 2nd Super Bowl against rival Tom Brady) took over the #1 spot and that's when it started the beginning of the end of the series, plus, I can't STAND Ryan Seacrest, especially since he took over New Year's Rockin' Eve

I don't care how "fun" it is, their streak just needs to end. AITF and The Cosby Show's streaks have ended at five seasons.

That's right, All in the Family came to an end @ the #1 spot thanks to Happy Days Season 4 and The Cosby Show came to an end thanks to Season 9 of Cheers

Everybody Loves Raymond should have ended after 8 seasons

Two and A Half Men should have ended when Sheen went rogue, after 8 seasons

Bewitched should not have had an 8th season--several recycled scripts, plus the studio fire.

One long-running show that I can think of, Cheers, imo didn't over stay its run. Maybe the successful change-over between Shelley Long and Kirstie Alley, and the addition of Woody Harrelson after the passing of Nick Colastano, kept this show fresh. Also, that the rest of the cast stayed intact (not TOO many cast changes) helped also, as compared to M.A.S.H which only had Alan Alda and Loretta Swit left from its original primary cast, when it ended its run. Both Cheers and M.A.S.H. ran 11 seasons.

Another show I can think of that went out at the right time was Mr. Belvedere. In the case of that show, the producers recognized that it wasn't worth the risk of trying to be the longest running sitcom and were just artists who wanted to make great art.

NCIS
The Young and the Restless
ER
Law & Order
The Maury Povich Show
Idiotest
Dancing with the Stars
Criminal Minds
Hawaii Five O(2010 remake)
Married with Children
Saved by the Bell: The New Class
Bonanza
Survivor
NYPD Blue
Mad TV
Two and a Half Men
The Fairly Oddparents
CSI: Miami
Cheaters

Right now I think The Big Bang Theory needs badly to end. One of the most terrible sitcoms PERIOD. Why not just cancel it and get it over with?

And I think Duck Dynasty lasted too long. And I think 11 seasons over 5 years is a bit of a stretch. :rolleyes: I don't know how they were allowed to get away with calling it 11 SEASONS. Shouldn't it be 1 season/year instead of 1/month like Duck Dynasty did? Duck Dynasty was a terrible show anyway and I never saw the point in watching it.

And I think Duck Dynasty lasted too long. And I think 11 seasons over 5 years is a bit of a stretch. :rolleyes: I don't know how they were allowed to get away with calling it 11 SEASONS. Shouldn't it be 1 season/year instead of 1/month like Duck Dynasty did? Duck Dynasty was a terrible show anyway and I never saw the point in watching it.
Well Nickelodeon's Every Witch Way has 4 seasons, and yet it aired 2014-2015, about two years. It's different structure of how seasons stretched out

^ I think that arguably, the MTMS and Barney Miller were strong for all the years (7 and 8, respectively) of their runs. I'd also argue that MASH was strong for 11 seasons, and AITF was great for eight years. Other than that, though, I'd agree. The sitcom that retains it's high quality after more than five seasons is REALLY rare.
Those other shows were good up to the end, like MTS, Barney Miller & The Bob Newhart Show (NOT Newhart), but MASH really sucked air its last seasons.

While there were some funny eps, trite scripts ruled the day.
Klinger's camera (Snap Judgement), for example. Can you believe they made it a 2-PART EPISODE?

Those other shows were good up to the end, like MTS, Barney Miller & The Bob Newhart Show (NOT Newhart), but MASH really sucked air its last seasons.

While there were some funny eps, trite scripts ruled the day.
Klinger's camera (Snap Judgement), for example. Can you believe they made it a 2-PART EPISODE?
o, that 2-paet "SNAP JUDGMENT"/"SNAPPIER JUDGMENT" was :barf: puke:

American Idol is coming back so thats more people to be banned apparently.

o, that 2-paet "SNAP JUDGMENT"/"SNAPPIER JUDGMENT" was :barf: puke:

I liked the storyline, but it was not a two part episode, in my opinion.

Right now I think The Big Bang Theory needs badly to end. One of the most terrible sitcoms PERIOD. Why not just cancel it and get it over with?


Unfortunately, this pulls in way too many viewers to be cancelled. There's no accounting...

i know one is 7th heaven i never liked it after the kids grown up!!

I kind of liked Newhart, but it probably should have called it quits sooner...maybe after 6 or 7 seasons. The scripts just got crazier and crazier (but we still would need Suzanne Pleshette in the final episode!)

America's Funniest Home Videos.
South Park
The Simpsons
M*A*S*H
Happy Days

America's Funniest Home Videos.


That AFV I'd say has gone on much too long-- I think it has because the very same unfunny video ("Sedated and Elated," one that, IMO, had nothing funny in it whatsoever) not only won $100,000, but later, four Disney trips! What was it about that one that the voters decided merited not only $100K, but those four trips?

SNL time to end it already

SNL time to end it already

SNL should've ended a long time ago, but as long as it delivers ratings, they will keep it on. I couldn't have imagined back in the early 80s that SNL would go on this long.

And it actually was cancelled (or was going to be) in 1986, but got a stay of execution.

Credit its longevity to the lack of real competition on late night Saturday.

As much as I liked The Love Boat, I would say that it should have been cancelled after Fred Grandy and Lauren Tewes left. However, adding the Love Boat mermaids was truly the final straw for me. HATED them.
The addition of Ted McGinley and the mermaids should never have happened. :mad:

i know one is 7th heaven i never liked it after the kids grown up!!

Me either. The one show I enjoyed watching the kids grow up was actually the Brady Bunch. I don't know why...

as much as I love Family Matters, the reason I put the list of shows that lasted long is mainly b/c after Season 7, the show died when Waldo left the show, not to mention, they should've ended the series when Urkel, Laura, Waldo, Maxine and Myra all graduated High School

The last 2 seasons w/o Waldo was a disaster

Urkel got more annoying, Carl and Urkel and the constant feuds, Eddie's character has gotten worse, Laura deciding on who she wants to marry between Steve Urkel and his alter ego Stefan Urquelle and the final nail in the coffin was when the show moved to CBS, half-way through the season, replacing JoMarie Payton with Judyann Elder as Harriette was the last straw

Not to mention, the last 2 seasons suffered ratings as Sabrina: The Teenage Witch became the most watched show on TGIF and even when Family Matters moved to CBS and competed against Sabrina, the ratings went down from #50 to #108

I'm gonna add Family Guy to this list...

Season 15 was dismal! Too many Peter Griffin episodes and not enough Meg, Stewie, or Brian episodes.

I won't be watching season 16!

How about a series from the UK? Taggart, a Scottish detective drama.

For the first ten years of its run, Taggart had a title character (Jim Taggart, a Detective Chief Inspector, played by Mark McManus). Mark McManus died on June 6, 1994, in the middle of filming an episode, and his character was given an on-air funeral in early 1995. Strangely, Taggart would continue for another 15 years—without its title character—until 2010. The series would go through two other Detective Chief Inspectors after McManus's death: Michael Jardine (James MacPherson, 1995-2002) and Matt Burke (Alex Norton, 2002-2010).

It is really strange for a series to continue its original run without its title character or its title star.

How about a series from the UK? Taggart, a Scottish detective drama.

For the first ten years of its run, Taggart had a title character (Jim Taggart, a Detective Chief Inspector, played by Mark McManus). Mark McManus died on June 6, 1994, in the middle of filming an episode, and his character was given an on-air funeral in early 1995. Strangely, Taggart would continue for another 15 years—without its title character—until 2010. The series would go through two other Detective Chief Inspectors after McManus's death: Michael Jardine (James MacPherson, 1995-2002) and Matt Burke (Alex Norton, 2002-2010).

It is really strange for a series to continue its original run without its title character or its title star.

It is indeed; but Blake's 7 continued for two full seasons without its eponymous star, or the actor who played him, Gareth Thomas (though he did appear in a cameo in Season 3 and in the series finale).

It is really strange for a series to continue its original run without its title character or its title star.

That's not the only one-- Laverne & Shirley had that final go (1982-83) without the Shirley of the title (Cindy Williams); only Penny Marshall was there.

Home Improvement - I've been watching reruns on Hallmark Channel and the show got really bad once the boys hit puberty. The final two seasons were awful. I enjoyed the show up until about Season 5. The last 3 seasons sucked especially the final season.

Home Improvement - I've been watching reruns on Hallmark Channel and the show got really bad once the boys hit puberty. The final two seasons were awful. I enjoyed the show up until about Season 5. The last 3 seasons sucked especially the final season.

When Johnathan Taylor Thomas left...that was a big mistake!

I consider him the McLean Stevenson of the 90's...his stardom went up, he leaves a show, and now is faded into obscurity!

it would help if you told us who JTT is...I'm sure I'm not the only one who's wondering.

it would help if you told us who JTT is...I'm sure I'm not the only one who's wondering.

Jonathan Taylor Thomas

When Johnathan Taylor Thomas left...that was a big mistake!

I consider him the McLean Stevenson of the 90's...his stardom went up, he leaves a show, and now is faded into obscurity!There's a difference. Jonathan Taylor Thomas was on his show for 4 more seasons and there was only 1 without him. M*A*S*H still went on for 8 seasons without McLean Stevenson, he missed close to 75% of the episodes. And their reasons for leaving were different. McLean Stevenson went on to other shows that were flops while JTT wanted to further his education with a college degree.

Unfortunately, this pulls in way too many viewers to be cancelled. There's no accounting...

What viewers? Either they're streaming online or buying the DVDs. The Big Bang Theory is painful to watch because it's horrible.

American Idol is coming back so thats more people to be banned apparently.

:lol: I think they have more to worry about than being banned in some no-name dinner theater :lol:

A discussion I started which was based on a five-year-old post by Dr. Thong on the The Rural Purge of 1969-1972 (https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=305528) thread is being re-directed to this thread thanks to Sal.

I stated that if a show just keeps getting renewed past its expiration date just for the sake of being renewed, despite its declining quality or non-watchability, and having already run its course and forced to repeat storylines, then it's going to risk holding back younger shows on its network. The reason is because everything on that network is competing against each other for airtime.

The discussion ended abruptly after I brought up the animated series on FOX younger than The Simpsons getting buried instead of those same animated series becoming effective successors to The Simpsons, and Sal saying they "sucked and deserved to be buried/held back", and I tried to convince him otherwise. Sal tried to incite a fight by stating that the discussion of shows being held-back was off-topic, and I hate when the discussions I start are stifled like this, and I don't need it. Hence, the reason why I had to redirect this disussion to another thread in order to continue more effectively.

Hee Haw really started going downhill around 1979 but it should of ended around 1980 when they ditched the rural theme and went urban cowboy.

The Simpsons: It should have never left the 90s and it should have aged up the characters. Recyling stories, characters have devolve and became carictures.

Family Guy: Seth has a massive ego and voices 99% of the show.

Saturday Night Live: Time to go. It's not funny anymore. I haven't watch it in 35 years. Time for a replacement

Saturday Night Live: Time to go. It's not funny anymore. I haven't watch it in 35 years. Time for a replacement

If you haven't watched it in 35 years then how do you know that it's not funny anymore?

The Simpsons: It should have never left the 90s and it should have aged up the characters. Recyling stories, characters have devolve and became carictures.

Family Guy: Seth has a massive ego and voices 99% of the show.

Saturday Night Live: Time to go. It's not funny anymore. I haven't watch it in 35 years. Time for a replacement

The Simpsons are definitely a product of the 90's. Unlike Seinfeld and Mystery Science Theater 3000, they should knew decade's end was the right time end it on a high note. The modern Simpsons abomination is just another sad victim of PC culture.

Ditto for SNL! It was all downhill after "the more cowbell" skit" in 2000.

This could be a category for Celebrity Jeopardy(SNL).

Sean Connery: I'll take your mother and "Shows that have stayed on for far to long" for $100 Alex.

If you haven't watched it in 35 years then how do you know that it's not funny anymore?

I saw the most recent clips on youtube. Even those aren't funny.

Hee Haw really started going downhill around 1979 but it should of ended around 1980 when they ditched the rural theme and went urban cowboy.

A show like Hee Haw, which was based around a form of popular music, has to change with the times like the music it's based on.

If it didn't, it may well have gotten cancelled around 1980.

Two and a Half Men went on wayyyy too long. I thought the show started slipping before, the final Sheen season was meh but Charlie Sheen was star of the show and with him no longer on the show was a shark jump for me. I'm watching the Ashton Kutcher episodes and it feels like a completely different show. No Charlie, Jake is away at military school, different house setting, Alan's character becomes pathetic, Kutcher is just playing Kelso again. I lost interest after Charlie was killed off the show.

A show like Hee Haw, which was based around a form of popular music, has to change with the times like the music it's based on.

If it didn't, it may well have gotten cancelled around 1980.

Maybe it should've ended in 1980 the moving from the barnyard to a honytonk bar setting and getting rid of popular segments such as picking and grinning although some skits that involved Archie Campbell who had just passed away they were justified in scrapping the other changes just took out the charm and fun that the show had.

Night Court

Home Improvement

Last Man Standing

Frasier

Cheers

How I Met Your Mother

The Big Bang Theory

Two and a Half Men

The Middle

The Goldbergs

Modern Family

NCIS

The Office

7th Heaven

MASH

Family Matters

NCIS

That too

Married With Children. It should of shut down after Season 6 when it became “The Jefferson & Marcy & Kelly & Bud Show.” The show was damn unwatchable after Season 6. And NO MA’AM didn’t help either and made the show even WORSE.

Law and Order SVU

Law and Order SVU

The original Law & Order as well.

The original Law & Order as well.

That one should have gone off after Jerry Orbach left.

That one should have gone off after Jerry Orbach left.

I agree with you about that. Once he left the show, it’s when it should have ended.

MASH-it should have been cancelled when Radar left, every other week 99% of the time it was "...oh, we're doctors and we're nurses...and we save lives which makes us so good...and war is hell...and death is such a bummer..." and on and on and on... And Margarets reaction to every trade was to say "Dear god!".

I hated Fontana. Also, Greene was better with Briscoe. When he was with other partners, he was unlikeable. The final pair Lupus and Anthony Anderson were the best since the earlier days. But this show should have left after Briscoe left.

Family Matters lasting 9 seasons was perfect. How many African American shows can say that they lasted for 9 years??

I can say two current sbows.

The Goldberg's and Grey's Anatomy. The former they should have cancelled this past season or the season before. With Pops and Murray gone it is not the same. The show went downhill after Adam F. Goldberg left.

NCIS and the Simpsons

NCIS and the Simpsons

I was a huge Simpsons fan, especially during the mid-90s, when the show was at its creative peak, but I haven't watched in about four or five years.

It wasn't that it became bad or anything, but it just ran its course for me, I guess.

And I stopped watching NCIS when the character of Ziva was written out. I was surprised to learn Mark Harmon recently left -- I thought he'd stay until the end.

Local News. People can find news on there phones. We no longer need onair news at 4AM, 5AM, 6AM ( 7AM Weekends)/ 12pm 4pm 5pm 6pm 7pm 10pm 11pm. (Late News if preempt earlier).

MTV The Challenge.


WWE Monday Night Raw
WWE Friday Night Smackdown!


The current line up’s of nick@niTe and TVLAND.

SNL time to end it already

I think SNL is perpetual. What else are they going to put in that timeslot on Saturday night at 10:30-11:30 PM? I think maybe Lorne Michaels should retire and turn it over to other people. Second City in Chicago and the Groundlings in LA is basically a feeder system for SNL, but SNL wants to be political and have lame skits. This is on Lorne and the tired writers.

The show can have another Renassiance like in the 1990's if Lorne would retire (and he has to be at least in his 70's) and bring in some fresh writing. Sure, do a political sketch and basically dump the "news" segment and go from there. Even now, people do watch the show and/or do like me and watch part of it online.

Maybe they do already, but SNL should work with Second City and the Groundlings for feeder talent. Another thing about SNL is that it pays very low compared to other aspects of television work. SNL is a meat grinder with people who want to be famous and "break out". I blame the writers and Lorne. Lorne sucks and he always has.

Lorne said he'd retire at the 50th anniversary. Bet you he gives it to Tina Fey to run.

And the salary there isn't bad; I think Rachel Dratch said it was like a professor's.

I'm with Yong Fang, SNL will go on. One of the very few constants from one of the major networks, aside from their weekday morning shows & evening news shows -- and those are not comparable when we consider creative content. Haven't the SNL primetime specials done well in the ratings in the past? That's a very good sign of a viable entity.

Local News. People can find news on there phones. We no longer need onair news at 4AM, 5AM, 6AM ( 7AM Weekends)/ 12pm 4pm 5pm 6pm 7pm 10pm 11pm. (Late News if preempt earlier).

MTV The Challenge.


WWE Monday Night Raw
WWE Friday Night Smackdown!


The current line up’s of nick@niTe and TVLAND.

Also other Viacom network's off network current schedule

Different Strokes ran two seasons too long. Starting going downhill in Season 6. Willis and Kimberly were grown up, Arnold wasn't cute anymore, the plots started getting stupid and worst of all the introduction Sam and Maggie (two jump sharkers cousin oliver syndrome and marriage). The following two seasons were unwatchable. Dana Plato was fired because of her pregnancy, Willis became a background character, Sam became the focus and was super annoying and not cute, Gary Coleman looks pissed off and miserable, the writers started recycling plots from earlier episodes.

The Original HUNTER

Season 6 should've been the last season as McCall got married and Stepfanie Kramer left the show

when the show returned for Season 7, it wasn't the same, no McCall, the theme song changed to a more house of blues type theme and most of all, the show left its traditional Saturday Night Time Slot

Bob's Burgers

Family Guy and South Park.

Night Court and The Big Bang Theory, both of which I loved...early on in their runs

M*A*S*H - it stopped being a sitcom after Larry Linville's character was written off. David Ogden Stiers, Mike Farrell, and Harry Morgan were fine performers all, but didn't have the comic talents of the people they replaced.

Night Court and The Big Bang Theory, both of which I loved...early on in their runs

M*A*S*H - it stopped being a sitcom after Larry Linville's character was written off. David Ogden Stiers, Mike Farrell, and Harry Morgan were fine performers all, but didn't have the comic talents of the people they replaced.

in my opinion, M*A*S*H was never really a sitcom. It may have had some sitcom elements, particularly in the early years, but it was a mix of comedy and drama.

When Harry Morgan and Mike Farrell came on board, the transition to a more dramatic type of show began. Adding David Ogden Stiers as the stuffy Winchester after Larry Linville's departure at the end of season 5 was a natural evolution.

in my opinion, M*A*S*H was never really a sitcom. It may have had some sitcom elements, particularly in the early years, but it was a mix of comedy and drama.

When Harry Morgan and Mike Farrell came on board, the transition to a more dramatic type of show began. Adding David Ogden Stiers as the stuffy Winchester after Larry Linville's departure at the end of season 5 was a natural evolution.

IMO, most sitcoms have elements of drama in them (making the funny parts seem funnier) and most dramas have element of comedy in them (otherwise, they seem too dour). Some dramas are lighter than most (see: The Love Boat; not officially a sitcom, but no one would ever mistake it for Hill St. Blues), and some sitcoms are heavier than others (see: M*A*S*H, early on).

IMO, most sitcoms have elements of drama in them (making the funny parts seem funnier) and most dramas have element of comedy in them (otherwise, they seem too dour).

Some dramas are lighter than most (see: The Love Boat; not officially a sitcom, but no one would ever mistake it for Hill St. Blues), and some sitcoms are heavier than others (see: M*A*S*H, early on).
Good observation.
Like on Perry Mason, a courtroom-legal drama, where the ending scene was always lighter than the earlier serious drama.

Even Adam 12, a cop drama, would have lighter moments where one of the partner cops would say something funny to his partner.

Lou Grant, that great newspaper drama, would have lighter moments. Donovan's character, for example, would insert some levity with a pun. And, like Adam 12, would be a few lighter moments on the show, which was drama.

Same with Hill Street Blues. A cop drama, for sure, but some funny moments amongst Renko, Larue and even Capt. Furillo or even the shift commander who once made a point to tell everyone he never "cold-cocked that woman..."

Modern Family lasted a season or two too long

The Office (US version). Robert California was funny but pretty much everything after Michael left was a big let down

The Waltons - When Richard Thomas left and Will Greer passed away the show started going downhill. After Thomas left, you could see that other kids on the show were bad actors. The show went to hell during Season 8 when they re-casted John Boy with a new actor, Michael Learned left the show, and Cousin Rose showed up with those two annoying brats Jefferey and Serena.

The Goldbergs is a modern example that I can immediately think of. The show as it is, already had a built-in expiration date given that its premise centered extensively on '80s nostalgia. It looks asinine to go on well beyond 10 years, which is of course, the length of a decade.

As it was, the show to a lot of people, really started to go downhill (https://www.reddit.com/r/TheGoldbergs/comments/w1lymb/when_did_the_show_start_changing_for_you/) in quality when Adam F. Goldberg stepped down as the showrunner around the seventh season. Thus, we were now left without stories that were based and inspired by events in his childhood that actually happened. And then you couple that with the death of George Segal after Season 8 and the nasty departure of Jeff Garlin during Season 9 and you're left with a show that really became a shell of its former self.

Modern Family lasted a season or two too long

The Office (US version). Robert California was funny but pretty much everything after Michael left was a big let down
Though there are some funny moments, the show really lost a lot of its luster, much like the last 3-4 seasons of MASH.

I don't think it's mostly due to Steve Carel leaving, though that clearly had an effect. While he was the "star," or the focus of the show, the show wasn't named for him nor solely about him. It wasn't like Dick Van Dyke leaving his show or Andy Griffith doing the same, and the shows continued (without the named star)

The writing seemed to decline considerably, like MASH.

The remaining players, while good, just didn't seem up to it, again, like MASH.

Good observation.
And, like Adam 12, would be a few lighter moments on the show, which was drama.


So was Emergency!, the funnier parts being generally back at the fire station (Station 51), although the hospital (Rampart) did have a few funny scenes from time to time, IIRC.

Night Court and The Big Bang Theory, both of which I loved...early on in their runs

M*A*S*H - it stopped being a sitcom after Larry Linville's character was written off. David Ogden Stiers, Mike Farrell, and Harry Morgan were fine performers all, but didn't have the comic talents of the people they replaced.

If Wayne Rogers, Mclean Stevenson and Larry Linville had stayed on for 11 years, this show would have aged poorly. As talented as they were, I don't think they would have handled the deeper dramatic episodes like their replacements. In one episode, Winchester went off base to treat wounded. He held hands with a dying soldier and tried to comfort him until that soldier died. Frank wouldn't have done that. I agreed that Stiers, Farrell and Morgan didn't have the comic talents but they were fine actors.

Though there are some funny moments, the show really lost a lot of its luster, much like the last 3-4 seasons of MASH.

I don't think it's mostly due to Steve Carel leaving, though that clearly had an effect. While he was the "star," or the focus of the show, the show wasn't named for him nor solely about him. It wasn't like Dick Van Dyke leaving his show or Andy Griffith doing the same, and the shows continued (without the named star)

The writing seemed to decline considerably, like MASH.

The remaining players, while good, just didn't seem up to it, again, like MASH.Dick Van Dyke's sitcom did NOT continue without him at all.. Mayberry RFD was a spin-off. When Andy Griffith left, The Andy Griffith Show and what was syndicated of it ended. I am no fan of The Office, but the consensus there seems to be it got worse after Steve Carell left.

Night Court and The Big Bang Theory, both of which I loved...early on in their runs

M*A*S*H - it stopped being a sitcom after Larry Linville's character was written off. David Ogden Stiers, Mike Farrell, and Harry Morgan were fine performers all, but didn't have the comic talents of the people they replaced.

If Wayne Rogers, Mclean Stevenson and Larry Linville had stayed on for 11 years, this show would have aged poorly. As talented as they were, I don't think they would have handled the deeper dramatic episodes like their replacements. In one episode, Winchester went off base to treat wounded. He held hands with a dying soldier and tried to comfort him until that soldier died. Frank wouldn't have done that. I agreed that Stiers, Farrell and Morgan didn't have the comic talents but they were fine actors.