enough said

Personally, I don't think enough can be said about this series. It was often nominated for an Emmy, but it lost (at least twice if my memory serves me) to another MTM series, Lou Grant. One reason that the show did not last is that it was always on in the 8 pm slot. It might have fared better in the ratings if it had been a 10 pm show. I do not know of anyone who watched the White Shadow with regularity that did not refer to it as "Excellent."

Personally, enough cannot be said about this great series. I do not know of anyone who was a fan of the Carver High basketball team that did not describe this show as "Excellent." It was nominated for an emmy, but lost out to another MTM series, Lou Grant.

This show was outstanding. Ken Howard deserved at least 1 emmy nomination for his underplayed acting in the show and the show seemlessly mixed comedy into the drama. Almost every actor was outstanding and the show was a good showcase for African American actors; virtually every up and coming black actor of that era who was available to do tv turns up in an episode and they didn't have to resort to casting them in more than one role since the show only lasted 50 something episodes. Even the third year which is clearly not as good as the other 2 is quite entertaining.

One complaint is that the actors who played the team members weren't teenagers, but in their 20s (some were pushing 30!), yet the drama and acting that was required to pull this show off probably required actors who were a bit more seasoned to make it work. Those guys in their 20s looked like 20 somethings but they acted like inner city teens.

Still for a show that didn't run that long, I remember it doing well in reruns, so justice was served in the end.

Does anyone know if there are plans for it to be on DVD soon?

Originally posted by Jrnygrl
Does anyone know if there are plans for it to be on DVD soon?

It's my #2 most wanted show on dvd, so I've been actively looking out for info. Unfortunately, nothing yet.

Originally posted by vashti1999
It's my #2 most wanted show on dvd, so I've been actively looking out for info. Unfortunately, nothing yet.

I know I want this one so bad. I remember ESPN Classic used to show it in the mornings and I would always run late for work because I was watching.

What is everyone's favorite episode?

Mine would have to be:

The one where the autistic kid was placed on the team.

The one where Peter Horton had to change schools because everyone thought he was gay.

The one with the Harlem Globetrotters.

When Coolidge almost left school to go pro.

When Salami and his cousin got jobs as repo men.

When the team busted Jackson for stealing and found out he was a junky. And when Jackson's girlfriend comes back and he finds out she is working the streets.

The reunion of the team, and we get to see what happened to them after they left Carver.

The one where the guy from Police Academy has a mental problem.

Originally posted by Jrnygrl
I know I want this one so bad. I remember ESPN Classic used to show it in the mornings and I would always run late for work because I was watching.

What is everyone's favorite episode?

Mine would have to be:

The one where the autistic kid was placed on the team.

The one where Peter Horton had to change schools because everyone thought he was gay.


When Coolidge almost left school to go pro.




Off the top of my head those three are just a few of my favorites. I'll have to look at an episode guide to jog my memory on some of the episodes, but I had a bunch of favorites. Unfortunately I didn't catch it much when it was on ESPN Classic, but I did back when it aired on Nick at Nite. I'm wishing some channel would show it now if it's not going to be released on dvd sometime in the near future.

Originally posted by Jrnygrl
The one where the autistic kid was placed on the team.


I just watched that episode the other night (I taped most of the episodes off Nick at Nite in 1994 & '95). I've been trying to find the episode where they get a new player & he collapses & dies during practice (can't remember what he died from though). I haven't seen it in a while but I remember the boy's family wouldn't speak to Reeves at the funeral or something. I know it's on one of my tapes, I just haven't come across that episode yet because I'm gonna end up watching all the episodes again lol
2 of my favorite episodes are:

When Reeves takes the team to play golf at a racist country club
&
The one where Gonzales' father is beating him

One thing I like about the show is how each player on the team had episodes centered around them individually :cool:

OMG Dr. Jazz, I completely forgot about that episode where the guy dies, wasn't he played by Lorenze Tate???

What about the episode where Jackson is murdered, I actually cried during that episode.

Originally posted by Jrnygrl
OMG Dr. Jazz, I completely forgot about that episode where the guy dies, wasn't he played by Lorenze Tate???


I don't know who played him but it wasn't Larenz Tate because he would've only been 4 or 5 years old when they made that episode :lol:

Originally posted by Dr. Jazz
I don't know who played him but it wasn't Larenz Tate because he would've only been 4 or 5 years old when they made that episode :lol:

Okay your right.:crazy: :crazy: :lol: :lol:

Originally posted by Jrnygrl
I know I want this one so bad. I remember ESPN Classic used to show it in the mornings and I would always run late for work because I was watching.

What is everyone's favorite episode?

.

Haywood Nelson played the kid who died during practice. This show had so many good episodes though. I liked:

The one when Haywood gets a gun to avenge his cousin's death from a drug overdose,

The one where Thorpe gets VD from Coolidge's girlfriend (he was going to set Coolidge up with a skank to play it off),

The one where Thorpe gets shot by the police,

The one where Wardell accidentally saves the woman from the car,

The next to last episode with Richard Lawson as the burnt out teacher.

The one where Jackson is murdered- I liked that they had the same actors playing his father and little brother in this as in an earlier episode- the actor that played his father on the show was the actor's father in real life. The guy who played Thorpe's father was his father in real life too. And they also had the same actors playing Haywood's family in about 3 different episodes. Great consistency!

The actors in this show were really good and they were cast for their acting abilities, not their looks. None of the team members (well except for Stoney jackson with the dripping jheri curls and tight trousers) were ovewhelmingly good looking or there merely to draw female viewers.

Originally posted by jamesanthony
None of the team members (well except for Stoney jackson with the dripping jheri curls and tight trousers) were ovewhelmingly good looking or there merely to draw female viewers.


Wolfe Perry (Teddy Rutherford) was good looking. He looks just like me.

Originally posted by jamesanthony
Haywood Nelson played the kid who died during practice. This show had so many good episodes though. I liked:

The one when Haywood gets a gun to avenge his cousin's death from a drug overdose,

The one where Thorpe gets VD from Coolidge's girlfriend (he was going to set Coolidge up with a skank to play it off),

The one where Thorpe gets shot by the police,

The one where Wardell accidentally saves the woman from the car,

The next to last episode with Richard Lawson as the burnt out teacher.

The one where Jackson is murdered- I liked that they had the same actors playing his father and little brother in this as in an earlier episode- the actor that played his father on the show was the actor's father in real life. The guy who played Thorpe's father was his father in real life too. And they also had the same actors playing Haywood's family in about 3 different episodes. Great consistency!

The actors in this show were really good and they were cast for their acting abilities, not their looks. None of the team members (well except for Stoney jackson with the dripping jheri curls and tight trousers) were ovewhelmingly good looking or there merely to draw female viewers.

Thanks for posting the info about Haywood Nelson being the kid who dies.

And sorry to disappoint you but, even though this was a great show and the actors were wonderful, and the storylines wonderful, there were a lot of us girls who were in love with the guys on the show. I had a major crush on Kevin Hooks and Thomas Carter. The next day at school that is all we talked about, them and the story too.;) :D

Originally posted by vashti1999
Wolfe Perry (Teddy Rutherford) was good looking. He looks just like me.

LOL- Truthfully though, if this show were made today I doubt they would cast actors who looked like Nathan Cook and the guy who played Jackson. They would go for actors who looked more like fashion models. In the days since this show ran the parameters of what is considered handsome for a male have narrowed considerably.

One thing I did notice is that the guy who played Haywood wore very tight trousers on this series- I guess that was there for sex appeal.

Overall the actors were rather realistic looking- they didn't look like models. Kevin Hooks, Rutherford and whoever were good looking in a realistic but not glamorous and exaggerated way.

Originally posted by jamesanthony
LOL- Truthfully though, if this show were made today I doubt they would cast actors who looked like Nathan Cook and the guy who played Jackson. They would go for actors who looked more like fashion models. In the days since this show ran the parameters of what is considered handsome for a male have narrowed considerably.

One thing I did notice is that the guy who played Haywood wore very tight trousers on this series- I guess that was there for sex appeal.

Overall the actors were rather realistic looking- they didn't look like models. Kevin Hooks, Rutherford and whoever were good looking in a realistic but not glamorous and exaggerated way.

And don't forget that belly shirt Haywood wore! He had great abs! LOL :grineyes: :eyes:

But I know what you mean. They would have someone like a Justin Timberlake playing Salami, and there would probably be no Abner Goldstein. I think Bruce Paltrow wanted a real feel with this show and he got it, because we could relate to it. Not like today's reality crap.

Hey Vash, I remember Wolfe Perry, he was cute too.

Originally posted by Jrnygrl
And don't forget that belly shirt Haywood wore! He had great abs! LOL :grineyes: :eyes:

But I know what you mean. They would have someone like a Justin Timberlake playing Salami (Timothy Van Patten wasn't bad himself, he too had a great six pack. LOL), and there would probably be no Abner Goldstein. I think Bruce Paltrow wanted a real feel with this show and he got it, because we could relate to it. Not like today's reality crap.

Hey Vash, I remember Wolfe Perry, he was cute too.

Don't know what I just did here, disregard!:lol: :lol: :lol: :D

Originally posted by Jrnygrl
And don't forget that belly shirt Haywood wore! He had great abs! LOL :grineyes: :eyes:

But I know what you mean. They would have someone like a Justin Timberlake playing Salami, and there would probably be no Abner Goldstein. I think Bruce Paltrow wanted a real feel with this show and he got it, because we could relate to it. Not like today's reality crap.

Hey Vash, I remember Wolfe Perry, he was cute too.

I agree about the Justin Timberlake comment. Today tv execs wouldn't have enough faith in the show in and of itself, they would want to sex it up so to speak to get people to watch.

The players wore very short short pants too, but actually I remember that we wore shorts that were short like that in gym class or even in the neighborhood, so that was more in keeping with reality than just being sexually provocative. As for the clothes no one wore anything too fancy, no name brand stuff, jeans etc. I miss that era. It was a much simpler time. The high school was supposed to be in a rough area (Watts, I think) but there were no metal detectors etc. I don't remember any episode where a teacher or student got shot or murdered on school property even though there were gangs about the place.

Speaking of Wolfe Perry the one episode that showcased him from what I remember is the one with Richard Lawson as the teacher who gets disgusted and gives all the kids good grades. The look of utter disbelief on Wolfe Perry's face at the end when Lawson resigned and walked out was very realistic. Some producer should do another series about the inner city, there are a lot of good stories to be told. But they'd have to have writers or consultants who are not so Hollywoodized that they make it realistic and give the characters dignity.

Originally posted by jamesanthony
Some producer should do another series about the inner city, there are a lot of good stories to be told. But they'd have to have writers or consultants who are not so Hollywoodized that they make it realistic and give the characters dignity.

They did that a few years ago with Dangerous Minds and 413 Hope Street. Each lasted a season, if that long. I'd like to see that too but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that type of series to come along anytime in the near future.

Originally posted by vashti1999
They did that a few years ago with Dangerous Minds and 413 Hope Street. Each lasted a season, if that long. I'd like to see that too but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that type of series to come along anytime in the near future.

I never saw Dangerous Minds the tv show, although I saw the film and the film was very cliched to me. A better idea is a series about a teacher who is a person of color but from a middle or upper class background or maybe from overseas who goes to teach or work in the ghetto. That could bring up a lot of class comedy.

I never saw 413 either but I think the fact that FOX axe it made producer Damon Wayans settle for doing a show like My Wife and Kids which is pretty unremarkable and not that funny IMO.

Both of those shows were from like 1997. Other than the Wire which is about drug dealers the networks or even some cable channel should consider producing something set in the ghetto that is about something other than the cops going after drug dealers but I guess in the minds of Hollywood that type of setting isn't escapist or uplifting or whatever.

Originally posted by jamesanthony
I never saw Dangerous Minds the tv show, although I saw the film and the film was very cliched to me. A better idea is a series about a teacher who is a person of color but from a middle or upper class background or maybe from overseas who goes to teach or work in the ghetto. That could bring up a lot of class comedy.


The movie and the tv series don't belong in the same sentence. That's how good the show was. I hadn't seen the movie until after the series already aired, and they made a great series out of a bland movie. Don't judge the show by the movie; the film pales in comparison to the show. The series was definitely one of the grittier, realistic and smart shows on tv at the time.

Concerning another point you made in your post, there was a series "Matt Waters" starring Montel Williams somewhat along the lines you mentioned. I don't remember the school being based in the ghetto, necessarily, but it's close to the synopsis you described. That lasted 6 episodes.

Originally posted by vashti1999
The movie and the tv series don't belong in the same sentence. That's how good the show was. I hadn't seen the movie until after the series already aired, and they made a great series out of a bland movie. Don't judge the show by the movie; the film pales in comparison to the show. The series was definitely one of the grittier, realistic and smart shows on tv at the time.

Concerning another point you made in your post, there was a series "Matt Waters" starring Montel Williams somewhat along the lines you mentioned. I don't remember the school being based in the ghetto, necessarily, but it's close to the synopsis you described. That lasted 6 episodes.

A tv show based on a movie that is actually better than the movie- that is a rarity indeed.

I vaguely remember reading about Matt Waters, but I never saw it. Can Montel Williams act? Did it end because he was tied up doing his talk show or is another case of the network cutting off a show too quickly?

Originally posted by jamesanthony
I vaguely remember reading about Matt Waters, but I never saw it. Can Montel Williams act? Did it end because he was tied up doing his talk show or is another case of the network cutting off a show too quickly?

No, I don't think it had anything to do with his talk show. CBS only gave it a six episode commitment and simply didn't extend it, I guess because it didn't get the numbers they were hoping for. "Under One Roof" was another CBS drama (produced by White Shadow's Thomas Carter) that wasn't extended past the six episodes it got from the network. So looking at the four shows mentioned, Dangerous Minds, 413 Hope Street, Matt Waters and Under One Roof, there's the obvious trend of black-oriented dramas not given a decent chance to show what they could do. I guess CBS could say that Matt Waters and Under One Roof were midseason replacement shows and were up against less fierce competition, but still it would have been nice for those shows to be given more than six episodes to build an audience.

Wasn't the White Shadow a midseason replacement show too? I always thought the White Shadow was similar to Room 222. Only The White Shadow wasn't going for laughs. It was the realism that I really liked about the show.

Oh by the way, I went to Amazon and wanted to see if they had any White Shadow videos. They are selling them for $65 for one episode tape. :crazy:

this show was one of the most underrated dramas of the 70s i wanted to ask all of you how long you thik the show would run today if it was just starting i dont thik it would last too long because in todays tv marketplace the networks might not give it a chance the only network i could see taking a chance on it would be the wb wich of courase didnt exsist in in the 70s

Originally posted by snl75
this show was one of the most underrated dramas of the 70s i wanted to ask all of you how long you thik the show would run today if it was just starting i dont thik it would last too long because in todays tv marketplace the networks might not give it a chance the only network i could see taking a chance on it would be the wb wich of courase didnt exsist in in the 70s

That's interesting - the WB is the only network where a show like this might have a fighting chance. CBS ordered that the show be toned down for the third year and it is very noticeable- some of the year 3 stories are not that strong. I wonder what a 4th season would have been like. It seems that if there was a year 4 none of the original players would be in the picture. That is very unusual for a school room show. I liked Room 222 but some of the students were in it for all 5 seasons and in Lloyd Haynes class for all 5 years, like they were in some type of time warp.

If ABC or CBS put this on now (I don't think FOx or NBC would even bother) they would make it more sensational- more sex and violence and I somehow don't think the acting would be as subtle. They'd probably have real teen actors but even though the old show had guys in their 20s in those roles i think they acted better than a contemporary 17 year old actor would now. Just my 2 cents.

you might be right. that was a very interesting theory

In a world where shows like Desperate Housewives and reality televison rules, this show would never have a chance in today's television industry. I don't even think the networks would even produce it.

I loved this show also in my youth.

Does anyone out there have any episodes on tape ?

Love to get copies


>Joker

In a world where shows like Desperate Housewives and reality televison rules, this show would never have a chance in today's television industry. I don't even think the networks would even produce it.

Maybe not ,but I saw a couple of episodes on syndication and I like it. My father said this was his show back in the day. A ot of shows from way back when would probably not work on air today as original series ,but that's because those shows were good for their time period. 20-30 years from now Desperate House Wives and many others will probably be shows that networks would not produce.

Kevin Hooks & Thomas Carter are movie directors now. Thomas Carter directed Coach Carter movie with Samuel Jackson that came out yesterday. I'm gonna check it out. I remember watching The White Shadow when i was a kid but i don't remember any episodes. Stoney Jackson played on there?

Kevin Hooks & Thomas Carter are movie directors now. Thomas Carter directed Coach Carter movie with Samuel Jackson that came out yesterday. I'm gonna check it out. I remember watching The White Shadow when i was a kid but i don't remember any episodes. Stoney Jackson played on there?

Jackson played Jesse B Mitchell, but I don't believe they ever did an episode about him, so he basically had no real defining personality in the show. All I recall was that girls in my school found him sexy, so maybe that was his purpose in the series

This was a replacement show whose time slot was moved three times its first season. It began on Monday, moved to Saturday, and then back to Monday. I also remember it being pre-empted many times its first year so it is somewhat of a miracle it lasted as long as it did. It also was always on at 8 pm and I think it may have found a broader audience if it had been on at 10 pm since many of its storylines were adult oriented.
There was continuity in this show from episode to episode. I only remember one instance of a lack of continuity. Jackson was an alcoholic, yet he was the one the team sent out to buy liquor after they won the semi final game of the city championships. Later in that same episode where Jackson is killed in the hold up you meet Jackson's brother. Yet in the episode where the Coach suspects that Jackson is an alcoholic and meets with Jackson's father (a Minister), the player's father states that his son is an only child.
The episode where Jackson died sparked more discussion among my friends than any other when it aired.

Whatever happened to Stoney Jackson?

Wasn't Thomas dating Sharon Lawrence for a time?

Season one of The White Shadow will be released November 8, 2005. Make sure you buy 6 or 7 copies (give them as holiday presents or something) so we won't have to wait too long for season two.

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=3827

Loved it. :cool:

Stoney Jackson was my teen idol. :)

Wasn't Thomas dating Sharon Lawrence for a time?


Yes he was! I meet him by mistake once, I was working at the DNC in L.A. and we were riding in the same van, and someone tapped me on the shoulder and I turned around and it was Thomas Carter, he asked me to close the window, and I didn't recognize him until I had closed the window and turned back around, and I was like OMG! (Not to his face but in silence ;) ) :eek: :lol: :wave:

I had a crush on all those guys on the show, and living in L.A. had a chance to run into them every now and then. Now if I could only meet Reginald T. Dorsey, my life will then be complete! ;)

Season one of The White Shadow will be released November 8, 2005. Make sure you buy 6 or 7 copies (give them as holiday presents or something) so we won't have to wait too long for season two.

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=3827

Vash thanks for keeping us updated on this. I am definitely buying two, one as a gift and the other for myself. :wave: :wave:

WHITE SHADOW IS GOING TO BE RELEASED NOVEMBER 8, 2005!!!!!!!

Yes,

The White Shadow was a great series! Anyone could get something from it! Wasn't it Curtis Jackson who was shot/killed during a liquer store robbery? I can't remember: But I have some great episodes to share:

1.) How about the one where the new strict English teacher comes to Carver High and word gets out that she is suffering from a nervous breakdown? She befriends Coach Revves after awhile but an enraged student threatens to kill her? (Can't remember if it was a student on the team, but someone comes running into Reeves office and screams, " _______'s got a gun! He's gonna kill (Ms.) Stanley!" Wow!!! talk about an episode ahead of its time!

2.) The one where Randy Judd (the kid who dies) because Reeves makes him run laps. Reeves is unaware that the kid had a serious medical condition. (frail arteries) He dies because an artery bursts in his brain and Reeves is deeply shaken. This episode is chilling! If I remember correctly, there is no forgiveness by the boy's parents at the end. (The series doesn't take the easy way out here.)

3.) The one where the history teacher Mr. Makie also suffers teacher bun out and kids run wild in his classroom. This episode really shows the stress that teachers can face and what happens when they stop caring about their kids.

4.) The one with the autistic kid is a great episode as well!

5.) The one where one of the players, (Ricky Gomez?) is being beaten by his father.

At times there was a little too much singing in the shower and I didn't care for the episodes too much where they go on location or vacation. The greatness of the series was when they were at Carver dealing with school issues and players' problems. Ken Howard reminded me of a no-nonsense phy-ed teacher that I had in middle school and high school. When Reeves got mad the emotion he showed was spellbounding! At times this series was like watching a documentary about life inside and around an inner-city school. Yes, it is THAT good! (You should make a board for The White Shadow when the DVD comes out!)

Jack

You know, when they showed the reruns on Classic Sports Channel, they cut out the singing shower scenes!!!! I was soooo pissed. That is something I looked forward to on the show. I can't wait for the DVD, but I wonder what will be cut out of the show.

I can't wait for the DVD, but I wonder what will be cut out of the show.


Hopefully: nothing. I don't anticipate it being anything but uncut.

yeah, I hope so, just wondering since Cosby Show, Happy Days, Roseanne are edited on DVD. Since the guys on White Shadow sing songs, I bet it might be edited due to the writers of those songs either will want alot of $$$$$ for their music or the company doesn't want to bother paying for the music rights.

Yes,

The White Shadow was a great series! Anyone could get something from it! Wasn't it Curtis Jackson who was shot/killed during a liquer store robbery? I can't remember: But I have some great episodes to share:

1.) How about the one where the new strict English teacher comes to Carver High and word gets out that she is suffering from a nervous breakdown? She befriends Coach Revves after awhile but an enraged student threatens to kill her? (Can't remember if it was a student on the team, but someone comes running into Reeves office and screams, " _______'s got a gun! He's gonna kill (Ms.) Stanley!" Wow!!! talk about an episode ahead of its time!

2.) The one where Randy Judd (the kid who dies) because Reeves makes him run laps. Reeves is unaware that the kid had a serious medical condition. (frail arteries) He dies because an artery bursts in his brain and Reeves is deeply shaken. This episode is chilling! If I remember correctly, there is no forgiveness by the boy's parents at the end. (The series doesn't take the easy way out here.)

3.) The one where the history teacher Mr. Makie also suffers teacher bun out and kids run wild in his classroom. This episode really shows the stress that teachers can face and what happens when they stop caring about their kids.

4.) The one with the autistic kid is a great episode as well!

5.) The one where one of the players, (Ricky Gomez?) is being beaten by his father.

At times there was a little too much singing in the shower and I didn't care for the episodes too much where they go on location or vacation. The greatness of the series was when they were at Carver dealing with school issues and players' problems. Ken Howard reminded me of a no-nonsense phy-ed teacher that I had in middle school and high school. When Reeves got mad the emotion he showed was spellbounding! At times this series was like watching a documentary about life inside and around an inner-city school. Yes, it is THAT good! (You should make a board for The White Shadow when the DVD comes out!)

Jack

Was Gomez being beaten by fists or belt?

Was Gomez being beaten by fists or belt?

Can't recall, I think both. Do you remember if his Dad joins a recovery program? How did Coach Reeves deal with this problem? I haven't seen the series in such a LONG time, so my memories are hazy.

Jack

Yes,

1.) How about the one where the new strict English teacher comes to Carver High and word gets out that she is suffering from a nervous breakdown? She befriends Coach Revves after awhile but an enraged student threatens to kill her? (Can't remember if it was a student on the team, but someone comes running into Reeves office and screams, " _______'s got a gun! He's gonna kill (Ms.) Stanley!" Wow!!! talk about an episode ahead of its time!

2.) The one where Randy Judd (the kid who dies) because Reeves makes him run laps. Reeves is unaware that the kid had a serious medical condition. (frail arteries) He dies because an artery bursts in his brain and Reeves is deeply shaken. This episode is chilling! If I remember correctly, there is no forgiveness by the boy's parents at the end. (The series doesn't take the easy way out here.)

3.) The one where the history teacher Mr. Makie also suffers teacher bun out and kids run wild in his classroom. This episode really shows the stress that teachers can face and what happens when they stop caring about their kids.

.

At times there was a little too much singing in the shower and I didn't care for the episodes too much where they go on location or vacation. The greatness of the series was when they were at Carver dealing with school issues and players' problems. Ken Howard reminded me of a no-nonsense phy-ed teacher that I had in middle school and high school. When Reeves got mad the emotion he showed was spellbounding! At times this series was like watching a documentary about life inside and around an inner-city school. Yes, it is THAT good! (You should make a board for The White Shadow when the DVD comes out!)

Jack

Those are good examples of why this show was outstanding. The one with Mr. Mackie and the one with the English teacher played by Christina Pickles were 2 of the last 3 episodes which shows that the show was still good at the end of its run. The last season episodes were not consistently strong though, but it seems like they went back to being more hard hitting towards the end (maybe they knew they were going to get cancelled?). The show with Haywood Nelson was interesting because I have never seen him do any other dramatic part.

The shower singing is a bit hard to believe, but I remember the episode where they made a record. Some fans consider it to be the worst episode ever, but it isn't that bad. To me the weakest show is the one where they were selling the Christmas trees. Also the one where they faked the coach's death wasn't very good. Both were from the last season. Also, although James Whitmore was well cast as his father I didn't care for the episodes with him at the start of that season as they were too removed from the main milieu of the show. The last episode is rather dry to me too, although it was not a bad idea to show what had become of the graduates. I guess they could've gone another season, but it's all just as well.

A couple of the players that were added in the last year, Jesse Mitchell and Art Hollday, never had any episodes about them and seemed to have no real personalities.

Can't recall, I think both. Do you remember if his Dad joins a recovery program? How did Coach Reeves deal with this problem? I haven't seen the series in such a LONG time, so my memories are hazy.

Jack

It's been a very long time for me too.I really haven't seen much of the show since it went off.I know it's far fetched, but maybe they should do a reunion movie or something, but it seems that most of the guys have managed well since they left the show.