I'm interested in seeing how many people believe either of these two specific choices.

Thanks!

I'm interested in seeing how many people believe either of these two specific choices.

Thanks!

It's really more of a political question, IMO.

Every single person I've met who believes Clinton involvement is a right-wing kook. I suspect the same people believe the President is a closet Muslim and there is a vast communist conspiracy to do [x].

I suppose they are balanced out by the left-wing kooks who think President Bush planned 9-11, Reagan had sex and drug orgies in the White House (with Satanic overtones) and there is a vast fascist conspiracy to do [x].

Personally, I have little to no respect for conspiracy theory and theorists of all flavors.

It surely was not Vince Foster....

Hmm, I believe Vince Foster was murdered and I also believe the Clinton administration was involved. However I am not a 'right wing kook' although I am a republican. However looking at that case, the facts speak for themselves.

Now when I say the administration, I do not mean Bill or Hillary themselves or someone at their direction. But I think someone in the administration wanted Vince Foster dead. I mean, I do not think it is a 'conspiracy theory' I just think that is what happened. They were afraid he would talk and they killed him to shut him up. However I am not a right wing kook and frankly, comparing Vince Foster being murdered by a member of the Clinton administration is way more plausible than Bush planning 9/11, that is a ridiculous comparison to compare people that think Vince Foster was murdered to people who think 9/11 was an inside job.

Now when I say the administration, I do not mean Bill or Hillary themselves or someone at their direction. But I think someone in the administration wanted Vince Foster dead. I mean, I do not think it is a 'conspiracy theory' I just think that is what happened. They were afraid he would talk and they killed him to shut him up. However I am not a right wing kook and frankly, comparing Vince Foster being murdered by a member of the Clinton administration is way more plausible than Bush planning 9/11, that is a ridiculous comparison to compare people that think Vince Foster was murdered to people who think 9/11 was an inside job.

You didn't read what I wrote. A belief he was murdered doesn't have to equal a belief in administration involvement and isn't a conspiracy theory, so your belief isn't what I was criticizing. I refer to the people who believe Bill and/or Hilary are at the head of a cabal murdering people, including Vince Foster.

Your belief that someone (or two) in the administration may had a role in a murder is far more comparable to a belief that, at least on some level, FDR and his administration welcomed Pearl Harbor and GWB and his administration welcomed 9-11. Does it mean either planned it, or even had the ability to stop it - almost certainly not; does it mean they welcomed the loss of life - almost certainly not; did it mean they were glad it happened - almost certainly not; but did (in both cases), the event serve as legitimate casus belli to give them cover to accomplish ideological goals that would have, without the event, been difficult to achieve - absolutely.

Well, I do not agree with the opinion Egswanso but whatever. I also did read what you wrote and what you wrote was basically what I thought you were getting at. Only Vince Foster truly knows whether he was murdered or not. I was just saying it is not outside of the scope of possibility that he was murdered. Yes he may very well have committed suicide, but he was looking forward to getting out of DC for the rest of his life, so why would he suddenly go and off himself when he was preparing to go back to Arkansas? He had been miserable in DC for several months, he knew he was going back to Arkansas, are you telling me he for sure could not have waited a few more days?

As for Bill and Hillary murdering people? No, that is insane. I mean that is like believing Bush plotted 9/11 or that FDR plotted Pearl Harbor that Lyndon Johnson plotted JFK's assassination. To be honest, the biggest thing, Bubba did not seem to have the guts to kill someone or have them killed, like I said, there is just something about the guy, he does not come off as violent and he certainly does not come off as having the 'courage' to do something like that.

Well, I do not agree with the opinion Egswanso but whatever. I also did read what you wrote and what you wrote was basically what I thought you were getting at. Only Vince Foster truly knows whether he was murdered or not. I was just saying it is not outside of the scope of possibility that he was murdered. Yes he may very well have committed suicide, but he was looking forward to getting out of DC for the rest of his life, so why would he suddenly go and off himself when he was preparing to go back to Arkansas? He had been miserable in DC for several months, he knew he was going back to Arkansas, are you telling me he for sure could not have waited a few more days?

Of course; anything's possible.

As for Bill and Hillary murdering people? No, that is insane. I mean that is like believing Bush plotted 9/11 or that FDR plotted Pearl Harbor that Lyndon Johnson plotted JFK's assassination. To be honest, the biggest thing, Bubba did not seem to have the guts to kill someone or have them killed, like I said, there is just something about the guy, he does not come off as violent and he certainly does not come off as having the 'courage' to do something like that.

That you find that insane means you'r not a kook. There's a big difference between being a Republican, or Democrat, or Green, or Libertarian, or whatever, and being a kook. Political disagreements, policy differences, or party affiliation don't equal kook; belief in crazy theories and that your political opponents go around killing people for sport and/or political gain does. Right-wing, or left-wing, a kook is a kook; it's one of the few bipartisan things left :)

I should probably clarify because I don't know if I worded it correctly.

Did Vince Foster kill himself or did Bill & Hillary arrange for his murder to take place?

I should probably clarify because I don't know if I worded it correctly.

Did Vince Foster kill himself or did Bill & Hillary arrange for his murder to take place?

I will never believe Vince Foster killed himself. IMO there is too much evidence that leads he was murdered & it was staged to look like a suicide. As for the Clintons, I think they know more then what they have already said.

Hmm, I do not think you are giving enough options there Corky. There are more options. Like I do not believe Vince Foster killed himself but I do not believe the Clintons were behind his death either.

Hmm, I do not think you are giving enough options there Corky. There are more options. Like I do not believe Vince Foster killed himself but I do not believe the Clintons were behind his death either.

I have to agree with you. I voted "Bill and Hillary," but I don't necessarily think they did it. I definitely don't believe he killed himself, though.

This poll needs a third option of "neither, but someone other than Vince killed Vince." Barring that, I voted not Vince.

This was never a UM segment was it? Not that I remember

This was never a UM segment was it? Not that I remember

Yes, it was.

I understand what you guys are saying but I deliberately left that option out. I was curious to know how many people believe he died as a direct result of either himself, or a Bill & Hill plot.

However, its my fault...I should have stated that explicitly in the original poll, I can see how vague the options are.

Well Corky, the problem is, it is kind of foolish to only have two options. I mean how are you supposed to answer if, say, you believe that Vince Foster was murdered but that Bill and Hillary Clinton were not behind it and had no prior knowledge that it would happen?

then you don't answer

Saying Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton ordered Vince Fosters death is like saying that Lyndon Johnson ordered JFKs assasination.

If he was killed it was a decision by someone in the administration who thought it was the right thing to do. Bill and Hillary had no input on it. They just were the beneficiaries of the action.

I remember back when 60 Minutes did a piece on this subject. While evidence pointing to a faked suicide (botched, however you would like to refer to a case of what appears to be a suicide, but apparently was not) was presented, quite calmly I might add, Mike Wallace made every effort to discredit everything being said. It was really a one-sided thing and a disservice to the people watching, in my opinion.

Regardless of the "why" of the case, or one's political leanings, it was important that if a crime was committed that it be properly investigated. I lost a lot of respect for Wallace and company that night. Why do the piece with the premise that all sides will be considered, when it's obvious that the producers minds' were already closed? Anything for ratings I guess: Tell the TV public you will examine, and then run your opinion roughshod over anyone trying to present facts.

Regardless of the "why" of the case, or one's political leanings, it was important that if a crime was committed that it be properly investigated. I lost a lot of respect for Wallace and company that night. Why do the piece with the premise that all sides will be considered, when it's obvious that the producers minds' were already closed? Anything for ratings I guess: Tell the TV public you will examine, and then run your opinion roughshod over anyone trying to present facts.


I hate that stuff too. I'm unfamiliar with the piece but I do know the type of "reporting" you're referring to.

I should have just made this poll: Do you think the Clintons were involved in the death of Vince Foster: Yes or No? Because all I was curious about was how many people on this board think they did.

You would think if there were any evidence of a murder involving the Clintons that Kenneth Starr would be all over it...

.....yet he sided with the suicide theory.

Either Kenneth Starr is incompetent (which is a definite possibility...:lol: )

or .....there really is nothing to the murder theory.

I vote no, Vince Foster committed suicide .....the only conspiracy here is maybe the note was written by someone else or his body was moved. But that's about it.

WOW with all the info out there I am surprised anyone could say he committed suicide.

Moving up in honor of the upcoming election.

This was the long drawn out segment that had guys nitpicking over a suicide note, correct?

Definitely a suicide here.

The suicide note:

"I made mistakes from ignorance, inexperience and overwork. I did not knowingly violate any law or standard of conduct. No one in the White House, to my knowledge, violated any law or standard of conduct. I was not meant for the job or the spotlight of public life in Washington. Here, ruining people is considered sport."

If he was murdered to cover up the Whitewater scandal, why wouldn't the note be more concise as to not having any involvement from the Clinton's? "To my knowledge" leaves room for doubt. Plus, the little dig at the end about "ruining people is considered sport" does not seem like a fabricated line that someone would say while writing a suicide note.

This thread should be set on fire.

I'm not taking a position on the question posed here, but just some insight: when a lawyer writes "I did not knowingly violate any law or standard of conduct" it usually means that there's a significant question as to whether they did violate some law or standard, and that they just didn't realize it at the time. They're saying that, whatever happened, their state of mind was not that of a law/rule breaker.

Vince's own statement suggests to me exactly what you're saying here, Alan Brady's Hair. Foster apparently broke a law or standard of conduct and genuinely had no idea. It's this statement that makes me believe he committed suicide and the Clintons had no involvement in it. Snopes.com has debunked the "Clinton Body Count" for decades now. They weren't involved.

All the information I've read suggests to me that Vince Foster was an incredibly talented attorney who had zero experience in politics. The subsequent move to Washington, D.C. was very hard for him, as he went without his family, and he spiraled into depression. He had also made the push for several political appointments that did not pan out-- I could see this in itself being devastating to a person who was well-accustomed to success, as Foster was. He had been attacked numerous times in several editorials.

This is one where my teenage brain thought something more sinister happened. I don't believe that anymore. I've seen too many similar stories. Vince wasn't right for D.C. and the city chewed him up and spit him out. Suicide.

Vince screwed Vince.

Vince screwed Vince.


Hahahahahahahaha

I believe it was a suicide. I feel that he was despondent and felt that he had possibly disappointed others as well.

This was the long drawn out segment that had guys nitpicking over a suicide note, correct?

Definitely a suicide here.

The suicide note:

"I made mistakes from ignorance, inexperience and overwork. I did not knowingly violate any law or standard of conduct. No one in the White House, to my knowledge, violated any law or standard of conduct. I was not meant for the job or the spotlight of public life in Washington. Here, ruining people is considered sport."

If he was murdered to cover up the Whitewater scandal, why wouldn't the note be more concise as to not having any involvement from the Clinton's? "To my knowledge" leaves room for doubt. Plus, the little dig at the end about "ruining people is considered sport" does not seem like a fabricated line that someone would say while writing a suicide note.


good post. and i agree...suicide.

This was the long drawn out segment that had guys nitpicking over a suicide note, correct?

Definitely a suicide here.

The suicide note:

"I made mistakes from ignorance, inexperience and overwork. I did not knowingly violate any law or standard of conduct. No one in the White House, to my knowledge, violated any law or standard of conduct. I was not meant for the job or the spotlight of public life in Washington. Here, ruining people is considered sport."

If he was murdered to cover up the Whitewater scandal, why wouldn't the note be more concise as to not having any involvement from the Clinton's? "To my knowledge" leaves room for doubt. Plus, the little dig at the end about "ruining people is considered sport" does not seem like a fabricated line that someone would say while writing a suicide note.

Why does everyone seem to think that this scrap of paper found in Foster's office is a suicide note? It sounds to me more like, as Hillary's lawyer, Vince Foster was writing up instructions for Hillary to tell a congressional inquiry when they questioned her under oath. The language is the same as many of her "Pleading the 5th" types of malarky that she has said in the past. I think that she may have even dictated the note to him.
And don't forget that, at that time she had only been First Lady for a few months, and she could still play the Dumb Woman Victim card, and sometimes did. "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy", etc.

If Vince hadn't died conveniently, we would have seen Female Victim Hillary on TV in front of Congress trying to squirm out of going to jail, saying ""I made mistakes from ignorance, inexperience and overwork. I did not knowingly violate any law or standard of conduct. No one in the White House, to my knowledge, violated any law or standard of conduct. I was not meant for the job or the spotlight of public life in Washington. Here, ruining people is considered sport."

At the time Hillary was in trouble for having been complicit in framing and sabatoging the careers of the White House travel office employees for her own profit. She wanted some Arkansas relatives/cronies to gain the contract to run the White House travel Agency, and she got caught red handed when one of her spies, an Arkansas Clinton relative accidentally jammed the Photocopy Machine, and the repairman turned over the Classified Document that was stuck in the machine to the Travel Office supervisor, which exposed her spy network. And when Foster died everyone blamed him for everything.

And Hillary saw Saul Alinski as her mentor, so she would have no qualms about doing anything to attain her goals, as has been proven in all the latest Wikileaks e-mails. "Can't we just send a drone to get Julian Assange?" for instance.

Alinsky, Clinton, e-mails, Vince Foster – that's a mighty tasty stew you got there! Serve it to those waiting at the Mena airport VIP lounge.

Ken Starr himself looked into Foster's death. He couldn't find anything to suggest that it was anything other than suicide, and we all know what a massive Clinton fanboy he is. :eyeroll:

With the "Clinton Body Count" now back at the top of the news, here is one of many items on it.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/clinton-body-bags/

Believing that the Clinton's had a hand in many murders is akin to people thinking that Sandy Hook didn't happen. We shouldn't even entertain these theories, or these people.

Believing that the Clinton's had a hand in many murders is akin to people thinking that Sandy Hook didn't happen. We shouldn't even entertain these theories, or these people.

This is the perfect response — THANK YOU! :clap:

My guess is Jeffrey Epstein, just a hunch - what do I know. :lol:

The Clintons may as well have killed him, a man with integrity, a quality alien to them, dragging him to Washington, confronted by the wolves which they had themselves successfully vanquished in Arkansas.