View Full Version : Has Disney Recast Kermit the Frog? Is This the End of the Muppets?


R.jsheedy
09-06-2009, 01:42 PM
Long time Muppet fans had a rude surprise on Wednesday night when Kermit the Frog and Miss Piggy performed a duet on America’s Got Talent.

As we all know, Kermit the Frog was created and performed by Muppet creator Jim Henson. Though Kermit began as an ensemble player in early Muppet projects, he soon became the puppet troupes’ lead character. When Henson died unexpectedly some 19 years ago, it was speculated that Kermit might not continue without him.

Happily, the role of Kermit was awarded to Steve Whitmire, a longtime Muppeteer who’d been performing alongside Henson for more than 10 years. His regular characters up until that point included Rizzo the Rat, Wembley Fraggle, and Bean Bunny.

Interestingly, prior to his death, Henson had been thinking about asking Whitmire to replace him as Kermit on occasions. In a 1999 interview with Muppet Central, Whitmire recalled, “I have been told that Jim had said something about it to Frank [Oz]. Not that I would perform Kermit when he died, but that he would need somebody else to do Kermit some of the time because he was so busy.”

Though it took Whitmire some time to get fully comfortable with the character, he has made Kermit his own. While the Muppet interviews and appearances are scripted, it’s not uncommon for the performers to have to make things up on the spot. That’s part of what makes the Muppets unique.

In an interview at the TV Land Awards, Whitmire commented, “If you play my voice next to Jim’s voice, they’re not the same. They’re very close, and the attitude is very close. And because I had the experience of working with Jim very closely, and knowing him, I think I gained some insight into where this character came from, from within Jim. So the number one goal in trying to continue a character like Kermit was making sure the character was the same and consistent, but didn’t become stale and just a copy. We wanted him to continue to be able to grow a bit, but also have this foundation of where Jim started… We’ve always been dubbed the ‘Muppet performers,’ and it involves acting and it involves the puppetry, and all those skills combined.”

In 2004, Disney bought the Muppet characters from the Henson company. While many fans were hopeful that the Muppets wouldn’t change, they couldn’t help but be nervous that the corporate and very cost-conscious “House of Mouse” would be making some changes — particularly when it came to the Muppet performers.

In an interview at the TV Land Awards, Whitmire commented, “If you play my voice next to Jim’s voice, they’re not the same. They’re very close, and the attitude is very close. And because I had the experience of working with Jim very closely, and knowing him, I think I gained some insight into where this character came from, from within Jim. So the number one goal in trying to continue a character like Kermit was making sure the character was the same and consistent, but didn’t become stale and just a copy. We wanted him to continue to be able to grow a bit, but also have this foundation of where Jim started… We’ve always been dubbed the ‘Muppet performers,’ and it involves acting and it involves the puppetry, and all those skills combined.”

In 2004, Disney bought the Muppet characters from the Henson company. While many fans were hopeful that the Muppets wouldn’t change, they couldn’t help but be nervous that the corporate and very cost-conscious “House of Mouse” would be making some changes — particularly when it came to the Muppet performers.


http://tvseriesfinale.com/articles/disney-recast-kermit-the-frog-end-of-muppets/

catlover79
09-06-2009, 02:07 PM
In my opinion, the end of the Muppets happened when Jim Henson died. Happily, the first 3 seasons of the Muppet Show are on DVD as are the movies. My 3-year-old nephew loves them almost as much as I do. :D

Retro4Life
09-06-2009, 02:16 PM
^
As much as I hate to say it, I agree. There are some characters and shows that really are so intertwined with their creators it's almost impossible for them to continue once the creator dies.

I think the Muppets might be one of those cases. I don't hate what's been done with them post-Henson, but honestly, it's not the same and to be fair, can't be. Henson was a truly unique person and his vision for the Muppets can't be duplicated. They were reflections of his character and soul; I'm afraid all we're left with is memories of his work and of course, the DVDs and tapes he's left behind.

catlover79
09-06-2009, 02:28 PM
^ You hit the nail right on the head. I liked Muppet Christmas Carol and Muppets In Space but the soul went out of the franchise with the passings of Jim Henson, Richard Hunt, and several other behind the scenes geniuses.

comedyfreak
09-06-2009, 02:46 PM
That's a darn shame and I say shame on Disney for being greedy and replacing the main voice actors just to save a buck, they should do the right thing and pull the plug before the characters are completely ruined.

catlover79
09-06-2009, 02:55 PM
That's a darn shame and I say shame on Disney for being greedy and replacing the main voice actors just to save a buck, they should do the right thing and pull the plug before the characters are completely ruined.
I'm sorry to say it, but I think that ship has already sailed. :mad:

Retro4Life
09-06-2009, 06:29 PM
Here's the first "post Sesame Street" original Muppets production I remember watching...I still have great memories of it. Monika, perhaps your nephew would enjoy it...though I'm not sure if it's on DVD or not yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nguB6wLxicU

catlover79
09-06-2009, 10:02 PM
Here's the first "post Sesame Street" original Muppets production I remember watching...I still have great memories of it. Monika, perhaps your nephew would enjoy it...though I'm not sure if it's on DVD or not yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nguB6wLxicU
Thanks!! :cool: :D

Marvo301
09-06-2009, 10:39 PM
When Jim Henson died we lost the rainbow connection!

catlover79
09-06-2009, 11:23 PM
When Jim Henson died we lost the rainbow connection!
So true!! :( I have the song on my iPod. Did you know The Carpenters did a version of it as well?

Marvo301
09-06-2009, 11:27 PM
So true!! :( I have the song on my iPod. Did you know The Carpenters did a version of it as well?
No I did not know that. But I like The Carpenters and I bet their version of the song sounds really good!

catlover79
09-06-2009, 11:35 PM
No I did not know that. But I like The Carpenters and I bet their version of the song sounds really good!
It does!! It's available on the Carpenters' compilation CDs Gold: 35th Anniversary and As Time Goes By, plus the track is also available on iTunes. It's awesome!! :D

Marvo301
09-06-2009, 11:42 PM
It does!! It's available on the Carpenters' compilation CDs Gold: 35th Anniversary and As Time Goes By, plus the track is also available on iTunes. It's awesome!! :D
Cool. Thanks for the info.!

catlover79
09-06-2009, 11:44 PM
Cool. Thanks for the info.!
Actually, I just emailed it to you. Enjoy!

Schmoopie
09-06-2009, 11:46 PM
There is no voice better for Kermit the Frog than Jim Henson!

catlover79
09-06-2009, 11:49 PM
There is no voice better for Kermit the Frog than Jim Henson!
:yeahthat

Marvo301
09-07-2009, 12:12 AM
Actually, I just emailed it to you. Enjoy!
Thank-you so much Monika! what a beautiful song. And what a beautiful voice Karen Carpenter had. And the two together...you know that its probably magic!

catlover79
09-07-2009, 12:28 AM
Thank-you so much Monika! what a beautiful song. And what a beautiful voice Karen Carpenter had. And the two together...you know that its probably magic!
No problem! I think Karen really did Jim Henson/Kermit justice in that song. It was recorded during the sessions for the 1981 album "Made in America" (the last official Carpenters record before Karen's passing) but it didn't make the cut. It was just released several years ago.

catlover79
09-07-2009, 07:43 PM
Speaking of the Muppets and the Carpenters:

Marvo301
09-07-2009, 08:06 PM
Speaking of the Muppets and the Carpenters:
Very cool pic!

catlover79
09-07-2009, 08:12 PM
Very cool pic!
Yes, it was on the Muppet Wikipedia. :cool:

Retro4Life
09-07-2009, 09:36 PM
I can't see a pic of Karen Carpenter without tearing up, just a little. But sometimes, that's OK.

catlover79
09-07-2009, 09:40 PM
I can't see a pic of Karen Carpenter without tearing up, just a little. But sometimes, that's OK.
Nothing wrong with that. We all miss Karen. :(

Retro4Life
09-07-2009, 09:52 PM
Nothing wrong with that. We all miss Karen. :(


:yeahthat :nod:

Marvo301
09-07-2009, 10:17 PM
Nothing wrong with that. We all miss Karen. :(
I agree.

catlover79
09-07-2009, 10:22 PM
I agree.
Yes, Karen Carpenter and Jim Henson are but two of the creative giants who left us way too soon. :( :rip:

Marvo301
09-07-2009, 10:28 PM
Yes, Karen Carpenter and Jim Henson are but two of the creative giants who left us way too soon. :( :rip:
Well said Monika.

Retro4Life
09-07-2009, 11:03 PM
Yes, Karen Carpenter and Jim Henson are but two of the creative giants who left us way too soon. :( :rip:


And part of a...gentleness and humanity that is SADLY lacking in pretty much anything I see on television (or in my daily life) today.

Indeed, they are missed. :(

And yet, I'm glad to revisit memories of them. It reminds me of how good people can be, and just maybe, could be again. :)

Marvo301
09-07-2009, 11:10 PM
And part of a...gentleness and humanity that is SADLY lacking in pretty much anything I see on television (or in my daily life) today.

Indeed, they are missed. :(

And yet, I'm glad to revisit memories of them. It reminds me of how good people can be, and just maybe, could be again. :)
What a nice way to think of Karen and Jim.

catlover79
09-07-2009, 11:16 PM
And part of a...gentleness and humanity that is SADLY lacking in pretty much anything I see on television (or in my daily life) today.

Indeed, they are missed. :(

And yet, I'm glad to revisit memories of them. It reminds me of how good people can be, and just maybe, could be again. :)
So, so true. :nod:

Retro4Life
09-07-2009, 11:26 PM
What a nice way to think of Karen and Jim.

Thanks, Marv. Glad to know the nostalgia kicks I sometimes go on don't seem "old fogie" or cynical. We all miss certain elements of our childhoods, and it's nice to be in company of those who understand. :)

catlover79
09-07-2009, 11:53 PM
Thanks, Marv. Glad to know the nostalgia kicks I sometimes go on don't seem "old fogie" or cynical. We all miss certain elements of our childhoods, and it's nice to be in company of those who understand. :)
I don't know of any other show that was so innocent and so violent at the same time. :lol: My little nephew is already a big Gonzo fan, and he makes me sing the theme song whenever we watch the DVDs together. :lol:

Retro4Life
09-08-2009, 12:02 AM
I don't know of any other show that was so innocent and so violent at the same time. :lol:

Yes, there was a definite innocence to Piggy's karate chops. :lol: But I know what you mean. :cool:

My little nephew is already a big Gonzo fan, and he makes me sing the theme song whenever we watch the DVDs together. :lol:

But can you do any of the voices? :):D

catlover79
09-08-2009, 12:07 AM
Yes, there was a definite innocence to Piggy's karate chops. :lol: But I know what you mean. :cool:



But can you do any of the voices? :):D
No, I'm not good at voices. :( :lol: Actually, I meant Crazy Harry always blowing things up, but I think Miss Piggy's karate chops definitely fall into the violent category. :rofl: