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Zoneboy
03-29-2009, 10:30 PM
Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/30/business/media/30cable.html)

MILWAUKEE — In the last couple of years, the television industry has made a big push onto the Web, giving viewers hope that they might one day reach nirvana: every show ever made, available online for immediate free viewing.

But many in the industry are now questioning whether free is a sustainable model. And some are trying to make sure people have a reason to keep paying hefty cable bills.

Time Warner Cable, the second-largest cable operator in the country, is working with customers here to test a subscriber model for online TV viewing. Residents who pay for HBO can watch “Big Love,” “Entourage” and other programs on their computers, using special software and a personal log-in. People who are not HBO subscribers are barred from the service.

One night this month, while their two children slept upstairs, Steve Glynn, 35, used headphones to watch the HBO series “In Treatment” on his laptop through the service, while in the same room his wife, Kerri, watched “Dancing With the Stars” on the family television.

Although he says he watches TV infrequently, Mr. Glynn is a convert to HBO, now that the shows and movies are accessible in his lap. And he wants more. “We need this to be across all of Time Warner’s channels, not just HBO,” Mr. Glynn said.

The Time Warner test is one of several signs that the recession-weakened television industry is re-evaluating its plan for bringing TV to the Web. By all measures, full-length television shows on the Web have tremendous appeal, as millions of Americans log on to catch up on episodes they miss on TV and to discover new shows.

The free video Web site Hulu, a joint venture of NBC Universal and the News Corporation, counted 35 million unique viewers in February — only a fraction of the hundreds of millions who watch TV every month, but a 42 percent jump from January, according to comScore. The ratings for some programs, like “Lost” on ABC, would rise as much as 25 percent if online views were included, according to the ratings service Nielsen.

Nevertheless, television executives are developing a different model in which only subscribers to traditional cable and satellite services would be able to access the full breadth of shows online.

Leading the charge are the cable and satellite companies, who worry that the proliferation of free video on the Web — and downloadable shows on Apple’s iTunes — may be harming the $60-billion-a-year subscription video business by allowing people to unplug their cable services.

AT&T, Comcast, DirecTV, Time Warner Cable and Verizon are among the companies exploring a subscribers-only approach to online TV, according to television executives with knowledge of the talks. The distributors have approached cable channel companies like Viacom, owner of MTV, VH1 and Comedy Central; Scripps Networks, owner of HGTV and the Food Network; the BBC; and Discovery to talk about giving subscribers online access to their shows. The Wall Street Journal first reported on some of those talks last month.

Time Warner has also approached YouTube about distributing episodes from channels it controls, including TNT and TBS, people with knowledge of the preliminary discussions said. That could make YouTube, which is owned by Google, a major player in the market for longer videos — something it has not managed to accomplish on its own.

Cable executives expect broader tests by this summer of the new systems, which require them to develop technology to identify their subscribers when they go online. The approach is expected to be a hot topic at the cable industry’s annual trade show in Washington this week.

There are also signs that broadcasters and cable networks are worried that their initial, highly publicized push to put some of their programs online may be threatening the higher revenue they bring in when the same material runs on regular television. Cable networks are loath to put programs online unless they can maintain the per-subscriber fee that they receive from distributors.

Almost every show from the broadcast networks is now free online, at the networks’ sites or at hubs like Hulu, while almost every cable show is not. But in recent months, there have been signs of retrenchment by the broadcasters; CBS no longer streams its hit show “The Mentalist,” for instance.

“Every single network is having a hard time trying to figure out how to make money on their Internet delivery,” said Brian Baker, the chief executive of Widevine Technologies, which helps owners of content distribute their programming securely online. “Advertisers are not willing to pay top dollar for content delivered over the Internet to PCs, and it’s beginning to jeopardize the multibillion-dollar relationship the networks have with their cable and satellite providers.”

The revenues and stock prices of the major media companies have fallen significantly in the last six months, giving ammunition to the critics who think an online approach solely supported by advertising is flawed.

Broadcasters “went out and did deals to put content on broadband without a whole lot of thought about the long-term financial model,” said Jeffrey L. Bewkes, chief executive of Time Warner and a principal supporter of the new subscriber-only Web video plan. “If people aren’t subscribing to the programming, you probably shouldn’t put it online, because then half of the financial support goes away. That isn’t good. It hasn’t been good for the newspaper industry.”

Some content owners, harboring their own new doubts about the profitability of online video, seem open to the subscription idea. Jeff Gaspin, the president of the Universal Television Group, which oversees NBC Universal’s cable channels like USA and CNBC, said the company wanted to figure out a model that “gets our content out there when and where people want it, but that also preserves that dual revenue stream and that relationship we have with our distributors.”

He said NBC Universal was testing technology to identify Time Warner Cable subscribers online, and is also talking to Comcast, Cox and other providers about similar moves.

But an executive at another cable network, who did not want to be named because the discussions are at a preliminary stage, said that the cable operators were not guaranteeing the networks any additional revenue for the right to distribute their content online. He said his network was hesitant to sign on for that reason.

Another trend that terrifies television networks and distributors is the prospect that Web video will move from the PC to the television itself. Products intended to bridge that gap, like the Apple TV set-top box and the Roku digital video player, are now used by only a small percentage of people but could become more popular.

One company getting squeezed by these pressures is Boxee, a New York start-up whose software for PCs can be used to bring shows from Web sites like Hulu to the television set. Last month, Hulu’s backers, Fox and NBC, pressured Hulu to remove its content from the Boxee service because it threatened their efforts to get the cable operators to pay them what the industry calls retransmission fees.

Boxee has been trying to restore Hulu to its service, with both technical workarounds and through negotiations with the networks.

“Transitioning online opens up great opportunities for networks, but it also runs the risk of cannibalizing their existing business,” said Avner Ronen, Boxee’s founder. “Right now I think they want to tread the online waters carefully, to experiment online while it’s still a small business, and to innovate there, but not to rock the boat too hard at the risk of tipping it over. That’s the conflict they have.”

dakert
03-29-2009, 10:37 PM
Dont Blame Me! I dont watch tv shows on the internet

Marvo301
03-29-2009, 10:41 PM
It always comes down to $$$$. And it always seems to be coming out of our pockets!

browneyes106
03-29-2009, 11:42 PM
Dont Blame Me! I dont watch tv shows on the internet

I don't either.

Mr. Television
03-30-2009, 12:38 AM
I don't watch TV on the internet. With my computer, it would take me all day just to watch one show.

robyrob
03-30-2009, 07:40 AM
i don't watch tv on the internet, and if they think that that they can stop the people that are watching it for free on the internet they are idiots (and they are)

ThomasE
03-30-2009, 10:04 AM
Blame me if you want because I watch show on the internet from time to time. A majority of the time it is a show that is not airing on TV now.

JulieSomoski
03-30-2009, 04:02 PM
The only time I've ever watched TV on the internet was if I missed the episode for some reason - I know I watched an episode of Swingtown on CBS.com over the summer, and just recently, I watched Hell's Kitchen online because I was out of town.

It definitely is convenient, but I agree with this article - it's bringing down the ratings of network shows. Almost all NBC shows are available online, and look at their ratings. Or look at shows like Lost - it's been down a lot this season, but it's online viewers are higher than ever.

catlover79
03-30-2009, 08:45 PM
Blame me if you want because I watch show on the internet from time to time. A majority of the time it is a show that is not airing on TV now.
Same here - I could care less about the current shows.

Jude The Obscure
03-30-2009, 10:06 PM
Actually most of my TV watching is done on DVD......I don't like my computer as a TV medium.

JT
03-30-2009, 11:08 PM
I watch TV on the internet a lot. No, really....like a looooooooot.

I don't really care if they're bleeding for money because of it, either. Nobody wants to put classic episodes of As the World Turns on TV or on DVD? Fine. I'll watch them on YouTube, okay, thank you, goodbye.

catlover79
03-30-2009, 11:10 PM
I watch TV on the internet a lot. No, really....like a looooooooot.

I don't really care if they're bleeding for money because of it, either. Nobody wants to put classic episodes of As the World Turns on TV or on DVD? Fine. I'll watch them on YouTube, okay, thank you, goodbye.
That's the way to see most of those classic soaps. Heaven knows SOAPNET isn't anymore. ohno: :mad:

jasonbigley
04-01-2009, 05:05 PM
These companies need to stop being so greedy. I dont see any harm in letting people watch TV shows online. Most of the time, its just clips from an episode or not even the whole series posted online. I also like to watch some shows on youtube because there are shows on there that they dont show on cable TV anymore. Where I live, the price of cable is outrageous. Its not worth the money they charge IMO because a lot of it is repeated channels and a lot of the programming is garbage and very offensive.

ABC1
04-01-2009, 08:39 PM
Actually most of my TV watching is done on DVD......I don't like my computer as a TV medium.

Same here. But I'm still in the dinosaur age of using dial up for my internet access. I don't know why exactly...I'm missing an awful lot.

Jude The Obscure
04-02-2009, 12:47 PM
Here's hoping you can move on up to hi-speed. I can't imaging having to go back to dial-up!

tanquant
04-02-2009, 04:10 PM
The only online tv that I watch is youtube and thank god for it! Without that how will I see my classic shows? I don't even watch regular tv anymore. I would rather pay for youtube than my cable bill.

catlover79
04-02-2009, 05:06 PM
The only online tv that I watch is youtube and thank god for it! Without that how will I see my classic shows? I don't even watch regular tv anymore. I would rather pay for youtube than my cable bill.
I don't blame you at all!!

waichingliu81
04-03-2009, 03:00 PM
i watch the classics, such as cartoons on you tube but current shows such as ugly betty i watch on other sites because ABC pulls the video whenever the episode is posted on there due to copyright laws, unfortunately. although i watch it on other websites.

i rarely watch tv shows on tv, mainly because the programming here in the uk is just as bad as that in the US. it's mainly reality tv crap and dramas to name.

janet42
04-03-2009, 06:46 PM
I watched couple of "Eight Is Enough" episodes on youtube. They were pretty good.

catlover79
04-03-2009, 06:50 PM
^ I just watched the Eight is Enough E! True Hollywood Story on YouTube last night, as well as the Kristy McNichol E! True Hollywood Story.

megamanj2004
04-04-2009, 05:24 PM
The only online tv that I watch is youtube and thank god for it! Without that how will I see my classic shows? I don't even watch regular tv anymore. I would rather pay for youtube than my cable bill.

Even on YT, these corporations such as Viacom, News Corp. and even to some degrees NBC-Universal like to force YT users to remove some of their shows off YT or else they get suspended and/or removed from YT.

News Corp. yanked episodes of Mr. Belvedere off people's accounts on YT even before the S1 & S2 DVD's came along.

In fact, almost all shows that are News Corp. properties get yanked off YT one way or another.

And that's another X-factor example of greedy corporations hiding the classics.

janet42
04-06-2009, 06:53 AM
^ I just watched the Eight is Enough E! True Hollywood Story on YouTube last night, as well as the Kristy McNichol E! True Hollywood Story.

I didn't know you could get E! True Hollywood Story on YouTube. I have to check it out. Thanks! :)

comedyfreak
04-06-2009, 02:47 PM
I've checked out a few programs I haven't seen in years since the vast amount are still not on dvd yet. They offer them for free people are going to watch.

tanquant
04-06-2009, 08:22 PM
Even on YT, these corporations such as Viacom, News Corp. and even to some degrees NBC-Universal like to force YT users to remove some of their shows off YT or else they get suspended and/or removed from YT.

News Corp. yanked episodes of Mr. Belvedere off people's accounts on YT even before the S1 & S2 DVD's came along.

In fact, almost all shows that are News Corp. properties get yanked off YT one way or another.

And that's another X-factor example of greedy corporations hiding the classics.

You are exactly right. Some people on YT put on their videos no copyright infringement intended. I take no responsibility in the making of this video. I hope that helps them not get suspended and the video yanked off the website. They have some great shows on there.

catlover79
04-06-2009, 11:41 PM
I didn't know you could get E! True Hollywood Story on YouTube. I have to check it out. Thanks! :)
No problem. :D

gidgetgrape
04-06-2009, 11:58 PM
I've watched episodes of older shows I'd never seen before (for example, Ozzie Girls), but nothing currently on TV. I once watched an old movie on YouTube and my eyes hurt so badly afterwards that I decided to never do that again.

Heidi Dawn
04-07-2009, 01:47 PM
Add me to the list of people watching stuff on YouTube. If you have RealPlayer (the current free version), you can download videos from YouTube onto your hard drive, that's what I've been doing and converting them to a video format to play on my DVD player. You never know how long the videos will stay up. I got about 20 'Happy Days' episodes and a few classic 'Price Is Right' shows from the 1970's & 1980's this way.