Since "Friends" left, NBC hasn't hit first place in prime time--and it isn't aiming to return to the top spot, either, NBC Universal CEO Jeff Zucker said Wednesday.


"What does No. 1 in prime time mean anymore?" he asked, adding that the traditional measuring stick has lost relevance.

DVRs, online video and other factors have moved the needle. A more appropriate metric is aggregate viewing across on-air, online, VOD, iTunes, etc.--a gauge where the NBC hit "The Office" performs well.

"I don't think we'll ever be able to say, 'NBC is No. 1 in prime time,'" Zucker said at an industry event.

Any aspirations were effectively thrown out when NBC made the decision to go with a Jay Leno-fronted show weeknights at 10 p.m. Zucker said ratings there won't approach even what the network's current crop of struggling dramas are doing in the hour.

Still, he said the Leno move is not a white flag--just a reaction to new dynamics. "We're not proclaiming defeat," he said. "I don't think anyone thinks Fox is any less of a network because they program two hours in prime time."

Fox has been touted as the top network in recent years, but it has seven fewer hours a week to fill with hits than its three leading competitors.

Zucker reiterated that the Leno move was made partly to keep the comedian on NBC, but also in response to changing viewer behaviors that necessitated new business models. He acknowledged, however, that NBC may not have taken the gamble if prime-time ratings were as healthy as they were throughout the 1990s and beyond.

"Sometimes, you see the world more clearly when you're flat on your back," he said.

But he said the broadcasting industry needs "to be honest" with itself about the hurdles it faces and not "wish it were 1987."

Newspapers that ignored warning signs and failed to adapt to new technologies should serve as a cautionary tale. "We can bury our heads in the sand, and then I'll know we'll be defeated," Zucker said.

Broadcasting--a business supported only by advertising--was in flux due to DVRs and audience fragmentation even before the recession. Now it is facing further uncertainty, which is likely to continue through the coming upfront. Zucker said he expects the market to "move slowly," and signaled that NBC won't sell as much inventory as it has recently.

The economy has not only impacted the NBC network, but even more drastically, the local stations NBCU owns. Zucker said the company is buoyed by its portfolio of cable networks, which derive revenues from more stable affiliate fees as well as advertising. And despite the turmoil, he said, each cable outlet is on target for record ratings and financial performance in 2009.

"First and foremost," Zucker said, NBCU is a cable-network business. Some 60% percent of operating profit comes from the sector, estimated at $520 million in the 2008 fourth quarter. With that orientation, the company has recently added Oxygen and a controlling stake in the Weather Channel.

Among the cable portfolio is MSNBC, and Zucker said the news/opinion network is looking to add a signature show from a fourth personality to its prime-time lineup that features Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow.

In regard to new business models, Zucker has frequently spoken about the need to find a way to monetize online video and avoid trading analog dollars for digital pennies. A revenue gap between on-air and online remains vast, but he said it has closed slightly.

"I think we're at digital dimes now ... but there still is a long way to go from those dimes to dollars," he said.

Still, even if online ad dollars never eclipse those from traditional sources, Zucker said tinkering with the cost structure may still allow NBCU to come out on top.

He said NBCU supports ubiquitous distribution, and will be focusing over the next two to three years on developing an economic model that supports it.

http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=102392

Keep telling yourself that, Jeffy. I like how people make up things like this when they're behind.

Yeah, things have changed, but that's no excuse for crappy programming.

How in the world does Jeff Zucker still have a job? He has single-handledly killed NBC in the last 4 years. They've gone from the untouchable top of the TV world to competiting with the lowly CW occasionally now and certainly not competiting with the big three most of the time.

I see the Leno thing as the beginning of the end of NBC. They will IMO be the first of the big four to stop being a broadcast network.

I have to agree. The poor man's only making excuses so he doesn't look like a huge failure. While FOX, CBS, and ABC can all manage to hover around the 10 million range on average all season, NBC can barely manage to break half that. It's embarassing for a network that used to air hits like The Cosby Show and Seinfeld, and everyone knows it.

Wasn't he also the guy who approved cancelling Another World? Their only soap left is Days, but I don't see it lasting on NBC after its current contract expires (which I believe is 2011). Daytime aside, he has made one bonehead move after another regarding the prime time schedule (I think The Office is one of the very few hits left!). Jay Leno has also made some pot shots at him in his monologue (and rightfully so!). I agree with Brent - why this guy is still president of NBC is a mystery. :confused:

Wasn't he also the guy who approved cancelling Another World? Their only soap left is Days, but I don't see it lasting on NBC after its current contract expires (which I believe is 2011). Daytime aside, he has made one bonehead move after another regarding the prime time schedule (I think The Office is one of the very few hits left!). Jay Leno has also made some pot shots at him in his monologue (and rightfully so!). I agree with Brent - why this guy is still president of NBC is a mystery. :confused:

Yes - and don't forget how he managed to destroy the few hits NBC did have on their schedule (just look at how badly Heroes, Medium, Law and Order, My Name is Earl, and SVU have deteriorated this season). He doesn't know how to schedule a network.

ER is one of their top-rated shows this week at about 9.5 million viewers(got beat by Private Practice), and it's ending in 2 weeks. SVU is the other decent hit, but where does it move with Leno taking over 10pm? Tuesday at 9 it'll get destroyed by The Mentalist. They better hope Southland(the show airing in ER's timeslot starting April 9th) becomes a decent hit or they are completely screwed. Kings has already bombed. ohno:

It's really sad what they have become.

ER is one of their top-rated shows this week at about 9.5 million viewers(got beat by Private Practice), and it's ending in 2 weeks. SVU is the other decent hit, but where does it move with Leno taking over 10pm? Tuesday at 9 it'll get destroyed by The Mentalist. They better hope Southland(the show airing in ER's timeslot starting April 9th) becomes a decent hit or they are completely screwed. Kings has already bombed. ohno:

It's really sad what they have become.

NBC should see a nice build up next week for ER, and of course the finale should draw pretty big numbers (but not as big as one would have thought 5 years ago). I think Southland will somewhat hit. It's also going to help the show getting ER's old slot. But, it could depend on whether or not Harper's Island on CBS hits.

Both SVU and Without a Trace should benefit next season by not airing against all each other. All CBS has to do is renew it and keep it in the same slot, and NBC needs to keep it out of the path of another procedural (namely NCIS or The Mentalist on Tuesdays), and it should be able to climb back up in the ratings next season. Too bad Kings has already bombed - NBC could have used a decent hit for the remainder of the season at least.

at least he's being honest with himself - assuming he's blaming himself for how bad NBC is doing and not just saying its because of the economy or something.

it just seems stupid that they basically have nothing thats any good waiting in the wings or in development to replace all the shows that they have leaving or that have already left.

i still watch Saturday Night Live, Chuck, Heroes, Medium, My Name is Earl, and 30 Rock, but that's about it (that I can think of).

The only shows I still watch on NBC are Medium and Celebrity Apprentice. I gave up on Heroes a long time ago, stopped watching the Law and Orders, ER is ending (but I will tune into the finale), and these new shows are just, IMO, not very good. If NBC could crank out some quality programming, I'm sure viewers would come in. The sad thing is, though, it may be too late to try now.

I watch Chuck and SVU and sometimes I watch MNIE and 30 Rock. NBC is a shambles of what it used to be. None of the new shows this year were any good and I doubt next years will be any better. That's why Zucker is saying what he's saying. CBS seems to be doing okay with the shows they have...even at 10:00 and I don't hear anybody over there complaining. I guess we can proclaim the peacock as dead. :ohno:

so in two weeks , it is the end of must see tv, ER has been the best in this the final year because people wanted to see the beloved characters of old school ER return.Emmy noms are deserving of Angela Bassett, Noah Wyle, and the flashback of Anthony Edwards. The Doug and Carol reunion was nice if it wouldnt have had so much publicity. NBC had its day ...and now it is done. Stars from past shows get cancelled before their time. (Starter Wife, The Comeback, Dirt, Joey, and Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip (had the most promise) Now we have publicized appearances by former NBC stars. Once again , we have the sad story of the reality show. ER and must see tv....I miss you

The entire way that NBCU is now itself fragmented (SyFy, MSNBC, CNBC, Bravo, USA, stake in TWC) seems indicative to me that as long as profits roll in from those as the article implied, he doesn't have a sense of urgency to turn NBC around. It's a real shame, since as mentioned elsewhere, NBC used to be untouchable throughout the 80's and most of the 90's.

All networks have stuggles. But I think the past two years NBC has made some bad choices when it comes to programming. They canceled a brillant show like Journeyman and put on dumb remakes of the Bionic Woman and Knight Rider. I don't see NBC improving.

All networks have stuggles. But I think the past two years NBC has made some bad choices when it comes to programming. They canceled a brillant show like Journeyman and put on dumb remakes of the Bionic Woman and Knight Rider. I don't see NBC improving.

He also screwed over the 2003 revival of "Hunter" (w/ Fred Dryer and Stepfanie Kramer) as well by underpromoting it after 2 weeks of even promoting it in the 1st place.



If he really wants to be on top, 1st thing he needs to do is...stop blaming the media, stop blaming the economy (yes it sucks now) and start blaming himself for hiring his right-hand idiot-in-command Ben Silverman.

Deal or No Deal used to be one of their top shows and even that show isn't so hot anymore as people are finally realizing that the primetime version has gone to total gimmick city.

They had 1 Vs. 100 on Fridays and that show was doing consistently good numbers (hell, it even did better than Deal or No Deal at some points as well) and they royally screwed with that show...three times. 1st time, they put it on a mini-hiatus in favor of "Identity," which in itself wasn't doing that good. The 2nd time was punishing that show for "Amnesia," a watered-down version of FOX's trashy-game show "Moment of Truth" and the final nail in the coffin was toying around w/ the show (mind you, it was still ptting up good numbers in the ratings) and they announced it was not going to be on the 2008-09 lineup and it was good as cancelled, huh?

NBC also had a show that was their answer to ABC's "The View" called "The Other Half"

They also had "The Weakest Link" (which like ABC's "Millionaire") tanked when they tried to overexpose the show w/ special-theme shows.

I guess outside of Heroes, ER (which is going to end this year), Law and Order (which they're screwing aorund with these days), My Name is Earl, The Office, and to a small degree Deal or No Deal (which isn't doing so hot these days anymore), NBC is looking forward to getting their keesters kicked by the CW than getting out of their slump.

It's like NBC is not even trying to put up better numbers anymore.

NBC = Nothing But Crap!

It's nice to know he has no faith in the Network :rolleyes: I think he needs to step down and let someone takeover who has a more feel for television. I also think they need to try and have a tv fan be on the panel to help with the decisions that are made.

What NBC needs is another exec like Brandon Tartikoff. Even Fred Silverman in his early NBC days (Supertrain, Pink Lady & Jeff, etc.) would've been an improvement. :eek:

Zucker is running the network with his eyes closed. Seriously. It doesn't get much simpler than this: the highest ratings "Friday Night Lights" EVER achieved was with a first season episode that aired on a Monday night. The show has NEVER been regularly scheduled to aired on Monday nights. Instead, it languishes on Fridays. WHY?!

They're overloading on the things that are working, and it's going to kill them. Four hours of The Today Show? Really?! And Leno every night in primetime?! Why? Just why?

If you aim for mediocrity you'll probably achieve mediocrity. This seems to be the current NBC mantra.

Don't forget that he canceled Three Wishes after like ten episodes in the fall of 2005! :angryfire

NBC will end up requesting a bailout from the government and Jeff Zucker will get a big bonus as a result.

NBC will end up requesting a bailout from the government and Jeff Zucker will get a big bonus as a result.
The saddest thing is that you're probably right!! :eek: :mad: :censored:

NBC will end up requesting a bailout from the government and Jeff Zucker will get a big bonus as a result.

And pull a AIG, screw up their $$$ bonuses

NBC's Jeff Zucker has given up (http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/03/20/nbcs-jeff-zucker-has-given-up/)

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2008/12/sepinwall_on_tv_nbc_has_nothin.html

When Zucker took over as head of NBC entertainment in 2000 - he has since failed his way several rungs up the corporate ladder - the network was still thriving thanks to hits from past administrations, like "Friends," "Will & Grace" and "The West Wing." Under Zucker's stewardship, NBC developed a handful of successes - notably "The Apprentice," but also "Heroes" and "Deal or No Deal" - that flamed out within a few years (or, in the case of "Heroes," one year). Nothing developed during Zucker's reign was popular or durable enough to provide a new foundation for the network's success in the same way that "Seinfeld," "Friends" and "E.R." took over for "Cheers," "The Cosby Show" and "L.A. Law" in the mid-'90s. Even the network's current "hits" like "The Office" would have been, at best, boutique projects in the good old days.

Zucker came from producing "Today" and had little interest in behaving like a traditional network boss. Since he couldn't develop his own hits - because who wouldn't want to watch a sitcom starring Emeril Lagasse or a cartoon about Siegfried & Roy's lions? - he decided to milk the old ones as much as he could.

He negotiated four years worth of expensive contract extensions for the "Friends" cast and took to "super-sizing" its episodes, which allowed him to sell 5 to 10 extra minutes worth of commercials but also made it much harder to nurture another show right after it. He expanded "Today" from two hours to three, and then four. And now, in putting Leno into primetime while promoting Conan O'Brien (sort of) to "The Tonight Show" and bringing in Jimmy Fallon at 12:35, Zucker has managed to super-size NBC's entire late-night operation.

"I'll be on after the last hour of the new 'Today' show," Leno quipped, suggesting a future in which NBC airs nothing but "Today" and "Tonight."

NBC went from first to fourth place under Zucker, and thus far Silverman has shown himself to be very much in the Zucker mold. Most of the shows he's picked up either come from his own production company ("Kath & Kim") or seem like Silverman's attempt to recreate the NBC schedule of his childhood ("Knight Rider"). The cupboard has grown so bare that Silverman, taking a page from his boss, is preparing to air bloated two-hour editions of "Celebrity Apprentice" every week because, "Donald (Trump) is one of the biggest stars of the network." NBC is becoming less a big broadcaster than just another channel in the NBC Universal cable empire.

The Leno move allows Zucker to clean up two messes of his own creation: the flat-lining of primetime and the uncomfortable late-night transition plan.

'Parks and Recreation': Poor audience test results are normal, NBC's Ben Silverman says (http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2009/03/ben-silverman-p.html)

What is this guy smoking? You have to be joking - poor test results are a sign of a poor show. It isn't normal. It's just a bad show :crazy: :lol:

'Parks and Recreation': Poor audience test results are normal, NBC's Ben Silverman says (http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2009/03/ben-silverman-p.html)

What is this guy smoking? You have to be joking - poor test results are a sign of a poor show. It isn't normal. It's just a bad show :crazy: :lol:
Silverman is a joke and so is NBC. :lol:

Don't forget that he canceled Three Wishes after like ten episodes in the fall of 2005! :angryfire

That made me mad too.

As long as Chuck isn't cancelled.

Silverman is a joke and so is NBC. :lol:
That's basically what it comes down to!

Yes - and don't forget how he managed to destroy the few hits NBC did have on their schedule (just look at how badly Heroes, Medium, Law and Order, My Name is Earl, and SVU have deteriorated this season). He doesn't know how to schedule a network.

He also agreed to let them cancel "Sunset Beach" and "Passions" so he clearly has no respect for soaps.

He also agreed to let them cancel "Sunset Beach" and "Passions" so he clearly has no respect for soaps.

More reason why NBC is barely around in the daytime ratings game these days.

He also agreed to let them cancel "Sunset Beach" and "Passions" so he clearly has no respect for soaps.
Not to mention my favorite: the late, great Another World. :mad: :mad: :mad:

NBC Daytime is a joke. Barring Today, they only have one daytime show, and that show (DAYS) is a hot mess and has been for years now.

NBC Daytime is a joke. Barring Today, they only have one daytime show, and that show (DAYS) is a hot mess and has been for years now.

Becaue they let James E. Rielly write the show into the ground and than did nothing to fix it.

I'm still a Days fan but I agree the show has been downhill for years. Another World and Sunset Beach were great soaps and they died too early.

Zucker is running the network with his eyes closed. Seriously. It doesn't get much simpler than this: the highest ratings "Friday Night Lights" EVER achieved was with a first season episode that aired on a Monday night. The show has NEVER been regularly scheduled to aired on Monday nights. Instead, it languishes on Fridays. WHY?!

They're overloading on the things that are working, and it's going to kill them. Four hours of The Today Show? Really?! And Leno every night in primetime?! Why? Just why?

Zucker is an idiot. I really don't think the Today Show needs a fourth hour.

I'm still a Days fan but I agree the show has been downhill for years. Another World and Sunset Beach were great soaps and they died too early.

and Passions was well crap.

It is a shame the way NBC treated "Another World" in it's last 10-15 years on the air... they saddled Rachel Wyndham with a horrible twin storyline, killed of major characters (that fans loved, thanks Jill Farren Phelps) and threatend it with cancellation at every contract renewal.

And lest we forget that NBC also cancelled "Santa Barbara" a classic soap opera that should be airing to this day, same with "Generations" to a lesser extent.

^ The deaths of Frankie and Ryan were what really did AW in - thanks to Jill Farren Phelps, who has also managed to mangle GH. ohno:

NBC Daytime is a joke. Barring Today, they only have one daytime show, and that show (DAYS) is a hot mess and has been for years now.
I predict Days will be gone (at least from NBC) once its current contract runs up. Then they'll add another hour to Today. ohno:

Jeff zucker is a moron, when they were the number one network he was so proud. Now he acts as if being number one doesn't matter. I don't really watch NBC anymore because most of those shows just aren't very good. He has run NBC into the ground and should be fired and replaced with someone who knows what there doing. And this idea of Jay Leno is gonna make things worse than ever. Fire him already, jeff zucker that is...:mad:

I predict Days will be gone (at least from NBC) once its current contract runs up. Then they'll add another hour to Today. ohno:
Then they can change the name of the network from NBC to "The Network of Today." :lol:

Then they can change the name of the network from NBC to "The Network of Today." :lol:
Or "Today Our Ratings Are Crap". :lol:

And remember back when NBC during the period Fred Silverman was in charge of NBC and they were in last place in the late '70s/early '80s? Well Don Imus (yes, that Don Imus) who once worked on WNBC's Radio Show at one time made a spoof jingle of NBC's "Proud as a Peacock" jingle and it po'd Fred Silverman off.

So maybe this jingle should serve as a wake up call to p-o Jeff Zucker and Ben Silverman and P.S. someone oughta do a revival of this spoof jingle, b/c it made perfect sense about NBC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8cCE-9lQbg

^ :brent BRILLIANT!!

^ The deaths of Frankie and Ryan were what really did AW in - thanks to Jill Farren Phelps, who has also managed to mangle GH. ohno:

Not to mention how she destroyed "OLTL" when she was on there. She made Nora a self-righteous witch who cheated on Bo and LIED ABOUT IT! forced Dorian off the series (causing Robin Strasser to leave because she was treated so poorly) and forced us to watch a horrible irish mob story that nobody liked at all... (she sure does love her mob stuff doesn't she?)

I don't think 4 hours of Today is a terrible thing. Sure, the first 3 hours are on in the morning, where it actually is a good show to watch at that time of the day, and while the 4th hour is nothing short of nonsense and Kathie Lee making a fool out of herself, it does do well for them. And if NBC needs one thing right now, it's shows that do well.

Well Zuckerman is full of it. The ratings for last night came in and both The Mentalist and the Biggest Loser did pretty well at 10:00. So much for his claim that 10:00 is a dead spot for television anyway. If you put good shows on at 10, people will watch.

His move to give the Tonight Show to Conan was another DUMB MOVE

I don't think 4 hours of Today is a terrible thing. Sure, the first 3 hours are on in the morning, where it actually is a good show to watch at that time of the day, and while the 4th hour is nothing short of nonsense and Kathie Lee making a fool out of herself, it does do well for them. And if NBC needs one thing right now, it's shows that do well.


I never liked the 4th hour idea because you don't see Lauer, Meredith, or Roker.

I never liked the 4th hour idea because you don't see Lauer, Meredith, or Roker.

That's what I was getting at about the 4th hour - who really wants to see Hoda and Kathie Lee sit in their chairs and talk about nothing for an hour straight anyways??

His move to give the Tonight Show to Conan was another DUMB MOVE

Couldn't agree more with that. Conan can barely pull in viewers at 1:35am, so unfortunately, we may be seeing the end of the Tonight Show sooner than expected. This summer will definitely suck without having Leno at 11:30 every weeknight.

Couldn't agree more with that. Conan can barely pull in viewers at 1:35am, so unfortunately, we may be seeing the end of the Tonight Show sooner than expected. This summer will definitely suck without having Leno at 11:30 every weeknight.


After being used to turning to Leno at 11:35pm for 13 years, I will feel strange in July seeing that IDIOT in Leno's place.

After being used to turning to Leno at 11:35pm for 13 years, I will feel strange in July seeing that IDIOT in Leno's place.

It'll be the first time I watch "The Tonight Show" in so many years. Conan O'Brien is my favorite late night talk show host (2nd favorite is Letterman). And while I don't know how the ratings will be (I fear it will be lower rated), he'll at least make "The Tonight Show" watchable and funny to me. Notice I didn't say "funnier", because Leno has never been funny to me.

And besides, fans of Leno still get to watch him five nights a week.

My only complaint is that now my two favorite late night talk show hosts will be on at the same time!

It'll be the first time I watch "The Tonight Show" in so many years. Conan O'Brien is my favorite late night talk show host (2nd favorite is Letterman). And while I don't know how the ratings will be (I fear it will be lower rated), he'll at least make "The Tonight Show" watchable and funny to me. Notice I didn't say "funnier", because Leno has never been funny to me.

And besides, fans of Leno still get to watch him five nights a week.

My only complaint is that now my two favorite late night talk show hosts will be on at the same time!


Leno not funny? You need "sense of humor surgery"

LOL

Leno not funny? You need "sense of humor surgery"

LOL

Actually I'm proud of myself for not finding him funny.

All these years, I assumed people didn't find Leno funny. It's just that he's a nice guy who had the more A-List celebrities on his show and that's why the show was popular. Imagine my shock when I discovered people actually find the man funny! And people I like too. It hurts, lol.

Actually I'm proud of myself for not finding him funny.

All these years, I assumed people didn't find Leno funny. It's just that he's a nice guy who had the more A-List celebrities on his show and that's why the show was popular. Imagine my shock when I discovered people actually find the man funny! And people I like too. It hurts, lol.
Well, I'm going to agree to disagree with you there, Adam. To each his own! :D

Actually I'm proud of myself for not finding him funny.

All these years, I assumed people didn't find Leno funny. It's just that he's a nice guy who had the more A-List celebrities on his show and that's why the show was popular. Imagine my shock when I discovered people actually find the man funny! And people I like too. It hurts, lol.



I think it's his delivery of the joke. we both know he doesn't write them but the way he gives it to the crowd is just amazing. Conan on the otherhand jumps around like a FOOL to generates laughs

Well, I'm going to agree to disagree with you there, Adam. To each his own! :D

You're one of the "People I Like" who like Leno. It's a shame, too. :(

Okay, now I'm being over dramatic. :)

As for Conan, I'm not a huge fan of monalogues at all. It's strictly his stuff from where he sits down, does his comedy bits, his interviews and years ago (1993-2000) his chemistry with sidekick Andy Richter. Plus, Conan is a geek. I'm a geek. A lot of his humor feels personal, and I love that. He's the kind of guy I would like to hang out with. If I wrote for any of the hosts, it would be Conan.

^ I always have enjoyed Conan's "Celebrity Secrets" bit. :rofl: Plus, as a Barney Miller fan, I LOVE every single bit he does that features Abe Vigoda!! :rock:

No, I gotta agree with Solomon on this one. Leno is comedy - he's great at what he does, telling the jokes and giving his spin of them, and just being a great host of a show I've been watching for over 20 years.

Conan really does act like a clown on his show. Unfortunately, I'm afraid he's going to turn The Tonight Show, which has always been a respectable show, into a joke. The season after next, I wouldn't be surprised to see NBC begging Leno to come back to the Tonight Show.

No, I gotta agree with Solomon on this one. Leno is comedy - he's great at what he does, telling the jokes and giving his spin of them, and just being a great host of a show I've been watching for over 20 years.

Conan really does act like a clown on his show. Unfortunately, I'm afraid he's going to turn The Tonight Show, which has always been a respectable show, into a joke. The season after next, I wouldn't be surprised to see NBC begging Leno to come back to the Tonight Show.



One example of his delivery was last night when he mentioned Bruce Willis married a former Victoria Secret Model and he said

"wow, I thought it was cool to just get the catalog in the mail but to order the whole girl"

And his hands movements that followed after that was TOO MUCH

One example of his delivery was last night when he mentioned Bruce Willis married a former Victoria Secret Model and he said

"wow, I thought it was cool to just get the catalog in the mail but to order the whole girl"

And his hands movements that followed after that was TOO MUCH

Conan or Leno?

No, I gotta agree with Solomon on this one. Leno is comedy - he's great at what he does, telling the jokes and giving his spin of them, and just being a great host of a show I've been watching for over 20 years.

I disagree. He sucks. He always has sucked, but I've never wanted to say that and upset people who like him. But since Solomon decided to call Conan an "IDIOT" and a "FOOL", I've decided to finally give my opinion on the matter.

My disdain for Jay Leno does not mean I'm okay with replacing him with Conan. I think Conan is at his best when he's on at 12:35. I saw no reason to make the switch. But now that it's happening, I have to show my support to Conan. Will The Tonight Show be higher rated with Conan? Probably not. Conan's humor seems more of the kind that gets a cult following. Whereas Leno's is more mainstream (and to me, non-funny).

I disagree. He sucks. He always has sucked, but I've never wanted to say that and upset people who like him. But since Solomon decided to call Conan an "IDIOT" and a "FOOL", I've decided to finally give my opinion on the matter.

My disdain for Jay Leno does not mean I'm okay with replacing him with Conan. I think Conan is at his best when he's on at 12:35. I saw no reason to make the switch. But now that it's happening, I have to show my support to Conan. Will The Tonight Show be higher rated with Conan? Probably not. Conan's humor seems more of the kind that gets a cult following. Whereas Leno's is more mainstream (and to me, non-funny).

We do agree on that - there was no reason to take them out of their spots. Leno was the latenight leader for how many years? And I just don't think Conan can hold that title. Maybe calling him an idiot is a bit too far - I think it's just best to say that his humor is probably better suited for 12:35, not 11:35. Leno's kind of humor in his monologue is perfect for those looking to shut the TV off at midnight, and that's the way it should have stayed.

We do agree on that - there was no reason to take them out of their spots. Leno was the latenight leader for how many years? And I just don't think Conan can hold that title. Maybe calling him an idiot is a bit too far - I think it's just best to say that his humor is probably better suited for 12:35, not 11:35. Leno's kind of humor in his monologue is perfect for those looking to shut the TV off at midnight, and that's the way it should have stayed.

We agree on that. :)

And for the record, you're another one of the "People I like" who likes Leno, lol.

We agree on that. :)

And for the record, you're another one of the "People I like" who likes Leno, lol.

Well, thanks-LOL. You're one of the "People I like" who likes Conan ;)

Conan or Leno?


Leno, come on you know I don't watch Conan-lol

Leno, come on you know I don't watch Conan-lol

Plus, Conan's not even on right now. Jimmy Fallon has already started his tenure with "Late Night".

Leno, come on you know I don't watch Conan-lol


You're right, what was I thinking? ;)

My Mom watches Conan every night so she can jump in the AIR at the start of show-lol

Leno rules, Conan drools.

Not to mention how she destroyed "OLTL" when she was on there. She made Nora a self-righteous witch who cheated on Bo and LIED ABOUT IT! forced Dorian off the series (causing Robin Strasser to leave because she was treated so poorly) and forced us to watch a horrible irish mob story that nobody liked at all... (she sure does love her mob stuff doesn't she?)

Jill Farren Phelps almost nearly tried to destroy Guiding Light at one time as well.

At least CBS is smart enough not to ever hire her as EP for any of their soaps again after the way she helmed GL in the early to mid '90s.

NBC's Jeff Zucker has given up (http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/03/20/nbcs-jeff-zucker-has-given-up/)

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2008/12/sepinwall_on_tv_nbc_has_nothin.html

About time! Why did he reject the pro-life CatholicVote.org ad and accept the offensive GoDaddy ad during the Super Bowl?

Jill Farren Phelps almost nearly tried to destroy Guiding Light at one time as well.

At least CBS is smart enough not to ever hire her as EP for any of their soaps again after the way she helmed GL in the early to mid '90s.

She ruins every single show that she touches. She clearly HATES female characters especially one's over forty. She forced Dorian off OLTL, killed Frankie on AW, stopped using bobbie on GH and ruined the storylines of Nora, Lindsay and Viki on OLTL. Not to mention on GH that she forced Genie Francis to leave the show, refused to give Kristina Wagner a contract, reduced Monica to three scenes a year, made Tracey unbearable to watch and gave Robin Christopher nothing to do on GH for like 5 years.

Anyone who's not in the mob doesn't matter!! :rolleyes:

Anyone who's not in the mob doesn't matter!! :rolleyes:

especially if your name is Alexis Davis. becuase god forbid a woman over 40 acutally gets airtime that might take away from blonde bimbo LuLu and screaming shrew Carly or moraless mobsters Sonny, Jason, Rick, Trevor, Johnny or whoever the heck else they have on now.

I stopped watching once GH became the Courtney Show. puke:

She ruins every single show that she touches. She clearly HATES female characters especially one's over forty. She forced Dorian off OLTL, killed Frankie on AW, stopped using bobbie on GH and ruined the storylines of Nora, Lindsay and Viki on OLTL. Not to mention on GH that she forced Genie Francis to leave the show, refused to give Kristina Wagner a contract, reduced Monica to three scenes a year, made Tracey unbearable to watch and gave Robin Christopher nothing to do on GH for like 5 years.

I agree she is a show killer. It would have been cool to have Kristina Wagner back on GH.

I stopped watching once GH became the Courtney Show. puke:

i know... and then of course after pimping alicia leigh willis out for over two years she leaves the show and they just KILL HER OFF! just to replace her with another mindless drone that left the show a year later...

i know... and then of course after pimping alicia leigh willis out for over two years she leaves the show and they just KILL HER OFF! just to replace her with another mindless drone that left the show a year later...
Tell me about it. At least longtime GH cast member, Kimberly McCullough (Robin) is frontburner. Courtney was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too annoying. Did she ever utter a sentence without saying "GOD!!"? :rolleyes:

Tell me about it. At least longtime GH cast member, Kimberly McCullough (Robin) is frontburner. Courtney was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too annoying. Did she ever utter a sentence without saying "GOD!!"? :rolleyes:

her entire acting was putting her hands on her hips, wiping her forehead and saying "oh GOD, SONNY" or "JASSSSSSSSSSSSSON"... or screeching at the top of her lungs and sighing...

she had no range or depth...

she's worse than Hannah, Chloe, Carly (almost), Maxie and the dozens of other morons they've tried to use to replace beloved characters like Bobbie, Monica, Felicia, Lucy, Laura, Alexis (whose on what like twice a year?)

I DID love the various nicknames fans gave Courtney: "Kung Fu Chick", "Skipper", etc. :rofl:

I DID love the various nicknames fans gave Courtney: "Kung Fu Chick", "Skipper", etc. :rofl:

those were about the only entertaining things about courtney.

those were about the only entertaining things about courtney.
Indeed. :rofl: