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Zlatko 09-09-2009, 01:08 AM This case involves a woman who lived in Arizona with her husband; together they owned a video rental store. She disappears one day and is never seen again. Her husband is seen as the lead suspect. Any opinions on this case?
kadrmas15 09-09-2009, 11:24 AM Well, there are certainly some justified attitudes towards the husband in terms of being concerned he (Rob Page) may have been involved in his wife Pam's disappearance. Basically it is a thing where if Rob Page did it he is covered as there is no body and no conclusive physical evidence of a homicide. I do believe Rob Page eventually had Pam declared legally dead and I also believe he did eventually re-marry.
This is a segment where UM kind of irritated me by leaving out certain critical details. Like talking about how the Pages had 'one shaky period in 1987' but not describing anymore than that what that shaky period was. Rob Page did lie and did forge his wife's signature which he eventually did admit to. The question is, why go through this elaborate plan if his wife merely had left him?
I do not know if Rob Page killed his wife or not although I lean in the direction that he did. However, there are several things that point towards the fact that Rob Page had a consciousness of guilt. Remember, Rob Page lied to Pam's family about filing a missing persons report. He did not call the family and tell them that Pam was 'missing. In fact, he did not tell them until Pam's older sister called the Page home and that is when Rob told her that Pam had gone missing days before. Also, Rob lied to Pam's family and said that he had called the police and that they had already taken a missing persons report when in fact he had never called the police and the police had no knowledge of the case.
So, in turn it was at least several days after she disappeared before the Peoria, Arizona Police were notified. They were not even notified by Rob but rather by Pam's family. I mean, Rob and Pam Page had been married for over 10 years and I just think it is strange how Rob would not notify the Police that his wife was missing unless it was because he did not want to notify them so that he had time to clean up the crime scene and set up his alibi.
The thing with Rob Page is, he did something that guilty people typically do, he came up with an elaborate alibi that was so elaborate that he had trouble keeping his fake story straight. Like how he claimed that distinctive truck of his had been parked outside an auto parts store for several hours yet no one could remember it and it was the kind of truck that if you had seen it, it would stick out in your mind because it was a one of a kind truck in terms of the way it was painted.
Plus, Rob admitting that he for some unknown reason, parked Pam's corvette in a Winchell's parking lot. He never did explain why he did this and then subsequently why he lied about it. Rob's story was very elaborate as I said, but one thing he did not take into account was that he parked the Corvette in a Winchell's parking lot that was right across the street from the auto parts store where he claimed he spent several hours fixing his truck. Remember, Rob claimed he went to every Winchell's in the area trying to find the Corvette and he claimed it took him several hours to find it, yet the Corvette was in the parking lot right across the street from that auto parts store and in plain view.
I say that Rob did not go looking for the Corvette because he knew where the Corvette was because he parked it there himself. He admitted parking it there so why would he go around looking for something when he already knew where it was? I say Rob parked the Corvette at a business to give the impression that Pam had left him by abandoning her car at a business.
I think he typed that entire letter and forged his wife's name on it as part of his elaborate alibi that she had left him for another woman. I think he even killed one of their dogs and disposed of Pam's drivers license to make it look like she had left. I believe he also disposed of all of her clothes. While it has never been conclusively proven, it is alleged that Rob Page was having an affair at the time Pam disappeared.
It seems that this crime was done in a rather sloppy way, at least the cover up was. That tells me that Rob probably did not plan this very far in advance if he planned it in advance at all. My guess is, Pam and Rob got into an argument and he lost control and ended up killing her, either by strangulation or by smothering. He then disposed of her body in an unknown location and spent several days afterwards covering up the crime.
egswanso 09-15-2009, 04:07 PM It seems that this crime was done in a rather sloppy way, at least the cover up was. That tells me that Rob probably did not plan this very far in advance if he planned it in advance at all. My guess is, Pam and Rob got into an argument and he lost control and ended up killing her, either by strangulation or by smothering. He then disposed of her body in an unknown location and spent several days afterwards covering up the crime.
I agree with most of your post, except this last bit. While Page's actions strongly make me suspect him, his cover-up, if he did do it, has been masterful, since suspection is all we have - no body, no eyewitnesses, no earwitnesses, indeed, no evidence whatsoever that a crime has been committed beyond rob page's inconsistant stories.
I doubt that Pam Page voluntarily left, given that even if she took up with another woman and presuming her family would have strongly disapproved of this (I have no idea if they would have, but it could explain running off), you'd think she would still at least tell them she's allive, even if she had no intention of coming back; of course, if her marriage was bad, perhaps she enjoys the torment that Rob Page had to live with.
TheCars1986 10-21-2010, 08:15 PM Everything about this case points to Rob Page being guilty as sin. If your wife left you for another woman, why wouldn't you notify her family of this immediately? And an innocent person notifies authorities right away when a loved one goes missing...period. But there are still some nagging points that make me think there is still a small shred that he had nothing to do with it. First their dog was missing. If he did kill the dog and dispose of it or even let it free then Rob went through an awful lot of planning to come up with every single facet of ways to coincide with his version of events. But according to everyone in Pam's family she said everything was going "great". Which begs the question if Rob did kill his wife, why? Also, what happened to the money in their safe at the video store? Why would Rob get rid of a large sum of cash ($60,000) just to cover up Pam's death. Usually people murder their wives to collect money from insurance and the missing money definitely points in the direction that Pam voluntarily left. And since it was cash it would be untraceable.
In spite of all of this I still think if Pam were alive today she would have resurfaced after Rob died of cancer in 2009. So I'm 95% sure he was involved and there's someone else out there that knows as well because he most likely would have needed an accomplice to pull off the cover up.
bell83 10-21-2010, 08:35 PM Everything about this case points to Rob Page being guilty as sin. If your wife left you for another woman, why wouldn't you notify her family of this immediately? And an innocent person notifies authorities right away when a loved one goes missing...period.
Family, absolutely, provided they had at least a decent relationship. Otherwise...maybe not.
As far as notifying anyone else, including law enforcement that you just got left for a woman? Personally, I don't think this would be that common of a thing to do. If you're left a note saying you've been left for a woman, that can be something of a blow to your masculinity. I know people that this has happened to, and it's not exactly something they like to talk about. So if the person believes that's all that happened, I could definitely see them not going to the police.
That being said, I don't remember enough about this case to really say whether I believe he was guilty or not. I haven't seen it in a while.
TheCars1986 10-22-2010, 08:22 AM Yeah but I would be worried about being possibly implicated in her disappearance which is why you would think he would have notified at least her family.
bell83 10-22-2010, 01:12 PM Well, yeah, if he thought she'd disappeared, and got along with her family. I don't know. That's just how I feel about it.
XCalibur 10-24-2010, 04:02 AM Does anyone remember the part of this segment where they interviewed the psychic an she described how she though Pam was murdered? Even where her body was buried? I thought that was really chilling.
For those who don't remember, the psychic said a man and woman were in the house with Pam when the man attacked her and smothered her with a pillow, then they took her out of the house and buried her body by an abandoned warehouse, and she even named nearby street.
The funny part was, they never said if the psychic had any idea who the man and woman were, or if the man was Rob Page.
It kind of fits, if Rob was having an affair, what if Pam came home, caught them together, they had a fight, it got out of hand and he winded up killing her, not really intending to but did anyway, andhe and the girlfriend disposed of the body.
If it happened that way like the pshycic, then it could be possible someone is still alive who knows what happened to her, the woman who was with Rob. If indeed it was him.
Either way, I think Rob had something to do with her dissappearance. His behaviour was way to suspect. I've heard it said those closest to him felt that he had something riding on on his guilt up until he died. If he didn't inted to murder Pam but did so in some kind of fit of rage it would make sense he felt ad about it. When he knew he was dying anyway if he did it he should have manned up and admitted it so Pam's family could have closure, including telling them where the body was buried.
TracyLynnS 10-24-2010, 04:48 AM Yep, I remember some of the part about the psychic. I think it was Pam's sister who described it. It was interesting, they way that the psychic had never seen the Page's home, but was able to tell about the floor plan. It seemed a bit unusual and led some credibility to that version of events.
IMO tho, I think Rob did it and planned it out ahead of time. The way he had that "dear john" letter already written up in their computer, the $60,000 taken out of the safe at work (untraceable money, all he had to do was "steal" it and then say his missing wife ran off with it), the weirdness about the way he parked the cars and made phone calls, and worst of all, his story changed significantly at least two times.
I definitely don't think Pam left willingly.
TheCars1986 10-24-2010, 05:46 PM I still would like to know what happened to the money that allegedly went missing...if it was proven that it was gone, then that leans towards Pam leaving voluntarily.
egswanso 10-26-2010, 04:10 PM I still would like to know what happened to the money that allegedly went missing...if it was proven that it was gone, then that leans towards Pam leaving voluntarily.
If Rob did do it, I would suspect the money was either never there or never went missing. In theory, it could be traced via forensic accounting and physical searches, but this is easier said then done.
mwcarolina 01-17-2011, 09:57 PM yeah, too bad this case will likely never get solved unless Pam really is alive or somehow they actually find the body. Rob Page maybe guilty, but you cant charge him with a crime now that he's dead.
TheCars1986 01-18-2011, 10:44 AM If Pam really were still alive, why not contact her family (by telephone at the very least) to let them know she's ok? I think she's dead.
mwcarolina 01-18-2011, 12:18 PM If Pam really were still alive, why not contact her family (by telephone at the very least) to let them know she's ok? I think she's dead.
oh, dont get me wrong, i agree, she's dead, i just said if she's alive, i think Rob killed her and if he didnt, some intruder did, but Rob did a TON of questionable things (like the letter).
I still would like to know what happened to the money that allegedly went missing...if it was proven that it was gone, then that leans towards Pam leaving voluntarily.
Shortly after Pam died, he remarried. I'm sure he spent it all with her.
Rob Page is one of the guiltiest pieces of **** ever profiled on UM. He had all those years to repent and give Pam's family some solace and he chose to take it to his pitiful grave, one which I would piss and defecate on. Because he was not brought to justice when he was still around, my only wish is that he is getting punished now. And for an eternity.
SageSlowdive 03-28-2011, 04:21 AM That husband obviously killed her - how the cops never found any sufficient evidence on him, I'll never understand.
TheCars1986 03-28-2011, 09:40 AM That husband obviously killed her - how the cops never found any sufficient evidence on him, I'll never understand.
No body = no crime, unfortunately.
LooksLikeCRicci 03-28-2011, 01:08 PM No body = no crime, unfortunately.
Not necessarily true. I can think of plenty of times where prosecutors have gotten convictions without having a body. It's rare but possible when they have a really good circumstantial case against the suspect.
This case is so frustrating to me, especially because it seems so obvious that Pam's husband was behind her disappearance/murder. I agree with most posters on here: Pam is deceased, or she would have done SOMETHING to get into contact with her family.
So sad. Now that her husband is dead, we'll probably never know.
RobinW 03-28-2011, 02:37 PM To add to LooksLikeCRicci's point, Charley Project now has a whole subsection entitled "Corpus Delicti". It lists over 400 cases where someone has gone to trial for murder or manslaughter even though the victim's body has never been found and they are technically still "missing". Over 250 of these cases have lead to a successful conviction.
http://www.charleyproject.org/corpus/index.html
TheCars1986 03-28-2011, 03:54 PM But there appears to some small shred of hope (at least in LE's eyes) that Pam simply ran off and was still alive. Her dog, as well as money from the video store was missing as well. I guess there simply wasn't enough evidence to rule either way. Don't get me wrong, I think Rob is guilty and he murdered Pam, but police unfortunately still can't rule out the fact that she didn't run off.
mwcarolina 05-19-2011, 10:50 AM That husband obviously killed her - how the cops never found any sufficient evidence on him, I'll never understand.
i agree it seems highly likely Rob killed her, BUT how the cops never found any sufficient evidence on him you ask, well simple, no body or sign of foul play, just a BAD story and bad change of story. Even if they found evidence to charge him, they couldnt do it today.
TheCars1986 05-19-2011, 12:04 PM Rob admitting to typing the letter sealed the deal for me. I was actually leaning towards her running off, but when UM revealed he forged the note I was sure he did something to her. Have there been any new updates in this case?
Rob admitting to typing the letter sealed the deal for me. I was actually leaning towards her running off, but when UM revealed he forged the note I was sure he did something to her. Have there been any new updates in this case?
I thought they said Rob only added the last four sentences to the letter or thats what Rob claimed than signed it.
TheCars1986 06-04-2011, 01:51 PM I thought they said Rob only added the last four sentences to the letter or thats what Rob claimed than signed it.
Well that's what Rob Page claimed happened. I think in LE's eyes he was the one who wrote the letter.
XCalibur 06-04-2011, 02:13 PM You all forgetting, if the psychic was right, and Rob had a woman's help getting rid of the body, then she would know to.
I wonder if the woman he married after Pam's dissapearance was ever checked out?
mwcarolina 06-08-2011, 09:35 AM You all forgetting, if the psychic was right, and Rob had a woman's help getting rid of the body, then she would know to. I wonder if the woman he married after Pam's dissapearance was ever checked out?
true, if a woman did help him then she would know and likely be charged, but finding her will be hard. i do think Rob did it, but he's not going to give info out now, he can't.
Rob admitting to typing the letter sealed the deal for me. I was actually leaning towards her running off, but when UM revealed he forged the note I was sure he did something to her. Have there been any new updates in this case?
i was leaning to her running off to UNTIL the story became false with him claiming this and that like his distinctive truck being parked somewhere and of course writing the letter. NOW you asked about any updates in this case. Well the update i know of is that you CANT charge Rob Page because he's dead. Other than that and the fact police ruled him out, no new updates.
TheCars1986 06-08-2011, 12:29 PM Other than that and the fact police ruled him out, no new updates.
Police did rule him out as a suspect? I thought he was never cleared as a suspect in her disappearance.
mwcarolina 06-08-2011, 11:22 PM Police did rule him out as a suspect? I thought he was never cleared as a suspect in her disappearance.
they wrote on this site i went to that the police no longer consider Rob a suspect and i am guessing they did that before his death from cancer.
baloony 04-13-2012, 10:58 AM When did Rob Page die?
mwcarolina 04-14-2012, 11:30 PM When did Rob Page die?
it was sometime in 2009.
TheCars1986 04-16-2012, 04:48 PM The Charley Project page on Pam has a lot of information left out by UM. The Page's actually had two dogs, and only one of them was missing. Pam's family says she would have never seperated the dogs. There was also the "friend" that Pam allegedly ran off with. No one could verify her existence. The kicker? Pam's ID was left behind. And Rob also claimed that she ran off coincidentally the day he was off doing "errands" for 8 hours. GUILTY!
mwcarolina 04-16-2012, 07:31 PM The Charley Project page on Pam has a lot of information left out by UM. The Page's actually had two dogs, and only one of them was missing. Pam's family says she would have never seperated the dogs. There was also the "friend" that Pam allegedly ran off with. No one could verify her existence. The kicker? Pam's ID was left behind. And Rob also claimed that she ran off coincidentally the day he was off doing "errands" for 8 hours. GUILTY!
first off, as i recall the "friend" she ran off with was fake anyway wasnt it??? in other words, didnt Rob make up the "friend?"
now dont get me wrong, i do think Rob did it, the problem is, cant charge a dead man with a crime.
Hambone2421 05-08-2012, 04:36 PM Wow, I had no idea that Rob Page was dead but he was so obviously guilty.
mwcarolina 05-24-2012, 10:05 PM Wow, I had no idea that Rob Page was dead but he was so obviously guilty.
yeah, i found out like a year or so ago and was like, well cant charge him now. i also think he did it. many will say the police eliminated him as a suspect, but for me, making up a story is WAY too suspicious.
TheCars1986 08-02-2012, 11:11 AM Another little tidbit that was on the Charley Project website was that Rob had arrainged the sale of Pam's car a couple of days before she disappeared. That sounds like premeditation to me.
RobinW 08-03-2012, 04:02 PM Man, watching this again, I have to wonder if they thoroughly investigated the Pages' finances after Pam disappeared. I do not believe Rob's story at all that she took $60,000 from the video store safe. I doubt he would destory that much money just to cover his wife's disappearance, but I'm sure it never existed to begin with. No one who owns a business in a big city is going to keep that much cash in their store safe.
I don't know if UM filmed the re-enactment in Rob's actual store, but I always found it funny that they showed him opening the safe on the middle of the sales floor next to the video tapes. What kind of business owner would put a safe filled with $60,000 out in the open like that where all the customers could see it?
MegtheEgg86 08-03-2012, 07:32 PM Another little tidbit that was on the Charley Project website was that Rob had arrainged the sale of Pam's car a couple of days before she disappeared. That sounds like premeditation to me.
I noticed that too a while back when I was researching articles on this case. I've come to the conclusion that the very vast majority of people are not anywhere near meticulous enough to murder someone and flawlessly conceal it. Remember those wildly different signatures? And that story about driving around all over Phoenix to find a bright yellow Corvette parked across the street from the auto parts store/garage? But thank God for goober moves. If nothing they set a few people moving in maybe the right direction.
MegtheEgg86 08-03-2012, 07:36 PM Man, watching this again, I have to wonder if they thoroughly investigated the Pages' finances after Pam disappeared. I do not believe Rob's story at all that she took $60,000 from the video store safe. I doubt he would destory that much money just to cover his wife's disappearance, but I'm sure it never existed to begin with. No one who owns a business in a big city is going to keep that much cash in their store safe.
I don't know if that $60,000 existed either (and it probably didn't, if I was a betting woman). I can't imagine someone being apparently as sloppy as Rob Page seemed to be with other things being able to sophisticatedly manipulate financial records.
XiaoGouPi 02-01-2013, 03:47 AM Hi, just to add on the discussion here with some extra points.
Rob Page has got to be one of the guiltiest persons ever to be featured on UM. There is no doubt in my mind he is responsible for the disappearance of his wife.
Sure people can argue maybe he was ashamed of the fact his wife ran off with another woman, and the disappearance of the so called '$60,000' leans to the fact his wife has ran away and she purposely remained missing in order to spite him.
All these are a load of crap.
If he is innocent, He could might as well told police the exact truth of his actions if he was truly innocent, isn't it?
Why present such a concucted story to the police?
Why go through all the trouble of typing the letter out, forge his wife's signature, and park his wife's car?
Why did he had to do so much elaborate stuff and create so much suspicion over himself ?
There can only be one logical reason to all these:
To cover up his guilt.
TheCars1986 03-06-2014, 05:47 PM I just watched the original broadcast on Pam Page. It seems to me like on the Lifetime reruns they edited out about 2 minutes (I don't remember ever seeing an interview with Pam's father, but I may be wrong). Anyway, Rob Page definitely looks guilty on the surface. But there (as well as with Paul Pollis) are things about this case that make me think, "there is a slight chance he had nothing to do with it." According to the UM segment, all of Pam's clothes and family photos were gone. Now granted, Rob did do some boneheaded things like lie to investigators initially. But could he really be that thorough to go through the house and get rid of the photos and all of her clothes? And if he's guilty, he not only hid her body in such a place that it hasn't been found in over twenty years, but also to hide her clothing and the family photos so well seems unlikely to me. He never tried to declare her dead, which is something that guilty people usually do to collect a life insurance on their spouse. According to Charley Project, he hired a PI to find her as well. I'm just trying to think out every possibility. I still lean heavily on the side that he's guilty of her murder and disappearance, but there is a minor possibility that he genuinely was embarrassed that his wife left him for another woman and that he was fearful that the cops would implicate him if he didn't abandon her car and sign the note he found on the computer. Truth sometimes is stranger than fiction.
lindamichelle1 03-06-2014, 08:23 PM what season or episode was the Pam Page story on? i would love to see the video
TracyLynnS 03-07-2014, 07:52 AM The UM wikia says it first aired December 8, 1993. IMDB says that's Season 6 Episode 12.
http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Pam_Page
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1924108/?ref_=tt_ep_ep31
RobinW 03-07-2014, 08:54 AM But could he really be that thorough to go through the house and get rid of the photos and all of her clothes? And if he's guilty, he not only hid her body in such a place that it hasn't been found in over twenty years, but also to hide her clothing and the family photos so well seems unlikely to me.
I'm more intrigued by the tidbit from the Charley Project (not mentioned on UM) that one of Pam's dogs was missing. Did Rob really go so far as to murder a dog and dispose of its body in order to make his story look more convincing? That seems even more difficult than getting rid of the photos and clothes. I suppose he could have taken the dog somewhere far away and let it run off, but there's always the risk of his cover story falling apart if the dog is found.
I remember there being a psychic in this segment who had visions that Rob had a female accomplice who helped him dispose of the body. I don't know if there's any truth to it, but it does seem more likely that Rob would have needed help in order to pull this off.
I still lean heavily on the side that he's guilty of her murder and disappearance, but there is a minor possibility that he genuinely was embarrassed that his wife left him for another woman and that he was fearful that the cops would implicate him if he didn't abandon her car and sign the note he found on the computer. Truth sometimes is stranger than fiction.
I've always found it interesting that Rob is one of the few suspicious UM spouses who did not appear for an interview on the show. Whether he's guilty or not, I could see him being too embarrassed to go on national TV and claim his wife left him for another woman. But still, I do think it's way more likely that Rob is guilty since Pam has never contacted her family since her disappearance. It's almost like Rob threw in the angle about the other woman so he could say: "Oh, the reason Pam hasn't contacted her family is because she's worried she'll be ostracized".
TheCars1986 03-07-2014, 02:39 PM I've always found it interesting that Rob is one of the few suspicious UM spouses who did not appear for an interview on the show. Whether he's guilty or not, I could see him being too embarrassed to go on national TV and claim his wife left him for another woman. But still, I do think it's way more likely that Rob is guilty since Pam has never contacted her family since her disappearance. It's almost like Rob threw in the angle about the other woman so he could say: "Oh, the reason Pam hasn't contacted her family is because she's worried she'll be ostracized".
I honestly could see a scenario where Rob was on the computer and found the letter written by Pam, which then led to an argument. One dog was missing, all of her clothes, all of her family photos, and a large sum (if Rob is to be believed) of cash was gone. Her ID and credit cards were left behind. I see this going one of two ways. Either Rob intended to get rid of her ID and credit cards but "forgot" and then made up the amount of money in the safe (to make it seem like she took off), OR Pam in fact did plan on leaving and changing her identity, so she wouldn't need her credit cards or her ID...all that was necessary was the cash and her clothes. But then again, if she planned on abandoning her family to start a new life, why take all of the family photos with her?
MegtheEgg86 03-07-2014, 05:42 PM I honestly could see a scenario where Rob was on the computer and found the letter written by Pam, which then led to an argument. One dog was missing, all of her clothes, all of her family photos, and a large sum (if Rob is to be believed) of cash was gone. Her ID and credit cards were left behind. I see this going one of two ways. Either Rob intended to get rid of her ID and credit cards but "forgot" and then made up the amount of money in the safe (to make it seem like she took off), OR Pam in fact did plan on leaving and changing her identity, so she wouldn't need her credit cards or her ID...all that was necessary was the cash and her clothes. But then again, if she planned on abandoning her family to start a new life, why take all of the family photos with her?
I always got the impression that Pam became very homesick for Arkansas just after that family reunion. (Did anyone else feel that way? I'm not sure where I'm getting this; I might have read something to that effect a long time ago in archives.) If that was the case, that indicates a possibility as to why those photos were gone. On the other hand, why would she not go back to her family in Arkansas?
I admittedly would feel more open to the possibility that Rob Page is innocent of any wrongdoing were it not for that ordeal with the Corvette. Faking a signature, I might give him that. But moving the car and then lying about discovering it just makes me a little too uncomfortable.
Conversely, I actually don't find Rob's divorcing Pam in the weeks after her disappearance to be suspicious if he actually felt she had left him voluntarily. Perhaps one of our attorneys can clarify, but isn't that a typically advised legal move under those circumstances?
TheCars1986 03-07-2014, 08:33 PM I admittedly would feel more open to the possibility that Rob Page is innocent of any wrongdoing were it not for that ordeal with the Corvette. Faking a signature, I might give him that. But moving the car and then lying about discovering it just makes me a little too uncomfortable.
You bring up a great point here. It took the police to poke holes in Rob's initial story for him to actually finally tell them the "real" version of events. Instead of sticking to his story though, he came clean (somewhat) about typing the last 4 sentences on the letter and signing Pam's name, and then moving her vehicle.
This is where it gets frustrating. Firstly, the UM segment says Rob came down the stairs in the morning and saw that Pam wasn't feeling well and he told here he'd go open their video store while she rested and went to the doctor. The UM segment says Rob left and opened the store at 8 a.m. You would think that someone (customers, coworkers at the store) could verify that Rob was there from 8 in the morning until noon (the UM segment says he left to go home for lunch). Now if Rob left the store, that would mean that someone else was there working in his place. So again, there has to be a witness to his whereabouts at this time. Rob then says he went home and found Pam missing, and then typed the added sentences to the letter and then signed her name. He then drove her car to the donut shop and called a cab to pick him up. Again, there has to be verifiable proof (and IIRC the UM segment did say that a taxi cab did respond to the auto store that day) as to what time Rob got in the cab and what time he was dropped off. So it seems somewhat reasonable that Rob was active between the hours of 8 a.m. and 4 p.m. (Charley Project says 4:00 p.m., but if Rob went home for lunch around noon, he would definitely have "discovered" his wife missing before that). Now if Rob is guilty, where was Pam's body this whole time? And according to Charley Project, Rob returned to the store around 4 and showed one of his employees the note Pam had written. Why would he do this? Especially if he hadn't yet gotten rid of her body? This case is very similar to Paul Pollis. Pam was last seen around 8:30 p.m. by a coworker, who says everything appeared normal. So, if Rob is guilty, he had 12 hours to kill her, dispose of her body along with her clothes, pictures, one of the dogs, and (if he's truthful about the money) jack the money from the safe in the store. And then to appear at 8 a.m. the next morning without looking noticeably fatigued, weird, distant, etc. Not to mention that Pam may have gotten home as late as 9-9:30 that night, giving him less of a window of opportunity to do these things. And Rob remained at the same house for the rest of his life, according to Charley Project. Guilty people (Mark Nichols comes to mind) seem to want to move out and get away from a house where they committed a murder.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not ready to declare Rob innocent just yet, because the evidence tips in favor of him being guilty. But I do think there are enough questions in this case to think that there is a possibility that he was innocent, and out of embarrassment made up some of the story (and actions) that he did after she left.
MegtheEgg86 03-07-2014, 10:39 PM You bring up a great point here. It took the police to poke holes in Rob's initial story for him to actually finally tell them the "real" version of events. Instead of sticking to his story though, he came clean (somewhat) about typing the last 4 sentences on the letter and signing Pam's name, and then moving her vehicle.
This is where it gets frustrating. Firstly, the UM segment says Rob came down the stairs in the morning and saw that Pam wasn't feeling well and he told here he'd go open their video store while she rested and went to the doctor. The UM segment says Rob left and opened the store at 8 a.m. You would think that someone (customers, coworkers at the store) could verify that Rob was there from 8 in the morning until noon (the UM segment says he left to go home for lunch). Now if Rob left the store, that would mean that someone else was there working in his place. So again, there has to be a witness to his whereabouts at this time. Rob then says he went home and found Pam missing, and then typed the added sentences to the letter and then signed her name. He then drove her car to the donut shop and called a cab to pick him up. Again, there has to be verifiable proof (and IIRC the UM segment did say that a taxi cab did respond to the auto store that day) as to what time Rob got in the cab and what time he was dropped off. So it seems somewhat reasonable that Rob was active between the hours of 8 a.m. and 4 p.m. (Charley Project says 4:00 p.m., but if Rob went home for lunch around noon, he would definitely have "discovered" his wife missing before that). Now if Rob is guilty, where was Pam's body this whole time? And according to Charley Project, Rob returned to the store around 4 and showed one of his employees the note Pam had written. Why would he do this? Especially if he hadn't yet gotten rid of her body? This case is very similar to Paul Pollis. Pam was last seen around 8:30 p.m. by a coworker, who says everything appeared normal. So, if Rob is guilty, he had 12 hours to kill her, dispose of her body along with her clothes, pictures, one of the dogs, and (if he's truthful about the money) jack the money from the safe in the store. And then to appear at 8 a.m. the next morning without looking noticeably fatigued, weird, distant, etc. Not to mention that Pam may have gotten home as late as 9-9:30 that night, giving him less of a window of opportunity to do these things. And Rob remained at the same house for the rest of his life, according to Charley Project. Guilty people (Mark Nichols comes to mind) seem to want to move out and get away from a house where they committed a murder.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not ready to declare Rob innocent just yet, because the evidence tips in favor of him being guilty. But I do think there are enough questions in this case to think that there is a possibility that he was innocent, and out of embarrassment made up some of the story (and actions) that he did after she left.
I think you bring up some very valid points, but I still think he could have committed his wife's murder the night before and used the entire day or at the least the hours between noon and 4 PM (CP says he opened the store and immediately left to run "errands", according to his employees; UM may have said something different) to tie up his loose ends (i.e., conceal Pam's body or complete the concealment of Pam's body and/or the crime scene)--much in the same way I think Mark Nichols did when he murdered Christi.
I guess Rob seems a little too Stephen Marfeo-ish for me at this point. Again, I do think you raise some valid points, especially the embarrassment factor Pam leaving him for a woman could have had on him.
TheCars1986 03-08-2014, 09:10 AM Was Rob ever named a suspect, or was he simply a person of interest? I believe the cops knew he did it, but without Pam's body, there was still the miniscule chance that Pam simply ran off to start a new life.
Drakken 02-20-2015, 01:59 PM Don't get me wrong, I'm not ready to declare Rob innocent just yet, because the evidence tips in favor of him being guilty. But I do think there are enough questions in this case to think that there is a possibility that he was innocent, and out of embarrassment made up some of the story (and actions) that he did after she left.
The thing is, nothing points legally to Rob Page being guilty enough to warrant an arrest. Nothing points, legally again, that a crime of murder had even been committed.
I am fairly certain that even LE was certain that Rob Page was involved in his wife's disappearance, but they could never prove with reasonable evidence that the crime had been committed and they were advised not to go for an arrest. All that was sketchy about his acccount, he admitted to being lieing because he was ashamed. However, there was no evidence that might contradict the rest of his account. There was no crime scene, no likely weapon, no bodily or organic traces (like blood stains, grease, or signs of struggle). She literally vanished without trace.
There was no meat at all for the prosecution to secure a guilty verdict. Because of the slight, yet reasonable doubt that Pam Page might indeed have run off with the money and die afterwards it would have not passed the grand jury.
wiseguy182 06-02-2015, 07:02 AM After doing some freeze-framing, I was able to make out a good chunk of the letter.
Top portion:
"I was going to write this but every time my hand started shaking.
You may have already figured out what is happening. Sarah said I shouldn't write you a letter, but you deserve an explanation.
By the time you read this, I will be a long way from here. Right now I am not even sure where we are going to. I'm not coming back either. I have thought this thing out and have been planning for several months. I thought I could go back home but it just isn't right. I know this now since my trip. I'm leaving because I'm not happy and I know you're not either. I thought living back home would make me happy, it won't, I know this now. I guess I really don't know what will really make me happy, but I have to find it. I do know we that we are not happy together and we haven't been in so long I can't remember anymore.
You have changed so much over the years and each year we keep getting further apart. We don't love each other and I'm not sure if we ever(y) really did. I'm not sure what real love is but it has to be better than this. We are only existing together and it is making me crazy. I really care about you but I have to start doing something for me. I'm tired of trying to please everyone in the world except myself. I'm tired of being nice to you, the girls, the members, my family. Your family and everyone else are getting nothing in return. The only one who can find happiness for me is myself.
The only real friend I feel I have is Sarah...
End portion:
"I am going to take the pictures. You never look at them anyways.
Please don't worry about us we will be alright. Between Sarah and me we will have plenty of money to take care of ourselves.
Promise you will eat right, you have always been bad about that when I have been gone. You can't live on cereal and pizza all of your life.
You can tell the members whatever you want to make it easier on you and the girls.
I have always thought you were going out on me even though I don't know when you would have had time to. If you are I guess I don't really blame you, but I'm glad I never found out, I don't know exactly what I would have done. If you never have, I'm sorry I mistrusted you. I never went out on you, I always hoped someday things would change with us. I know now that isn't possible. I'm sure there must be someone out there who is right for me and you because we sure aren't right for each other. Sarah is looking for the same thing and together I think we will find it.
Take care of Killer."
Wow. My initial thoughts.
-There are quite a few grammatical errors in this. It sounds very choppy and seems to come from someone who struggled through high school English courses. I don't know if that points more towards Rob or Pam though. No true spelling errors though, which is weird, but maybe the computer had spellcheck.
-I assume "Killer" is their other daschund.
-The writer makes several references to "the members". At first I thought family members, but since the writer also uses the term "my family" that doesn't appear to be correct. Who are "the members"? The video store customers?
I'll have to re-read this, it's long and there's so much packed into it, some of it will have to sink in.
Hambone2421 06-02-2015, 08:57 AM After doing some freeze-framing, I was able to make out a good chunk of the letter.
Top portion:
"I was going to write this but every time my hand started shaking.
You may have already figured out what is happening. Sarah said I shouldn't write you a letter, but you deserve an explanation.
By the time you read this, I will be a long way from here. Right now I am not even sure where we are going to. I'm not coming back either. I have thought this thing out and have been planning for several months. I thought I could go back home but it just isn't right. I know this now since my trip. I'm leaving because I'm not happy and I know you're not either. I thought living back home would make me happy, it won't, I know this now. I guess I really don't know what will really make me happy, but I have to find it. I do know we that we are not happy together and we haven't been in so long I can't remember anymore.
You have changed so much over the years and each year we keep getting further apart. We don't love each other and I'm not sure if we ever(y) really did. I'm not sure what real love is but it has to be better than this. We are only existing together and it is making me crazy. I really care about you but I have to start doing something for me. I'm tired of trying to please everyone in the world except myself. I'm tired of being nice to you, the girls, the members, my family. Your family and everyone else are getting nothing in return. The only one who can find happiness for me is myself.
The only real friend I feel I have is Sarah...
End portion:
"I am going to take the pictures. You never look at them anyways.
Please don't worry about us we will be alright. Between Sarah and me we will have plenty of money to take care of ourselves.
Promise you will eat right, you have always been bad about that when I have been gone. You can't live on cereal and pizza all of your life.
You can tell the members whatever you want to make it easier on you and the girls.
I have always thought you were going out on me even though I don't know when you would have had time to. If you are I guess I don't really blame you, but I'm glad I never found out, I don't know exactly what I would have done. If you never have, I'm sorry I mistrusted you. I never went out on you, I always hoped someday things would change with us. I know now that isn't possible. I'm sure there must be someone out there who is right for me and you because we sure aren't right for each other. Sarah is looking for the same thing and together I think we will find it.
Take care of Killer."
Wow. My initial thoughts.
-There are quite a few grammatical errors in this. It sounds very choppy and seems to come from someone who struggled through high school English courses. I don't know if that points more towards Rob or Pam though. No true spelling errors though, which is weird, but maybe the computer had spellcheck.
-I assume "Killer" is their other daschund.
-The writer makes several references to "the members". At first I thought family members, but since the writer also uses the term "my family" that doesn't appear to be correct. Who are "the members"? The video store customers?
I'll have to re-read this, it's long and there's so much packed into it, some of it will have to sink in.
Nice job, wiseguy!
I assume "members" means video store members. Since they owned the store, they probably became friendly with numerous "regulars" who would ask about her if they didn't see her for a while.
MegtheEgg86 06-17-2016, 10:43 AM Re-watched this segment today and something occurred to me today that never has before: the story about Pam's clothes either being sorted out downstairs in the living room (allegedly by Pam herself, for donation to Goodwill). What a wholly plausible way to explain the disarray one would create while getting rid of another's belongings in the event someone saw it (a child or family friend, for instance).
Hambone2421 08-12-2016, 01:10 PM I just re-watched this segment. I am taking the psychic part completely out because I put as much stock into what they say as what my two year old son says about politics.
I think one interesting thing here is that Rob waited to alert family and the authorities. I wonder if after he killed Pam, if he dumped her body and all of her belongings into a dumpster or random dumpsters around the city and waited until after all of them had been picked up before alerting authorities. By doing this, it assures that even if law enforcement checks the dumpsters, they will not find her or any of her belongings.
As far as the money goes, is there even any proof that there was that much money in the store? If there was and Rob pocketed it, its not completely out of the realm of possibility that he slowly spent that money over the year. Fast food here, grocery store run there, random errands etc.. All paid in cash.
TheCars1986 08-15-2016, 07:20 AM Random thought I just had:
If Pam did run off to start a new life because of problems with Rob, why not resurface after Rob's death? What would be holding her back?
Hambone2421 08-15-2016, 09:08 AM Random thought I just had:
If Pam did run off to start a new life because of problems with Rob, why not resurface after Rob's death? What would be holding her back?
When did he die?
TheCars1986 08-15-2016, 10:43 AM When did he die?
He died from cancer in 2009.
LooksLikeCRicci 08-15-2016, 03:01 PM Random thought I just had:
If Pam did run off to start a new life because of problems with Rob, why not resurface after Rob's death? What would be holding her back?
You and I both know why. Because she's deceased. I maintain Rob killed her. :mad: :mad:
MegtheEgg86 08-15-2016, 03:54 PM You and I both know why. Because she's deceased. I maintain Rob killed her. :mad: :mad:
Co-sign. Forging that signature on that note alone smelled bad.
TheCars1986 08-16-2016, 09:21 AM You and I both know why. Because she's deceased. I maintain Rob killed her. :mad: :mad:
I agree.
Just something that puts a final nail in the coffin of the Pam ran off theory, IMO.
LooksLikeCRicci 08-16-2016, 11:31 AM I agree.
Just something that puts a final nail in the coffin of the Pam ran off theory, IMO.
Totally see your point. And yes, I agree. If she were still alive, there would be no reason to hide anymore.
1990 UM fan 08-16-2016, 02:49 PM I have a few questions:
1. What would the motive have been for Rob killing Pam?
2. Did the police ever search the area where the psychic said her body might be?
3. The psychic mentioned a woman helping Rob hide Pam's body. Was he cheating on Pam for another woman?
MegtheEgg86 06-16-2019, 09:51 AM Threw this one on this morning and paused it at the letters to re-read them.
I DO get the impression of it was indeed written by Pam, but definitely not the last few paragraphs.
This would jibe with Rob's story about finding the letter and then adding to the end of it. The letter may have even been the impetus for Pam's disappearance at Rob's hand.
bell83 06-16-2019, 12:22 PM I honestly don't know where I stand on this case. Instinctively, it HAS to be him. But it's very weird to me that the police cleared him as a suspect. The only way I can see them clearing him would be if there was evidence that isn't readily available to us. So that makes me question my instincts...
bell83 06-16-2019, 12:23 PM Unless I'm mistaken....the update said the police had cleared him, right?
MegtheEgg86 06-16-2019, 02:09 PM It did. Somebody started a thread about it and I'm glad they did, because I too thought it had to be erroneous. Rob Page died in 2009, but I'm not sure when exactly he was cleared or on what evidence or information. It got to be the topic of some discussion:
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=362456
MegtheEgg86 06-16-2019, 02:12 PM And for the record, I think and have always thought this is an actual Rob did it until there's information that leads me to conclude otherwise.
bell83 06-16-2019, 04:13 PM And for the record, I think and have always thought this is an actual Rob did it until there's information that leads me to conclude otherwise.
DAMN IT
How did I miss out on a chance to say "ROB DID IT?"
The worst part, is when I was writing my first comment, I even thought of it, but for whatever reason, I didn't remember his name was Rob, too :crying:
The only thing worse than this is when they told me the mission was off :mad:
TheCars1986 06-17-2019, 07:44 AM Threw this one on this morning and paused it at the letters to re-read them.
I DO get the impression of it was indeed written by Pam, but definitely not the last few paragraphs.
This would jibe with Rob's story about finding the letter and then adding to the end of it. The letter may have even been the impetus for Pam's disappearance at Rob's hand.
Doesn't the letter mention the friend she was going to run away with throughout and not just the last few paragraphs? If the letter was indeed written by Pam and Rob, after discovering it, flew into a rage and killed her, why didn't "Sarah" ever surface?
The first I ever heard about Rob being cleared was on the Farina hosted episodes and I think it was before he died. It's also on the UM write up about her disappearance. Why would the police say this if they didn't have some sort of evidence that he didn't do it or that there is stronger evidence implicating another suspect? Especially since he's now deceased.
bell83 06-17-2019, 10:01 AM Why would the police say this if they didn't have some sort of evidence that he didn't do it or that there is stronger evidence implicating another suspect? Especially since he's now deceased.
This is why I lean towards there being a possibility that he didn't do it.
TheCars1986 06-17-2019, 10:21 AM I also saw in a newspaper article shown in the segment (which showed Rob's picture) that one of the reasons why Pam's family was so suspicious was because 2 years prior, Rob had asked for a divorce and Pam immediately called one of her sisters to tell her. They don't think she would have went completely silent and not contacted them had she been the one to ask Rob for a divorce.
Todd Mueller 06-17-2019, 11:53 AM Why would the police say this if they didn't have some sort of evidence that he didn't do it or that there is stronger evidence implicating another suspect? Especially since he's now deceased.
Yes! This is the key point with me. He is naturally a suspect (as are most spouses) just based on proximity. Throw in all of his admitted actions, his changed original story, and circumstantial evidence, and Rob is a strong suspect. So how the hell would they clear him unless they found a more logical suspect or discovered no crime had occurred.
What is found in articles online does not jive with the UM update. For example:
“We [Pam's family] believe it is possible that Rob may have told his sister, Bettina, something on his deathbed, but she is not talking to us, and we have no access to search the house in case he may have left a note or something behind,” Rice said.
Police said the case immediately focused on the husband, but no linking evidence was found. Detectives now are pursuing other leads.
Officers admit that in recent years, there has been nothing new as far as significant leads or evidence, but they are hoping for a tip that will finally crack the puzzling case.
"This woman was very close to her family," Chris Boughey, a Peoria police detective, said. "Her disappearance has been devastating. Finding out what happened, one way or another, will allow us to provide a degree of closure for the family, especially the aging parents."
I have to wonder if the police saying "We are pursuing other leads" got misinterpreted as "Rob is no longer a suspect." Everything I can find on her family says they still firmly believe that Rob killed her. I can't fathom police clearing him completely without some very strong evidence that he was not involved.
Until I read or hear this directly from the police, I am suspicious as to the true accuracy of this update.
TheCars1986 06-17-2019, 11:57 AM I have to wonder if the police saying "We are pursuing other leads" got misinterpreted as "Rob is no longer a suspect." Everything I can find on her family says they still firmly believe that Rob killed her. I can't fathom police clearing him completely without some very strong evidence that he was not involved.
Seems weird to me that both the Farina episodes and the Stack episodes would feature this update about Rob no longer being a suspect. I've noticed that on certain segments (Deborah Poe for example), the Farina episodes had updates that are not featured on Prime. There has to be more substantial information that would lead police to believe Rob had nothing to do with her disappearance.
bell83 06-18-2019, 09:10 AM Yes! This is the key point with me. He is naturally a suspect (as are most spouses) just based on proximity. Throw in all of his admitted actions, his changed original story, and circumstantial evidence, and Rob is a strong suspect. So how the hell would they clear him unless they found a more logical suspect or discovered no crime had occurred.
What is found in articles online does not jive with the UM update. For example:
I have to wonder if the police saying "We are pursuing other leads" got misinterpreted as "Rob is no longer a suspect." Everything I can find on her family says they still firmly believe that Rob killed her. I can't fathom police clearing him completely without some very strong evidence that he was not involved.
Until I read or hear this directly from the police, I am suspicious as to the true accuracy of this update.
Correct me if I'm wrong, because it's very possible I am...but I seem to remember there being at least one case where the person of interest was dead and they had an update saying that they consider the case closed. If the police believed he did it, and he was now dead, why would the police even bother with saying "we're pursuing other leads?" I guess that's what I keep coming back to is...what's the point?
TheCars1986 06-18-2019, 11:29 AM Correct me if I'm wrong, because it's very possible I am...but I seem to remember there being at least one case where the person of interest was dead and they had an update saying that they consider the case closed. If the police believed he did it, and he was now dead, why would the police even bother with saying "we're pursuing other leads?" I guess that's what I keep coming back to is...what's the point?
This is what I keep getting hung up on as well. Kathy Bonderson's case was closed after her husband killed himself and police came out with a statement basically affirming that the case was closed because the person who murdered Kathy was now dead and that if he were alive, he would have been arrested for her murder.
I can't get over the fact that the police didn't even say something along the lines of "our prime suspect in this case has since died" with regards to the case after Rob died.
bell83 06-18-2019, 11:49 AM This is what I keep getting hung up on as well. Kathy Bonderson's case was closed after her husband killed himself and police came out with a statement basically affirming that the case was closed because the person who murdered Kathy was now dead and that if he were alive, he would have been arrested for her murder.
I can't get over the fact that the police didn't even say something along the lines of "our prime suspect in this case has since died" with regards to the case after Rob died.
Exactly. Honestly, this is the only real reason I lean away from him being responsible. If it weren't for this, I'd be in the "Rob did it" boat.
Todd Mueller 06-18-2019, 03:14 PM Correct me if I'm wrong, because it's very possible I am...but I seem to remember there being at least one case where the person of interest was dead and they had an update saying that they consider the case closed. If the police believed he did it, and he was now dead, why would the police even bother with saying "we're pursuing other leads?" I guess that's what I keep coming back to is...what's the point?
You may also be thinking of Stephen Morfeo. He was the main suspect in the disappearance of his wife who was never found. Later he shot and killed a former girlfriend and her current boyfriend and then later killed himself. They searched that same area for his wife’s body but never found it. They now consider the case closed and Stephen is the likely suspect.
My issue with Rob page is this: do we know the police actually said he is “no longer a suspect” or are we taking UM’s word for it? As I said before, articles reference the cops looking for other leads but nowhere besides the UM update does it say Rob was cleared. I think this may be a case where a UM researcher misheard what was said. If not, the police must be aware of some pretty important evidence they have never shared.
Todd Mueller 06-18-2019, 03:17 PM I can't get over the fact that the police didn't even say something along the lines of "our prime suspect in this case has since died" with regards to the case after Rob died.
I agree. Do we know they didn’t say this? I would just like to know the police cleared him from a source other than UM.
TheCars1986 06-18-2019, 04:44 PM I agree. Do we know they didn’t say this? I would just like to know the police cleared him from a source other than UM.
They didn't say it in that article from 2010 a few weeks after Rob had died. They just said that foul play is suspected. Which is bizarre considering the update on the Farina episodes (2008-2009 I believe was the airdate) saying that the police no longer consider Rob a suspect but they have "no idea" what happened to Pam. A producer for UM had to have reached out to the PD to get some sort of update on the case and that is what they were told. I do think it's possible that the cops "downgraded" him from suspect to person of interest because everywhere they looked (IIRC, they had ground penetrating sonar and searched Page's house) they couldn't come up with any physical evidence against Rob.
If the police department did in fact change his status from suspect to person of interest, I'd say that was a huge mistake. The biggest reason? The letter that Pam wrote to Rob says that Pam took the money from the safe at their store to run off and start a new life. According to Rob's 2nd version of events (the one where he admitted to moving their corvette, typing the last 4 sentences of the letter, and forging Pam's signature), Rob found the letter one week prior to Pam's disappearance. Meaning that Pam, if the letter was actually written by her, had had this planned in advance. Rob claims that the money from the safe was in fact missing. The only problem? Pam was last seen alive on the evening prior to her disappearance by another employee at the rental store. This employee says that both Pam AND Rob were present and that Pam was talking flirtatiously about Rob that night. According to Rob, when they got home that night and the next morning Pam was acting strange and said she didn't feel good so Rob went ahead and opened the video store. So if Pam was with Rob the evening prior and never went to the store at any point the next day of her disappearance, how the hell did she manage to steal the $60,000 from the safe?! That to me is the biggest indicator that the letter is complete BS and that Rob was the one who typed it up in an effort to say that Pam took off.
Todd Mueller 06-18-2019, 05:21 PM I do think it's possible that the cops "downgraded" him from suspect to person of interest because everywhere they looked (IIRC, they had ground penetrating sonar and searched Page's house) they couldn't come up with any physical evidence against Rob.
Those are all really good points, Cars. I agree with you that he may have been downgraded but again, why not say that? It's odd.
I also agree that Rob's version of what he said Pam did doesn't jive. Let's say it was real and that she ran off on him -- forging her name on the letter makes him look incredibly guilty even if no crime was committed. I think he thought he could sell this story and everyone would take it at face value but he really underestimated Pam's family.
Maybe the police decided there is no actual crime and only a possible one. If she did decide to leave on her own and not tell anyone, then I think it is considered an adult doing adult things until there is evidence of a crime (I'm not sure if this is 100% correct). It actually sounds a lot like the Dottie Caylor case. Both spouses claim their wives left, possibly to start a new life, but there is no actual evidence of them really doing it. And with no evidence of a crime in either case, they're kind of stuck.
Jack_Swift 08-28-2019, 12:50 PM Has anyone done a Google Map search of their Street /home? I found their street but no exact address. I was trying possibly retrace any steps froms the Psychics viewpoint like the streets and such.
I found a street named Coolidge and maybe an address of the Numbers the psychic mentioned
TheCars1986 08-28-2019, 02:20 PM Has anyone done a Google Map search of their Street /home? I found their street but no exact address. I was trying possibly retrace any steps froms the Psychics viewpoint like the streets and such.
I found a street named Coolidge and maybe an address of the Numbers the psychic mentioned
Their address was 6735 W. Shangri-La Road Peoria, AZ
Jack_Swift 08-28-2019, 08:58 PM Thank you
Jediknight1823 09-05-2019, 06:58 AM Seems weird to me that both the Farina episodes and the Stack episodes would feature this update about Rob no longer being a suspect. I've noticed that on certain segments (Deborah Poe for example), the Farina episodes had updates that are not featured on Prime. There has to be more substantial information that would lead police to believe Rob had nothing to do with her disappearance.
The FBI had somebody identified as the Crazy Glue Bandit, but before he could be arrested he died in a vehicle accident. There was an update saying the case is considered close due to that.
TheCars1986 09-05-2019, 08:40 AM The FBI had somebody identified as the Crazy Glue Bandit, but before he could be arrested he died in a vehicle accident. There was an update saying the case is considered close due to that.
Rob was still alive at the time of the airing of the Farina episode, and the update explicitly said that police no longer consider him a suspect.
Jack_Swift 12-31-2019, 01:57 PM https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/pam-page-a-forged-farewell
mwcarolina 05-24-2020, 06:17 PM Rob was still alive at the time of the airing of the Farina episode, and the update explicitly said that police no longer consider him a suspect.
On the UM website, it states that in July of 2017, Pam's family received a formal letter from the Maricopa County Attorney's office. The letter states that based on new interviews and investigation, if Robert Page was alive today, he would be charged with second-degree murder in Pam's case. Due to his death, the office considers the case closed.
XCalibur 05-24-2020, 06:48 PM On the UM website, it states that in July of 2017, Pam's family received a formal letter from the Maricopa County Attorney's office. The letter states that based on new interviews and investigation, if Robert Page was alive today, he would be charged with second-degree murder in Pam's case. Due to his death, the office considers the case closed.
Interesting. I also read somewhere that the psychic who supposedly saw the vision of Pam's murder did in fact believe Rob was the man who attacked Pam. They specifically said that it was interviews, making you wonder if the woman with Rob came forward. Hard to say, but I doubt they would have sent that letter if they didn't have something concrete.
Seems likely between this, the holes in his story about the day after her disappearance, and the rocky history of their marriage that he was involved.
mwcarolina 05-24-2020, 09:20 PM What always made me suspect Rob was the bizarre change in story. Made zero sense and made him look more guilty. There were conflicting reports on him being ruled out, but then I. 2017 they said that which leads me to believe a witness came forward
TheCars1986 05-26-2020, 08:11 AM On the UM website, it states that in July of 2017, Pam's family received a formal letter from the Maricopa County Attorney's office. The letter states that based on new interviews and investigation, if Robert Page was alive today, he would be charged with second-degree murder in Pam's case. Due to his death, the office considers the case closed.
That was per the UM wiki. UM's official website still has the bizarre line that the police no longer consider him a suspect and that they have "no idea" what happened to Pam.
A_Ghost_named_Samuel 05-26-2020, 01:56 PM Has anyone done a Google Map search of their Street /home? I found their street but no exact address. I was trying possibly retrace any steps froms the Psychics viewpoint like the streets and such.
I found a street named Coolidge and maybe an address of the Numbers the psychic mentioned
So have 241 West Coolidge Avenue in Coolidge AZ which is an hour and some change away from the Page home. 3 Blocks away from 241 West Coolidge is railroad tracks and a gray factory.
If I were the cold case detectives and with him being dead I'd entertain the psychics vision, what could it hurt?
mwcarolina 05-27-2020, 12:40 AM That was per the UM wiki. UM's official website still has the bizarre line that the police no longer consider him a suspect and that they have "no idea" what happened to Pam.
Yeah it is....I got a feeling though that UM wiki is being truthful here though.
TheCars1986 05-27-2020, 07:48 AM Yeah it is....I got a feeling though that UM wiki is being truthful here though.
I don't doubt the veracity of it, I just find it odd that UM didn't update their website version of this story. I know they have done that in the past with other segments when newer information came to light.
mwcarolina 06-06-2020, 10:59 PM I don't doubt the veracity of it, I just find it odd that UM didn't update their website version of this story. I know they have done that in the past with other segments when newer information came to light.
Yeah they should update it, I agree
Jack_Swift 07-18-2020, 06:41 PM About Pam Page and she responded
Any visions of a case you did on unsolved Mysteries involving Pam Page? Her Husband Died a few years ago and the police closed the case saying he was the main suspect If you don't want to answer it it is ok
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Carol Pate Psychic Center · 0:00 Her husband was the killer. I believe he moved her body to the property of a friend and that is why it wasn't found.
Latka Gravas 01-15-2021, 01:44 AM The Pam Page UM is especially creepy since they haven't ever found any trace of her whatsoever.
I definitely suspect her late husband RP as having had something to do with her disappearance (and, unfortunately, probably her death) due to the fact that he changed his story about what happened in the days leading up to her disappearance. If he had nothing to do with this, there is no reason why his story would have changed - or why he would have signed the bogus letter (that she allegedly wrote) with her name...while initially lying & saying that she had signed the letter.
TheCars1986 05-18-2022, 10:10 AM https://i.ibb.co/WWNyp4q/pampage.png
Thinking about this case again and the update above still annoys me. The family received a letter, shown here (https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/pam-page-a-forged-farewell) on crystaldawn's blog post, which essentially said that if Rob were still alive, they would have charged him with 2nd degree murder. The letter also mentions "recent witness statements" which makes me wonder if there was someone who came forward after Rob's death. Maybe someone he confessed to.
Hambone2421 05-24-2022, 03:18 PM https://i.ibb.co/WWNyp4q/pampage.png
Thinking about this case again and the update above still annoys me. The family received a letter, shown here (https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/pam-page-a-forged-farewell) on crystaldawn's blog post, which essentially said that if Rob were still alive, they would have charged him with 2nd degree murder. The letter also mentions "recent witness statements" which makes me wonder if there was someone who came forward after Rob's death. Maybe someone he confessed to.
Do we know why they ever originally said he was no longer a suspect?
TheCars1986 05-24-2022, 07:45 PM Do we know why they ever originally said he was no longer a suspect?
I have no idea. The only thing I can think of is to maybe have someone with information come forward to refute that he's no longer a suspect? Such a weird way to go about that though.
Hambone2421 05-25-2022, 08:28 AM I have no idea. The only thing I can think of is to maybe have someone with information come forward to refute that he's no longer a suspect? Such a weird way to go about that though.
I guess my thinking on that would be that if that were the case it seems like it would be something they could prove and thus release a bit more about why he is no longer a suspect. I'm not saying they have to say exactly why he isn't, but just saying he isn't considered a suspect any longer and then Pam's family receiving that letter......it doesn't make any sense.
Clockwork 01-01-2023, 09:55 PM I always immediately have my radar go off when some suspicious behaviour happens from a loved one of a missing person. When the spouse is acting strange it bothers me. Because if it was a legitimate intruder or whatever that may be, then you'd have a lot of concern about where she is. Instead of lying to the family, forging a letter and giving mixed statements.
The psychic is probably right about what happened. However, just like a lie detector test, a psychic's word is not admissible in court.
Rob did it, in my mind. Pam to this day is still missing, and that's too bad.
MediaHoarder 03-25-2024, 02:09 PM This is definitely an odd case on several levels. That said, I find the letter saying "if he was alive he would be charged" to be meaningless, as there are no constraints to hold them to being truthful or accurate in such a statement with him dead. Seems like they wanted to close the case and decided to pin it on a dead man who could not be prosecuted and could not answer the accusation anyway.
Clockwork 03-29-2024, 03:59 AM This is one of those cases where you figure the police would say "Okay, it was Rob, but we just couldn't get the goods on him while he was alive." This way it closes the case and sort of gets the cops off the hook, and very few people would be against Rob being guilty. He is one of the worst cases of an obvious murderer. There are other husbands considered nearly unanimously guilty such as Jule Caylor that I can at least say isn't in the 100% level of for sure guilty (maybe 98%) that isn't even as bad as Rob Page.
TheCars1986 04-08-2024, 11:35 AM I noticed something when rewatching this one over the weekend...near the beginning, Stack says that their marriage was good except for "one rocky patch" (or something to that effect) in 1987, and on one of the articles that they show there is a mention of Rob filing for divorce in 1987. Which made me think, if Rob was willing to divorce Pam, why would he kill her? I would love to know when they moved to Arizona and when they started the video rental business. Because if it was post 1987, the motive becomes much clearer.
mwcarolina 04-13-2024, 05:55 PM This case to me is solved in one way and unsolved in another. We know who did it, this is an obvious answer, it was obvious when he changed his story really because his story change made less sense than his first one!!! My guess is he killed her and hid the body. The unsolved part of the mystery is where is the body?? My guess is somewhere that Mr. Page knows. IF they ever find the body, my guess is they'll learn it was somewhere he's familiar with.
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