I'm going to start posting the Chronology here, with the "How Rude" site gone, not the fan fiction forum, because there are so many others in the general section. The gloitch was caused because saving as a text file was necessary to allow me to copy and paste endnotes (since I can't do footnotes in posts), and saving as that made some things incompatible with MS Word. Once I saved the text file back into a .doc file, the problem was solved.

Please, if you have any comments about the solutions to problems, or any extra stuff, post them in this thread, not in the other one. the other one should just be for the Chronology, and besides, comments would get lost, anyway.

This Chronology is the culmination of 4-6 years of discussion and of comments about different episodes and also the so-called inconsistencies that needed explained.

It's a whole lot of fun, and was a whole lot of fun to do, The characters come alive as they explain things that went on in their own words, and at many times, tell a story, too. Even Pam tells some parts, till her tragic death. If you love the characters, you'll love this, I hope.

it won't all go up at once. But, you will get to see it here, because the "How Rude" website is no longer extant.

Thanks to all for contributing - yes, I even mentioned the difference in Kimmy's dogs, which someone on here mentioned, though nobody had noticed it before, probably because it's so normal for dogs to die and people to get new ones. I slipped it in at the very end here.

Happy reading. E-mail fullhousechron (at) aol.com for the full, 521-page thing, with all the characters telling their own story. nc ase you'd like a copy for yourself.

Okay, so tabs don't work, either - and neither does spacing distances between paragraphs. Unless there's a line break it doens't record it right.

At least it records line breaks - but wait, I thought it did record them in the fanfiction site. Oh, wait, maybe I just use line breaks there, like in fanfiction.net stories.

Well, please bear with me, as you see by the latest post, it does get better, because comments go back and forth from others. And, you can at least spot the endnotes pretty well. Although, it's not as good as I'd hoped it would be.:(

Oh, well, I'll just post larger chucks now for a few minutes, and then do the rest at some other time.

After a few more posts, we'll have plenty more to do post-series. What happened to each of them, and how did things turn out? And, of course, after the end of that, back to 1984 to start the Book Unvierse section.

Speaking of books, the ones that seem more clearly to be TV Unvierse ones - like the one I mentioned ina recent one where the book had the look and feel of Steph and Gia, not Steph and Allie - I still wonder if the plot is just greatly expanded from something that would have been a storyline in a 9th season. Even if nothing could have been filmed or even written yet, I think there had to be at least a few little ideas. I've only referred to a few in my fanfiction.net stories. I guess with that. However, just referring to them is enough - there's still about 10 "episodes" that are undone, counting the ones I've posted and a couple other ideas I have in mind. So, they can go there easily.

I'm glad you've made this comment thread because I didn't want to interrupt your "flow" on the other Chronology thread. I'm a little confused as to what this all is, even after reading your description. Is this like a fan fiction you've made up? I'm amazed at how thorough it is and how very LONG it is as well. That's not a complaint by any means, just an observation.

Have any of you read the entire thing? I tend to get dizzy reading lengthy stuff online, but my printer is out of toner right now, or I'd print it up.

DTF955, where did you find or come up with all this stuff? I'm really impressed with how much you've done already and I was surprised to find that you are at 255 posts! I was thinking your post count would have been a lot higher!

So please, enlighten me about your sources. Full House is one of my all-time favorites, so I'm interested in hearing about your findings.

Andrea

I'm glad you've made this comment thread because I didn't want to interrupt your "flow" on the other Chronology thread. I'm a little confused as to what this all is, even after reading your description. Is this like a fan fiction you've made up? I'm amazed at how thorough it is and how very LONG it is as well. That's not a complaint by any means, just an observation.

Have any of you read the entire thing? I tend to get dizzy reading lengthy stuff online, but my printer is out of toner right now, or I'd print it up.

DTF955, where did you find or come up with all this stuff? I'm really impressed with how much you've done already and I was surprised to find that you are at 255 posts! I was thinking your post count would have been a lot higher!

So please, enlighten me about your sources. Full House is one of my all-time favorites, so I'm interested in hearing about your findings.

Andrea

yes, it's a unique type of fan fiction. In case you hadn't noticed other threads, I'll get into a little of what they say, so I'm sorry if any of this is repetivie:

A number of years ago, in the early 2000s, over on a few Yahoo groups there were discussions about some of the inconsistencies, Jesse's graduation being the main one, but a number of other things, too. the conversations generally ended with someone saying, "There should be something put out with the (then yet to be made) DVDs that explains all ofthis." Where did that boat come from, for instance, how did Michelle and Denise meet, that sort of thing.

Well, I've never been one to just talk about stuff. I was already deep into FH at the time - remember, I'm an attorney, so figuring things out came naturally to me. It was sort of easy to use that to try to craft a way that - for instance - jesse could have dropped out, yet said the things he did within episodes. I didn't have to write them down, because my brain had sort of, well, recorded them. (It may be a bit of Asperger's Syndrome.)

So, I called Warner Brothers, at a time when I was also trying to see if I could do some writing in my spare time. I already written two fictional Print On Demand books, inf act. i told them about this idea, but nobody ever contacted me about WB doing it. Personally, I think they themselves thought the idea was too daunting. :lol: They said they didn't want any independent writers using their characters; they had in staff people who wrote the Full House books, so writing any FH books was out. However, they said they never minded fan fiction.

Okay, sorry for that long opening, but thigns are sometimes a lot more complex than we like (which means how in the world to people ever Twitter and get their point across? :) ) Anyway...

The sources were people watching the show. I picked up a few myself even *before* the DVDs came out, like that book on Stephanie's bookshelf in "Crushed, "Self Esteem: A Classroom Affair." I foudn that, and RKORadio's notion of the Principal's Assistant position, which he'd had for his Sam Series (you'll see about that in the Book Universe part) came to me. that, and a few other things I've mentioned, sort of came into place like a jigsaw puzzle.

That's the way it was for a lot of it. Just people watching, and reading the books, and saying, "Okay, how could this have happened? Why is this here?"

Now, you'll notice that there are endnotes where it says "most fans feel," etc.. Okay, that came due to polling on various yahoo groups.

here's how that worked. I'd started these in 2003, though some turned out not to work as well. I'd ask as question, and invite people to respond. For instance, I might ask, "In (episode) it's mentioned that Michelle learned "Gumby isn't microwave safe." how do you suppose she learned this?" the answers might include a friend nuking their, her doing it herslef but at different ages, and so on. Most people voted that she did do at age 5, near the time of "The Devil Made Me Do It," as you've seen.

Other questions might draw a much more diverse series of votes. Danny's mom, for instance. I polled about the numerous discrepancies in whether a husband was living or not in the first episode, and offered several ideas. There wasn't the consensus there was with other things, but there was a majority. Majority ruled, but other options are mentioned. As you can see with a very early footnotes, there was one time - Nick and Irene meeting after Pam would have been born - that only had a plurality, and was so close an entire "minority opinion" was written by another fan and sent to me. (In fact, I had actually written it the way they had it, that Irene had Pam out of wedlock, and changed it.)

How many voted? Usually 8-10 diehard fans. Sometimes a few more, sometimes less. The boards at tv.com were used, too. Not as many people voted here, the few times I polled here, so I didn't use it as much (hence my post count is lwoer here.)

I forget the name of the fan who wrot t he "minority opinion" piece for the one endnote. Joe Menninger and Paul (RKORadio on fanfiction.net) helped the most otherwise, with maybe half a dozen toher fans also participating. Paul and I had quite a few discussions about how things would have gone logically as it was being produced.

So, as I say, is it canon? That "jigsaw puzzle" can only fit one way at times, so if this were a real family, of course that's the way it went. It may not be the way the writers intended for certain - I may give them a bit too much credit - but I think in many cases, they at least had to say, "Well, this would make sense this way," at least.

For isntance, the informationa bout melina. OSmething *had* to happen that allowed her to not be really clingy when she was away from her parents. In fact, I have speculated elsewhere that I think the writers of "Greek Week" did it intentionally. I truly believe they expected the Olsen twins to be split up after another couple years, and they were trying to plan ahead, saying, "Here is a good excuse for them to still both be on "Full House." Except, of course, they didn't, so some imagination was used.

This doesn't mean that Dmitri married a nurse who was caring for Gina, of course. But, if you continue the jigsaw puzzle analoggy, something happened that caused Melina to be able to come, and caused Dmitri to name Jesse as godfather. That connects those pieces. That's the shape of the pieces in the jigsaw puzzle. The picture of Dmitri marrying that nurse who cared for Gina, with Gina dead by the time of "The Last Dance"? Well, that's the picture on the front of the jigsaw puzle. A picture of warmth, love, and a good, wholesome ending that typifies "FUll House."

That's the fan fiction part. The part that's not footnoted.

The footnotes/endones are the differently shaped pieces of the jigsaw puzzle. They say "something had to have happened," and that it either had to have been this way, or fan consensus was that it was this way. The stuff that's not footnoted, that's the picture that's created when the whole jigsaw puzzle is put together. Sometimes the diference betweent he pieces and the picture on the frontblurs a bit. But, that's the general formula.

You'll see, too, that there are, one might saw, smaller and biggere puzzles within the whole thing. You'll see how well the book and TV universe fit together, for instance. (Well, you already have a bit, with Allie being mentioned. Again, it doens't mean Allie had to be the maid of honor in Steph's play wedding. It just means that is the most likely scenario. And, I guess, that's a good example of where the shape of the pieces,a nd the picture on front, blurs a bit.)

A couple things to add:

First, RKORadio's Sam Series can be foudn here: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/324354/rkoradio I've helped him with his writing quite a bit.

Second, the "picture on the front" did get polling questions, too, on yahoo groups. I'd say the split in polls between how the puzle pieces fit (like how Nick and Irene met a year after Pam would have been born, when Elvis was drafted), and the "picture on the front"/fanfiction part (like D.J.'s/Danny's reaction to Michelle gobbling those samples) was probably about even overall in the TV Universe. Books didn't requre near as many polls, because they can go more in depth. And, of course, there were things the didn't need polled in the "pieces fitting together" part, and in the fan fiction (picture ont he front) part.

One other note. Paul is an avid alternate history fan, as am I. I don't know if you've ever heard that term, butit's a brance where one discusses the ifs of history, and the things that can result from different changes. that will become *very* important when you start to read the Book Universe. A few things were polled - you'll note a fairly long note on the girls' sleeping arrangments with that office always int he 4th bedroom - but most were just determined by figuring, logically, what would result.

This also helped with respect to discussing the TV timeline, too, trying to delve into the intricacies of things, like how the writers of the Disneyworld episode, which was said to be a Sunday, could possibly have Jesse and Joey doing their show!

Also, the idea of the ifs of history and examining them helped int he TVU with regard to just how things would be effected. Since the universes are almost the same, there *was* an Allie Taylor. What happened to her? The answer seemed fairly logical. The Point of Departure wouldnt' be before Kindergarten, and it was more likely she would be there more than 1-2 years.

BTW, don't think the book writers didn't mess up a bit, too. You'll see that some books are said to be not canon, one said to be a dream, and one *very* peculiar mistake (that had me thinking it couldn't be in-house writers, though WB said it was) in a few Stephanie books, calling Nicky and Alex her nephews and having them call her Aunt Stephanie! (I had to get real creative on the "front of the jigsaw puzzle" to explaoin that one - but I think it works. The paragrph or two int he Chronology about that is expanded in a story here if you want to read head of time: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4225709/1/Cousin_Aunt_Stephanie

A lot of the post-Series stuff, and post-books, if pretty clearly fan fiction - the "picture ont he front." And, a lot post-final book. The Sam Series was included because it is a great series that my friend wrote, but also, it seemed to explain a few things in books, as you'll see. Most of the time, stories in fan fiction were taken from (or changed to fit) how the Chronology was seen to go. A couple times - the Sam Series, my story "Quite a Catch," with Steph playing baseball again, and the one where Steph finds D.J. a boyfriend in the Book Unvierse - it was the other way around.

The TV part is comlete, witht he Book Universe coming up.

It's not as long, about half the size or a little more. Since there isn't the need to search around episodes, I made a few posts a bit longer int he post-series TV Universe. It'll help for the books, where there is a fair amount more dialogue, though not gobs of it.

Also, regarding sources, I forgot to mention that we asked actual doctors for a few things - the amnesia, and Michelle's development, plus Sam's. Initially, the amnesia part was because I wanted to write the finale as a very expanded book, but again, as noted, WB said "no." That was good, as it's been modified and made TVU now, as it should have been, because we figured witht he Chronology and the butterflies* the horse jumping contest would be different in the Book Universe, as you'll see.


*Butterflies are an alternate history term relating to the difference between what happened and what would have happened. The term comes from a story where someone goes back in time 10,000 years, accidentally kills a butterfly, and an person who was losing an election is now winning.
However, most people feel that just because one little thign happens, the world won't be changed. Most feel changes must be very plausible. They can lead to other changes, such as Michelle having a summer birthday in books. However, they feel changes aren't that huge.
This is the route taken in the Chronology. Changes *must* be due to either the actual change (the office int he 4th bedroom), or the changes that come becuase of it.
That means there will be ripple effects - most episodes are the same in season 1, and the number gets smaller and smaller. However, the ripples aren't *that* huge. Just becasue there was an office int he 4th bedroom doen't mean Stephanie would be in a different class a few years later, with Allie in it. It *can* mean differences for Michelle, but only because of that different birthday.

I'm now posting fromt he time period where a good number of books start to take place; including the tings which are better explained by the Sam Series being canon, as noted at the start of page 11, among others. I'm trying to space it so page 12 begins the year when the majority of Full House books take place. I don't know if I'll get it down to page 11 of the posts ending with the Book Universe versin of Michelle's accidentbut it'll be close.

Anyway, I'm noticing some serendipity here, too. In other words, in doing this, something else has been learned as well. It's possible to have other things take place at times we don't see, even in *books*. Obviously, we see more than 1/4 of 1% of their lives covered in a book, but there's still room.

And there it is - or will be once the final post is mae from 2015. I hope it's been as much fun for you s it was to compile it with others. Feel free to print it out and copy it. I might have a few more fanfics - under the screen name "Me," as in the few I posted above (Paul's Sam Series and a few others he has posted as RKORadio, with his Jodie Sweetin as Stephanie one available on this site's fan fiction board) - but otherwise I'm pretty much done with it, as I have my degree in another field now. Anyway, thanks to all for reading.