I thought this might be an interesting thread to start. Anyone seen any little noteworthy items or anything in the background that you noticed you want to tell us about. For instance, I was recently watching the Spike UM segment about Gilbert Ortiz. In the scene where they are questioning his wife at the police station I noticed on the bulletin board behind the female detective a "Missing" poster of Jaycee Dugard!

This is sort of random and probably not exactly what you're talking about but I noticed recently that "Brian" in the Russell Evans segment has long hair. It just surprised me because I had probably seen the segment 15 or 20 times over the years and never noticed that detail until like 6 months ago.

This is sort of random and probably not exactly what you're talking about but I noticed recently that "Brian" in the Russell Evans segment has long hair. It just surprised me because I had probably seen the segment 15 or 20 times over the years and never noticed that detail until like 6 months ago.

I didn't have anything specific in mind for this thread, just misc. stuff. That is interesting. I never noticed "Brian" had long hair. How could you tell? The only time I remember seeing him was in the woods and it was dark.

Wow! That is pretty random, CD! Good catch...

My favorite little tidbit is from the Kevin Poulsen segment where we find out that he enjoys Star Wars and tacos. :lol: I know we've talked about it on the boards before, and I don't even know why it's so funny. I mean, who doesn't like tacos???

Wow! That is pretty random, CD! Good catch...

My favorite little tidbit is from the Kevin Poulsen segment where we find out that he enjoys Star Wars and tacos. :lol: I know we've talked about it on the boards before, and I don't even know why it's so funny. I mean, who doesn't like tacos???


I don't.... :)

Tacos and Star Wars

I think that was an actual date I had with a girlfriend in high school!!:happyface

That's probably why she never asked me for a second date.:(

Well the heck with her!. Any girl that doesn;t like tacos or Star Wars is not worth keeping, IMHO. :mad:

anybody notice there have been 3 or 4 cases involving a real estate agent who's killed for no reason. David Merrifield, Mike Emery, (another 2 guys who I forget).

What is it about that profession that brings the worst out of people?

Is there some real-estate agent serial killer that was operating? :confused:

After watching UM, apparently being a real estate agent is a high-risk occupation!!

anybody notice there have been 3 or 4 cases involving a real estate agent who's killed for no reason. David Merrifield, Mike Emery, (another 2 guys who I forget).

What is it about that profession that brings the worst out of people?

Is there some real-estate agent serial killer that was operating? :confused:

After watching UM, apparently being a real estate agent is a high-risk occupation!!

How about Jack Brown? And wasn't Gary Simmons in the real estate profession?

I don't.... :)
You are dead to me. :lol:

Maybe everyone else noticed this right off but it took me a while to realize that Cecil from the Gertrude Pruitt segment had a ponytail.

I think that was an actual date I had with a girlfriend in high school!!:happyface

That's probably why she never asked me for a second date.:(

Well the heck with her!. Any girl that doesn;t like tacos or Star Wars is not worth keeping, IMHO. :mad:

:lol: Sounds like a fun date. If you haven't already, I'm sure you'll find a girl with better taste.


As for other random things, I noticed one of the killers in the reanactment of the teenage killer spree is wearing an Iron Maiden shirt, so my oldest brother and I always tease my other brother that the actor is him (all of us are fans). Plus the Megadeth shirt the mysterious clerk wears in the convenience store case caught our notice.

I don't remember what case it was, but I noticed one of the girls missing from northern California's missing persons poster was behind a detective being interviewed on another case.

After watching UM, apparently being a real estate agent is a high-risk occupation!!

Talk about it!
After watching unsolved mysteries, I think the most high-risk occupations are (in this order):

#1. Gas station graveyard shift worker
#2. Real estate agent
#3. Prostitute

Here's a detail:
I can't remember what episode it was, but does anyone remember seeing Stephnie Weir from MadTV on UM? I remember she was carrying a laundry basket in the scene and I was expecting her to pull out a pair of small gloves from it.

Maybe everyone else noticed this right off but it took me a while to realize that Cecil from the Gertrude Pruitt segment had a ponytail.

Yes...and he thought Gertrude's fruitcakes were "delicious". :lol:

I think that was an actual date I had with a girlfriend in high school!!:happyface

That's probably why she never asked me for a second date.:(

Well the heck with her!. Any girl that doesn;t like tacos or Star Wars is not worth keeping, IMHO. :mad:

AMEN to that! I love both!

You are dead to me. :lol:

Oh no :(

I'm going to cry, now....if anyone needs me, I'll be curled up in a corner:lol:

Not an observation from UM per say but I did notice in my reading that Glen Consagra and Thomas Drake were incarcerated in the same prison - Avon Park Correctional. I wonder if they ever interacted.

Not an observation from UM per say but I did notice in my reading that Glen Consagra and Thomas Drake were incarcerated in the same prison - Avon Park Correctional. I wonder if they ever interacted.

Interesting. If so maybe they discussed their UM experiences, lol.

Talk about it!
After watching unsolved mysteries, I think the most high-risk occupations are (in this order):

#1. Gas station graveyard shift worker
#2. Real estate agent
#3. Prostitute

Another risky occupation is a lawyer, but a lot more so if it's a lawyer who handles divorce cases. I mean, I can still remember when, in 1996, UM aired a segment about the search for a man wanted for killing a divorce attorney. Although I don't remember the name of either the suspect or the murder victim, I do know that the suspect was captured soon after the segment aired.

If you work as a divorce attorney, you are bound to meet potentially volatile people. In situations like that, emotions could run dangerously high! :eek:

Another risky occupation is a lawyer, but a lot more so if it's a lawyer who handles divorce cases. I mean, I can still remember when, in 1996, UM aired a segment about the search for a man wanted for killing a divorce attorney. Although I don't remember the name of either the suspect or the murder victim, I do know that the suspect was captured soon after the segment aired.

If you work as a divorce attorney, you are bound to meet potentially volatile people. In situations like that, emotions could run dangerously high! :eek:

the victim was Tom Meyer and the murderer was Kelly McGinnis

I noticed that certain last names would come up throughout the show. A victim's name would be "X" in one segment, and then in a totally unrelated segment, the detective's name would be "x." I can't think of an example off the top of my head, but I know that has happened a few times.

Also, Kurt McFall. His last name has the word "Fall" in it and he "supposedly" fell from the cliff. I always thought that was interesting/odd.

Also, Kurt McFall. His last name has the word "Fall" in it and he "supposedly" fell from the cliff. I always thought that was interesting/odd.

Oh yeah, that is a strange coinscidence.

Also, Kurt McFall. His last name has the word "Fall" in it and he "supposedly" fell from the cliff. I always thought that was interesting/odd.

Wow...I don't know how I missed that one. I'm usually looking out for stuff like that.

Another risky occupation is a lawyer, but a lot more so if it's a lawyer who handles divorce cases. I mean, I can still remember when, in 1996, UM aired a segment about the search for a man wanted for killing a divorce attorney. Although I don't remember the name of either the suspect or the murder victim, I do know that the suspect was captured soon after the segment aired.

If you work as a divorce attorney, you are bound to meet potentially volatile people. In situations like that, emotions could run dangerously high! :eek:

Don't forget David Merrifield. He was the lawyer killed in Dallas, TX. By the way, wasn't he a real estate lawyer?

I noticed that certain last names would come up throughout the show. A victim's name would be "X" in one segment, and then in a totally unrelated segment, the detective's name would be "x." I can't think of an example off the top of my head, but I know that has happened a few times.

Also, Kurt McFall. His last name has the word "Fall" in it and he "supposedly" fell from the cliff. I always thought that was interesting/odd.

What about the cases where the same police officers were in multiple segments. I know Lt. Biondi was in the Sacremento spree killings and I could swear he was in another one, also. Were they're any more like that?

What about the cases where the same police officers were in multiple segments. I know Lt. Biondi was in the Sacremento spree killings and I could swear he was in another one, also. Were they're any more like that?

Det. Ernie Hamerick was in both the Jeannie Tovrea and Doug Johnston segments. Both murders happened in Phoenix, Arizona.

Jeannie was killed in 1988 and Johnston in 1990. Hamerick was at both murder sites afterwards to investigate.

Here's a detail:
I can't remember what episode it was, but does anyone remember seeing Stephnie Weir from MadTV on UM? I remember she was carrying a laundry basket in the scene and I was expecting her to pull out a pair of small gloves from it.

lmao. Yes, I remember seeing her on there as well, and I also only remember the laundry part of it, and that she was bringing the laundry in from outside.

Not really an observation inside the episode, but Kimberly Pandelios REALLY looked a LOT like Christina Aguilera. I think of that every time I watch that segment.

Just noticed they used the same stock footage of a bayou for the Audrey Moate and Charles Mulet segments.

I dont remember the names of the girls involved because it was a lost love but I do remember a 1960's flashback thing where there are two teenage girls playing in their bedroom which looked to me to have a poster of a young Robert Stack on the wall.

Since we're getting into really random stuff, I have to ask...


Shouldn't it have read Los Sickos?

Since we're getting into really random stuff, I have to ask...


Shouldn't it have read Los Sickos?

Yes

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Originally Posted by Oooga Chucka
Since we're getting into really random stuff, I have to ask...


Shouldn't it have read Los Sickos?

Yes

So the Circleville Writer doesn't know how to use proper Spanish Grammar. As if this guy wasn't already despicable!!! :lol:

Seriously, Though this brings up a good point as to why the writer of the letter decided to use a fake spanish term for a derogatory comment.

Of all the things this guy could say he writes something that trite and silly.

If I were writing the letter I would say "Hey Nessie-boy, you got Capone, but you won't get me, HA! HA!"

In the Armando Garcia segment (the miami cop who stole drugs in phony raids and then wanted to do hits on the witnesses) the cops who are cuban, spoke Spanish with a Mexican accent. It almost looked like the movie Salvador. Also when the guy is talking in the jail he says something in Spanish and immediately repeats the same thing in English, which was weird. Maybe he was teaching english to the other prisioners by telling his hitjob plans.

I dont remember the names of the girls involved because it was a lost love but I do remember a 1960's flashback thing where there are two teenage girls playing in their bedroom which looked to me to have a poster of a young Robert Stack on the wall.


This was the girl with polio in the "live from the Telecenter" special. And the poster is of Elvis Presley :)

Just noticed they used the same stock footage of a bayou for the Audrey Moate and Charles Mulet segments.


Las vegas stock footage is always the same as well (Binion, Kristi Krebs, Liza Montgomery, etc)

In the Liza Montgomery case, where she's driving away from the gaming supply store, there's a HUGE billboard for some sort of Las Vegas crimestoppers tipline with a phone number right across the street from the store.

John Cheek looks like Stephen Colbert. :lol:

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What about the cases where the same police officers were in multiple segments. I know Lt. Biondi was in the Sacremento spree killings and I could swear he was in another one, also. Were they're any more like that?

Scott Burau, the detective in the Tim McClure segment appeared in another segment more than 10 years later (I don't remember which one off the top of my head).

Although I also don't remember which ones off the top of my head, I do remember that there have been at least 3 different segments where FBI supervisory special agent Bob Ricks was interviewed.

I noticed something that is so "out-there" if you will, that, as silly as it sounds, I just have to share it because I doubt that anyone else ever noticed this or ever made the connection.

In the Tracy Wofford-Bunn segment, where she goes to retrieve her Ford Fiesta, I believe that UM may have placed some type of auxiliary lighting device in the car for the purpose of making the car more visible, because, in the scene, the car is angled in such a way that when the door is opened, we see what is supposedly the reflection of the dome light onto the backs of the seats. As someone who has a lot of knowledge of meaningless little tidbits like that relating to cars, I happen to know that a Ford Fiesta dome light is at the very front of the ceiling area, next to the rearview mirror, making the reflection that we see in the segment an impossibility.

I noticed something that is so "out-there" if you will, that, as silly as it sounds, I just have to share it because I doubt that anyone else ever noticed this or ever made the connection.

In the Tracy Wofford-Bunn segment, where she goes to retrieve her Ford Fiesta, I believe that UM may have placed some type of auxiliary lighting device in the car for the purpose of making the car more visible, because, in the scene, the car is angled in such a way that when the door is opened, we see what is supposedly the reflection of the dome light onto the backs of the seats. As someone who has a lot of knowledge of meaningless little tidbits like that relating to cars, I happen to know that a Ford Fiesta dome light is at the very front of the ceiling area, next to the rearview mirror, making the reflection that we see in the segment an impossibility.

They do this often, with various types of car. Not just on UM, but in general. I've noticed this, too :) Don't feel alone

In The Blind River Killer segment, when the blonde guy fires the gun at Jackie MacAllister, the bullet clearly doesn't hit her.

I notice little things at times like I can recall the murder of Larry Dickens in the Edward Bell story which is from the late 70s and the police chase scene shows cars parked in the neighborhood that are clearly newer eg, mid 80s-early 90s shape Camaro is parked in a driveway.

I know if it was me making UM, I would have done it differently to ensure absolute authenticity.

Kevin Poulsen was on an episode of American Greed a few weeks ago about a guy who made a fortune hacking into computers. He talked about how he was convicted years ago for the same thing. He now writes for Wired magazine and works with the authorities on occasion.

Kevin Poulsen was on an episode of American Greed a few weeks ago about a guy who made a fortune hacking into computers. He talked about how he was convicted years ago for the same thing. He now writes for Wired magazine and works with the authorities on occasion.

I read an online article about Kevin Poulsen about how he made good after serving his prison term. Apparently, he's gone undercover on MySpace and aided in the capture and/or identification of more than 700 sex offenders.

I read an online article about Kevin Poulsen about how he made good after serving his prison term. Apparently, he's gone undercover on MySpace and aided in the capture and/or identification of more than 700 sex offenders. Glad to hear about this McBevis. Redemption is always possible if you try hard enough and look in the right places.

I recently re-watched the Boston Strangler segment and noticed that the footage of Albert DeSalvo's coffin being exhumed is recycled footage of Shannon Mohr's coffin being exhumed in the Dave Davis case. You'll notice that the segment's film stock gets considerably grainier for that shot.

Oh I love this kind of stuff.

Some things I've noticed:

- The same voice-over woman reads from Gail Delano's diary and the note containing lyrics from a song in The King and I in the Audrey Moate segment.

- Another Gail Delano bit: the brown handbag she's carrying while supposedly hitching with the trucker (the one with the pill bottles in it) is the same one used in the Charlotte Pollis segment when Paul "notices" it on the fireplace mantle.

- The same actress played Jenny Pratt and "Tiffany" from the William John Wood segment.

- The hymn heard at the beginning of the Harold and Thelma Swain segment, as well as the one George Owens leads his congregation in in that segment's reenactment, is "Near the Cross" (1869).

- The same actor portrays the hunter who chances upon Ethel Kidd and the Boston Mall Rapist. He's been in other UM segments as well, but I can't recall which ones.

- The actor who played Jim Burnside resurrected his role for the America's Most Wanted version of that story.

Random things I've noticed:

-the actor that plays Don Dixon is also used in the Linda Sherman segment. He plays the cop that receives the note about the skull being hers.

-Also, like the Linda Sherman segment, a lot of the later made for Lifetime segments are blatantly shot in southern California, no matter the actual location.

-I forget the segment (it may be several), but there is a foley drop of someone on a hospital P.A. speaking, starting with "Dr. Davis...telephone". It first gave me a creepy deja vu feeling, but I realized later that I had in fact heard it used before. It's a common "sound effect drop" that I have heard many times, specifically on Seinfeld, The Kids in the Hall, Queensryche's Operation Mindcrime album, etc.

-I forget the segment (it may be several), but there is a foley drop of someone on a hospital P.A. speaking, starting with "Dr. Davis...telephone". It first gave me a creepy deja vu feeling, but I realized later that I had in fact heard it used before. It's a common "sound effect drop" that I have heard many times, specifically on Seinfeld, The Kids in the Hall, Queensryche's Operation Mindcrime album, etc.

There's a common foley drop UM used for police radios in the background. It starts off with a male voice saying, "One...thirty-three..." I definitely remember it being in the Richard Bocklage segment, and I recently heard it again in a few others I watched this week. I don't know if it's UM specific or a film-industry-wide thing, though. UM has also used a more common police/EMS foley drop--you know, that one you *always* hear on television. Most famously, it can be heard at the beginning of the COPS end credits.

I notice little things at times like I can recall the murder of Larry Dickens in the Edward Bell story which is from the late 70s and the police chase scene shows cars parked in the neighborhood that are clearly newer eg, mid 80s-early 90s shape Camaro is parked in a driveway.

I know if it was me making UM, I would have done it differently to ensure absolute authenticity.

Wow, I was just thinking this exact same thing with that segment! ;)

Yeah, those boxy cars I think were made from the early 80s to 1990. I'm pretty sure '91 is the first year they started making those rounded models. Also, you have to figure police and professional vehicles probably stay on the road for about five years.

If you look closely at the Roger Dean case in the neighborhood it's the same way. In the opening shot you can see a white rounded minivan that was new at the time (early 90s) even though it was taking place in 1985.

I wonder if they didn't bother with little things like that, since the majority of people wouldn't notice or care, and it might be hard to get ahold of older police cruisers to reenact the Bell chase scene. Well, obviously the main goal is to solve the crimes, but you know.

Just re-watched the Su Taraskiewicz segment recently and noticed an interesting discrepancy. In a diary entry dated April 12, 1989, Su talks about a co-worker breaking her radio and rationalizing it with his infamous "Because the Bruins lost!" line.

I'm probably exposing my NHL geekdom by saying this, but on April 11, 1989, the Boston Bruins actually beat the Buffalo Sabres for their fourth win in a row in order to clinch their first round playoff series! Either the guy never really said that line or he's just really bad at coming up with an excuse...

Oh I love this kind of stuff.

Some things I've noticed:

- The same voice-over woman reads from Gail Delano's diary and the note containing lyrics from a song in The King and I in the Audrey Moate segment.

- Another Gail Delano bit: the brown handbag she's carrying while supposedly hitching with the trucker (the one with the pill bottles in it) is the same one used in the Charlotte Pollis segment when Paul "notices" it on the fireplace mantle.

- The same actress played Jenny Pratt and "Tiffany" from the William John Wood segment.

- The hymn heard at the beginning of the Harold and Thelma Swain segment, as well as the one George Owens leads his congregation in in that segment's reenactment, is "Near the Cross" (1869).

- The same actor portrays the hunter who chances upon Ethel Kidd and the Boston Mall Rapist. He's been in other UM segments as well, but I can't recall which ones.

- The actor who played Jim Burnside resurrected his role for the America's Most Wanted version of that story.
On the Burnside case you have it backwards Meg. The Burnside case first appeared on AMW on July 3,1988. It did not appear on UM until 1991. I know because I have both episodes on tape. The actor's name was Arthur (Skip) Neal.

Just re-watched the Su Taraskiewicz segment recently and noticed an interesting discrepancy. In a diary entry dated April 12, 1989, Su talks about a co-worker breaking her radio and rationalizing it with his infamous "Because the Bruins lost!" line.

I'm probably exposing my NHL geekdom by saying this, but on April 11, 1989, the Boston Bruins actually beat the Buffalo Sabres for their fourth win in a row in order to clinch their first round playoff series! Either the guy never really said that line or he's just really bad at coming up with an excuse...

Simultaneously the nerdiest and coolest thing I've read all week! :lol:

Just re-watched the Su Taraskiewicz segment recently and noticed an interesting discrepancy. In a diary entry dated April 12, 1989, Su talks about a co-worker breaking her radio and rationalizing it with his infamous "Because the Bruins lost!" line.

I'm probably exposing my NHL geekdom by saying this, but on April 11, 1989, the Boston Bruins actually beat the Buffalo Sabres for their fourth win in a row in order to clinch their first round playoff series! Either the guy never really said that line or he's just really bad at coming up with an excuse...

I concur with Apostapler: big thumbs up. :cool:

....my sincerest apologies if you're a Bruins fan, but I imagine that guy broke a lot of radios later in life.

Just re-watched the Su Taraskiewicz segment recently and noticed an interesting discrepancy. In a diary entry dated April 12, 1989, Su talks about a co-worker breaking her radio and rationalizing it with his infamous "Because the Bruins lost!" line.

I'm probably exposing my NHL geekdom by saying this, but on April 11, 1989, the Boston Bruins actually beat the Buffalo Sabres for their fourth win in a row in order to clinch their first round playoff series! Either the guy never really said that line or he's just really bad at coming up with an excuse...

Even though I'm not much of a sports fan, that's pretty cool. :) I wonder if UM realized that in the reenactment (which was a few years later in '93, so it would've been common knowledge).

You know, I've always wondered why they decided to randomly throw that line in there. Obviously that dude Bobby was a jerk (and smashing her radio merely because he had a problem with her was more than uncalled for) so I'm not trying to pick fun at a serious case... but I'm thinking UM also just threw some things in that were "good enough" and didn't count on the few hard hardcore fans like us picking up on it. ;)

Kinda like using new (at the time) cars for older reenactments.

You know, I've always wondered why they decided to randomly throw that line in there. Obviously that dude Bobby was a jerk (and smashing her radio merely because he had a problem with her was more than uncalled for) so I'm not trying to pick fun at a serious case... but I'm thinking UM also just threw some things in that were "good enough" and didn't count on the few hard hardcore fans like us picking up on it. ;)

Well, it's not clear if Su's diary specifically mentions that line or if anyone who was there confirmed that he said that. Bobby was definitely a big enough jerk that he didnt need a legitimate excuse to act that way, and it's also possible that even though Su's diary entry was dated April 12, she could have been referencing an incident from a couple weeks beforehand that occurred right after a game when the Bruins DID lose.

But, yeah, you're right, I know UM never meticulously scripted the dialogue in most of their re-enactments (unless they were working from an official transcript) and often had the actors just ad-lib most of it.

Another risky occupation is a lawyer, but a lot more so if it's a lawyer who handles divorce cases. I mean, I can still remember when, in 1996, UM aired a segment about the search for a man wanted for killing a divorce attorney. Although I don't remember the name of either the suspect or the murder victim, I do know that the suspect was captured soon after the segment aired.

If you work as a divorce attorney, you are bound to meet potentially volatile people. In situations like that, emotions could run dangerously high! :eek:

Being is lawyer is just dangerous. David Merrifield, Gretchen Buford....two murders. Scary stuff.

I was going through some of the segments I have on tape and I came across something that at least I find slightly unusual. In the original 1997 broadcast of the story about Kristie Lee, the attractive blonde woman who was presumably murdered by her husband Jeff Lee's parents, she is described as being named Kristie Gunderson prior to marrying Jeff Lee. However, when the story was re-incorporated into one of Lifetime's 2001/02 episodes, she is identified pre-marriage as Kristie Skinner, though there are no other noticeable changes to the segment aside from the fonts used for names appearing on the screen.

Oh I love this kind of stuff.


- The hymn heard at the beginning of the Harold and Thelma Swain segment, as well as the one George Owens leads his congregation in in that segment's reenactment, is "Near the Cross" (1869).



That hymn is played every time they needed a gospel song (usually during any reference to civil rights). It's played in the O'Neal Moore segment too.

It sounds different every time they play it.

I watched the Charlie Anderson case recently where they did a re-creation of a recording of an anonymous caller who called the police station and claimed he had information about the murder.

It sounds to me like UM producer John Cosgrove did the voice of the caller. If not, they found someone who sounds like an awful lot like him. Maybe they just couldn't find any voice-over actors that day :lol: .

It sounds different every time they play it.

Yeah, I always thought that was weird.



I often notice things about the dates. For instance, Rogest Cain went missing exactly four years to the day Doreen Picard and Susan Laferte were attacked. Rhonda Hinson, Roxann Jeeves, Kristopher Korper, Bobbie Oberholtzer, and Annette Schnee were all murdered within literal days of each other. Ed Baker and Dexter Stefonek died ten days apart (and their cars were both set on fire, coincidentally).

I also realized that Bernice Courtermanche (victim of the New Hampshire Serial Killer) disappeared hitchhiking from Claremont to Newport, NH--where Judge John Fairbanks was scamming his legal clients before leaving the area in 1987. It's weird to think of two totally unrelated crimes going on simultaneously in one small area, and both of them ending up on UM. (Weren't both segments featured in the same episode, too?)

I often notice things about the dates.

My favourite piece of UM date trivia: Frederick Valentich's abduction took place on October 21, 1978, the day I was born. So, of course, I can only assume that the two events are somehow related ;) .

My favourite piece of UM date trivia: Frederick Valentich's abduction took place on October 21, 1978, the day I was born. So, of course, I can only assume that the two events are somehow related ;) .

Nice. :)


I have a couple of (less-than direct) "birthday" events, too. Harold and Thelma Swain were murdered on March 11, 1985, exactly one year before I was born, and Charlotte Pollis was last heard from on my eighth birthday in 1994.

No disrespect to the victim or the family, but I always got the feeling Matthew Chase was gay.

Does this matter? Absolutely not. But, after it was over, I kept getting that feeling he was gay, moved from small town Oregon to big (more accepting) city LA, with his friend Theresa and her brother (his possible boyfriend), and yes, I got that vibe from him too.

Again, I just found that interesting and possible...

No disrespect to the victim or the family, but I always got the feeling Matthew Chase was gay.

Does this matter? Absolutely not. But, after it was over, I kept getting that feeling he was gay, moved from small town Oregon to big (more accepting) city LA, with his friend Theresa and her brother (his possible boyfriend), and yes, I got that vibe from him too.

Again, I just found that interesting and possible...


You're not the only one. I've always felt that way. Inconsequential factor, of course, but I did get that same vibe you're talking about.

You're not the only one. I've always felt that way. Inconsequential factor, of course, but I did get that same vibe you're talking about.

Oh thank goodness.

I know it's ill to speak disrespectfully of the dead, but ever since I saw the segment, I always had that feeling. Why not move to a big city in Oregon? Like Eugene or Portland? LA and NY were the only places I know of where the gay community was flourishing successfully.

I just noticed the other day that the woman who complains about the noise during the Tom Johnson segment is also in the I-70 serial killer segment as one of the bridal store workers. Her hair is much longer and her bangs are poofed up a la late 80s early 90s but I'm sure its her.

- At the end of the comedy store ghost segment, Robert Stack says "So far Laurie Jacobson has documented 50 mysterious episodes here at the comedy store." then the chair in the background moves to the right and he says "perhaps you should make it........51"

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- Matthew McConaughey plays one of the actors in the 1992 Larry Dickens segment

- Both the Betty Cash/Vicky Landrum UFO segment and the Bentwater UFO segment happened on the same day. Decemeber 29th, 1980.

And don't forget, a few days before Betty and Vicky had their UFO sightings, several American soldiers stationed in southern England claimed to have seen a UFO in Rendlesham Forest. Perhaps, just perhaps, the UFOs travelled west for the new year?

- Both the Betty Cash/Vicky Landrum UFO segment and the Bentwater UFO segment happened on the same day. Decemeber 29th, 1980.[/QUOTE]

In The Blind River Killer segment, when the blonde guy fires the gun at Jackie MacAllister, the bullet clearly doesn't hit her.

I certainly hope the bullet didn't hit her. LOL! :lol:

Here are a few more:

In the episode that profiles the case of Michael Hunter, the motorcyclist shot to death under unknown circumstances in northern California, the police detective raves about how gorgeous Feb. 24 was, weatherwise, to the point where she says there was no breeze. Yet, if I remember correctly, later in the same segment, RS comments on the breeze.

If we accept what happened to Michael Hunter as a random crime incident (admittedly it was not specifically referred to that way), RS says in his stand-up of the Michael Hunter story something along the lines of how crime is becoming common in America. Yet in a different episode, about the guy (David Huntley ???) who was fatally shot near Pittsburgh Pennsylvania after a minor hit and run, RS says that random crime is something few Americans have to worry about. I know times have changed, maybe I am just refusing to completely accept they've changed that quickly.



Any thoughts?

Bev McGowan's brother received the mysterious note about her "needing to make some changes" on 7/19/90, my second birthday.

Nice. :)


I have a couple of (less-than direct) "birthday" events, too. Harold and Thelma Swain were murdered on March 11, 1985, exactly one year before I was born, and Charlotte Pollis was last heard from on my eighth birthday in 1994.

I love the almost birthday related dates. I've done that many times as well. Michael Rosenblum vanished exactly one week after I was born. I was born on Feb. 7, 1980. Michael vanished on Feb. 14, 1980.

Even as a little kid watching UM, whenever a segment would come on and the date of the events was stated, I would always think about what was going on in my life while all these cases were happening elsewhere in the world (how old I was, what grade I was in, who were my friends at the time, etc.)

In doing so, I actually figured out that the massacre at the bowling alley in Las Cruces, New Mexico on Feb. 10, 1990 happened exactly while my 10th birthday party was going on. After figuring out the time difference between Michigan and New Mexico and the time of the shootings, I pinned it down. I guess Unsolved Mysteries fried my brain a bit even as a kid because I'd look at the pictures of my birthday party and all I could think about was the horror that was going on at the exact moment 1,500 miles away.

Perhaps not directly related to the topic, but I find myself wondering how old the victims profiled would be and what they might be doing now. (i.e Michael Rosenblum would be in either his late 40s or early 50s now -- would he ever have kicked the drug habit, etc.)

I blame my doing this not just on UM, but on the fact my sister's best friend died of cancer when the friend was 10. Even now, 28 years later, as I watched my sister recently get married, I found myself thinking what her friend w/b doing if she was alive today at the age of 38.

Just watched the Gordon Collins segment and during the scene where Gordon's father goes to the taco stand to show the vendor his flier, the boom mike makes a pretty glaring cameo in the top left-hand corner of the screen.

I'm trying to remember what segment with was, a woman is dreaming about a house for close to 5 years and when her family move to Florida they find they house and buy it. Then she finds out there was an unsolved murder of the former owner in the house and he haunts the home.
In the segment there is a newspaper snippet explaining his truck was a 1970 Chevy pickup. In the reenactment the truck used was a late 70s Ford pickup.

I'm trying to remember what segment with was, a woman is dreaming about a house for close to 5 years and when her family move to Florida they find they house and buy it. Then she finds out there was an unsolved murder of the former owner in the house and he haunts the home.
In the segment there is a newspaper snippet explaining his truck was a 1970 Chevy pickup. In the reenactment the truck used was a late 70s Ford pickup.

It's called "Haunting Visions" or something like that. I've always thought the was one of the better ghost segments.

I always remember the "Stackisms" as I refer to them like the day of "whimsy" on the message in a bottle segment. And there was another story about the abduction of a little girl by a man wearing a blue hat where the woman (possibly the mother of the child, I can't remember now) said the child was "diddybopping" along.

I am always bewildered how the first composite sketch of Matthew Chase's presumed killer has an uncanny similitude to former President George W. Bush's profile shot.

http://www.unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/images/cases/mur_matthew_chase2.jpg

I always think wow many of these people abducted have the same name or their bf/husbands look the same. How many posts do we have currently on missing Amy's for example?

I also always love the actor's same shock reinactments when they say they dont know what happened to the person..its always fun to watch..:)

With the case involving Jule Caylor and his wife Dottie who suffered from agorophobia, when Jule drops Dottie off at the train station, she has her purse with her (supposedly). Then when Jule says he returns to the train station upon the time Dottie is suppose to return, he notices the purse in Dottie's car. There was so much inconsistant in that case it wasn't funny.

The case involving Danny Wheeler did him no justice at all. I walked away from that episode thinking this was one case where I really knew little to nothing about the victim and more about these 3 sad individuals in his life who used that segment to throw each other under the bus.

VERY CREEPY things that others have pointed out on the unnamed site:

1) In the Debra Poe case, in the picture of her and her roommate, there is a disturbing image between the two women. Like a dark face.

2) In the Poison by Stichnine episode, the sister's eyes black out for a moment during her interview early in the segment. VERY weird.

These are things I never noticed before hearing others point them out!!

VERY CREEPY things that others have pointed out on the unnamed site:

1) In the Debra Poe case, in the picture of her and her roommate, there is a disturbing image between the two women. Like a dark face.

2) In the Poison by Stichnine episode, the sister's eyes black out for a moment during her interview early in the segment. VERY weird.

These are things I never noticed before hearing others point them out!!

I believe that was her hair.

Okay, I just watched the case about John "Thumper" Brown, the wanted meth chemist, and they do an interview with a detective from the Oregon State Police who's shot in silhouette. I found that really strange as that may be the first UM interview I've ever seen where law enforcement official has his face obscured.

Yeah, was he undercover? Must have been.

In the Mikki Jo West segment you can see the same car with a black occupant in it in two different shots. One when Mikki is crossing the street in a close up and one where she is walking in the distance you can see the same car again. Obviously UM trying to give the hint that Earvin drove that car.


Kind of creepy you mentioned that Debra Poe case, I noticed the black face too but it might not be a person or if it was maybe they were blanked out for some reason.

In the Mikki Jo West segment you can see the same car with a black occupant in it in two different shots. One when Mikki is crossing the street in a close up and one where she is walking in the distance you can see the same car again. Obviously UM trying to give the hint that Earvin drove that car.


Kind of creepy you mentioned that Debra Poe case, I noticed the black face too but it might not be a person or if it was maybe they were blanked out for some reason.

In Debra Poe's case , the "image" appears to have been the face of another person that was poorly blacked out by someone.

In Debra Poe's case , the "image" appears to have been the face of another person that was poorly blacked out by someone.

If you look REALLY closely, it's a formation in her hair and her friends hair. Totally eerie especially combined with the music, but nothing too sinister :cool:

If you look REALLY closely, it's a formation in her hair and her friends hair. Totally eerie especially combined with the music, but nothing too sinister :cool:

I just saw the segment on an unnamed web site but the resolution was very poor, so you really can't tell. However, her friend has rather flat hair so I'd be surprised if any of it was HER hair.

If you look REALLY closely, it's a formation in her hair and her friends hair. Totally eerie especially combined with the music, but nothing too sinister :cool:

That would definitely be better than a creepy face :cool: But I don't see how it could be hair...I guess I will examine the photo again. However, the eyes blacking out in the Wright case doesn't seem as easily explained. They look like someone colored them in for a split second.

Okay, I just watched the case about John "Thumper" Brown, the wanted meth chemist, and they do an interview with a detective from the Oregon State Police who's shot in silhouette. I found that really strange as that may be the first UM interview I've ever seen where law enforcement official has his face obscured.


The strangest thing about this was that they showed the guy's name, too....wtf??

Here is the picture, take a stab everyone.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/RWB9M8_zGgQ/2.jpg

Oh, creepy! The entire day I was wondering what the hell everyone was talking about with the "blacked out face". I had NEVER noticed this before, and I've seen that segment a million times! How eerie. I do concur with Sage, though: it's definitely her hair.

Looks like it's Debra's hair.

Did anyone else think it was strange when her friend said Debra was more of a sister to her than her own sister?

Looks like it's Debra's hair.

Did anyone else think it was strange when her friend said Debra was more of a sister to her than her own sister?

Not really strange. More sad than anything else. I know a lot of people w/ very poor relationships w/ their own flesh and blood.

Here is the picture, take a stab everyone.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/RWB9M8_zGgQ/2.jpg

Pareidolia.

Here is the picture, take a stab everyone.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/RWB9M8_zGgQ/2.jpg

There's somebody between them with their head down and their hands folded in front of them.

In the story about the Kansas City Firefighters, they show a flag going up at half-mast. They incorrectly hoisted the colors to halfway up the pole, which is incorrect. They were supposed to hoist it to the top of the pole, and then halfway down.

There's somebody between them with their head down and their hands folded in front of them.

wow, good eyes!

it's still kind of weird though that the shine off of their hair almost looks like a face

Probably everyone knows about this already, but it's so funny when I watch it.

In the Clarence Roberts segment, Clarence's sister in law says "I really can't describe how different he would be....it's like, turning a light on and turning a light off". Right after she says that you can hear someone laughing hysterically in the background.

Also in the beginning of the segment, when Robert Stack is walking past the tree in the cemetary talking about Clarence, he is short of breath and pauses for a moment. Also, when Robert Stack talks about Clarence befriending the homeless man at the bar, and he falls to the ground, he says in a weird way "the man collapsed....from some....unknown cause".

-The Dennis Depue segment inspired the 2001 horror film "Jeepers Creepers".

-In the mysterious hum segment, one of the people they interviewed looks like a man and a woman. (JK)

I think the filming crew for the Clarence Roberts segment just thought she was off her rocker or something. She was the only one who thought he was still alive after everything.

Just thought of one. Almost everytime Catholicism or "a devout Catholic" is mentioned, plainsong, traditional chanting is played in the background, much like anytime Judaism or a Jewish person is mentioned, that klezmer-like tune with the fiddle starts up. Angelo Desidari and Frs. Rivera and Kerrigan are examples of the former that first come to mind, and for the latter, Chaim Weiss and Anita Green.

This isn't really a "hidden" observation but its interesting. In the segment on soul switching or whatever it's called, there is a scene where a woman is above her bed nude, all there is are little lights flying around her body, I though wow this is very "riskay" for UM :P

Just thought of one. Almost everytime Catholicism or "a devout Catholic" is mentioned, plainsong, traditional chanting is played in the background, much like anytime Judaism or a Jewish person is mentioned, that klezmer-like tune with the fiddle starts up. Angelo Desidari and Frs. Rivera and Kerrigan are examples of the former that first come to mind, and for the latter, Chaim Weiss and Anita Green.

Right. Last week, I watched the Anita Green and Chaim Weiss segments back to back and I immediately thought, this must have been Unsolved Mysteries designated Jewish music.

Same music that was played in the Steve Ross (Schmulek Rosenthal) and the Sam Zelickson segments.

One thing I always found haunting if you could call I that was that Doris Young was actually shot by David after the bomb went off. The fact he shot her while kids were being thrown out windows is just quite chilling. What stopped him from taking others out with them?

Another one for the LE-officials-featured-more-than-once-on-UM files: Sheriff Bill Smith of Camden Co, GA. He was one of the investigators on the Harold and Thelma Swain murder, and it just occured to me tonight while watching that he was also on the 'Live from the Telecenter' special, called in on a custodial abduction case featured during that broadcast. He's interviewed towards the very end.

I was watching the John and Linda Sohus segment on the forbidden site and there was a part of the story when an unknown woman apparently took Linda's cats from the kennel. However, a poster on the site said that this was untrue and that Linda's sister picked up the cats, and not the unknown woman. I think it's interesting that they put that in the segment even though it is apparently not true.

Well in the segment starring Matthew McConaughey there's a painting of a deer hanging up in the house. We have that same exact painting at my house. It was something my grandmother gave to my mom before I was born.

I rewatched the Hugh and Diane Harlan segment tonight, and I'm 99.9% sure the actress in the role of Diane is wearing the same wig the actress who played Tammy Lynn Leppert wore--it's just brushed to look more frazzled.

Robert Stack almost always wore the same tie.

The actor who played Jimmy Olsen on the Superman TV series said that when he heard of George Reeves' death, he accepted immediately that it was a suicide. He's the only person I've ever seen on UM that was a friend/family member of someone who may have committed suicide who accepted that it was a suicide.

There were never updates on lost treasure segments, and there never will be.

Many times Stack gave a short update on a case, and said there will be more details on a future broadcast. Those details rarely came.

Of all the cases I wish I could solve that were profiled on UM, lost heirs is #1, assuming I am the lost heir

In the Joe Smith reenactment, his landlord Frank Allen looks like he could kick Joe's ass when he's wearing the v-neck white tee. Instead, he jumped through a glass door

Of all the cases I wish I could solve that were profiled on UM, lost heirs is #1, assuming I am the lost heir

:lol: And if I work in the UM telecenter, the episodes I dread most are ones with "lost heirs" cases since you're bound to get a lot of phonies calling in trying to claim the money.

Watched the Leonard Dirickson segment today. The "coffee shop" he was allegedly spotted in just after he left his house with the man in the white pickup truck is the restaurant Permon Gilbert is mometarily seen eating at in that much older segment, although the actual establishment itself doesn't look like it changed much in a decade!

Okay, I just watched the William Jordan case for the first time and near the end of the segment, they show a family photo of his victim, James Rouse, and Rouse's young son appears to have a major facial deformity.

That somehow made this horrible crime ten times worse since that child probably had a hard enough life without losing his father like that.

In the Justin Burgwinkel segment, his military ID card is shown. His SSN is very prominent, and very visible on the card. I guess UM didn't realize that wasn't a "service number."

This is minor but in the Brad Bishop segment, the reenactment of Lt. Joe Sargent getting the radio call to go to the Bishop home, the address stated over the police scanner is 4316 Lilly Stone Drive. The Bishops actually did live on Lilly Stone Drive but their address number was 8103.

I google mapped the other address wondering if that was where the reenactment was filmed but no such address exists.

Not an observation of the segment itself, but something I found out after the fact: the apartment complex in Baton Rouge, Louisiana where Tracy Wofford-Bunn was found murdered in her car has since been totally demolished (and, as far as I'm able to tell, nothing new has been built in the space where it was).

Not an observation of the segment itself, but something I found out after the fact: the apartment complex in Baton Rouge, Louisiana where Tracy Wofford-Bunn was found murdered in her car has since been totally demolished (and, as far as I'm able to tell, nothing new has been built in the space where it was).

Indeed. I google mapped the address hoping to add a picture to the location thread but all I saw was an empty field.

Indeed. I google mapped the address hoping to add a picture to the location thread but all I saw was an empty field.

You'll never be able to get a street-level view of it, but if you go to the address on Google Earth and then use the "view past imagery" feature to go back to about 2002 or '03, there's a good overhead view of it.

this may be neither here nor there, but in the update to Final Appeal: Rick McCue, in one of the newspapers front pages that told of his release, there is another article on the side that has a headline: "Family on a roll of good luck" and I immediately thought about the lucky rock.

I'm very curious to know what novel Cindy Anderson was reading when she vanished, even though it was almost certainly a coincidence. Any ideas?

Edit: Found it by being a geek and pausing the segment.

It's called "Love Beyond Reason" by Karen van der Zee. It's a Mills and Boon novel :lol: Kind of takes away the mystery but I was always curious.

I was watching the Carl Dentai and Philippe Pelletier segment recently (for those who don't remember, the Dentais were a dirt-poor Hungarian family who survived the ravages of WWII thanks to the kindness of Philippe Pelletier).

Anyway, at one point in the segment, Robert Stack mentions Mrs. Dentai making a party dress for her daughter, using bits of discarded material she had scraped together. In the re-enactment, however, when the Dentais are putting the dress on the little girl, a tag is visible on the inside of the dress.

Fun with improved audio:

-In the Ed Baker segment, during ex-wife Mary's interview, a Harley Davidson racing by outside can clearly be heard.

-In the Christi Nichols segment, when Mark is explaining the "rumors around Gothenburg"--you can hear a male voice in the room say, "Yeah!" after Mark ends that sentence about "burying her at the dump."

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet,

In the Terri McClure segment it appears they actually filmed in the real parking lot that she was murdered in. I had to research it but in the Reno library archives I found found she was murdered in the parking lot of the Carson City Nugget. She was also the 3rd homicide of the year for Carson City.

Also in the segment she is mentioned as living in Sparks (which at the time was the city next door to Reno, now they actually both merge as one city but are still Sparks and Reno.) when in reality she lived between Wells Ave. and South Virginia Street, in Reno.

Ahhh! I also just discovered that not only was The Kelsey House within walking distance of my girlfriend's job but was also torn down in 2012!

Hi everyone,
It's been awhile since i last posted on the message board. But here is my interesting observation...

I was watching the DB Cooper episode on the DVD. The hijacking took place in 1971. However, MANY of the passengers in these scenes are wearing 1980's fashions...one passenger had frosted hair and an acid washed jacket, someone else was wearing a headband on the plane, and there were other women with those ruffled blouses that were popular in the 1980's.

Maybe this doesn't totally fit in, but I had to share it. This past Sunday at mass, there was a gentlemen sitting a few pews in front of me that was wearing an EXACT copy of the Hawaiian shirt Dave Davis is wearing in that update to the Shannon Mohr segment. Blue and white with the ship and islands print. :lol:

Makes sense, though. It was actually a UM viewer in Honolulu that reported seeing him (which led the police to American Samoa, where he was living); maybe he bought the shirt here. :lol:

At the beginning of the ATV murders segment, one of the men (the actor representing Earl Smock, I think) is clearly shown wearing a University of Tennessee hat while starting up his ATV. As a born-and-bred Tennessean and UT alumna, I always kind of appreciated that little detail.

Recently re-watched the segment about the foot locker skeleton. Never noticed before that the sheriff on the case, John Lumley, was in a wheelchair. The segment never actually acknowledges or calls attention to it, but you can see the sheriff sitting in the chair in some of the re-enactments.

Since a paraplegic sheriff is unusual, I got mighty curious about Sheriff Lumley's story and did some Googling on him. I have no idea if he was born a paraplegic or his disability happened later, but Lumley surprised everyone by running for county sheriff as an independent in 1990 and winning. Turns out he also lost a bizarre court decision where a deputy sheriff who ran against Lumley sued him because Lumley didn't want to keep him on as a deputy after the election:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2202&dat=19940512&id=ggwmAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hf0FAAAAIBAJ&pg=4652,1173359

More fun with improved audio:

In the Gail Delano segment, Gail's son is watching Wait till Your Mother Gets Home! (1983) "starring Paul Michael Glaser", as overheard on the television while Gail is talking to "John" on the telephone.

I just noticed that whenever UM did a segment where a search & rescue operation is looking for a missing person in the woods, they loved to recycle the same footage of a helicopter flying over the woods and a group of searchers climbing up a hill. What's funny is they always recycle this one shot of a searcher calling out someone's name, but because he puts his hand over his mouth, they actually dub over a different person's name in each segment. For instance, in the Nyleen Kay Marshall segment, he calls out "Nyleen!" and in the Keith Reinhard segment, he calls out "Keith!".

I just noticed that whenever UM did a segment where a search & rescue operation is looking for a missing person in the woods, they loved to recycle the same footage of a helicopter flying over the woods and a group of searchers climbing up a hill. What's funny is they always recycle this one shot of a searcher calling out someone's name, but because he puts his hand over his mouth, they actually dub over a different person's name in each segment. For instance, in the Nyleen Kay Marshall segment, he calls out "Nyleen!" and in the Keith Reinhard segment, he calls out "Keith!".

Gotta love stock footage. :)

I just noticed that whenever UM did a segment where a search & rescue operation is looking for a missing person in the woods, they loved to recycle the same footage of a helicopter flying over the woods and a group of searchers climbing up a hill. What's funny is they always recycle this one shot of a searcher calling out someone's name, but because he puts his hand over his mouth, they actually dub over a different person's name in each segment. For instance, in the Nyleen Kay Marshall segment, he calls out "Nyleen!" and in the Keith Reinhard segment, he calls out "Keith!".

I noticed that, too. Back then, it was common for television shows to reuse footage, typically for budgetary reasons. I determined that the scene was originally in the Keith Reinhard segment, as that segment originally aired on January 31, 1990 and the Nyleen Marshall segment originally aired ten months later, on November 21, 1990. And if I remember correctly, the same scene was reused in the Amy Bechtel segment.

I noticed that, too. Back then, it was common for television shows to reuse footage, typically for budgetary reasons. I determined that the scene was originally in the Keith Reinhard segment, as that segment originally aired on January 31, 1990 and the Nyleen Marshall segment originally aired ten months later, on November 21, 1990. And if I remember correctly, the same scene was reused in the Amy Bechtel segment.

I think parts of the same search footage was used in the Tommy Gibson segment. One of the rescuer's hands is cupped over his mouth, so you can't read his lips, which makes it even easier to use this same footage over and over and over again.

Good thread gang.
What I've noticed is how many times you hear the phrase, "And that was the last time I ever saw her"
Each voice that speaks those words is so full of despair my heart goes out to them.
What a painfully beautiful montage it would make to just edit that one line from every segment in which it is spoken.

I also noticed the following:
The way Stack said the word "Satanic" like Suh-tan-ic
How many bodies were found by joggers or hunters
How everyone in town was in love with Perman Gilbert
How many of the criminals caught between the Stack Years and Farina reboots have served their full sentences and are out. Wow we are getting old.

I think parts of the same search footage was used in the Tommy Gibson segment. One of the rescuer's hands is cupped over his mouth, so you can't read his lips, which makes it even easier to use this same footage over and over and over again.

I believe the footage in question was also used in the Michael Rosenbloom segment.

I believe the footage in question was also used in the Michael Rosenbloom segment.

I think ur right, justins5256. Between that case, Tommy Gibson & all the other cases cited here, looks like UM got a LOT of mileage out of that stock footage.

I believe the footage in question was also used in the Michael Rosenbloom segment.


The man cupping his mouth must be famous now lol he should get paid with each airing.:lol:

In the Gordon Page segment, a young Gordon (the actor playing him looks to be about 10 or so) is making a house of cards with baseball cards. Timewise, this would be around 1973. You can clearly see Gordon using a 1987 Topps baseball card, which wouldn't come out for another 14 years.

I vividly remember collecting the entire 1987 Topps set (the wood-panel cards) back when they came out, and have several fond memories of it. To this day, I think it remains the Cadillac of baseball card sets. Notable for containing the Mark McGwire and Jose Canseco rookie cards.

In the Gordon Page segment, a young Gordon (the actor playing him looks to be about 10 or so) is making a house of cards with baseball cards. Timewise, this would be around 1973. You can clearly see Gordon using a 1987 Topps baseball card, which wouldn't come out for another 14 years.

I vividly remember collecting the entire 1987 Topps set (the wood-panel cards) back when they came out, and have several fond memories of it. To this day, I think it remains the Cadillac of baseball card sets. Notable for containing the Mark McGwire and Jose Canseco rookie cards.

oh yes. I remember (I think) discarding several thousand sticks of the powdery bubble gum stick that came in those packs. Or, that could have been an older set. I don't recall if Topps still included the gum in the 87 set and dont feel like looking it up. I probably have about 200 Cory Snyder "Rated Rookies" and 2 or 3 Canseco and McGwire's. Although their real "rookie" cards were those 85 USA team cards. Or....if you were really "hard core" the 86 "traded" set. Did you have that, Wiseguy? I think I stupidly took that set out of the sealed box and stuck all the cards in a 3 ring binder. Not that they're really worth anything; that was right went the market tanked.

To me, the cadillac is Upper Deck 1989 and the hunt for Griffeys. And F*ck face (or was that 90?) ... true pimps know what I mean.

Sorry for veering so off topic. I don't want to hijack the thread with baseball card talk (or do I?) but nothing makes me more nostalgic for my teenage years than baseball cards and unsolved mysteries...sigh. the true halcyon days.

oh yes. I remember (I think) discarding several thousand sticks of the powdery bubble gum stick that came in those packs. Or, that could have been an older set. I don't recall if Topps still included the gum in the 87 set and dont feel like looking it up. I probably have about 200 Cory Snyder "Rated Rookies" and 2 or 3 Canseco and McGwire's. Although their real "rookie" cards were those 85 USA team cards. Or....if you were really "hard core" the 86 "traded" set. Did you have that, Wiseguy? I think I stupidly took that set out of the sealed box and stuck all the cards in a 3 ring binder. Not that they're really worth anything; that was right went the market tanked.

To me, the cadillac is Upper Deck 1989 and the hunt for Griffeys. And F*ck face (or was that 90?) ... true pimps know what I mean.

Sorry for veering so off topic. I don't want to hijack the thread with baseball card talk (or do I?) but nothing makes me more nostalgic for my teenage years than baseball cards and unsolved mysteries...sigh. the true halcyon days.

Yes, they still had the bubble gum in 87, and I can't tell you how many sticks of the stuff found their way into the garbage at my home. What I really hated about them was they sometimes ruined the backs of some of the cards. Ironically, I think they may have also included them in another card I liked to collect...Garbage Pail Kids.

My brother may have had some of the other sets you talked about, though I think he's since sold off most or all of his collection. He was the serious collector and had seemingly every card from every year and every brand in the 80's. I was 7 in 1987 and future sets of cards just didn't have the awesomeness of 87 Topps.

The whole hobby was ruined by idiots who had no interest in either the sport or the hobby, but just wanted to make a quick buck.

I don't know if Garbage Pail Kid cars were ever released in Australia, but the first 4 series were rebranded as Garbage Gang cards and released here between 1990-1991. Pretty much identical artwork, just a little smaller with a straight banner across the top of the card reading Garbage Gang. I purchased 2 later series of Garbage Pail Kids cards (8 & 9 I think) as a set from a collectables shop some years later.


Sorry, I've completely derailed the thread. :eek:

I'm pretty sure that the same actor who played Luis Diaz during his Final Appeal segment also played the anonymous caller who witnessed Rebecca Young's murder. It would make perfect sense since both segments were filmed in Florida in 1992 and if you need an actor down there to play two separate roles which require being fluent in Spanish, why not re-use him?

Obviously the call center in the Farina version being fake.

Obviously the call center in the Farina version being fake.
Ever since you got that awesome avatar, I imagine that being your facial expression as you type each post.

"The call center is fake? DISAPPOINTING!"

For all the times I've seen the Kurt McFall segment, I never noticed this until re-watching it again yesterday.

Stack says McFall left his house Saturday in Concord to go to Gabriel's house in the Bay area, and planned to return home Sunday. Stack then says Kurt's body was found 3 days later on Monday.

Er, I think someone's math was off there.

I'm pretty sure I already mentioned this is a previous thread but it falls under this topic as well.

Two interesting observations from the Cindy James segment:

1. The house shown to represent where she was living when the harassment started was also used in the Patsy Wright segment. The shot of the house at night is the exact same shot they used when Patsy called her sister to say something was wrong.

2. When Cindy's body was found, she was wearing red slacks and a pink blouse. The reenactment of her leaving the hospital shows the actress playing Cindy wearing red slacks and a pink blouse. Those two events actually happened about a year and a half apart but I always thought it was an interesting choice by the UM crew to have her wear that outfit.

I want that beautiful tragic karen carpenter loretta lynn wig the lady in the Nelson DeCloud segment was wearing

The Tallmans moved into their haunted house on my grandpa's 50th birthday.

Also, it's been 20 years (almost to the day) since Mathew and Wendy Jameson found $6500 in their yards in Fair Oaks. Doing a little research into public records, it looks like they've been divorced for a few years. Apparently married young because she was 19 when they found the money and he was 22.

I'm sure it's been mentioned, but I was watching the UM Marathon on Lifetime Movie Network yesterday and I noticed something.

I think we all already knew that for the most part, the "new" UM with Dennis Farina used a lot of the "old" dialogue (as in, a lot of Robert Stack's narration was reused by Dennis Farina.) I had just never noticed until yesterday how sub-par it is when compared to the original Stack narration.

Case in point: Dennis Farina is talking about an unknown assailant and makes the remark, "At this point, authorities don't know who. Or why." I can *hear* Robert Stack saying the same thing and it's about ten thousand times more effective. And creepy.

In the Phillip Breen segment, his fellow employee is credited simply as "Mortgage Company Treasurer" so maybe she did not want to be identified for some reason.

Yeah the How can he do this to us girl.

Something I didn't notice until tonight after all these years: Harold and Thelma Swain were born on holidays. Harold was born on the Fourth of July, and Thelma was born Christmas day.

Both were murdered exactly one year before I was born. :(

Other random thing: I found Missy Munday's son on Facebook and a picture of himself sitting next to a Ronald McDonald sculpture on a bench outside the McDonald's on Ali Al Salem airbase. DALLASTEXAN!! knows the one. :lol: I have nearly an identical photo of myself when I was there, so that was kind of trippy.

Other random thing: I found Missy Munday's son on Facebook and a picture of himself sitting next to a Ronald McDonald sculpture on a bench outside the McDonald's on Ali Al Salem airbase. DALLASTEXAN!! knows the one. :lol: I have nearly an identical photo of myself when I was there, so that was kind of trippy.

What's Missy doing now?

During the Connecticut River segment when the woman portraying Jane Boroski stopped to by a can of Soda, you clearly see a Pepsi Sign with a big black circle poorly covering it.

First, the interesting- the same FBI agent - Jana Monroe - appears in the Oba Chandler and Bonnie and Clyde 2001 segments.

Second, the infuriating - all the stock footage used as fill in Season 12 on Prime. I am running out of fimgers and toes to count the number of instances.

As a journalist, I also am infuriated about Prime cutting out the part from Sneha Phillips segment where her relative lied to the cameras in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 just to get her story on TV.

As a journalist, I also am infuriated about Prime cutting out the part from Sneha Phillips segment where her husband lied to the cameras in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 just to get his wife's story on TV.
Can you elaborate on this? I have a copy from Lifetime (I think right when it aired) and I don't recall anything about this. Unless it only showed in the original airing and was edited afterward.

Can you elaborate on this? I have a copy from Lifetime (I think right when it aired) and I don't recall anything about this. Unless it only showed in the original airing and was edited afterward.
I thought that the original UM segment on Sneha Phillips disappearance referenced a relative going on local TV after 9/11 saying when he last talked to her, she said she was going into the towers to help people.

But on further reflection, maybe it was The New York article on Sneha Phillips' disappearance where her relative's actions that I reference above came to light.

I thought that the original UM segment on Sneha Phillips disappearance referenced her husband going on local TV after 9/11 saying when he last talked to her, she said she was going into the towers to help people.

But on further reflection, maybe it was The New Yorker article on Sneha Phillips' disappearance where her husband's actions that I reference above came to light.
As far as I know, the UM segment never showed this. Instead, the husband claimed he last saw her (and spoke to her) before heading to work the day prior. And I believe either he or another interviewed relative speculated that she would have tried to help had she been passing by the scene.

Do you have a link to the article about her husband fabricating his story? I'm curious to check this out.

As far as I know, the UM segment never showed this. Instead, the husband claimed he last saw her (and spoke to her) before heading to work the day prior. And I believe either he or another interviewed relative speculated that she would have tried to help had she been passing by the scene.

Do you have a link to the article about her husband fabricating his story? I'm curious to check this out.

Link to article: http://nymag.com/news/features/17336/

I believe it is on page 2 of the link that there is a discussion about what I referred to.

Other random thing: I found Missy Munday's son on Facebook and a picture of himself sitting next to a Ronald McDonald sculpture on a bench outside the McDonald's on Ali Al Salem airbase. DALLASTEXAN!! knows the one. :lol: I have nearly an identical photo of myself when I was there, so that was kind of trippy.
Woah that is trippy! But also funny because of Ronald.

UM used the sweeping shot of the Golden Gate bridge for several segments involving San Francisco (starting with the Kurt McFall segment I believe). For segments involving Seattle, they used and re-used the shot of the ferry crossing Puget Sound (first used for the Cook/Van Cuylenborg segment, most appropriately).

UM was also very very careful for the most part to avoid showing any logos, signs or brand names. For instance, in the Fast Dry Glue Robber segment, the bank looked more like an innocuous office building in an industrial complex - probably due to the fact that Wells Fargo, oops, I mean, "the bank" wanted anonymity at the time. In the Wendy Camp segment, you only see the last few letters of the word "Wal-Mart", although it was mentioned by name later on.

In the Clarence Roberts segment, the second fire was noted as being on November 18, 1980, ten years to the day after the first fire. But Clarence's headstone notes the day of his death as November 29, 1980.

In the Clarence Roberts segment, the second fire was noted as being on November 18, 1980, ten years to the day after the first fire. But Clarence's headstone notes the day of his death as November 29, 1980.

I noticed this too and became curious about it years ago. Apparently, UM seems to have gotten it wrong according to a couple of articles I read, of which at least one gave the date of the second fire as that on Clarence's headstone, and at least one article distinctly mentions the fire as occurring very shortly after Thanksgiving. Given that, it seems unlikely the second fire occurred on November 18, as UM asserts. It does, however, make for a slightly zestier story. :)

Why the segment wasn't edited to reflect the probable correct information--especially in light of the fact that footage of the headstone clearly contradicting UM's second fire date was included and rather lingered upon--is something of an unsolved mystery unto itself.

Never thought I’d hear Barry Bonds kind of getting blamed for turning Craig Pritchert into a bank robber. Craig rode the pine when Bonds showed up at ASU. No more baseball star dreams. So he became with his girlfriend the new Bonnie and Clyde.

Just kidding ! I’m sure they really didn’t mean Bonds was the REASON he flamed out. It struck me funny though. Bonds has his troubles too of course (that little steroid thing).

Funny thing about the Dennis Walker segment. If you look closely, when you look at the scene where he walks into the memorabilia shop, you can see a movie poster for the 007 flick "The Living Daylights" posted on the wall to the left of the counter! That indicates the shop didn't necessarily cater specifically to baseball merchandise, but general memorabilia as well.

In the motherly instinct segment, I noticed that the Amazon version removes the picture of the birth mother of one of the adopted children. Perhaps it was at her own request?

UM was also very very careful for the most part to avoid showing any logos, signs or brand names. For instance, in the Fast Dry Glue Robber segment, the bank looked more like an innocuous office building in an industrial complex - probably due to the fact that Wells Fargo, oops, I mean, "the bank" wanted anonymity at the time. In the Wendy Camp segment, you only see the last few letters of the word "Wal-Mart", although it was mentioned by name later on.

It's the same in the Rachel Timmerman/Marvin Gabrion segment. When her dad is speaking and mentions that Rachel allegedly wrote that note that said she was going on vacation, her dad said, "Why would she do that? She *just* got that job at McDo…. at the restaurant..."

UM used the sweeping shot of the Golden Gate bridge for several segments involving San Francisco (starting with the Kurt McFall segment I believe). For segments involving Seattle, they used and re-used the shot of the ferry crossing Puget Sound (first used for the Cook/Van Cuylenborg segment, most appropriately).

If i remember right, the same establishing shot of Las Vegas shot was used in part of the Dan Weeks segment and later the Tupac Shakur segment and later still, the Star Palumbo segment.

If i remember right, the same establishing shot of Las Vegas shot was used in part of the Dan Weeks segment and later the Tupac Shakur segment and later still, the Star Palumbo segment.

Also the Max Carson segment.

What's funny about it is that the footage concludes by featuring a seemingly random apartment building. It is actually the apartment Robert Weeks lived in, and is described as such in Karl Malden's narration in that segment. In that context of course it makes sense, but less so as UM recycled it for other segments.

ALSO: noticed a couple of weeks ago that the would-be hitman from the Bob Arcieri segment is the same guy that played the hitchhiker in the Phillip Fraser segment.

UM was also very very careful for the most part to avoid showing any logos, signs or brand names. For instance, in the Fast Dry Glue Robber segment, the bank looked more like an innocuous office building in an industrial complex - probably due to the fact that Wells Fargo, oops, I mean, "the bank" wanted anonymity at the time. In the Wendy Camp segment, you only see the last few letters of the word "Wal-Mart", although it was mentioned by name later on.

This was not an issue in the Michael Rosenblum segment where in the reenactment, he's pumping gas to Lisa's car right in front of a Little Caesars, which is in full view.

Always in the mood for a slice of pizza when the segment gets to that part.

This was not an issue in the Michael Rosenblum segment where in the reenactment, he's pumping gas to Lisa's car right in front of a Little Caesars, which is in full view.

Always in the mood for a slice of pizza when the segment gets to that part.

I noticed that, too, with the same reaction :lol:

If it wasn't for the fact it was filmed 30 years ago, I would've tried to locate the filming location on Google Maps...

I noticed that, too, with the same reaction :lol:

If it wasn't for the fact it was filmed 30 years ago, I would've tried to locate the filming location on Google Maps...
I can tell you that that location was at the corner of Forbes avenue and Murray avenue in Pittsburgh. gas station is no longer there.

I can tell you that that location was at the corner of Forbes avenue and Murray avenue in Pittsburgh. gas station is no longer there.

I figured it had probably changed quite a bit since filming :)

I can tell you that that location was at the corner of Forbes avenue and Murray avenue in Pittsburgh. gas station is no longer there.

For some reason, I have always tried to find this location. I found that street corner location in street view, but it looks nothing like the location where it was filmed, even with the changes in 30 years, are we sure this is the exact location?

For some reason, I have always tried to find this location. I found that street corner location in street view, but it looks nothing like the location where it was filmed, even with the changes in 30 years, are we sure this is the exact location?

I noticed that too. It's possible UM chose to film at a random gas station because I think the actual gas station might have already been gone by 1989 when the segment was filmed.

Otherwise, they were accurate with the River Road and Rosenblum house filming sites.

In the Michael Rosenblum segment the footage of the men climbing the steep mountainside was recycled several more times in other stories.

In the Michael Rosenblum segment the footage of the men climbing the steep mountainside was recycled several more times in other stories.

I'm surprised I never caught that. It's very visually distinct...

I'm almost ashamed of myself lol

During the Nyleen Kay Marshall segment -- there is a supposed letter from the kidnapper and the detective from the case is describing it and he references what would be described as "sexual abuse."

For a moment they flash the typewritten letter on screen and you can clearly see what he is referring to. Kind of surprised that made air.

During the Nyleen Kay Marshall segment -- there is a supposed letter from the kidnapper and the detective from the case is describing it and he references what would be described as "sexual abuse."

For a moment they flash the typewritten letter on screen and you can clearly see what he is referring to. Kind of surprised that made air.

Search the boards. Some rockstar actually transcribed that letter.

Search the boards. Some rockstar actually transcribed that letter.

I was just kind of shook that NBC would show the portion of the letter that described the sex abuse on camera.

I've been watching the prime editions, and am glad that most scenes cut in syndication were restored. But I noticed an odd one being cut. In the Amber Swartz segment, there's a moment where Tim Bindner tells Kim Swartz, "Of course, now we're looking for a dead body" and she shuts the door on him. Kim in her interview is saying this is the first time that anyone ever brought up the morbid possibility to her. There's also a brief moment where he's near tears going "I want to be the one to find her!" before coldly telling her that it will be her daughter's body being found instead. His creepy voicemail on Kim Swartz's answering machine is also cut from the broadcast in addition to Kim expressing her views of Bindner. Perhaps they feared litigation from Bindner (because he took umbrage with the original broadcast)?

I've been watching the prime editions, and am glad that most scenes cut in syndication were restored. But I noticed an odd one being cut. In the Amber Swartz segment, there's a moment where Tim Bindner tells Kim Swartz, "Of course, now we're looking for a dead body" and she shuts the door on him. Kim in her interview is saying this is the first time that anyone ever brought up the morbid possibility to her. There's also a brief moment where he's near tears going "I want to be the one to find her!" before coldly telling her that it will be her daughter's body being found instead. His creepy voicemail on Kim Swartz's answering machine is also cut from the broadcast in addition to Kim expressing her views of Bindner. Perhaps they feared litigation from Bindner (because he took umbrage with the original broadcast)?

I noticed that too and your guess is what I surmise as well. Didn't he win some kind of lawsuit or something somewhere along the way related to his being a suspect in those abductions?

I noticed that too and your guess is what I surmise as well. Didn't he win some kind of lawsuit or something somewhere along the way related to his being a suspect in those abductions?

I believe he did and it was mentioned in the segment (even in this cut version). Sounds like the city settled with him. But I have to wonder if he was perhaps upset by the UM segment so they decided not to chance it and cut those portions. One part they cut (that I can't believe I didn't realize before) is when a man claimed he saw Bindner with Amber (or some little girl who resembled her) and threw her in a car. I could definitely see why they would do away with that part. Maybe once the segment was released he complained to UM about his portrayal (his behavior at Kim's door with the "body" comment, the voicemail, and the eyewitness claim)?

Interestingly enough, they did keep the part where he was writing letters to little girls that they had to hold up to a mirror in order to read.

In the Don Smith segment, I saw a boom mic visible in the bathroom as police make way into the motel room. Upon rewinding to confirm, the officer who makes entry is missing half his thumb.

I've been killing a bit of time and watching UM segments on YT to round off the decade :D

Watching the Richard Rice segment, I noticed a couple of people played themselves in the segment. Something quite common in the earlier episodes. Another observation was his daughter Kathy Clements seems to have a pretty amazing looking House when they showed her getting the fake letter out of her mailbox, lol.

What a nasty piece of work that witch of a wife Astarte was. She clearly murdered Rice and fleeced all of his money. :(

Happy New Year 2020 everyone! party:

I've been killing a bit of time and watching UM segments on YT to round off the decade :D

Watching the Richard Rice segment, I noticed a couple of people played themselves in the segment. Something quite common in the earlier episodes. ....

In the Shane Stewart and Sally McNelly segment, Shane's dad plays himself in all the segments, which I found odd because they re-enact the scene where they find the body and the Sheriff is telling him that they found the body and it was in pretty bad condition. I just found that odd that he would want to re-live that moment.

In the Keith Warren segment when his mother gets the pictures on her door step there is a note warning her that two people will be next. The cut off the part the has the second person's name and they are never mentioned. I often wondered if the person they cut off and neglected to mention was also a suspect. Sometimes people will try to throw the investigation by making themselves a target as well.

I am probably the only one who noticed in the Men in Black segment when the woman describes seeing one of them in New York City, there is a brief shot of the traffic lights in the background. To my knowledge, only Alberta and Texas hang their traffic lights in that style and definitely not New York.

In the Keith Warren segment when his mother gets the pictures on her door step there is a note warning her that two people will be next. The cut off the part the has the second person's name and they are never mentioned. I often wondered if the person they cut off and neglected to mention was also a suspect. Sometimes people will try to throw the investigation by making themselves a target as well.

He was not a suspect and he was never harmed in any way.

Noticed another thing with the Amazon segments. Sometimes music is completely extracted from a scene. The most memorable one for me is the poignant scene where Judy Himes was at the abortion clinic and her name was called. There was some emotion music and now it's completely silent. This may have something to do with the editing process, as they did put some (but not all) scenes back in that were removed from syndication.

Delores Baczkowski looks exactly like Jim Baczkowski but with long hair.

Noticed another thing with the Amazon segments. Sometimes music is completely extracted from a scene. The most memorable one for me is the poignant scene where Judy Himes was at the abortion clinic and her name was called. There was some emotion music and now it's completely silent. This may have something to do with the editing process, as they did put some (but not all) scenes back in that were removed from syndication.

I also noticed this.

The music has been changed in some segments, too. Two examples I can think of off the top of my head is when the route of the Swedish hitchhikers was described (complete with creepy superimposed map) and the end of the Gary Simmons segment. Interestingly enough, it's the same score substituted for both, but not substituted for the same piece of music.

And occasionally, music is added where none existed in the original, like the end of the Angela Hammond segment

I don't ever remember Lu Hanessian being featured on any of the Lifetime re-runs and honestly don't remember her at all. The Film Rise segments have her filling in for Keely Shaye Smith on 2 or 3 episodes.

Noticed another thing with the Amazon segments. Sometimes music is completely extracted from a scene. The most memorable one for me is the poignant scene where Judy Himes was at the abortion clinic and her name was called. There was some emotion music and now it's completely silent. This may have something to do with the editing process, as they did put some (but not all) scenes back in that were removed from syndication.

In addition to the Judy Himes segment, the creepy music of when the little girl discovers Judy's car is gone as well. This segment had chunks removed for viewing on Lifetime. Maybe that was editing thing like you said.

Who?

He was not a suspect and he was never harmed in any way.

Who?

Who?

The 2nd person named in the note Keith Warren's mother received. It said something to the effect of, "don't worry Mark Finley and" this person "would be next". That 2nd person named in the note was never harmed, and actually called the police to report Keith's mother for harassment. This person was a white man, FWIW.

I didn't realize that the Raver family was in the Rosemary Altea segment (in the very beginning, sitting in the room of people listening to her). I'm glad they were able to have Rachael's case profiled on the show soon afterward.

I'm currently watching the Ricardo Caputo segment on YT. Apart from the creepy music throughout the segment, I'm shocked the (Mexico City?) newspaper appears to show a full on crime scene photo of Laura Maree Gomez slumped across her bed!

What an absolute monster he was.

Jimmy Aprile really likes plaid shirts.

I remember the episode with west coast rapper Young Lay (Lathan Williams) where his child was kidnapped and his child's mother was murdered. In the segment he must have said "you know what I'm saying" about 100 times. I am not kidding. It drove me crazy.

Jeff Digman's dad has a small piece of roadkill on his head and DC Cole has a stain on the neck of his turtleneck.

The man who finds Katherine Hobbs's body in the reenactment is wear a Lions Billy Sims jersey (this was before Barry sanders was there and wore the same number 20).

I've mentioned this years ago but in the Jeffrey MacDonald segment, Jim Blackburn is adamant MacDonald is guilty. But when he discusses Kristen MacDonald's death, he says "...and whoever killed her..." then mentions the bottle of chocolate milk. He's so convinced MacDonald is guilty, but then speaks in a way that expresses doubt. I know it may just be semantics, but I found it odd.

Old Billy The Kid also built a staircase for the Nuns in New Mexico :)

Kenneth Robert Stanton (the real guy not the actor) resembles my old next door neighbor.

So we all know the Dennie Depue segment. I was just thinking about this the other day. He already had a fake license plate to put over his van license plate. Why would he already have this if he wasn't planning on doing something to send him into hiding/on the run? I've seen comments on here that his interviewed coworker was "dramatic" by stating that he appeared to be contemplating murder ahead of time, but it sounds like the case. His son not wanting to go with him that day was just an excuse he used to finally act. That being said, I really hope his son never believed it was his fault that his dad snapped, as he was clearly unstable and plotting long before showing up that day.

Well In the Michael Rosenblum case there's a little Caesar pizzeria in the background, also they are two segments the Irene love segment a scene where she's looking at Old photographs and she's wearing a sleeveless top of lime green black with white stripes you also can see the same shirt during the Iceman segment worn by the carnival spectators.

I've noticed in regards to featuring younger victims, they're almost always described as popular along with another feature or accomplishment....

Jenny Pratt - Pretty and popular

Chad Maurer - Popular and a well rounded athlete

Rhonda Hinson - Popular girl and excellent tennis player

Gus Hoffman - Popular and a mechanical whiz

Joyce McLain - Popular and well loved

Angela Hammond - A popular young woman

This may be true in every instance but this description was so overused that it eventually became redundant. For Joyce McLain, it was just in addition to a laundry list of accomplishments and positive traits. Tracy Kirkpatrick was described as introspective and pretty. Kari Lynn Nixon got the very short end of the stick being described as an above average student.

If it's a segment about a young person, I now get surprised if I don't hear the word, 'popular.'

I've noticed in regards to featuring younger victims, they're almost always described as popular along with another feature or accomplishment....

Jenny Pratt - Pretty and popular

Chad Maurer - Popular and a well rounded athlete

Rhonda Hinson - Popular girl and excellent tennis player

Gus Hoffman - Popular and a mechanical whiz

Joyce McLain - Popular and well loved

Angela Hammond - A popular young woman

This may be true in every instance but this description was so overused that it eventually became redundant. For Joyce McLain, it was just in addition to a laundry list of accomplishments and positive traits. Tracy Kirkpatrick was described as introspective and pretty. Kari Lynn Nixon got the very short end of the stick being described as an above average student.

If it's a segment about a young person, I now get surprised if I don't hear the word, 'popular.'

Was just reading this as I was watching the Kathy Hobbs case. They went with "isolated, introverted girl"

I've noticed in regards to featuring younger victims, they're almost always described as popular along with another feature or accomplishment....

Jenny Pratt - Pretty and popular

Chad Maurer - Popular and a well rounded athlete

Rhonda Hinson - Popular girl and excellent tennis player

Gus Hoffman - Popular and a mechanical whiz

Joyce McLain - Popular and well loved

Angela Hammond - A popular young woman

This may be true in every instance but this description was so overused that it eventually became redundant. For Joyce McLain, it was just in addition to a laundry list of accomplishments and positive traits. Tracy Kirkpatrick was described as introspective and pretty. Kari Lynn Nixon got the very short end of the stick being described as an above average student.

If it's a segment about a young person, I now get surprised if I don't hear the word, 'popular.'

I used to watch some of these episodes when I was in 7th grade. I must have been thinking "why can't I be popular like them?"

At the beginning of the Heather Tallchief segment, they show a clip of Tim McClure gambling in the casino.

At the beginning of the Heather Tallchief segment, they show a clip of Tim McClure gambling in the casino.

Nice catch! I never noticed it. Here it is:

https://youtu.be/bXtQVzjS6e0?t=146

At the very beginning of the Mahfuz Huq segment (Love Triangle) they show a shot of Todd's cottage and you can hear Christie's scream when she discovers his body.

That exact scream is a famous reused sound effect that I've heard in many horror movies throughout the years. It's typically used when you need to hear a woman's scream from a far distance.

You can even listen to the scream sound effect on YouTube....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJZAuW8mH0c

Apparently, Charles Shelton's real life son portrayed him in the reenactment. That explains the uncanny resemblance!

At the beginning of the Heather Tallchief segment, they show a clip of Tim McClure gambling in the casino.

What caught your attention first? His long hair or his unusual height of 6'5"?:lol:

Apparently, Charles Shelton's real life son portrayed him in the reenactment. That explains the uncanny resemblance!

In the Kari Lynn Nixon segment, Kari is portrayed by her younger sister. Lori.

At the beginning of the Heather Tallchief segment, they show a clip of Tim McClure gambling in the casino.

Amazing that you managed to spot him gambling in the casino, but no one at the actual casino that night did! :confused:

The guy who played Brushy Bill Roberts also played the carpenter on the spiral staircase segment.

The guy who played Brushy Bill Roberts also played the carpenter on the spiral staircase segment.

Billy the Kid built the Loretto Chapel staircase, confirmed :lol:

Certain pieces of information shared about Keith Warren on this site has not been mentioned or talked about in the public space. Just an observation.

Dannion Brinkley had a Led Zeppelin Poster on his wall when he got struck by lightning.

Hey Cars, who is that guy with the baseball cap in your Avatar?

Cheers! :)

Hey Cars, who is that guy with the baseball cap in your Avatar?

Cheers! :)

I know I am not Cars, but isn't it the guy who took advantage of those who frequented a nudist colony in Florida? Ran a video shop too?

I know I am not Cars, but isn't it the guy who took advantage of those who frequented a nudist colony in Florida? Ran a video shop too?

Yeah. William Eugene Hilliard

In the Look at it Omar segment, they mention that the police found a pestle used for grinding herbs in satanic rituals. I thought that was really funny because I have one that I use to grind herbs for homebrewing beer and my wife uses it for cooking. It just seemed funny to me that they had to throw in the potential satanism aspect. Also I love the fact that the family just grabs an unlabeled VHS tape off the side of a road and just pops it in the VCR and starts watching it like they bought a copy of the movie Airplane. Great entertainment for the whole family, right?

My favourite piece of UM date trivia: Frederick Valentich's abduction took place on October 21, 1978, the day I was born. So, of course, I can only assume that the two events are somehow related ;) .

My 13th birthday was the day before Marilyn Depue's murder down in Coldwater (I'm from Central MI). Very wild.

Also I love the fact that the family just grabs an unlabeled VHS tape off the side of a road and just pops it in the VCR and starts watching it like they bought a copy of the movie Airplane. Great entertainment for the whole family, right?

That's the most bizarre aspect of the entire segment for me. If I was walking down the road and found a VHS in a jacket with heavy metal tapes and stuff, the absolute last thing I would've done is have the kids and everyone gather 'round the tv for a show.

"Oh, look, kids! It's Faces of Death!"

In the Eric Tamiyasu segment, when he & his friend are on their first date, they go, "What do you do for fun?" "Golf." I guess the reenactment writers really didn't want to waste a line, because as Robert Stack narrates, you can hear the actors go again, "What do you do for fun?" "Golf."

In the Eric Tamiyasu segment, when he & his friend are on their first date, they go, "What do you do for fun?" "Golf." I guess the reenactment writers really didn't want to waste a line, because as Robert Stack narrates, you can hear the actors go again, "What do you do for fun?" "Golf."

Maybe they just wanted to hammer home the fact that they liked golf :lol:

In the Eric Tamiyasu segment, when he & his friend are on their first date, they go, "What do you do for fun?" "Golf." I guess the reenactment writers really didn't want to waste a line, because as Robert Stack narrates, you can hear the actors go again, "What do you do for fun?" "Golf."

This is extra funny to me because weren't they supposed to have been friends for years? That's literally the first line of the segment that they had been friends/known each other for years. :lol:

Guy Patterson's dad (That Thing You Do) also portrays the university official that notifies Richard Bocklage he is flunking out of pharmacy school.

Guy Patterson's dad (That Thing You Do) also portrays the university official that notifies Richard Bocklage he is flunking out of pharmacy school.

I guess he'll have to go work at Telemart, instead. :lol:

This is extra funny to me because weren't they supposed to have been friends for years? That's literally the first line of the segment that they had been friends/known each other for years. :lol:

I thought the same thing! What an amazing date.

This is extra funny to me because weren't they supposed to have been friends for years? That's literally the first line of the segment that they had been friends/known each other for years. :lol:

My thought was they were friends but maybe more friends because they had a mutual friend and they always hung out in a group. I had that happen to me and once the man and I (we're no longer together) began hanging out one on one, we did learn a lot more about each other we didn't know otherwise as part of a group.

My thought was they were friends but maybe more friends because they had a mutual friend and they always hung out in a group. I had that happen to me and once the man and I (we're no longer together) began hanging out one on one, we did learn a lot more about each other we didn't know otherwise as part of a group.

That's definitely a possibility! I don't know much about the hobbies of my acquaintances/people who are more friends of friends.

IDK where else to put this...but if you watch over the course of the series, in most all of the re-enactments Robert Stack narrates over top of a lot of the characters dialogue.

In an Unsolved Mysteries world where you could have anything you want...i kind of find myself wishing i could just hear all of the dialogue from the characters on an "alternate audio" track. I've seen all of the segments and most of my favorite segments a thousand times, it would give a neat, different look at each one.

I believe the footage in question was also used in the Michael Rosenbloom segment.

And Nyleen Marshall and Keith Reinhardt

The Lee Selwyn segment:

Stack says the offending vehicle was either a red and white Ford Bronco II or a Chevy S10 Blazer.

If you'll notice in the segment, in some shots it's a Bronco and in others it's a Blazer.

I always thought that was a pretty clever way to portray the fact that it's unknown exactly which one it is.

IDK where else to put this...but if you watch over the course of the series, in most all of the re-enactments Robert Stack narrates over top of a lot of the characters dialogue.

I’ve read that overdubbed Stack narration was a trick the producers used to cover up lousy acting.

I’ve read that overdubbed Stack narration was a trick the producers used to cover up lousy acting.

Yeah i think i read that too...but the lousy acting was part of the show's charm!

I’ve read that overdubbed Stack narration was a trick the producers used to cover up lousy acting.

Lousy acting? Unsolved Mysteries? Nah…I still get weepy whenever I hear the words “They’ve got Jonathan”. :happyface

The cyanide murders in St Croix, the daughter who appeared on camera was only IDed as "Victim's Daughter".

In "Debbie" she appeared in silhouette while her sister appeared on camera but was not given any name and just interviewed.

In the Thumper episode I believe that is the only one where the cops were in silhouette because of the war on drugs

Bruce Phillips, the detective interviewed about Father John Kerrigan had a striking resemblance to serial killer John Wayne Gacy. Moreso if Gacy ever shaved off his mustache.

No offense meant to the detective, who I'm sure was an honest, law abiding person. But if UM ever did a segment back in the day that ever studied Gacy, the Montana detective would probably be the perfect actor choice for a reenactment on looks alone.

I found it surprising that Barbara Piotrowski was willing to disclose both her new name and her new city in the UM segment. That is not a criticism - it's her life and she's perfectly entitled to disclose what she likes. It's the first case I've seen where someone went to the trouble of changing their name and moving away, then made that information public.

Bruce Phillips, the detective interviewed about Father John Kerrigan had a striking resemblance to serial killer John Wayne Gacy. Moreso if Gacy ever shaved off his mustache.

No offense meant to the detective, who I'm sure was an honest, law abiding person. But if UM ever did a segment back in the day that ever studied Gacy, the Montana detective would probably be the perfect actor choice for a reenactment on looks alone.

Holy crap he did. I just re-watched that segment last night after the discussion in another thread.
I found it odd even as a kid that a donut shop would be so crowded at 11 on a Saturday night in such a small town, or really anywhere!

In the Jeanine Nicarico segment, the actor playing the detective is leaning against a Jaycee Dugard missing poster https://youtu.be/Ixd-TahT6hI?t=398

In the Jeanine Nicarico segment, the actor playing the detective is leaning against a Jaycee Dugard missing poster https://youtu.be/Ixd-TahT6hI?t=398

It’s funny you mention that because I was recently watching George A Romero’s Knightriders. There’s a scene in a police department and there’s a wanted poster for Brad Bishop on the wall.

In the Tom Kueter case, in reference to the sabotage to Tina's front left tire, Robert Stack said, "It suggested foul play, perhaps murder.". Aren't they the same thing? 🤔

In both the Christi Nichols and Stanley Gryziec segments, the same background song (starts off with "oh yeahhh......") is playing in the bar scenes (where Mark/Christi walk into the bar where she worked & where Stanley's killers walk into his brother's bar to meet up with the shadowy figure who was paying them)

They played a version of I Only Have Eyes For You in the Louis Carlucci segment