I don't see a thread on this woman, who killed her husband, Charlie Sigmin, with the assistance of Garey Goff.

Garey served 13 years, 5 months.

Ann Sigmin, who has also used the aliases Andy Hays and Andy Partlowe, is still on the run. The charge of 1st degree murder has no statute of limitations.

They lived in Blytheville, AR, although the UM segment mentions Caruthersville, MO, which is half an hour away.

Another site mentions her name is Ann Mitchum Sigmin:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/ridgely-tn/TVNNUABJESVPT8K6S

So which family member is helping her hide out?

This case aired yesterday on Unsolved Mysteries on SPIKE.

I don't see a thread on this woman, who killed her husband, Charlie Sigmin, with the assistance of Garey Goff.

Garey served 13 years, 5 months.

Ann Sigmin, who has also used the aliases Andy Hays and Andy Partlowe, is still on the run. The charge of 1st degree murder has no statute of limitations.

They lived in Blytheville, AR, although the UM segment mentions Caruthersville, MO, which is half an hour away.

Another site mentions her name is Ann Mitchum Sigmin:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/ridgely-tn/TVNNUABJESVPT8K6S

So which family member is helping her hide out?

This case aired yesterday on Unsolved Mysteries on SPIKE.

Someone has got to be helping her. There's no way she's not caught by now being on her own unless she's gone to her maker Down Below. Hopefully, it's not another husband.

I remember there being a post on a board somewhere that said she had been living in Arkansas but that no one had contact with her.
Does this sound familiar to anyone?

That is in the link I gave joshy..that's about the only other information I can find about Ann Mitchum Sigman. Searched her name, too. The problem is, if there was any coverage, it was in a few newspapers that have not progressed to the internet era and still have a website from 1996. The only way to possibly see would be at a library on microfilm in the Blytheville, AR or Caruthersville, MO areas.

I think her last name is spelled Sigmund. That may be why you can't find anything.

That is in the link I gave joshy..that's about the only other information I can find about Ann Mitchum Sigman. Searched her name, too. The problem is, if there was any coverage, it was in a few newspapers that have not progressed to the internet era and still have a website from 1996. The only way to possibly see would be at a library on microfilm in the Blytheville, AR or Caruthersville, MO areas.


Wow I don't know how I read your post and missed that link. I guess that's what happens when you sit down to watch football and drink a few beers. Yes that's the same board I had found it on a while back. Thanks.

I think her last name is spelled Sigmund. That may be why you can't find anything.

The spelling I am using came from the Unsolved Mysteries segment, in addition to many guides from the show about the cases featured on it. Also, no one in the link given (people that knew her) complained about the spelling.

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/3203/annsigminoa3.jpg

Also:
"Ann Sigmin"
http://www.unsolved.com/wanted.html

Host Robert Stack details unsolved crimes including the case of an Iowa credit union .... Sigmin's ex-wife, Anne, claims the shooting was in self defense. ...
http://www.tv.com/unsolved-mysteries/show/4540/episode_guide.html&printable=1

November 30, 1988
Segments detail a U.S. airman’s claim of a frightening encounter with a UFO on Cape Cod in the 1960’s called “Missing Time”, and include a discussion of genetic experimentation said to involve non-Earthlings. Also: the search for suspects in the murder of Arkansas telephone worker Charlie Sigmin where his satan worshipping wife Anne is thought to be a suspect; teenager Jeremy Bright went missing from a county fair and foul play is suspected.


(I've also searched "Anne Sigmin")

August 8, 1990
Included: an update on a 1988 story about the murder of Arkansas man Charlie Sigmin; and repeat segments, also from 1988, on a UFO encounter and a missing teenager.

In addition:
INTELIUS

Ann Sigmin
Blytheville, AR


Blytheville newspaper: http://www.couriernews.net/
Caruthersville, MO newspaper: http://www.democratargus.com/

What I meant was some of the mentions on this forum have it as Sigmund. I thought you were talking about this forum.

ok I get the picture.

What I meant was some of the mentions on this forum have it as Sigmund. I thought you were talking about this forum.

No problem...I'm just surprised there aren't more threads on some of these UM cases.

I wanted to bump this because I just watched the original broadcast of this from 1988 and one of the police officers interviewed (the heavy set officer with the mustache) mentioned that he personally didn't believe that Charlie Sigmin was murdered.

He mentioned there was evidence that he saw at the scene of the crime that indicated that Goff and Anne Sigmin killed Charlie Sigmin in self defense. He mentioned there was significant damage done to the house indicating a struggle, the angle of the bullet wounds to Charlie's body as well as evidence that Goff had bruises all over his body. He said the biggest mistake Goff and Anne Sigmin made was leaving town because it made them look guilty. He did however also made a statement that showed some degree of bias in that he mentioned that in his opinion Goff was "not capable of first degree murder" which leads me to wonder if this officer was a friend of Goff's from his days as a police officer?

Stack also mentioned that a warrant has never been formally issued for Anne Sigmin and Gary Goff's arrest and mentioned that both might be compleately unaware that they are wanted. He also reached out to both of them personally in case they were watching UM encouraging them to turn themselves in.

Given the eventual update to the case aired on "Lifetime" a lot of this information is irrelevant but I found it interesting that the guilt Anne Sigmin and Gary Goff wasn't as nearly as cut and dry at the time as the rebroadcasts of the segment make us think it was.

She was not represented properly in the unsolved mystery episode. She did not worship the devil and they left out the fact that Charlie beat the hell out of her often. That's what he was attempting to do the day Garey shot him.

We have only heard from aunt Ann once since she left and it was within a short time after leaving. Garey did all the calling after that and her voice was never heard. We feel he killed her so she couldn't testify against him. We have also been told that was the second man he has killed and he used to be some type of lawman himself.

They need to start checking for a match with all of these Jane Does.

The whole Devil Worship angle was one of the biggest "WTFs" in any Unsolved Mysteries segment.

Strangely enough, devil worship came up a few times in UM, but there was usually some context to it. One was the grandmother that took her grandchild and exposed him to devil worship, but blamed it on the parents. Also the arsonist tape comes to mind where a clearly disturbed teenager turned out to be behind the arson and was into Devil Worship.

But here, it just comes right out of left field. Its just like "Oh and by the way, she worshiped the devil". I tend to believe that she acted in self defense, but that's just my take. The Devil Worship bit feels like something the family of the victim made up to make her look bad.

The whole Devil Worship angle was one of the biggest "WTFs" in any Unsolved Mysteries segment.

Strangely enough, devil worship came up a few times in UM, but there was usually some context to it. One was the grandmother that took her grandchild and exposed him to devil worship, but blamed it on the parents. Also the arsonist tape comes to mind where a clearly disturbed teenager turned out to be behind the arson and was into Devil Worship.

But here, it just comes right out of left field. Its just like "Oh and by the way, she worshiped the devil". I tend to believe that she acted in self defense, but that's just my take. The Devil Worship bit feels like something the family of the victim made up to make her look bad.

I tend to think the devil worship elements were included to make the story more sensational. Also, America was still in the throes of Satanic Panic. Satanists were blamed for a lot of unsolved crimes and were basically the "boogeyman" of the eighties and early nineties.

Some other UM stories involving Satanism -

Kurt McFall - allegedly murdered by a strange cult.

The Son of Sam - the murders were allegedly orchestrated by a Satanic cult.

Shane Stewart and Sally McNally - allegedly murdered by a cult.

Eric and Pam Ellender - allegedly murdered by teenage Satanists.

I tend to think the devil worship elements were included to make the story more sensational. Also, America was still in the throes of Satanic Panic. Satanists were blamed for a lot of unsolved crimes and were basically the "boogeyman" of the eighties and early nineties.

Some other UM stories involving Satanism -

Kurt McFall - allegedly murdered by a strange cult.

The Son of Sam - the murders were allegedly orchestrated by a Satanic cult.

Shane Stewart and Sally McNally - allegedly murdered by a cult.

Eric and Pam Ellender - allegedly murdered by teenage Satanists.

I always thought there was a great deal of validity to occult activity in both the "Son Of Sam" and Kurt McFall cases. Now whether or not the SOS murders were organized as an act of Satanism, I doubt we'll ever know that but I'm positive that David Berkowitz and his associates dabbled in Satanism.

As for McFall, while I'm not convinced that the Pagan group profiled on UM were responsible for Kurt's demise, I do believe that Kurt through his curiosity may have gotten involved with certain people who were later responsible for his death.

I always thought there was a great deal of validity to occult activity in both the "Son Of Sam" and Kurt McFall cases. Now whether or not the SOS murders were organized as an act of Satanism, I doubt we'll ever know that but I'm positive that David Berkowitz and his associates dabbled in Satanism.

As for McFall, while I'm not convinced that the Pagan group profiled on UM were responsible for Kurt's demise, I do believe that Kurt through his curiosity may have gotten involved with certain people who were later responsible for his death.

I never had a definitive opinion on Son of Sam.

On one hand, it's easy to watch the UM segment and come away believing in a conspiracy once the inconsistencies of the lone gunman theory are exposed. Most of these inconsistencies revolve around the Moskowitz shooting - the last known Son of Sam attack. Though it's probably worth noting that inconsistencies exist in some of the other shootings as well, especially one instance where the assailant was described as a female. Also noteworthy are Berkowitz's own claims of conspiracy and the involvement of a cult - a group he described as an extremist sect of the Process Church of Final Judgment. Interestingly enough, Berkowitz does not proclaim innocence, and has admitted that he was the triggerman in two of the attacks.

All that being said, some criminologists who have interviewed Berkowitz have have advanced the opinion that it is unlikely that someone with the introverted and antisocial tendencies he possessed would be involved with others in orchestrating the murders. They also feel that he may have fabricated the cult details so he could deny being directly involved in some of the shootings. I also find the actions of the police somewhat troubling, assuming a conspiracy existed. Was it ever suspected that they were looking for more than one shooter? If so, why did this line of investigation cease once Berkowitz was apprehended? I suppose one could argue the authorities and public wanted to believe the reign of terror was over. However, of all the people who who were involved in the investigation in an official capacity, not one person has stepped forward and claimed they suspected Berkowitz didn't act alone? For what it's worth, the case is still officially "open", but I don't think anything is being done currently.

Kurt McFall's death, I believe, was an accident. Of the two groups we know he was involved with, neither worshiped the devil and both seemed pretty benign. In fact, both organizations still exist today and there is a plethora of information available about them online. As to the possibility of Kurt being involved with a third group, while not impossible, I have never seen any evidence to support that contention.

Kurt McFall's death, I believe, was an accident. Of the two groups we know he was involved with, neither worshiped the devil and both seemed pretty benign. In fact, both organizations still exist today and there is a plethora of information available about them online. As to the possibility of Kurt being involved with a third group, while not impossible, I have never seen any evidence to support that contention.

My feeling is that Kurt didn't necessarily have had to join another group to get involved with people that may have facilitated his death on that evening. I personally believe that Carrillo had no idea what happened to Kurt except making the natural assumption that he may have fallen off the cliff.

However that isn't to say that Kurt didn't interact with people from Carrillo's group who may have been involved in things beyond Pagan religion. Again there is no way of proving this but the two things that always stick out at me about Kurt when I'm watching the segment are the words: curious and obsessive. Taken together those attitudes can be a lethal cocktail which can lead someone especially of Kurt's age down a path of no return. His insatiable curiosity about things that most people just plain avoid combined with his obsessive nature of getting deeper and deeper into these things may have been a really bad mix.

While I believe it's possibly Kurt's death may have been an accident I can't rule out the possibility that curiosity may have killed the cat in this case with apologies for the crudeness of that statement.

I wanted to bump this because I just watched the original broadcast of this from 1988 and one of the police officers interviewed (the heavy set officer with the mustache) mentioned that he personally didn't believe that Charlie Sigmin was murdered.

He mentioned there was evidence that he saw at the scene of the crime that indicated that Goff and Anne Sigmin killed Charlie Sigmin in self defense. He mentioned there was significant damage done to the house indicating a struggle, the angle of the bullet wounds to Charlie's body as well as evidence that Goff had bruises all over his body. He said the biggest mistake Goff and Anne Sigmin made was leaving town because it made them look guilty. He did however also made a statement that showed some degree of bias in that he mentioned that in his opinion Goff was "not capable of first degree murder" which leads me to wonder if this officer was a friend of Goff's from his days as a police officer?

Stack also mentioned that a warrant has never been formally issued for Anne Sigmin and Gary Goff's arrest and mentioned that both might be compleately unaware that they are wanted. He also reached out to both of them personally in case they were watching UM encouraging them to turn themselves in.

Given the eventual update to the case aired on "Lifetime" a lot of this information is irrelevant but I found it interesting that the guilt Anne Sigmin and Gary Goff wasn't as nearly as cut and dry at the time as the rebroadcasts of the segment make us think it was.


They said in the segment that Anne incriminated herself (without giving details) and she asked her friend to wait a while before going to police because she needed time to leave town. That sounds like someone who is guilty to me.

She was not represented properly in the unsolved mystery episode. She did not worship the devil and they left out the fact that Charlie beat the hell out of her often. That's what he was attempting to do the day Garey shot him.

We have only heard from aunt Ann once since she left and it was within a short time after leaving. Garey did all the calling after that and her voice was never heard. We feel he killed her so she couldn't testify against him. We have also been told that was the second man he has killed and he used to be some type of lawman himself.

They need to start checking for a match with all of these Jane Does.
Hmmm...interesting post here...

She was not represented properly in the unsolved mystery episode. She did not worship the devil and they left out the fact that Charlie beat the hell out of her often. That's what he was attempting to do the day Garey shot him.

If you had read the article for this case on UM's website, you would know that's not true. Her alleged satan worshipping/withcraft was not even the focal point of the investigation, it was merely the reason why Charlie asked Ann to move out.

And where exactly is the link which says Charlie beat her often? I can't imagine a detail like that would be excluded, unless it was untrue or could not be verified. I understand shows like UM are in the business of getting more viewers in order to get leads on cases, but I'd like to think they wouldn't throw in misleading information just because they felt like it, or exclude anything which is important.

Except from UM's website for this case:

Unfortunately, no blood sample was taken from Charlie's body to find out if he had been drinking. But even if Ann's story was true, there still might be grounds for a charge of premeditated murder if Ann and Garey had both fired at Charlie. Police conducted a powder residue test to see if Ann had also fired a gun, but it was inconclusive. Ann Sigmin and Garey Goff were then released. The investigation, however, continued. Apparently, Ann had told a friend that she had reasons for wanting Charlie dead. Chief Deputy Jack Davis of the Pemiscot County Sheriff's department convinced the friend to wear a wire, hoping that Ann would say something that would be an admission of guilt:

"We had to do something different than what we were doing. She had, in talking with Miss Sigmin, told her she was fixing to go to the police. Miss Sigmin ultimately told her not to go to the police... and give her... and Mr. Goff time to leave town. She incriminated herself on the tape."
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I find it hard to believe that someone acting in self-defence would kill a person, then go on the run. If you want to say she probably panicked, fine. But consider this, if it were premeditated then it would take a calm and collective mind to carry out such a crime. Ann called Garey and asked him to come over, and voila, he ends up dead. No coincidence there.

Someone claiming to be Goff posted in the topix (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/caruthersville-mo/TVNNUABJESVPT8K6S/p7#c134) thread last year:

Ann is doing fine living near here. just leave her alone. she cut herself a very good deal. no one has ever spent much time looking for her. I spent 15 years in 12 in prison I paid for Charles. As I held Charlie head in my hand the last words he spoke was GAREY Im not mad at you. If there had been a trial it would have been a 3 ring circus. If Ann had came back we both would have walk. If Ann came back now Premscott would be Americans newest comic strip. I've made three tapes in the last year the show coming on A&E . Ann never loved anyone all the time. She did the best she could do. Be careful what u wish for u might get it.

Who knows it it's even Goff posting, but the poster did properly spell Goff's first name. Premscott may mean Pemiscot County, MO, where Caruthersville is located and where he apparently lived after his release from prison. A post (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/caruthersville-mo/TUGVVDV96M63GOE8O#c11)on another topix thread mentions where's he lived since being released from prison. A Gary Goff had his house burglarized in 2011: http://www.dddnews.com/story/1797544.html

I'm doubtful that Goff doesn't have more knowledge about her disappearance than he's claimed, but with the passing of years it wouldn't be too difficult for Sigmin to keep a low profile, especially since her composite sketch was one of the worst ones featured on UM.

So I watched this segment again recently and got to thinking about the likelihood that this was, in fact, a self-defense shooting given some of the information presented in the segment. Bear in mind, I'm not saying this is necessarily what I think happened, but I wanted to share my thoughts with some of y'all here.

Aspects I think could be supportive of a self-defense theory:

1. Charlie Sigmin was depressed and distraught over the separation, maintained relatively regular contact with Ann, and had a clear motive to attack Ann and/or Garey Goff given both Ann's moving in with Goff as well as the alleged phone calls he had been receiving from Goff. Additionally, I'm not sure how accurate the reenactment is, but there were scenes of Charlie drinking in a bar shortly after Ann moved out of the house. If he began to drink afterwards, that may have been an exacerbating factor.

2. LE universally (as far as we know) described the scene as appearing as though there had been a huge struggle, and both Goff and Sigmin told police that this was exactly what happened. On the surface that appears to be consistent.

3. Sigmin and Goff also both admitted to handling the two weapons at the scene. As the first weapon was a revolver, it is possible that Goff fired until all the loaded rounds were expended. As none of these shots were fatal, he then took the pistol from Ann (who may have retrieved it knowing that Goff had six or less rounds in the revolver available) and was able to fire the fatal shot from that weapon.

Goff would have had one free arm to aim and fire that weapon as the other was broken at the time. Perhaps this is why there was such a wide dispersion of wounds on Charlie Sigmin. Goff would not have been able to steady and aim the firearm appropriately, especially if he had to use his non-firing hand.

Additionally, Ann also submitted to a gun shot residue test--which she didn't have to do at that point in the investigation.

4. According to the testimony given by Charlie's friend, Charlie was sober when he left the house to go to Ann's. This doesn't necessarily mean that he was. He may not have been "falling down drunk" as it were, but he may have been technically under the influence of alcohol when he showed up at Goff's house. Again, I'm not at all saying this is the case, but it is a possibility.

5. Ann seemed to "incriminate herself on the tape" by telling her wired friend that she wanted time to get out of time before her friend went to the police. I'm not sure if that's entirely an indication of guilt, per se. If either Goff or Sigmin had a prior record, perhaps one or both of them felt as though they would definitely be collared for murder with little chance of recourse.



Although Ann's "satanist" behavior was disturbing and strange, I tend to think that particular aspect of the case may have been overemphasized regarding her potential for committing the crime. I don't think one can necessarily disregard it altogether, but given some of the pieces of information listed above, I don't know if I can throw all my chips in on the premeditated murder theory right now. Even the investigating officer felt the two were telling the truth about what happened that night when he brought the case to the prosecutor.

Again, I'm not trying to be an Ann Sigmin apologist, but I'm not currently getting a definite warm fuzzy on the murder theory.

Thoughts?

Looking back through this thread, I found this interesting post from three years ago by "Tresa", one of those one-hit wonder posters who never showed up in the forum again...

She was not represented properly in the unsolved mystery episode. She did not worship the devil and they left out the fact that Charlie beat the hell out of her often. That's what he was attempting to do the day Garey shot him.

We have only heard from aunt Ann once since she left and it was within a short time after leaving. Garey did all the calling after that and her voice was never heard. We feel he killed her so she couldn't testify against him. We have also been told that was the second man he has killed and he used to be some type of lawman himself.

They need to start checking for a match with all of these Jane Does.

Of course, you have to take this information with a grain of salt, yet the segment did mention that Charlie was drinking too much at the time of the separation. I don't know, every time I watch it, I always get a weird vibe that UM downplayed this a little bit and that there might have been a darker, more violent side to Charlie when he was drunk. Sure, they tried to portray him as a nice man, but it wasn't unheard-of for UM to sometimes leave out less-than-flattering information about a murder victim (e.g. Angelo Desidari being a drug dealer) so that they didn't seem too unsympathetic. Let's put it this way, all these allegations about Charlie beating Ann may be B.S., but I wouldn't be overly shocked if they were true.

However, I wouldn't discount the notion of Charlie being abusive AND his death still being premeditated murder. Ann could have lured Charlie to her house to kill him under the assumption that people would believe the self-defense story if Charlie had a known history of being violent. Like you said, the investigating officer seemed to believe their claims of self-defense at first.

I still lean towards murder because Ann did eventually go on the run, but have always had the suspicion this case wasn't as black-and-white as it appeared.

Of course, you have to take this information with a grain of salt, yet the segment did mention that Charlie was drinking too much at the time of the separation. I don't know, every time I watch it, I always get a weird vibe that UM downplayed this a little bit and that there might have been a darker, more violent side to Charlie when he was drunk. Sure, they tried to portray him as a nice man, but it wasn't unheard-of for UM to sometimes leave out less-than-flattering information about a murder victim (e.g. Angelo Desidari being a drug dealer) so that they didn't seem too unsympathetic. Let's put it this way, all these allegations about Charlie beating Ann may be B.S., but I wouldn't be overly shocked if they were true.

Yeah, those are close to my sentiments as well. I'm sure he probably was an extremely nice man most of the time. But many people who are wonderful otherwise often become very different people when they drink, or are experiencing great stress in their lives.

Perhaps the truth about the allegations lies somewhere in between: maybe Charlie was loud, domineering, and say, grabbed Ann's arm once when they were fighting, but never actually struck her. (Not that this is any better than striking a person, but there is something of a marked difference). It's difficult to say just given what we know.

However, I wouldn't discount the notion of Charlie being abusive AND his death still being premeditated murder. Ann could have lured Charlie to her house to kill him under the assumption that people would believe the self-defense story if Charlie had a known history of being violent. Like you said, the investigating officer seemed to believe their claims of self-defense at first.

That's a fair point and I think maybe it could go back to the whole "the truth is somewhere in between" principle. Also, as much as it was reiterated that Charlie had a strong relationship with Ann's sons and was deeply concerned for their welfare at that point, perhaps this could have been the trigger for an otherwise placid man to absolutely freak out on the two people he felt was endangering the boys. Maybe Ann and Garey could have even incorporated this into their planning knowing it would evoke a very strong response from Charlie, thereby increasing the likelihood that a scene would be left behind supporting Goff and Ann's version of events.

I still lean towards murder because Ann did eventually go on the run, but have always had the suspicion this case wasn't as black-and-white as it appeared.

Yeah, I tend to agree. I have always been a little curious about Charlie's previous two marriages and why they dissolved. Could be ultimately meaningless, but that's impossible to ascertain from the segment alone.

That's a fair point and I think maybe it could go back to the whole "the truth is somewhere in between" principle. Also, as much as it was reiterated that Charlie had a strong relationship with Ann's sons and was deeply concerned for their welfare at that point, perhaps this could have been the trigger for an otherwise placid man to absolutely freak out on the two people he felt was endangering the boys. Maybe Ann and Garey could have even incorporated this into their planning knowing it would evoke a very strong response from Charlie, thereby increasing the likelihood that a scene would be left behind supporting Goff and Ann's version of events.

Yeah, I sometimes forget that Charlie wasn't actually the father of those two boys, but seemed to love them as if they were his very own. The segment says Charlie was the one who put an end to the relationship and it was mostly due to his uneasiness with Ann's Satanism and witchcraft. However, there really wasn't anything else to indicate that Ann was an unfit mother until she called Charlie on the night of the murder threatening suicide, which does lend credence to your theory that she was pushing his buttons to lure him to their house in an angry rage. Even if the whole shooting was self-defense, it's hard to feel much sympathy for Ann since she decided to skip town and abandon her two boys. Hopefully, they turned out okay after having their mother run off and a loving stepfather get killed.

On a personal note, I'm pretty sure this is the very first UM segment I ever saw as I remember tuning into this episode when it originally aired in 1988. As silly as the Satanism stuff seems now, that scene was pretty damn creepy at the time.

Even if the whole shooting was self-defense, it's hard to feel much sympathy for Ann since she decided to skip town and abandon her two boys. Hopefully, they turned out okay after having their mother run off and a loving stepfather get killed.

Agreed in full. I hope they had someplace to go--UM never really told us much about the boys, really.

On a personal note, I'm pretty sure this is the very first UM segment I ever saw as I remember tuning into this episode when it originally aired in 1988. As silly as the Satanism stuff seems now, that scene was pretty damn creepy at the time.

That scene looks like something that would have given me nightmares as a child. Probably for the best that I never caught that one!

Looking back through this thread, I found this interesting post from three years ago by "Tresa", one of those one-hit wonder posters who never showed up in the forum again...



Of course, you have to take this information with a grain of salt, yet the segment did mention that Charlie was drinking too much at the time of the separation. I don't know, every time I watch it, I always get a weird vibe that UM downplayed this a little bit and that there might have been a darker, more violent side to Charlie when he was drunk. Sure, they tried to portray him as a nice man, but it wasn't unheard-of for UM to sometimes leave out less-than-flattering information about a murder victim (e.g. Angelo Desidari being a drug dealer) so that they didn't seem too unsympathetic. Let's put it this way, all these allegations about Charlie beating Ann may be B.S., but I wouldn't be overly shocked if they were true.

However, I wouldn't discount the notion of Charlie being abusive AND his death still being premeditated murder. Ann could have lured Charlie to her house to kill him under the assumption that people would believe the self-defense story if Charlie had a known history of being violent. Like you said, the investigating officer seemed to believe their claims of self-defense at first.

I still lean towards murder because Ann did eventually go on the run, but have always had the suspicion this case wasn't as black-and-white as it appeared.

Whoever posted that might have been a family member of Ann's.

However, even if that's the case, if even her husband Charles didn't knew she was doing devil worship, how likely is it that her other family will know about it?

Also, I find it rather implausible Goff murdered Ann; for him to have killed her fearing that she would expose him to the authorities, and yet surrender voluntarily to the police after that, just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

Last but not least, if she aint guilty, like so many pple have said, she wouldn't have begged the friend not to report her and give her time to skip town.

And skipping town for so long, abandoning 2 sons for good, is something an innocent party would ever do.

I apologize for bumping this old thread but curiosity got the better of me. Did Garey Goff serve any prison time for killing Charlie?

I apologize for bumping this old thread but curiosity got the better of me. Did Garey Goff serve any prison time for killing Charlie?

I read that he served 13 years of his 20 year sentence.

I apologize for bumping this old thread but curiosity got the better of me. Did Garey Goff serve any prison time for killing Charlie?

Yes, he plead guilty to second-degree murder, was sentenced to 20 years and was released after serving 13. I guess he figured he would get a lighter sentence if he turned himself in willingly and it worked out in the long run for him since he's a free man now. I'm sure Ann Sigmin's sentence would probably get a much larger sentence if she is ever apprehended.

I'm sure Ann Sigmin's sentence would probably get a much larger sentence if she is ever apprehended.

Might help if they re-did the WORST. COMPOSITE. DRAWINGS. EVER. MADE. considering how much time has passed.

The devil worship twaddle was so wtf that it cast doubt on everything I saw in the segment, although it made for splendid TV.

I just rewatched this case and I have to say I honestly thing the self-defense theory is unbelievable and here is why I think that.

1. The friend of Charles was with him when he got the phone call. Even if you arent falling down drunk most people can tell when someone has been drinking and drunk enough to turn violent as you can smell it on them. And she stated that he thought he was being set up and that Ann had said on the phone that she was going to commit suicide. Dont know of any reason the friend would lie about that...so if she is telling the truth why would he arrive there mad and beat her up out of nowhere

2. The wire tapped friend stated that Ann had told her she had reasons to kill Charles...so that combined with the voodoo doll thing I took to mean that she wanted him dead. If she did I feel that she thought for quite a while a way to get rid of him that would make people think she was innocent. And Goff might of been the type of guy that would go along with anything his woman told him to do, even murder

3. Ive always felt uneasy with the length of "self-defense" they went to...Even in panic do you really shoot that many times at the head when the attacker doesnt have a weapon? That never sat right with me, although Ive never been in that situation so one wouldnt know unless they were so this point is merely opinion without knowledge of the situation. While Im not ruling out self-defense completely I just find there are way more holes in that theory than murder. So I think just as its possible as there was a struggle and they shot him in self defense I think its also possible that either Charles struggled with Goff because he was shooting at him and he was trying to get the gun away or when Charles got there they told him to come in and shot him when he walked in the door and set up a crime scene like there was a struggle...I also found it odd that if he was viciously beating her that they never said she had any marks on her...youd think being savagely beaten would leave some marks.


Those are just my opinions and I could be wrong, but it is at this time my current take on the case

Just rewatched this on Amazon.

At first I thought it was possible that this could have been self defense, but then Ann Sigmin's story would make absolutely no sense. Charlie's friend was there when Ann called him. For one, why would Ann have called Charlie in the first place and essentially ask him over if she was done and moved on from him? Two, if Ann simply called to talk, why would Charlie lie to his friend about the contents of the call? So going off of the phone call, Ann told Charlie that the kids missed him and that she was suicidal, and that she wanted him to come over. Charlie's initially suspicious, and debates taking his gun, because he thinks it's a setup. All of this is verified by his friend (who gave a heartbreaking interview in the segment). Charlie ultimately leaves the gun behind and heads over. According to Ann he shows up in a drunken fury and pushes himself inside before he starts beating on Ann. Why would Charlie do any of this if it was Ann who invited him over? Why would he instantly go from "I have to go stop Ann from killing herself" to "I have to brutally beat Ann up because she won't take me back"? Makes zero sense.

I think the police officer interviewed in the segment was friends with Garey Goff, which is why he made the comment about "Garey wouldn't be capable of murder". I think Charlie went over to the house, Ann invited him in, and an argument started between Garey and Charlie, which led to a fight, which then led to Charlie's murder. If this was in fact self defense, why flee the area? And after Goff turned himself in to authorities, why not claim self defense again and have Ann as a witness? Why would he plead guilty to 2nd degree murder?

Might help if they re-did the WORST. COMPOSITE. DRAWINGS. EVER. MADE. considering how much time has passed.

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Seriously... Every time I see this case I look at the updated composite of her and think, "Did some high school kid whip this out between classes?" It doesn't even look real. There is about a zero percent chance that composite would serve any purpose. I just wish we knew why they made such a poor picture.

I think the police officer interviewed in the segment was friends with Garey Goff, which is why he made the comment about "Garey wouldn't be capable of murder". I think Charlie went over to the house, Ann invited him in, and an argument started between Garey and Charlie, which led to a fight, which then led to Charlie's murder. If this was in fact self defense, why flee the area? And after Goff turned himself in to authorities, why not claim self defense again and have Ann as a witness? Why would he plead guilty to 2nd degree murder?

I have an edited version of this segment but have seen the original NBC version before, as I remember Bonita Sigmin's "She does not worship God" comment, but had forgotten about the officer's "I don't think Garey Goff is capable of murder; Ann I've got questions about" line.

I too immediately suspected he may have known Goff as he was apparently at one point a police officer himself. The comment by its nature would seem to denote some degree of personal familiarity.

I have an edited version of this segment but have seen the original NBC version before, as I remember Bonita Sigmin's "She does not worship God" comment, but had forgotten about the officer's "I don't think Garey Goff is capable of murder; Ann I've got questions about" line.

I too immediately suspected he may have known Goff as he was apparently at one point a police officer himself. The comment by its nature would seem to denote some degree of personal familiarity.

I had only seen the prior edited version before, and had no idea that there was a possible self defense angle played up in the original segment. Although this could have been a ruse to try and get Sigmin and Goff to return to face the music.

Yes, he plead guilty to second-degree murder, was sentenced to 20 years and was released after serving 13. I guess he figured he would get a lighter sentence if he turned himself in willingly and it worked out in the long run for him since he's a free man now. I'm sure Ann Sigmin's sentence would probably get a much larger sentence if she is ever apprehended.

Depends,if she gets apprehended 10-20 years from now she will be a Senior Citizen who could use ill health to get a shorter sentence then typical for that crime since she was actually never charged.

It was precisely this kind of case that made UM such a delight in its first decade. I mean, the po-facedness with which the writers and producers presented this preposterous case (she worships Satan, oh dear)!

Depends,if she gets apprehended 10-20 years from now she will be a Senior Citizen who could use ill health to get a shorter sentence then typical for that crime since she was actually never charged.

I agree. The case is decades old, Ann would claim self defense and probably get a lighter sentence. Just my opinion, but I don't think she's still alive.

I've always thought that Goff knew more about Ann's fate than he's said, since he's claimed to have been in touch with her (this in contrast to her family hearing nothing from her in decades). Possibly abuse from Charlie was a partial motive, but Goff obviously was capable of murder and careful enough to get a better deal for himself.

I was just thinking about this case the other day. We all tend to agree that the Devil worship angle was really played up due to the Satanic panic of the late 80s, but I’m beginning to wonder if there was even any such worship in the first place.

Charlie’s mother and friend relay the story about Ann sitting in her nightie meditating and the voodoo doll, but we really only have Charlie’s word that any of this took place and since he’s dead, it’s basically hearsay. And Charlie’s mom and friend, while I feel sorry for their loss, are hardly unbiased. Yes, Garey Goff claimed when he was captured that Ann threatened to kill him via Satanic rituals, but that also could have been his way of trying to paint himself more of a victim by pandering the fears of the era. After all, this all took place in a Bible Belt state in the 1980s.

I wonder if Ann was in fact just doing some type of yoga or other meditation exercise and Charlie had a cow over it. Some very devout Christians view any other religion, and sometimes even other forms of Christianity that differ from their own, as products of Satan. Someone on Reddit suggested that if Ann was involved in a new age or other non-Christian religion, she may have had a hard time getting a fair trial in such a God-fearing town and that’s why she fled. I don’t think that’s necessarily an unfair assessment given when this took place.

I’m not sticking up for Ann at all. I think she likely pre-meditated Charlie’s murder and must be held accountable. But I also don’t think this case is just a matter of a nice unassuming Christian man falling in love with a deranged woman who ended up killing him because Satan. I’m sure there’s a lot more to this case than UM let on and if Ann is ever found, I’d be very interested to hear her side of the story. With Satanic Panic long gone, I have a feeling that people nowadays would be a little more willing to listen.

I always wondered what became of Ann’s sons. They seem almost forgotten.

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I always wondered what became of Ann’s sons. They seem almost forgotten.

My thoughts exactly. Where were the kids the night of the killing and what happened to them after?
1 of the few occasions where someone is missing for that long and I think there is a good chance they are still alive.
Although be hard to imagine not getting in contact with her kids...then again maybe she has?

Just watched this case yet again and I have to wonder if Garey didn't actually kill Ann at some point after they got out of town??

If there was any premeditation involved with Charlie's killing, I don't think it was on Garey's part, but Ann's and Ann's alone.

I think whatever happened was instigated by Ann. If Charlie didn't show up drunk as she claims, then she instigated/started some kind of argument or fight. She manipulated that argument/fight to the point where Garey got drawn in and was forced to defend himself with a gun. I also think she fired a few shots herself for good measure.

*(Ann doesn't necessarily have to be involved in satanism for this to work; nor does Charlie have to be all innocent and god-fearing as he was portrayed - it could go either way for both of them and still work)

Skipping town was an obvious next step. Now as to whether something happened along the way and Garey just snapped (after getting into an argument with Ann perhaps) or Garey decided at some point to kill her, Ann eventually ended up dead.

After disposing of her body, Garey probably figures there's no way he can return to a normal life without spending *some* time behind bars, so he turns himself in and makes it sound like Ann's still alive - pinning it all on her and shielding himself from other possible (and more serious) charges.

Watched this segment recently on YouTube.

The strongest impression I got of Ann Sigmin was of a chronic substance abuser and trashy, aging party girl. The satan worship thing could have been real but if so it was likely the result of some wacky sex and drug activities she was involved in rather than serious belief.

Charlie was obviously a guy with bad taste in women who probably couldn’t handle Ann’s lifestyle and she probably thought he was a wuss only good for dishing out money. Gary was the type of Skynyrd fan who could keep up with her, but a woman like that will mess up a man’s life in one way or another.

I doubt she’s alive today. She was exactly the type that ODs on something or hooks up with a man who doesn’t mind digging shallow graves.

Watched this segment recently on YouTube.

The strongest impression I got of Ann Sigmin was of a chronic substance abuser and trashy, aging party girl.

as opposed to Charlie?

as opposed to Charlie? I don’t think Charlie was a wildman, he just made bad decisions.

has ann ever been found? gary cried alot over her being gone always said he hoped she was alive somewhere

has ann ever been found? gary cried alot over her being gone always said he hoped she was alive somewhere

She's Satan's bride.

Watched this segment recently on YouTube.

The strongest impression I got of Ann Sigmin was of a chronic substance abuser and trashy, aging party girl. The satan worship thing could have been real but if so it was likely the result of some wacky sex and drug activities she was involved in rather than serious belief.

Charlie was obviously a guy with bad taste in women who probably couldn’t handle Ann’s lifestyle and she probably thought he was a wuss only good for dishing out money. Gary was the type of Skynyrd fan who could keep up with her, but a woman like that will mess up a man’s life in one way or another.

I doubt she’s alive today. She was exactly the type that ODs on something or hooks up with a man who doesn’t mind digging shallow graves.

This is easier to believe than Gary killing her - wonder if UM deliberately left drugs or anything pointing in that direction out, in favor of the Satanism angle??

I can't really explain why (maybe it's because he turned himself in), but over the years I've kind of come to think Ann lured Charlie to the house to be killed by Garey, but not by a premeditated plan in which Garey played an informed part. I think Ann was reasonably sure she could successfully craft (no pun intended) a situation in which Goff would shoot Charlie in what the former thought was pure defense. I think he is probably alluding to this in the update when he says, "I don't know what all went on that night, and the only way I'll ever know is to find Ann."

I can't really explain why (maybe it's because he turned himself in), but over the years I've kind of come to think Ann lured Charlie to the house to be killed by Garey, but not by a premeditated plan in which Garey played an informed part. I think Ann was reasonably sure she could successfully craft (no pun intended) a situation in which Goff would shoot Charlie in what the former thought was pure defense. I think he is probably alluding to this in the update when he says, "I don't know what all went on that night, and the only way I'll ever know is to find Ann."

I agree that this is possible. The only other scenario that I have thought of over the years waS THAT Goff did indeed help Ann lure Charlie to her house to instigate a fight and then kill him and claim "self defense", and that while on the run, Ann wanted to turn herself in but Goff murdered her too and concealed her body. He then turns himself in to police (to make him look less guilty than Ann) and publicly pleads for her to turn herself in. Maybe I'm giving Goff too much credit here, but the fact that no trace of Ann Sigmin has ever surfaced since her original disappearance makes me lean more towards her being dead.

I agree that this is possible. The only other scenario that I have thought of over the years waS THAT Goff did indeed help Ann lure Charlie to her house to instigate a fight and then kill him and claim "self defense", and that while on the run, Ann wanted to turn herself in but Goff murdered her too and concealed her body. He then turns himself in to police (to make him look less guilty than Ann) and publicly pleads for her to turn herself in. Maybe I'm giving Goff too much credit here, but the fact that no trace of Ann Sigmin has ever surfaced since her original disappearance makes me lean more towards her being dead.


Indeed. The only question then is did she do it herself/OD or did Goff do it to cover himself?

Yeah, those are close to my sentiments as well. I'm sure he probably was an extremely nice man most of the time. But many people who are wonderful otherwise often become very different people when they drink, or are experiencing great stress in their lives.

Perhaps the truth about the allegations lies somewhere in between: maybe Charlie was loud, domineering, and say, grabbed Ann's arm once when they were fighting, but never actually struck her. (Not that this is any better than striking a person, but there is something of a marked difference). It's difficult to say just given what we know.



That's a fair point and I think maybe it could go back to the whole "the truth is somewhere in between" principle. Also, as much as it was reiterated that Charlie had a strong relationship with Ann's sons and was deeply concerned for their welfare at that point, perhaps this could have been the trigger for an otherwise placid man to absolutely freak out on the two people he felt was endangering the boys. Maybe Ann and Garey could have even incorporated this into their planning knowing it would evoke a very strong response from Charlie, thereby increasing the likelihood that a scene would be left behind supporting Goff and Ann's version of events.



Yeah, I tend to agree. I have always been a little curious about Charlie's previous two marriages and why they dissolved. Could be ultimately meaningless, but that's impossible to ascertain from the segment alone.

I watched this segment yesterday and a couple of things stood out.

1. When he left the house to go see Ann after the call, did he perhaps stop somewhere for liquid courage?

2. What if Ann was the manipulator of both Charlie and Garey? The segment said Ann would call Charles and then he would get a call from Garey a short time later yelling at him accusing him of stuff. Maybe Ann would call Charlie, then get off the phone, tell Garey she felt harassed or scared, so being her boyfriend, he called up Charlie and defended her honor.

That night, Ann decided to play her trump card and pushed the right buttons to not only get Charlie there, but also fired up. Then, whether he was drinking or not, pushed the buttons, maybe with her sons, that made him go over the edge. Knowing this, Ann called Garey to come save her, which he does.

Just a thought.

I can't really explain why (maybe it's because he turned himself in), but over the years I've kind of come to think Ann lured Charlie to the house to be killed by Garey, but not by a premeditated plan in which Garey played an informed part. I think Ann was reasonably sure she could successfully craft (no pun intended) a situation in which Goff would shoot Charlie in what the former thought was pure defense. I think he is probably alluding to this in the update when he says, "I don't know what all went on that night, and the only way I'll ever know is to find Ann."

This is exactly what I believe happened. She knew Garey would kill Charlie if there was some sort of provocation. What I'm wondering is, was Garey's presence in the house enough to set off Charlie? By all accounts, he did not know Garey would be there. I'm wondering if Ann invited both over unbeknownst to the other, with Garey's arrival occurring after Charlie's in an attempt to set him off. It would also explain why the house was in such disarray.

Any updates?

Sexism aside, I found this comment on Unsolved Mysteries website quite interesting:



If this is true, then it is quite possible that if she's still alive she looks drastically different. It could also mean that she died from an overdose, but how would her body have been unidentified all of these years later?

LE all over this country has multiple UIDs. It’s possible. I don’t know how likely.

I read through all four pages and have watched this segment numerous times. I don't think it's that difficult to figure out.

Ann called Charlie over and when he got there, they got into a fight. The fight escalated into violence and homicide, but there was no premeditation to kill Charlie that night. It's a classic 2nd Degree Murder or Manslaughter situation. Ann ran because she knew she was guilty of that and would go to jail. She does sound like a partier and is likely dead from that lifestyle.

There was a one post wonder referenced back on page 1 or 2 claiming to be a relative of Ann's. I think this same person (or someone related to them) made this (https://www.reddit.com/r/coldcases/comments/mp0g4k/ann_sigmin_caruthersville_missouri_missing_and/) post on reddit. I don't see why a random person not connected to this case would pretend to be related to Ann Sigmin, so assuming the information is true, her family has not heard from her since 1986. Which fits with the theory that at some point on the run, Garey Goff killed her before turning himself in. One of the comments on that reddit thread link to a Jane Doe who committed suicide in Oregon (a place reported on UM where Ann may be hiding under an assumed name) in 1994. I think it looks like her. Here (https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1265ufor.html) is the link to the Doe Network's profile.

Still one of the most unintentionally hilarious of UM episodes. "Mama, this woman does not worship God." :lol: