I came across the Charley Project page for Olive. Unfortunately, there is some sad news there to report. A couple of Ulysse's wives claim that he continued to beat Alexander after abducting him, and one of the wives claimed he had been killed. :(

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/o/olive_alexander.html

I came across the Charley Project page for Olive. Unfortunately, there is some sad news there to report. A couple of Ulysse's wives claim that he continued to beat Alexander after abducting him, and one of the wives claimed he had been killed. :(

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/o/olive_alexander.html

Can't say that I'm surprised but its very sad to hear...:(

To say that Judy Olive feels guilt is probably the understatement of the year, especially yesterday.

Yeah I feel bad for Judy Olive, it is just terrible. It was obvious in the segment that she would never forgive herself for getting involved in a cult and not protecting her son. I wonder what ever happened to Ulysses? He is low life scum that was taking advantage of numerous vulnerable young women and abusing both his wives and his children. My guess is Ulysses beat Alexander to death and disposed of the body in a location where it would never be found. I would guess somewhere in the mountains of Northern California.

Sad case, this lowlife should have been executed and the women who tried to pervert the course of justice should have recieved some jail time.

Sad case, this lowlife should have been executed and the women who tried to pervert the course of justice should have recieved some jail time.

I completely agree. It makes me sick to think this thing was able to roam free for years after murdering his own child. And just reading a few articles on the trial, it really becomes clear just how cruel and evil this "religious" man was. :mad: I hope the probation board has enough sense never to let him out of prison; and I hope he has a good time in prison as a child killer.:confused:

Well, trust me, this guy being in general population for what he was convicted of? That is more than enough punishment. Even if he would have got death, he would have never been executed. Execution would not be justice anyway as he has never revealed where the body of his son is. He did roam free for four or five years after Alexander presumably died, then he was convicted of rape and kidnapping and Washington State that was in 1990, 1991, somewhere in there and he was sentenced to 20 years in prison in Washington.

He was extradited from Washington State to California in 2004 when his trial was originally due to start. He had been charged with murder in October of 2001 but because he was already serving a prison sentence in Washington State he was left there until his trial was originally due to start. He delayed the trials for years by hiring and firing lawyers over and over again. Finally after 5 years of that nonsense the judge finally put a stop to it and said we are going to trial. He was charged with first degree murder and special circumstances but was acquitted of first degree murder and special circumstances went away.

Had he just been convicted of first degree murder but not the special circumstances (the jury also has to unanimously agree on any special circumstances in addition to the murder charge and it is common for them to agree to convict on murder 1 but not on the special circumstances) he would have got 25 years to life in prison. Had he been convicted of one or more of the special circumstances in addition to that the only possible sentences are LWOP and death.

Now I believe the jury was also instructed on lesser included offenses, 2nd degree murder (which Roberson which ultimately convicted of) and I believe also voluntary and involuntary manslaughter. It appears to me that the 2nd degree murder conviction was a compromise verdict. It usually is, if it is a lesser included offense to 1st degree murder. Some of the jurors clearly wanted 1st degree murder but there were some jurors that were not comfortable enough with the evidence to prove pre-meditation and thus wanted 2nd degree. He would get a life sentence either way so why not?

In this instance I think jurors on both sides of the coin were afraid if they were a hung jury that in the future, if Roberson got a new trial that he might get convicted only of manslaughter or that the prosecution might cave in because of the hung jury and offer Roberson a plea bargain to manslaughter and for as long as Roberson had been in jail, he would be given credit for the time spent in county jail in California awaiting trial, he would have already served a substantial amount of time for a voluntary manslaughter conviction. Clearly though, I would think that if they would offer Roberson a manslaughter plea it would only be if he showed them where the body of Alexander is? I would certainly hope they would require that out of him.

But anyway, to ensure there was not a hung jury and that it did not happen, the jurors that wanted first degree murder agreed to convict on 2nd degree murder to ensure there would not be a hung jury. So Roberson was acquitted of first degree murder but convicted of 2nd degree murder. Roberson was sentenced to 15 years to life in prison which is the automatic sentence for 2nd degree murder in California. My guess is due to his track record and his crime, it would be hard for him to survive in general population. Thus he probably got put into the 'sensitive needs' yard which is where child molesters, child killers, and gang members who have renounced their gangs get put.

But there were a few problems with the case. The biggest one was, shaky eyewitnesses. It does not seem that the jurors doubted that Roberson killed Alexander but they said without a body and with shaky eyewitness testimony it was hard to prove premeditation and thus were not comfortable with convicting Roberson of first degree murder.

Looking at it, Roberson will be eligible for parole in California in the year 2019. In the event that Roberson is ever released from prison in California he would be returned to Washington State to finish his prison sentence there. He served most of it before being extradited to California but he still has a couple years left on that prison sentence up there, his 20 year sentence.

Roberson though I was actually mistaken in that he will be eligible for parole earlier than I thought. Even though he has a 15 year to life mandatory sentence, which is the same now as it was in 1985, he was sentenced under 1985 laws when it came to good time credits.

At that time, in California, life inmates could not only get sentenced to the time served in county jail awaiting trial but also could get time applied to them for 'good time credit' added to their sentence thus reducing the time before they were parole eligible. Roberson was given credit for the time served in county jail at his sentencing in January, 1,147 days, which would be just short of 3 years, 2 months in county jail. Plus he was also given credit for an additional 572 days for good time jail credits.

I do think though it is highly unlikely that Roberson will ever be released from prison. Not just because of this conviction but he has a very lengthy criminal record going back decades. He has convictions for obstructing police, theft, forgery, assault, assault with a deadly weapon, unlawful sexual intercourse and of course the two child rape convictions in Washington State.

Kadrmas: Yeah, that makes total sense. I think you are absolutely right. I got the impression that the jury was sickened by Roberson and wanted to make sure he wasn't able to walk away; plus, it's actually understandable that, without a body and without strong, recent eyewitness testimony, the jury would not be able to determine premeditation.

I've noticed that a lot of child abuse cases end in 2nd degree murder, as it's easier to imagine a parent "flipping out" and "accidentally" murdering a child, than it is to think it was plotted in advance. I was surprised, though, that they didn't agree that there was torture involved, as the abuse testimony seemed very strong.

I was very happy to hear that he had already been serving 15 years for rape in Washington, as the thought of him living freely after what he did to a child was maddening. I doubt he'll ever be released.

Well, Roberson was charged with a special circumstance of torture in addition to another special circumstance of racial bias. It was rumored that he hated Alexander and abused him more than his other children because Alexander's mother was white. However in California, special circumstances only apply to first degree murder, thus when he was acquitted of that, they went away.

Special circumstances can even be hard to prove as even after the murder conviction the jury has to all agree on special circumstances. I remember a year or two ago, a guy was convicted of first degree murder and attempted robbery for killing an off duty LA County Sheriff's Deputy during an attempted robbery. He was charged with the special circumstance of 'laying in wait'. However the jury could not agree on that as some jurors were confused by the wording and thought that, oh well because she could see him approaching before he tried to rob her, it is not lying in wait.

Thus while he was convicted of first degree murder and attempted robbery the special circumstance was not agreed upon and thus the death penalty and LWOP were taken off of the table. He was later sentenced to 25 years to life in prison for first degree murder, plus four years in prison for attempted robbery to run consecutively for a total of 29 years to life. However this guy was the accomplice and not the guy that actually fired the gun. His accomplice's jury found the shooter guilty of the same crimes but also of the special circumstances and was sentenced to death.

Judy has to carry some of the blame for these events, clearly Ulyisses wasn't the type of person to run back to. :mad:

While that is true that he wasn't the type of person to run back to, you seem to not really take into account the cult like mentality and just how brainwashed these people become. Why do you think she went back to him in the first place?

Just saw this segment and I just can't comprehend how someone could do what he has. Most people would have nothing to do with the guy but unfortunately some people get themselves in relationships like that and find it hard to get away.

It makes me wonder if had he been offered some sort of plea bargain as to whether he would specify his son is buried.

I am not sure whether he ever was offered a plea deal or not? He sat in county jail for several years awaiting trial. But at trial, the state was going for a first degree murder conviction. However he was acquitted of first degree murder and convicted of the lesser included offense of second degree murder and was sentenced to 15 years to life in prison, the automatic sentence for 2nd degree murder in California.

Has this been on the new UM?

This case came to mind earlier. It was such a sad, sad case for this poor little boy, who was likely killed at the hands of his father. I am not a "blame the victim" type of person, but Judy Olive should bear some of the blame here. I realize that when people are in abusive relationships, that they tend to think this is all that they will ever have or this is the best that they'll ever have. But when you start caring for a child as well, your thought process HAS to change. Alexander should have never been left at the house with anyone other than his mother.

Also, the segment mentioned that Judy's family kidnapped her while she was pregnant to get her away from Ulysses, so clearly they were aware of the dangerous behavior he exhibited.

I just feel so terrible for this poor little boy.

This case came to mind earlier. It was such a sad, sad case for this poor little boy, who was likely killed at the hands of his father. I am not a "blame the victim" type of person, but Judy Olive should bear some of the blame here. I realize that when people are in abusive relationships, that they tend to think this is all that they will ever have or this is the best that they'll ever have. But when you start caring for a child as well, your thought process HAS to change. Alexander should have never been left at the house with anyone other than his mother.

Also, the segment mentioned that Judy's family kidnapped her while she was pregnant to get her away from Ulysses, so clearly they were aware of the dangerous behavior he exhibited.

I just feel so terrible for this poor little boy.i kind of feel the same way. looking back yes she should have stayed away from day 1. Then day 2 she should have left and not looked back. I mean if someone tells me that our psychic centers are aligned or whatever that would have scared the you know what out of me. :D

But seriously I feel bad for her. She is a victim and it kind of stinks for a mother when the only decision that she has is to take her child and run away. No doubt that was the decision that should have been made to save the child's life. Usually these cases like this are very hard. I blame Ulysses totally for being a slimebag.

i kind of feel the same way. looking back yes she should have stayed away from day 1. Then day 2 she should have left and not looked back. I mean if someone tells me that our psychic centers are aligned or whatever that would have scared the you know what out of me. :D

But seriously I feel bad for her. She is a victim and it kind of stinks for a mother when the only decision that she has is to take her child and run away. No doubt that was the decision that should have been made to save the child's life. Usually these cases like this are very hard. I blame Ulysses totally for being a slimebag.

I agree. I do feel sorry for her as well. I just hate seeing a poor child being beaten to death or abused at all. It sickens me.