View Full Version : LA man upset over job kills wife, 5 kids, himself


catlover79
01-27-2009, 10:43 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090127/ap_on_re_us/bodies_found

LOS ANGELES – A man who fatally shot his wife, five young children and himself Tuesday had earlier faxed a note to a TV station claiming the couple had just been fired from their hospital jobs and together planned the killings as a final escape for the whole family.

"Why leave the children to a stranger?" Ervin Lupoe wrote, according to KABC-TV.

The station called police after receiving the fax, and a police dispatch center also received a call from a man who stated, "'I just returned home and my whole family's been shot."

Officers rushed to the home in Wilmington, a small community between the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach, about 8:30 a.m., apparently within minutes of the killings. Officers could still smell the gunshot residue in the air.

Although the fax asserted that Ana Lupoe planning the killings of the whole family, police Lt. John Romero said Lupoe was the suspect. A revolver was found next to his body.

Ana Lupoe's body was found in a downstairs bedroom with the bodies of the couple's twin 2-year-old boys. The bodies of an 8-year-old girl, twin 5-year-old girls were found alongside Lupoe's in an upstairs bedroom.

It was the fifth mass death of a Southern California family by murder or suicide in a year. Police urged those facing tough economic times to get help rather than resort to violence

"Today our worst fear was realized," said Deputy Chief Kenneth Garner. "It's just not a solution. There's just so many ways you find alternatives to doing something so horrific and drastic as this."

Lupoe removed three of the children from school about a week and a half ago, saying the family was moving to Kansas, the school principal told KCAL-TV. Crescent Heights Elementary School Principal Cherise Pounders-Caver said nothing seemed to be troubling Lupoe at that time; she did not ask why the family was moving.

Kaiser Permanente Medical Center West Los Angeles released a statement confirming both Lupoe and his wife worked there; both were medical technicians.

"We are deeply saddened to hear of the deaths of the Lupoe family," it said in a statement.

In the letter he faxed to a TV station, Ervin Lupoe claimed he and his wife both had been fired and that she suggested they kill themselves and their children, too. Police described the fax but did not release the details.

KABC reported that the man claimed in the fax that a medical center administrator rebuffed them when they showed up to work, told them to file a union grievance and said, "You should have blown your brains out."

Lupoe wrote that they filed a grievance but nothing was done and two days later they were fired, KABC said.

"They did nothing to the manager who started such and did not attempt to assist us in the matter, knowing we have no job and five children under 8 years old with no place to go. So here we are," the note said.

At the bottom of the note, Lupoe wrote, "Oh lord, my God, is there no hope for a widow's son?"

The Kaiser Permanente statement made no comment on the claims in Lupoe's fax.

"He was going through some critical situations at the job, that's what he described in that two-page letter, ongoing problems at the job, and that's what prompted him to take his own life and his family's, from what was said in the fax letter," Garner said.

The two-story home, much larger than its one-story neighbors, sits in front of a railroad track in Wilmington, a small community about 18 miles south of downtown. A children's playset stood in the backyard.

Retired truck driver Jaime Solache, who lives a few doors down, said many of these newer, larger homes in the neighborhood had gone into foreclosure. The Lupoe house, which has a sign hanging above the driveway reading "The Lupoe's Pad," is about 6 years old, Solache said.

News of the killings sent shivers through the community, and several neighbors came to the yellow police tape to watch a steady procession of officials enter and leave the home.

"This area right here is quiet, calm," said Armando Chacon, who lives one block north. "People like to sit out at weekends and barbecue. Other than this, no problems at all."

A community meeting was planned later Tuesday in a local church.

It was the fifth mass death of a Southern California family by murder or suicide in a year.

On Dec. 24, a man dressed up as Santa Claus invaded a Christmas Eve party at his ex-wife's parents' home in suburban Covina. His ex-wire and eight of her relatives died from gunshots or in the house fire he set. The man later killed himself.

In October, an unemployed financial manager despairing over extreme money problems shot and killed his wife, three children, mother-in-law and himself in their home in the Porter Ranch area of the San Fernando Valley.

In June, five members of a Turkish-American family, clad in black, were found dead in an upscale home in San Clemente. Investigators say it was apparently a suicide pact but the reason is a mystery.

MickeyMac
01-27-2009, 10:46 PM
I hope there is a nice place in hell for this man


Times are rough and the economy is in the toilet sure. There are a lot of people who have lost their jobs and they didnt kill their families because things got bad.

Talk about a cop out.

I have no sympathy for this man.

catlover79
01-27-2009, 10:48 PM
Neither do I. Times were/are tough economically for my family, but we all stuck together and didn't give up. What a sad, sad story - especially the children. :(

LuLu Rogers
01-27-2009, 11:42 PM
With the economy the way it is, I'm afraid we're going to see more horrible things like this. ohno:

treky
01-28-2009, 01:59 AM
I think you're right, Lauren.:( :(

Chocoholic
01-28-2009, 10:24 AM
I agree, Lauren. This is just too sad :( Those poor innocent children. I hope this coward rots in Hell. :mad:

steevo
01-28-2009, 11:35 AM
How terribly evil and sad this act was. It was made worse by the children losing their lives, too. :(

TripperFan
01-28-2009, 01:35 PM
As soon as I heard this story I knew something was fishy about it. I can't see a husband AND wife agreeing to a suicide pact when they had children.

To me, dad decided he wasn't a man because he couldn't provide for his family so he killed them all. Piece of crap.

browneyes106
01-28-2009, 03:03 PM
There crimes are terrible and unjust. I agree Tripperfan the family suicide pact stories do sound fishy.
Here's an article on the San Clemente family
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/family-salcedo-bodies-2232484-shot-ucar

Waterston_Fan
01-28-2009, 04:09 PM
With the economy the way it is, I'm afraid we're going to see more horrible things like this. ohno:

Yeah, I think we will hear more of it too.

Doodyville10019
01-28-2009, 04:10 PM
With the economy the way it is, I'm afraid we're going to see more horrible things like this. ohno:

I agree wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, everyone (and I do mean EVERYONE) is losing their shirts because of the way the economy is now. The only bad part is that the kids had to go, too. They could have lived with relatives or have had some other living arrangement. Such a sad ending to five promising lives.

Zoneboy
01-28-2009, 04:21 PM
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catlover79
01-28-2009, 04:53 PM
With the economy the way it is, I'm afraid we're going to see more horrible things like this. ohno:
I think you're right...sad as it is to say it. :(

MonarC
01-28-2009, 05:45 PM
That is so sad. :(

Waterston_Fan
01-28-2009, 05:57 PM
I agree wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, everyone (and I do mean EVERYONE) is losing their shirts because of the way the economy is now. The only bad part is that the kids had to go, too. They could have lived with relatives or have had some other living arrangement. Such a sad ending to five promising lives.

The part about the kids, it sounded like they didn't have any other family members to take them in. Unless the parents didn't trust their family members.

TripperFan
01-28-2009, 06:13 PM
The part about the kids, it sounded like they didn't have any other family members to take them in. Unless the parents didn't trust their family members.


Still, there's plenty of choices - you don't have to kill your children. That's why I don't believe this is the whole story. Why is there no note or any other evidence? Why the drama of having everyone dress in black?

Millions of people were in worse shape in the 1930s depression - they didn't go out by shooting their wife and kids and taking painkillers to kill themselves with (just the fact that he took Vicodan instead of shooting himself tells me what a coward he was). People pulled together - they took ANY kind of work they could get and dug in deep to keep going.

This was an excuse and nothing more.

Hollow
01-28-2009, 06:36 PM
that's terribly heartbreaking. anyone who would have it in them to kill their own children under any circumstances (i'll leave terri shiavo type of cases aside for now) shouldn't be a parent to begin with. i empathize the suicidal to no end, but you just don't kill yourself when you're raising children.

catlover79
01-28-2009, 09:21 PM
Still, there's plenty of choices - you don't have to kill your children. That's why I don't believe this is the whole story. Why is there no note or any other evidence? Why the drama of having everyone dress in black?

Millions of people were in worse shape in the 1930s depression - they didn't go out by shooting their wife and kids and taking painkillers to kill themselves with (just the fact that he took Vicodan instead of shooting himself tells me what a coward he was). People pulled together - they took ANY kind of work they could get and dug in deep to keep going.

This was an excuse and nothing more.
:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap

Lee
01-28-2009, 11:01 PM
Why did he have to kill his wife and children? Why not just kill himself?

TripperFan
01-28-2009, 11:58 PM
Why did he have to kill his wife and children? Why not just kill himself?


Some men (psychos) are like that. They have little or no self esteem and to them, the only thing they can offer is supporting a family. They usually are somewhat of control freaks who feel they "own" their wife and children. If they're going to take themselves out, they don't want that wife to be another man's wife or his children raised by another man. Why was the wife found between the children, rather than by his side or something if this had been a pact. Sounds to me like she was trying to protect the kids.

Mikado
01-29-2009, 12:10 AM
Great answer, Cathie!!! ^^^^ :cow: yup yup!

dawsongirl
01-29-2009, 12:24 AM
I'm a little confused by the goings on at work. They were fired, but I totally don't understand why. Did he go psycho at work too?

catlover79
01-29-2009, 12:29 AM
I'm a little confused by the goings on at work. They were fired, but I totally don't understand why. Did he go psycho at work too?
I don't know - I think there's a lot more going on here than meets the eye.

Waterston_Fan
01-29-2009, 01:13 AM
I'm a little confused by the goings on at work. They were fired, but I totally don't understand why. Did he go psycho at work too?

Yeah I read that too. But because of privacy laws we may never know.

And as far as I know the co workers aren't talking either..

Maybe it was salary cut and they both happened to be cut.

dawsongirl
01-29-2009, 01:43 AM
They got fired for lying about their income to get cheaper health care.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090129/ap_on_re_us/bodies_found

Lee
01-29-2009, 07:32 AM
They got fired for lying about their income to get cheaper health care.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090129/ap_on_re_us/bodies_found

And this also proves that the wife had no part in this and it was not a suicide
pact as he tried to claim. I believe this man had the mentality that he owned
his family and I believe the financial problems they had were largely of his
making. I cannot believe I felt even the slightest twinge of sympathy for this
man.

coffield3
01-29-2009, 07:48 AM
Still, there's plenty of choices - you don't have to kill your children. That's why I don't believe this is the whole story. Why is there no note or any other evidence? Why the drama of having everyone dress in black?

Millions of people were in worse shape in the 1930s depression - they didn't go out by shooting their wife and kids and taking painkillers to kill themselves with (just the fact that he took Vicodan instead of shooting himself tells me what a coward he was). People pulled together - they took ANY kind of work they could get and dug in deep to keep going.

This was an excuse and nothing more.

Well said!!

TripperFan
01-29-2009, 11:36 AM
Whatever happened to the old saying, "When the going gets tough, the tough get going"

That's what America's always been about. We're into tough times right now folks, time to dig in like our parents and grandparents had to. If they could do it, we certainly can. And no matter what happens we're still in better shape overall than what they had when they went through it.

Think of how tragedies like 9/11 made everyone pull together and help each other out. That's where we've got to get our heads back to that thinking for the weeks and months after that happened. Instead of it all happening in one day, it's taking more time so people don't think the same way.

This was one psycho's excuse only. There's no reason at all to take anything out on your family. When you start getting on each other's nerves because of the stress, just remember what life would be like without them. Whether you realize it or not, family will always be the richest resource you'll have.