NFC
5.Kyle Orton
4.Kurt Warner
3.Matt Ryan
2.Drew Brees
1. Donovan Mcnabb

AFC
5.Phillip Riversl
4.Joey Flacco
3.Peyton Manning
2.Big Ben
1.Tom Brady


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What are you judging by? Because this year, Brady should clearly not be number 1... and all those people being above Rivers is laughable. He was definitely the top QB this year.


By this year...

AFC
1. Phillip Rivers
2. Peyton Manning
3. Ben Roethlisberger
4. Joe Flacco
5. Chad Pennington

NFC
1. Kurt Warner
2. Jake Delhomme (minus that awful performance on Saturday)
3. Drew Brees
4. Donovan McNabb
5. Eli Manning (overrated, but he's improving)

What are you judging by? Because this year, Brady should clearly not be number 1... and all those people being above Rivers is laughable. He was definitely the top QB this year.


By this year...

AFC
1. Phillip Rivers
2. Peyton Manning
3. Ben Roethlisberger
4. Joe Flacco
5. Chad Pennington

NFC
1. Kurt Warner
2. Jake Delhomme (minus that awful performance on Saturday)
3. Drew Brees
4. Donovan McNabb
5. Eli Manning (overrated, but he's improving)



No, judging by who is currently in the NFL and brady is still in the NFL

But it doesn't really make sense to have him in the same list as a rookie like Flacco

But it doesn't really make sense to have him in the same list as a rookie like Flacco


So you don' know who joe flacco is?

What are you judging by? Because this year, Brady should clearly not be number 1... and all those people being above Rivers is laughable. He was definitely the top QB this year.


By this year...

AFC
1. Phillip Rivers
2. Peyton Manning
3. Ben Roethlisberger
4. Joe Flacco
5. Chad Pennington

NFC
1. Kurt Warner
2. Jake Delhomme (minus that awful performance on Saturday)
3. Drew Brees
4. Donovan McNabb
5. Eli Manning (overrated, but he's improving)

1. Phillip Rivers
2. Peyton Manning
3. Ben Roethlisberger
4. Jay Cutler
5. Tyler Thigpen

If those guys at 4 and 5 can actually get protection.

NFC

1. Drew Brees
2. Jake Delhomme (minus that awful performance on Saturday)
3. Matt Hasselback
4. Donovan McNabb
5. Jon Garcia[/QUOTE]

I will never vote for Eli. NEVER....

I will never vote for Eli. NEVER....

Bitter?

Kyle Orton is NOT a top 5 quarterback. The Bears won't win a Super Bowl as long as he's their starter.

NFC
5.Kyle Orton
4.Kurt Warner
3.Matt Ryan
2.Drew Brees
1. Donovan Mcnabb

AFC
5.Phillip Riversl
4.Joey Flacco
3.Peyton Manning
2.Big Ben
1.Tom Brady


Talk to meI agree with your AFC picks.

For the NFC, I think Brees is better than Mcnabb, Orton doesn't even belong on the list. Favre should be somewhere on that list.

I agree with your AFC picks.

For the NFC, I think Brees is better than Mcnabb, Orton doesn't even belong on the list. Favre should be somewhere on that list.


I guess that is a toss between brees abnd mcnabb but both are the top of the NFC

Bitter?

Just a little. I just feel funny putting him on a list.

I could put him on the worst QB list but that kinda isn't fair cause he still has a job.

NFC
5.Kyle Orton
4.Kurt Warner
3.Matt Ryan
2.Drew Brees
1. Donovan Mcnabb

AFC
5.Phillip Riversl
4.Joey Flacco
3.Peyton Manning
2.Big Ben
1.Tom Brady


Talk to me


I would put Aaron Rodgers and Jason Campbell over Kyle Orton. I agree with the rest of your list.

Solomon, stop smoking dope! LOL

the best overall in the NFL, and not going by this year alone, are

1. Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Donovan McNabb
4. Jeff Garcia
5. Big Ben or Favre

Other than Jeff Garcia, I agree with Wrecky's Top 5.

What about Drew Brees or Kurt Warner?

Kurt Warner is probably number 6 on my list, and Brees is 7th. They both throw A LOT of interceptions. They compared McNabb's all time stats to Warners and I couldn't believe they both came in about the same time, Warner a year or two befor McNabb, and McNabb has 1k more passing yards in his career, more TDs and way less INTs. I couldn't believe how many INTs Warner had, but he's still a great player. Brees throws a lot of picks as well, and hasn't really done anything to back up his accomplishments or lack of accomplishments on the field. And he's only been good for the last 2-3 years. Before that, he was a rookie, so Brees hasn't been around long.

Passing Yards TDs INTs

Warner- 28,591 182 114

McNabb- 29,320 194 90


That's so far in their career....Warner has a higher career passer rating, but then again, a lot of things are factored in with PR. Donovan (has) had horrible to not bad but not great receivers 8 out of his 9 years. The one year we had T.O., and Greg Lewis came along and wasn't bad, because the offense opened up with everybody doubling up Owens, so other guys were open and made good plays. T.O. was here another half year, before the full meltdown and final debacle, but Donovan was injured the second half of the year and Owens only played with us 5-6 games that year, before everything went downhill. Warner in his career had Isaac Bruce, Torry "Big Game" Holt, Kevin Curtis, Jeremy Shockey, Toomer, Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald & I think Burress was in his first year as a Giant when Warner was in New York, but I am probably wrong on that.

Also, Donovan has been injured and out 4 out of his 8 seasons, and injured but still playing in over half of his seasons as an NFL player and quarterback, while Warner has been injured 2 full years, and McNabb has still had better stats and more yards and TD passes, with less games played due to injuries, while Warner is a year ahead of McNabb.

I'm just comparing the two great QBs, especially since they play this Sunday for a trip to the Super Bowl.

Kurt Warner is probably number 6 on my list, and Brees is 7th. They both throw A LOT of interceptions. They compared McNabb's all time stats to Warners and I couldn't believe they both came in about the same time, Warner a year or two befor McNabb, and McNabb has 1k more passing yards in his career, more TDs and way less INTs. I couldn't believe how many INTs Warner had, but he's still a great player. Brees throws a lot of picks as well, and hasn't really done anything to back up his accomplishments or lack of accomplishments on the field. And he's only been good for the last 2-3 years. Before that, he was a rookie, so Brees hasn't been around long.

Perfectly reasonable.

BTW, could you state your case as to why Jeff Garcia is #3 in your rankings?

I think Burress was in his first year as a Giant when Warner was in New York, but I am probably wrong on that.

Nope. Plaxico joined the G-Men in 2005 after five years with Pittsburgh.

Oh ok, I knew I was probably wrong about Burress. Read my other post below the one you quoted, comparing the two, Chris.

I just always thought Garcia was one of the best QBs, even before he came to Philly and eventually became a start for half a year with the Eagles. He has been with bad teams and still put up reasonable numbers. Yeah he had T.O. in San Fran, but I still think he was good then, good receivers or not. He has always been smart, not erratic with his throws, and has put up good but not Brady numbers, which isn't saying much cause Brady & P. Manning are in a league of their own. He doesn't throw many picks and he can be mobile whe needed to be and has good pocket presence. Maybe Drew Brees has more TDs but their's something special to me about Garcia.

I just always thought Garcia was one of the best QBs, even before he came to Philly and eventually became a start for half a year with the Eagles. He has been with bad teams and still put up reasonable numbers. Yeah he had T.O. in San Fran, but I still think he was good then, good receivers or not. He has always been smart, not erratic with his throws, and has put up good but not Brady numbers, which isn't saying much cause Brady & P. Manning are in a league of their own. He doesn't throw many picks and he can be mobile whe needed to be and has good pocket presence. Maybe Drew Brees has more TDs but their's something special to me about Garcia.

Very good explanation. I can't complain about that.

I was a bit iffy about Garcia ranked that high, but after reading your explanation, I understand now.

If anything, I have felt Garcia is a "thinking man's quarterback."

Very good explanation. I can't complain about that.

I was a bit iffy about Garcia ranked that high, but after reading your explanation, I understand now.

If anything, I have felt Garcia is a "thinking man's quarterback."

Thanks. My damn typing is crappy tonight, with all these grammatical errors & typos, typing too fast and not looking the posts over for spelling mistakes. Anyways, I think if you're a smart, mobile and good QB all in one, it beats being stupid but having a good arm. Garcia has a good arm, not a Brady, Manning, Romo or Brees arm, but a good arm, and having good senses and being intelligent in the pocket beats throwing it up and hoping the DE or SS don't pick it off, because of an erratic throw.

Going back to my Warner vs. McNabb post earlier in this thread, they have also been fortunate to be on great teams, through their leadership, skills, athleticism & intelligence, which got their teams to where they have been in the past and where they are today, this week to face each other.

Peyton Manning at No. 3 in the AFC? I would have him #1, or 2 at the lowest. Really hard to rank these three, but how about:

1. Roethlisberger
2. P. Manning
3. Brady

And really I would rank all three above all of the NFC quarterbacks...!!

Kyle Orton is NOT a top 5 quarterback. The Bears won't win a Super Bowl as long as he's their starter.

That is Jay Cutler, not Kyle

That is Jay Cutler, not Kyle
This is an old thread. Orton was QB of the Bears at the time.

I just hope Colt McCoy can get a lot more passes and one day he may be in the Top-5...and in Cleveland!