Last weekend, I saw Be My Valentine, Charlie Brown and a few days ago on youtube.com I came across portions of It's Your First Kiss, Charlie Brown and You're in Love, Charlie Brown. All of them followed the trend of the specials, past and present and show a lot of childhood cruelty, especially from Lucy and the girls toward Charlie Brown. I used to watch those specials when I was younger, but now as i have got older, I have grown to dislike them because i feel the amount of childhood cruelty is way too much. Anyone else think so?

Last weekend, I saw Be My Valentine, Charlie Brown and a few days ago on youtube.com I came across portions of It's Your First Kiss, Charlie Brown and You're in Love, Charlie Brown. All of them followed the trend of the specials, past and present and show a lot of childhood cruelty, especially from Lucy and the girls toward Charlie Brown. I used to watch those specials when I was younger, but now as i have got older, I have grown to dislike them because i feel the amount of childhood cruelty is way too much. Anyone else think so?

Please tell me you're not serious, They're cartoons for crying out loud. What good is a Peanut's special if Lucy doesn't pick on Charlie Brown or yank the football away when he tries to kick it? It's no different than the road runner smashing Wile E. Coyote with an anvil when he tries to catch him. The so-called violence was what made cartoons worth watching and it's a shame to think that the same ones that I enjoyed as a kid can't be looked upon the same way today without someone complaining. In the immortal words of Charlie Brown...... GOOD GRIEF!

We let the kids watch the Halloween special in the classroom as a treat for Halloween. I never realized exactly how nasty Lucy and the other girls were. It actually led to an impromptu discussion on bullying after. The kids enjoyed it, but certainly felt sorry for Charlie Brown and Linus.

I've been a fan of Snoopy ever since I was a child and plan to allow my own children (when I have them) to watch the specials. I think it can teach them valuable lessons about not giving up and treating others with respect.

I sometimes feel like Charlie Brown, always getting rocks. :(

No wonder Charlie Brown is bald...he pulled all his hair out!

No wonder Charlie Brown is bald...he pulled all his hair out!

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Last weekend, I saw Be My Valentine, Charlie Brown and a few days ago on youtube.com I came across portions of It's Your First Kiss, Charlie Brown and You're in Love, Charlie Brown. All of them followed the trend of the specials, past and present and show a lot of childhood cruelty, especially from Lucy and the girls toward Charlie Brown. I used to watch those specials when I was younger, but now as i have got older, I have grown to dislike them because i feel the amount of childhood cruelty is way too much. Anyone else think so?


That is actually the whole POINT of Charlie Brown cartoons! You never saw that as a child either? That's why I could relate to Charlie Brown - because we all I think get bullied a bit at some point or other. It was to teach kids that bullying to some degree is a part of life and despite that, you go on being yourself and true to yourself and are a good person (you're a Good Man Charlie Brown).

If you ever read anything on Charles Schultz (Charlie's creator) you'll see how prevelant it was to Charles in his childhood and that's why he created the character.

If you want to see outright cruelty in cartoons, just watch Tom & Jerry sometime!

I certainly related to Charlie Brown as a kid. I dealt with a few bullies and was less than successful in my attempts to play sports. Charlie Brown helped me deal with those issues and survive childhood. That is why I chose to honor Charlie (and his creator Charles Schultz) by making him my avatar.

I certainly related to Charlie Brown as a kid. I dealt with a few bullies and was less than successful in my attempts to play sports. Charlie Brown helped me deal with those issues and survive childhood. That is why I chose to honor Charlie (and his creator Charles Schultz) by making him my avatar.


Yep - I'll always love the Peanuts Gang. Every kid you can think of was represented there - including Pigpen! :lol:

Always loved Charles Schultz too and found it sad when I heard he suffered from bi-polar depression his whole life. He seemed like such a lovely man.

Funny how in life I've found, that the kids we thought were nerds or wusses in middle school and got picked on are usually the ones that end up successful as adults. The ones who were "cool" in school so often end up being losers in adulthood. Their best years are being them by that time.

I loved drawing the characters too. They were great for kids because they're not that hard to draw. Snoopy was on every notebook I had! lol

I certainly related to Charlie Brown as a kid. I dealt with a few bullies and was less than successful in my attempts to play sports. Charlie Brown helped me deal with those issues and survive childhood. That is why I chose to honor Charlie (and his creator Charles Schultz) by making him my avatar.
That's very true. I think alot of us kids could always relate to him. I used to have peanut records and toys. I used to wait every year for their Holiday specials to come on. I never thought of Charlie Brown as being bullied. Despite what Lucy did sometimes, most of the characters on that show were friends. The world is too pc nowadays. People look for things to be offended by. Good Grief indeed.

Last weekend, I saw Be My Valentine, Charlie Brown and a few days ago on youtube.com I came across portions of It's Your First Kiss, Charlie Brown and You're in Love, Charlie Brown. All of them followed the trend of the specials, past and present and show a lot of childhood cruelty, especially from Lucy and the girls toward Charlie Brown. I used to watch those specials when I was younger, but now as i have got older, I have grown to dislike them because i feel the amount of childhood cruelty is way too much. Anyone else think so?

I agree with you about the Valentine episode. Not one person would give Charlie a Valentine?
The episode is flawed because Marci and Peppermint Patty, who both like Charlie Brown, are in his class, but they didn't give him one either?

Not cool.

Wow I never thought of Peanuts having too much cruelty. I did notice one part of "Snoopy Come Home" last night in which Linus and Snoopy were fighting over Linus' blanket. It got pretty "rough" but it's NOTHING like the stuff on TV today. If you watch "A Boy Named Charlie Brown" that is an excellent example of how; yes, Charlie Brown was always down on himself and the others were always calling him a blockhead and so forth. He makes it all the way to the finals in the spelling bee contest, loses and feels like he let everyone down. But when he arrives, he realizes that everyone still likes him. I think that's a great lesson for everyone! Besides if no one really liked him, then why do they hang around him all the time?

but now as i have got older, I have grown to dislike them because i feel the amount of childhood cruelty is way too much. Anyone else think so?

No I don't, that is so silly.

The line was crossed in the First Kiss cartoon, in which...
1. Even in a REAL football game, Lucy STILL pulls the ball away from Charlie Brown!
2. Peppermint Patty, who's just as ruthless as Lucy, turns a blind eye from Lucy's prank and lays the blame on Charlie Brown

And the coup de gras...
3. At the postgame dance, an incredible display of direct scapegoatism is shown. Just when we think Lucy couldn't be any more obnoxious that she already is, she has the incredible cheek to berate Charlie Brown for HER misdeed!

Charles Schulz received plenty of negative reaction from viewers and responded by making significant edits in the scene in which Lucy is rightfully blamed for the team loss.

If I were Charlie, I would use those rocks to throw at Lucy.

Cruelty are you kidding me :eek:


The Charlie Brown cartoons were good clean enjoyable fun, and were good quality (something you wont see in crap like the Simpsons and South Park).


How can anyone not enjoy the Peanuts???

Cruelty are you kidding me :eek:


The Charlie Brown cartoons were good clean enjoyable fun, and were good quality (something you wont see in crap like the Simpsons and South Park).


How can anyone not enjoy the Peanuts???

I agree. If anything, Peanuts is one of the tame cartoons. Have you read the comic strips in the paper lately? Some of them are completely disgusting! There are only a handful that I find funny and I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that I'm an adult. At least we never see any blood or guts in any Peanuts cartoons. Compared to Peanuts, I think Tom and Jerry was pretty bad.

I thought tfrankly that "Someday You'll Find Her Charlie Brown" had a very cruel ending even for the franchise, emotionally, to CB. But then he was chasing after another little girl than the little red haired girl [who'd, in a much earlier special, onscreen for once, gave Charlie his first kiss..two timing Charlie! He got what he deserved when the strange little blonde girl in "Someday You'll Find Her, Charlie Brown" invited Linus and Snoopy inside but not him!!!]

Lucy is cruel to Charlie Brown,pulling the football away. on an episode of Family Guy,a Lucy-like tried to take the football away from Lois,but Lois used he martial arts on Lucy.:lol: :turkey: I do want the cd with Snoopy's Christmas and Snoopy vs the Red Baron by The Royal Guardman this birthday/Christmas,even before that.:) -Happy Thanksgivingpresent: :santa2: -Merry Christmas,Early

..that if you read "Peanuts" every day for an extended period, "You get to know me". And he was right. He was a brilliant writer and artist, because he was honest in expressing his feelings through Charlie Brown, Lucy, Linus, Snoopy and everyone else. He didn't have much of a "happy life", even when he was successful. But he channeled himself, his thoughts, opinons, attitudes, and what was happening around him through his daily and Sunday strips. For example, the series of strips when Snoopy's dog house was destroyed by fire around 1966 was based on the fact that Schulz's own house went up in flames at the time, and he "worked out" his frustration and sorrow over the loss by having it happen to Snoopy {"My pool table! My Van Gogh! *sob*"}. He also had high admiration for artist Andrew Wyeth, and mentioned him from time to time [after the fire, Snoopy hears compliments from "the gang" inside his rebuilt dog house about his new furnishings, observing, "My Andrew Wyeth is going over big!"]- in fact, he had Linus' brother Rerun lament in one of the later strips, "I'll never be another Andrew Wyeth".

As far as "violence" was concerned, Schulz never glorfied it. Those occasions where Lucy punched Charlie Brown out at her psychiaitry booth, or hit Linus during an argument or pulled the football away from Charlie...that was exaggerated, and was never meant to be taken seriously. There was a 1970 Sunday strip where Lucy finds Frieda lounging in her spot at Schroeder's piano. Freida shrugs, at Lucy's outrage, "Maybe I just like classical music". Lucy warns her, "If you're gonna hang around here, you have to like Beethoven". "Okay, but I'll just have a small glass". Schroeder, outraged at hearing that, pulls his piano away from them, their heads hitting the floor {KLUNK!}. Lucy says to Freida, "You blew it, kid!". Once, in a strip published on Irving Berlin's birthday, Lucy whispers to Schroeder, "Psst, hurray for Irving Berlin!". She gleefully ducks as his piano is flying towards him. Schroeder is mad, yes, but wouldn't really hit Lucy with his piano.
And most of these strips were adapted for the TV specials...

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..that if you read "Peanuts" every day for an extended period, "You get to know me". And he was right. He was a brilliant writer and artist, because he was honest in expressing his feelings through Charlie Brown, Lucy, Linus, Snoopy and everyone else. He didn't have much of a "happy life", even when he was successful. But he channeled himself, his thoughts, opinons, attitudes, and what was happening around him through his daily and Sunday strips. For example, the series of strips when Snoopy's dog house was destroyed by fire around 1966 was based on the fact that Schulz's own house went up in flames at the time, and he "worked out" his frustration and sorrow over the loss by having it happen to Snoopy {"My pool table! My Van Gogh! *sob*"}. He also had high admiration for artist Andrew Wyeth, and mentioned him from time to time [after the fire, Snoopy hears compliments from "the gang" inside his rebuilt dog house about his new furnishings, observing, "My Andrew Wyeth is going over big!"]- in fact, he had Linus' brother Rerun lament in one of the later strips, "I'll never be another Andrew Wyeth".

As far as "violence" was concerned, Schulz never glorfied it. Those occasions where Lucy punched Charlie Brown out at her psychiaitry booth, or hit Linus during an argument or pulled the football away from Charlie...that was exaggerated, and was never meant to be taken seriously. There was a 1970 Sunday strip where Lucy finds Frieda lounging in her spot at Schroeder's piano. Freida shrugs, at Lucy's outrage, "Maybe I just like classical music". Lucy warns her, "If you're gonna hang around here, you have to like Beethoven". "Okay, but I'll just have a small glass". Schroeder, outraged at hearing that, pulls his piano away from them, their heads hitting the floor {KLUNK!}. Lucy says to Freida, "You blew it, kid!". Once, in a strip published on Irving Berlin's birthday, Lucy whispers to Schroeder, "Psst, hurray for Irving Berlin!". She gleefully ducks as his piano is flying towards him. Schroeder is mad, yes, but wouldn't really hit Lucy with his piano.
And most of these strips were adapted for the TV specials...

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:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap I love it! Thanks!!!