http://tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mary-Tyler-Moore-The-Complete-Series/11238

Looks like the whole series will be out in May!:wave:

its good that they are going to release the entire series, but there is no way in hell I am going to re-buy the first four sets just to get the last three.

basically that works out to $59.99 per season for the last three seasons.

Yeah, I was incredibly thrilled they announced a date, but why the complete series?! Great, now we all have to re-buy the first 4 seasons. :rolleyes: I know I should be glad, this is the news I've been waiting SO long for, but frankly, I'm rather disappointed.

- Kristen

Don't worry, I have a feeling there'll be releases coming in separate seasons. Firstly, with this crappy economy, not everyone can afford to pay mucho bucks for a whole series set, especially if they've purchased the previous four. With that in mind, FOX will want to make back the money they put in to make the DVDs, and how they'll do that is to release Seasons 5 - 7 separately. They did the same thing with Season 1. I seem to remember they re-released Season 1 as one disc or something along those lines, just trying to recoup what they lost when they initially released Season 1. The strategy was that they were trying to appeal to fans of the show who thought the initial release of Season 1 was too expensive. Seems history is about to repeat itself, no?

I think it sucks that they're doing it this way too. You'd think they would've learned from the poor execution of Season 1's sales which, in part, were due to being too expensive. But all this means is that we're having to wait a little longer, that's all.

If worse comes to worse and I'm completely wrong, what we can do is buy the complete series and merely sell the original sets (although I may prefer to keep them) on Ebay or something. It's just ridiculous what fans of this show have had to endure. It's all so unnecessary...

Ed

You're right, Ed. I bet they'll get a lot of complaints from fans, and hopefully they'll listen. Didn't they go through something similiar to this with MASH at one point? They eventually put out a smaller set w/ the extras on it so fans weren't forced to re-buy.

Anyway, I just hope we get more details soon. It would def. be a cheerer-upper, LOL.

Nice to know that the fans who bought the first four seasons got screwed...again.

This is the news I've been waiting for for a long time now, and I can't believe how disappointed I am. I am not spending $150 bucks for the last 3 seasons, and probably no new extras. I don't have the money, and my guess would be 95% of the fans of MTM don't either.

Hopefully FOX will release seasons 5-7 seperately after this set. But, if they don't, what I may have to do is sell the first 4 seasons on ebay, and buy the complete series set . . . I'd definitely do that if new extras will be included on the set.

Ok, here I am excited that the seasons are coming out, but feeling the pain of getting screwed by Fox for having to reinvest more money? I think it's time we hit the emails to Fox and tell them how we feel. We bought the first 4 years, and now reinvest more money to purchase what we already have just to get the last three? That's plain out and out b******t.

I'm going to start saving up for that great day in May. If I have two copies of seasons 1-4, so be it. Give me the final three, baby!! Give me my "Chuckles", "Mary, do you have a dog?", and many more wonderful moments!!

You're right, Ed. I bet they'll get a lot of complaints from fans, and hopefully they'll listen. Didn't they go through something similiar to this with MASH at one point? They eventually put out a smaller set w/ the extras on it so fans weren't forced to re-buy.

Anyway, I just hope we get more details soon. It would def. be a cheerer-upper, LOL.
Same here!!

Ok, here I am excited that the seasons are coming out, but feeling the pain of getting screwed by Fox for having to reinvest more money? I think it's time we hit the emails to Fox and tell them how we feel. We bought the first 4 years, and now reinvest more money to purchase what we already have just to get the last three? That's plain out and out b******t.

I agree - sending them a few emails couldn't hurt. I'm sorry, but I spent $80+ on the first 4 DVDs, and I don't want to spend $150 just to get the last 3. I love Mary, but I just don't have the money with all the other DVDs I'd like to buy between now and May.

It's unfair to the fans - we've waited god knows how long to finish the series, so why couldn't they just have released the complete series to begin with? Then we would have known not to waste our money.

I guess I'll get the bootleg sets I have been holding out on getting, hoping to see SEPERATE releases of season 5, 6 and 7.

I think the idea of emailing Fox isn't a bad one. At least we can vent. If anyone hears back, please let us all know. I don't think we should give up on individual seasons yet. It could still happen. I hope they do include new stuff on the DVD's. I've been hoping all along we'd at least get something for season 6 b/c of "Chuckles." I know it's a long shot, but you never know. Maybe Fox will finally come to their senses.

ETA:I just sent an email to Fox:

"Hi,
I got the news earlier today that you're planning to release a complete series of The Mary Tyler Moore Show on May 5. However I (like many other fans) already own the first four seasons on DVD. Are there any plans to release seasons 5, 6, and 7 by themselves? I'm sure many fans would appreciate not having to buy something they already own.

Sincerely,
- Kristen"

Will let you guys know if/when they reply! I hope this does some good. :)

I liked what you said Kristen, that it would be nice to see FOX release a smaller set, with maybe seasons 5-7 and any additional extras that may be included on the complete series set.

But, with 4 seasons on my shelf, I'd like to see the other 3, individually packaged, sitting besides them. I've never been a fan of series sets. We can vent our anger to FOX, and see what they say about it.

Somebody needs to be kicked in the Nads--Just release the next 3 seasons at 19.99 and we will be happy campers!! :wave:

I liked what you said Kristen, that it would be nice to see FOX release a smaller set, with maybe seasons 5-7 and any additional extras that may be included on the complete series set.

But, with 4 seasons on my shelf, I'd like to see the other 3, individually packaged, sitting besides them. I've never been a fan of series sets. We can vent our anger to FOX, and see what they say about it.

Thanks, Julie. I hope we see press release soon with more info.

Somebody needs to be kicked in the Nads--Just release the next 3 seasons at 19.99 and we will be happy campers!! :wave:

Exactly - I couldn't agree more. Seriously - $150 for the last 3 seasons. That's $50 a season. How stupid do they think we are?

Thanks, Julie. I hope we see press release soon with more info.

As do I - there's still a lot of information to be uncovered.

I just had a thought. PGood, do you think you could call Mr. Feldstein up and ask if there are plans for individual seasons? I know it's a lot to ask, since we did get a release date, but I figure we'd be more likely to get a direct answer that way, rather than by email. And even if he doesn't give any info, at least we'll know we've been heard. *Shrugs* It's just an idea, so feel free to say no.

Isn't it just like Fox to make us wait forever to get the first four season box sets, then hold the final three seasons up until putting everything together in a complete series box (making us repurchase the four seasons we had to wait forever for in the first place). :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: and so on...

I guess we should all be thankful that RHODA will be issued by Shout Factory.

Please someone who has contacts at Fox, find out if they plan to also release season 5-7 seperatly or maybe a 3 season set of just 5-7 for those who already have 1-4.

This is good news, but I too am disappointed it's a complete series. It'd so be better for Fox to release just S5-7! I hope they will eventually.

It seems like we're all on the same page here - a complete season set is not the best way to go. We have to let FOX know that before they invest all their money into it, we want individual season sets, or even a 5-7 set, before we want a complete series set on our shelves.

I'm just happy that we're getting the rest of this classic series on DVD!

I'm plenty happy with selling my first four sets and then buying the complete series. I've done that before (3 times actually - for Seinfeld, Everybody Loves Raymond, and King of Queens)

I didn't recoup what I spent, but I'm a big fan of the complete series box-set. It wasn't a big deal to me because I knew there would be a set coming out and I knew I wanted it.

I don't discourage you from sending emails, but I just urge that you be polite. I'm just glad that they are finally putting the rest of the series out... in whatever form!

They will eventually repackage the 5 - 7 season sets, even if they come forth and say that *currently* there are no plans to do so. The thing is, the complete series will NOT make them a ton of money.

Also, in this crappy economy, what some companies do to make a return on an investment is to re-release a series that's already in their catalogue. This saves them the expense of buying the rights to a new series.

Everybody is feeling the economic crunch. With so many being unable to afford housing, heat and food, the likelihood of this series set selling like hotcakes is pretty much next to nil. But since they've got the rights to seasons 5 -7, you can believe they'll try to make a return on their investment for those seasons. So I definitely say they'll release those seasons separately eventually. It's only good business sense on their end.

It's a little longer wait, that's all.

Ed

I know how you feel about having to rebuy the first four seasons, but...

As a collector, I'm looking forward to seeing what the complete series packaging looks like. If it's different from the season sets, I'll gladly keep them. Heck, I even have the old VHS from Columbia House because they look so nice on my bookshelf! :crazy:

There's been so little MTM merchandise that I love any product with the images of the show on it.

And it'll be great that one of the best TV shows ever will finally be accorded the same high honor as other shows, a complete series box.

So, would I prefer that seasons 5 thru 7 come out individually? Yes, but there's still plenty to be excited about with a box set :)

I completely agree, likewow!

Yes, I just read my E-mail.
This is wonderful news!

But yes, bad on the individual box sets may be a "No". But oh well, at least we're getting the whole Series.

I am will you all, this is disappointing and very frustrating that they are just releasing the whole series. They obviously know that who ever would be interested in buying this box set, more than likely already has the first 4 seasons. This is soooo stupid!

But who knows, maybe we are just jumping the gun, and they are planning to release seasons 5, 6, and 7 separately at the same time or close to this box set release.

OMG, I just read the news and I viewed all the posts, and I have to say I
come down on the side of this being a FANTASTIC development ... all the
seasons of The Mary Tyler Moore Show are finally coming out! If I could do a cartwheel I would.
This is what we’ve been hoping for, people, and life is short, so
I’m just thrilled it won’t be too much longer before I (we) have all seven
seasons at my (our) fingertips! To me it’s just important that all the seasons
get out ASAP, however they do it (if they were only to do Season 5, who’s to say 6 and 7 would be guaranteed to come out?)
————
HOWEVER, that being said, I DO agree it’s unfortunate for many people that they ARE doing it this way (although I thought that’s what they’d do). I personally will buy the box set but can see where some are miffed at already having bought four seasons, and others just won’t be able to afford it.
(Tell me this ebay-aholics ... why won’t cheaper bootleg disks of
Seasons 5-7 start showing up on that and other sites soon after the May
box-set release? Or do the studios who own the rights monitor that stuff
and make people take down such ads (maybe it’s simply just illegal)? And unless you're in love with the packaging, aren't bootleg seasons 5-7 pretty good?)
————
Anyway, Kristen, I could give you Steve Feldstein’s
number, but do you think it wise? I mean, do you think there's ANY chance they're going to come out with single seasons before this already-announced boxed set? I don't think there's much hope of that, and if he suddenly changes his mind because of some angry phone calls, then we'd never get 5-7!!!! It's a lot to think about. And I happen to agree that they may release single seasons later on. You'll have to convince me about this one!!!! Would you take the number AFTER the box set release? We'll chat!

PGood, I've been waiting to see what your reaction would be! I agree that in one sense it's very good news. No more waiting for the next season, etc. And since "Chuckles" is part of this, it's definitely good in that regard. I know a lot of fans (myself included) have been anxious to have that on DVD.

But I can't get past the fact that they must've known how fans would react to this. I guess that's why I'm so annoyed. I never really thought they'd do this. I mean, I knew it was a possibility, but I thought they'd think better of it and decide to do individual seasons. I kind of feel stupid now, LOL.

I do agree that it's very possible they'll do seasons later on. I just wish we knew that for a fact now. That's sort of what I was going for in asking you to call. Not so much to convince him to change his mind, but to ask what their plans were. I guess our best bet now is to wait and see what the official press release says, and decide then. There may be info there that changes things, like new extras or something. I know it's a longshot, but it would certainly make me feel a lot better!

At least this board has become more active the last couple days, which is always nice to see!

- Kristen

Sorry I was so late, but I didn't see it until I got to work, and I didn't want to respond on the work computer, which has spyware issues.

I'm not saying you're naive, but some of us older folk probably realized there was no chance that they DIDN'T do a boxed set at this point, once that possibility was raised.

I think that's a good idea to wait for the press release. With all the seasons being SO CLOSE, I don't want to upset the apple cart by calling him and getting him ticked off. But I really don't see why they'd release single seasons BEFORE an already-announced box set.

And what about bootlegs of 5-7, on ebay or the like, or even off his board? Could we kind of pass around copies? Does anyone know how to burn them? Or is that illegal?

It is possible to make copies. Is it legal? No. (That's what that warning means at the beginning of movie rentals.) But I do think it would be legal if someone took the set apart and sold the seasons individually that way. But of course then they wouldn't have those DVD's anymore. Prob. the only ones who would do that wouldn't be fans anyway, they'd just want to make some money or something.

I see what you mean about not upsetting the applecart, but you did get very good results last time you talked to him. That was another reason I made the suggestion. Like I said before, let's wait till we have the press release before we do anything more. And I agree about them not releaseing seasons before May 5, I could live with them coming out simultaneously, or even later on. As long as it was a sure thing, I'd be thrilled. Anything is better than re-buying.

I am starting to warm up to the idea of getting everything all at once. It is a very attractive option. Esp. since I know we've got some members here who've never even seen the last 3 seasons. They've def. got a lot to look forward to in this set!

besides, girlfriend, don't you already have all the episodes?
ok, sure, they aren't boxed, and they have commercials, but you're able to see any episode you want at any point!!!
that's what's gotten me about this...it's such a great show, and if i'm willing to shell out the cash, these DVDs shoulda been available a long time ago!

but...three cheers and another cartwheel...they'll be out May 5th! (smiley emoticon!)

besides, girlfriend, don't you already have all the episodes?
ok, sure, they aren't boxed, and they have commercials, but you're able to see any episode you want at any point!!!
that's what's gotten me about this...it's such a great show, and if i'm willing to shell out the cash, these DVDs shoulda been available a long time ago!

but...three cheers and another cartwheel...they'll be out May 5th! (smiley emoticon!)
Yeah, I do, but they're crappy N@N episodes. They pale in comparison to the DVD's. But I do see what you're saying. And I have to remember that no one has said yet that they're NOT doing individual seasons at some point. I could be getting all upset for nothing. It just bugs me that I may have to end up finding new homes for the DVD's I have now, since it doesn't look like there's a compelling reason to keep them.

I will wait for the official announcement to see if they plan to also put out a set of just season 5-7. If they don't, then I may go the route of bootleg sets.

Calling him and pissing him off won't change a thing. If there's money to be made later on by releasing Seasons 5-7 separately, they're not going to withhold that simply because a few fans called and hurt his feelings. Money is the name of the game.

I predict (and I'm thinking like a business here) the set will do poorly in sales and that FOX will see a loss on what they invested to have the rights to release Seasons 5-7. In order to recoup some of that loss, they'll *eventually* opt to re-release those seasons separately. It's a no brainer.

I think it's a matter of time. Just my opinion...

Ed

I agree with you!

Calling him and pissing him off won't change a thing. If there's money to be made later on by releasing Seasons 5-7 separately, they're not going to withhold that simply because a few fans called and hurt his feelings. Money is the name of the game.

I predict (and I'm thinking like a business here) the set will do poorly in sales and that FOX will see a loss on what they invested to have the rights to release Seasons 5-7. In order to recoup some of that loss, they'll *eventually* opt to re-release those seasons separately. It's a no brainer.

I think it's a matter of time. Just my opinion...

Ed

I agree with you!

Smart girl ;)


Ed

What FOX shoul do is release a 5-7 set and a complete series set on the same day, so fans could have the option to choose which set they want.

What FOX shoul do is release a 5-7 set and a complete series set on the same day, so fans could have the option to choose which set they want.
Now THERE'S a good idea. :clap

What FOX shoul do is release a 5-7 set and a complete series set on the same day, so fans could have the option to choose which set they want.
AMEN to that!! If Fox does that, I'll take back every bad word I've said/thought about them, LOL. (BTW, Julie, I've been meaning to tell you I love your avatar!)

- Kristen

I highly doubt a 3 DVD set would sell any better, so don't count on FOX doing that either. People nowadays in this economy are just as unlikely to drop $60-$70 for a 3 DVD set as they are for a $150-$175 complete series set. Yeah, us die-hard fans would do it, but the market they're aiming at is the die-hard AND the casual fan. No way would casual fans drop that much dough for 3 seasons. I wouldn't count on it.

Honestly, I think the thing we'll hear next is that the 5-7 Seasons are being released individually. Shall we take bets???

Ed

AMEN to that!! If Fox does that, I'll take back every bad word I've said/thought about them, LOL. (BTW, Julie, I've been meaning to tell you I love your avatar!)

- Kristen

As would I. And thanks - I love those old magazine covers. Candice is such a beautiful woman, I couldn't pass that up as an avatar.

Edster, you may be right, but like you said, these sets are being aimed towards die-hard and casual fans. So, why would a casual fan buy the complete series set, and not the 5-7 set, if the 5-7 cost less money?

I think a 5-7 set would definitely sell better than a complete series set. For one, most fans already own seasons 1-4. So, all they'd need was seasons 5-7 - if buyers had both options, it would be fairer to the fans with seasons 1-7, and it would probably make them more money.

Something else to consider, I can't think of any other instance where a company released a complete series before finishing it off season by season, unless its a single season complete series, or in the case of Time Warner, Get Smart and the Man From Uncle. But even in the case of Get Smart, they didn't start selling seasons (Bait & Switch)and then stop in the middle and jump to the complete series! , plus now their coming out season by season.

it's an interesting discussion; there's really no telling what they might do.
but as for all seven seasons finally being available in may, i'm still THRILLED!

does cartwheel, does cartwheel, wipes out, dusts self off, does cartwheel, does cartwheel!

it's an interesting discussion; there's really no telling what they might do.
but as for all seven seasons finally being available in may, i'm still THRILLED!

does cartwheel, does cartwheel, wipes out, dusts self off, does cartwheel, does cartwheel!
You're right. In the end, all 7 seasons are available. Wouldn't it be cool if the Oprah reunion was included as a bonus feature?

No one said S5-7 would have to be packaged as a set. Couldn't they just come out individually on May 5, too? That way even the most casual fan would be able to get something within their budget. If I were Fox, that's how I'd do it. But of course, we all know I'm not, LOL.

And Monika, yeah, it would be awesome. But I don't think you should hold your breath, hehe!

There's no question that fans of TMTMS are among those who have had to be the most patient, from the very start when Season 1 apparently didn't sell well enough for their ta$te, causing the other seasons to be delayed, to now, when they obviou$ly are banking on the die-hards buying the box set before they (almost undoubtedly) offer up seasons 5-7 individually

but once the box set is out, that almost assuredly will mean individual seasons/and or bootlegs will come along...and then everybody will have the whole set!

have i mentioned how happy this makes me? (dances jig)

What FOX shoul do is release a 5-7 set and a complete series set on the same day, so fans could have the option to choose which set they want.

That would just make too much sense... no way that's gonna happen.

As predicted nearly two years ago:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=196799

Seriously, this is good news. I don't give a crud that I own the first four seasons. Give me that big box set and get out of my way. My four individual seasons will be up on ebay before you know it!

YES!

I agree with MrMatt! I can't wait no matter how they are selling them!

Edster, you may be right, but like you said, these sets are being aimed towards die-hard and casual fans. So, why would a casual fan buy the complete series set, and not the 5-7 set, if the 5-7 cost less money?

I think a 5-7 set would definitely sell better than a complete series set. For one, most fans already own seasons 1-4. So, all they'd need was seasons 5-7 - if buyers had both options, it would be fairer to the fans with seasons 1-7, and it would probably make them more money.

I'm not saying a 5-7 DVD set wouldn't sell better than a complete series, but I don't think it'll set their profit margins particularly high. You're still talking about a set that'd be in the $50-60 range, and most people by then who normally would invest in it won't be able to. This economy is experiencing more layoffs as the weeks go on, and even the most devout of fans will not choose to indulge in an expensive DVD release when they can barely afford health insurance, rent, gas and food.

It'd sell better, no doubt about it, but I think it'd be a wasted effort. The next approach would be to do a single season set so that those who aren't dirt poor won't feel like they're breaking the bank by buying their fave show piece meal (Season 5 one week, Season 6 the next week, etc.). With a 5-7 DVD release, it's still a lot of money to lay down ALL AT ONCE, and I think it'd be naive of FOX to expect fans of the show to lay down that kind of money in this economic crisis.

They're clearly not paying attention...

Ed

Brilliant news!!

Now for our next project the Bob Newhart Show seasons 5 & 6!!!!!

No one said S5-7 would have to be packaged as a set. Couldn't they just come out individually on May 5, too? That way even the most casual fan would be able to get something within their budget. If I were Fox, that's how I'd do it. But of course, we all know I'm not, LOL.

And Monika, yeah, it would be awesome. But I don't think you should hold your breath, hehe!

That's definitely another option they could do. I just don't see why a complete series set has to be the only way to get 5-7 on DVD.

Let's just hope this set will be great - I'm hoping for some good new bonus features to go along with it. A booklet, with episodes and all that, is also another feature they could add.

I really hope seasons 5-7 are released individually after this box set comes out. I already have seasons 1-3 so this is kind of pointless... :confused:

Brilliant news!!

Now for our next project the Bob Newhart Show seasons 5 & 6!!!!!

omg agreed x100. Those last 2 seasons are long overdue. Even Bob himself wants them released!

That's definitely another option they could do. I just don't see why a complete series set has to be the only way to get 5-7 on DVD.

Let's just hope this set will be great - I'm hoping for some good new bonus features to go along with it. A booklet, with episodes and all that, is also another feature they could add.

Ooh, a booklet would be great! I hadn't thought of that. I know a lot of members here have said that the main thing is that the remaining eps. are coming, and I'm trying to stick to that frame of mind, really. But I can't get past the idea that there's so much more Fox could do if they wanted to.

- Kristen

omg agreed x100. Those last 2 seasons are long overdue. Even Bob himself wants them released!
YES!!!! I love Bob and his shows. They are sooooooooooo underrated!!!!

Ooh, a booklet would be great! I hadn't thought of that. I know a lot of members here have said that the main thing is that the remaining eps. are coming, and I'm trying to stick to that frame of mind, really. But I can't get past the idea that there's so much more Fox could do if they wanted to.

- Kristen
Maybe we should get Oprah in on this.

Hey, why couldn't OPRAH buy the rights and get the sets out? I think she had more pull than all the people at Fox COMBINED!!!!!

Maybe we should get Oprah in on this.

Hey, why couldn't OPRAH buy the rights and get the sets out? I think she had more pull than all the people at Fox COMBINED!!!!!
Seriously! I bet she was thrilled with the news. God knows she can afford to buy the complete series! ;) I've been wondering if, with Mary's book and all, Oprah will have her back on just so she'll have an excuse to plug the DVD's, lol. Knowing Oprah, I wouldn't put it past her!

Seriously! I bet she was thrilled with the news. God knows she can afford to buy the complete series! ;) I've been wondering if, with Mary's book and all, Oprah will have her back on just so she'll have an excuse to plug the DVD's, lol. Knowing Oprah, I wouldn't put it past her!
We can only hope!! ;)

Kristen, you'd have to make sure you were at that show, as I'm sure Oprah would give audience members the complete box set!

Amazon lists the complete series for pre-order for $125.99. Seems reasonable to me.

Amazon lists the complete series for pre-order for $125.99. Seems reasonable to me.


Me too! I've pre-ordered MTM and Rhoda :)

to those who are gonna buy the box set, is it better to buy from a particular spot?
do we wanna preorder from amazon off tvshowsondvd.com, as the email pitch asked?
i was thinking of waiting for it to hit best buy or barnes and noble, but i'll take suggestions

Well...I usually look for the best price. I may cancel my Amazon order if a store like Best Buy has a good deal. Online is hard to beat though. Deepdiscountdvd.com sometimes has great deals as well!

I look for the best price too. I usually find that Amazon's preorder price and DeepDiscountDVD's prices are the cheapest.

Amazon lists the complete series for pre-order for $125.99. Seems reasonable to me.

For those looking only to get Seasons 5-7, that's well over $41 a season. No thanks. I'm waiting until the single releases happen, and it will happen.

Ed

I was just poking around Amazon.com to see about pre-ordering TMTMS (I probably won't, but only because I'm concerned about spyware/credit card no. issues on my computer) and there are some ANGRY people out there!
It seems like one group has decided to post negative reviews about the product to stick it to fox home entertainment, and the vitriol is flowing.

The whole handling of this show's DVD release really is a bummer, and what stunned me was what one of the posters wrote and that I hadn't thought about...the first season (way overpriced) was released in 2002 (I think), and here it is 2009 and we still don't have three of the seasons! That's UNBELIEVABLE, and of course they're making anybody who wants the complete set now re-pay for four seasons.

All that said I think I'm still going to get it, and here's my reasoning. I actually almost feel guilty (for not backing the solidarity of those who are ticked off), or even stupid (for paying so much). HOWEVER, somebody else also pointed out that if they don't get the complete set now, he/she may not LIVE to ever see fox home entertainment release the rest of the seasons singularly, and given what's happened so far I believe that is no small concern.

Life really is short, and if one wants to see these shows ASAP I guess one has to pay the price. But the show is so great I have to have it. What a devious scheme by Fox, but I'm sure the enjoyment I'm going to get will ease the pain.

I'm sure everyone will respect everyone else's decisions and viewpoints on such a tough choice...I know I do.

I'm going to stick it out and wait for single season releases just because I already have the first three seasons and don't want to have to repay and have two of both. If I had the money for the complete series though I'd definitely think about getting it because it'd be all there, no more waiting, hopefully a pretty box... :lol:

Yeah, I think I'm in the "wait it out" camp, too. PGood, I saw those reviews this morning. I can't say I blame the posters entirely. I think this complete series is a dumb idea, but I do agree that they're going about it the wrong way. I'm sure Fox has already seen that the fans are upset, so I don't really think those reviews will have any effect. But, of course, there is something to be said for venting. ;)

I just really hope Fox doesn't keep us waiting TOO much longer for an official announcement. I think we're due for some details!

Yeah, I think I'm in the "wait it out" camp, too. PGood, I saw those reviews this morning. I can't say I blame the posters entirely. I think this complete series is a dumb idea, but I do agree that they're going about it the wrong way. I'm sure Fox has already seen that the fans are upset, so I don't really think those reviews will have any effect. But, of course, there is something to be said for venting. ;)

I just really hope Fox doesn't keep us waiting TOO much longer for an official announcement. I think we're due for some details!
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY past due! :mad:

I went ahead and pre order this set on Amazon. I only had season 1 on DVD.But I was short on cash a few years ago and I sold it off. I so regret doing that,and I have been meening to rebuy season 1 and buy the other season sets. But I have yet done it. So now when I scene this was up for pre order I figured what the hell.
Yeah it is pretty poor the studios doing this stuff. Considering how crappy things are now.
So FOX is doing the same thing that HIT did with Fraggle Rock is that correct?
Yeah I'm a big Jim Henson fan and I was very angry when HIT decided to not release the final season set of Fraggle Rock and instead do a complete series set. I ended up importing the final season set from Australia. No way I was going to buy that box set to get the final season.

the question is whether FOX is going to do the same thing that HIT did with Fraggle Rock and make the complete series boxset a ridiculously crappy set with horrible packaging (half of the disks come loose in shipping and there is NOTHING to protect them from being all scratched up and unplayable) and stripped out all the extras that came with the individual seasons, and left the packaging as sparse as possible without even the single-sentence episode descriptions?

...my guess is they are going to produce it as cheap as possible to make a quick buck off of it, then maybe they will license the remaining individual seasons out to some other studio after another few years or so.

I 'm still waiting for the official press release, what the packaging looks like and how the dvds fit, and also if there are any new extras, before I decide to buy the set, or wait and see if the seasons come out individually. I too have the first 4 seasons, but this is one of my all time favorite shows. Rhoda, however no question--I can't wait for that!

the question is whether FOX is going to do the same thing that HIT did with Fraggle Rock and make the complete series boxset a ridiculously crappy set with horrible packaging (half of the disks come loose in shipping and there is NOTHING to protect them from being all scratched up and unplayable) and stripped out all the extras that came with the individual seasons, and left the packaging as sparse as possible without even the single-sentence episode descriptions?

...my guess is they are going to produce it as cheap as possible to make a quick buck off of it, then maybe they will license the remaining individual seasons out to some other studio after another few years or so.

Well if there going to be package that way I will be canceling my order?
Yeah I read all the compliants about The Fraggle Rock series set,and other TV box sets.
I have yet bought The Cosby Show complete series set as I heard compliants about that one as well.
Dont know what these studios are thinking when they make these crappy box sets?

Count me among the "waiting it out" crowd. What we have here folks is a classic case of "bait and switch". Fox makes us wait forever to get the first four single season releases, then wants us to purchase them again in order to get the remaining three seasons??? I may have been born at night but it wasn't LAST NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW the listing at Amazon makes for some mighty interesting reading and the villagers are clearly not happy!!!

Count me among the "waiting it out" crowd. What we have here folks is a classic case of "bait and switch". Fox makes us wait forever to get the first four single season releases, then wants us to purchase them again in order to get the remaining three seasons??? I may have been born at night but it wasn't LAST NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW the listing at Amazon makes for some mighty interesting reading and the villagers are clearly not happy!!!
Someone should send the Amazon comments to the Fox people. :mad:

Someone should send the Amazon comments to the Fox people. :mad:

Lacklustre sales will speak volumes more than any comments/emails would. Since FOX has already invested $$ in Seasons 5-7, they'll want a return on what they put into it. When the complete series flops in sales, they'll re-release Seasons 5-7 as separate releases.

Honest folks, it's going to happen. Just relax and wait it out. Even the folks at www.tvshowsondvd.com agree with me: http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mary-Tyler-Moore-The-Complete-Series/11292

But yes, the economy is bad right now and Fox is certainly asking a lot to require folks to repurchase seasons that they may already own, in order to get the remaining episodes. Our advice? "Be patient". If this complete series sells well enough, then it will be a no-brainer for FOX to take the already-mastered discs for Seasons 5, 6 and 7, and go ahead and release them individually. Is that already part of their plans? Not to our knowledge, but then again, it makes sense that it could, would and should happen down the line. Stay tuned and we'll let you know if we hear anything.


Seems I'm in good company. I'd say by the fall of this year we'll hear of something. FOX will want to put out "new" product at no cost to them and one of those "new" products will be separate seasons of 5-7, just in time for Christmas.

If you ask me, it's probably already part of their plans. They just want to see how many are desperate enough to buy the complete series first. If an announcement was made that 5-7 was coming out individually, many would simply wait it out instead of forking over $$ to buy the complete set. FOX is counting on people not having enough common sense to know this. Let's prove them wrong, shall we???


Ed

^ You bring up some good points, Ed. We'll just have to wait and see.

I remember a couple of years ago, there was a release of all of Barbra Streisand's TV specials (from the 60s and early 70s) in one boxed set. About three months later they were released seperatley...which pleased all her fans who didn't have the money to buy the 'boxed set' in the first place.

I have a feeling the same will be done with 'Mary Tyler Moore'. They probably want to release the boxed set first - and see what happens financially.

I remember a couple of years ago, there was a release of all of Barbra Streisand's TV specials (from the 60s and early 70s) in one boxed set. About three months later they were released seperatley...which pleased all her fans who didn't have the money to buy the 'boxed set' in the first place.

I have a feeling the same will be done with 'Mary Tyler Moore'. They probably want to release the boxed set first - and see what happens financially.

Yes, it's done all the time in an attempt to maximize profits so that companies see a return on their investment. I just think it's mean spirited of FOX to do that when the economy is so bad, that's all. The US is heading into a depression and it's corporate greed like the one FOX is exhibiting that is largely responsible.

I, as one of the "little people" that corporations don't give a whit about, intend to not play their game. I will wait for when the sets are released separately. I may not have power over them, but at least they don't have power over me.

Ed (feeling empowered in Somerset, MA)

^ Very well said! These same corporate bigwigs then wonder why the average Joe resorts to bootlegs? :rolleyes:

Lacklustre sales will speak volumes more than any comments/emails would. Since FOX has already invested $$ in Seasons 5-7, they'll want a return on what they put into it. When the complete series flops in sales, they'll re-release Seasons 5-7 as separate releases.

Honest folks, it's going to happen. Just relax and wait it out. Even the folks at www.tvshowsondvd.com agree with me: http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mary-Tyler-Moore-The-Complete-Series/11292


I wish I shared your optimism, Ed, but I won't believe it until I see it.

I just noticed that the Amazon pages for S5 and 6 are gone. I wonder if that's a bad sign for indvidual releases. I don't know for sure, but it certainly doesn't look good, does it?

I wish I shared your optimism, Ed, but I won't believe it until I see it.
Ditto. I don't see individual season releases coming out - at least not any time soon. BOOOOOO!! :mad:

Ditto. I don't see individual season releases coming out - at least not any time soon. BOOOOOO!! :mad:

I have a feeling that the attitude of FOX is "Let's just get the whole series out and then all these people will quit bothering us about when will this be released."

I would accept a big box of the last 3 seasons, but one that includes ALL the seasons that have already been released - and easily available - is just a kick in the teeth to the fans.

I hope its packaged bookshelf style, maybe all the seasons in separate cases, fit in another large case, so that each one is accessable, without having to grab the entire series, open it up, and find a certain episode you want. I don't like most box sets because they're hard to store and are difficult to access, in addition to some of the flimsey and unprotective sets that have been mentioned.

I hope its packaged bookshelf style, maybe all the seasons in separate cases, fit in another large case, so that each one is accessable, without having to grab the entire series, open it up, and find a certain episode you want. I don't like most box sets because they're hard to store and are difficult to access, in addition to some of the flimsey and unprotective sets that have been mentioned.
I prefer the slim keepcases myself, but we'll see.

I have a feeling that the attitude of FOX is "Let's just get the whole series out and then all these people will quit bothering us about when will this be released."

I would accept a big box of the last 3 seasons, but one that includes ALL the seasons that have already been released - and easily available - is just a kick in the teeth to the fans.

A 5-7 box set would also be my first choice. Or maybe seperate sets for seasons 5-7, but just packaged together or released on the same day. Also count me in for the "waiting it out" crowd.

Well Rhoda First Season official press release came out today, now when are we going to get MTM big box press release?????

Well Rhoda First Season official press release came out today, now when are we going to get MTM big box press release?????


For one thing, RHODA is being released by SHOUT! Factory, and considering how Fox is getting hung in effigy on Amazon.com regarding the way they're handling this whole MTM fiasco, I really don't think they're in that big of a hurry to get a press release together.

Lacklustre sales will speak volumes more than any comments/emails would. Since FOX has already invested $$ in Seasons 5-7, they'll want a return on what they put into it. When the complete series flops in sales, they'll re-release Seasons 5-7 as separate releases.

Ah, but if you believe the conspiracy theorists and think Fox purposely wants this to fail so they can bury TMTMS once and for all, lackluster sales alone will work AGAINST us. Better to not buy it AND send a mail to Fox saying why you won't buy it. That combination is the only better way to change the way things are handled by them.

Ah, but if you believe the conspiracy theorists and think Fox purposely wants this to fail so they can bury TMTMS once and for all, lackluster sales alone will work AGAINST us. Better to not buy it AND send a mail to Fox saying why you won't buy it. That combination is the only better way to change the way things are handled by them.

Perhaps, but aren't the conspiracy theories a bit much? FOX isn't bound to release the series. They could've left it buried after Season 4, citing poor sales, and there'd be nothing anyone could say about it. They didn't have the rest of the show remastered when Season 4 came out a couple of years ago. Why go through the trouble and expense to acquire the rights for Seasons 5-7 and transfer them onto DVD if FOX wants the show to fail? In this economy, I'm sure FOX will want to see a return on ANY series it puts out, and that would include this show.

Sorry, but I don't see it. Your suggestion to write to FOX is a good one nonetheless. Any way they can be made aware of how their consumers feel is a good idea. I just think that as a business, they've invested $$ in putting the show out, and will want to see a return on their investment. This complete series thing is a way for them to capitalize on people's panic. I think once the dust settles, the show will see individual releases of Seasons 5-7 before long.

Even when FOX had no intention of releasing Season 2 (Season 1 had done abysmally in sales), FOX re-released Season 1 as single disc releases to try to entice people to take a chance on the show so it could make some money back on what it invested in. They only had the rights for the first 2 seasons at that point and were ready to consider it buried. Those of us who remember the series stalling after Season 1's release will know what I'm talking about.

Ed

I think FOX just wants to sell as many of the big box sets as possible and doesn't CARE that people are angry about it - they are counting on people to double dip, and will only release the last three seasons separately when it makes sense to do so financially, ie when the sales of the big box have stalled.

...and I think that no matter what happens, it is still a good idea to write them and explain why you are angry and why you won't buy the big box set - even though they don't care.

Yes I hope that the theories are just that. There's too much in way of egos and politics played in the entertainment business, so one can never be sure. But I understand that Fox is a business, and art and catering to hardcore fans of said art has to take a back seat sometimes in making a business work. And I guess everyone is feeling the way the economy is now, from up top there to down here. It's reality, even if (to borrow a phrase) Reality Bites.

And Roby, so what if they "don't care." That's the idea, you get them to care. But you'll never know unless you try. Fan campaigns have worked in the past in other things, after all. Hopefully we can at least get the best of both worlds, if they MUST have the complete series we can at least ask for an alternative alongside it.

Here is a link to a discussion from the hometheater forum about this release. They already took the release date off of Amazon. Please post positive reviews on Amazon and stop the venom and complaining. Are you trying to stop any release at all? Stop ASSUMING and ruining it for everyone else. You will be able to get individual sets for a reasonable price. If you buy dvds on a regular basis you know the prices come way down soon after the official release. IT ALWAYS HAPPENS and it is happening in shorter periods of time than ever before. The complete everybody loves raymond for $65, the complete odd couple for $85 a month after the official release. Relax and hope they don't give up on the project.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/sd-dvd-tv-shows-tv-movies/282053-mary-tyler-moore-show-complete-series-set-coming-8.html

Here is a link to a discussion from the hometheater forum about this release. They already took the release date off of Amazon. Please post positive reviews on Amazon and stop the venom and complaining. Are you trying to stop any release at all? Stop ASSUMING and ruining it for everyone else. You will be able to get individual sets for a reasonable price. If you buy dvds on a regular basis you know the prices come way down soon after the official release. IT ALWAYS HAPPENS and it is happening in shorter periods of time than ever before. The complete everybody loves raymond for $65, the complete odd couple for $85 a month after the official release. Relax and hope they don't give up on the project.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/sd-dvd-tv-shows-tv-movies/282053-mary-tyler-moore-show-complete-series-set-coming-8.html

We don't want it to be all-or-nothing, I'm sure. Just to have an alternative for those who already bought the first four seasons (unless they did something special to the first four for this complete set; i.e. restore lost music, more extras, etc. Since I doubt that, yeah. Alternative, please.)

I can understand things like wanting to make sure there's a profit from this project, maybe have it all there for new viewers who missed it the first time (but the original DVDs aren't out of print...), etc. etc. But still. The fans tend to wonder why there must be a catch to finally completing the series.

And actually, I hate complaining too. And I wanted to put a positive review on Amazon...but in support of TMTMS. I dislike being reminded of "injustices," naturally, but also as I said elsewhere...it kind of dampens what is being complained about in general for me. (like I can't think of MTM and not think of this situation and not be happy about watching the show)

Come on folks, you actually think FOX is going to stop the release because of complaints? They're going to walk away from potentially making some money because some fans hurt their feelings? I can't say it often enough. You need to stop overreacting and start thinking like a business.

They're in it for the money, period. It doesn't matter how many people moan and complain. The only thing that may result is that FOX will turn around and release separate season sets (which I'm all for, by the way), but to cancel it altogether after they invested $$ in getting the shows ready for DVD release? Never happen.

They'd never walk away from a money maker simply because a few fans complained. If you were a DVD business out to make money, would you?

Ed

I will admit there was a lot of conclusion-jumping going on here, and I was definitely one of the ones who jumped. But I still think the complaints had a legitimate basis, even if they were posted a bit too quickly. I guess when people wait so long without any kind of information, they tend to jump on whatever rumors there are. Any news is better than nothing sometimes. That's why I just wish Fox would put a stop to all this by just making some kind of official statement!

Hi everybody-I just checked the Amazon.com listing and it states under studio release that it is MGM. Maybe this is wrong. Can someone find out about this? And if indeed this is coming out, why is Amazon the only online retailer to carry it right now? Very strange indeed. Well, I do hope the last three seasons come out by a major studio. I am getting worried that all the bad reviews have stopped the release. I mean there has been no official announcement of any kind. Why is Fox being so quiet about this? If anybody learns anything, keep us posted.

Part of the strategy is to make no announcement so that those fans who are on the fence about buying the complete set will become more rabid about buying it. And it's working isn't it.

I understand the nervousness, but at the end of the day, common sense has to prevail. FOX is out to make money. Their goal isn't to honor the legacy of the show. Nor do they have it out to hurt the fans. They just want to make money for their stockholders. Plain and simple.

I think what will either happen is one of two things:

1) The complete set will be released (it's a given since they've already been made up) and not do well because the economy is in the toilet. Fans who want the complete set will, for the most part, not be able to afford to buy it. This will leave FOX to try to make good on their remaining seasons by releasing 5-7 as separate seasons.

2) If, for some reason, sales are so abysmal that FOX folds the series altogether and chooses NOT to release Seasons 5-7 in individual sets (which would be a stupid move since they'd be more apt to sell that way; hopefully their sales team realizes this), at some point the stores (either local or online, like Amazon, half.com, etc.) will want to get the non-selling set off their shelves, which will mean that the set will be sold for dirt cheap. So either way, we'll end up with our episodes.

Please take a breath folks and try to reason. Yes, how they've treated the show is frustrating, but ultimately, we're just statistics to them. They're not out to get us or to inflict pain. They simply want to make a return on what they've poured money into. Part of doing that is to make the fans think no individual season releases are coming for Seasons 5-7. They're trying to see how many they can dupe into buying the complete set before making the announcement that season sets are coming. It's a crappy economy and they're trying to make a fast buck.

We never got an announcement that 5-7 were NOT to be released individually later on, no? And if they had told us that 5-7 were to be released individually later on, how many would fork over the cash to buy the complete set then? They know this and so they've kept quiet. It's all a business maneuvre and nothing more.

I'd bank on it.

Ed

Yes, Fox would save everyone (including themselves!) a lot of grief if they just let us know what's going on!! :confused:

Yes, Fox would save everyone (including themselves!) a lot of grief if they just let us know what's going on!! :confused:
AMEN TO THAT, Monika!! How come we always agree? I guess we must be "great minds," LOL.

AMEN TO THAT, Monika!! How come we always agree? I guess we must be "great minds," LOL.
Of course!! :bighug:

uh-oh

as you know, even though i side with the people who are irate about having to buy the first four seasons again, i went ahead and pre-ordered with amazon

but i just got an email from amazon saying they are having trouble filling the order and to basically tell them if you're still interested...which unfortunately i couldn't even do because of a computer glitch

so why do i have the feeling fox might be pulling back now just to spite all of us? anybody got any other ideas what that email could mean????

i've got half a mind to just buy the bootleg seasons and be done with it...i don't care about extras or small trims...I JUST WANT THE WHOLE SERIES!!!!

I've heard of others getting emails like that. Unfortunately, I don't know what they mean. LOL. I would LOVE to think that Fox has changed their minds and are going to release S5-7 seperately, but of course we have no evidence of that. Over at the Home Theater Forum, there was a lot of speculation that the project was dropped due to negative reviews. My best advice is to wait, and see if/when we get official info from Fox before going to bootlegs.

Waiting is certainly frustrating, esp. when it seems like that's ALL we've been doing! LOL

I also got the email that the set was delayed but I was able to use the link confirming that I still want the set. I ordered a second set and have not received the email yet. My best advice is to post positive reviews on Amazon and ask everyone you know to also post positve reviews. If you can order the set that would be the best thing, but I don't want to make that presumption.

I think it just means that FOX is delaying the release of the set for whatever reason. It doesn't mean it's cancelled. Doing so would result in FOX losing $$ that they put into acquiring the rights to release it. They're not about to do that.

Perhaps it had to do with the set's design or they're aiming at a better time to release it so that there's more of a demand (the holidays perhaps?). It could be for a bunch of reasons. I'm not surprised since it was hardly spoken of in a definitive manner. We weren't even given a glimpse of cover art.

One thing is for sure is that it's not cancelled. If that were the case, amazon wouldn't be telling people to re-order it. Why do so if it's to never come out?

Just my 2 cents. Hope it makes some of you feel better. That is ultimately my goal... :)

Ed

bad news people
tvshowsondvd.com is confirming that the complete set of TMTMS has been delayed
there's a new thread about the topic below this one on the main page

NOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HATE FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Will they please just give us the shows???

ha ha
my thoughts exactly, LauraNamesake
you might have even heard my scream when i got the news!

I've heard of others getting emails like that. Unfortunately, I don't know what they mean. LOL. I would LOVE to think that Fox has changed their minds and are going to release S5-7 seperately, but of course we have no evidence of that. Over at the Home Theater Forum, there was a lot of speculation that the project was dropped due to negative reviews. My best advice is to wait, and see if/when we get official info from Fox before going to bootlegs.

Waiting is certainly frustrating, esp. when it seems like that's ALL we've been doing! LOL

My Lord! Talk about people cutting off their noses to spite their face. I own all four seasons of TMTMS and I pre-ordered the box set because (wait for it) ...

I WANT THE ENTIRE SHOW!!!

I have no idea what those who have chosen to throw a collective hissy tantrum about Fox are thinking. I want to extend a personal and bitter THANKS to those who may have caused a delay or cancellation of this release. I've been waiting for several years for this and now it looks like it's down the toilet.

I've waited three long years since season four was released and was overjoyed that this box set was going to be released. But oh no. Not now! OK, so you own the first four seasons. So what? Sell them! Give them away! Donate them! Do anything but WHINE about it. Stop acting like petulant children and STOP screwing up my opportunity to own the whole damn show!

I understand you're frustrated. We ALL are. But wouldn't it be better to have individual seasons than a box set right now? Good things come to those who wait, or so they say. We don't know what Fox has up their sleeves, so I don't really see a point in getting all worked up when we have so few actual details.

- Krsiten

TVsodvd says thats just a rumor about the cancellation. But I wish they would put out the official press release so we know whats going on! Atleast we have Rhoda, which started after season 4 of MTM, so the timing is right for that!

My Lord! Talk about people cutting off their noses to spite their face. I own all four seasons of TMTMS and I pre-ordered the box set because (wait for it) ...

I WANT THE ENTIRE SHOW!!!

I have no idea what those who have chosen to throw a collective hissy tantrum about Fox are thinking. I want to extend a personal and bitter THANKS to those who may have caused a delay or cancellation of this release. I've been waiting for several years for this and now it looks like it's down the toilet.


Are you kidding me? Do you have any idea how much FOX has paid to acquire the rights to release Seasons 5-7? Don't you think they would want to see a return on their investment by releasing the show? You actually think they'll walk away from that because a few fans posted some nasty emails? With the way the economy is, they're not going to reneg on an opportunity to make money, even if all of MTMS fandom pitches a fit.

If you truly think the series set is cancelled due to fans complaining about it, then you're more in the dark than the people you're complaining about.


Ed

I have no idea what those who have chosen to throw a collective hissy tantrum about Fox are thinking. I want to extend a personal and bitter THANKS to those who may have caused a delay or cancellation of this release. I've been waiting for several years for this and now it looks like it's down the toilet.

I've waited three long years since season four was released and was overjoyed that this box set was going to be released. But oh no. Not now! OK, so you own the first four seasons. So what? Sell them! Give them away! Donate them! Do anything but WHINE about it. Stop acting like petulant children and STOP screwing up my opportunity to own the whole damn show!

There is no need for you to come in here and wave your finger at us fans and throw blame on the people who have an issue with the way the series was being released. People have a right to their voice and their opinions, and the right to express those opinions if they agree with you or not. But for you to come in here and blame the fans when you do not know anymore than I do or anyone else what the official reason for the delay is causes you to look like the "petulant child" that you're accusing everyone else of being.

It's a TV series, not a liver or kidney ... you can live without the final 3 seasons for awhile until an official release is made. Do not come here and accuse people of "screwing up my opportunity to own the whole damn show!" You're not the only one who wants this series, and if the release of The Mary Tyler Moore Show on DVD is the biggest problem you may face in your life, then God bless ya because some of us have a lot more weighing on us like the economy and terminally ill family members.

There is no need for you to come in here and wave your finger at us fans and throw blame on the people who have an issue with the way the series was being released. People have a right to their voice and their opinions, and the right to express those opinions if they agree with you or not.

Correct. I never said they didn't have that right.

But for you to come in here and blame the fans when you do not know anymore than I do or anyone else what the official reason for the delay is causes you to look like the "petulant child" that you're accusing everyone else of being.

Wrong. First we've had nearly three years of whining about Fox not releasing the final three seasons of the show. So when Fox actually DOES something about it, releasing the entire series in one, all inclusive box set. It has lead to the foot stomping, holding of breath, throwing one's self on the floor in protest and the flood of petulant comments on Amazon.com.

GOOOD JOB everyone! That'll show 'em!

It's a TV series, not a liver or kidney ... you can live without the final 3 seasons for awhile until an official release is made.

And it's not a heart, big toe or left eyelid either. ???

Do not come here and accuse people of "screwing up my opportunity to own the whole damn show!"

You bet I will! I've monitored this forum for many years and have seen the years of complaining that the final three seasons haven't been released. When that FINALLY looked like it was going to happen, some people threw their petty protest and screwed up what looked like the golden opportunity of owning the whole show.

You're not the only one who wants this series, and if the release of The Mary Tyler Moore Show on DVD is the biggest problem you may face in your life, then God bless ya because some of us have a lot more weighing on us like the economy and terminally ill family members.

What are you talking about? it's an extremely far stretch for you to tie my commentary of the release of a TV show to a presumably (??) terminally ill family member (??) of yours. If these are your biggest concerns, why are you hanging out in a sitcom forum? Good Lord! Unplug from the internet and attend to business.

Bringing a little civility back to this thread:

I may be behind the curve on this, and some of you already may have seen it, but the following was posted March 5 on amazon.com under the five-star comments for the release of TMTMS/The Complete Series boxed set. (There are also four times as many one-star comments from people ticked off at 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment for releasing a boxed set, and not the seasons individually)

It's from a "DL in LA" and it goes like this:

Several weeks ago I made a call to the office of the president of Fox Home Entertainment. I suggested they check out the comments here and see how many fans of the show they were alienating with their "strategy" to release the box set of the series, forcing loyal fans of the show to pay a second time for seasons 1 -4. Today I received a call from a VP at FHE informing me that this was all a miscommunication and that they would first release the remaining seasons of MTM Show and then see if there was a need for a box set. She said they were very pleased with how the individual seasons had sold and didn't want to upset the loyal fans of the show. While I had her I also asked about the remaining seasons of the Bob Newhart Show and she said they'd also be releasing that, although she didn't have firm dates for any of this.

If this is true, it's good news for all concerned!!!! True, subsequent to that, the delay in the project was announced, but maybe they'll get back on track soon, and maybe it'll be in individual seasons!

(I went bootleg, and have enjoyed watching seasons 5-7 the last few weeks, but I'd still buy the individual seasons for the packaging/extras.)

PGood, I saw that the other day, and was planning to PM you about it to see what your reaction was. I so hope it's true! If it's all just a miscommunication, though, why wouldn't Fox say so? Wouldn't they want to stop the fans from getting more upset? That's the one thing I can't figure out.

- Kristen

PGood, I saw that the other day, and was planning to PM you about it to see what your reaction was. I so hope it's true! If it's all just a miscommunication, though, why wouldn't Fox say so? Wouldn't they want to stop the fans from getting more upset? That's the one thing I can't figure out.

- Kristen

Probably because they're not really that concerned about the fans. Their primary goal is to make money and they know fans of this show are eager for more releases, so they're not losing anything by keeping us on the hook. Still, it's great news. I've always thought the idea of a complete set coming out before the last 3 seasons was downright stupid and unnecessarily cruel to the fans since most, unlike myself, would panic and buy the exorbitant item. It's encouraging that this may not be the case. It's about time we fans got a bone thrown to us.

Ed :)

JMHO, but:

i don't think 20th century fox home entertainment (20CFHE) has a real good handle on public relations...i remember when i called way back when to help get the ball rolling, the guy was petrified about our group shutting down his computer with emails, when if i could have gotten 15 of you to write i would have been surprised

then later stuff gets leaked, but without official announcements

this other guy in LA must have found the number, and as proof of them not really wanting to deal with the public if at all possible the 20CFHE head honcho got an underling to respond

but methinks they must have gotten wind of the negative rating on amazon and wondered why, and then seen all the bad feedback...even 20CFHE has to be smart enough to realize it's win-win if they do it season by season now

since i've gone bootleg, i don't have as much passion about the issue, and i probably would have bought the complete set, but i am amazed and in admiration of all you people who banded together...and it may actually have worked!

As much as I hate thinking this (much less saying it!), I guess it's just a waiting game now. Unfortunately, those of us who don't go the bootleg route are at Fox's mercy. They know this, and that's why they're dragging their feet. Maybe the folks at TVShowsonDVD.com have heard about these latest rumors and can get them cleared up soon. They'd prob. have a better shot at it than any of us would.

- Kristen

Here is what I think:

The main reason for the high number of complaints on Amazon is the economy. Had economy been in a better shape, fewer of us would think it a problem to pay twice for something we like, but do not need. At this time, most are not buying anything except the basics. This is a luxury item which many would be able to live without.
FOX would not be “upset” about some remarks and decide to lose money on a project they have already invested on. They have bought the show and will make money from it one way or another. Reading the remarks might have made it clear to them that at this time they would not be able to make as much as they thought.
They will wait until the economy picks up and then will release the show in one form or another. But, they will release it when more fans would be able to afford it. After all, the more fans wait, the more excited they would be!

Peace!

As much as I hate thinking this (much less saying it!), I guess it's just a waiting game now. Unfortunately, those of us who don't go the bootleg route are at Fox's mercy. They know this, and that's why they're dragging their feet.

The bottom line is this: Fox wasn't dragging their feet. They were going to roll out the entire series in one, all inclusive box set. And as an owner (and purchaser) of the first four seasons, I was beyond overjoyed at the announcement.

Fox wasn't dragging their feet. Unfortunately, severe drag was applied elsewhere.

Check out this link. Does this mean anything?

http://www.amazon.com/Mary-Tyler-Moore-Show-Complete/dp/B0011N19HI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1243815580&sr=1-1


Bringing a little civility back to this thread:

I may be behind the curve on this, and some of you already may have seen it, but the following was posted March 5 on amazon.com under the five-star comments for the release of TMTMS/The Complete Series boxed set. (There are also four times as many one-star comments from people ticked off at 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment for releasing a boxed set, and not the seasons individually)

It's from a "DL in LA" and it goes like this:

Several weeks ago I made a call to the office of the president of Fox Home Entertainment. I suggested they check out the comments here and see how many fans of the show they were alienating with their "strategy" to release the box set of the series, forcing loyal fans of the show to pay a second time for seasons 1 -4. Today I received a call from a VP at FHE informing me that this was all a miscommunication and that they would first release the remaining seasons of MTM Show and then see if there was a need for a box set. She said they were very pleased with how the individual seasons had sold and didn't want to upset the loyal fans of the show. While I had her I also asked about the remaining seasons of the Bob Newhart Show and she said they'd also be releasing that, although she didn't have firm dates for any of this.

If this is true, it's good news for all concerned!!!! True, subsequent to that, the delay in the project was announced, but maybe they'll get back on track soon, and maybe it'll be in individual seasons!

(I went bootleg, and have enjoyed watching seasons 5-7 the last few weeks, but I'd still buy the individual seasons for the packaging/extras.)

I just checked Amazon and a complete boxset of the series isn't available. Season 5 is available for pre-order, but it doesn't list a release date for it. I guess they decided not to release the entire series at once.

Thats great news,I totally agree its important to let the powers that be know,how we feel,having to rebuy seasons 1-4 again would have not been an option for me but if they are releasing the thre remaining seasons of MTMS I'll buy them.
I left a message on Shout Factory's facebook page saying although I bought the "Rhoda" DVD set,its such a shame so many episodes are edited,particularly Mary's guest appearance cut out of the pilot,they haven't left a comment back,yet.

June 15, and I just got a delay notice from amazon.com on the release of Season 5.
I'm betting the economy is croaking the release of this title and many others.

I got that same email last night. It's beginning to feel like this is never going to happen. lol

- Kristen

thanks for The Head's up

June 15, and I just got a delay notice from amazon.com on the release of Season 5.
I'm betting the economy is croaking the release of this title and many others.

If not for the collective fits thrown, we'd all be enjoying our complete Mary Tyler Moore Series box sets by now.

If not for the collective fits thrown, we'd all be enjoying our complete Mary Tyler Moore Series box sets by now.

Good God man, give it a rest will you? Nothing has been cancelled so chill out. Those of us who have paid for the first 4 seasons have a right to be a bit miffed that in order to have the whole show, we have to buy a complete set (which in essence means we're buying Seasons 1-4 twice). Your desire to have the whole show at this very moment is supposed to take precedent?

We will get the whole series and that is guaranteed. For FOX to offer the complete set means that they've already done the digital transfer for the DVDs, including the last three seasons. While FOX can more than afford that, it still is a hefty investment of money on their end. No way are they going to throw potential money away because of fans moaning and groaning. That's no way for them to recoup on their investment. Would you halt a release if fans complained? Not likely. You'd just come up with another strategy to release your product, and that is what FOX is doing. Those dates at amazon were never confirmed. They were, at best, hypothetical dates placed by fans who guessed that the release dates would be sometime in the summer. My guess is that FOX is going to release Season 5 probably around the fall or holiday season. With the postponement of the complete series set and some fans paranoia about whether more is coming out, delaying the release further will create that much more of a demand. FOX knows this.

Secondly, I have a few "complete series" sets and they're hardly worth the money, even though at first glance it looks handy to have everything contained in one box. Complete sets are usually packed shoddily with flimsy casing made out of plastic that typically scratches the DVDs, so chances are good that one of the DVDs out of the set will need replacing at some point. What recourse would we have then if only the complete series is available? Buy another DVD set? Sorry, I don't care if this bothers you to the extent that it does. We fans deserve better than that.

I love the show just as much as you or the others that post here, but remember, it is only a show. I don't mean that to denigrate its value, for I want the complete series as much as anyone, but it's still only a show. And if you think over the situation like a businessman instead of a rabid dog hungry for scraps of meat, you'll see that we're not in danger of losing the rest of the three seasons. We will get them. It just takes patience and a little common sense.

In the meantime, please try to relax. We're all on the same page and we all want the same thing (the whole series) but please don't demonize us for not wanting to be financially raped in order to get it.

Mary Richards would definitely not have approved...

Ed

^^ That's a good point. I dont mind waiting, it gives me something to look forward too. This is coming from a girl who has only seen the first season and part of the second. I know tht some of you have seen the entire series already, so if I can wait, I'm sure that most of you can wait. I just wish that they would release each season seperately instead though, that way you can watch one season while waiting for the next to come out.

Ed,
Thanks for your insights. My only question is, if the digital transfer of all the eps. is done, as you say (not that I'm calling you a liar, I'm just trying to understand), why doesn't Fox just relase it now? I mean, the transfer is the hardest part, right? I guess they just want to toy with us, b/c they know they're the only (legal) source for these eps. I wish they'd just give up and sell the rights to Shout. I think they'd do a 100% better job. But I know that's not gonna happen.

Edit: Oh, and Miss Lisa, you should really try to get a hold of season 3 soon. Trust me, you haven't seen anything yet. And please do report back w/ your impressions of the "new" episodes once you see them!

- Kristen

Ed,
Thanks for your insights. My only question is, if the digital transfer of all the eps. is done, as you say (not that I'm calling you a liar, I'm just trying to understand), why doesn't Fox just relase it now?
- Kristen

I understand your confusion about this, but I think it's simply a matter of timing on FOX's end. They want to stall the release as to create more of a demand for the show. With no news about the show, they're probably counting on fans panicking that the show is stalled forever, which will create more buzz for the show as well as demand (hey, it worked for Season 2's release, right?).

I also think they'll wait until it's closer to the holidays (or at least maybe late Fall), especially given the economy. It's a strategy that makes it more likely that the sets will sell.

Yes, the digital transfers are done. They'd have to be in order for them to announce a "complete series" set. Too many things could go wrong in the interum if things were only projected and not set in stone. Licensing for any music issues, for instance, could crop up. Not that I think the show utilized any music... I'm just giving an example as to why studios wait until things are more or less set in stone before making announcements. A studio may let one season stall, but three? No way in hell...

FOX put in plenty of money in their projections for the complete set and they're going to want to recoup their money back. If not, they stand to lose more by letting THREE seasons sit on the shelf than they did with the over-priced Season 1 set. It just doesn't make any business sense on their end to kill it.

Hope this puts your mind at ease hon. Just know that it is happening. The question we all have (me included) is WHEN...

I'd say that the LATEST is around the holidays 2009, although, like many of you, I'm hoping it's EARLIER than that.

Ed

Thanks once again for clearing it up more. A lot of what you said is what I kind of suspected anyway. I get what you mean about creating demand, and this thread is proof it's working! lol From a business standpoint, it does make sense, but of course, as a fan, I'm like, "Just give it to us already!" lol

I'm sure Amazon would not have started taking pre-orders for S5 without some kind of word from Fox that they were serious about releasing it. So, if nothing else, that's good at least.

- Kristen

Nothing has been cancelled so chill out.

That's not entirely true. The entire season box set, which was well on its way, was indeed cancelled.

Those of us who have paid for the first 4 seasons have a right to be a bit miffed that in order to have the whole show, we have to buy a complete set (which in essence means we're buying Seasons 1-4 twice). Your desire to have the whole show at this very moment is supposed to take precedent?

I am among "those of us who have paid for the first 4 seasons" and I wasn't miffed in the least. I would've gladly sold my first four seasons on eBay, or half.com, or Half Price Books, or to a family member or in a garage sale or wherever.

I didn't whine and stomp my feet in protest when the complete M*A*S*H set was released. I sold my individual seasons (had 1-7) and bought the whole set. I didn't rage in protest on Amazon.com when the complete "Little House" set came out. I sold my first four seasons on eBay and gladly bought the whole set. Never did I feel "ripped off." I am glad to have everything self contained in one, all encompassing box set.

Now, you can't get miffed and my getting miffed at those who screwed up all of our chances to be enjoying seasons 5, 6 & 7 right this very day.

That's not entirely true. The entire season box set, which was well on its way, was indeed cancelled.

prove it.


I am among "those of us who have paid for the first 4 seasons" and I wasn't miffed in the least. I would've gladly sold my first four seasons on eBay, or half.com, or Half Price Books, or to a family member or in a garage sale or wherever.

I didn't whine and stomp my feet in protest when the complete M*A*S*H set was released. I sold my individual seasons (had 1-7) and bought the whole set. I didn't rage in protest on Amazon.com when the complete "Little House" set came out. I sold my first four seasons on eBay and gladly bought the whole set. Never did I feel "ripped off." I am glad to have everything self contained in one, all encompassing box set.

Now, you can't get miffed and my getting miffed at those who screwed up all of our chances to be enjoying seasons 5, 6 & 7 right this very day. nonsense - all FOX cares about is money - they certainly haven't been listening to the fans - THEIR POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS - when we were begging for them to release the remaining seasons and they definitely haven't been listening to anything else that has happened since, they will release the remaining seasons based on when they feel they will get the best return on their investment with absolutely no relevance to what happens here, on Amazon or anywhere else.

My prediction? Not even by the holidays...maybe next May, when "Big Box Set coming in May" will actually mean something again. It's been a long time since Season 4...I'm so glad I went the bootleg route, even though I'll probably still buy the remaining individual seasons.

I struggled with economics in college, but it is just baffling to me how a product in capitalist America that so many people are guaranteed to buy, even if it's not the amount the studio wanted, is not being produced.
SOMEBODY is screwing up here, I just don't know exactly who, because there's obviously SOME money to be made!
Maybe they really are playing the build up the interest game again.

I've been reading your poasts where you're jumping all over the fans for complaining about having to buy the first 4 seasons to get the hole series. I realize we have the option to sell or give away are copies of the first 4 seasons but the thing is, not everyone can afford to get a complete series set.

That's not entirely true. The entire season box set, which was well on its way, was indeed cancelled.

Sorry, but there's been no announcement stating as such. This is just speculation on your part, unless you're willing to present the forum with actual proof?

I am among "those of us who have paid for the first 4 seasons" and I wasn't miffed in the least. I would've gladly sold my first four seasons on eBay, or half.com, or Half Price Books, or to a family member or in a garage sale or wherever.

Good for you. I'm sure it'd be a guaranteed sell once everyone starts to do the same and the market is saturated with complete set buyers trying to sell off their first four seasons. :rolleyes:

I didn't whine and stomp my feet in protest when the complete M*A*S*H set was released. I sold my individual seasons (had 1-7) and bought the whole set.

How mature of you, but it's a different type of story for all seasons of MASH were released individually. You didn't have to buy the packaged complete set in order to own the whole series. Not the same situation at all.

I didn't rage in protest on Amazon.com when the complete "Little House" set came out. I sold my first four seasons on eBay and gladly bought the whole set. Never did I feel "ripped off." I am glad to have everything self contained in one, all encompassing box set.

Again, this is apples and oranges. Little House on the Prairie had ALL seasons released, including the three movies proceeding the series, before a complete set was issued. In fact, if memory serves me correctly, by the time the complete set was released, it was after a year that the last season was released, so there's no need to "rage in protest on Amazon.com".

Now, you can't get miffed and my getting miffed at those who screwed up all of our chances to be enjoying seasons 5, 6 & 7 right this very day.

Sure I can, but I'm less concerned about your temper tantrums than I am about how you address people. I think it is uncalled for and is indicative of how little you know of the business world. I hate to break it to you, but we barely register on FOX's radar, both here and at amazon. If that weren't the case, we'd have had the whole show released by now, along with the spinoffs. How much do you think amazon's sales add up to the whole picture of any company's profits? It's not even 50%.

And for what it's worth, you'll inevitably get your "complete" set once all the seasons are released. There'd be no possible loss of sale or potential backlash from the fans by then. It is just postponed, that's all. For some reason you don't want to believe that. It seems you're comfortable having your fits about it being cancelled, and then lashing out at those who you think are responsible. If that is so, by all means continue. I would suggest, however, a much less intense hobby.

"You know what? You got spunk... I hate spunk."

Especially from you MrMatt...


Ed

Hey, PGood, have you thought about giving Fox a call again? ;)

yeah kristen, i have thought about it, but i havent decided what direction i'd take or whether it would be worthwhile

1) if i ask for a simple update, what weight would that information truly have when some promises (or leaks) have not been kept in the past?

2) if i do what i did last time and present a reasoned, thoughtful request, well, we see what good that did us...i mean i think it helped start the ball rolling (me and oprah!), but the fan uproar about the complete set and then the economy stopped that in its tracks

3) if i just simply rail at the guy, i don't think that would be productive, either, and with me very pleased with my bootlegs, i don't want to further slow the process if it actually is moving forward, but just very slowly

if i do call, i'm leaning towards 1), just asking the guy, "hey, can you just let us all in on the master plan?"

i'm open to suggestions, though

If I get a vote, I'd go for anything other than #3, obviously. #2 sounds good, and it worked last time. Too bad we can't count on Oprah helping out this time, though, hehe! Whatever you do, just be polite. As long as you don't bite the guy's head off, I'm sure you'll get an answer. Of course, it's easy for me to say that when I'm not the one calling! LOL

Good luck, if you do decide to call. :) And please report back, like I have to tell you that. hehe.

- Kristen

Sorry, but there's been no announcement stating as such. This is just speculation on your part, unless you're willing to present the forum with actual proof?

No, no you're right, Ed. I'm sitting here enjoying DVD 2 of Season 6 from the entire series box set. I hear they're on sale this weekend at Amazon.com. Snatch yours up before they're sold out unless you want to pay full price at Best Buy. :lol:


Good for you. I'm sure it'd be a guaranteed sell once everyone starts to do the same and the market is saturated with complete set buyers trying to sell off their first four seasons. :rolleyes:

The market wasn't saturated when I liquidated seasons 1-7 of my MASH DVDs when the entire MASH set was released. Got pretty good coin for 'em too. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:



How mature of you, but it's a different type of story for all seasons of MASH were released individually. You didn't have to buy the packaged complete set in order to own the whole series. Not the same situation at all.

And your point is ... what? Releasing each season individually should've made an entire series set of MASH irrelevant, but it still sold like wildfire. Given that, the MTMS series set would have broad appeal to MTMS fans everywhere ... except the petulant fit-throwers ... I guess.


Again, this is apples and oranges. Little House on the Prairie had ALL seasons released, including the three movies proceeding the series, before a complete set was issued. In fact, if memory serves me correctly, by the time the complete set was released, it was after a year that the last season was released, so there's no need to "rage in protest on Amazon.com".

Again, my point above.


And for what it's worth, you'll inevitably get your "complete" set once all the seasons are released.

I hope not. It's my sincere wish Fox goes ahead and releases the entire series set anyway. Although I'm not so sure I'd wish the 1,000 years of anguish upon my fellow MTMS fans ... wait ... yes I do. And just so there's mud-n-yer-eye, I'll keep seasons 1-4 outta spite. Nya! ;)



"You know what? You got spunk... I hate spunk."

Especially from you MrMatt...

Dude, you did NOT go there! You .. Ok, anyone who didn't predictably see that one coming from 100 miles away . . . :rolleyes:

No, no you're right, Ed. I'm sitting here enjoying DVD 2 of Season 6 from the entire series box set. I hear they're on sale this weekend at Amazon.com. Snatch yours up before they're sold out unless you want to pay full price at Best Buy. :lol:


My God you are obnoxious. Because it's not available NOW doesn't mean that it's never going to be. That is NOT hard to understand. Methinks you get that point but you're just determined to have the last word. Who's throwing the fit now? How old are you, 12?

The market wasn't saturated when I liquidated seasons 1-7 of my MASH DVDs when the entire MASH set was released. Got pretty good coin for 'em too. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

That is because both options were available to consumers. Most will buy a complete set if they haven't invested in separate season releases. This situation is completely different. What is so hard for you to understand about that?

And your point is ... what? Releasing each season individually should've made an entire series set of MASH irrelevant, but it still sold like wildfire. Given that, the MTMS series set would have broad appeal to MTMS fans everywhere ... except the petulant fit-throwers ... I guess.

Like I said, the appeal of that set (if it indeed sold like wildfire... forgive me but I find that to be an exaggeration) was for primarily those who didn't have the separate releases already. Sure, I'm certain some bought it again anyway. Every show has their die-hards, but that again doesn't apply here.

I hope not. It's my sincere wish Fox goes ahead and releases the entire series set anyway. Although I'm not so sure I'd wish the 1,000 years of anguish upon my fellow MTMS fans ... wait ... yes I do. And just so there's mud-n-yer-eye, I'll keep seasons 1-4 outta spite. Nya! ;)

You can do as you please. I really am only concerned about the dissension you wreak on this board over this issue, as I stated in my previous posting. Many feel offended and caught off guard by your snipes and it's really tiresome. You piss and moan about people throwing tantrums and yet you exhibit the exact same behavior when someone rebutts your statements. There is a difference between postponed and cancelled. You can continue to spew your sarcasm all you want but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find someone on this board who doesn't think you've come off sounding like an ass. But that's ok with you, isn't it, because you're on a mission to get back at those fans who you think kept you from getting your complete series set. Get a grip already...

Dude, you did NOT go there! You .. Ok, anyone who didn't predictably see that one coming from 100 miles away . . . :rolleyes:

I didn't think it was that predictable. What is a certainty is that you'll respond yet again with more ridiculous outbursts as a way of getting the last word. Yep, I can just see the posts now.

How about taking the least predictable route and just go away, at least from this thread? Naaah, too much of a temptation for you. I'm not going to hold my breath...

Ed

How old are you, 12?

Very "adult" of you, Ed. What's next, gonna call me a "booger head" or something? LOL.

The point is, Fox was prepared to release TMTS complete series box set and we'd all be enjoying it now if not for the petulance of some "offended" at Fox's decision.


You can do as you please. I really am only concerned about the dissension you wreak on this board over this issue, as I stated in my previous posting.

I hardly thing I'm "wreaking dissension" on this board. On the other hand, I think we could accuse you of hyperbole.

Many feel offended and caught off guard by your snipes and it's really tiresome.

Were you elected spokesperson to speak for the "many" who feel "offended and caught off guard"?

Could you please post your approved list of topics and opinions people are to voice as to not offend your frail sensibilities?

You piss and moan about people throwing tantrums and yet you exhibit the exact same behavior when someone rebutts your statements.

And you're not? LOL!

There is a difference between postponed and cancelled.

Well, if you could please post the internal Fox memo indicating the box set has been postponed, rather than cancelled, I'd appreciate it.

You can continue to spew your sarcasm all you want but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find someone on this board who doesn't think you've come off sounding like an ass.

Very nice, Edster. I'd argue that it's the name caller who comes off looking like the ass, not the other way around.


But that's ok with you, isn't it, because you're on a mission to get back at those fans who you think kept you from getting your complete series set. Get a grip already...

What are you talking about? I'm not "getting back" at anyone. Just voicing my opinion about the attitudes of MTMS fans on a MTMS forum. I would do it over in the Taxi forum, but I don't think as many people would care over there as they do over here ... Edster.

Very "adult" of you, Ed. What's next, gonna call me a "booger head" or something? LOL.

The point is, Fox was prepared to release TMTS complete series box set and we'd all be enjoying it now if not for the petulance of some "offended" at Fox's decision.

I hardly thing I'm "wreaking dissension" on this board. On the other hand, I think we could accuse you of hyperbole.

Were you elected spokesperson to speak for the "many" who feel "offended and caught off guard"?

Could you please post your approved list of topics and opinions people are to voice as to not offend your frail sensibilities?

And you're not? LOL!

Well, if you could please post the internal Fox memo indicating the box set has been postponed, rather than cancelled, I'd appreciate it.

Very nice, Edster. I'd argue that it's the name caller who comes off looking like the ass, not the other way around.

What are you talking about? I'm not "getting back" at anyone. Just voicing my opinion about the attitudes of MTMS fans on a MTMS forum. I would do it over in the Taxi forum, but I don't think as many people would care over there as they do over here ... Edster.

I knew the silence was too good to be true... sigh... Thanks for proving me right:

What is a certainty is that you'll respond yet again with more ridiculous outbursts as a way of getting the last word. Yep, I can just see the posts now.

ZZZZzzzz :sleep:


Ed

I knew the silence was too good to be true... sigh... Thanks for proving me right:

Ah yes . . . you're one of THOSE "I demand to have the last word by default by demanding that you not post again, otherwise you'll prove me right" forum people.

LOL!!

That your very post exists here reeks of irony, Ed. :lol: :lol:

Ah yes . . . you're one of THOSE "I demand to have the last word by default by demanding that you not post again, otherwise you'll prove me right" forum people.

LOL!!

That your very post exists here reeks of irony, Ed. :lol: :lol:

I didn't demand that you not post again. I predicted that you wouldn't let this go and dared you to. That constitutes a demand to you?

Ed

Forget FOX. I hate to say it, but I've bought the bootlegs and am enjoying them. I'm done.

I didn't demand that you not post again. I predicted that you wouldn't let this go and dared you to. That constitutes a demand to you?

Ed

Ohhh .. You "predicted" I would post again .. Well now that's about as risky as "predicting" someone who owns a car will actually go out a drive it, and then "daring" them to go out and drive their car .. as if that demonstrates your "amazing" ability to "predict" future behavior. :happyface

Bravo Edster ...

... 'cause that's what people do in a forum. Someone posts, someone responds. That person responds and so on and so forth ... until someone comes along and double-tripple-dip dares someone not to respond to them! Oooooooooo!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Ohhh .. You "predicted" I would post again .. Well now that's about as risky as "predicting" someone who owns a car will actually go out a drive it, and then "daring" them to go out and drive their car .. as if that demonstrates your "amazing" ability to "predict" future behavior. :happyface

Bravo Edster ...

... 'cause that's what people do in a forum. Someone posts, someone responds. That person responds and so on and so forth ... until someone comes along and double-tripple-dip dares someone not to respond to them! Oooooooooo!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Again, you're missing the point, which is something you've turned into an art form. You claimed I "demanded" that you not post again. I corrected you. Predictably (and I can't help it if you're that obvious), you not only respond when you're called on your mistakes, you also do it with a hefty dose of vitriol while attempting to be clever.

As for people responding in a forum, well, that's what we fans were doing when we exercised our right to voice our opinion about FOX's attempts to rip us off. You objected to that. Now you claim I think I'm "amazing" because I predicted something even a blind man could foresee. I never said I was amazing or that the prediction was profound. YOU infer that because, quite frankly, you've got nothing else to work with in your verbal assaults against me. The fact is, you were wrong. I didn't demand that you stopped posting. Funny how you've yet to acknowledge that.

BTW, your initial attacks on other people in this forum, like Benno123, stemmed from the fact that you thought further releases of the show were cancelled. Time and time again you were told that the remaining seasons were delayed, not cancelled. You insisted that because the whole show wasn't in your hands then and NOW that this was enough proof that your claims were right. As if...

When called on by other posters (beside myself) to provide proof of your claims, like a petulant child you told others to prove that the releases were NOT cancelled (:rolleyes:). Well, look no further than www.tvshowsondvd.com where Season 5 is slated for release on October 6th, and all for under $20. Again, you were wrong.

You can try to spin this as my being childish, stupid or whatever else you try to come up with but honestly, your initial argument has lost merit. Nothing has been cancelled. The remaining seasons are coming. Yes, it's later than sooner but it's at a rate and a pace that's affordable for all concerned. It's a matter of time before the complete series is released. When that time comes, it'll be interesting to look back at this thread where your griping, snapping and other comments (that basically show an unwillingness to admit that you were wrong) will be preserved for all to see. No matter what you say about me from here on in, that's enough of a reward for me. Welcome to the TROLL Hall of Fame...

Ed

Hey!:cool: Since it now looks like Season 5 is official, any chance we can call a truce here? This whole MTM thing has been a long, drawn out issue, with fans being left in the dark, people have had all kinds of feelings and predictions and points-of-view. But bottom line, we ALL want the our Mary, and now she's gonna make it after all!

Hey!:cool: Since it now looks like Season 5 is official, any chance we can call a truce here? This whole MTM thing has been a long, drawn out issue, with fans being left in the dark, people have had all kinds of feelings and predictions and points-of-view. But bottom line, we ALL want the our Mary, and now she's gonna make it after all!
unfortunately when you have people that are just trolling to get a reaction, there isn't usually an easy end to things - otherwise he would've just admitted he was wrong and apologized when he was proven wrong by Amazon, Fox and TVShowsonDVD.com instead of continuing to insult and bait everyone else on here.

unfortunately when you have people that are just trolling to get a reaction, there isn't usually an easy end to things - otherwise he would've just admitted he was wrong and apologized when he was proven wrong by Amazon, Fox and TVShowsonDVD.com instead of continuing to insult and bait everyone else on here.

Agreed... at least we all seem to have his number. It does help, no?

Either way, what's important that more is coming, and I couldn't be happier. :) Bring it on!

Ed

Again, you're missing the point, which is something you've turned into an art form. You claimed I "demanded" that you not post again. I corrected you. Predictably (and I can't help it if you're that obvious), you not only respond when you're called on your mistakes, you also do it with a hefty dose of vitriol while attempting to be clever.

As for people responding in a forum, well, that's what we fans were doing when we exercised our right to voice our opinion about FOX's attempts to rip us off. You objected to that. Now you claim I think I'm "amazing" because I predicted something even a blind man could foresee. I never said I was amazing or that the prediction was profound. YOU infer that because, quite frankly, you've got nothing else to work with in your verbal assaults against me. The fact is, you were wrong. I didn't demand that you stopped posting. Funny how you've yet to acknowledge that.

BTW, your initial attacks on other people in this forum, like Benno123, stemmed from the fact that you thought further releases of the show were cancelled. Time and time again you were told that the remaining seasons were delayed, not cancelled. You insisted that because the whole show wasn't in your hands then and NOW that this was enough proof that your claims were right. As if...

When called on by other posters (beside myself) to provide proof of your claims, like a petulant child you told others to prove that the releases were NOT cancelled (:rolleyes:). Well, look no further than www.tvshowsondvd.com where Season 5 is slated for release on October 6th, and all for under $20. Again, you were wrong.

You can try to spin this as my being childish, stupid or whatever else you try to come up with but honestly, your initial argument has lost merit. Nothing has been cancelled. The remaining seasons are coming. Yes, it's later than sooner but it's at a rate and a pace that's affordable for all concerned. It's a matter of time before the complete series is released. When that time comes, it'll be interesting to look back at this thread where your griping, snapping and other comments (that basically show an unwillingness to admit that you were wrong) will be preserved for all to see. No matter what you say about me from here on in, that's enough of a reward for me. Welcome to the TROLL Hall of Fame...

Ed

"...Troll Hall of Fame...."

You just can't stop calling people names, can you Ed? First you call me an "ass" now a "troll." Meh.

And hey, if you can show me where I "attacked" anyone, let alone Benno123, I'll come to your house and act out all seven seasons of The Mary Tyler Moore Show on your lawn. On the other hand, I'll show you where you're calling people "ass" "petulant child" etc. As far as vitriol slinging, you're right at the top of the list. People in glass houses, Ed. People in glass houses. Put it down. Put it doooowwn.

Also, can you show me where I said seasons 5-7 were cancelled as you're accusing me of? You're pretty big on this whole wrong / right thing. You're more than wrong on this one and I have a big ol' pile of crow for you right here. Grilled, baked or fried, how would you prefer yours?

Edster:
You can try to spin this as my being childish, stupid or whatever else you try to come up with but honestly, your initial argument has lost merit. Nothing has been cancelled.

MrMatt (my first comment on this situation):
I want to extend a personal and bitter THANKS to those who may have caused a delay OR cancellation of this release.

Edster's first comment to me:
If you truly think the series set is cancelled due to fans complaining about it, then you're more in the dark than the people you're complaining about.

This was your FIRST comment to me. What was that you said about my attacking people? Before you do any more tongue wagging about who attacked who first, Ed remember your own history and stop being a hypocrite. Read this thread. I was making commentary about the collective whining and the delay or cancelation of the MTMS series box set, and YOU engaged me with insults. You fired the first couple of salvos and NOW you're seriously going to now complain it?

You can try to spin this as my being childish, stupid or whatever else you try to come up with

Heh! Nope. I'll let you handle that all on your own.

Here we go again....

"...Troll Hall of Fame...."

You just can't stop calling people names, can you Ed? First you call me an "ass" now a "troll." Meh.

And hey, if you can show me where I "attacked" anyone, let alone Benno123, I'll come to your house and act out all seven seasons of The Mary Tyler Moore Show on your lawn. On the other hand, I'll show you where you're calling people "ass" "petulant child" etc. As far as vitriol slinging, you're right at the top of the list. People in glass houses, Ed. People in glass houses. Put it down. Put it doooowwn.

Also, can you show me where I said seasons 5-7 were cancelled as you're accusing me of? You're pretty big on this whole wrong / right thing. You're more than wrong on this one and I have a big ol' pile of crow for you right here. Grilled, baked or fried, how would you prefer yours?

Edster:


MrMatt (my first comment on this situation):


Edster's first comment to me:


This was your FIRST comment to me. What was that you said about my attacking people? Before you do any more tongue wagging about who attacked who first, Ed remember your own history and stop being a hypocrite. Read this thread. I was making commentary about the collective whining and the delay or cancelation of the MTMS series box set, and YOU engaged me with insults. You fired the first couple of salvos and NOW you're seriously going to now complain it?



Heh! Nope. I'll let you handle that all on your own.

unfortunately when you have people that are just trolling to get a reaction, there isn't usually an easy end to things

Sorry RobyRob, not "trolling" for reaction. Just voicing my opinion, like everyone else.

otherwise he would've just admitted he was wrong and apologized when he was proven wrong by Amazon, Fox and TVShowsonDVD.com instead of continuing to insult and bait everyone else on here.

Proven wrong about what? I never said Fox wouldn't release seasons 5 - 7. Or did you mean wrong about the complete series. Has it been released and I didn't know about it?

To that end, we'll have to wait until seasons 5, 6 and 7 trickle out ... And then ... the series box set, in what, 2012, 2015? My point has always been we could've been enjoying the seasons 5-7 already earlier this spring, when the series set was to be released, if not for those complaining about it.

Sorry RobyRob, not "trolling" for reaction. Just voicing my opinion, like everyone else.



Proven wrong about what? I never said Fox wouldn't release seasons 5 - 7. Or did you mean wrong about the complete series. Has it been released and I didn't know about it?

To that end, we'll have to wait until seasons 5, 6 and 7 trickle out ... And then ... the series box set, in what, 2012, 2015? My point has always been we could've been enjoying the seasons 5-7 already earlier this spring, when the series set was to be released, if not for those complaining about it.
no - you were complaining about people voicing their opinions that FOX was taking advantage of the fans - you went so far as to BLAME them for FOX changing their plans to rip off the fans and came across as pretty insulting to people that had a legitimate reason to be upset.

the approach you take to "voice your opinion" is childish and insulting; you claim not to be trolling yet you go to extreme lengths to attack each post and draw this out as long as possible with condescending replies designed to elicit a response.

the 5th season announcement should be reason to celebrate, yet you still feel the need to prolong this in some irrational attempt to prove your superiority over everyone by dissecting posts and challenging others to prove you wrong.

i am not going to argue semantics with you - the series has not been canceled and we now have realistic expectations that the remaining seasons will be released, if you feel the need to rip apart peoples posts and attack them because of this then your motives clearly aren't as innocent as you claim.

no - you were complaining about people voicing their opinions that FOX was taking advantage of the fans - you went so far as to BLAME them for FOX changing their plans to rip off the fans and came across as pretty insulting to people that had a legitimate reason to be upset.

Wasn't that the stated goal of people swarming to Amazon.com and sending letters and emails to Fox .. to get them to NOT release the series box until they released all the seasons first? In that case, I'm not sure where you find fault and my being bothered by that. I too had a legitimate reason to be upset.

the approach you take to "voice your opinion" is childish and insulting; you claim not to be trolling yet you go to extreme lengths to attack each post and draw this out as long as possible with condescending replies designed to elicit a response.

And "Edster" *hasn't* been condescending, childish or insulting? I never called him an "ass." I'm not the one who first engaged Ed. I'm responding (and have been responding) in the same tone as Ed has chosen to interact with me. In that case, I'm giving it back to Ed as he has decided to interact with me.

the 5th season announcement should be reason to celebrate, yet you still feel the need to prolong this in some irrational attempt to prove your superiority over everyone by dissecting posts and challenging others to prove you wrong.

I'm not "prolonging" anything, just responding to Ed's misinterpretations of what I've written. Do I not have the right to do so?

i am not going to argue semantics with you - the series has not been canceled

I never said it was. I have said, however, the series box set was delayed or canceled based on you could once pre-order and now you cannot. Droves of fans flocked to Amazon in an effort to get Fox to cancel the series box and release the individual seasons. Where have I been off base on reacting to those who achieved that goal?

and we now have realistic expectations that the remaining seasons will be released, if you feel the need to rip apart peoples posts and attack them because of this then your motives clearly aren't as innocent as you claim.

That's total bunk, Rob.

You're accusing me of "attacking" people because the remaining seasons are going to be released individually. Where on earth did you come to this wrong notion? I've done no such thing. I have, however, responded to one member here who has tried to be nothing more than a schoolyard bully. And yes, I've responded in kind to him. But please show me where I've been attacking anyone. If you accuse me of "attacking people" I simply ask where and to whom I've done this.

Please, show me.

Please, show me.
when a moderator tries to point out to you that you are behaving inappropriately, maybe you should try to hear them out instead of turning around and attacking them.

while you have a right to an opinion, you do not have the right to pick apart people's posts to try to belittle them and goad them into a fight.

you DO have the right to just agree to disagree instead of trying to antagonize people and arguing just for the sake of arguing. I see only one person here trying to draw out an argument and challenging anyone to prove him wrong.

when a moderator tries to point out to you that you are behaving inappropriately, maybe you should try to hear them out instead of turning around and attacking them.

while you have a right to an opinion, you do not have the right to pick apart people's posts to try to belittle them and goad them into a fight.

you DO have the right to just agree to disagree instead of trying to antagonize people and arguing just for the sake of arguing. I see only one person here trying to draw out an argument and challenging anyone to prove him wrong.


Can this thread be terminated? I don't even know what the arguement is about anymore--Is it possible to delete it??

Can this thread be terminated? I don't even know what the arguement is about anymore--Is it possible to delete it??

I advise against it since there may be need of proof of someone's insolence. If you're truly sick of it (and who isn't at this point), I suggest not answering the prompt in your email that alerts you of a new post.

Ed

when a moderator tries to point out to you that you are behaving inappropriately, maybe you should try to hear them out instead of turning around and attacking them.

while you have a right to an opinion, you do not have the right to pick apart people's posts to try to belittle them and goad them into a fight.

you DO have the right to just agree to disagree instead of trying to antagonize people and arguing just for the sake of arguing. I see only one person here trying to draw out an argument and challenging anyone to prove him wrong.

Again, Rob, if you're going to accuse me of "attacking people" then please show me where. The facts, which are clearly readable in this thread, are this:

1). I voice my opinion about those MTMS fans who complained on Amazon and wrote emails to Fox about the series box set to be released this past spring. It was their goal to get Fox to not release this set. Then, Amazon pulls the pre-order listing. I voice my opinion here, in the Mary Tyler Moore Show forum about this.

2). I am engaged by "Edster" who starts behaving in a condescending manner toward me.

3). I respond in kind.

4). Ed starts name calling.

5). I don't respond in kind.

So again, Rob, as moderator, if you're going to throw around the baseless charge of my attacking people, I ask you to show me (and anyone else reading this thread) where I've attacked anyone.

I agree with Ed, don't delete this thread. Leave it. It's proof of Ed's condescension, bullying and name calling.