View Full Version : Unsettling Ending: The Jaclyn Dowaliby Case


Zoneboy
09-25-2009, 06:50 PM
More than 20 years later, many still have theories about who did it


Link (http://www.southtownstar.com/news/1765450,091309dowalibymain.article)


Chicagoans recall the constant media attention surrounding Jaclyn Dowaliby's case, which dominated headlines and TV news reports through the early 1990s. Jaclyn's neighbors and childhood friends were the first to canvass Midlothian streets, calling and searching for the blue-eyed second-grader.

Cynthia Dowaliby told Oprah Winfrey that she checked on Jaclyn the night of Sept. 9, 1988, and the child was asleep in her room. The Dowalibys slept in the following morning and discovered Jaclyn missing around 9:30 a.m., Cynthia said.



The Final Farewell


David Dowaliby read this out loud at Jaclyn's funeral on Sept. 18, 1988, at St. Mary's Cemetery in Evergreen Park.

Dear Jaclyn,

I knew you wanted to be a cheerleader and a mother. I loved and cared about you. I loved how you always wanted to wear a dress or a skirt to school. You were a beautiful roller skater and bike rider. You were a friend to everyone. We were so sad when we couldn't find you. Out hearts cried out for you every day. I'm sorry this happened. I will never give up on you. I'm sorry this happened to you. Our hearts grow and grow.

Love, Mommy, Daddy and Davey


David Dowaliby told police he noticed the front door was open that morning, and assumed his mother, who lived with the family in the basement of the home, had gotten in late and failed to shut door. The couple called neighbors and family members to see if anyone had seen Jaclyn.

"For a fleeting moment I doubted everyone," Cynthia told Winfrey in 1993. "I know my husband and he would never do anything to hurt his kids."

Neighbors tied yellow ribbons onto trees lining the streets near Jaclyn's home on 148th Place and kept children indoors, fearful the killer would return and snatch other kids.

"Every police officer and village employee at the time lived in this town," said Vincent Schavone, chief of Midlothian police who in 1988 lived about two blocks away from the Dowaliby family.

"This case negatively touched a lot of lives, and has an unsettling ending."

Jaclyn's horrific abduction and murder occurred eight years before child beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey, 6, was found dead under eerily similar circumstances in her Boulder, Colo., home.

In both the cases, a broken basement window became pivotal to the police investigation. In both cases, investigators did not immediately secure the homes to glean evidence and prevent contamination. In both cases, a media frenzy ensued when police fingered the parents and the parents shied from the press and hired lawyers.

"At the time this was a very rare occurrence. No one raced in and accused the parents. The police work was consistent with the times," Schavone said.

"This was the end of an era when people left keys in their cars, their doors unlocked and windows open at night to sleep."

The evidence

Investigators and prosecutors believe the evidence pointed to David and Cynthia. No one saw anyone enter their home, no one heard the basement window break and nothing - other than an innocent child - was taken from modest tan brick home the night of Sept. 9, 1988.

"We felt these two people were responsible, and nothing that's happened since then has changed my mind," said former Illinois state police investigator Kevin Shaughnessy, who interrogated David Dowaliby on Sept. 14, 1988, and informed him Jaclyn's maggot-infested body had been discovered in Blue Island.

"It wasn't a conspiracy to frame the parents; it was an objective to find Jaclyn alive, and after the murder, to find the person who did it. We followed the evidence, and that's where it led."

Police early on theorized the basement window had been broken from the inside - a theory later disproved by forensic scientists in court.

Police and prosecutors also publicized they had two eyewitnesses who had seen David Dowaliby at 2:30 a.m. in the parking lot of the Blue Island apartment where Jaclyn's body was found on the night she disappeared.

In fact, they had located one person who said he saw someone with a nose structure "similar" to David's from a distance of about 75 feet on a moonless night.

Police also failed to dust two doors on the rear of the home for fingerprints and failed to take close-up shots of the broken basement window sill. Investigators testified in court a thin layer of dust lined the window sill after the abduction, which they felt proved no one could have entered the window.

"It's very normal for an officer to sit and write a basic report at the crime scene and not be as thorough because originally we were talking about a missing girl," then-Midlothian Police Chief William Fischer told the Daily Southtown in May 1990. "But later on I had (the officer) sit down and write down every piece of information he could recall."

That was hotly disputed by the Dowaliby's defense attorneys because police failed to take a sample of the dust or take up-close photographs.

"Would it have been nice to have photographic evidence of everything? Sure, but there is never a situation in any case where you get all the evidence you wish you had," said Patrick O'Brien, now a Cook County judge who in 1990 served as lead prosecutor in the trial. "I'm not going to criticize the police. In every case you wish you had more evidence."

The stand-off

During their 1993 taped interview with Oprah Winfrey, David Dowaliby said the couple stopped cooperating with police the day Jaclyn's body was discovered.

The public learned Jaclyn was dead during the Sept. 14, 1988, evening news, he said, while investigators Shaughnessy and Alfred Hardman held back that information from him for an hour-and-a-half while they tried to illicit a confession.

"Nothing is worse in this world than losing your daughter. You couldn't be accused of a worse crime," David Dowaliby told Winfrey.

'Gone in the Night'

Investigative reporters Robert Warden and David Protess in the early 1990s seized on the case as a wrongful conviction, and documented numerous evidentiary missteps by the police task force team that helped to buttress David's appeal.

"David and Cynthia were pleading with the police to shift their focus from them and on to who might have abducted their daughter," Protess said. "After Jaclyn was found, the state zeroed in on them and (the Dowalibys') lawyer appropriately demanded silence."

Protess' and Warden's 1993 book "Gone in the Night: The Dowaliby Family's Encounter with Murder and the Law" spawned a Lifetime movie of the same name that stars Shannon Dougherty, which depicts a Dowaliby relative as the killer; the family receives residuals from the movie when it airs.

The couple also cooperated with NBC's now-defunct "Unsolved Mysteries" series in 1993, in which the couple asked for the public's help to track Jaclyn's killer. David and Cynthia did not participate in A&E's 2008 American Justice program titled "A Parent's Nightmare," which also details the case.

"Whenever the (Lifetime) movie shows, we get a cold-case call," Schavone said. All of the calls are dead ends, he said.

Dead ends and unanswered questions may be all that's left of a case that began when Jaclyn Dowaliby somehow left her home in the middle of a warm autumn night in 1988. Though boxes of evidence gather dust in a Chicago warehouse, few expect authorities will ever deliver justice for Jaclyn.

"We're left with the mystery of what happened to Jaclyn and we wonder all the time what could've happened to her, who could've hurt her," Cynthia said in the "Unsolved Mysteries" story. "We want to find out what happened to Jaclyn. We want justice."

browneyes106
09-25-2009, 07:19 PM
Very good article. I really feel for David and Cynthia.

crochetbuff
09-28-2009, 02:23 PM
Thank you for posting the link and article.

Yes, the movie did leave it looking like the distant family member (Jaclyn's bio-Dad's brother) was most likely the guilty one. Read the book, though and I think that the other man looked at is more likely the real perpetrator (Can't remember his name, but see my posts in the Dowaliby thread.) He had done this exact same thing nearby, but police dismissed it as he hadn't killed the other girl.

Mastermind
09-29-2009, 10:47 AM
The fact that the killer knew enough about the house to avoid that shelf tells me it was a close friend or family member.

The killer had to have known Jaclyn as well as the Dowaliby's to pull this thing off so easily and quickly.

crochetbuff
09-29-2009, 01:02 PM
The fact that the killer knew enough about the house to avoid that shelf tells me it was a close friend or family member.

The killer had to have known Jaclyn as well as the Dowaliby's to pull this thing off so easily and quickly.

That sounds probable and would make sense that it could be a relative or friend. In the book it said that the Bio-Uncle did not know the house well, possibly had never even visited. Perry Hernandez was convicted of going in through a window of a house and taking a little girl out and molesting her in the middle of the night, he let her go and she made her way home. This happened about a year after Jaclyn's killing. Same M.O., but he didn't kill the girl. He also, if I remember correctly had a car similar to the one spotted near where Jaclyn's body was found.

From my other post on other thread: Perry Hernandez who almost exactly one year after Jaclyn's death broke into a home in the area through an open window, took the little girl out of her bed from the same room where her brother was sleeping, past the dog and all, and sexually assaulted her. She was let go and made her way home. He went to prison for that. There's an article online that Hernandez was going to submit blood samples in 1989, it's through one of those services that you have to sign-up for, so I can't read the article. I don't know if Hernandez ever submitted those samples. If he had, he could have been ruled in or out as a suspect, as there was blood under Jaclyn's fingernails. It was type O, David Dowaliby's was Type A. I have no idea if anyone has since done any DNA testing on the blood found under Jaclyn's fingernails.

browneyes106
09-29-2009, 06:17 PM
Does anyone know what mental illness or disability Jacyln's uncle had? I remember it was mentioned in the movie but I can't remember what it was.

crochetbuff
09-30-2009, 12:22 PM
Does anyone know what mental illness or disability Jacyln's uncle had? I remember it was mentioned in the movie but I can't remember what it was.

On another board, it says "paranoid schizophrenic" I don't remember for sure, but that sounds about right.

Cori aka ChrisSCrush
02-01-2010, 01:06 AM
I have no idea if anyone has since done any DNA testing on the blood found under Jaclyn's fingernails.

That just drives me when there's a possible answer and they don't follow up! :soapbox:

Shahla
02-01-2010, 09:00 AM
Maybe they did follow it up but:
1. it came back inconclusive
2. it was not Hernandez's blood
3. it was from Jaclyn herself
4. it was from an unknown person, not in the DNA data bank
5. there was too little to test, contaminated

mwcarolina
02-01-2010, 04:40 PM
i feel it was either a family member or a neighbor behind this, the shelves and the fact that he knew where Jaclyn's room was exactly makes me believe that the killer knew this family or stalked them.

Clockworkhigh
03-03-2010, 04:47 PM
The Dowaliby's seem like nice people. But I do tend to agree with the prosecutor in the UM segment who said that someone inside that house is responsible for her disappearance/death.

Every is just too convenient. I often wonder why the grandmother was never interviewed here. Why is it that this broken window occurs a night that she doesn't come home? Something was fishy about that. I am not saying she or David were necessarily involved but it is a fantastic coincidence that this "burglar" broke into the house knowing the grandmother was not home.

I also wonder how someone could not have heard or scene something. Minus the grandmother there was David his wife and their son in that house. No one heard a thing? No neighbours heard a window smash? The grandmother was coincidentally not home? The desk below the window was not upset?

Also another thing. This may not be a big deal but here goes: When I was 7, the last thing in the world I did was sleep in until 9:30am. I was up at 7am if not sooner watching cartoons. David did not check on Jacklyn until 9:30am? I don't know many 7 year olds that would sleep in until then. This is 1988, do you know the cartoons you would be missing?

Lastly the polygraph. I know David's account is that the man administering the exam told him to intentionally lie. Yes this sounds weird and makes it sound like a little bit of a witchunt but at the end of the day wasn't the polygraph inconclusive? If David wasn't lying about his involvement of killing her wouldn't it have showed up that he was telling the truth with that?

Mastermind
03-04-2010, 07:59 PM
i feel it was either a family member or a neighbor behind this

1.Much as in the Jon benet Ramsey case there seems to be a belief that "neighbor" equals "friend".

You could be a neighbor next door and not know a thing about the inside of someone;s house.

I was close by to my next door neighbors house several years back and I probably couldn;t tell you intricate details about their home like that shelf.

Think about how many neighbors you have that are practically strangers to you and how many people you don;t even know live in the house a few houses down.

It's either friends or family member...neighbors do not need to be included.

2. To actually know someone elses house... you have to have been there multiple times and spent a huge amount of time around the house and in most of the rooms.

If you think about this...there are not that many people that you invite to your home that often and for that great length of time. Not even your relatives may spend that much time there.

If you really think about it....there is a really finite number of people that know the inside of your house as well as you and your family.

Clockworkhigh
03-05-2010, 12:51 AM
Correction: this person had to most likely be close to the GRANDMOTHER. A close friend of David's would not really know the set up of the room of the grandmother unless he/she knew her as well. He had to know she was not coming home that night.

Again, like I said something is amiss with this case. I think the prosecution went fishing with trying to nail David but I have never in my life ruled him out as a suspect. A lot of fantastic coincidences happen.

Like I have said before, 9:30am is awfully late for a 7 year old to be assumed to be sleeping in before checking in on her on a Saturday cartoon-filled morning. I was ALWAYS up before my parents on the weekends without a second thought.

And that polygraph thing, I don't like it............

Priddo
03-05-2010, 09:16 AM
Wouldn't it be ironic if the real murderer was the neighbour they filmed getting in through the basement window, to prove it was easily possible to do.

Mastermind
03-06-2010, 06:53 PM
Correction: this person had to most likely be close to the GRANDMOTHER. A close friend of David's would not really know the set up of the room of the grandmother unless he/she knew her as well. He had to know she was not coming home that night.

I'm sorry it was the grandmother's house and not the Dowaliby's?

The house was not David Dowaliby's primary residence?

Clockworkhigh
03-06-2010, 06:59 PM
I'm sorry it was the grandmother's house and not the Dowaliby's?

It was the Duwaliby's house of course. But a friend of David's would be unlikely to know the exact set up of the Grandmother's room which according to the UM segment is where the window was situated. This is why I believe it is someone who knew the grandmother as much, if not more, than David. Just a thought.

But I have stated before that something has always been fishy about this in the first place. Jacklyn goes missing in the middle of the night and no one hears a scream in the house? Not a struggle? Out of three people sleeping in the house none hear a thing? And then no one checks on her until 9:30am which I have said before is awfully late for a 7 year old to sleep in on a Saturday morning. Plus the grandmother being out of the house at the precise time. Fishy.

Mastermind
03-06-2010, 07:24 PM
It was the Duwaliby's house of course. But a friend of David's would be unlikely to know the exact set up of the Grandmother's room which according to the UM segment is where the window was situated. This is why I believe it is someone who knew the grandmother as much, if not more, than David. Just a thought.


But there were tools that David used that were on it, or was I mistaken?

Clockworkhigh
03-07-2010, 12:34 AM
But there were tools that David used that were on it, or was I mistaken?

Tools used on what?

drew12
09-05-2010, 02:20 AM
this is another sad case case like the gary grant jr case one of the top couple sad cases ever on unsolved mysteries

Apostapler
09-05-2010, 04:03 AM
I hate cases where once they stop focusing on the parents and they are released, no one looks for the killer. It's like the police think, "Well, the real killer got away, so no use looking for anything else now." It's irritating.

McBevis
09-05-2010, 11:52 AM
This is a very troubling case, with a lot of bizarre circumstances, and I really couldn't give a solid theory of what actually happened, but I have always believed from day one that David and Cynthia Dowaliby are NOT guilty. I don't discount the possibility that the killer was a friend or relative, but there just doesn't seem to be enough truly solid evidence that points to the Dowalibys themselves.

As far as the so called sighting of David in the vicinity of where Jaclyn was found, I find it absurd that somebody could definitely be sure that they saw David when the supposed witness was at least 75 feet away on a pitch black night. This theory is also weakened by the fact that, at least as far as the info we get from UM goes, it was never mentioned if the car spotted was anything like the Dowalibys' car.

I also think that if the person responsible for the abduction was extremely familiar with the layout of the Dowaliby home, he/she would certainly know that there was stuff in the basement below the window and take extra precautions to not disturb it.

Also, I don't believe in lie-detector tests. There are all kinds of things (depression, anxiety, medication, etc.) that can screw up the results, and if there was a possibility that I was about to be put away for life, I absolutely would NOT want my fate decided by a machine that might not know what the hell it's doing, and I can understand David Dowaliby not wanting to answer that one question, because it would be awfully unfair to have him be locked up forever due to a faulty lie-detector.

Also, I'm not a psychic or a mind reader, but I do have some pretty good powers of perception, and from viewing the closing interview by the police chief or prosecutor or whoever that guy was who said "the courts did not find David Dowaliby innocent. He was was released because of a lack of evidence. Someone in that household in responsible for this," it pretty easy to tell from the guy's stark tone of voice and the cold, steely look in his eyes that he probably has an obvious hatred for the Dowalibys.

Also, not sure if anybody knows this, but when the segment was reincorporated into one of the 2002 season Lifetime episodes, it was shown with an update focusing on Jaclyn's uncle as a possible suspect, but very little was said regarding how he might have fit into the whole scenario, and I'm inclined to believe that not a lot of effort was put into investigating this possibility.

TracyLynnS
09-05-2010, 12:38 PM
Regarding the "tools"....

I can't recall exactly, I haven't read the book, but I've watched the tv movie and some of the crime shows about this case.

I think the real circumstances were that the killer got into the house through the basement window, which was in the grandmother's bedroom. The killer climbed in and avoided a table or shelf or something that had personal items on it like the grandmother's perfume or something. In any event, it was theorized that those items would have been disturbed if the intruder was a stranger, since he wouldn't know where the items were located in that room.

I think it was in the movie where they changed this room from the grandmother's bedroom and instead represented it as a basement workshop. They used David's tool bench in place of the grandmother's personal items. This was probably done so the public would not be focusing on or blaming the grandmother. She probably felt very guilty, since if she had been home that night, she would have likely awakened to the intruder and things would have turned out differently.

I've read that the grandmother was a very heavy drinker and she often stayed over at friends houses after going to the bar. I think this is discussed in another thread here. I always wondered if maybe an acquaintance of the grandmother had visited the house and her room before, and then found out she would be gone all night that night, and decided to take that opportunity to commit the murder.

Of course, you'd think that this scenario would have been investigated and discounted by now, but after seeing what a mess the officials made out of this, I wonder if it ever even occurred to them.

Also, regarding the layout of the house and who would know where the rooms were, I'm pretty sure this was a 1950s tract house, built in a neighborhood where each house had the exact or nearly exact floor plan as every other house. It was David's childhood home (I think he bought it from his mother was buying it from her at the time of Jaclyn's murder) so there were decades for friends and relatives to visit there and learn the floorplan of the house. I've lived in a couple neighborhoods like that. In one neighborhood, a Detroit suburb, there were hundreds and hundreds of identical houses. I could go into a house 7 streets away, in the middle of the night, without a light of any kind, and I'd be able to navigate the entire house. I could definitely see a 1950s Chicago suburb being like that where anyone out of hundreds of people in the neighborhood could easily walk through the home without waking or disturbing the occupants.

VikingsGal
09-05-2010, 11:25 PM
I never thought the Dowaliby's were guilty. It amazes me that people use the argument that "When I was a kid I woke up at 7am!" Well maybe you did but did Jacqueline? My younger son routinely slept in on Saturdays until 9:30 - still does. The police just REFUSED to admit that they may have made a mistake and I suppose that is because they want the public to have confidence in them but geez that main investigator was rude: "I KNOW someone in that house is responsible."

I always felt bad for this family.

TracyLynnS
09-06-2010, 12:36 AM
The police just REFUSED to admit that they may have made a mistake and I suppose that is because they want the public to have confidence in them but geez that main investigator was rude: "I KNOW someone in that house is responsible."

I agree with you on the Dowaliby's innocence. IMO, if that investigator wants to stick to his "Someone in that house is responsible" stance, I can only say that there was an INTRUDER in the house. He's the one there who was responsible.

XCalibur
09-06-2010, 10:06 AM
Am I crazy or was their an update on this case? Didn't they think Jaclyn's uncle was respoinsible? Was that a mistake to?

VikingsGal
09-06-2010, 10:49 AM
I als think the Dowaliby's had a huge case to sue the state of Illinois for a huge ass sum of money for wrongful imprisonment but they just wanted to be done and over and gone. I hate to pull the "I'm a mom" card out but if I had ONE TEENY TINY THOUGHT that my hubby was responsible for the death of my child, well...I would cut him six ways from Sunday to say the least.

As for the no noise being heard: I watched a 20/20 on a guy who cut open a tent and pulled an 8 year old girl out and kidnapped her. Her entire family was in that tent and no one woke up. So yes I can believe that a person got into a house and took Jacqueline and didn't make a sound.

drew12
09-06-2010, 01:54 PM
this is a sad case and hernandez may be involved

TracyLynnS
09-06-2010, 02:00 PM
I read somewhere (probably on this board) that the Dowalibys had changed their names and moved.

I assume they changed the name because it was so distinctive that they could never have any privacy.

They may have moved to either keep the public from harassing them (there must be folks still out there who think that David Dowaliby is guilty, in addition to the curiosity seekers), or to get away from the horrible memories. Of course it could just be that their neighborhood was getting dangerous or (if the movie is correct) their defense cost so much that they had to sell the house to pay their legal fees.

mwcarolina
09-06-2010, 11:48 PM
1.Much as in the Jon benet Ramsey case there seems to be a belief that "neighbor" equals "friend".
i didnt say that the neighbor is a friend, BUT they could have been in that house to visit and may have seen the layout because of it, i personally feel that the guy who did this knew this family and knew them well.
It's either friends or family member...neighbors do not need to be included.
UNLESS the neighbors are good friends with them, if they are good friends and have been to the house many times and know the house layout, then i think they have to be suspected.
I read somewhere (probably on this board) that the Dowalibys had changed their names and moved.
that would not be a shocking thing.
They may have moved to either keep the public from harassing them (there must be folks still out there who think that David Dowaliby is guilty, in addition to the curiosity seekers), or to get away from the horrible memories.
i think it's a number of things including the public harassment with money issues.

As for people who STILL think David Dowaliby did this, i cant agree. i feel that it's a CLOSE family member or family friend/neighbor, the key word being, CLOSE. i also think it's the same issue with the Ramsey case, a close friend, close neighbor or family member.

TracyLynnS
09-07-2010, 01:55 PM
i also think it's the same issue with the Ramsey case, a close friend, close neighbor or family member.

That reminds me..... In the JonBenet case, that was definitely a unique house. It was very big, had been added onto and changed over the years, had at least 2 staircases, and did not have a floor plan anything like the neighboring houses. On top of that, considering the little basement room where the body was found, it's my opinion that someone who was familiar or very familiar with the layout of the house was the murderer.

In Jaclyn's case, her house was small and very much like the other homes in the neighborhood (IIRC). A stranger could have guessed the floor plan of the house, based on knowledge of the neighboring homes. However, I still have the feeling that someone connected to the family is likely responsible.... a friend, neighbor, or relative. IMO, Jaclyn's stepfather David Dowaliby and Jaclyn's mother, Cynthia are completely innocent.

crochetbuff
09-07-2010, 10:54 PM
this is a sad case and hernandez may be involved

I agree, my bet is on Perry Hernandez. After reading the book, it's seems pretty logical.

mwcarolina
09-10-2010, 12:21 AM
That reminds me..... In the JonBenet case, that was definitely a unique house.
very true which is why i think it's a close family friend or even a relative.
In Jaclyn's case, her house was small and very much like the other homes in the neighborhood (IIRC). A stranger could have guessed the floor plan of the house, based on knowledge of the neighboring homes.
could have, but unlikely.
However, I still have the feeling that someone connected to the family is likely responsible.... a friend, neighbor, or relative. IMO, Jaclyn's stepfather David Dowaliby and Jaclyn's mother, Cynthia are completely innocent.
yeah i am thinking the same thing. It's someone they either know or know of, likely a family member, or close family friend whose been to the house.

mattc
09-16-2010, 08:18 AM
Regarding the "tools"....

I can't recall exactly, I haven't read the book, but I've watched the tv movie and some of the crime shows about this case.

I think the real circumstances were that the killer got into the house through the basement window, which was in the grandmother's bedroom. The killer climbed in and avoided a table or shelf or something that had personal items on it like the grandmother's perfume or something. In any event, it was theorized that those items would have been disturbed if the intruder was a stranger, since he wouldn't know where the items were located in that room.

I think it was in the movie where they changed this room from the grandmother's bedroom and instead represented it as a basement workshop. They used David's tool bench in place of the grandmother's personal items. This was probably done so the public would not be focusing on or blaming the grandmother. She probably felt very guilty, since if she had been home that night, she would have likely awakened to the intruder and things would have turned out differently.

I've read that the grandmother was a very heavy drinker and she often stayed over at friends houses after going to the bar. I think this is discussed in another thread here. I always wondered if maybe an acquaintance of the grandmother had visited the house and her room before, and then found out she would be gone all night that night, and decided to take that opportunity to commit the murder.

Of course, you'd think that this scenario would have been investigated and discounted by now, but after seeing what a mess the officials made out of this, I wonder if it ever even occurred to them.

Also, regarding the layout of the house and who would know where the rooms were, I'm pretty sure this was a 1950s tract house, built in a neighborhood where each house had the exact or nearly exact floor plan as every other house. It was David's childhood home (I think he bought it from his mother was buying it from her at the time of Jaclyn's murder) so there were decades for friends and relatives to visit there and learn the floorplan of the house. I've lived in a couple neighborhoods like that. In one neighborhood, a Detroit suburb, there were hundreds and hundreds of identical houses. I could go into a house 7 streets away, in the middle of the night, without a light of any kind, and I'd be able to navigate the entire house. I could definitely see a 1950s Chicago suburb being like that where anyone out of hundreds of people in the neighborhood could easily walk through the home without waking or disturbing the occupants.

Awesome post Tracylynn :)

This clears a few things up for me. I think you are on to something with an acquaintance of the grandmother's perhaps having something to do with this, particularly if she has lived there for such a long time. Plus, if she's a heavy drinker who frequented bars, she may have brought home some unsavory characters, so to speak.

Anyway, thanks for the information!

Latka Gravas
11-29-2020, 01:47 AM
This JD case is sad & eerie, especially given that they haven't found the perpetrator yet.

In this case, I do not think either parent was responsible for this crime. It's unfortunate that the father had to go to prison, but it's good that he was released without having served an extremely long period of time.

Could JD have been removed from her bedroom window while she was asleep, without anyone actually coming into the house through either the front door or the basement? I see that as a possibility. Though the broken basement window was mentioned as possible evidence that someone came in the house through that entrance, it may not necessarily have had anything to do with the disappearance of JD.

I think you are on to something with an acquaintance of the grandmother's perhaps having something to do with this, particularly if she has lived there for such a long time. Plus, if she's a heavy drinker who frequented bars, she may have brought home some unsavory characters, so to speak.

Possible. The grandmother was barely mentioned. But, she had a basement apartment & seemed to come & go at all hours. So, I can see how some questionable characters she knew may have come into the house late at night - maybe without the parents even being aware of this.

Nowhere was it mentioned whether or not the basement had it's own entrance. It doesn't seem like it did, however.

Side-note: I don't put much stock either way in lie detector tests, and don't think they should be used as any kind of evidence for/against someone.

WishfulDreamer
11-29-2020, 07:08 PM
Would love to see RobinW cover this one on his podcast.

Ijustwantchocolate
12-12-2020, 07:36 PM
This JD case is sad & eerie, especially given that they haven't found the perpetrator yet.

In this case, I do not think either parent was responsible for this crime. It's unfortunate that the father had to go to prison, but it's good that he was released without having served an extremely long period of time.

Could JD have been removed from her bedroom window while she was asleep, without anyone actually coming into the house through either the front door or the basement? I see that as a possibility. Though the broken basement window was mentioned as possible evidence that someone came in the house through that entrance, it may not necessarily have had anything to do with the disappearance of JD.

I always thought the gramma's habits were glossed over. I am not woman shaming in any way, but the in the recreation the dad said, "I don't think Mom came home last night." I was like....."What?" That did not raise eyebrows?
I never the parents had anything to do with it. The guy who identified David from his nose from so far away - laughable. Plus eyewitness testimony is SO unreliable. Count me in as someone who puts zero faith in lie detectors. If they really worked, we would not a jury and trial system.

Possible. The grandmother was barely mentioned. But, she had a basement apartment & seemed to come & go at all hours. So, I can see how some questionable characters she knew may have come into the house late at night - maybe without the parents even being aware of this.

Nowhere was it mentioned whether or not the basement had it's own entrance. It doesn't seem like it did, however.

Side-note: I don't put much stock either way in lie detector tests, and don't think they should be used as any kind of evidence for/against someone.

Clockwork
01-11-2023, 05:55 PM
Not sure what to make of this, but always felt David's arrest was probably just a "We think its him so let's go full attack mode."

There probably wasn't enough looking into the people close to them that would do this. Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped from her bedroom window from a guy who just showed up and did some work on the house one day. That alone could be the key to this.