The story of a young woman who went on a cruise with her brother and parents in 1998 and disappeared in the early morning.

Her dad claims to remember her sleeping on the couch in the middle of the night but by 6am she was gone and seemed like she pretty much vanished off the face of the earth from the ship.

There was the theory that she either jumped or fell into the water. Doubtful. She was deathly afraid of the water and wouldn't even go close to the edge of the ship. Plus her body likely would have washed up. The most likely scenario is her being kidnapped by a crew member and then maybe taken to a part in the Caribbean used as a sex slave. I believe this is a strong possibility.

The actions of the one crew member were suspicious as well. He was the last person to have been seen with her and he apparently offered his condolences to Amy's brother at a premature time in the early time frame that she was missing.

Any thoughts?

I for one believe that Amy fell off the into the ocean by accident. It's almost scary how easy it is to fall off a cruise liner. She wouldn;t necessarily even need to be that drunk for her to take a dive off the railing.

That doesn't mean that I completely rule out the possibility that foul play was involved.

If foul play were involved I lean more toward an attempted rape that resulted in her body being thrown overboard.

I for one believe that Amy fell off the into the ocean by accident. It's almost scary how easy it is to fall off a cruise liner. She wouldn;t necessarily even need to be that drunk for her to take a dive off the railing.

That doesn't mean that I completely rule out the possibility that foul play was involved.

If foul play were involved I lean more toward an attempted rape that resulted in her body being thrown overboard.

I agree. My wife and I took a cruise on Carnival Cruise Lines in October 2005. The price you pay for the cruise includes food, which Carnival has a 24-7 buffet. We decided to get a late dinner around 9pm and sit on a table by the deck so that we could eat by the water. Bad idea. Our silverware fell off and our plates almost did as well just due to the crashing of the waves. It jolted me enough that we decided to eat inside before anything else happened. Its not all that unlikely that she fell off the balcony.

Watch the movie "Taken" that's what happened to Amy

Watch the movie "Taken" that's what happened to Amy

I think all we have to point to that theory is an alleged photo of her.

I think all we have to point to that theory is an alleged photo of her.

Do tell. I do not know that part of the story. If you have the picture, post it.

Also, while the theory of her accidentally falling overboard has its merits I often wonder why her body didn't get washed up by now. I know the sea is deadly, but there is a strong possibility that her body would show up if she drowned

Also, while the theory of her accidentally falling overboard has its merits I often wonder why her body didn't get washed up by now. I know the sea is deadly, but there is a strong possibility that her body would show up if she drowned

1. Sharks and other fauna may have eaten the body.
2. The nature of ocean water and topography is so unique and volatile, there are numerous reasons why a body may not surface
3. It;s possible that her body was found and nobody has recognized here...because the body washed up miles away in a whole different country.

Do tell. I do not know that part of the story. If you have the picture, post it.

I hope I'm not losing it, but I believe there was a very popular photo that is allegedly supposed to be Amy Bradley as an exotic dancer in the Middle East(or somewhere).

Do a google search or check unsolved.com.

off topic for a minute but the unsolved.com website is true to the glorious past at least.

I hope I'm not losing it, but I believe there was a very popular photo that is allegedly supposed to be Amy Bradley as an exotic dancer in the Middle East(or somewhere).

Do a google search or check unsolved.com.

You're not losing it. There is a picture of a girl that someone found on a website advertising "exotic fun". Her family thinks its her. It definitely resembles her but I have no clue if its actually her. It can also be found on amybradley.net.

I for one believe that Amy fell off the into the ocean by accident. It's almost scary how easy it is to fall off a cruise liner. She wouldn't necessarily even need to be that drunk for her to take a dive off the railing.

Hey all,

I'm more inclined to believe that she accidently fell of the boat too (Occam's Razor)

However,

apparently, the boat was close to shore (I can't find any info on exact distances, though) and Amy was a trained lifeguard and a strong swimmer.

But who can say if she didn't hit her head and was knocked unconscious and then accidently fell into the ocean? A shark got her?
Or someone hit her and rendered her unconscious (going with the attempted rate angle)? Perhaps she dozed off and fell overboard?

There's not a heck of a lot of info on the ship band's Bass Player, "Yellow", either (the guy who was stylin' her up all the time she was on the boat).

There's been sightings of her on two seperate occasions - one where the witnesses described her tattoos. However, on both occasions, the people that spoke with her at the time didn't realize she was a missing person and didn't come forward until later on


Now after checking out the "escort photos" - the pics certainly look a lot like Amy-but it's really hard to determine for sure. I'm mean, I'm in no way an expert but there are people who, by coincidence, eerily seem to have near identical features to others, while not even being related to them. Not often, but there are the rare occurrences someone will come across a person who could almost pass for a twin (I'm saying this 'cause it happened to me in grade school with another kid- we could almost pass as twin brothers - it was really annoying)

Anyway, I'm just wondering if there's any way to get verification on these photos in order to exclude them as actual proof. As the guy who originally found these photos pointed out, the tattoos (may be) "strategically covered."

Her hair covering her left shoulder blade and her right ankle is not visible in either pic, - one pic of her is a side view and the other is a three quarter shot of her in a reclining position with her legs up - so unfortunately, there's no way to see her belly or her lower back


If you'd like to see for yourself, check out the very popular online Encyclopedia site - (yes, the one that starts with a "W") for Amy Bradley's entry and the link that reads: "Photographs of woman suspected to be Amy Bradley, as shown on Dr. Phil" is the one ya wanna click on

The photos are somewhat explicit so fair warning

Again, my gut feeling is she accidently fell into the ocean but I mean, I could be totally wrong. If she did though, then there's pretty much zero chance of finding any remains

But if those photos really are Amy and there's a good chance she's still alive, then hopefully someday soon she can be reunited with her family and friends

Anyway, I'm just wondering if there's any way to get verification on these photos in order to exclude them as actual proof. As the guy who originally found these photos pointed out, the tattoos (may be) "strategically covered."

The only definitive proof would be to find the girl in the photo. If she;s found and turns out to be someone else, then the photo is a false lead.

I for one believe the many people who believe the falling into the ocean theory.

It's so easy to fall off of a boat...

I for one believe the many people who believe the falling into the ocean theory.

It's so easy to fall off of a boat...

That being said...there is no body.

Wasn't Amy drinking at the club that night? I just thought it adds another element why someone who was capable of being a good swimmer may have been impaired. I too believe she fell off the boat and drowned.

Yeah, good point Apostapler.

I mean, let's say hypothetically, Amy's been drinking, it's late, she's tired -
She goes out on the deck for a smoke, sits down on the balcony, (perhaps) dozes off - a few strong waves hit and she accidently slips off - she's in the ocean and gone

BTW - what do you guys think about the photos from the brothel website?

It looks like her, it really does... but unfortunately it still doesn't really prove anything

until someone can verify exactly who it is in the pics - arrgh so damn maddening

I truly feel for her family and/ or anyone who has a missing friend or loved one

It should be pointed out that if Amy is alive, her departure might have been voluntary.

Her life in the brothel may even be voluntary.

Oh god, just looked at those pictures.

Not for sure if it's her, but definitely looks like her.

Big question is, if it is her, why hasn't she tried to escape? Besides the fact she might be held against her will, it has been 15+ years, she could have had a chance somewhere.

Big question is, if it is her, why hasn't she tried to escape? Besides the fact she might be held against her will, it has been 15+ years, she could have had a chance somewhere.

Easier said than done.

1. you might want to look into the "Natashas", the russian slave prostitutes. There are some very good books and documentaries on the black market slave trade. The methods used to turn these women into prostitutes can be brutal and psychologically damaging.

2. The phenomenon of "Plato's cave" is something to consider. At some point life as a prostitute becomes so familiar and comfortable that any other life would be too traumatic.

3. Feelings of shame could also factor into this. Staying as a prostitute may be a form of "metaphorical suicide" for Amy.

Hello all, this is my first post but I have lurked forever....

I am an avid reader of missing person cases, but Amy Bradley is the one that I'm the most frusturated by, and the one that I've read about/googled the most - anything I can get my hands on.

I've never been on a cruise - how high are the railings? Is it really that possible for someone to slip/fall off?

It does seem like her falling/slipping off and drowning (especially if she had been drinking) is the most logical explanation, but how do you explain....

-why no body found?
-the multiple sightings of her? She identified herself by name in one sighting; in another one, the witnesses accurately described her tatoos
-not to mention the pic you guys are talking about
-there was also another sketch of another possible sighting, I think in Barbados, that looks eerily like her

I noticed one poster was questioning why she hasn't managed to escape.....I'm guessing the poor souls trapped in brothels are strung out on drugs and totally brainwashed.

I was looking at her mom's facebook and it's just so sad.

Hello all, this is my first post but I have lurked forever....

I am an avid reader of missing person cases, but Amy Bradley is the one that I'm the most frusturated by, and the one that I've read about/googled the most - anything I can get my hands on.

I've never been on a cruise - how high are the railings? Is it really that possible for someone to slip/fall off?

It does seem like her falling/slipping off and drowning (especially if she had been drinking) is the most logical explanation, but how do you explain....

-why no body found?
-the multiple sightings of her? She identified herself by name in one sighting; in another one, the witnesses accurately described her tatoos
-not to mention the pic you guys are talking about
-there was also another sketch of another possible sighting, I think in Barbados, that looks eerily like her

I noticed one poster was questioning why she hasn't managed to escape.....I'm guessing the poor souls trapped in brothels are strung out on drugs and totally brainwashed.

I was looking at her mom's facebook and it's just so sad.

The railings on a cruise ship are not that high. Its very easy to fall off. No body being found is very easily explained IMO. The fact is, if she fell off the boat, no one really knows where in the ocean that she fell so by the time they find the spot, her body could have already been eaten by sea creatures.

I'm always highly skeptical of "eyewitness sightings", mainly because most of them turn out to be bogus. However, the military office who said he saw her, I believe. I do think she is being held over there, but my question is, how did they get her off that boat? When I took a cruise in 2005, when we leave the boat, they make you go through a metal detector and then back in through the metal detector. I'm not sure if that same system was in place in 1998 when Amy disappeared but I believe it was. That leads me to believe that if she was taken off the ship against her will, it was most likely done by an employee of the ship who had access to another exit or "connections" that could have him easily leave the ship without having to go through the proper protocol.

how did they get her off that boat

1. She may never have left the boat, in the first place.

2. A lot of it depends on how detailed this kidnapping operation was. If a crew member on the boat is involved, then there are numerous ways he could get out.

3. If Amy was "roofied up" there may have been some way they walked her off that boat as someone else.

Yeah, as much as I want to think otherwise, I too think she fell off the ship.

The only thing that makes me hesitate is the fact that someone claimed they saw her with the bass player early in the morning (after she had been seen on her balcony). If that sighting is true, and the time is correct, than it means she left the room and most likely did not fall off the balcony. This theory makes a bit of sense, since her cig pack was also never found, which led her family to believe she took the pack with her when she exited the room. It is possible that the pack somehow fell in the ocean with her, but usually (as a smoker myself), you just take a cig out of the pack and set the pack back down. Very weird case.

I agree that the other sightings, though intriguing, are pretty sketchy and just too prone to be in error. I also think the fact that a body hasn't been found is irrelevant, as entire planes and ships are not recovered if they crash into the ocean, let alone a single person. I mean, even the Titanic wasn't found for decades!!!

I don't think she fell off. I remember seeing some kind of show, a talk show or something, and they demonstrated how difficult it was to fall off. They were talking about the Amy Bradley case specifically, and they showed how someone would have to climb up on the railing in order to fall overboard.

The photos that I've looked at recently look so much like Amy, I really do think she was taken against her will. The site I looked at had closeups of the woman posing -- her hairline, eyebrow line, and earlobe (including multiple piercings) matched Amy's exactly.

Also, weren't there witnesses who said that they actually spoke to Amy?

Maybe they were mistaken, but I think the witnesses and the photos warrant further investigation...I hope the police are looking into it.

I have been on a couple cruises and I vote for the falling off the boat theory. I think she was hung over and lost her balance on the deck.

1. you might want to look into the "Natashas", the russian slave prostitutes. There are some very good books and documentaries on the black market slave trade. The methods used to turn these women into prostitutes can be brutal and psychologically damaging.

2. The phenomenon of "Plato's cave" is something to consider. At some point life as a prostitute becomes so familiar and comfortable that any other life would be too traumatic.

3. Feelings of shame could also factor into this. Staying as a prostitute may be a form of "metaphorical suicide" for Amy.

Very good points Mastermind!

I also think the fact that a body hasn't been found is irrelevant, as entire planes and ships are not recovered if they crash into the ocean, let alone a single person. I mean, even the Titanic wasn't found for decades!!!

And a tip o' the hat to Mattc!


Y'see, this is exactly why I signed up for these UM forums - I get to "meet" various people interested in cases like these and I like reading everyone's ideas/ comments

So anyhoo, I found some floor plans for "Rhapsody of the Seas"

http://www.seascanner.com/deckplan.php?schiff=Rhapsody+of+the+Seas&bf&dpe=2

Unfortunately, I don't know what cabin they were staying in (Perhaps one of you know?) so I'm still looking for that info

Now, I myself have never been on a cruise but Hambone and VikingsGal can attest that it would be pretty easy to fall off.

Also, I got this from the UM site:

On their third night at sea, Amy and her brother, Brad, partied long and hard. Neither returned to the family's cabin until 3:40 A.M. Amy's dad, Ron, said he woke up when she came in and said she was going to sleep on the balcony:

"She said she hadn't been feeling too well because of the motion of the boat since we left Aruba that evening. So she said she was gonna just to stay out there and get some fresh air."

The next time Ron woke up, Brad had gone to bed and Amy was asleep on the balcony:

"I could see Amy's legs from her hips down. She looks like she was resting comfortably. I dozed back off to sleep. The balcony door was closed, because if it hadn't been closed, I would have gotten up and closed it." Just 30 minutes later, according to Ron, their dream vacation turned into a nightmare:

"About 6:00am, something awoke me again. I got up, looked out on the balcony and the balcony door was open about 14-16 inches and Amy wasn't on the deck. And I had a little funny feeling at that time, because it was unlike her to be up that early in the morning."


Okay, so she had been drinking and fell asleep.. it's facts like these that make me accept she could have very easily dozed off and accidently fell off.

If that's the case, then heck, whose to say she then didn't go under the cruise ship and drowned?

Now, if that was it then I'd be 100% satisfied with that probable conclusion... however I'm only 75% convinced . Why? Well because these photos that showed up on some site for a brothel (?) (Any of you know for sure?)

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/amy_bradley2.jpg

The girl with the short, blonde hair is what Amy looked like near around the time she disappeared... and the girl with the long black hair is from the site

So what do you guys think? I'm on the fence about this - I mean, the two girls look the same but it might be just a unique coincidence in that two individuals could actually share near-identical features, facial structure, etc.

Now if only someone could verify who the girl with the black hair is then that would really be a big help

(FYI- I'm not even gonna attempt to solve this case or anything, there's no way I could - I'm just typing what's on my mind at the moment)

I don't think it's her. That's not her nose, and that ear doesn't match.

Y'know - looking at the pics (on the linked website) the close up of the ears kinda do look different - it's hard to really tell, but it kinda looks like the shape is different

The photos are too small.

Any larger ones or closeups of the ears and the nose?

Going to assume the hair is a wig. (regardless of whether it is Amy or not)

Heya,


Yeah unfortunately no - I just posted those thumbs just for a quick reference - I couldn't post the other ones 'cause they're a little too risque for this forum

You can check out the pics by going to the Wikipedia Amy Bradley entry and clicking on the link that reads: " Photographs of woman suspected to be Amy Bradley, as shown on Dr. Phil"

There are some close up of he ears, but honestly, they're too digitized to be of any real use

If I come across any sites that have (appropriate) pics with a higher resolution, I will post 'em

Or perhaps some of the other forum members have access to better pics and/ or info?

I'm leaning towards that photo not being her. What are the chances of someone finding this photo and it actually being her?

However, the sightings, especially the ones where she identified herself by name and/or looked like she wanted to ask for help, seriously creep me out. It really kills me to think she may have been alive at least for some time after her abduction, knowing her family was desperately searching for her, but wasn't able to be rescued. It's heartbreaking.

Looking at the photos, I'll admit that they could pass for each other.

Is it me or does the subject have a more upturned nose than Amy Bradley?

Or did she have plastic surgery after her abduction? (which is a possibility)

Mastermind - Considering your question on the nose, is it just me or does the first thumbnail seem to be upturned and the second appears not? I'm having trouble imagining image #2 turning to her right and looking like image #1.

Mastermind - Considering your question on the nose, is it just me or does the first thumbnail seem to be upturned and the second appears not? I'm having trouble imagining image #2 turning to her right and looking like image #1.

Yeah...now that I notice it the nose does look different in the 2nd photo.

It may just be the angle or light.

Looking at the photos on the amy bradley website (fantastic site, BTW!!)

1. It;s amazing how radical Amy's appearance changed from photo to photo over the years. Almost like looking at different people.

2. I don;t remmeber them mentioning Amy's tatoo in the UM segment. I really hope that they didn;t leave that part out. :rolleyes:

3. That "taz" photo is a dead giveaway. Anybody that slept with her would notice it. I have to imagine any evening gowns would expose it. I guess her captors or madames could cover it up somehow.

The hair in the photo of the "subject" seems to have the hair is a way that would cover up the tatoo? No?

4. Looking at some of the racier photos. ---and I;m not trying to be perverted here---but it seems like the girl in the photo has a greater cups size than Amy in some of her photos. Anyone concur?

----SPECULATION ALERT------

Anyone think that the second photo of the "girl" is actually a photo manipulation or morphing of the first picture of the girl and the last picture of Amy Bradley?
:confused: :confused:

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/11/hyscience_dr_ph.php

Hmmm.. I used to retouch photographs for a living back in that tumultuous decade called "The '90's"

The image is at a low resolution so it's really difficult to see any obvious digital trickery

I'm leaning to towards an "I doubt it"... but then again, it's tough to say for sure giving what we have here

Gotta also consider the source. Let's just say for arguments sake these images were clicked and dragged directly from the brothel's site.
Usually (and I'm using this term loosely), images on sites like that are at your basic rez- looks great on a screen until ya start zooming in and the image just gets more and more pixelated. Plus images at a standard screen rez would print out abysmally

Also, and I'm going out on a limb here, but ya'd figure a brothel site would constantly be changing almost on like, a weekly/ bi-weekly basis
so why bother going through the motions of altering a few photos? (I personally don't know as I've never used or really viewed a brothel site. The best things in life are free, I always say ;) )

I mean, it's very possible these photos were in fact, digitally altered (for whatever reason) but I dunno... kinda doubt it

Now if only we had these images at a higher resolution then I'd be able to make a hell of a lot better judgement call

Personally, I think foul play was involved in her disappearance. If she was afraid to go near the railing, I highly doubt she would have been close enough to fall off. I think she was either thrown off or abducted, the first one seeming more likely. The bass player always seemed pretty suspicious, too.

Personally, I think foul play was involved in her disappearance. If she was afraid to go near the railing, I highly doubt she would have been close enough to fall off

Alcohol and drugs tend to remove fears and inhibitions.

Originally posted by Mastermind Looking at some of the racier photos. ---and I;m not trying to be perverted here---but it seems like the girl in the photo has a greater cups size than Amy in some of her photos. Anyone concur?

My wife said the same thing

So I'm wondering if it's just a coincidence that this woman in the photo just happens to bear a striking resemblance

I was wondering if she could have been sleepwalking and fell right over the edge of the boat.

I have been following the case of Amy Bradley since 2005. I have read everything I could find. I believe she was taken and made to work as a prostitute. I also believe she is alive but so traumatized by the hell that has been her life, that she could not leave her current situation no matter what. She needs someone to help her.

I know 20/20 did a segment on Amy and how that one P.I. allegedy took advantage of the family.

Has the bass player ever been tracked down or questioned? He's not been mentioned much.

The white female slave trade that is notorious in the Carri bean has been documented very well online and in books, the place where the boat docked that morning (I can't remember the name of the island) is one of the islands that has a lot of white women slaves. The cruise ship industry has a reputation for this. Apparently, white, blond woman are considered "prizes" and can make a lot of money for whoever is capturing these people.

That being said, I definitely think she was abducted and made to be a slave.
Also, a sailor said that he saw Amy Bradely in one of the brothels. She told him her name and asked him to help her, but he didn't because he wasn't supposed to be in the brothel to begin with.

Some divers also say that they saw her on the beach and they even described her tattoos.

I hope that they find her one day, like that Jaycee Dugard case.

You know, the thing that's always worried me about this case and that photograph getting all the media exposure is that it could potentially endanger her life. If the girl in the photo really is Amy, whoever is holding her could conceivably panic when they find out that picture has got national TV attention on Dr. Phil and what-not. They could decide she's too much of a dangerous liability and dispose of her. Hell, even if the girl in photo ISN'T Amy, whoever's reponsible for that girl could decide that all the media has made HER a liability, which puts her life at risk.

I've a fine line between deciding if massive media attention is more helpful or harmful when finding someone who may have been kidnapped.

I've never been on a cruise ship either, so I can't speak as an authority on the subject. But, if she said she wasn't feeling well, is it possible she leaned over the railing to be sick and then fell in? Again, I don't know if that is possible or even probable. Just asking.

I don't know what I think about the possibility of the slave trade thing. I know it happens, it is documented. But, I can't fully embrace the idea that it happened in this case. There are just too many variables that don't sit right with me.

Regarding the supposed sightings, as sad as it is, some people want attention badly enough to claim they have seen missing people when they haven't. It's possible to have read about a case and then claimed to have seen the person. I don't generally trust witness sightings right off the bat, I'm skeptical that way.

I've never been on a cruise ship either, so I can't speak as an authority on the subject. But, if she said she wasn't feeling well, is it possible she leaned over the railing to be sick and then fell in? Again, I don't know if that is possible or even probable. Just asking.

I don't know what I think about the possibility of the slave trade thing. I know it happens, it is documented. But, I can't fully embrace the idea that it happened in this case. There are just too many variables that don't sit right with me.

Regarding the supposed sightings, as sad as it is, some people want attention badly enough to claim they have seen missing people when they haven't. It's possible to have read about a case and then claimed to have seen the person. I don't generally trust witness sightings right off the bat, I'm skeptical that way.


You are right to be skeptical. Most sightings turn out to be hoaxes. Look at all the Cary Lynn Nixon sightings, the Judith Hymes telephone calls, and there are several others I know of just can't think of them right off the bat.

I wish people wouldn't do that, it makes the job of law enforcement that much tougher when they have to investigate false leads, and the truth gets harder to find when you have to sort through all these dead ends people come up with.

Of course, sometimes its just honest mistakes. But more often than not its a hoax.

At first glance, the simplest explanation is, as always, likely the correct one, namely that she fell off the boat and drowned.

This said, the suspicious crew and potential sightings of Amy (theoretically detailed enough to seem credible) raise questions. I am very skeptical of talk of massive white slavery rings in the Caribbean, smacks way too much of the whole 80s "Satanist gang" nonsense. This said, it's certainly possible Amy could now be working as an escort.

The problem is that upon discovery of the pictures, etc., LE or a PI (the family seems to have money, so I presume they have PIs working for them) should have gone down, hired the girl in question, and questioned her. Then you'd have an answer.

Instead, you get media coverage from the parasites who make their money by creating false hysteria (like "Dr" Phil and the like). If the girl in the pictures was Amy, I would suspect she was executed by her pimp to avoid any unwanted attention.

I am in the school of thought is that Amy fell off the balcony as well. Sad, but that seems like most likely scenario.

At first glance, the simplest explanation is, as always, likely the correct one, namely that she fell off the boat and drowned.

This said, the suspicious crew and potential sightings of Amy (theoretically detailed enough to seem credible) raise questions. I am very skeptical of talk of massive white slavery rings in the Caribbean, smacks way too much of the whole 80s "Satanist gang" nonsense. This said, it's certainly possible Amy could now be working as an escort.

The problem is that upon discovery of the pictures, etc., LE or a PI (the family seems to have money, so I presume they have PIs working for them) should have gone down, hired the girl in question, and questioned her. Then you'd have an answer.

Instead, you get media coverage from the parasites who make their money by creating false hysteria (like "Dr" Phil and the like). If the girl in the pictures was Amy, I would suspect she was executed by her pimp to avoid any unwanted attention.

I have to agree with you. The whole organized gang taking women hostage for the sex trade does sound a whole lot like the Satanic panic of the 80's. I'm sure it happens, but not on a large scale. I mean, think about it, if attractive women start disappearing from cruise ships one right after the other, people will put two and two together. I just don't see it happening with regularity.

Secondly, and I don't mean to criticize the family here, but why go to someone like Dr. Phil instead of hiring a PI to go there and "hire" the escort for the evening. By going to Dr. Phil (not even a real Dr. BTW), any chance of finding her alive assuming she is the escort would have been eliminated. No pimp will keep a girl alive if she poses a threat to his or her livelihood.

I have been on a few cruises and most of the time people are hammered or on their way to getting hammered, especially at night. And there is of sense of time. It is food and drink all day and all night long.

I am not saying Amy was a big party hound but the possibilty that she had a few drinks, lost her balance and fell off the deck is just too strong. I am not a fan of the white slavery ring theory. Just seems too "out there" for me.

I have the same concerns about media attention, but I think there is much that is known and not being publicized, so that's good. I've read through the discussion thread on this site regarding Amy and want to offer some reading material for those people who think the idea of trafficking in humans is an urban myth; A Crime So Monstrous, by E. Benjamin Skinner, SlaveHunter, by Aaron Cohen

I have to agree with you. The whole organized gang taking women hostage for the sex trade does sound a whole lot like the Satanic panic of the 80's. I'm sure it happens, but not on a large scale. I mean, think about it, if attractive women start disappearing from cruise ships one right after the other, people will put two and two together. I just don't see it happening with regularity.

Secondly, and I don't mean to criticize the family here, but why go to someone like Dr. Phil instead of hiring a PI to go there and "hire" the escort for the evening. By going to Dr. Phil (not even a real Dr. BTW), any chance of finding her alive assuming she is the escort would have been eliminated. No pimp will keep a girl alive if she poses a threat to his or her livelihood.
I have the same concerns about media attention, but I think there is much that is known and not being publicized, so that's good. I've read through the discussion thread on this site regarding Amy and want to offer some reading material for those people who think the idea of trafficking in humans is an urban myth; A Crime So Monstrous, by E. Benjamin Skinner, SlaveHunter, by Aaron Cohen

I have been on a few cruises and most of the time people are hammered or on their way to getting hammered, especially at night. And there is of sense of time. It is food and drink all day and all night long.

I am not saying Amy was a big party hound but the possibilty that she had a few drinks, lost her balance and fell off the deck is just too strong. I am not a fan of the white slavery ring theory. Just seems too "out there" for me.
Seriously, here is some reading material for those people who think the idea of trafficking in humans is an urban myth; A Crime So Monstrous, by E. Benjamin Skinner, SlaveHunter, by Aaron Cohen

I have the same concerns about media attention, but I think there is much that is known and not being publicized, so that's good. I've read through the discussion thread on this site regarding Amy and want to offer some reading material for those people who think the idea of trafficking in humans is an urban myth; A Crime So Monstrous, by E. Benjamin Skinner, SlaveHunter, by Aaron Cohen

I, for one, do not question at all the fact that slavery, often sex-trafficking of women and children, is a serious problem throughout the world.

Where the skepticism comes in is in the specific tale that white slavery rings exist in the Caribbean wherein evil islanders abduct innocent white american women on beach holidays or cruises and turn them into prostitutes.

Not only do such stories have a bit of racism at play (since they are usually always accompanied by the families' braying about the incompetent and/or corrupt islander police), it just doesn't seem supported by actual evidence.

This isn't to say that it couldn't happen in a specific case; statistically, Caribbean islands and cruise ships would likely have just as many abductors, rapists, and other criminals as are running around America, but it's certainly not the first thing I would think of.

www.cruisebruise.com has articles, statistics, and other info related to mishaps and crime in the cruise ship industry.

The amazing thing is there is no safety net or device to catch people if they do fall off cruise ship balconies so you would think AT LEAST 1 or 2 people would fall off and go in the water every year.

It would probably be pretty hard to save them especially at night. Does anyone know if there is any method currently used to prevent people from falling off cruise ship decks and balconies?

I agree the white slavery theory is pretty far fetched but not impossible. I just think someone would've seen her by now.

I agree that human trafficking exists, especially with women and children into sex trades. I just don't think that happened to Amy Bradley.

www.cruisebruise.com has articles, statistics, and other info related to mishaps and crime in the cruise ship industry.

I read that site a few years back; it's disturbing how often the cruise line companies refuse to report crimes (including rape and possible homicide) that occur on their ships to the nearest port and allow these employees to continue to work for them. Not that it's anything new -- there was a famous case from the 1940's where an actress, Gay Gibson, was raped, murdered, then pushed out a porthole by the ship's steward James Camb. He had a history of using his pass key to enter women's rooms while they slept.

I agree that trafficking is very much in existence (and occurs in the U.S as well) but I don't buy into the 'white slavery' scenario that gets bandied about whenever a white woman vanishes while abroad. The simplest explanation is that Bradley either accidentally fell or was thrown overboard during the course of an assault. What's interesting is the ship employee who knew about Amy's disappearance before it was generally known and had been bothering her prior to her vanishing.

Another idea that just came to mind regarding the brothel connection. (But I have to say, I think she was murdered and taken or thrown off the ship by someone.)

Anyway, isn't it common on sites or print ads for brothels to just use any old picture to advertise. I mean, a person may see a lady that captures their attention, but she may no longer work there and the customer would have to arrange a date with a different lady.

IMO, if those brothel images are of Amy, the clothes, hair, makeup (and IIRC) decor in the room looked very much like the 1980s style. It's possible that the look was still around in 98, when Amy went missing. She could have been used for photos and to service the clients, and then she was killed or died (or committed suicide) not long after the photos were taken, yet the pics were still used for advertising purposes.

Of course it's possible that the images are of a lady who looks quite a bit like Amy and the brothel site is not involved in Amy's case at all.

In all my years of reading about true crime, I've noticed that I look a lot like some of the doenetwork unidentified victims and even like some of the perps in photos and composite sketches I've seen. I'm sure this odd phenomenon applies to lots of folks, and not just me. In Amy's case, it just could simply be that the two ladies have very similar features and the photos are a false lead.

soilentgreen, I was on two cruises. Once with just my husband on Holland America's Zuiderdam and another time with my parents, my husband, and my teenage children on the Royal Caribbean Voyager of the Seas.

My teens were issued their own room key cards, which double as ID to get on and off the ship and to order drinks and sodas at the bars. For the kids, a fairly large hole was punched into their cards to quickly alert the bartender to the fact the child was too young to be served alcohol.

It didn't matter. My daughter was a very attractive girl, about 15 years old, and the staff continually tried to get her to order alcohol. I don't think this was a ploy to get more charges added to our bill, since my son was never once asked to upgrade his cola to a Rum and Coke drink. My husband and I were also rarely asked to order alcohol.

I can only remember the one time, when we were on the beach in Haiti (yes, Labadee is Haiti, no matter how much the cruise line and travel agent want to convince you that it's not) and the servers walked the beach all day calling out "booze for your cruise" to sell to the folks sunning on the beach. That's a common thing that doesn't target an age range. It's just a way for the cruise line to make more money. IMO, the bartenders on the ship were specifically wanting to get my daughter drunk and impaired, either to make her vulnerable or to just watch the antics of a drunk chick in a bikini.

Another device used in vacation spots is to put extra booze in just the ladies' drinks. Yet another example, while in the florida keys, my husband and I ordered pina coladas from the bartender on our beach each day. Mine was so soaked in booze that I got tipsy from just one drink. When I took a sip of hubby's drink a few times, I could barely taste the booze at all. From my experiences, I think this is a common practice, pretty much employed for the bartender's amusement, and could have been a factor in Amy's disappearance. She was young and may not have realized just how heavily saturated in alcohol that her drinks were. (Just a theory there, but I thought it was worth considering.)

Another device used in vacation spots is to put extra booze in just the ladies' drinks. Yet another example, while in the florida keys, my husband and I ordered pina coladas from the bartender on our beach each day. Mine was so soaked in booze that I got tipsy from just one drink. When I took a sip of hubby's drink a few times, I could barely taste the booze at all. From my experiences, I think this is a common practice, pretty much employed for the bartender's amusement, and could have been a factor in Amy's disappearance. She was young and may not have realized just how heavily saturated in alcohol that her drinks were. (Just a theory there, but I thought it was worth considering.)


I noticed several cases on cruisebruise (including Diane Brimble's homicide resulting from GHB) involving alcohol. Mix that in with employees who, usually at worst, have been fired by one cruise line for harassing guests, only to be later hired by another line.

As far as Bradley, wasn't there a witness that saw her talking to the musician early that morning? I think it's possible she went out of her room to smoke, and encountered the employee from the previous night or someone else.

As far as Bradley, wasn't there a witness that saw her talking to the musician early that morning? I think it's possible she went out of her room to smoke, and encountered the employee from the previous night or someone else.

I thought for sure that I'd read that she was seen in the company of a musician who worked on the ship. There must be something to it if both of us are remembering that detail. Seems like he went by a somewhat unusual nickname. I'll go have a look and see what I can find.

Amy's case is no longer on cruise bruise dot com, that I can find. They say they are in the process of changing servers and adding several years worth of information.

At amybradley dot net, I found this info:

It is known that the last person seen with Amy in the early hours of the morning was a cruise ship band member of a group known as 'Blue Orchid' by the name of 'Yellow'...and, there were other crew members who spent time with Amy, as well...Katalin (from Hungary); Eduardo Cabrito (a waiter); David Cato (a waiter); and, Patrick (a waiter).

Human traffickers are not discerning. These criminal organizations are based on the renewable resource model, so volume is key. They are not a particular group, they will find use for their prey. Also, it is not uncommon to hear people make accusations about the efficacy and integrity of the police involved in these cases. Regardless of these accusations, human traffickers are in business to stay. You do the math.

I saw an epsiode of 20/20 about missing people and Amy Bradley was featured. Her parents have been through the wringer looking for her, including shelling out serious money to a con man who claimed to know that she was alive and where she was located. Turned out to be a hoax.

I think she has passed away but I do understand her parents thinking "Well until we see body we will keep looking."

Amy's case is no longer on cruise bruise dot com, that I can find. They say they are in the process of changing servers and adding several years worth of information.

At amybradley dot net, I found this info:

It is known that the last person seen with Amy in the early hours of the morning was a cruise ship band member of a group known as 'Blue Orchid' by the name of 'Yellow'...and, there were other crew members who spent time with Amy, as well...Katalin (from Hungary); Eduardo Cabrito (a waiter); David Cato (a waiter); and, Patrick (a waiter).
Yeah, and this DJ on the ship named Steve Croes. You can read a bit more about it and an interview with a P.I. here

http://michellesaysso.blogspot.com/2007/04/amy-bradley-rumored-sighting-in.html

You can see a pic of the DJ there, he looks like a real winner ( I think he was questioned in the Natalee Holloway case too)

Human traffickers are not discerning. These criminal organizations are based on the renewable resource model, so volume is key. They are not a particular group, they will find use for their prey. Also, it is not uncommon to hear people make accusations about the efficacy and integrity of the police involved in these cases. Regardless of these accusations, human traffickers are in business to stay. You do the math.

Really? And your source of information on this is what, poster?

Human traffickers obviously DO exist. However, the overwhelming majority exploit people that know what they are getting into (but are then surprised at the fact they are being cheated) or children. The market for educated Caucasian women that can easily escape and could cause trouble for them isn't that large.

Traffickers want young naive women, usually from rural areas that are easy to exploit and not very intelligent. Or they want woman that are experienced, but drug addicted so they are easy to control. Ms. Bradley doesn't seem to fit that "bill."

My thoughts on what might have happened:

1) Ms. Bradley fell overboard, was caught in the ship's screws and then the body was never found.
2) Ms. Bradley jumped overboard, was caught in the ship's screws and the body was never found.
3) Ms. Bradley was thrown overboard by a party, or parties, unknown, was caught in the ship's screws and the body was never found.

I put in ship's screws as they would have damaged the body and attracted fish to feed on it more quickly making finding it far more difficult to locate.

The human trafficking angle doesn't hold much "water" as if a ring were looking for a victim, getting the victim on LAND would be far easier than trying to remove her from an ocean-going vessel. Either in port or on the high seas.

Heya,


Yeah unfortunately no - I just posted those thumbs just for a quick reference - I couldn't post the other ones 'cause they're a little too risque for this forum

You can check out the pics by going to the Wikipedia Amy Bradley entry and clicking on the link that reads: " Photographs of woman suspected to be Amy Bradley, as shown on Dr. Phil"

There are some close up of he ears, but honestly, they're too digitized to be of any real use

If I come across any sites that have (appropriate) pics with a higher resolution, I will post 'em

Or perhaps some of the other forum members have access to better pics and/ or info?

The eyes and eyebrows dont match up. I stared at both photos and you see the eyebrow a higher match with the exotic dancer and you see the symetric of the eye is shaped different. I do not believe this is Amy Bradley. I believe she fell off the ship. All evidence kinda points to this. Asleep on the balcony. Partying three nights in a row. Cicarettes are missing (whole pack). I think she got up because she felt sick as remember she mentioned she was feeling sick, and she was throwing up over the balcony and fell in! This is my theory.

I know what your saying, cocytus, about human trafficking. Caucasian females arent in high demand because of the obvious attention they would bring.

Although I dont think you can discount the eye witness accounts like the ones that were reported, I think those people saw her.

I've worked on ships alot, its difficult to get ripped apart by a large ships rotors and such, especially when your that close to port. You have the time to swim out of the vicinity of the ship. And it's been said before, she was an experienced swimmer, they were close to port, probably not much current, i dont think she got sucked into the "screws".

As far as the photo angle, I don't put much credibility to that theory. Photos can be misleading. I can give you a few examples.

one day earlier this week I was watching UM and it showed the case of a missing teen from NY state(?). Her parents were convinced that they saw her in a NKOTB concert video filmed in CA. The shot was shown on UM and they were certain it was her. But the segment was updated and a guy in prison for murder confessed to killing her and with his info her body was recovered. The girl in the video was not the missing girl.

Some years ago a lady we know cut a picture from the paper of a group of high school kids and brought it to us. She thought it was our son. My MIL thought it was him when she saw it. I thought the boy looked exactly like him. But it wasn't him. If my son had been missing and I saw that picture, I would have sworn it was him.

pictures can be misleading. Especially when parents are desperate and wanting to believe their missing child is still alive.

I know what your saying, cocytus, about human trafficking. Caucasian females arent in high demand because of the obvious attention they would bring.

Although I dont think you can discount the eye witness accounts like the ones that were reported, I think those people saw her.

I've worked on ships alot, its difficult to get ripped apart by a large ships rotors and such, especially when your that close to port. You have the time to swim out of the vicinity of the ship. And it's been said before, she was an experienced swimmer, they were close to port, probably not much current, i dont think she got sucked into the "screws".

I definitely agree that it would be difficult to be caught in the screws...if you conscious. I just don't believe that in two possible scenarios that she would have been conscious (falling and hitting the water or being thrown in) and thus couldn't have avoided the screws.

And her being an "experienced swimmer" probably wouldn't count as much after a 50+ foot fall to the water, especially is she wasn't prepared for such a fall.

This case has always struck me as being an accident (or a suicide) that is being kept alive by denial on the parent's part. I can't even imagine how hard it would be to lose a child, so I can certainly empathize w/ the pain that this is causing them.

I wonder how much they need an explanation that doesn't rely on this being an accident or intentional act on their daughter's part?

RE: the white slavery angle

If it's young, white, american, blonde girls who are so highly prized by human traffickers, why does the woman in the brothel photo have black hair?

And since Amy's case is so high profile, been on many tv shows, and publicized everywhere, why would a brothel website risk bringing trouble to their business by posting a photo of a known missing american girl?

I found this very interesting blog from a guy who was hired to make a promotional video for the "Rapsody of the Seas" cruise ship and wound up on the exact same cruise as Amy Bradley. He has some firsthand knowledge of the situation and actually got some videotape footage of Amy dancing in the club the night she disappeared, which apparently, certain people didn't want getting out.
http://chrisfenwick.squarespace.com/home/2010/3/1/amy-bradley-is-missing.html

I've never been on a cruise, but I've heard many people say that the railings on these ships are incredibly high and that it would be pretty much impossible for anyone to fall overboard accidentally unless they jumped or someone threw them off. Can anyone who's been on a cruise verify that?

I've never been on a cruise, but I've heard many people say that the railings on these ships are incredibly high and that it would be pretty much impossible for anyone to fall overboard accidentally unless they jumped or someone threw them off. Can anyone who's been on a cruise verify that?

How tall is Amy? I'm 5'6" and the railings on our balcony (from our room) were high enough that I would have had to make a conscious effort to go over the railing (unless there were extreme external forces, such as high seas, etc). There's just no way I could have accidentally gone over the rail.

My mom is 5'2" and my daughter is 5'4". They would have had to climb up onto the rail to go over.

I'm not sure about the height of the railings on the outer decks where people just go for a walk or sit in the public area deck chairs. I'm assuming that they were as high as the rails of my balcony, and that all the railings would have been at the same standard of height.

We could probably do a bit of research and find out the dimensions of the rails. EDIT: I just got out my vacation photos. My son is 6' tall. The height of the railing was above his waist, but below his chest. Even at 6' tall, it looks like it would have been hard for him to accidentally fall over the rail. In the photos I have of many other cruisers looking over the railings with their elbows resting on the top rail, it looks like the height of the rail is just below their chests.

Oh, and a lady who had cruised on our ship a couple years before us lost a large amount of money at the on board casino. She suicided by jumping over the rail and they think the gambling loss was a major part of her motive. I've also heard of several other deliberate "overboards". An elderly man in poor health cruised alone with the intention of committing suicide. He left a note in his room. I'm sure cruise bruise dot com has other examples.

I don't think Amy committed suicide or accidentally went over the rail, unless maybe she was drunk and goofing around. I feel that foul play is involved. She was a pretty young woman who was partying, socializing with new people, and since a ship is like a "closed society", it can give some people a false sense of security.

How tall is Amy? I'm 5'6" and the railings on our balcony (from our room) were high enough that I would have had to make a conscious effort to go over the railing (unless there were extreme external forces, such as high seas, etc). There's just no way I could have accidentally gone over the rail.

My mom is 5'2" and my daughter is 5'4". They would have had to climb up onto the rail to go over.

I'm not sure about the height of the railings on the outer decks where people just go for a walk or sit in the public area deck chairs. I'm assuming that they were as high as the rails of my balcony, and that all the railings would have been at the same standard of height.

We could probably do a bit of research and find out the dimensions of the rails. EDIT: I just got out my vacation photos. My son is 6' tall. The height of the railing was above his waist, but below his chest. Even at 6' tall, it looks like it would have been hard for him to accidentally fall over the rail. In the photos I have of many other cruisers looking over the railings with their elbows resting on the top rail, it looks like the height of the rail is just below their chests.

Oh, and a lady who had cruised on our ship a couple years before us lost a large amount of money at the on board casino. She suicided by jumping over the rail and they think the gambling loss was a major part of her motive. I've also heard of several other deliberate "overboards". An elderly man in poor health cruised alone with the intention of committing suicide. He left a note in his room. I'm sure cruise bruise dot com has other examples.

I don't think Amy committed suicide or accidentally went over the rail, unless maybe she was drunk and goofing around. I feel that foul play is involved. She was a pretty young woman who was partying, socializing with new people, and since a ship is like a "closed society", it can give some people a false sense of security.

I have never on a cruise of any significant length, but I have been on several lengthy ferry rides. The crews on the ferries seemed to keep an eye on solo passengers and people "acting odd." The railings, however, were low enough for a person that was "horsing around" or put some effort into it to fall overboard.

Those were short range trips over relatively well-traveled bodies of water. I can imagine that if a person were inclined to "leave" the ship (for whatever reason) in mid-voyage in the ocean or a sea, there would be little to impede them.

The biggest issue I have w/ this being a murder is this: Given the relatively lax security and terrible investigative techniques of the cruise ship's security, they should have been able to locate:

1) A crime scene.
2) A witness (at least one)
3) Some type of forensic evidence (primarily blood) See #1
4) At least one passenger (or crew member) acting strangely when the search for Ms. Bradley began.

That they were unable to locate one or all of the above (although they might have done so and covered it up) makes me believe that none existed. And without those, this appears to be more of a tragic accident (or intentional act) than a homicide.

W/O knowing Ms. Bradley's psychological history,her emotional state during the cruise and her ability to tolerate alcohol, there's really no way to rule out suicide/accident.

Her father stated at 530 am she was in her bed. He gets up at 6 and shes gone. The balcony door is open and she is never seen again. They checked all over the boat and every room was searched. Sounds to me like she fell in and drowned. Though it is coast gaurd regulation that there are to be lookouts posted on both sides of the boat, it is possible they werent and no one saw her go in. Many bodies lost at sea are never recovered its nothing new by any means.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bradley_amy.html

Amy was 5' 7" tall and weighed 115 pounds.

Though it is coast gaurd regulation that there are to be lookouts posted on both sides of the boat, it is possible they werent and no one saw her go in.

Would this Coast Guard rule have been followed on a foreign ship in foreign waters? As far as I can tell, Royal Caribbean is flagged out of Liberia and was near the Netherlands Antilles (an island next to the now vilified Aruba) which is very close to the South American continent.

Would this Coast Guard rule have been followed on a foreign ship in foreign waters? As far as I can tell, Royal Caribbean is flagged out of Liberia and was near the Netherlands Antilles (an island next to the now vilified Aruba) which is very close to the South American continent.

Coast Guard rules and regulations only apply to ships entering US ports and that are in US territorial waters. Outside of the US' area of control, the ship has its own rules, international maritime rules and whatever requirements its insurers demand for their coverage.

I don't think most people realize how slipshod and unregulated the cruise industries is. I have read several books about it (I was planning on taking a cruise next fall) and those books paint a disturbing portrait of an industry that is far more interested in making profits than the safety or the security of their passengers and crew.

That there aren't more cases like Ms. Bradley's seems to be more "luck" than any concern (or even skill) on the part of the cruise lines.

Coast Guard rules and regulations only apply to ships entering US ports and that are in US territorial waters. Outside of the US' area of control, the ship has its own rules, international maritime rules and whatever requirements its insurers demand for their coverage.

I don't think most people realize how slipshod and unregulated the cruise industries is. I have read several books about it (I was planning on taking a cruise next fall) and those books paint a disturbing portrait of an industry that is far more interested in making profits than the safety or the security of their passengers and crew.

That there aren't more cases like Ms. Bradley's seems to be more "luck" than any concern (or even skill) on the part of the cruise lines.

They are all suppose to maintain a port and starboard watch but like you said being flagged in a foriegn country they really dont adhere to many standards. The bottome line is that if they are in US waters they are suppose to adhere to our basic standards but this is rarely enforced. Last I had heard there was only a handfull of ships flagged in the US. I mean literally there where less then 10. This is why I have no desire to go on a cruise. If these companies flag their ships in foreign countries to aviod coast gaurd regs then something is wrong.

Anyhow I just watched the segment again and realized I was wrong in what I had said. According to Amy's father he had seen her asleep on the balcony at 530am with the balcony door closed. Then when he awoke again the balcony door was open and Amy was gone. She had changed clothes and grabbed her cigarettes. So now I see why the family thinks she was taken rather then simply falling over. I mean if she had gotten up and simply fallen over the balcony then how did the door get open? How did her cigs go missing and how could she have changed clothes? Then you have the bass player mentioning to Amy's brother about her being missing before anyone else knew (alteast according to the brother) and then ofcourse we have the witness who claims seeing Amy with the bass player that morning.

Im just baffled as to how she could have been removed from that ship without someone seeing. Im wondering if anyone knows if any LE agency like coast gaurd or FBI would have also searched the boat or if the crew just did their own search? Obviously if the crew was doing the searching then she could have been hidin somewhere and later removed when the ship docked somewhere else.

They are all suppose to maintain a port and starboard watch but like you said being flagged in a foriegn country they really dont adhere to many standards. The bottome line is that if they are in US waters they are suppose to adhere to our basic standards but this is rarely enforced. Last I had heard there was only a handfull of ships flagged in the US. I mean literally there where less then 10. This is why I have no desire to go on a cruise. If these companies flag their ships in foreign countries to aviod coast gaurd regs then something is wrong.

Anyhow I just watched the segment again and realized I was wrong in what I had said. According to Amy's father he had seen her asleep on the balcony at 530am with the balcony door closed. Then when he awoke again the balcony door was open and Amy was gone. She had changed clothes and grabbed her cigarettes. So now I see why the family thinks she was taken rather then simply falling over. I mean if she had gotten up and simply fallen over the balcony then how did the door get open? How did her cigs go missing and how could she have changed clothes? Then you have the bass player mentioning to Amy's brother about her being missing before anyone else knew (alteast according to the brother) and then ofcourse we have the witness who claims seeing Amy with the bass player that morning.

Im just baffled as to how she could have been removed from that ship without someone seeing. Im wondering if anyone knows if any LE agency like coast gaurd or FBI would have also searched the boat or if the crew just did their own search? Obviously if the crew was doing the searching then she could have been hidin somewhere and later removed when the ship docked somewhere else.

The cruise ship industry spends millions of dollars in lobbying to prevent serious oversight of their industry. Since most Americans never take cruises and aren't familiar w/ maritime rules and regulations, the industry has been "safe" from scrutiny as a result.

1) Her "falling overboard" unless she was "goofing around" does seem unlikely, but stranger things have happened.

2) Her father's and brother's memories could be confabulations of multiple events that occurred around the same time but not when they thought they did. Since most people rarely document their activities and then only after the fact, it's easy that during a stressful situation it could be easy to lose track of what occurred and when.

The father MAY have seen her at a certain time but perhaps earlier than he thought. The bass player may have made the remark to the brother later than he remembered.

I never found the bass player's remarks as odd as on a small community like a ship, the gossip mill would working overtime to spread the word of rare event like a missing passenger.

3) I would imagine that any initial search of the ship would have been performed by the crew. Then local LE. And at a later period (and after much discussion) the FBI.The laws of the flag country would apply to any potential criminal activity that occurred aboard,and it's doubtful that they would as strict as those of the US.

I never bought that she was hidden on the ship. If someone were going to kidnap her, it would have been much easier to do so on LAND, rather than from a ship and we all know that most criminals prefer doing things the "easy way."

Maybe they did kidnap her on land, some crewmember had told her to meet them somewhere, and a cab driver reported her running up to his cab later that morning. And what about the numerous sightings of her since then?

You seen pretty adamant that she went overboard. Trust me, it's hard to go overboard on a ship, any ship, let alone a cruise ship that obviously has peoples safety in mind with the handrails and such. And about the watch thing, people slack off on watch on ships everywhere, its not about a ship not putting them on watch, its about the people not looking and daydreaming.

You also talked before about the lack of security onboard, and how they couldnt find a crime scene. WHAT? That makes it more plausible that she was abducted. AND if there was a crime scene they would have had time to cover it up because of the lack of security. And the fact that you keep saying the cruise lines how "slipshod" the cruise industries are, doesn't that point to how easy it would be for criminals to pull something like this off.

I think it's pretty obvious there's something more to this than just a person falling overboard.

Maybe they did kidnap her on land, some crewmember had told her to meet them somewhere, and a cab driver reported her running up to his cab later that morning. And what about the numerous sightings of her since then?

You seen pretty adamant that she went overboard. Trust me, it's hard to go overboard on a ship, any ship, let alone a cruise ship that obviously has peoples safety in mind with the handrails and such. And about the watch thing, people slack off on watch on ships everywhere, its not about a ship not putting them on watch, its about the people not looking and daydreaming.

You also talked before about the lack of security onboard, and how they couldnt find a crime scene. WHAT? That makes it more plausible that she was abducted. AND if there was a crime scene they would have had time to cover it up because of the lack of security. And the fact that you keep saying the cruise lines how "slipshod" the cruise industries are, doesn't that point to how easy it would be for criminals to pull something like this off.

I think it's pretty obvious there's something more to this than just a person falling overboard.

Well as far as the sightings go I wouldnt put alot of weight on that. Look at other missing persons who are seen all over the place and then it turns out they where dead all along. Kari lynn Nixon is one that comes to mind right off hand but there are many many more like this.

has anyone seen the so called photo of a Amy kidnapped that was on DrPhill I think?

N e Ways they found a jawbone they thought was Natalie Holloway, but it wasnt. A lot of people thought about Amy Bradley.

Maybe they did kidnap her on land, some crewmember had told her to meet them somewhere, and a cab driver reported her running up to his cab later that morning. And what about the numerous sightings of her since then?

You seen pretty adamant that she went overboard. Trust me, it's hard to go overboard on a ship, any ship, let alone a cruise ship that obviously has peoples safety in mind with the handrails and such. And about the watch thing, people slack off on watch on ships everywhere, its not about a ship not putting them on watch, its about the people not looking and daydreaming.

You also talked before about the lack of security onboard, and how they couldnt find a crime scene. WHAT? That makes it more plausible that she was abducted. AND if there was a crime scene they would have had time to cover it up because of the lack of security. And the fact that you keep saying the cruise lines how "slipshod" the cruise industries are, doesn't that point to how easy it would be for criminals to pull something like this off.

I think it's pretty obvious there's something more to this than just a person falling overboard.

Let's see:

1) I believe that her father last saw her aboard the ship. That's something that would hard to mistake or confabulate, unless he was ill or very intoxicated.

2) Eyewitness sighting are notoriously inaccurate. In fact, few cases make it into court these days relying solely or primarily upon eyewitness identification unless the eyewitness knew the person beforehand.

The people who claim to have seen Ms. Bradley see HUNDREDS of similar looking tourists a week. It's not hard to imagine that they might mistake another person for Ms. Bradley, especially since they don't know her personally.

3) How is it "hard" to go overboard on a ship? It may difficult to accidentally fall overboard due to a slip or the motion of the vessel, but it wouldn't be that "hard" if you lean too far over a railing or are standing on it.

And I assume that you mean a cruise ship, not a cargo vessel, ferry or any other type of ship. Those are even easier to fall from or jump from than a cruise ship.

4) There is security aboard. The quality of the security is what would be lacking. Their focus would be mostly towards keeping order among rowdy passengers, preventing theft of personal items and preventing the theft of company property. Solving felonies, particularly kidnappings or murders, would easily be beyond their limited skills and would probably be outside their job descriptions.

While in an environment like that it would be easy to cover up a crime scene for someone that had the presence of mind and skills to do as such, most of those type of people aren't going to be working for a cruise line, are they? Or be passengers.

I think that it's a safe assumption that Ms. Bradley went overboard. Why? Because short of the bilge tanks and the fuel tanks (which would necessarily have limited access) there be few places on a ship to hide an incapacitated or dead adult human being. Also, it's likely that the ship was searched after arriving in port. That would probably include any baggage taken off by passengers that left the ship at that port, although it may not have.And it's doubtful that the crew would have been allowed to leave the ship during a search for a missing passenger, making it unlikely for them to be able to remove anything.

With no signs of a struggle, no obvious forensic evidence (especially blood) and no one claiming to have heard screams nor the sounds of a struggle, it's very likely that none occurred.

She wasn't found on the ship. She wasn't found on land. No lifeboats were missing and there's been no credible evidence that she has been sighted anywhere else since she was last seen on the ship.

In fact, had the family not been so insistent on their timeline and the "fact" that Ms. Bradley wouldn't have committed suicide, it's likely that this would have been chalked up as being the accidental death, or suicide, that it appears to be.

Am I the only one who thinks the photos of the prostitute from the brothel website look nothing like Amy at all? As for her disappearance, I find it hard to believe that an intelligent, drug free, adult female would not have tried to get help by now if she were in fact taken against her will. If someone did in fact abduct her on board, how did they get her off the ship? If they did drug her (as the UM segment implied) don't you think someone would have remembered seeing a man/men dragging a woman who appeared to be sick/intoxicated? Another reason I don't buy the whole abduction theory is Amy was someone who was easily distinguishable. How many other women on that ship wore their hair as short as Amy's? Perhaps a couple, but Amy was could easily be identified based off of her hair and her age, IMO. Very risky for someone to haul her off the ship without someone noticing.

I really think it's pretty cut and dry as to what happened to Amy. She was sleeping/resting out on the deck, she may have been intoxicated, and then she decided she needed a quick cigarette before she went to bed for the remainder of the morning. So she opens the sliding door, grabs her cigarettes, and goes back out to smoke and that's when she falls in. That would explain why her cigarettes were missing, she may have been holding the pack in one hand. It would also account for the door being open...smoking a single cigarette would have taken no longer than two minutes so she probably thought she'd be right back in. If she were drunk that would certainly lead even more credence to the fact that she fell in. I know she was deathly afraid of looking overboard, but I think the family brought that up in the UM segment to kind of hold on to hope that she was still alive and didn't want to belive that their daughter/sister died in a drunken accident. Perhaps in her intoxicated state she got up enough courage to actually look over the edge, slipped and then fell in. I really think that's all that happened. A tragic accident.

I was planning on taking a cruise next fall.

I'm far from a world traveler, but have a bit of advice. :)

I was in my 30s when I went on two cruises in the early 2000s, but (due to a heart condition and some other health problems) I bought a $500,000 traveler's insurance policy for each trip. I had read up on ships' on-board medical providers and wasn't impressed.

During both cruises, a person had to be evacuated (not in our party). We changed course and headed toward an island with some kind of air transport for the sick passenger. That kind of health emergency could be financially devastating without insurance to cover medivac type flights back to the US, etc.

Also, and this really ticked me off, on the Royal Caribbean cruise, my husband got swimmer's ear. It's fairly easy to treat and I thought the on-board store would have basics like swimmer's ear treatment, tylenol, etc. They don't.

The ship's staff suggested we visit the on-board doctor for treatment. Instead, we went to the bar, asked for a glass of the highest proof booze they had, and poured it in hubby's ear. It was WAY cheaper than a trip to the ship's doctor, and it cured the swimmer's ear.

I'm far from a world traveler, but have a bit of advice. :)

I was in my 30s when I went on two cruises in the early 2000s, but (due to a heart condition and some other health problems) I bought a $500,000 traveler's insurance policy for each trip. I had read up on ships' on-board medical providers and wasn't impressed.

During both cruises, a person had to be evacuated (not in our party). We changed course and headed toward an island with some kind of air transport for the sick passenger. That kind of health emergency could be financially devastating without insurance to cover medivac type flights back to the US, etc.

Also, and this really ticked me off, on the Royal Caribbean cruise, my husband got swimmer's ear. It's fairly easy to treat and I thought the on-board store would have basics like swimmer's ear treatment, tylenol, etc. They don't.

The ship's staff suggested we visit the on-board doctor for treatment. Instead, we went to the bar, asked for a glass of the highest proof booze they had, and poured it in hubby's ear. It was WAY cheaper than a trip to the ship's doctor, and it cured the swimmer's ear.

Thanks, I appreciate the advice.

We are deciding between a Great Lakes cruise from Chicago to Montreal or a Caribbean cruise. Both are in the budget range...so we'll see how things go.

My concerns about the cruise are the same as they are when I travel to Mexico...or anywhere for that matter: theft of items from the room. I don't usually worry about any kind of violence as I'm a pretty big guy and I stay away from places that look like there would be some kind of BS going on.

Since neither of us drink and we don't get high, I think that makes us unlikely to run into a some of the situations that you read about or that they make UM segments about.

Again, thanks for the advice. We'll get the insurance and bring along a first aid kit of our own just to be on the safe side.

Am I the only one who thinks the photos of the prostitute from the brothel website look nothing like Amy at all? As for her disappearance, I find it hard to believe that an intelligent, drug free, adult female would not have tried to get help by now if she were in fact taken against her will. If someone did in fact abduct her on board, how did they get her off the ship? If they did drug her (as the UM segment implied) don't you think someone would have remembered seeing a man/men dragging a woman who appeared to be sick/intoxicated? Another reason I don't buy the whole abduction theory is Amy was someone who was easily distinguishable. How many other women on that ship wore their hair as short as Amy's? Perhaps a couple, but Amy was could easily be identified based off of her hair and her age, IMO. Very risky for someone to haul her off the ship without someone noticing.

I really think it's pretty cut and dry as to what happened to Amy. She was sleeping/resting out on the deck, she may have been intoxicated, and then she decided she needed a quick cigarette before she went to bed for the remainder of the morning. So she opens the sliding door, grabs her cigarettes, and goes back out to smoke and that's when she falls in. That would explain why her cigarettes were missing, she may have been holding the pack in one hand. It would also account for the door being open...smoking a single cigarette would have taken no longer than two minutes so she probably thought she'd be right back in. If she were drunk that would certainly lead even more credence to the fact that she fell in. I know she was deathly afraid of looking overboard, but I think the family brought that up in the UM segment to kind of hold on to hope that she was still alive and didn't want to belive that their daughter/sister died in a drunken accident. Perhaps in her intoxicated state she got up enough courage to actually look over the edge, slipped and then fell in. I really think that's all that happened. A tragic accident.

I agree with this..here's why: the picture as i mentioned many posts ago doesnt match up with her symetrical facial features of the eyes. Secondly, It would make sense why she left the door ajar if she assumed she was going to come back as you mentioned. If i was going out to smoke, sure i'd take the full pack with me, why not? and then maybe feeling sick as i mentioned, perhaps leaning over the railing to throw up..whoops i fall in! It's so black and white pretty much. The timing is key here. There is not enough timing for anything else really? Let's say another boat pulled up, well someone on this ship would have seen them. It's fun to play with the idea of kidnappers and how they would hide her out or human traffic her but lets get realistic here..so many bodies are not recovered in the fast ocean. If she would have left with a guy then someone on the ship as the look-out would have seen them walk away..its pretty cut and paste. I do think her family wants that hope that someone took her but it doesnt sound plausible given all the facts here and how she was by the railing to begin with.

If she did in fact leave the room for whatever purpose, why was the door left open? It's not like someone broke into the room, snuck past her parents and abducted her without so much as a murmur. I was wondering why if Amy fell over by accident no one heard her screams, but if she were vomitting that would account for that IMO.

UMMMM, thats kind of my point about the security thing, quality of security is lacking, so it would be easy to get away with something.

In all my time working on ships, ive never once dealt with someone going overboard, certainly not when pulling into port, and i wasnt on a cruise ship, i was on a salvage boat, which means when we hit rough seas you actually feel it. Nobody fell in.

You said she wasn't found on the ship, wasn't found on land either, well she wasn't found in the ocean. And since they were pretty close to land, that should be easy if she went in.

Thats why we have these boards though, so we can debate about this stuff, so its all good.

UMMMM, thats kind of my point about the security thing, quality of security is lacking, so it would be easy to get away with something.

In all my time working on ships, ive never once dealt with someone going overboard, certainly not when pulling into port, and i wasnt on a cruise ship, i was on a salvage boat, which means when we hit rough seas you actually feel it. Nobody fell in.

You said she wasn't found on the ship, wasn't found on land either, well she wasn't found in the ocean. And since they were pretty close to land, that should be easy if she went in.

Thats why we have these boards though, so we can debate about this stuff, so its all good.

Well...as far salvage ships, I would imagine that everybody aboard was a trained sailor, deckhand, officer or mechanic right? That makes a mishap like falling overboard unlikely, unless there was a storm or somebody was careless.

She wasn't found in Caribbean because...it's a large body of water w/ varying currents, weather patterns and ample marine life. There probably wasn't a search in the water until several hours (at least) after the ship went into port and by then the body could dozens of miles away from the initial search area.

And I can imagine (actually, I have read a lot about Cuban and Haitian boat people) that most bodies of people who drown in the Caribbean (just like the ocean) are never found, unless they are relatively close to shore or in/on some type of flotation device, making the failure to discover her body very easy to understand. Especially if she was dragged into the screws.

You are correct. These boards exist to debate these things. You have your views about this and I have mine. Hopefully, Ms. Bradley is alive and this will all be speculation. Unfortunately I don't believe that's the case.

UMMMM, thats kind of my point about the security thing, quality of security is lacking, so it would be easy to get away with something.

In all my time working on ships, ive never once dealt with someone going overboard, certainly not when pulling into port, and i wasnt on a cruise ship, i was on a salvage boat, which means when we hit rough seas you actually feel it. Nobody fell in.

You said she wasn't found on the ship, wasn't found on land either, well she wasn't found in the ocean. And since they were pretty close to land, that should be easy if she went in.

Thats why we have these boards though, so we can debate about this stuff, so its all good.

I think it's possible she fell in. My great-grandfather was in the Navy. One day he was on deck while the ship was in port. The deck was being mopped and was slippery and he fell in the water. As he tried to swim back to the surface he hit his head on the ship and was knocked unconscious and drowned. Keep in mind he was an experienced sailor, and a state champion swimmer. Anything's possible.

What do you all think about the navy guy who came forward with the story in the brothel? When the girl came up to him and said her name was Amy Bradley. I don't think some random white girl in a brothel would know about her to want to drop her name. I dont know whether or not he got any money for information and what not, but i can't really see someone wanting to come forward about being in a brothel unless they were there and it happened. Whats your take?

What do you all think about the navy guy who came forward with the story in the brothel? When the girl came up to him and said her name was Amy Bradley. I don't think some random white girl in a brothel would know about her to want to drop her name. I dont know whether or not he got any money for information and what not, but i can't really see someone wanting to come forward about being in a brothel unless they were there and it happened. Whats your take?

Let's see:

1) The woman was drunk,high or mentally ill and was trying to fool the sailor for some unknown reason.
2) The sailor made up the entire incident for some unknown reason or reasons.

Let's see:

1) The woman was drunk,high or mentally ill and was trying to fool the sailor for some unknown reason.
2) The sailor made up the entire incident for some unknown reason or reasons.
Thanks cactus.

I asked how would a women in a brothel (who you say is possibly mentally ill, drunk etc) know to drop the name Amy Bradley?

Why don't you provide some reasons he would make it up. Seeing as how i how already said i dont know why he would, and already stated i wasn't sure if he got any reward money for information.

Thanks cactus.

I asked how would a women in a brothel (who you say is possibly mentally ill, drunk etc) know to drop the name Amy Bradley?

Why don't you provide some reasons he would make it up. Seeing as how i how already said i dont know why he would, and already stated i wasn't sure if he got any reward money for information.

Let's see:

1) There was probably news coverage, fliers, posters, police questionings,etc concerning Ms. Bradley around the area after her disappearance. Given that the economy of the island depends on tourists, it's very likely that everybody on the island had heard of Ms. Bradley and had taken part in a discussion of her at least once.

This woman (if she exists) could have heard of it from numerous sources and simply have been trying to be "funny" or may have been mentally ill, high or drunk and have just repeated what she heard, w/ her being the "star" of the show.

2) The sailor may have heard the same stories or seen the missing posters and concocted his story simply to draw attention to himself. That happens more times that people care to admit and has caused numerous investigations to waste valuable time chasing false "leads."

I find it odd that no one else can corroborate the sailor's story, This woman would have had to tell more than one person the same story and yet only he remembers it?
Hmm...

What do you all think about the navy guy who came forward with the story in the brothel? When the girl came up to him and said her name was Amy Bradley. I don't think some random white girl in a brothel would know about her to want to drop her name. I dont know whether or not he got any money for information and what not, but i can't really see someone wanting to come forward about being in a brothel unless they were there and it happened. Whats your take?

I think its just like the woman who said she met Kari Lynn Nixon. She identified her picture and said the girl had told her that was her name. The woman really seemed to beileve in what she was saying. However it turned out Kari was killed right after going missing. The sailor could have met a girl that looked like Amy and may have had a similar name and if you think about it it"s not really that uncommon of a name.

On the families timeline of events.....

I understand how in a situation like this with your minds racing all over the place you could get things mixed up and not remember events as they actually happened. So the timing of when the bass player mentioning her being missing could be off as well as some other things. But the one event that stands out to me is when she came back to the room. The brother said she came in shortly after he did and the father says he saw her sleeping on the balcony. It would be kinda hard for both of them to have gotten mixed up on something as basic as her being in the room with them. The brother spoke to her and she said she was feeling ill and was going to stay outside in the fresh air. I dont see how he could be mixed up on that especially with the fathers story about seeing her on the balcony backs up the brothers version of events.
If it wasnt for them saying she was in the room then this case wouldnt be so unreal. It would seem she either got drunk and fell over or was abducted. However things become alot more complicated with them actually having her with them before she went missing.
To those who may think she went off the balcony where the father viewed her sleeping I would ask what your take is on the door being opened after the father had seen it was shut? Also take into account that her clothes had been changed and her cigs where gone. So it would seem that she got up early, changed clothes grabbed cigarettes and left the room. Consider you have an eyewitness that claims to see Amy that morining with the bass player. I realize this person could be mistaken but this does jive with what the father is saying concerning her leaving the room in early in the morning.

I think its just like the woman who said she met Kari Lynn Nixon. She identified her picture and said the girl had told her that was her name. The woman really seemed to beileve in what she was saying. However it turned out Kari was killed right after going missing. The sailor could have met a girl that looked like Amy and may have had a similar name and if you think about it it"s not really that uncommon of a name.

On the families timeline of events.....

I understand how in a situation like this with your minds racing all over the place you could get things mixed up and not remember events as they actually happened. So the timing of when the bass player mentioning her being missing could be off as well as some other things. But the one event that stands out to me is when she came back to the room. The brother said she came in shortly after he did and the father says he saw her sleeping on the balcony. It would be kinda hard for both of them to have gotten mixed up on something as basic as her being in the room with them. The brother spoke to her and she said she was feeling ill and was going to stay outside in the fresh air. I dont see how he could be mixed up on that especially with the fathers story about seeing her on the balcony backs up the brothers version of events.
If it wasnt for them saying she was in the room then this case wouldnt be so unreal. It would seem she either got drunk and fell over or was abducted. However things become alot more complicated with them actually having her with them before she went missing.
To those who may think she went off the balcony where the father viewed her sleeping I would ask what your take is on the door being opened after the father had seen it was shut? Also take into account that her clothes had been changed and her cigs where gone. So it would seem that she got up early, changed clothes grabbed cigarettes and left the room. Consider you have an eyewitness that claims to see Amy that morining with the bass player. I realize this person could be mistaken but this does jive with what the father is saying concerning her leaving the room in early in the morning.

door being open, well either the father was half awake and thinks he saw the door shut or she went out briefly with the intent of coming back in. I myself have gotton back from a party, threw up, changed clothes and threw up some more..its really not hard to understand all the pieces that point to this scenerio. She was seasick, and sick from partying for a few days. As for the bass player, i doubt it..if she was extremely tired and sick and at one point her dad saw her sleeping on the balcony, sounds like the version i just gave happened. Her body was never uncovered but that isnt uncommon given the area.

door being open, well either the father was half awake and thinks he saw the door shut or she went out briefly with the intent of coming back in. I myself have gotton back from a party, threw up, changed clothes and threw up some more..its really not hard to understand all the pieces that point to this scenerio. She was seasick, and sick from partying for a few days. As for the bass player, i doubt it..if she was extremely tired and sick and at one point her dad saw her sleeping on the balcony, sounds like the version i just gave happened. Her body was never uncovered but that isnt uncommon given the area.

I guess it could be that she came back in the room, changed clothes, grabbed smokes then went back out on balcony, got sick again and fell over. Just wonder how high the railings are. I would think on a balcony like that it would take some real effort to go over the side.

I guess it could be that she came back in the room, changed clothes, grabbed smokes then went back out on balcony, got sick again and fell over. Just wonder how high the railings are. I would think on a balcony like that it would take some real effort to go over the side.

I think perhaps she changed her clothes into maybe her sleep clothes, then grabbed her cigarettes to have one quick smoke before she went to bed which is why she left the balcony door open. She probably figured she'd be right back in after she got done smoking so that's why she left the door open. IMO the door being open is the biggest indicator that this was an accident. Who would come in and abduct Amy from the room while her parents were inches away? And if Amy did leave on her own volition why did she feel the need to leave the door open?

Let's see:

1) There was probably news coverage, fliers, posters, police questionings,etc concerning Ms. Bradley around the area after her disappearance. Given that the economy of the island depends on tourists, it's very likely that everybody on the island had heard of Ms. Bradley and had taken part in a discussion of her at least once.

This woman (if she exists) could have heard of it from numerous sources and simply have been trying to be "funny" or may have been mentally ill, high or drunk and have just repeated what she heard, w/ her being the "star" of the show.

2) The sailor may have heard the same stories or seen the missing posters and concocted his story simply to draw attention to himself. That happens more times that people care to admit and has caused numerous investigations to waste valuable time chasing false "leads."

I find it odd that no one else can corroborate the sailor's story, This woman would have had to tell more than one person the same story and yet only he remembers it?
Hmm...


I agree. I'm not saying that the girl who said she was Amy Bradley, isn't her, but she may be a kidnapped girl just the same. She may have heard of the story and thought that it was popular story among the public and in her attempt to escape, told this sailor that she was Amy Bradley, hoping to get out of there.

I don't buy the sailors story. Why wait several years to come out if you knew you had potential information that could save a woman who was basically enslaved? Even if he had a fear of getting in trouble (with his superiors, a girlfriend/wife) for being found out that he was at a brothel, couldn't he still have altered his story to paint himself in a better light? If this woman did come up to him and say, "Help I'm Amy Bradley, and American who was abducted and forced into this" he could have simply reported this to the local authorities (or any law enforcement agency for that matter) anonymously. And if he truly was embarassed about being in a brothel, when I say he could have painted himself in a better light, all he had to do was say he was cajoled into going by some friends and he didn't do anything but he had this encounter with a woman claiming to be Amy. The story just doesn't add up at all.

I don't buy the sailors story. Why wait several years to come out if you knew you had potential information that could save a woman who was basically enslaved? Even if he had a fear of getting in trouble (with his superiors, a girlfriend/wife) for being found out that he was at a brothel, couldn't he still have altered his story to paint himself in a better light? If this woman did come up to him and say, "Help I'm Amy Bradley, and American who was abducted and forced into this" he could have simply reported this to the local authorities (or any law enforcement agency for that matter) anonymously. And if he truly was embarassed about being in a brothel, when I say he could have painted himself in a better light, all he had to do was say he was cajoled into going by some friends and he didn't do anything but he had this encounter with a woman claiming to be Amy. The story just doesn't add up at all.
point in question is he's in a brothel...He made this whole story up to look cool to people in town..I remember my dad telling me once him and his brother went to a brothel when they were young and his brother came back into town and told everyone a fabricated story to look cool..yea it happens..and if he thought it was her, sure he would have gotton the authorities asap so he's just a imaginative guy..okay but i stick to amy falling over throwing up more then anything.

i know its possible that she just fell in, i guess it's just my personal experience on ships and never dealing with anybody falling over that makes me skeptical and think there was foul play.

none of us know that sailor, so we dont know the real story, but from my military experience if your in an area you aren't supposed to be, you dont come forward. and he did say he didnt know about amy bradleys case until some time after, so that was another reason for coming forward about it late.

and as for making up a story to look cool, nobody who is trying to look cool tells stories about being in brothels.

Let's see:

1) There was probably news coverage, fliers, posters, police questionings,etc concerning Ms. Bradley around the area after her disappearance. Given that the economy of the island depends on tourists, it's very likely that everybody on the island had heard of Ms. Bradley and had taken part in a discussion of her at least once.

This woman (if she exists) could have heard of it from numerous sources and simply have been trying to be "funny" or may have been mentally ill, high or drunk and have just repeated what she heard, w/ her being the "star" of the show.

2) The sailor may have heard the same stories or seen the missing posters and concocted his story simply to draw attention to himself. That happens more times that people care to admit and has caused numerous investigations to waste valuable time chasing false "leads."

I find it odd that no one else can corroborate the sailor's story, This woman would have had to tell more than one person the same story and yet only he remembers it?
Hmm...
thats a good point about the girl not telling anyone but the sailor, and no one to corroborate his story.

You could also just as easily assume she has told people, and being the general type of people that would go to a brothel, they just didnt care.

thats a good point about the girl not telling anyone but the sailor, and no one to corroborate his story.

You could also just as easily assume she has told people, and being the general type of people that would go to a brothel, they just didnt care.

While I personally don't visit brothels and wouldn't care for one being in my neighborhood (primarily due to the accompanying crime and traffic issues) I wouldn't make moral judgments against people that do.Brothels serve a purpose, however unpleasant for some people that fact may be. If they didn't, they wouldn't exist.

Having someone in a your brothel (especially on an island) telling your customers that she's a missing American tourist would have to be "bad for business." In fact, so bad, that it would be unlikely that you would use this woman in an area where she would have contact w/ Americans.

Could that have been Amy Bradley? Possibly...but given the intensive search conducted by the family and all of the news coverage, it's unlikely that it was. If she was being held against her will by the owners of the brothel for some reason, then the unwanted attention and publicity would have made it impossible to continue to hold her and they would have simply gotten rid of her.

Since the sailor is only person claiming to have seen/heard this "confession" you'd have to treat his statements w/ a strong amount of skepticism. Especially since he had no photos nor video of the incident.

While I personally don't visit brothels and wouldn't care for one being in my neighborhood (primarily due to the accompanying crime and traffic issues) I wouldn't make moral judgments against people that do.Brothels serve a purpose, however unpleasant for some people that fact may be. If they didn't, they wouldn't exist.

Having someone in a your brothel (especially on an island) telling your customers that she's a missing American tourist would have to be "bad for business." In fact, so bad, that it would be unlikely that you would use this woman in an area where she would have contact w/ Americans.

Could that have been Amy Bradley? Possibly...but given the intensive search conducted by the family and all of the news coverage, it's unlikely that it was. If she was being held against her will by the owners of the brothel for some reason, then the unwanted attention and publicity would have made it impossible to continue to hold her and they would have simply gotten rid of her.

Since the sailor is only person claiming to have seen/heard this "confession" you'd have to treat his statements w/ a strong amount of skepticism. Especially since he had no photos nor video of the incident.
No moral judgements here. But theres still a type that usually frequents brothels(like you said above, you wouldnt want one in your neigborhood for crime issues) and i think its possible that some people just didnt put any thought into a girl asking for help, or she saw a white sailor who looked military and had a chance to ask for help.

I've agreed with you before, these people, or slave traders, wouldn't want to use an american girl, because that would draw attention to them. I think if she was put into the sex trade, she has been done away with by now, sadly, from the publicity and just not having use for her anymore. I dont think that having the pictures (if it was her) on Dr. Phil helped at all either. I do think that there is much more to this case than a girl drunk and falling overboard, there is just too many odd accounts and things going on for me to believe that.

I always was convinced Amy Bradley was kidnapped into the sex trade. After reading the last couple of pages on this thread and seeing all your thoughts, though, I realize how unlikely that is. Yes, it's possible, but logic would say it was a suicide/accident overboard drowning. (Possibly a rape/murder by a crew member and body thrown overboard.)

I also agree the brothel story almost seems like it was just made up for shock value, as much as I would like it to be true. In either case, it's creepy.

However, what about David Carmichael, the Canadian tourist who saw Amy on a beach 6 months after her disappearance and accurately described her tatoos? He was on the Dr. Phil show and seemed genuine.

I always was convinced Amy Bradley was kidnapped into the sex trade. After reading the last couple of pages on this thread and seeing all your thoughts, though, I realize how unlikely that is. Yes, it's possible, but logic would say it was a suicide/accident overboard drowning. (Possibly a rape/murder by a crew member and body thrown overboard.)

I also agree the brothel story almost seems like it was just made up for shock value, as much as I would like it to be true. In either case, it's creepy.

However, what about David Carmichael, the Canadian tourist who saw Amy on a beach 6 months after her disappearance and accurately described her tatoos? He was on the Dr. Phil show and seemed genuine.

If she were abducted and forced into prostitution, why was she parading around on a beach? And if she left on her on volition, why hasn't she contacted her family by now? Someone who was allegedly abducted does not show up on a beach and not make any attempt to get help. The beach would have been an ideal location for her to yell or signal for help. More smoke and mirrors, IMO.

I always was convinced Amy Bradley was kidnapped into the sex trade. After reading the last couple of pages on this thread and seeing all your thoughts, though, I realize how unlikely that is. Yes, it's possible, but logic would say it was a suicide/accident overboard drowning. (Possibly a rape/murder by a crew member and body thrown overboard.)

I also agree the brothel story almost seems like it was just made up for shock value, as much as I would like it to be true. In either case, it's creepy.

However, what about David Carmichael, the Canadian tourist who saw Amy on a beach 6 months after her disappearance and accurately described her tatoos? He was on the Dr. Phil show and seemed genuine.

As far Carmichael, it may be the same case as any number of supposed "sightings": he read a poster or saw a news report and either mistook another woman for Ms. Bradley or he confabulated what he read w/ what he viewed and thought he saw her.The tattoos, were probably on a poster that he had seen or maybe they had been mentioned on a news report.

Unfortunately people looking for loved ones sometimes put too much information on posters or allow the media to release too many details. This makes it easy for people to misidentify someone, or worse, lie and state that they have seen the missing person.

If she were abducted and forced into prostitution, why was she parading around on a beach? And if she left on her on volition, why hasn't she contacted her family by now? Someone who was allegedly abducted does not show up on a beach and not make any attempt to get help. The beach would have been an ideal location for her to yell or signal for help. More smoke and mirrors, IMO.

Supposedly she was being led by 2 men and the witness claims it looked like she wanted to say something to him, but there was terrible fear in her eyes.

I'm not sure if he knew about her at that point or not. If I remember right, when he got home from his trip he saw an America's Most Wanted episode, saw her story on TV and he called immediately.

I'm not sure what's worse, her being dead the day she went missing, or hope that she's alive but has been tortured all these years. Not too long ago I was reading her mom's Wall on Facebook, and the family is still in immense pain. I don't know how they get by day to day, not knowing.

Wasn't that story of her being on the beach, with the witness describing her tattoos, eventually debunked?

No moral judgements here. But theres still a type that usually frequents brothels(like you said above, you wouldnt want one in your neigborhood for crime issues) and i think its possible that some people just didnt put any thought into a girl asking for help, or she saw a white sailor who looked military and had a chance to ask for help.


What type of people frequent brothels? I really don't see the point in that judgement and not caring to help somebody in it.

What type of people frequent brothels? I really don't see the point in that judgement and not caring to help somebody in it.
Well, off the top of my head, people that don't give a ****.

I don't know what your talking about with the rest of your statement, so emphasize and i will respond.

Well, off the top of my head, people that don't give a ****.

I don't know what your talking about with the rest of your statement, so emphasize and i will respond.

Well you just basically responded to it. I was trying to make the case about how I don't see how you put two and two together. What basis do you have to say that people who go to brothels don't give a ****? How is that relevant or true? You seem to be making generalizations based on nothing substantial.

Well you just basically responded to it. I was trying to make the case about how I don't see how you put two and two together. What basis do you have to say that people who go to brothels don't give a ****? How is that relevant or true? You seem to be making generalizations based on nothing substantial.
you know what? i dont care. im not on here to argue about this. sorry if i offended you.

To the eyewitness who claimed he saw Amy all I can say is this. He MIGHT be right. But there are people who are good genuine people that make mistakes and swear up and down they saw something that is incorrect. It's happened. What about the one woman who claimed to have seen and even talked to a girl who was missing? It wasn't her. Or the girl at the restaurant who the waitress saw with two shady characters. Maybe it was her, maybe it wasn't. But good people can be wrong too.

I still believe Amy went overboard by accident. I am just not into the whole kidnapping theory. Maybe she was sitting on a rail goofing around with someone and fell in - who knows. She seemed too level headed to do that but again, people on cruises make decisions that they may not make in their regular lives.

I still stick with foul play involved. i dont think she fell over while the ship was pulling into port ( the ship would not be rocking from foul weather that close to port, and a cruise ship that big wouldnt rock too much anyways even if they werent pulling in and close to land) true, she could have been drunk, but i dont think i read anything from her brother or her parents accounts when she came into the room saying she was stumbling around. As for the sightings, im on the fence, but im inclined to believe the navyman just becuase im ex navy myself.

i just saw on new thread article that there was a sighting in a barbados restaurant. i hadn't heard about that.....

has anyone watched this story on 'vanished with beth holloway'? it's amazing that dispite being seen by a couple of girls on the ship- as well as being spotted on an island she's still missing- not to mention alister douglas (http://unitedsoundband.webs.com/bandmembers.htm) still seems to be enjoying his music career.

also, amazing twist that the photos of amy were fakes :(

When were the photos ever proven fake? Can someone provide a link to an article or something along those lines?

On Vanished, I thought the bathroom story seemed really far-fetched. Why would the group of men allow her to wander around and be in the bathroom near where tourists from English-speaking countries like the eyewitness would be? But the photographic evidence seems really compelling.

When were the photos ever proven fake? Can someone provide a link to an article or something along those lines?

On Vanished, I thought the bathroom story seemed really far-fetched. Why would the group of men allow her to wander around and be in the bathroom near where tourists from English-speaking countries like the eyewitness would be? But the photographic evidence seems really compelling.

I'd link to know too!

I recall one pic she was posing in a sexy way and you could even see one of her tatoos! Most all were convinced it was real!

When were the photos ever proven fake? Can someone provide a link to an article or something along those lines?

On Vanished, I thought the bathroom story seemed really far-fetched. Why would the group of men allow her to wander around and be in the bathroom near where tourists from English-speaking countries like the eyewitness would be? But the photographic evidence seems really compelling.

the faked pictures are in the story that was televised. a man contacted the bradly family and said he knew where amy was. he provided pictures of her on the beach (supposedly with a keeper) but it turned out that the girl in the pictures was a woman he had hired to help support his lies. you can see view the episode on this website:

http://www.amybradley.net/

the faked pictures are in the story that was televised. a man contacted the bradly family and said he knew where amy was. he provided pictures of her on the beach (supposedly with a keeper) but it turned out that the girl in the pictures was a woman he had hired to help support his lies. you can see view the episode on this website:

http://www.amybradley.net/
Oh, thanks! I thought you meant the other pictures (with her on the bed, the pictures found on the brothel website). How sad the family was scammed . Reminds me of the Billig case with false reports and demands for money in return for info, etc. It really disgusts me that people would play off of others's agony like that.

Oh, thanks! I thought you meant the other pictures (with her on the bed, the pictures found on the brothel website). How sad the family was scammed . Reminds me of the Billig case with false reports and demands for money in return for info, etc. It really disgusts me that people would play off of others's agony like that.

Yeah, I was talking about that pic from the brothel with her laying down on the bed with tats visible.

Has that been proven fake?

Yeah, I was talking about that pic from the brothel with her laying down on the bed with tats visible.

Has that been proven fake?

I may be in the minority, but I do not think the brothel pictures look anything Amy.

She wasn't found in Caribbean because...it's a large body of water w/ varying currents, weather patterns and ample marine life. There probably wasn't a search in the water until several hours (at least) after the ship went into port and by then the body could dozens of miles away from the initial search area.


If we are to believe the Charley's Project website, the ship was already docked and was very close to land. She was discussing with her brother the possibility to disembarking to buy cigarettes. Doesn't seem like a girl who just came out of partying sick drunk to the point of vomiting.

If she has been abducted she could have been brought out of the ship that very night, or abducted on land, as reported.

Bradley was vacationing with her parents and her brother aboard Royal Caribbean Cruise Line's ship, Rhapsody Of The Seas, during March 1998. She and her brother returned to their cabin at approximately 3:30 a.m. on March 24, 1998 after dancing at the ship's disco. They sat on their suite's balcony until approximately 5:30 a.m. Bradley's brother stayed in the cabin, while she mentioned possibly disembarking at Curacao in the Netherlands Antilles to purchase cigarettes. At 6:00 a.m., two other passengers on the ship saw her riding the elevator to the top deck.

Yeah, I was talking about that pic from the brothel with her laying down on the bed with tats visible.

Has that been proven fake?

as far as i know, those pictures are considered real. you can find all the information available to the public on this website: http://www.amybradley.net/index.htm

as far as i know, those pictures are considered real. you can find all the information available to the public on this website: http://www.amybradley.net/index.htm

I agree. They look quite real.

I just re watched the vanished episode that shows more updates in this case. It also goes to show like many other missing cases it is so hard to distinguish eye witness accounts.

Yes some of the photos were fake but the escort photos do heavily resemble Amy Bradley. Are their any other updates on this case?

this case has also been picked up by beth holloway's vanished (http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/vanished-with-beth-holloway). i noticed today that they've updated the case (filming wise).

There's something I'm a bit confused about. Was the ship docked when she disappeared, or close to docking? Either way, isn't it possible that she could have died from falling on impact with the water?

There's something I'm a bit confused about. Was the ship docked when she disappeared, or close to docking? Either way, isn't it possible that she could have died from falling on impact with the water?

They hadn't docked yet. Amy's website says:

The cruise ship was near docking procedures into port in the island of Curacao, Netherlands Antilles, the Caribbean.

http://www.amybradley.net/story.htm

were the supposed pics of Amy working in a brothel fake or not? one poster sais they were;I'm confused...

I don't think the brothel pictures were ever definitely debunked. IIRC the pictures of a woman with tattoos on a beach were proved to be fakes set up by someone trying to scam the family.

I don't think the brothel pictures were ever definitely debunked. IIRC the pictures of a woman with tattoos on a beach were proved to be fakes set up by someone trying to scam the family.

I've never seen the similarities that others have seen with the brothel pictures and Amy. The woman looks to be somewhat hispanic, IMO, and looks nothing like Amy.

Have you guys watched Vanished with Beth Holloway? The episode on Amy Bradley was interesting, as two witnesses said they saw Amy after she disappeared. One was a woman who says she met Amy in a bathroom in a mall. "Amy" was crying inside the bathroom, while two men stood and waited for her outside.

The next witness, a man, claimed he saw "Amy" on a beach, and she look concerned. Suddenly two men came out of nowhere and dragged her with them. It's on the forbidden site.

were the supposed pics of Amy working in a brothel fake or not? one poster sais they were;I'm confused...


I think you are mixed up.

The only alleged pictures of her were on a beach. They didn't show her face but tattoos matched. It was later learned it was a hoax in an attempt to fool the family into giving money to a scumbag fake investigator.

There was a US military member that thinks he met her in a brothel, but there was not any pictures.

EDIT: Of course theres the one from Dr Phil, but I am quite certain it is not her, FBI analyzed it, it wasn't really close

I think the beach photos turned out to be a scam. The ones showed on the dr Phil show could have resembled her a little but I don't really feel like it was her but either way was hard to tell for sure.

I think you are mixed up.

The only alleged pictures of her were on a beach. They didn't show her face but tattoos matched. It was later learned it was a hoax in an attempt to fool the family into giving money to a scumbag fake investigator.

There was a US military member that thinks he met her in a brothel, but there was not any pictures.

EDIT: Of course theres the one from Dr Phil, but I am quite certain it is not her, FBI analyzed it, it wasn't really close

The ones from Dr. Phil are the brothel pictures. And I'm pretty sure the FBI said they couldn't definitively say that the photos weren't Amy.

The ones from Dr. Phil are the brothel pictures. And I'm pretty sure the FBI said they couldn't definitively say that the photos weren't Amy.
that's what I recall as well.It certainly does look like it could be her,imo.and that she was positioned to hide her tattoos.

Posted my opinion regarding this book in another thread here: http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=4909905&postcount=31

An odd case indeed. Did she fall off the boat? was she kidnapped and taken off the boat? is she still alive? if not, did she die on the boat or when they left or was she pushed off the boat? i think she died, likely due to some sick guy who raped and killed her and either put her over the boat or he kidnapped her and killed her later.

Those who follow Amy Bradley's case should be aware of a very disappointing activity involving Amy. An X-rated, romance novel has been written based on Amy's tragic kidnapping. Alana Albertson should be ashamed of herself for writing Invincible - The Trident Code. She has copied the tragic story of Amy Bradley, an American woman who was kidnapped from a Royal Caribbean cruise ship in Curacao, in 1998. She uses facts and details that have come directly from Amy's case. On her website, Ms. Albertson actually admitted that she repeatedly watched documentaries about Amy's disappearance, every week for years. The Bradley family is heartbroken that Amy's story has been turned into a trashy graphic romance novel were Amy is portrayed as a prostitute, heroin addict, and the mother of a child who was the result of a rape by her pimp. Please do not purchase this book and please do not allow Ms. Albertson to profit from Amy Bradley's tragic kidnapping. Amy's case remains an open investigation with the US Justice Department. Shame on Alana Albertson.

I agree in full.

This review (http://www.amazon.com/review/R1PFTLPCF6IP7C/ref=cm_cr_pr_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00IW8ADMW#wasThisHelpful) seems to lay it all out.

Odd that most people decided to down-vote the review and ignore the central point, though.

I can see the resemblance more now with the merged pics than i saw before. This case definitely needs to be solved.

I'm not being flippant when I ask this, but what exactly would the purpose be to transport Amy from country to country, especially back to the United States? Wouldn't this be an extremely difficult thing to accomplish, considering she would need multiple fake passports, not to mention (on her return to the US) had a huge opportunity to scream she was kidnapped and she was Amy Bradley (at an airport full of TSA agents and the general public)? If the goal of these men was to abduct an American woman to be sold into a sex slave ring, what are the odds that Amy would be fully cooperative and never once try to escape? I get that she could have been drugged to get her off the boat, but eventually the drugs would have wore off and she could have become extremely frantic and been kicking, screaming, and clawing at her "captors" in an attempt to escape...doesn't this seem like an awful lot of trouble to go through? How would these people know they would be able to manipulate, and in effect, brainwash Amy into submission? Especially if these were the same men who tried coaxing her into going to a nightclub once the boat docked. She flat out rebuffed them. She doesn't seem like the type of woman who would be easily manipulated, let alone accept her fate in a slave ring without a fight. JMO of course, but I think the whole idea of her being sold into some sort of slave ring is rather silly.

I'm not being flippant when I ask this, but what exactly would the purpose be to transport Amy from country to country, especially back to the United States? .

I've debated over whether or not I should bring this up because I honestly don't want to stir up a lot of drama. But I think you all should know that "Find Amy" claims to be an insider who is connected to the Bradley family (she has never said how she is connected to them specifically). At least, that is what she claimed over on Websleuths. They listed her as a Verified Insider. Find Amy claims that Amy was taken for some special purpose, but when pressed, she will not tell us what that purpose is. And most of our suggestions (prostitution, drug mule, child bearing) are shot down by her. Find Amy also left WS because she claimed that the men who took Amy were watching the board and trying to get to her. WS later shut the thread down completely for over a year when some of us began to doubt the claims of this "verified insider." (Because WS can't have anyone questioning their ways, you know :rolleyes: ). Find Amy has also been banned from Justice Quest, but I do not know the reason behind that.

Personally I believed her and her supposed info at first, but now I have my doubts. I think she is someone who makes the rounds wherever this case is discussed to garner more attention for herself. I may be completely wrong about that, and I apologize if so, but I would caution you all to take the info she gives out with a grain of salt. I've come to doubt the convoluted theory that Amy was drugged, taken off the ship (maybe in a laundry cart), sold into prostitution, held and humiliated, and taken to several different countries. I think the real answer is probably much more simple than that.

I do think the guy called "Yellow" is suspicious. On WS, it has been theorized that maybe he drugged her when she went up ship to get coffee and she overdosed. Or maybe they struggled and he accidentally killed her and her body was either hidden on board or thrown overboard.

It has also been theorized that Amy left of her own accord. I'm starting to entertain that possibility in my mind (I was literally lying in bed thinking about this case last night).

I don't think she walked away. I'd believe suicide before I believed she walked away. She'd have put shoes on.

The media is responsible for the hype about Amy being a prostitute. There are additional reasons why woman are victims of human trafficking. When Amy has been seen, she has been in good physical condition. She has been dressed well. She has been heavily guarded by two to five men. Prostitutes don't usually require guards. The image of her in the escort resort was probably staged to make it appear that she is a prostitute.


What are the additional reasons? Drug mule seems unlikely as she'd need her passport and having a highly publicized missing persons traveling frequently is not smart. So why do you think she was taken?

I don't think she walked away. I'd believe suicide before I believed she walked away. She'd have put shoes on.


Some reports say that she was wearing shoes. I'm not sure that it is accurate to say she had no shoes.

But yeah, I do kind of think that if she were going to leave on her own, she would have taken a few things with her like money, shoes, etc. Also, I believe that when she disappeared, the ship was not docked yet. So it would not be a good time to try to leave because, well, you can't just walk off a ship that is still out in the water.


What are the additional reasons? Drug mule seems unlikely as she'd need her passport and having a highly publicized missing persons traveling frequently is not smart. So why do you think she was taken?

Yes, please tell us what other reasons she might have been taken and why she would require armed guards.

I'm sure they have probably given her a fake passport.

Amy Lynn Bradley was reported missing in the early morning hours of March 24, 1998. She was last seen by family members sitting on the balcony outside their cabin, aboard the Rhapsody of the Seas cruise ship. The ship was docking in Willemstad, Curacao when Amy was last seen. The investigation is ongoing. Amy has been sighted numerous times in the Caribbean where it is believed that she has been used as a smuggling mule.


A new passport doesn't change her face.

http://tinyurl.com/m74jpy4


If you were placed inactive on websleuths for your own safety, I'm not sure posting in a less moderated forum under the same name is the best idea. We often have people involved in the cases post here, relatives and friends of both victims and perps. And I suspect more than post, lurk.

Amy has been sighted numerous times in the Caribbean where it is believed that she has been used as a smuggling mule.

I'm sorry, but this makes zero sense. Abducting an American woman against her will to make her a smuggler as opposed to simply hiring a local impoverished person to do the job is downright foolish, IMO. And if she has "handlers" around her at all times, wouldn't this mean the smugglers would have to pay these "handlers" too? Why not just use one local who wouldn't require the use of handlers or make any attempt to flee or seek help?

I left a comment for the author of that artcicle on Amy. 90% of it is word for word from me.


http://www.truecrimediva.com/2012/09/evil-at-sea-disappearance-of-amy-bradley.html


Where are your citations and references? You have helped yourself to a large amount of information from the Websleuths forum and you have not given reference credit to your source who was the verified insider.

Perhaps you could also explain why you feel that you are entitled to case sensitive information.

The Verified Insider

A) That link does not work.

B) If that person has case sensitive information from the Websleuths thread, it is because you have given it out.

I don't see anything wrong with that article. Yes, they used info that YOU put out there on WS, but so what? You just said that it is good for people to be discussing Amy's case and for info to be given to the public. The above article would be a means to that end. They did not quote you directly or use your exact words; just a summary of the info that you gave out.
Surely you don't expect people to read about this case but never talk about it except on a forum where you can control the flow of information, do you?

88keys, I don't understand how you would know that the Verified Insider wasn't quoted directly. You have been very critical of FindAmy on this forum and the things you have been saying simply aren't accurate. You might not like FindAmy, but you certainly have no reason or right to defame or discredit this person. You have posted some very inappropriate things and made some very inaccurate accusations about the person who works with the Bradley family.

Is more than one person using the FindAmy account? Why are you speaking in third person?

So these handlers aren't doing a very good job at concealing Amy, are they?

88keys, I don't understand how you would know that the Verified Insider wasn't quoted directly. You have been very critical of FindAmy on this forum and the things you have been saying simply aren't accurate. You might not like FindAmy, but you certainly have no reason or right to defame or discredit this person. You have posted some very inappropriate things and made some very inaccurate accusations about the person who works with the Bradley family.

What, what? You are posting as Find Amy, using the EXACT same posting style, avatar, and email address as her, but you are not her? If you are not the real Find Amy, then who are you and why are you posting as her?

And what have I said that was inappropriate? I said I do not believe that FA is really an insider and that what she says should be taken with a grain of salt. How is that inappropriate? If you are a WS regular who has wandered over here, I think you will find that this forum is not as strictly regulated as that one is. Here people are allowed to think for themselves and express their opinions, even negative ones, without fear of being moderated or banned. I have not broken any rules.

Finally, I find it odd that a person who literally left WS because she was afraid that the bad guys who took Amy were following her and were out to get her would show up on other forums (Justice Quest, then here) using the exact same name and avatar. I find it even more odd that, when confronted, that person would say "No, I'm not really Find Amy, the verified insider!"

Color me confused...:crazy:

The Bradley family very much believes that Amy is still alive and remains captive.

This is an ongoing investigation with the FBI, US Marshals, Interpol, and other law enforcement agencies.



Then why has Amy's FBI page been taken down?

Three posters at Websleuths repeatedly claimed that Scientologists were responsible for Amy's disappearance, regardless of what I attempted to explain and regardless of how I tried to stop the posts. This Scientology information is inaccurate. Because of statements that were made about Scientology being involved with Amy's disappearance, the Bradley family received a letter of cease and desist with threats of financial action, from Scientology officials. The Bradleys really don't need this aggravation. This was one of several vicious rumors started on Websleuths.

I don't understand why Amy's family were sent Cease and Desist letters from the Scientologists because some strangers on the internet were discussing whether or not that group was involved. Why was the family threatened over something they didn't do/say and had no control over? They can't possibly be expected to police the internet to protect the Scientologists from gossip.

Could you please elaborate on why Amy's family were targeted? Was it a theory they initially believed but retracted and then the internet ran with it, so they are being blamed?

I am the only poster posting as FindAmy. I can only imagine, in my opinion, that Websleuths was uncomfortable with a situation that was discovered and decided that it was not safe for me to be there. I'm sorry, but I can't explain more to you.



I find it even more odd that, when confronted, that person would say "No, I'm not really Find Amy, the verified insider!"

I have never said this. I am FindAmy. Can you show me where this was said?

You are posting using her name and avatar. And in your above post, you said that WS decided "it was not safe for ME to be there." You seem to be indicating that WS decided it was not safe for Find Amy to be there, and you refer to Find Amy as "me," but then say you are not really her? You're not making sense.

I think you need to decide who you are and post appropriately. :lol:

I don't understand why Amy's family were sent Cease and Desist letters from the Scientologists because some strangers on the internet were discussing whether or not that group was involved. Why was the family threatened over something they didn't do/say and had no control over? They can't possibly be expected to police the internet to protect the Scientologists from gossip.

?

Actually, I can believe that. These are $cientologists we are talking about, after all. :D

Three posters at Websleuths were insisting that Amy had been kidnapped by Scientologists and the Sea Org. Regardless of requests for the posters to stop and removal of posts by admins, the forum was open at the time and Scientology was not happy. The Scientology yacht was docked close to the Bradley's cruise ship in Curacao when Amy disappeared. I am not part of Scientology, but they are very sensitive about accusations involving Amy Bradley. Scientology is not involved with Amy's kidnapping.


You just targeted them for more harassment by the Co$ by posting this. You realize that, don't you? By relating the story that was not discussed at all here, you've spread the rumor (even if you're denying it) to another source and opened up the Bradleys to being served with a cease and desist again. Please think before you post.

I am FindAmy and I have never said I wasn't FindAmy. I would like to request that you not direct any more posts to me. There are a lot of threads at tis forum. Perhaps you could be interested in one where I am not posting.


You were speaking of FindAmy in the third person.

This tends to lead to confusion.

I am FindAmy and I have never said I wasn't FindAmy. I would like to request that you not direct any more posts to me. There are a lot of threads at tis forum. Perhaps you could be interested in one where I am not posting.

I'm sorry, but you don't get to tell me where to post. I am interested in this case and this thread. I'm sorry if I misunderstood one of your earlier posts; I thought you were indicating that you WEREN'T Find Amy. It is confusing when you refer to yourself in the 3rd person like this.

Originally Posted by FindAmy
88keys, I don't understand how you would know that the Verified Insider wasn't quoted directly. You have been very critical of FindAmy on this forum and the things you have been saying simply aren't accurate. You might not like FindAmy, but you certainly have no reason or right to defame or discredit this person. You have posted some very inappropriate things and made some very inaccurate accusations about the person who works with the Bradley family.



And again, I ask you to show me what I posted that was "innapropriate," or where I made "inaccurate accusations."

Amy was seen in Barbados on March 1, 2005. The witness encountered Amy in the bathroom of a department store, but Amy was actually seen three times that day. Amy was seen with four "handlers". They were intially seen standing in the cash register line at the Del Sol store on Broad Street, in a department store restroom, and walking on the sidewalk a block away from Broad Street. The witness described Amy as walking with the four men completely surrounding her.I'm sorry, this is ridiculous. What is so bloody special about this woman? What is it that they are supposedly using her for that absolutely no one else can do? Assuming these stories of Amy being seen with 'handlers' are true :rolleyes: they are going through an awful lot of hassle when it would just be a lot easier to, you know, not. So why her?

Thank you for making a point of not answering a direct question. Saying so little says a lot. So do we just ignore you from now on are you going to admit that the only reason you're posting at this point is to remind everyone that you exist?

Not to mention the sightings are not new they were mentioned on vanished.

http://missingpersonsnetwork.org/2011/08/self-proclaimed-soldier-of-fortune-deceives-family-of-missing-woman-amy-lynn-bradley-part-two/

And if this is the photographer that was mentioned he was a fraud.

Not to mention the sightings are not new they were mentioned on vanished.

http://missingpersonsnetwork.org/2011/08/self-proclaimed-soldier-of-fortune-deceives-family-of-missing-woman-amy-lynn-bradley-part-two/

And if this is the photographer that was mentioned he was a fraud.

I always thought this was such a sad, terrible thing to do to a family. Mr. Jones deserves a twofold butt-kicking: one for so depravedly keeping this charade going to scam the Bradleys out of thousands of dollars, and two for lying about being SF.

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/20...ence_dr_ph.php


I found this link up thread about Amy . these picks found online might be her.

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/20...ence_dr_ph.php


I found this link up thread about Amy . these picks found online might be her.

That link does not work.

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/ 2005/11/hyscience_dr_ph.php

copy and paste that and remove the spaces

I'm sorry, this is ridiculous. What is so bloody special about this woman? What is it that they are supposedly using her for that absolutely no one else can do? Assuming these stories of Amy being seen with 'handlers' are true :rolleyes: they are going through an awful lot of hassle when it would just be a lot easier to, you know, not. So why her?

Thank you. I agree 100%. It makes zero sense for Amy Bradley (an American woman on a cruise ship with her family) would be held in such high regard to continue to shield her away and hold her captive for over 15 years.

This thread is a little confusing but either way I hope they find amy and solve the case once and for all.

Can I just say that you guys are awesome and smart and I love this forum? <hugs>

I am not up on the current status of this case and have not yet had time to go through he whole thread. But am I the only one who just doesn't see much, if any resemblance, in that brothel photo? Maybe a little tiny bit of likeness in the nose and even less in the eyes. I just do not see it. If I knew nothing about this case and saw the brothel picture and a picture of Amy side by side, I would never think they were he same person.

That being said, with the last bit of news I heard on this case, I do think there is a chance she is still alive. Easiest explanation is falling off the boat though. But so far as I know, there is nothing conclusive either way.

Understood. I'll read through the whole thread when time allows. If she is still with us, and I hope she is, I hope she can be found and reunited with her family some day.

I am not up on the current status of this case and have not yet had time to go through he whole thread. But am I the only one who just doesn't see much, if any resemblance, in that brothel photo? Maybe a little tiny bit of likeness in the nose and even less in the eyes. I just do not see it. If I knew nothing about this case and saw the brothel picture and a picture of Amy side by side, I would never think they were he same person.

That being said, with the last bit of news I heard on this case, I do think there is a chance she is still alive. Easiest explanation is falling off the boat though. But so far as I know, there is nothing conclusive either way.

I never could see a resemblance either. And that picture looks like it is from about 1986.

FindAmy,

I see by your postings that there are quite a few sightings happening here. All of them in different parts of the world. May I ask how so many of these reports are being verified so well? Especially to the point of the FBI sending a sketch artist. A lot of missing persons cases have sightings all over but rarely with enough credibility for the FBI to go to these lengths.

Also, is the theory that these handlers are just traveling around to all parts of the world trafficking her? I have never heard of traffickers going to such lengths.

I am not doubting the sightings or incidents you are posting (as I said they obviously have some credentials to back them up to authorities), I am just curious about these developments s all.

The pic looks like it could be amy but so many questions remain. I've always wondered how they would get her off the ship without some kind of scene. Maybe she was drugged.

I wonder if the family has more pics of amy to compare to the one from online? Also did law enforcement try to find details on the girl from the online pic? She was probably moved after the pic leaked and the theories developed.

Those railings don't look as high as others have stated previously.

FindAmy,

I can't imagine what you have endured, I hope Amy is found and the case can be resolved.

Here's what I don't understand.

Why would the Bradleys be served a cease and desist** letter for comments made about Scientology by other people on someone else's message board? The letter would have gone to the owners or administrators of the website that hosted the forum, not the Bradleys. Talk about a toothless threat.

**or as Tamra Barney would say: a cyst and deceased letter. :lol:

I saw this case on Vanished and I've been fascinated by it.

Why would the CoS go after the family? If people were discussing it on other sites, then wouldn't they just go after the site owners? It's not the family's fault that people discuss the case. Weird.

Welcome, Finnegan! :wave:

Welcome, Finnegan! :wave:

Thanks 88keys! I'm happy to be here! :wave:

But the accusations were not made by the Bradley family. Correct? So why would the Bradleys receive a cease and desist letter?

But the accusations were not made by the Bradley family. Correct? So why would the Bradleys receive a cease and desist letter?


I'm confused too. That doesn't make sense. The family have no legal responsibility for what's discussed on the web by random strangers. That just doesn't seem right. The site owners are the ones who they would go for if they thought they could sue.

I havn't read this whole thread but if it was FindAmy who stated that the Bradley family received a cease and desist letter, I would take that with a grain of salt. Although she claims to be an insider and a voice for the Bradley family, I don't believe her. She has been banned from several forums and I really would not believe anything she says. In fact, most of the information she gives, can be found on the internet yourself. She just repeats and rehashes what is already out there.

I havn't read this whole thread but if it was FindAmy who stated that the Bradley family received a cease and desist letter, I would take that with a grain of salt. Although she claims to be an insider and a voice for the Bradley family, I don't believe her. She has been banned from several forums and I really would not believe anything she says. In fact, most of the information she gives, can be found on the internet yourself. She just repeats and rehashes what is already out there.

Now that explains the weirdness. Kinda sad that it's done with a missing person's case.

I havn't read this whole thread but if it was FindAmy who stated that the Bradley family received a cease and desist letter, I would take that with a grain of salt. Although she claims to be an insider and a voice for the Bradley family, I don't believe her. She has been banned from several forums and I really would not believe anything she says. In fact, most of the information she gives, can be found on the internet yourself. She just repeats and rehashes what is already out there.

:( Then I feel bad for the Bradleys. I wonder if they know about any of this...

:( Then I feel bad for the Bradleys. I wonder if they know about any of this...

I really have no idea. She claims to be in contact with them. But who really knows. I just read this entire thread and many longtime posters on this board have questioned and confronted her too. She posts and re-posts information that is already out there while continuing to defend against rumors and innuendo. There was a thread on reddit recently in which a poster jimbob gives quite a bit behind the scenes of what he really thinks happened. He has been in touch with the family. His post makes a lot of sense. Funny how she ran when he started posting.

Anyway...Back to Amy. Curious as to why the FBI has removed all traces of Amy Bradley from their website. They had her under missing persons up until last year. She is now gone from their website. Her picture, contact information Everything gone. Wonder why this is? Does the FBI still think she is missing?

I can't figure out why she's been removed from the FBI site, either! And yet she is still listed on Interpol, which I think gets its info (on Americans) from the Dept of Justice. Do they not coordinate amongst themselves?

Not surprised she ran. She's probably afraid that Jimbob person would call her out. How creepy that someone would do that with a missing person case.

They removed her from their site? That's very very weird. I doubt they just drop cases like that for no reason at all. Could they know something in this case and that's why they removed her? They have missing persons listed who have been gone much longer than Amy. :(

Thanks for updating about Interpol. So glad she is still listed there. I have no idea why the FBI would remove her picture and contact info. It just doesn't make sense...and you are right Finnegan. They have missing persons listed much older then Amy. I just wonder if they know something?

Amy's mother has pictures of Amy on her facebook page along with the fact that she is still missing. So not sure what happened with the FBI.

I have removed my posts pertaining to Amy Bradley. Thank you for your interest in Amy.

???????????????????

That's her MO. She actively posts until she is called out. Then she removes her posts and says "Thank you for your interest in finding Amy." She has done this on other boards. Sad really. I think the family should be notified that she is doing this. She is doing a serious disservice to this case. She recently did this to her reddit thread. Now the thread looks all chopped up and makes no sense because she removed all of her posts.

I actually think FINDAMY gives good insight to the case. My frustration lies with her saying stuff like do to safety reasons I cannot talk about that. She is only willing to talk about previous sightings. Which lets be honest its been 14 years since she has last been seen. I don't buy this for her safety reasons. I truly believe she knows nothing more then what she has read all over the internet. Which by the way we all have read too.

What in the world?

That's very bizarre. If there are safety reasons then why talk about it at all? Your theory on this craziness sounds more likely than any other explanation lisa44. They're working for the family? How does that behavior help them with their search?

Color me confused.

Wow, nice way to treat everyone here who cares about Amy. And apparently all for the cheap thrill of trolling. Unbelievable.

:goaway:


I'm thinking with new or suspicious posters, we might want to quote them in our replies. There's a couple cases here where someone posts some big info, gets asked a few innocuous questions, then they delete their posts and never come back.

I think one case was Angela Hammond's, where that happened. Another regular poster having quoted the original really helped with the continuity of the thread after the newbie deleted and left.

Wow, nice way to treat everyone here who cares about Amy. And apparently all for the cheap thrill of trolling. Unbelievable.

:goaway:


I'm thinking with new or suspicious posters, we might want to quote them in our replies. There's a couple cases here where someone posts some big info, gets asked a few innocuous questions, then they delete their posts and never come back.

I think one case was Angela Hammond's, where that happened. Another regular poster having quoted the original really helped with the continuity of the thread after the newbie deleted and left.






In case you are interested, my posts have been removed because I am being harassed by posters at Sitcoms. I have done nothing to these posters and the Bradleys have done nothing to these posters. We don't even know these posters with their low post counts. These posters are essentially calling me a fraud and they are saying that the Bradleys are not reporting truthful information about Amy. I simply have no desire to stay at Sitcoms now, nor do I want to see our information about Amy at this forum. This has all been reported to the Sitcoms moderators. At least I was polite and thanked you for your interest in Amy.

In case you are interested, my posts have been removed because I am being harassed by posters at Sitcoms. I have done nothing to these posters and the Bradleys have done nothing to these posters. We don't even know these posters with their low post counts. These posters are essentially calling me a fraud and they are saying that the Bradleys are not reporting truthful information about Amy. I simply have no desire to stay at Sitcoms now, nor do I want to see our information about Amy at this forum. This has all been reported to the Sitcoms moderators. At least I was polite and thanked you for your interest in Amy.

I've not seen anything where anybody accused Amy's family of not reporting truthful information. Nobody here has been disrespectful to her family.

In case you are interested, my posts have been removed because I am being harassed by posters at Sitcoms. I have done nothing to these posters and the Bradleys have done nothing to these posters. We don't even know these posters with their low post counts. These posters are essentially calling me a fraud and they are saying that the Bradleys are not reporting truthful information about Amy. I simply have no desire to stay at Sitcoms now, nor do I want to see our information about Amy at this forum. This has all been reported to the Sitcoms moderators. At least I was polite and thanked you for your interest in Amy.

You all should also know that this person claimed that the people who had Amy were watching her over on WS. She was asked to leave "for her own safety." She also recently deleted all her posts over on Reddit because someone disagreed with her and called her out.

I agree that she is just re-hashing info that has already been released, and that the reason she doesn't release information past 2005 is because she doesn't have any. There have been no sightings since then. And her theory that Amy has been kept alive for 20 years for some nefarious purpose that cannot be revealed to the public is ridiculous.

You all should also know that this person claimed that the people who had Amy were watching her over on WS. She was asked to leave "for her own safety." She also recently deleted all her posts over on Reddit because someone disagreed with her and called her out.

I agree that she is just re-hashing info that has already been released, and that the reason she doesn't release information past 2005 is because she doesn't have any. There have been no sightings since then. And her theory that Amy has been kept alive for 20 years for some nefarious purpose that cannot be revealed to the public is ridiculous.

These kidnappers are sure busy. They've got to surround their victim with handlers at all times when they take her from tourist spot to tourist spot but they somehow find the time to monitor talk on the web. :lol:

The insanity in this case should stop. If there aren't any current sightings then so be it. That show with Natalie Holloway's mom was a really good show because it brought this case into the spotlight again. Maybe the FBI should release more info if they really do have it. It sounds to me like they do not.

I'd like to see this episode of UM. I wonder how it differs from the Holloway show.

In case you are interested, my posts have been removed because I am being harassed by posters at Sitcoms. I have done nothing to these posters and the Bradleys have done nothing to these posters. We don't even know these posters with their low post counts. These posters are essentially calling me a fraud and they are saying that the Bradleys are not reporting truthful information about Amy. I simply have no desire to stay at Sitcoms now, nor do I want to see our information about Amy at this forum. This has all been reported to the Sitcoms moderators. At least I was polite and thanked you for your interest in Amy.

1) That's unfortunate about harassment. I'm glad you reported it.

2) What do you mean you (plural) don't know "these posters"? You're not entitled to know who posters are, regardless of their post count. For good reason. Just as we are not entitled to know your info and therefore you enjoy the same anonymity. People have low post counts for a number of reasons. They are just as entitled to post as anyone else. Mods, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Amy's case is not as high profile as many others, but there are people who care and want to discuss it. All this "insider" drama does not help Amy's cause. Facts are being distorted.

Finnegan, I'd love to see the UM episode, too! Hopefully some day UM will be rebroadcast. And it would be great if a reputable investigative news program such as Dateline featured Amy's case. I wonder if the Bradleys have reached out.

In case you are interested, my posts have been removed because I am being harassed by posters at Sitcoms. I have done nothing to these posters and the Bradleys have done nothing to these posters. We don't even know these posters with their low post counts. These posters are essentially calling me a fraud and they are saying that the Bradleys are not reporting truthful information about Amy. I simply have no desire to stay at Sitcoms now, nor do I want to see our information about Amy at this forum. This has all been reported to the Sitcoms moderators. At least I was polite and thanked you for your interest in Amy.

Posters here are harassing you? I don't think so. I've been here for years. There have been arguments between posters, longstanding disagreements between posters, but I've never witnessed any actual harassment. Posters who are only here for the purpose of making trouble are banned. This board is well moderated, so no, I don't believe you have been harassed by any of us.

I see that folks who know you from other boards are saying you make the "I am being harassed" claim all over the web. If people are harassing you, why do you think that is? Why are you so special and deserving of harassment when the rest of us who are very vocal on certain cases, even controversial ones, are never bothered by other posters who disagree with us?

You have "no desire to stay at SO now". What a surprise, it seems you do that everywhere you post online.

And you say: "nor do I want to see our information about Amy at this forum". That right there is an admission that you have no interest in actually discovering what has happened to Amy and you are in it for all the attention it brings to YOU. If you cared about Amy's disappearance, you'd leave the info available in the forums and bow out so that others could take the information and use it in a positive way for Amy's case.

Now that I've stated all this on a public forum, you can once again claim that you are being "harassed" by SO members. Go whine to the overworked mods some more, I'm sure your complaints are much "appreciated" by the kind folks who volunteer to manage this community.

What I find alarming is how you state "the Bradleys". It is like you know them personally or you are working for the family.

And everyone on this site, each poster would agree that we would all like to see Amy found and her family have closure.

I've seen people disagree on threads, have different strong opinions but that it isn't personal.

I'm bothered by the claims that someone thinks they own the information in a missing person's case. That is so weird and even creepy.

I'm bothered by the claims that someone thinks they own the information in a missing person's case. That is so weird and even creepy.

Yep that is why I question why she speaks like she knows the family personally. I can see a interest in the case as many of us have. We would all like to know what happened that morning.

Yep that is why I question why she speaks like she knows the family personally. I can see a interest in the case as many of us have. We would all like to know what happened that morning.

I sure hope this FindAmy entity isn't someone who knows and speaks for the family. Not with the contentious, combative attitude that's been displayed. Amy and her family deserve much better. I wish them nothing but the best possible resolution.

I sure hope this FindAmy entity isn't someone who knows and speaks for the family. Not with the contentious, combative attitude that's been displayed. Amy and her family deserve much better. I wish them nothing but the best possible resolution.

I also hope she/he's not connected. I just read about this case on reddit, and they're doing the same exact weird thing over there too. They complain about others, say they're leaving and then come back to continue attacking people. I haven't seen anybody attacking them, so it seems to come from nowhere.

You all do realize FindAmy has been verified by Ron and Iva Bradley at JQ And WS as someone who works very close to them about the disappearance of their daughter? The administrators know this. There is a reason why FindAmy is very discreet and is very protective over Amy's case information.

You all do realize FindAmy has been verified by Ron and Iva Bradley at JQ And WS as someone who works very close to them about the disappearance of their daughter? The administrators know this. There is a reason why FindAmy is very discreet and is very protective over Amy's case information.

WS does not say how or why FindAmy has been verified. Until they explain exactly what criteria made her a verified insider, I am unconvinced. And she was asked to leave WS and was banned from JQ, so again...not convinced.

You all do realize FindAmy has been verified by Ron and Iva Bradley at JQ And WS as someone who works very close to them about the disappearance of their daughter? The administrators know this. There is a reason why FindAmy is very discreet and is very protective over Amy's case information.

If that's true, then someone needs to inform the Bradley's that their verified insider who "works very close with them" on Amy's case is running around the internet, making the case all out themselves, and pizzing off the people who want to help.

He/She is going to multiple discussion forums acting concerned at first, then acting weird, then deleting his/her posts that contain the information people were using to discuss the case. How is deleting posts containing important information at all helpful to keeping Amy's disappearance at the forefront of people's minds and keeping the discussion going, which may at some point, spark someone's memory or lead to some clues?

By removing the information he/she is sabotaging the case and making it all about him/herself, hence here we are talking about this poster when we should be talking about Amy. If the Bradley's really do trust this person, they've made a mistake and have have invited a viper in their midst.

If that's true, then someone needs to inform the Bradley's that their verified insider who "works very close with them" on Amy's case is running around the internet, making the case all out themselves, and pizzing off the people who want to help.

He/She is going to multiple discussion forums acting concerned at first, then acting weird, then deleting his/her posts that contain the information people were using to discuss the case. How is deleting posts containing important information at all helpful to keeping Amy's disappearance at the forefront of people's minds and keeping the discussion going, which may at some point, spark someone's memory or lead to some clues?

By removing the information he/she is sabotaging the case and making it all about him/herself, hence here we are talking about this poster when we should be talking about Amy. If the Bradley's really do trust this person, they've made a mistake and have have invited a viper in their midst.

Sad that someone made a case like this all about themselves. That would anger me beyond words if that was my family member's case.

Fascinating from a psych standpoint but creepy as hell.

TracyLynnS is correct. FindAmy's behavior has been nothing short of perplexing, confusing, and detrimental. This thread is supposed to be about Amy Bradley, a missing young woman who will hopefully be found someday. This poster has instead derailed the discussion most noticeably by claiming to have been attacked when no such attacks were made.

I, too, would like to know WS' criteria for verifying an "insider."

I, too, would like to know WS' criteria for verifying an "insider."

I don't know all of the criteria that WS uses when determining to make someone a "verified insider" but I know how the process begins.

On one local case, I had some information that wasn't publicly available. I couldn't post it because I wasn't a verified insider but they agreed to talk to me to see if I qualified so the info could be shared.

It included me PMing my phone number to a mod who was fairly local to me. The mod called and I gave that person all the info I had on the case and explained how I knew this info. They decided that I wasn't close enough to the case (relative, for example) to be verified as an "insider" so that process went no further. They did decide that my info was good, and allowed it to be posted the forum.

WS does not say how or why FindAmy has been verified. Until they explain exactly what criteria made her a verified insider, I am unconvinced. And she was asked to leave WS and was banned from JQ, so again...not convinced.

FindAmy was verified by Iva And Ron Bradley them self. FA posted the screencaps of the administrators stating this. Fun fact: A justice-quest administrator posted that FindAmy was verified at JQ during the whole ridiculous witch hunt JQ members were doing. But it mysteriously disappeared. FA posted the screencap, and that just proved to me JQ is a complete and utter joke. The mods deleted it because they are bullies who don't like being proven wrong. And it's clear why FA was banned. Because he/she was giving information they didn't like and didn't fit with their ''fall off the ship'' narrative they created. FindAmy had to leave WS due to safety reasons. I know why, however i am not sure if I'm aloud to say.

FindAmy was verified by Iva And Ron Bradley them self. FA posted the screencaps of the administrators stating this. Fun fact: A justice-quest administrator posted that FindAmy was verified at JQ during the whole ridiculous witch hunt JQ members were doing. But it mysteriously disappeared. FA posted the screencap, and that just proved to me JQ is a complete and utter joke. The mods deleted it because they are bullies who don't like being proven wrong. And it's clear why FA was banned. Because he/she was giving information they didn't like and didn't fit with their ''fall off the ship'' narrative they created. FindAmy had to leave WS due to safety reasons. I know why, however i am not sure if I'm aloud to say.

A) If that is true, then link to the WS Screencaps, please.

B) Her being a VI doesn't mean much to me when her behavior has been so bizarre and combative. She is not helping this case; she is detrimental to it, IMO.

I've considered emailing the Bradleys, if possible, to let them know this is going on, but I feel like I don't want to add to their distress, you know?

You all do realize FindAmy has been verified by Ron and Iva Bradley at JQ And WS as someone who works very close to them about the disappearance of their daughter? The administrators know this. There is a reason why FindAmy is very discreet and is very protective over Amy's case information.

It is interesting that you've only just registered today, just a couple of weeks after FindAmy deleted all of her posts. But I'm sure that is as much of a coincidence as FA running off after several people noted that she has no information to offer about the case that the rest of us don't already know, despite claiming to work 'very close to' Amy's family. Do carry on.

It is interesting that you've only just registered today, just a couple of weeks after FindAmy deleted all of her posts. But I'm sure that is as much of a coincidence as FA running off after several people noted that she has no information to offer about the case that the rest of us don't already know, despite claiming to work 'very close to' Amy's family. Do carry on.

You know nothing about FindAmy nor what he/she posted on Reddit or the reason why she/he decided to all his/her posts. FindAmy chose to delete her posts because trolls and radical posters were discussing and bringing up incorrect information FindAmy spent weeks on Reddit correcting. FA posted A LOT of contributing very valuable and important info we never knew before. If you were there you would already know this. And she/he made the the decision to delete the posts so these people don't have any information to corrupt. Amy Bradley is a victim of human trafficking. This is NOT a game. Amy and her family do not need armchair investigators discussing an ''overboard coverup'' when the FBI has already pursued these angles. "We've pursued every angle, from whether there was foul play, a suicide or an accident, and we have basically not gotten anywhere," said James K. Weber, special agent in charge of the office in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

FA posted A LOT of contributing very valuable and important info we never knew before.
And now that all of their posts have been deleted, there is no way to prove or disprove that. How very convenient.

Just in case I wasn't clear earlier, I believe you are FindAmy and your main concern is finding people who you can make pay attention to you. Then you take off when people lose interest and/or stop paying you the kind of attention you want. I only hope that you never have a friend or family member go missing and that if you ever do, the story never catches the eye of an internet crazy who only takes an interest in it for their own selfish reasons. Good night.

And now that all of their posts have been deleted, there is no way to prove or disprove that. How very convenient.

Just in case I wasn't clear earlier, I believe you are FindAmy and your main concern is finding people who you can make pay attention to you. Then you take off when people lose interest and/or stop paying you the kind of attention you want. I only hope that you never have a friend or family member go missing and that if you ever do, the story never catches the eye of an internet crazy who only takes an interest in it for their own selfish reasons. Good night.

You can think whatever you like, all it does is exemplify your ignorance and apathy. Because if you knew a thing or two you would already have established that I am the poster who created the Reddit thread, i have the same username. Murkywaters. Failing that, you can also continue attacking and insulting someone who is very close to the Bradley family because you have absolutely no conscious, no heart and no common sense. FindAmy has been verified on two forums by Iva and Ron Bradley. She/he does not need the commotion you crazy skeptics are creating. Lets get this forum back on track! this is not about FA, our insider but Amy Bradley's disappearance. :)

You can think whatever you like, all it does is exemplify your ignorance and apathy. Because if you knew a thing or two you would already have established that I am the poster who created the Reddit thread, i have the same username. Murkywaters. Failing that, you can also continue attacking and insulting someone who is very close to the Bradley family because you have absolutely no conscious, no heart and no common sense. FindAmy has been verified on two forums by Iva and Ron Bradley. She/he does not need the commotion you crazy skeptics are creating. Lets get this forum back on track! this is not about FA, our insider but Amy Bradley's disappearance. :)

People do care about the case or else this thread wouldn't exist. Attacking people isn't helping anything and FA isn't anybody's "insider" when: 1) we don't have a clue who he is and 2)he goes around attacking people. It sounds like there's a pattern here of showing up, acting weird, attacking and disappearing/getting banned. Why do that to people who are interested in talking about the case? How does that help anything?

I don't understand why a chat board would ban someone because they wanted only one possibility to be discussed. That's how chat boards earn their revenue-lots of people joining and using it, lots of hits=lots of ad space sold. No moderator would do something like that to keep a thread quiet. There has to be another reason why he was banned.

It looks like there's no new info in the case and that's a shame. I have yet to see anybody on this board who doesn't care. They care and that's why this thread is still active. It's too bad that it got derailed by insanity.

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http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Amy_Bradley

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http://www.amybradley.net/

http://www.internationalcruisevictims.org/LatestMemberStories/Amy_Lynn_Bradley.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Amy_Lynn_Bradley

Thanks, TracyLynn, for those pictures and another reminder of who this thread is really about. :) It's been 16 years since Amy was last seen. Hopefully her family will have answers someday.

Has anyone heard anything additional about the jawbone found in Aruba that was speculated to be Amy's back in 2011? Did they do any testing? It sounds like Natalie Holloway was eliminated when they did initial testing on it.

Thanks, TracyLynn, for those pictures and another reminder of who this thread is really about. :) It's been 16 years since Amy was last seen. Hopefully her family will have answers someday.

Has anyone heard anything additional about the jawbone found in Aruba that was speculated to be Amy's back in 2011? Did they do any testing? It sounds like Natalie Holloway was eliminated when they did initial testing on it.

If I remember correctly, that jawbone was tested and found to be quite old. It was not Amy or Natalie. They were able to prove it wasn't her right away.

You know nothing about FindAmy nor what he/she posted on Reddit or the reason why she/he decided to all his/her posts. FindAmy chose to delete her posts because trolls and radical posters were discussing and bringing up incorrect information FindAmy spent weeks on Reddit correcting. FA posted A LOT of contributing very valuable and important info we never knew before. If you were there you would already know this. And she/he made the the decision to delete the posts so these people don't have any information to corrupt. Amy Bradley is a victim of human trafficking. This is NOT a game. Amy and her family do not need armchair investigators discussing an ''overboard coverup'' when the FBI has already pursued these angles. "We've pursued every angle, from whether there was foul play, a suicide or an accident, and we have basically not gotten anywhere," said James K. Weber, special agent in charge of the office in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Sorry but I have followed that thread from DAY 1. There were absolutely no trolls on there. FINDAMY gets upset anytime she is challenged. Her insight and information is so REALLY dated. She really just needs to stop posting about this case. She is hurting more then she helps. Jimbob (from the Reddit thread) actually had some inside information himself. She bailed after he came out with what he knew. That told me a lot. Like she is just some random internet person who only knows what she has read. Just like the rest of us.

Anyway I just want to see Amy Bradley home and safe. It would be nice if the FBI could put out a new age enhanced photo of what she might look like today. All of her photos are all from the 80's. I am betting she looks nothing like that today. Maybe Nancy Grace can do an updated show on her. With interviews from close family and friends. Sorry I just don't buy this we have to keep everything secret or her captors will hurt her. That just doesn't make sense.

Sorry but I have followed that thread from DAY 1. There were absolutely no trolls on there. FINDAMY gets upset anytime she is challenged. Her insight and information is so REALLY dated. She really just needs to stop posting about this case. She is hurting more then she helps. Jimbob (from the Reddit thread) actually had some inside information himself. She bailed after he came out with what he knew. That told me a lot. Like she is just some random internet person who only knows what she has read. Just like the rest of us.

Anyway I just want to see Amy Bradley home and safe. It would be nice if the FBI could put out a new age enhanced photo of what she might look like today. All of her photos are all from the 80's. I am betting she looks nothing like that today. Maybe Nancy Grace can do an updated show on her. With interviews from close family and friends. Sorry I just don't buy this we have to keep everything secret or her captors will hurt her. That just doesn't make sense.





LOL :lol: You obviously have no clue who Jimbob is. There is no way Reality/Jimbob has ever had any contact with Amy Bradley's family. Give Natalee Holloway's father a call and ask about Jimbob. Has he called you on the phone, yet? :lol:

I really have no idea. She claims to be in contact with them. But who really knows. I just read this entire thread and many longtime posters on this board have questioned and confronted her too. She posts and re-posts information that is already out there while continuing to defend against rumors and innuendo. There was a thread on reddit recently in which a poster jimbob gives quite a bit behind the scenes of what he really thinks happened. He has been in touch with the family. His post makes a lot of sense. Funny how she ran when he started posting.

Anyway...Back to Amy. Curious as to why the FBI has removed all traces of Amy Bradley from their website. They had her under missing persons up until last year. She is now gone from their website. Her picture, contact information Everything gone. Wonder why this is? Does the FBI still think she is missing?




How do you like Jimbob's English accent? It's obvious you don't know that Beth Holloway and Iva Bradley are friends. They know all about Reality aka Jimbob and all of his other names. Give Beth and Dave a call and ask them how many times they have reported Reality to the FBI. You don't seem to know very much about your new friend. :(

How do you like Jimbob's English accent? It's obvious you don't know that Beth Holloway and Iva Bradley are friends. They know all about Reality aka Jimbob and all of his other names. Give Beth and Dave a call and ask them how many times they have reported Reality to the FBI. You don't seem to know very much about your new friend. :(

;) Thank you. Reality and his crew of deranged internet, keyboard warriors is the reason why FindAmy chose to delete all his/her comments. Anyone who is even considering associating with that lunatic needs to know and understand who he is and what he has done. He made the Holloway's lives a living hell and destroyed forums for Natalee. He has been reported to the FBI a number of times. Beth and Dave Holloway hates his guts. He does this to any woman who disappears in the Caribbean, he hates Amy Bradley because of her connection to Aruba. He will do anything and everything to destroy and sabotage her case information. It was a very wise decision FA made to delete his/her comments. He/she discussed A LOT of very important and new information. He does not deserve access to that information. Some people even speculate he might actually be involved in Amy's kidnapping.

How do you like Jimbob's English accent? It's obvious you don't know that Beth Holloway and Iva Bradley are friends. They know all about Reality aka Jimbob and all of his other names. Give Beth and Dave a call and ask them how many times they have reported Reality to the FBI. You don't seem to know very much about your new friend. :(

1. In response to Lisa I have no inside information. I am working on what I have seen & read about the case & thinking about things logically. I have never claimed to have any inside information & think I said that in the Reddit thread when somebody there thought I had some inside info or something.

2. I only have the one identity on any forum I post on-I don't get the whole set up another ID or multiple ID thing people do on forums.

3. I have zero idea who Reality is or who Finding Amy or anybody else is either. I live in England & if the FBI were looking at this Reality person then one presumes they would see pretty fast my IP address is in Southern England.

4. All I have done is question Finding Amy's claims with reason. I have never been abusive to him/her in any way & although I find their claims unlikely & question how in with the family they really are I don't question their equal right to post their views, for others to agree or disagree with them etc. In fact I have been annoyed to see their posts gone for whatever reason-there was a lot of interesting stuff there & it also makes the thread hard to follow now.

5. Pointing out the problems with the Finding Amy presumption that she was abducted & forced into slavery, the eyewitness accounts are all legit, she was advertised on a website & put in public places-including back in America & is for whatever reason still being held 16 years later without being able to escape or raise the alarm is not a crime or against any rules of any forum.

6. I feel only sympathy for the Bradley family-whether she fell overboard, was murdered & dumped overboard, left the ship of her own free will to start a new life, went onshore for a drink with somebody & met with foul play or was drugged, smuggled off & forced into this horrible life they have been living a nightmare for the last 16 years-only made worse by the likes of the guy who conned them with his special ops nonsense.

If anybody is personally attacking the Bradley family I have no time for that person-whatever they are doing or have done however misguided or not it is purely from their desperate plight.

;) Thank you. Reality and his crew of deranged internet, keyboard warriors is the reason why FindAmy chose to delete all his/her comments. Anyone who is even considering associating with that lunatic needs to know and understand who he is and what he has done. He made the Holloway's lives a living hell and destroyed forums for Natalee. He has been reported to the FBI a number of times. Beth and Dave Holloway hates his guts. He does this to any woman who disappears in the Caribbean, he hates Amy Bradley because of her connection to Aruba. He will do anything and everything to destroy and sabotage her case information. It was a very wise decision FA made to delete his/her comments. He/she discussed A LOT of very important and new information. He does not deserve access to that information. Some people even speculate he might actually be involved in Amy's kidnapping.

I don't understand why anybody would want to sabotage any investigation into any vanishing around that region. Is this person some kind of tourist operator or something & thinks publicity of these cases affects his or her livelihood?

I think from what I have seen of Finding Amy's posts & the case in general is that nothing has really happened since the mid 2000's, the FBI seem to have lost interest in it which indicates nothing panned out & after a decade or so without any new tangible information they cannot do anything. Any information that has come to light since then needs to be out there in public.

I don't buy into the it would put her in danger thing because all of these sightings put her in danger going back 15/16 years, nobody connected to the case has to my knowledge ever been threatened-the woman who believes she saw her in a store in the mid 2000's, the guy who was in the place he shouldn't have been etc have all been on film talking about it.

Back to who this thread is really about...


Amy has a very tender heart and a very special ability to let people know that they are liked and appreciated. At one of the places where Amy and her friends go, where Amy sings karaoke, there is a couple who is mentally impaired. Amy always asks them to sit at her table. One night when her dad, Ron and I were with her, they walked up and hugged Amy and told us that Amy was their most special friend. They said she took the time to show interest in them and what they were doing and to spend time talking to them when no one else would have bothered.

Excerpted from
http://www.amybradley.net/june1198hopewellnews.htm


The world could do with more people like Amy. Here's hoping that one day she is returned to her loved ones.

Back to who this thread is really about...


Amy has a very tender heart and a very special ability to let people know that they are liked and appreciated. At one of the places where Amy and her friends go, where Amy sings karaoke, there is a couple who is mentally impaired. Amy always asks them to sit at her table. One night when her dad, Ron and I were with her, they walked up and hugged Amy and told us that Amy was their most special friend. They said she took the time to show interest in them and what they were doing and to spend time talking to them when no one else would have bothered.

Excerpted from
http://www.amybradley.net/june1198hopewellnews.htm




The world could do with more people like Amy. Here's hoping that one day she is returned to her loved ones.

Thank you. This was headed straight into crazy town. That's a really sweet story, and I'm sure there are more like it as it sounds like Amy was a very kind person.

Lisa-I think your point was proven. :)

I don't understand why anybody would want to sabotage any investigation into any vanishing around that region. Is this person some kind of tourist operator or something & thinks publicity of these cases affects his or her livelihood?

I think from what I have seen of Finding Amy's posts & the case in general is that nothing has really happened since the mid 2000's, the FBI seem to have lost interest in it which indicates nothing panned out & after a decade or so without any new tangible information they cannot do anything. Any information that has come to light since then needs to be out there in public.

I don't buy into the it would put her in danger thing because all of these sightings put her in danger going back 15/16 years, nobody connected to the case has to my knowledge ever been threatened-the woman who believes she saw her in a store in the mid 2000's, the guy who was in the place he shouldn't have been etc have all been on film talking about it.

I don't buy the put her in danger thing either. If one were to believe that then any of her sightings being outed in the past "put her in danger" as well. I do believe there is nothing new and no sightings after 2005. The FBI has removed all traces of Amy Bradley. This little fact is huge for me. The FBI doesn't remove cases just because they become cold. They just don't. So why did the FBI remove her information? Why is her missing picture gone?

The case has become very stale with old information. I do hope the Bradley family can put out a newer updated photo of Amy. She and I are the same exact age by 2 days. I look nothing like I did 10 years ago. A little good news is that Interpol still has her listed as missing.

LOL :lol: You obviously have no clue who Jimbob is. There is no way Reality/Jimbob has ever had any contact with Amy Bradley's family. Give Natalee Holloway's father a call and ask about Jimbob. Has he called you on the phone, yet? :lol:

You are very right. I do not know who Jimbob is. Just like I don't know if you are ClivesNemesis or Murky Waters. I believe both are one in the same by the way.

Anyway he gave some great information and I appreciated it. You have to remember that every time someone posts about Amy Bradley they are keeping her name out there. In the end that is all that matters. This includes FINDAMY.

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I don't buy the put her in danger thing either. If one were to believe that then any of her sightings being outed in the past "put her in danger" as well. I do believe there is nothing new and no sightings after 2005. The FBI has removed all traces of Amy Bradley. This little fact is huge for me. The FBI doesn't remove cases just because they become cold. They just don't. So why did the FBI remove her information? Why is her missing picture gone?

The case has become very stale with old information. I do hope the Bradley family can put out a newer updated photo of Amy. She and I are the same exact age by 2 days. I look nothing like I did 10 years ago. A little good news is that Interpol still has her listed as missing.

Nor do I. The family consented to that Vanished program with Beth Holloway, and they went on Dr. Phil. I wouldn't do that if I worried about putting her into further danger.

The ones from Dr. Phil are the brothel pictures. And I'm pretty sure the FBI said they couldn't definitively say that the photos weren't Amy.




You know that statement isn't accurate.

I've debated over whether or not I should bring this up because I honestly don't want to stir up a lot of drama. But I think you all should know that "Find Amy" claims to be an insider who is connected to the Bradley family (she has never said how she is connected to them specifically). At least, that is what she claimed over on Websleuths. They listed her as a Verified Insider. Find Amy claims that Amy was taken for some special purpose, but when pressed, she will not tell us what that purpose is. And most of our suggestions (prostitution, drug mule, child bearing) are shot down by her. Find Amy also left WS because she claimed that the men who took Amy were watching the board and trying to get to her. WS later shut the thread down completely for over a year when some of us began to doubt the claims of this "verified insider." (Because WS can't have anyone questioning their ways, you know :rolleyes: ). Find Amy has also been banned from Justice Quest, but I do not know the reason behind that.

Personally I believed her and her supposed info at first, but now I have my doubts. I think she is someone who makes the rounds wherever this case is discussed to garner more attention for herself. I may be completely wrong about that, and I apologize if so, but I would caution you all to take the info she gives out with a grain of salt. I've come to doubt the convoluted theory that Amy was drugged, taken off the ship (maybe in a laundry cart), sold into prostitution, held and humiliated, and taken to several different countries. I think the real answer is probably much more simple than that.

I do think the guy called "Yellow" is suspicious. On WS, it has been theorized that maybe he drugged her when she went up ship to get coffee and she overdosed. Or maybe they struggled and he accidentally killed her and her body was either hidden on board or thrown overboard.

It has also been theorized that Amy left of her own accord. I'm starting to entertain that possibility in my mind (I was literally lying in bed thinking about this case last night).






You know the information from FindAmy is accurate.

Some reports say that she was wearing shoes. I'm not sure that it is accurate to say she had no shoes.

But yeah, I do kind of think that if she were going to leave on her own, she would have taken a few things with her like money, shoes, etc. Also, I believe that when she disappeared, the ship was not docked yet. So it would not be a good time to try to leave because, well, you can't just walk off a ship that is still out in the water.




Yes, please tell us what other reasons she might have been taken and why she would require armed guards.




You know Mrs. Bradley very clearly said Amy was without shoes.

A) That link does not work.

B) If that person has case sensitive information from the Websleuths thread, it is because you have given it out.




I understand you were the True Crime Diva who wrote that blog.

I don't see anything wrong with that article. Yes, they used info that YOU put out there on WS, but so what? You just said that it is good for people to be discussing Amy's case and for info to be given to the public. The above article would be a means to that end. They did not quote you directly or use your exact words; just a summary of the info that you gave out.
Surely you don't expect people to read about this case but never talk about it except on a forum where you can control the flow of information, do you?




The article showed immaturity and insensitivity

What, what? You are posting as Find Amy, using the EXACT same posting style, avatar, and email address as her, but you are not her? If you are not the real Find Amy, then who are you and why are you posting as her?

And what have I said that was inappropriate? I said I do not believe that FA is really an insider and that what she says should be taken with a grain of salt. How is that inappropriate? If you are a WS regular who has wandered over here, I think you will find that this forum is not as strictly regulated as that one is. Here people are allowed to think for themselves and express their opinions, even negative ones, without fear of being moderated or banned. I have not broken any rules.

Finally, I find it odd that a person who literally left WS because she was afraid that the bad guys who took Amy were following her and were out to get her would show up on other forums (Justice Quest, then here) using the exact same name and avatar. I find it even more odd that, when confronted, that person would say "No, I'm not really Find Amy, the verified insider!"

Color me confused...:crazy:




"No, I'm not really Find Amy, the verified insider!"

Read more: http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=264179&page=11#ixzz3Gh0N85QF


That statement was never made.

Then why has Amy's FBI page been taken down?



Are you actually saying that Amy's case is no longer an investigation?

You are posting using her name and avatar. And in your above post, you said that WS decided "it was not safe for ME to be there." You seem to be indicating that WS decided it was not safe for Find Amy to be there, and you refer to Find Amy as "me," but then say you are not really her? You're not making sense.

I think you need to decide who you are and post appropriately. :lol:





Are you telling someone to post appropriately?