I noticed over at Imdb that the schedule for "Bewitched" goes from the final episode of season eight back to the first episode of season three. Why are channels so against showing the black and white episodes? Apparently for years, they only showed the color episodes. Thank goodness Nick at Nite had the sense and good judgment to air the original black and white episodes. And since the other channels aired just the color ones, it was nice that they aired only the black and white ones. It kept it even.

Airing just the color episodes means:
No Alice Pearce as Gladys Kravitz
No Irene Vernon as Louise Tate
Dick York and Dick Sargent have the same amount of seasons, with York appearing in less episodes since he was absent for some of five.
None of the early classics. It seems like most of my favorites come from seasons one and two.

I believe TV Land is the only channel to air all eight seasons. I know Nick at Nite had the dueling Darrins marathon where they finally included the color episodes. But I think (and I could be wrong) that once they started airing the color ones, they only aired the color ones.

Hallmark/Odyssey showed the first 2 seasons, colorized.

Hallmark/Odyssey showed the first 2 seasons, colorized.



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I noticed over at Imdb that the schedule for "Bewitched" goes from the final episode of season eight back to the first episode of season three. Why are channels so against showing the black and white episodes? Apparently for years, they only showed the color episodes. Thank goodness Nick at Nite had the sense and good judgment to air the original black and white episodes. And since the other channels aired just the color ones, it was nice that they aired only the black and white ones. It kept it even.

Airing just the color episodes means:
No Alice Pearce as Gladys Kravitz
No Irene Vernon as Louise Tate
Dick York and Dick Sargent have the same amount of seasons, with York appearing in less episodes since he was absent for some of five.
None of the early classics. It seems like most of my favorites come from seasons one and two.

I believe TV Land is the only channel to air all eight seasons. I know Nick at Nite had the dueling Darrins marathon where they finally included the color episodes. But I think (and I could be wrong) that once they started airing the color ones, they only aired the color ones.



If WGN isnt willing to show the black and white episodes I say screw them.


Also back in the early 90's when Nick at Nite first showed the first two seasons in black and white was the first time I ever saw those. Prior to that I always thought Bewitched was in color. That was also the time I noticed Elizabeth Montgomery as a woman, but thats a topic for another thread. :happyface

Well, colorized or not, Odyssey/Hallmark did show the whole series. I don't remember if they colorized the first season of Jeannie.

Is WGN airing the first season of Jeannie? This is odd, as they show the B&W Hillbillies episodes.

I must say that until Nick @ Nite began airing only the black & white shows, making a big deal about the fact they were "back", I had no clue that they had ever been dropped from Bewitched's syndicated package. Be assured that they most certainly were *dropped* at some point as I can remember watching black & white episodes of Bewitched on WGN wayyyyyyy back in the 70s. I had read about "the late Alice Pearce" in a TV reference book and it was on channel 9 that I first saw Bewitched episodes featuring her as Gladys. For a while one of our local stations also carried Bewitched complete with black & white eps. These recollections are all prior to 1980 so unfortunately I can't begin to pin down exactly when the decision was made to only distribute the color eps.

But what a stupid move!

Again, my Bewitched rerun experience--from a time within a decade after it ceased production--was that all episodes were in rotation. Hey--maybe they were deleted so that season 8 wouldn't look as stale! :crazy:

It was the same with My Three Sons. I never saw the William Frawley episodes until Nick-at-Nite showed them.

On the subject of My Three Sons, the Frawley episodes were shown on TV Land in the late 90s or early 2000s...Odyssey/Hallmark, however (who showed BW/IDOJ) only aired the color ones.

Well, colorized or not, Odyssey/Hallmark did show the whole series. I don't remember if they colorized the first season of Jeannie.

Is WGN airing the first season of Jeannie? This is odd, as they show the B&W Hillbillies episodes.
Yea the first season of Jeannie was colorized too.

On the subject of My Three Sons, the Frawley episodes were shown on TV Land in the late 90s or early 2000s...Odyssey/Hallmark, however (who showed BW/IDOJ) only aired the color ones.

I grew up with the black and white episodes of MTS from Nick at Nite. I can understand why they split this show in half because it's 12 seasons, 380 episodes. And since there is a definite point which they can divide it in two, it makes it easier to accept. Even though I would prefer having the whole show in syndication. But with Bewitched I find it ridiculous and outrageous that they don't show the first two seasons (as often).

I don't know why the first two seasons are so hard to find on TV. I do know that the last time one of the local stations here in Cleveland showed it (in 2004), they ran Seasons 1-4, then jumped to Season 7. :confused:

If I ever become a multi millionaire I am buying the rights to all of these 50's and 60's show. Start my own TV station and show all the shows from season to season in proper order. Then I'll put them all out on DVD.

^ Hey, I'd watch it. :cool:

^ Hey, I'd watch it. :cool:


Whenever I get around to it I will make my own network over on the Create your own Network over on the General Sitcoms thread.

Stalest of the stale:

MCMLXVI


...although not all that rarely there would be original black and white openings shown, at least one ran all he way to the point of Sam and Darren on the broomstick together before it cut out. Only saw what that was about many years later.

Makes me glad I don't have WGN America!

When Prime was still in existance in Canada (before it became TVTropolis), they aired all of the episodes. The first two seasons were the colorized versions (better than not airing them at all). I Dream Of Jeannie and Gilligan's Island, their first seasons were aired on Prime as the colorized versions. Deja View airs these shows now in Canada.

My favorite seasons will always be the first two - there was much more romance there. :love:

And much more sophistication in the scripts.......Endora and Darrin also seemed to have a growing tolerance of one another, that for some reason, once the color episodes started seemed to disappear and it became a weekly Darrin vs. Endora screamfest.

^ Agreed. The first season is also notable because Danny Arnold was the headwriter. He downplayed the magic (only using it at the last second) and making it much more of a romantic comedy. He did it extremely well, I might add. It's a testament to his talent as a writer that he could go from a fantasy romantic comedy to create a gritty police comedy like Barney Miller and do a terrific job at both. They are my two all-time favorite shows. Coincidence?? :cool:

I like the whole show but the first two seasons are my favorites because of the reasons mentioned above and thats when I first really noticed Liz as I mentioned before, and because it looks great in black and white. Watching this and other old shows on Nick at Nite were one of the few happy moments of my teenage years and helped get me through high school in a strage way.

For some reason, the earlier seasons seem a lot less dated than the later ones (at least, to me). But then again, a lot of the issues were/are timeless - jealousy over old flames, meeting the in-laws, trying to build a career despite such a dopey, wishy-washy boss (Darrin), making a marriage work when the man and woman came from completely different worlds but were completely perfect for each other, etc. I think that's why so many people can relate to it today, 40+ years later.

Like Mickey, I discovered the reruns again as an adult (in 2003) at a very unhappy point in my life. Seeing them every morning before I went to work (and recording them - this was before the DVDs came out) somehow cheered me up and made me believe things would get better in time.

for me, BW has always been a part of me...from the primetime viewings of the DS era (so yes, I saw some of those openings firsthand) to the daytime ABC reruns to my local CBS rerunning it........then by the early 80s it disappeared, then reappeared on my Fox station, then later when I got cable and Nick at nite to rediscover the black and white episodes :)

I did some Checking and e-mailed WGN and WGN Replyed at 9:03 pm CT Time and here is what they Said



Aaron


Unfortunately, We Don't have the right to them at this time. Your Comments will be forward to our Management.


Thanks for Writeing

George

I did some Checking and e-mailed WGN and WGN Replyed at 9:03 pm CT Time and here is what they Said



Aaron


Unfortunately, We Don't have the right to them at this time. Your Comments will be forward to our Management.


Thanks for Writeing

George
Well, you tried! Thanks for sharing, Aaron. :D

you are very welcome Catlover79 may befor WGN's Contract with Bewitched expires Maybe WGN will show the Black and White episodes.

you are very welcome Catlover79 may befor WGN's Contract with Bewitched expires Maybe WGN will show the Black and White episodes.
At least they are available on DVD!! :D

^

Thats a good thing for sure.

hulu.com has the black and white eps. If you have a computer hocked up to a tv you can watch them that way

hulu.com has the black and white eps. If you have a computer hocked up to a tv you can watch them that way
I think they are on imdb.com as well.

If WGN doesn't have the rights, it means Sony is still syndicating them as two separate packages...........so stupid!!!!!

Well situations like this make me enjoy my dvd's that much more! The first 2 seasons were the most enjoyable because some episodes I saw for the first time, or only once on N@N.

If WGN doesn't have the rights, it means Sony is still syndicating them as two separate packages...........so stupid!!!!!
EXACTLY!! :clap

Well situations like this make me enjoy my dvd's that much more! The first 2 seasons were the most enjoyable because some episodes I saw for the first time, or only once on N@N.
Some of the series' best moments came from the first two seasons - and most romantic. I still cry at "A is For Aardvark" and giggle helplessly at "A Very Special Delivery" - and enjoy every second of them!!! :D

In my case, My Network TV locally was airing all of the seasons, up to about a year ago at least. If anything, the first two seasons had more airplay -- sometimes my local station was airing back-to-back episodes in a 1-hour block. Unfortunately they've dropped Bewitched altogether now (along with Petticoat Junction, Batman, My Favorite Martian, The Munsters, 77 Sunset Strip, etc.).

I've had the ability to catch WGN-9 over the air with an antenna literally for more than 3 decades, and I've watched Bewitched many, many times that way (though not recently). Over all those years though, I don't think I've ever seen them air episodes from the first two seasons -- I guess due to there being a separate syndication package.

I'm still confused as to why Sony has Bewitched in two separate syndication packages. :confused: Anyone here know why?

I'm still confused as to why Sony has Bewitched in two separate syndication packages. :confused: Anyone here know why?




If I were to guess I would say copyright issues.

I'm still confused as to why Sony has Bewitched in two separate syndication packages. :confused: Anyone here know why?
I would say it has nothing to do with copyright issues and that it is not a two tier syndication package.

Most likely WGN just is not willing to pay the amount needed for all 8 seasons & choose to just do the 6 color seasons.

Ever since N@N got the rights to all 8 seasons not just the B/W seasons circa 1998 or so, all 8 seasons have been sold in one grand package to the highest bidder, that is how N@N, Hallmark & TV Land showed them & i am sure it would be available to WGN likewise if they were not so cheap.

I know of other stations such as Prime in Canada that when they carried Bewitched they were able to pick & choose alacart which seasons they carried.

Larry Tate :)

If I were to guess I would say copyright issues.
This further illustrates the beauty of the DVD sets as one can put together ones own programing schedule at ones own whim & not have to depend on the flights of fancy that the programers at stations may choose to go on.

Larry Tate :)

Their not including the first two seasons is especially egregious on their part as these two seasons were magnificent in their Brilliance & one could easily argue that it was the highest point that Bewitched reached.

This was all the more impressive as Bewitched was a 10 already right out of the box with their first scene of the first episode, while many other shows such as the Mary Tyler Moore Show & All in the Family took a good year to hit their stride, Bewitched came out the chute running.

Larry Tate :)

This further illustrates the beauty of the DVD sets as one can put together ones own programing schedule at ones own whim & not have to depend on the flights of fancy that the programers at stations may choose to go on.

Larry Tate :)
So true. :D

you know come to think of it when WVUE aired Bewitched I think they only aired The Color Episodes

for me, BW has always been a part of me...from the primetime viewings of the DS era (so yes, I saw some of those openings firsthand) to the daytime ABC reruns to my local CBS rerunning it........then by the early 80s it disappeared, then reappeared on my Fox station, then later when I got cable and Nick at nite to rediscover the black and white episodes :)


It's always been my favorite show. I discovered it at the age of 5 - CFTO in Toronto aired repeats weeknights at 6 - this would have been fall 1968 - then CKCO Kitchener aired it at 6:30 - so a whole hour of the show while eating supper (used to drive my parents crazy!)

I continued watching the reruns when they switched to CHCH Hamilton in '73 and then WUTV Buffalo in '76. Couldn't watch much of the daytime ABC run because of school.

The black and white episodes were always part of the rotation on the stations I watched it on - until the late '70s. I think they were pulled out around that time. Bewitched disappeared from my area for a few years in the early '80s, but in 1985 when a new package of reruns started. These were the ones that were re-edited with the 5th season opening theme music (my favorite of all the versions of the theme). In the '90s I caught it on WGN, TBS, Hallmark, and the Screen Gems network. It really bugged me that they all used the first season opening music rather than the correct ones, which were at least on some prints of the reruns until the late '70s.

About 10 years ago I started tape trading (now DVD trading) and was lucky enough to score some episodes with original commercials and sponsored openings...I love watching those. Got some from each season - but would love to get more!:)

It's always been my favorite show. I discovered it at the age of 5 - CFTO in Toronto aired repeats weeknights at 6 - this would have been fall 1968 - then CKCO Kitchener aired it at 6:30 - so a whole hour of the show while eating supper (used to drive my parents crazy!)

I continued watching the reruns when they switched to CHCH Hamilton in '73 and then WUTV Buffalo in '76. Couldn't watch much of the daytime ABC run because of school.

The black and white episodes were always part of the rotation on the stations I watched it on - until the late '70s. I think they were pulled out around that time. Bewitched disappeared from my area for a few years in the early '80s, but in 1985 when a new package of reruns started. These were the ones that were re-edited with the 5th season opening theme music (my favorite of all the versions of the theme). In the '90s I caught it on WGN, TBS, Hallmark, and the Screen Gems network. It really bugged me that they all used the first season opening music rather than the correct ones, which were at least on some prints of the reruns until the late '70s.

About 10 years ago I started tape trading (now DVD trading) and was lucky enough to score some episodes with original commercials and sponsored openings...I love watching those. Got some from each season - but would love to get more!:)
Bewitched is one show that I'm disappointed in as far as extras, or lack of. I appriciated the featurettes in seasons 1 and 2 releases, but there could be so much more. Why couldn't they include the sponsor openings and cast commercials. I think there could be so much more.

Torcan, I too am from Southern Ont. and remember first seeing the show in Fall 1975 on CHCH. It was the later Season 5 episodes. I remember being jarred when the first Season 6 ep aired and the theme music changed.

Soon after Adam was born, I believe it was yanked from the schedule and replaced with Party Game or something like that. I think that's the reason why I am most fond of Season 5.

After that, CHCH used it only as filler and ran it late on Saturday or Sunday afternoons before news, etc. I do remember them once or twice playing the original 3rd or 4th season intro. I know it wasn't Season 5's because the twitch wasn't the one from the show and those embellishments were all present when the title dissolved and the frying pan smoked etc.

Do you remember when CKCO Channel 13 played the original Season 2 intros for every episode. It was either December 1976 or 1977. I know for sure it was around Xmas time. I wanted to use my father's tape recorder but it was broken at that time. Of course, I never heard those again. I seem to recall it may have been Season 3 they were running, but with the Season 2 opening for every episode. I didn't see this intro again until 1995 when I bought a VHS tape containing classic TV intros and commercials.

One of my all-time favorite episodes of Bewitched aired in Season 2 - "Speak the Truth". That's where Endora twitches a little figurine to have the ability to make whoever comes within a few feet of it to say EXACTLY what is on his/her mind. :eek: :lol: I watched it once with a bunch of friends and we were all in hysterics. One of the many gems from the first two seasons!! :D

^I believe that episode was the first appearance (by any actress) of the witch Hagatha.

^I believe that episode was the first appearance (by any actress) of the witch Hagatha.
I think so, too.

What's WGN?

What's WGN?



TV station based out of Chicago, Illinois. Been around for years and for the longest time was a local station, but their signal had a lot of watts and people with antanns (or however you spell it), could pick up WGN. Even before we got cable I remember as a little kid watching WGN. They were the first station that I remember that was 24 hours. Of course when cable took off several companies offered WGN. You can get this channel if you have a satellite too.

Torcan, I too am from Southern Ont. and remember first seeing the show in Fall 1975 on CHCH. It was the later Season 5 episodes. I remember being jarred when the first Season 6 ep aired and the theme music changed.

After that, CHCH used it only as filler and ran it late on Saturday or Sunday afternoons before news, etc. I do remember them once or twice playing the original 3rd or 4th season intro. I know it wasn't Season 5's because the twitch wasn't the one from the show and those embellishments were all present when the title dissolved and the frying pan smoked etc.

Do you remember when CKCO Channel 13 played the original Season 2 intros for every episode. It was either December 1976 or 1977. I know for sure it was around Xmas time. I wanted to use my father's tape recorder but it was broken at that time. Of course, I never heard those again. I seem to recall it may have been Season 3 they were running, but with the Season 2 opening for every episode. I didn't see this intro again until 1995 when I bought a VHS tape containing classic TV intros and commercials.


CHCH also aired it weekdays at 5:30 PM for the '77-78 season, and sometimes showed different verisons of the opening titles during that run. Back in the '70s, different stations had different prints. WHEC Rochester played different opening titles than WUTV Buffalo. Most of Rochester's openings were from season 5, where most of Buffalo's were the standard color syndication opening.

Re. CKCO, according to old TVGuides I have, they aired it weekdays at 4 PM during the '76-77 season - seasons 3-8. Unfortunatly us in Toronto didn't get the station then. I wasn't aware they aired different opening titles - but now I wish I'd seen it! I had access to my dad's tape recorder back then and made some tapes from Ch. 11 (CHCH).

There are a couple of color episodes that aired in primetime with the season 2 opening music - the first two episodes from season 3. They changed the theme to the more familiar one starting with the third episode from that season. Why - who knows? So there are some color prints that carry the season 2 opening music. Looks like they got edited onto some of the syndication prints in the '70s. I'd love to get copies of those first two original color episodes!


Speaking of those different openings - does anybody out there have them? I've got lots to trade (over 2500 episodes of class TV and game shows).

It doesn't matter to me in the slightest. I hace collected the DVDs of the Seasons up to Season 7 and will most definitely get the Season 8 DVD, so I was fortunate to get the B&W episodes on DVD even if they do have the 1966 (MCMLXVI) opening instead of the original 1964 opening.

It doesn't matter to me in the slightest. I hace collected the DVDs of the Seasons up to Season 7 and will most definitely get the Season 8 DVD, so I was fortunate to get the B&W episodes on DVD even if they do have the 1966 (MCMLXVI) opening instead of the original 1964 opening.
I know! Doesn't everybody own the first 2 seasons of Bewitched on dvd? Thats what makes dvd sets so enjoyable, having stuff you never or rarely see in syndication.

This is news to me: the B&W seasons on dvd do not have the original openings? Now that does disappoint me! What was different about the original opening in season 1-2?

Answered my own question. I just checked out Bewitched season 1 intro on Youtube. What was different about it was they had "Chevrolet Presents..." at the beginning and then Samantha's broomstick becomes the Chevrolet logo. Now, if they weren't able to use this, couldn't it have been shown as an extra, like I Love Lucy did with their sponser intros, on their dvd release?

Answered my own question. I just checked out Bewitched season 1 intro on Youtube. What was different about it was they had "Chevrolet Presents..." at the beginning and then Samantha's broomstick becomes the Chevrolet logo. Now, if they weren't able to use this, couldn't it have been shown as an extra, like I Love Lucy did with their sponser intros, on their dvd release?
It sure would've been nice...:(

Seasons 1 and 2 have a slightly different looking kitchen with cabinets and a door in the opening, as well as the Samantha cat being white and not the black cat used in seasons 3 onward.

As well the music & sound effects were different in the original season one animated opening, with the music being at a much slower pace then later in Season 3 for example, and there being fewer chimes in the sound effects.

Larry Tate :)

The DVDs are most disappointing. Most of us have episodes with original openings and cast commercials in our collections...so they still exist! I don't know why Sony couldn't have included some on the DVDs. They even included Elizabeth's special opening for the 7th season Christmas episode which directly mentions Oscar Mayer - but did they include the Oscar Mayer sponsored opening credits for that episode - no. Doesn't make much sense.

When you look at what's available on other discs - such as Beverly Hillbillies, Honeymooners or some of the Lucy shows, they all include original openings and other interesting features - so I don't think Sony can say it's "legal issues" (which is what I heard somewhere else) when a lot of other companies can do it.

If it's money they're worried about, isn't Sony one of the richest companies in the world?

The DVDs are most disappointing. Most of us have episodes with original openings and cast commercials in our collections...so they still exist! I don't know why Sony couldn't have included some on the DVDs. They even included Elizabeth's special opening for the 7th season Christmas episode which directly mentions Oscar Mayer - but did they include the Oscar Mayer sponsored opening credits for that episode - no. Doesn't make much sense.

When you look at what's available on other discs - such as Beverly Hillbillies, Honeymooners or some of the Lucy shows, they all include original openings and other interesting features - so I don't think Sony can say it's "legal issues" (which is what I heard somewhere else) when a lot of other companies can do it.

If it's money they're worried about, isn't Sony one of the richest companies in the world?
Sony sucks!

:yeahthat

I loved the first 2 seasons. Lots of episodes featuring nosy neighbor Gladys Kravitz.

I loved the first 2 seasons. Lots of episodes featuring nosy neighbor Gladys Kravitz.
Alice Pearce ROCKED. It's so sad she didn't live to accept the Emmy she won for the role (her widower, Paul Davis, accepted on her behalf).

Alice Pearce ROCKED. It's so sad she didn't live to accept the Emmy she won for the role (her widower, Paul Davis, accepted on her behalf).

Alice was such a trooper working on the show until the very end of her life.
Loved her!!! If she never had cancer I wonder if her role would be reduced after season 2. I'm thinking of Sandra Gould having less episodes per season.

Alice was such a trooper working on the show until the very end of her life.
Loved her!!! If she never had cancer I wonder if her role would be reduced after season 2. I'm thinking of Sandra Gould having less episodes per season.
These articles about Alice are just great. What a lady. :D

http://www.harpiesbizarre.com/sunshine.htm

http://www.harpiesbizarre.com/lizsaved.htm

Alice was such a trooper working on the show until the very end of her life.
Loved her!!! If she never had cancer I wonder if her role would be reduced after season 2. I'm thinking of Sandra Gould having less episodes per season.

It was nice that Paul Davis Alice's Husband was able to accept Alice's Emmy & have it presented to him by Alice's good friend Elizabeth Montgomery.

I don't think that the role of Gladys Kravitz was reduced because of the cast change, rather it was just the natural play of a character that had already had a great deal done with it & it's reduction was just a natural progression that culminated in the role not appearing at all in season 8 as everything that could be done with the role had already transpired.

16,11,8,8,4,3,6,0 were the number of appearances Gladys Kravitz made from seasons 1 thru 8.

Larry Tate :)

It was nice that Paul Davis Alice's Husband was able to accept Alice's Emmy & have it presented to him by Alice's good friend Elizabeth Montgomery.

I don't think that the role of Gladys Kravitz was reduced because of the cast change, rather it was just the natural play of a character that had already had a great deal done with it & it's reduction was just a natural progression that culminated in the role not appearing at all in season 8 as everything that could be done with the role had already transpired.

16,11,8,8,4,3,6,0 were the number of appearances Gladys Kravitz made from seasons 1 thru 8.

Larry Tate :)
Sandra Gould makes one last appearance as Gladys Kravitz on an episode of Tabitha in 1978!

Sandra Gould makes one last appearance as Gladys Kravitz on an episode of Tabitha in 1978!
As does George Tobias as ABNER!!! :lol: Bernard Fox also appeared twice as Dr. Bombay, if I'm not mistaken.

Thats my favorite part of the Tabitha series, the return of Gladys, Abner, and Dr. Bombay! I wonder who else would have shown up if this series lasted longer, maybe Elizabeth Montgomery and Dick Sargent?

Thats my favorite part of the Tabitha series, the return of Gladys, Abner, and Dr. Bombay! I wonder who else would have shown up if this series lasted longer, maybe Elizabeth Montgomery and Dick Sargent?
Elizabeth Montgomery was against the idea of doing a reunion of any kind, because she doubted they could top what they'd already done (and I tend to agree). William Asher DID direct a couple of episodes of Tabitha (including the pilot with Liberty Williams).

Sandra Gould makes one last appearance as Gladys Kravitz on an episode of Tabitha in 1978!

Most Bewitched Fans & myself included do not regard the show Tabitha or anything to do with it as being a part of Bewitched or connected with it in any way, so that appearance by Sandra Gould does not count in my view nor the others as well.

Elizabeth Montgomery was very strongly against the Tabitha show & felt it never should have happened as she stated in Bewitched Forever, she never would have had anything to do with that show.

To me that show never existed as far as Bewitched goes & has as much to do with it as the movie Teen Witch in which Dick Sargent appeared.

Larry Tate :)

^ Lisa Hartman and Robert Urich certainly were charming, but it wasn't nearly enough to save the show.

All mentioned above are the reasons why I never bothered with Tabitha

I remember Tabitha on TV Land and it never did anything for me either.

I checked Tabitha out of the library a couple of years ago just out of curiousity. Like I said, the only really good things the show had going for it were Lisa Hartman and Robert Urich. I think this is right before he landed VEGA$. The pilot starring Liberty Williams, which is included as an extra on the DVD set, was godawful, despite being directed by William Asher. It was basically a very BAD ripoff of the Bewitched pilot. :mad:

I checked Tabitha out of the library a couple of years ago just out of curiousity. Like I said, the only really good things the show had going for it were Lisa Hartman and Robert Urich. I think this is right before he landed VEGA$. The pilot starring Liberty Williams, which is included as an extra on the DVD set, was godawful, despite being directed by William Asher. It was basically a very BAD ripoff of the Bewitched pilot. :mad:

Yes i agree with all you stated, it was always fun to see anything remotely Witchy or Bewitched like but this show just did not do it for me either, pretty so so at best.

What would get my radar up & working would be outtakes from THE Bewitched showing alternative takes such as I've got an ABC Bewitched Promo for season two that is especially fascinating as it is made up of footage from first two episodes of season two that are from scenes actually in the episodes, but are alternative takes in each case of those scenes & different then the ones actually used in the episodes themselves.

So in effect they are like discovering New Bewitched actual episode footage, or a lost scene that was never used.

The best one is of Samantha & Darrin sitting on a park bench just after she has told him they are going to have a baby & they are brushing each others cheeks with their hands, very sweet.

Actual outtakes would be a super find, they existed once & were shown at Christmas Parties for the cast & crew, they were rated R in many instances too, they have to be in some attic or basement somewhere.

Larry Tate :)

These articles about Alice are just great. What a lady. :D

http://www.harpiesbizarre.com/sunshine.htm

http://www.harpiesbizarre.com/lizsaved.htm

Thanks for links. I love reading more about Alice!

It was nice that Paul Davis Alice's Husband was able to accept Alice's Emmy & have it presented to him by Alice's good friend Elizabeth Montgomery.

I don't think that the role of Gladys Kravitz was reduced because of the cast change, rather it was just the natural play of a character that had already had a great deal done with it & it's reduction was just a natural progression that culminated in the role not appearing at all in season 8 as everything that could be done with the role had already transpired.

16,11,8,8,4,3,6,0 were the number of appearances Gladys Kravitz made from seasons 1 thru 8.

Larry Tate :)

I now see what you mean. I just watched Splitsville where Gladys (Sandra Gould) moves in with the Stephens on my Season 4 DVD. Reminds me of an episode from the B&W years where Abner moves in with Sam and Darrin after a fight with Gladys (Alice Pearce). I prefer the Alice version she was hilarious. I never watched Season 8 fully yet but could there have been an episode where a possible Gladys appearance could have happened?

Thanks for links. I love reading more about Alice!
My pleasure!! :D

I now see what you mean. I just watched Splitsville where Gladys (Sandra Gould) moves in with the Stephens on my Season 4 DVD. Reminds me of an episode from the B&W years where Abner moves in with Sam and Darrin after a fight with Gladys (Alice Pearce). I prefer the Alice version she was hilarious. I never watched Season 8 fully yet but could there have been an episode where a possible Gladys appearance could have happened?

Yes your right, # 140 Splitsville was a remake of # 32 Illegal Separation from season two, both were excellent in my view but i too liked the first one best.

I have all 26 episodes of season 8 uncut off of original studio 16mm prints so i can confirm that there was no Abner or Gladys that season.

They just didn't happen to show up in a script that season.

Larry Tate :)

Near the end, it seemed that all they could do with Gladys was have her go around the neighborhood trying to get everyone to sign petitions! I agree with Larry--the character no longer served any reasonable purpose and they had done all they could with the character. The thing I miss most when Alice passed on, was the fact that her Gladys and Sam seemed to be almost friends, while the Sandra Gladys was almost always antagnositc and hostile.

^ I agree. Plus, Alice Pearce's Gladys was never mean, just nosy but befuddled. Under Sandra Gould the character just became a shrew. I'm not necessarily putting the blame on her, but more on the writers.

Alice was better, and managed to be both extremely effective and much more likable at the same time. Really an outstanding performance. But to me Sandra WAS Gladys. One of the first things that comes to mind when thinking of the character is Sandra's excited "Abner!...ABNER!!!" Having watched Sandra for years and years before ever seeing Alice, it was pretty strange much later on to watch the b/w episodes with the "original" Gladys.

Once again, people like Dick York and Alice Pearce were pretty much irreplacable. But I did enjoy Sandra's efforts. I particularly liked when her Gladys was along for a time-travel trip. I would've liked that to have occurred again as the series neared its end.

Alice was better, and managed to be both extremely effective and much more likable at the same time. Really an outstanding performance. But to me Sandra WAS Gladys. One of the first things that comes to mind when thinking of the character is Sandra's excited "Abner!...ABNER!!!" Having watched Sandra for years and years before ever seeing Alice, it was pretty strange much later on to watch the b/w episodes with the "original" Gladys.

Once again, people like Dick York and Alice Pearce were pretty much irreplacable. But I did enjoy Sandra's efforts. I particularly liked when her Gladys was along for a time-travel trip. I would've liked that to have occurred again as the series neared its end.
Yeah, The Thanksgiving Episode, where Aunt Clara zapped everyone back to 16th century Plymouth, and Gladys walks in just in time to go too! A Classic!

Yeah, The Thanksgiving Episode, where Aunt Clara zapped everyone back to 16th century Plymouth, and Gladys walks in just in time to go too! A Classic!
"I don't like this dream. It's too much work!" :lol:

I liked both Alice & Sandra as Gladys Kravitz, i too prefer Alice Pierce as the best one but i thought Sandra Gould's performance was superb and in some ways more realistic & effective.

Although Alice was softer in tone & presentation in her portrayal she in the final reality was not Samantha's friend really & was still trying to find out what was going on & felt something strange was taking place that should be stopped, & once found out that Samantha would be & should be stopped & removed from the community.

So she & Sandra were both alike that way in trying to get Samantha Stephens, Sandra was simply more direct & aggressive about it, but had the same views & objectives i referred too.

It was only in a few episodes that Alice as Gladys seemed to be friendly towards Samantha, but then again so was Sandra as Gladys, such as in Tabitha's very own Samantha when she thought Samantha had lost it, in weep no more my willow when she was not out to get Samantha but was trying to save her marriage & a few other times as well, but these were the exceptions with both actresses.

In the vast number of episodes both actresses as Gladys were trying to both get & stop Samantha from being whatever she was being.

Larry Tate :)

One of my favorite Sandra Gould moments is when she enters the Stephens house with a cup of sugar. She then sees Aunt Clara on the stairs with the giant piano. She screams and pours the cup of sugar all over herself. :lol:

A good Sandra Gould moment was in season 4 when Serena reappeared. She was posing as Sam and kept playing tricks on Gladys. Naturally she ran screaming from the house.

A good Sandra Gould moment was in season 4 when Serena reappeared. She was posing as Sam and kept playing tricks on Gladys. Naturally she ran screaming from the house.
You mean the one where she made Gladys' shoes explode?? That was a great one. :rofl: That was also the pie fight episode.