Which show did you like better? I dream of Jeannie or Bewitched? post what ya think!


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Hated them both. No opinion.

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I know this was started like a year ago, but I just had to defend IDOJ. Far funnier than Bewitched.

I liked Bewitched better. Even with Dick Sargent it was better then I Dream Of Jeannie.

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I actually think they were both good in their own ways. IDOJ had alot more slap-sticky humor...but I must defend my first post (from almost a year ago!!) Bewitched was a bit more interesting...although it did get to be a little repetative.

The Jeannie. She was hotter.

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their both cool

Bewitched with Dick York! It was the best! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I agree, Dick york was better than Dick Sargeant...he had better facial expressions, he actually looked mad, whereas Sargeant just got a lil upset when Samantha did somethin.

The T

Okay, I'm the oddball. I liked Dick Sargeant better. Not as over-the-top as York.

lol, that's ok! everyone has different opinions of actors, it's just good that u don't hold back and get scared the people are gonna critisize you...cause they are!! no, I'm just kidding...actually, I can see where you're coming at, he was a little less over-the-top, but I think that's what made York good at the part...although, I did notice, that sargeant has been in alot more movies than york, and I do like his acting in other movies.

the T

i liked i dream of jeannie better, i know that she played herself in a couple of episodes as different people but not as much as bewitched. on bewitched it seemed like every one of her relatives was exactly like her and that bugged me

lol...very good point!

The T

I like I Dream of Jeannie better.

Both were good, but I'd have to say Bewitched (with Dick York).

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Bewitched

Bewitched all the way! I used to like IDOJ more because I never saw BW, but now that I'm a little older, I can appreciate the great writing, acting, storylines (at least in the earlier seasons:happyface ), and little subtleties that make it a show which I tape. And keep. :cool:

It's a close vote, but Bewitched.

I haven't watched Bewitched (except ocassionaly watching it on Hallmark) regularly since it was on Nick at Nite, same with IDOJ, but I've always like Bewitched a little bit better. In a sense, a little more mature, so to speak.

i like them both the same.

Bewitched all the way--especially with Dick York. Watch some of the episodes from the first few seasons that centered on the love story between Sam and Darrin--the chemistry between York and Montgomery was electric, she didn't have that with Sargent.

Bewitched

Bewitched!

I love em both but I like Bewitched a little better.

Havent seen that many eps yet but il say Bewitched

Oh my god, you people.

Bewitched is much better.

I don't really like either of the shows but if I had to pick it would be Bewicthed.

Well yall know what I'm gonna say, don't even get me started on this subject or I'll get WAY to carried away, yall know what I'm talking about.

But anyway I Dream of Jeannie is so much better, it's funnier, it's got a better overall plot(as in getting Tony and Jeannie together), it's got some of the greatest actors ever(not that Liz, Dick York, or Agnes are not also great), it's got better scenes, Tony gets in more trouble than Darrin ever did, (this may be a low blow but)at least IDOJ never made the mistake of dragging the show out after one of the main characters left(as in Dick York should have been the only Darrin) , but those are just my opinions and if you like Bewitched better than that's your right and opinion, I hope I didn't offend anyone. But IDOJ was better.;) :p

Well, the dragging out was pretty much ABC to blame. They weren't about to give up the network's very first HUGE hit. (And top one at the time, too, clocking it at #2 in the ratings until ABC's Happy Days came along at #1.)

Like I said, I used to like IDOJ until I saw BW, which I LOVED. True, Sidney Sheldon asked former coworker William Asher if he would mind if he did a show about a genie, and Asher replied that he didn't mind. Fine. But right down to characters, plots, dialogue, animated opening, whatever, it's NBC trying to cash in on formerly-unsuccessful ABC's sleeper hit of the previous season. Heck, NBC went to Screen Gems, owner of Bewitched, to produce a similar show-- and even went so far as to ask Sol Saks, BW creator, to do it! He said no. So Sidney Sheldon did it.

Unfortunately, there was nothing anybody could do about it. Both shows were owned by Screen Gems. And Jackie Cooper, the studio head, makes Liz out to be a power-hungry spoiled b**** in his autobiography (and later Cox's Dreaming of Jeannie book). Which certainly she WAS NOT. I bet that if a man did the same things she did as BW's Creative Consultant, he'd be considered smart, ambitious, and promising. But if a woman does that, she's a brat, apparently. Look in Cooper's book of the accounts. He mentions "she looked at me with those big blue eyes...." but her eyes were REALLY, REALLY GREEN if he had actually been looking at her face instead of down her shirt (and judging by the context of the book where Cooper brags about sleeping with all kinds of women, that's more than likely what he was doing). Sorry. I needed to vent. :mad:

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RE: Were there genies
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Posted by Webmaster on November 30, 1998 at 15:35:27
In Reply to: Were there genis posted by Orko on November 17, 1998 at 05:02:43:

I think they must have stayed away from that - it was pretty well known that Elizabeth was not happy with Sidney Sheldon's attempts to duplicate ideas that had been hers and Bill's for use in Sheldon's "I Dream Of Jeannie" show. Ok, I gotta say it - I know EXACTLY how she felt when she heard of his ideas to copy the ideas from Bewitched. The following excerpt appeared in the April 1996 "Remember" magazine written by Herbie Pilato:

"Like Samantha on Bewitched, Jeannie had blonde hair and a sassy brunette twin sister. And while Samantha would twitch her nose, Jeannie would blink her eyes - a magic manifestation that did not sit well with Elizabeth."

Elizabeth remembers "When I heard that Sidney was developing the show, I didn't give it much thought. He was a friend of Bill's (Asher) and he invited us to lunch."

The more Sheldon talked about what he was going to do with Jeannie, the more Elizabeth sat back in her chair in awe, thinking to herself, "ARE YOU HEARING THIS RIGHT? ARE YOU REALLY LISTENING TO THIS CONVERSATION"?

She said she was "in a funk" when she heard Sidney say, "I must think of some way for her to motivate the magic, just like Samantha does."

"I just couldn't believe it", Liz recalled. "I had to prop my hand under my chin to keep my mouth from falling open. I was annoyed. That doesn't mean I was annoyed with Barbara (Eden) or Larry (Hagman). I was annoyed with Sidney. I was struck dumb. And I usually have something to say, but as I recall, it was a silent drive home".

Right on, Liz!! I can really identify with Elizabeth's feelings here. It is a horrible feeling to have others take original ideas from you with no remorse. This is the reason I can't even watch I Dream Of Jeannie - it sickens and angers me when I see all the material they used from Bewitched. I have so much respect for the wonderfully original and creative ideas the Bewitched cast/crew/staff came up with first, it is just hard to stomach the fact that so much of it was used to propel another show right in front of their eyes. ~Wendy


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I think Liz took it so hard because of all the hard work she put into it- She and her husband/director/producer/writer Bill Asher were "the king and queen of the show." Asher was the "official" one in charge, but Liz contributed a lot too, most of "witch" is undocumented.

She even invented the character of Serena, a mischevious dark-haired lookalike relative. And of course, a mischevious dark-haired lookalike relative later ended up on Jeannie.

I'm so glad that you posted that excerpt about how Liz felt, that completely made me realize that Liz didn't hate Barbara and Larry. I'd always thought that they all didn't get along at all. But ya know that made me think Liz was even better of a person than I made her out to be. Although I already thought that she was great. Now for the first time I realize what happened. NBC is to blame no one else, and I do feel sorry for Bill and Liz them coming up with the idea and then NBC stealing it.

But I still believe that IDOJ was not a complete ripoff of Bewitched, there are differences and if NBC or the writers had of just kept away from doing very similiar episodes to Bewitched the show would not have been considered such a copy. But even after realizing all of the things I have I still like IDOJ better, and I forgive NBC, because if they hadn't of copied ABC some what there would not be an IDOJ today. IDOJ ROCKS ANYWAY!!!!:D

Phew, I'm glad you didn't attack me after I posted that.;) I don't hate the actors at all either, but I just can't stand greedy networks. That's television for ya. :rolleyes: And opinions are always good. I think BW rules! :D And people are entitled to their own opinions. :)

:D :happyface :D

When I was a little girl I loved both of the shows. I remember watching them.

I remember back in the 80s the reruns of I dream of Jeannie were popular because at the time Larry Hagman was J.R. Ewing. J.R. was very different from Major Nelson.

I'm older now and I have to point out that both shows are very diffierent. But if I had to pick out of the two it would have to be I dream of Jeannie. Larry Hagman was so handsome, And Jeannie and Tony had a lot more action going on then the married Sam and Darrin, and I mean that, look under my name. But I still like Bewitched, but only with the original Darrin (Dick York).

I guess it was because the sexual tension between Major Nelson and Jeannie that won me over. I have to say Larry Hagman and Barbara Eden were great in their roles. I thought Bill Daily was a great laugh to and not to forget DR BELLOWS and his wife.

I think it was the last three seasons of Bewitched dragged it in the mud, which gives I dream of Jeannie the upper hand.

I dream of Jeannie wins my vote!

Sorry I forgot to add this -- is that love or what..............

Originally posted by Ms Garthe Knight

I'm older now and I have to point out that both shows are very diffierent. But if I had to pick out of the two it would have to be I dream of Jeannie. Larry Hagman was so handsome, And Jeannie and Tony had a lot more action going on then the married Sam and Darrin, and I mean that, look under my name. But I still like Bewitched, but only with the original Darrin (Dick York).

I guess it was because the sexual tension between Major Nelson and Jeannie that won me over. I have to say Larry Hagman and Barbara Eden were great in their roles. I thought Bill Daily was a great laugh to and not to forget DR BELLOWS and his wife.

I think it was the last three seasons of Bewitched dragged it in the mud, which gives I dream of Jeannie the upper hand.

I dream of Jeannie wins my vote!


Hmm.... I didn't really think so. Liz Montgomery and Dick York (he was pretty darn cute in the earlier years;)), in their roles, you could just sense real chemistry. I'd post screen captures from BW illustrating that sexual tension between Sam and Darrin, but I don't have the technology to do that.

This was one of the many things that made this show seem more realistic than, say, The Brady Bunch, character-wise. Sure, the magic on Bewitched was done by special effects (no computers involved), but the magic OF Bewitched was how the characters related to each other- like real people.

Unfortunately, this didn't exist nearly as much in the Dick Sargent years, but he tried his best in some tough shoes to fill. Of York and Montgomery, to quote BW director/former husband of EM, Bill Asher, "they were in love and they acted like it."

But since I can't do TV screen captures, I'll just name the episodes(not really in order):

Not yet married: (Not many of these episodes exist, but the ones that do all make this Best Chemistry list:)

- "I, Darrin, Take This Witch, Samantha" (pilot; beginning)
- "What Every Young Man Should Know"
- "If They Never Met"

Married: (AND they sleep in the same bed?! How scandalous! ;))

-"I, Darrin, Take This Witch, Samantha" (pilot; rest of it)
-"Be It Ever So Mortgaged"
-"It Shouldn't Happen to a Dog"
-"Help, Help, Don't Save Me"
-"Little Pitchers Have Big Fears"
-"The Girl Reporter"
-"Witch or Wife?"
-"A is for Aardvark"
-"Pleasure O'Riley"
-"Illegal Separation"
-"And Something Makes Three"
-"The Magic Cabin"
-"It Takes One to Know One"
-"Cousin Edgar"
-"Love is Blind"
-"Sam in the Moon"
-"Charlie Harper, Winner"
-"How to Fail in Business With All Kinds of Help"
-"The Girl With the Golden Nose"
-"Eye of the Beholder"
-"Endora Moves In For a Spell"
-"A Most Unusual Wood Nymph"
-"I'd Rather Twitch Than Fight"
-"Soap Box Derby"
-"Three Wishes"
-"Double, Double, Toil and Trouble"
-"No Zip in My Zap"
-"I Get Your Nanny, You Get My Goat"
-"Once in a Vial"
-"McTavish"
-"To Twitch or Not to Twitch"
-"It's So Nice to Have a Spouse Around the House"
-"Serena Strikes Again" (part one)
-"One Touch of Midas"

Add that to the rest of the Dick York episodes. :cool: And I haven't seen all of the episodes yet. Oh, to have a screen-capturer-thingy!!! :happyface

I asked some folks at http://www.harpiesbizarre.com/ for some picture help on this, so thanks pandora_spocks! :D
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And that's only the first episode! Some more from Harpies:
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Arfies, I know what you mean by the chemistry of Montgomery & York, I have seen the pliot episode so many times I have lost count. I loved it and I thought they were both great. I really think Dick York hasn't been given enough credit for what a great actor his is and I mean that.

But what I found with Barbara Eden and Larry Hagman was they had this chemistry that kind of went beyond I dream of Jeannie. Barbara Eden did say that her and Larry Hagman were very close at the time so maybe it was that. But if you seen Barbara Eden and Larry Hagman on DALLAS they still had that chemistry, which was 20 years after I dream of Jeannie. They also did a movie together as husband and wife and it was still there. In the movie they play the role of a couple with marriage problems and in DALLAS they were old fames out to settle a score, their roles in all three were very different, but the chrmistry between the two was still there. They were also in The Toy Game together but I have never seen that.

They were great together that they still wanted to act together after their show finished. Who knows maybe more went on with the two behind the secnes, but I think their chemistry is different from another actors I have seen.

See when Major Nelson and Jeannie have a conversation Larry Hagman most of the time is holding Barbara Eden's hand or is holding her some where, or Barbara Eden has her body pressed againest his. I didn't know why but it show the a caring and loving side. Maybe it was something the actors had for each other.

I also love the way Jeannie kisses Major Nelson she never stops and Major Nelson enjoys it. Well Jeannie was crazy over Major Nelson. When he comes up with a smart idea Jeannie would reward him by give him a kiss. And I like it when Jeannie asks Major Nelson if he is going to kiss her goodbye and when he does she doesn't let go. Another one I when Barbara Eden throws her arms around Hagman and will ask something like did you miss me or I am back and Hagman replies by wraping his arms around her and says something like I worry about you when your not around with a cute smlie on his face. I could got on forever but it was the little things you have to like about I dream of Jeannie.

You have to say Barbara Eden's Jeannie outfit was a turn on for any male, Larry Hagman and Bill Daily admint she had big breast, and in those see through pants, not that I'm looking at her I mean Larry Hagman was enough to win any girl over in his NASA
uniform.

I guess you can't really explain their chemistry its something you have to see. Or maybe I dream of Jeannie a member of the board has a better way of explain it.

If you watch episdoes from season 3 and after you can see it clear as day.

Another thing that gives I dream of Jeannie the upper hand is Larry Hagman, he is one of Television Greatest Actors after DALLAS. He was real evil in DALLAS in I dream of Jeannie he was the husband every women dreamed of.

But like a said both shows are very different.

Sorry I didn't see your pictures. They are nice

The pic I add of Larry Hagman and Barbara Eden I got from a site that was about actors who went beyond their roles. Meaning actors who had a thing for each other. Hagman and Eden was 100% sure. Funny site now that i think about it.

So the pic I add is just the tip of the ice. I can't get screen caps myself too :(

I see what you mean of post-IDOJ chemistry, since Barbara and Larry worked together after that, while EM and Dick York weren't paired up in any TV show or movie after BW (well, you can't really blame them, because Dick York only acted in one more show after BW because of his health problems. So they never really had the opportunity for any post-BW work together. I bet that if DY was feeling better, they would have). Although Liz and Dick Sargent did team up for Sargent's coming-out, since he invited her to cohost the LA Gay Pride Parade.

I think that with the chemistry issue, with BW as well, it's just one of those you-have-to-see-it things, as you pointed out with IDOJ. And it's really easy to see, too!:love:
Hee hee hee...;)

One of the main reasons I like Bewitched better is because for once, there's not the "dumb blonde" stereotype. To quote Samantha, "Just because blondes have more fun doesn't make them brainless, you know!" True, Jeannie was more naive, being stuck in a bottle for 2,000 years, but Sam was too, so to speak. She just lived in the witches' realm for hundreds of years, (I guess witches are younger than genies), occasionally visiting the mortal world.

But at least Sam did her homework when it came to studying how to blend in with "normal" people, and with the opportunities Jeannie had after a few years, you'd think she would have learned the ropes more quickly.

I also liked that the main character, a woman, was SMART; had a sense of humor; could talk her way out of any situation; was a great friend to those she knew; plus a great wife and mom-- yet still had an impefect, or "human" side.:D

Also, like I said before, York was pretty darn cute in his earlier years, before the poor guy got sick.:(

Ever seen his high school educational films, when he was a teenager? ;) (In case you haven't noticed, I'm a 15-year-old girl who LOVES classic stuff and hates bad mainstream junk of today.):wave:

It doesn't mean you 15 that your wrong. When you get older your most likely to have the same opinion. I should have pointed out I was born in the 80s. I'm only a little older than you :P

Originally posted by Arfies
One of the main reasons I like Bewitched better is because for once, there's not the "dumb blonde" stereotype. To quote Samantha, "Just because blondes have more fun doesn't make them brainless, you know!" True, Jeannie was more naive, being stuck in a bottle for 2,000 years, but Sam was too, so to speak. She just lived in the witches' realm for hundreds of years, (I guess witches are younger than genies), occasionally visiting the mortal world

Jeannie wasn't a dumb blonde she was in love. Eveything she did was for the love of her Master. When your in love you do crazy things for the man you love and don't forget Jeannie took everything literally, like once she was cooking lunch for Major Nelson and Major Healey and Major Healey said "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse" so she put down her fork and went to blink up a horse but before she could Major Nelson stoped her. She also made a wonderful wife for Major Nelson.

In theory Anthony Nelson and Jeannie claimed that Major Nelson was the master but it never worked that way, it was Jeannie who wore the pants in their relationship and she had fun. Jeannie's goal was to marry Major Nelson throughout the whole show and I liked it, it was lady in control.

Jeannie could never be normal, I mean how can a 2,000 year old lady be normal. She was who she was and Major Nelson never stop her from using her magic as long as it didn't get him in trouble which it did most of the time. But at the end of the day Major Nelson let her been who she was she didn't have change and be a normal person she just had to be her and that who he loved, his Genie.

Jeannie did normal things and got a long well with normal people. She would go shopping, clean the house, cook for Major Nelson they spent time together going out to dinner, dancing, going to plays, I remember once Jeannie and Major Nelson went to this play and they watched it 10 times only because Jeannie loved it, Major Nelson would buy her presents too. One thing I really liked about Major Nelson was everytime they went out he alway commented on how beautiful she looked and would get he to spin around for him so he could see just how nice she looked. I remember another one when Major Nelson shirts was about set on fire and Jeannie had just burnt her finger, Major Nelson left his shirt to attend her burnt finger, I thought that was so sweet. God, I hope I find a husband like that! :lol:

I remember reading that when I dream of Jeannie was made NBC had issues with Major Nelson and Jeannie living together and not been married, but that did stop them.

With the chemistry issues I have watched Bewitched, but I think Larry Hagman and Barbara Eden's chemistry really stands out with the holding of hands or someone hand was on the other body and in the the other roles they played they still did those things.

Originally posted by Arfies
Although Liz and Dick Sargent did team up for Sargent's coming-out, since he invited her to cohost the LA Gay Pride Parade.

For the movie Larry Hagman and Barbara Eden did I don't know how they were casted, I think it was Barbara Eden who asked for Hagman. It was funny because Eden had just left her husband and was off with Hagman doing a movie on the other side of the country.

For The Toy Game Barbara Eden asked Larry Hagman to join her.

For DALLAS Larry Hagman was big then. Larry Hagman's mother was watching TV one night and happened to come across an interview with Barbara Eden on TV. Barbara Eden said in the interview that while she was married to her second husband she cried a lot because she was far from her son and she couldn't find fame again like I dream of Jeannie. Larry Hagman's mother told her son and he went and got a role made for her to join him on DALLAS. She played a villian and was one of Hagman's lovers and she was great as the bad one. Larry Hagman was the villian of DALLAS, Eden was out to get him and beat him at his own game. Hagman's role was nothing like Major Nelson so he got them to make Barbara Eden's role to be nothing like Jeannie.

You can see they really care about each other. But if you also look at the two in interviews it still there, that chemistry the have had for all these years. :wave:

Yes, it's always nice when actors have chemistry like that. :)

Originally posted by Ms Garthe Knight
Sorry I forgot to add this -- is that love or what..............

Ms Garthe Knight has attached this image:
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Originally posted by Arfies
I asked some folks at http://www.harpiesbizarre.com/ for some picture help on this, so thanks pandora_spocks! :D
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And that's only the first episode! Some more form Harpies:
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Phew! It's getting hot in here! ;)
:heart: Love is in the air...Everywhere I look around... :heart:

IDOJ WAS GOOD TO.

My vote is with Sam & Darrin. :love: I mean come on their so adorable! But hey, that's just my opinion. ;)

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more pics!!! woohoo!

I am a IDOJ fan myself, but the comic hilarity of Endora makes Bewitched also very entertaining to me.

Originally posted by callmetootie
I liked Bewitched better. Even with Dick Sargent it was better then I Dream Of Jeannie.

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Andrew Carden I agree!:)

I thought Major Nelson and Jeannie were very hot for each other before they got married. I mean they were living together before they got married. That was wrong back then, but they didn't care.

They were on fire when they got married

So were Sam & Darrin. Just look at all the pictures posted before while they were still dating (In Darrin's apartment, too!:eek: )
And Sam wasn't locked up in a bottle. :crazy:http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/7f08d5e1/bc/Bewitched/tv.jpg?bcucY6.ADYrc0qde

Originally posted by Arfies
So were Sam & Darrin. Just look at all the pictures posted before while they were still dating (In Darrin's apartment, too!:eek: )
And Sam wasn't locked up in a bottle. :crazy:http://bewitched.beautiful-addiction.net/pics/05.jpg


And lets not forget in episode 2, Darrin tells Sam (not knowing that Endora is watching them) that she was and i quote 'friendlier on their first date.'

[enter Endora's reaction here]

http://bewitched.beautiful-addiction.net/pics/13.jpg

so therefore, Sam & Darrin win as being the hottest couple. ;)

Originally posted by Arfies
So were Sam & Darrin. Just look at all the pictures posted before while they were still dating (In Darrin's apartment, too!:eek: )
And Sam wasn't locked up in a bottle. :crazy:

Jeannie was living with Major Nelson in his house before marriage for four years :eek2:

I'm not knocking Sam and Darrin but should corret you.

Jeannie was only locked up in her bottle a couple of times only when Major Nelson wanted to go somewhere and she wouldn't let him. Other than that she was in there only to sleep, do her hair and hide from Major Nelson when she was mad at him.

Major Nelson and Jeannie also like to spend time in there together in that way no one would find them and this was before they got married :eek:

After they got married her bottle was only used for their moments alone far from the world around them, like their wedding night. :love:

Well, the dragging out was pretty much ABC to blame. They weren't about to give up the network's very first HUGE hit. (And top one at the time, too, clocking it at #2 in the ratings until ABC's Happy Days came along at #1.)

Like I said, I used to like IDOJ until I saw BW, which I LOVED. True, Sidney Sheldon asked former coworker William Asher if he would mind if he did a show about a genie, and Asher replied that he didn't mind. Fine. But right down to characters, plots, dialogue, animated opening, whatever, it's NBC trying to cash in on formerly-unsuccessful ABC's sleeper hit of the previous season. Heck, NBC went to Screen Gems, owner of Bewitched, to produce a similar show-- and even went so far as to ask Sol Saks, BW creator, to do it! He said no. So Sidney Sheldon did it.

Unfortunately, there was nothing anybody could do about it. Both shows were owned by Screen Gems. And Jackie Cooper, the studio head, makes Liz out to be a power-hungry spoiled b**** in his autobiography (and later Cox's Dreaming of Jeannie book). Which certainly she WAS NOT. I bet that if a man did the same things she did as BW's Creative Consultant, he'd be considered smart, ambitious, and promising. But if a woman does that, she's a brat, apparently. Look in Cooper's book of the accounts. He mentions "she looked at me with those big blue eyes...." but her eyes were REALLY, REALLY GREEN if he had actually been looking at her face instead of down her shirt (and judging by the context of the book where Cooper brags about sleeping with all kinds of women, that's more than likely what he was doing). Sorry. I needed to vent. :mad:

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Here's a post from another message board that kinda illustrates where I'm coming from:

RE: Were there genies
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Posted by Webmaster on November 30, 1998 at 15:35:27
In Reply to: Were there genis posted by Orko on November 17, 1998 at 05:02:43:

I think they must have stayed away from that - it was pretty well known that Elizabeth was not happy with Sidney Sheldon's attempts to duplicate ideas that had been hers and Bill's for use in Sheldon's "I Dream Of Jeannie" show. Ok, I gotta say it - I know EXACTLY how she felt when she heard of his ideas to copy the ideas from Bewitched. The following excerpt appeared in the April 1996 "Remember" magazine written by Herbie Pilato:

"Like Samantha on Bewitched, Jeannie had blonde hair and a sassy brunette twin sister. And while Samantha would twitch her nose, Jeannie would blink her eyes - a magic manifestation that did not sit well with Elizabeth."

Elizabeth remembers "When I heard that Sidney was developing the show, I didn't give it much thought. He was a friend of Bill's (Asher) and he invited us to lunch."

The more Sheldon talked about what he was going to do with Jeannie, the more Elizabeth sat back in her chair in awe, thinking to herself, "ARE YOU HEARING THIS RIGHT? ARE YOU REALLY LISTENING TO THIS CONVERSATION"?

She said she was "in a funk" when she heard Sidney say, "I must think of some way for her to motivate the magic, just like Samantha does."

"I just couldn't believe it", Liz recalled. "I had to prop my hand under my chin to keep my mouth from falling open. I was annoyed. That doesn't mean I was annoyed with Barbara (Eden) or Larry (Hagman). I was annoyed with Sidney. I was struck dumb. And I usually have something to say, but as I recall, it was a silent drive home".

Right on, Liz!! I can really identify with Elizabeth's feelings here. It is a horrible feeling to have others take original ideas from you with no remorse. This is the reason I can't even watch I Dream Of Jeannie - it sickens and angers me when I see all the material they used from Bewitched. I have so much respect for the wonderfully original and creative ideas the Bewitched cast/crew/staff came up with first, it is just hard to stomach the fact that so much of it was used to propel another show right in front of their eyes. ~Wendy


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I think Liz took it so hard because of all the hard work she put into it- She and her husband/director/producer/writer Bill Asher were "the king and queen of the show." Asher was the "official" one in charge, but Liz contributed a lot too, most of "witch" is undocumented.

She even invented the character of Serena, a mischevious dark-haired lookalike relative. And of course, a mischevious dark-haired lookalike relative later ended up on Jeannie.


Hi Afries,

This has nothing to do with which show you like better. Personally I think both were the best in the first season. Also, PLEASE KNOW I am IN NO WAY attacking you or your post, but I wanted to set the record straight. It wasn't NBC that wanted another show, but Screen Gems - that also owned Bewitched. Please read below (from a previous post of mine) as I think you will find it interesting. I TRULY LOVE BOTH SHOWS for different reasons, but I really feel I Dream of Jeannie and Sidney Sheldon get an unfair wrap regarding Bewitched, mainly due to some statements the author of some Bewitched books and William Asher (no disrespect intended) made on a television interview many years ago. It should also be said that Sidney Sheldon said that Jeannie never copied scripts from Bewitched and to his knowledge Bewitched never copied scripts from Jeannie. The interview only showed the person being interviewed answering. You never saw the interviewer or heard the questions. Honestly, I don't know the EXACT questions Sidney Sheldon and William Asher were asked. I only know what Asher has said and what Sidney has said about getting the idea of a female genie after seeing Berle Ives as a genie in the movie The Brass Bottle in 1964. Regarding the meeting between Asher, Montgomery and Sidney Sheldon before I Dream of Jeannie premiered, I have never heard Sidney's side of that story. I'm not sure he was ever asked about it as he never directly commented on what Asher said (I wonder if he knew????). Again, NO DISRESPECT to William Asher, but unfortunately he and Sheldon are both gone now and I think it is important to keep an open mind and give someone who is accused of something the benefit of the doubt - particularly given all the information (in my post below). These are two of my favorite shows and I have done a LOT of research on this particular topic. I would say the same thing in regards to keeping an open mind if it was reversed and Bewitched was being accused of being a "rip-off." There normally are two very different sides to a story in a creative/business situation like this one. Just food for thought. :) :)
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As a fan of BOTH shows, I really get tired of hearing how Jeannie was a "rip-off" of Bewitched. That simply is NOT true. First off, the concept for Bewitched was NOT William Asher and Elizabeth Montgomery's. Originally Tammy Grimes is the actress that the studio had in mind for the role. Elizabeth M. and William A. took ANOTHER concept to Screen Gems. It was after Grimes had turned down the role that the Screen Gems executives looked at the idea Asher and Montgomery brought in and told them to look at Bewitched, which they liked better. As for Sidney Sheldon "stealing" any ideas, that is simply not true. Sheldon had seen a movie "The Brass Bottle" in 1964 (the year before the premiere of Jeannie) with Berle Ives as a male genie which Tony Randall finds in a lamp (Barbara Eden was also in that movie as Randall's fiance'). He had an idea THEN to do a show about a beautiful female genie. Bewitched was not an original premise either, as creator Sol Saks, explained. There was the movie "I Married A Witch" and "Bell, Book, and Candle," which both came prior to Bewitched. Sol Saks was afraid they could get sued for doing Bewitched until he was told that Columbia Pictures owned both movies. Screen Gems, that owned Bewitched and Jeannie, was the "TV side" of Columbia Pictures. Yes, Saks was asked to do another show about a witch - but NOT by NBC. He was asked by Screen Gems executives - who wanted ANOTHER hit show. He turned them down and they later asked Sidney Sheldon. Sheldon told them he did not want to do a show about a witch but he had another idea he had been thinking about doing. As for the meeting Sheldon had with Asher and Montgomery, William Asher coined the phrase that Sheldon wanted to do "a sort of rip-off." Actually, Sheldon wanted to get a dark haired middle-eastern type to fit the role but also to lessen any comparisons between both shows. He could not find the innate quality he was looking for in anyone except Barbara Eden. Also, someone posted that Sheldon copied everything including the animated opening from Bewitched. That is ridiculous as most ALL shows from that era had an animated opening (Batman, The Lucy Show, My Favorite Martian, Dennis the Menace, etc.). Speaking of My Favorite Martian, another supernatural sitcom, it premiered one year BEFORE Bewitched but I doubt anyone ever claims Bewitched came about in any way because of it. As for "stealing scripts," Sidney Sheldon and William Asher both worked on The Patty Duke Show which aired before either Bewitched or Jeannie. Sheldon, who wrote virtually every script for The Patty Duke Show, wanted TWIN SISTERS. William Asher suggested TWIN COUSINS which they ultimately went with on the show. Twin "Cousin Serena," who first showed up in season 2 of Bewitched (in 1965) when Tabitha was born and not again until season 4, was not an original concept (incidentally Serena's 2nd appearance aired one week after Jeannie's sister was introduced in season 3 of I Dream of Jeannie). I say that Serena was not an original concept meaning the evil twin plot line has been done for years - and, as noted with Parry Duke, was done before Bewitched. Also, remember Bette Davis in the 1964 movie, Dead Ringer??? I've never heard that the "Cousin Serena" was stolen from The Patty Duke Show or any other similar plot. Actually, as far as scripts go (and I'm not talking about the ones with Serena or Jeannie's sister) I once listed 15 different scripts where EACH SHOW had a script and the other did it either one or two years LATER - both Jeannie AND Bewitched. Do I think they deliberately copied each other? No. They both were produced by Screen Gems and used some of the same writers. Writers discuss ideas, etc. and ideas get recycled. How many times and on how many shows have we seen the amnesia bit? Plus, the execution of those similar or "same"ideas on Bewitched and Jeannie looked different most every time. Sheldon stated in an interview that Jeannie never took any scripts from Bewitched and to his knowledge Bewitched never took any from Jeannie. One more thing to remember - Bewitched aired Sept. 17, 1964. The pilot of I Dream of Jeannie was BEING SHOT in December of 1964. Think about it - Sidney Sheldon would have had to have written the script, hired everyone in the cast for the pilot, and had everything ready (sets, costumes, etc.). All of that takes TIME. Barbara Eden has said in interviews that she had been seeing reports in Variety for MONTHS about the testing of actresses for the role of Jeannie. That Jeannie was a "copy" of Bewitched is just not logical in relation to the time factor. It makes more sense that (as Sheldon has stated in interviews) he was inspired by the movie The Brass Bottle, released in 1964, and that is how the concept was born. I DO think that where Bewitched comes in to play is that it was such an immediate hit for Screen Gems, they wanted another supernatural hit for another network and Sheldon was eventually approached. Sheldon told them about the idea he had for a female genie, it was pitched to the networks, and NBC bought it. It also makes sense that he told Asher and Montgomery about it due to the obvious comparisons that would be drawn. It's funny to me that William Asher stated in interviews how Jeannie "stole ideas" from them (even though - again - I can name at least 15 times on both sides - where each had a plot at least one year before the other) yet if he felt that way so strongly, why did he agree to direct the I Dream of Jeannie: 15 Years Later reunion movie on NBC in 1985? No disrespect, but it just sounds very petty. I LOVE both shows and the stars in both, but this topic drives me crazy! To my knowledge no one associated with I Dream of Jeannie, including Sidney Sheldon, has ever said a bad word about Bewitched or anyone associated with it. Both are GREAT TV classics and should stand on their own merits. They are DIFFERENT shows. The premises are different and the characters certainly are different. I'm just thankful we are fortunate to have them BOTH! :) :) :)

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In response to the person who posted that "Bewitched was better than Jeannie during the York years," I think it's a toss up as to which show is better - Jeannie or Bewitched during the Dick York years. It really, simply depends on the episode of either show. I LOVE the Dick York years, but again - the shows are different. There are some Dick York episodes such as the ones where someone puts a spell on Darrin or on a client that aren't fantastic but not horrible by any means. A good Jeannie would certainly win over those. Then again, there are some Jeannie episodes where Bewitched would win. The first two years of Jeannie, the writing and the continuity are at its best as I believe Sidney Sheldon wrote most (if not all) of those. He was even nominated for an Emmy for best writing for the 2nd (1966-67) season of I Dream of Jeannie. Bewitched was at its best as far as writing in the first 3 seasons too. Of course it is certainly worth noting that both shows have very good and memorable episodes in the later years too (Jeannie 3-5 and the later years with Dick York [4-5]).

^Thank you for the full explanation on why IDOJ is not a ripoff. That's always bothered me too when people would assume that and it really undermines/belittles the creative genius at work on IDOJ. The real way it happened (that neither show for all intents and purposes ripped off the other) is great because one show isn't better than the other in that respect.

As for me personally I've always preferred IDOJ. :D

Sure. Thanks for your reply. :)

To the person who posted that "even the Dick Sargent episodes were better than Jeannie," you MUST be a staunch Bewitched fan. They were BOTH good shows, just different. No offense to anyone, but Jeannie was always much better than most all of those episodes with Dick Sargent (with a very few exceptions). NO disrespect to him, but Dick York was so good in that role and his chemistry with EM was perfect. Also, by the time Sargent got there the writing was suffering as they remade so many episodes York had done. That being said, Jeannie had some clunkers too, but they were both good shows, with the best writing in both during the first few seasons.

I'm a fan of both shows, but if I had to choose, I would go with "I Dream of Jeannie."

btw -- Thanks for the post, ansara1.

To me, there's no contest: Bewitched was the better show. But my reasons have nothing to do with the chemistry of the lead characters...BOTH shows had it (well, IDOJ always had it, Bewitched had it until Dick Sargent came along). But chemistry can't be a show's only attraction. What separated the two shows was the supporting cast. Bewitched had a fantastic group: Endora, Larry Tate, Mother Stephens, Gladys and Abner Kravitz, Aunt Clara, Uncle Arthur, Doctor Bombay, etc. What did IDOJ have? Major Healy (who, I confess, was wonderful) and Doctor Bellows, who was like chalk on a blackboard. That's it.

To me, there's no contest: Bewitched was the better show. But my reasons have nothing to do with the chemistry of the lead characters...BOTH shows had it (well, IDOJ always had it, Bewitched had it until Dick Sargent came along). But chemistry can't be a show's only attraction. What separated the two shows was the supporting cast. Bewitched had a fantastic group: Endora, Larry Tate, Mother Stephens, Gladys and Abner Kravitz, Aunt Clara, Uncle Arthur, Doctor Bombay, etc. What did IDOJ have? Major Healy (who, I confess, was wonderful) and Doctor Bellows, who was like chalk on a blackboard. That's it.

I loved Dr. Bellows! He was a very unique, interesting, and funny character. I also loved Major Healy, Amanda Bellows, General Shaeffer, General Petterson, and Jeannie's sister.

You do understand that some people might like the smaller cast on "I Dream of Jeannie" way better than the "fantastic group" cast of "Bewitched" combined. Some people might even like just the two leads way better than the whole cast on "Bewitched" combined.

Good point, Fallon97. I just think the expanded cast gave the show different places to go, so there were more storylines. Also, any episode that had Alice Pearce (Gladys No.1) or Marion Lorne (Aunt Clara) were must-see for me. I just realized they were the only ones to win Emmy Awards from either show.

I've always preferred IDOJ. Barbara Eden, Larry Hagman and Billy Daily were so great together.

The writing helps the most. So Bewitched wins because of that.

Good point, Fallon97. I just think the expanded cast gave the show different places to go, so there were more storylines.

Okay. Well, I guess some shows need an expanded cast and some shows don't. In my opinion, IDOJ is a show that definitely did not need it. To some people, 2 characters from BW are worth 1 character from IDOJ.

Also, any episode that had Alice Pearce (Gladys No.1) or Marion Lorne (Aunt Clara) were must-see for me. I just realized they were the only ones to win Emmy Awards from either show.

I liked Aunt Clara and Glady's No. 1, but for me BW is must-see for me with Samantha and Darrin (Dick York). And IDOJ is must-see for me with Major Nelson and Jeannie.

Bewitched was a better show, especially in the early years but even though Elizabeth Montgomery was pretty, she wasn't in the same league as Barbara Eden.

Elizabeth Montgomery had more range as an actress. She did drama as well as comedy.

Elizabeth Montgomery had more range as an actress. She did drama as well as comedy.


That wasn't the league I was referring to. ;)

i liked i dream of jeannie better then bewitched!! but i always liked my favorite martian & the munsters better!!

Both because both shows look better in color during the remainder of the run

I always liked Bewitched and found IDOJ unwatchable, but over the last couple of months I have watched IDOJ once in a while and now that I am more familiar with the characters I am actually enjoying it.

I still prefer Bewitched.

Both shows are good but Bewitched wins. A few minuses for IDOJ are a couple of tiresome characters, Dr. Bellows and Jeannie's sister. Also that Djinn Djinn dog idea wasn't the greatest. Eden, Hagman, and Daily really carried the show.

Bewitched had a really strong cast. Other than the main cast, Gladys (original) and Abner, Aunt Clara, Uncle Arthur, and Dr. Bombay, Larry and Louise, Maurice, and Esmeralda are all strong, well-played characters (even the guy who plays the drunk in the bar is well-played). EM (aka Pandora Spocks) does a superb job as Serena.

The sad thing is that, other than Erin Murphy, all of the cast is now gone.

It seems to be true of most long-running shows that the casting declines when cast members leave or die. Bewitched is a great example, just like Andy Griffith and some other shows.