This case always bothered me. Kristi disappeared after crashing her car in the middle of the woods, the second time such an incident occurred. When the car was found, the interior had been wrecked and Kristi was nowhere to be found. Supposedly several truckers reported giving her lifts over the next few years.

Did she ruin the interior herself out of frustration? Do you think she had such a psychological break that she would have walked away from everything, never contacting her parents again?

:confused:

I have always wondered about her myself. I think she did disappear of her own free will for whatever reason, and met with foul play later on, sadly. So many years have passed since her disappearance, why would she not have contacted her parents or any other family members in all this time? Maybe she intended to temporarily disappear and come back when she was ready, but met with foul play along the way somewhere. I hope I am wrong, but my gut is telling me that is what happened!

I have always wondered about her myself. I think she did disappear of her own free will for whatever reason, and met with foul play later on, sadly. So many years have passed since her disappearance, why would she not have contacted her parents or any other family members in all this time? Maybe she intended to temporarily disappear and come back when she was ready, but met with foul play along the way somewhere. I hope I am wrong, but my gut is telling me that is what happened!

I agree. I've always that was what might have happened. Her wires fried out and while she was wandering about, she died, either from foul play or by exposure out in the woods.

wasn't there another car involved in this wreck, or am i thinking of something else?

Kristi's story is not the only one with the same basic facts. Most of the others are college students. Remember Brian Shaffer, Maura Murray, Michael Negrete, or Justin Gains? One student, Ron Tammen, has been missing fifty years.

The first cases noted were in 1880's France. One man walked from France to Moscow before recovering his senses and remembering who he was.

My site is about a little known feature of all human physiology that was discovered to cause mental breaks. The cubicle was designed to deal with it in business offices by 1968.

Kristi may be especially sensitive to Subliminal Distraction exposure. Her case is unusual because she had two mental events both happened after working in fast food establishments. There are comments in the story to show she might not have full amnesia.

SD is believed to cause a harmless temporary episode of confusion with possible psychotic-like features. It is unknown by anyone in mental health services. Experts in psychology and psychiatry believe mental illness is caused by "chemical imbalances" even though there is no evidence of that. They rely on statistical correlations and disregard the fact that some with the chemical imbalances don't have mental illness and some with mental illness don't have the chemistry problems.

The mental break from SD exposure is caused by repeated failed attempts to trigger the vision startle reflex. It is too complicated to explain in a forum comment window. You can read the first 400 words on my site and visit the Missing Students, Dissociative Fugue, and Mysterious Disappearances pages.

The evidence of this is in plain sight if you are aware of the accidental discovery that led to the design of the cubicle. There are four places that regularly cause these mental breaks, Qi Gong, Kundalini Yoga, hospital intensive care units, and a seminar from Landmark Eduction. In each case the people involved either don't know why the mental events happen or they blame supernatural forces, Chee in Qi Gong and Prana in Kundalini Yoga.

Daydreaming while working with others moving around you is enough dissociation to allow this problem to happen. While researching inherited Schizophrenia, Dr L Stephen Miller at UGa discovered a defect in the vision pathway that might make someone sensitive. It was hyperactivity of the M-Channel for vision. The trigger signal for the startle reflex is carried on that pathway.

VisionAndPsychosis.Net (http://VisionAndPsychosis.Net) is a six year investigation of Subliminal Distraction.

To me, the evidence and her rather precarious mental state suggest she had another break and wandered off. Given her ensuing vulnerability (hitchiking, etc.) she has likely met with foul play.

I'm no psychologist, but it sure seems that if Kristi have received intense counseling and medications before her first break (where she was, as described in UM, already showing odd behavior) she wouldn't have disappeared.

I think that either 2 senarios are most likely in this case. Either Kristi chooses not to come home because she's afraid that her parents will have her committed to a psychiatric hospital if she comes home and she doesn't want that. Or she has suffered severe memory loss and doesn't remember who she is or how to get home or where home is! Or another possibility is that she hitched a ride with the wrong person and met with foul play.

I tend to agree with the "mental break followed by foul play" scenario... Kristi was obviously troubled. I'm not a psychologist, either, but I do think that the theory that she had a mental break when she got her car stuck in the mud again is a solid theory.

Unfortunately, I think that in her mental state, she was particularly vulnerable to predators. As such, I believe she was murdered shortly after she left her car.

I tend to agree with the "mental break followed by foul play" scenario... Kristi was obviously troubled. I'm not a psychologist, either, but I do think that the theory that she had a mental break when she got her car stuck in the mud again is a solid theory.

Unfortunately, I think that in her mental state, she was particularly vulnerable to predators. As such, I believe she was murdered shortly after she left her car.


I am a friend of Kristi Krebs, i went to school with her and have known her and her family since I was 12. Kristi is a wonderful person. I had just moved back to Fort Bragg after living in another state when she went missing. I think of her very often and wish she would be found.

orginally there was some speculation if Richard Allen Davis who killed Polly Klaus would have had something to do with Kristi being missing.

I do not thinkk she would have left fearing her parents would commit her to a hospital, she would have come back if that were the case or would have contacted someone by now for sure. She is portrayed as a problematic person, but I remember Kristi as a sweet person, who was not always treated nicely by classmates. 22 is a vulnerable age where a lot of us begin dealing with issues, some of us deal with thembetter than others.

I want to think that Kristi has amnesia and is out there somewhere. It breaks my heart to think of any other circumstance.

sad to hear she hasn't been found, how long has it been now?

Yeah, this case always got to me too, especially since it seems like it could've been prevented so easily. :( She seemed like a cool, nice girl who just was going through alot and maybe needed some help and someone to really understand her.

I think the reenactment was probably pretty right on, about how the second time she had similar car trouble (and thought back to 3 years earlier) could've been what broke her when she was already stressed about being overworked, among other things. I tend to believe that older guy who picked her up hitchhiking, it's too bad he didn't know about her being missing BEFORE then. I always find situations like that the saddest - like when they were so close to being potentially rescued.

I'm pretty sure this was 1992 or 93 so she'd be in her late 30s now (probably a youngish one though). I also hope she's still alive and maybe had a case of amnesia - that's plausible actually considering what she seemed to have been going through.

I'm pretty sure this was 1992 or 93 so she'd be in her late 30s now (probably a youngish one though). I also hope she's still alive and maybe had a case of amnesia - that's plausible actually considering what she seemed to have been going through.

Yes, there's no reason why she couldn't be still wandering around without the capacity to reconnect with her family.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/krebs_kristi.html

Link to Kristi's Charley Project page with details.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/krebs_kristi.html

Link to Kristi's Charley Project page with details.

thanks

Like many, I've always wondered what happened to Kristi Krebs. Hers was one of the cases on Unsolved Mysteries that intrigued me the most. It seems like a very strange coincidence (although it really couldn't be more than that) that her car was stuck in the mud twice under similar circumstances. From the sounds of the details, I would tend to agree with those who think that Kristi wandered off and fell victim to foul play. It seems like far too long a time has passed since her disappearance for her to simply have amnesia. One thing about her disappearance that strikes me as particularly odd, based on the Charley Project's account, is that her bra and panties were found in her car, but the rest of her clothing was missing. Assuming that the trucker who picked up the hitchhiker was correct in identifying his passenger as Kristi, she apparently left the site of the crash alive and clothed; why would she undress, remove her underwear, and then dress again without it?

Based on what I've read and seen of her case, it seems undeniable that Kristi probably suffered another mental breakdown triggered by the sort of "deja vu" she must have experienced with her second car accident. Whatever happened to her after that is anyone's guess. Unfortunately, it looks like she just didn't get the help she needed. I'm sure there were several contributing factors to this - the job stress, a situation mirroring the one she had before her first breakdown, etc. - and as little as doctors are able to understand mental illness now, it was even more the case twenty years ago. I have to wonder if things would have been different for her if this had happened today.

first off, i want to send condolences to Kristi's family, friends, and anyone who knew or loved her, and may have been affected by her disappearance. im truly sorry for your loss. what a fascinating case, on so many levels...IMO, this is one of the most perplexing cases i can remember seeing on UMs, for so many reasons. the bizzarre circumstances surrounding the initial incident, as well as the second and final incident which lead up to her immediate disappearance are chilling. i was living in a neighboring county when i first saw this segment air, so it was particularly interesting and alarming to me, and i can rarely visit Ft. Bragg anymore without the thought of her disappearance occuring to me. that said, everything that UMs put together was downright creepy.

I realize that the authorities probably had virtually nothing to go on here, and that Kristi's history of mental instability made it pretty tough to put together any other kind of scenario than the one that was presented, but...there is just a tremendous amount about this presentation that has not ever sat well with me. I dont know...so many questions, and virtually no answers to go along with them. what i wouldnt give to know SOMETHING about the woman matching Kristi's description seen hitchiking out of town on highway 20 that night. its amazing to think that whatever hope the authorities may have had of a speedy resolution to this case probably ended with that last possible sighting. and as if this case isnt vexxing enough, there are the alleged sightings placing a person resembling Kristi all over the western United States that help to make this case all the more gut-wrenching.

of course, the sentimentalist in me hopes and prays that Kristi fell in with a humanitarian unaware of her identity, who is still caring for her to this day. that would be as happy an ending as i could think of to this case. the realist in me says otherwise, though, and unfortunately it doesnt appear as though im the in the minority here. i know its almost impossible to tell much of anything about a person based on only a photograph, but she seemed to have one of the most genuinely happy smiles ive ever seen. i hope that wherever she is, she is at peace.

My opinion:

Kristi Krebs was a very disturbed young woman that should have been in long-term counseling and perhaps even a group home environment.

After working a long shift, for some reason she decided to drive her car at night in an unfamiliar area and again became stuck in a rural area. This probably brought back bad memories and she panicked and fled her car.

Instead of hiking back to the highway and being picked up, I think that she wandered deeper into the woods and then expired due to exposure or injury. The inability of search teams to recover her body can be explained by the rugged nature of the area and her remains being scattered by predators/scavengers.

I'm not a "fan" of the stranger disappearance theory as I have been in that area before. It's waaaayyy off the beaten path and it's unlikely that a killer would have been in the area at that time of night when there are far better places to pick up victims.

I feel sorry for her parents and I hope that they are to locate their daughter and put her remains to rest.

Does anyone know what the heck Researcher is talking about in post #5? Either it's all gobbledygook or it's so advanced that it's going right over my head.

Kristi's story is not the only one with the same basic facts. Most of the others are college students. Remember Brian Shaffer, Maura Murray, Michael Negrete, or Justin Gains? One student, Ron Tammen, has been missing fifty years.

The first cases noted were in 1880's France. One man walked from France to Moscow before recovering his senses and remembering who he was.

My site is about a little known feature of all human physiology that was discovered to cause mental breaks. The cubicle was designed to deal with it in business offices by 1968.

Kristi may be especially sensitive to Subliminal Distraction exposure. Her case is unusual because she had two mental events both happened after working in fast food establishments. There are comments in the story to show she might not have full amnesia.

SD is believed to cause a harmless temporary episode of confusion with possible psychotic-like features. It is unknown by anyone in mental health services. Experts in psychology and psychiatry believe mental illness is caused by "chemical imbalances" even though there is no evidence of that. They rely on statistical correlations and disregard the fact that some with the chemical imbalances don't have mental illness and some with mental illness don't have the chemistry problems.

The mental break from SD exposure is caused by repeated failed attempts to trigger the vision startle reflex. It is too complicated to explain in a forum comment window. You can read the first 400 words on my site and visit the Missing Students, Dissociative Fugue, and Mysterious Disappearances pages.

The evidence of this is in plain sight if you are aware of the accidental discovery that led to the design of the cubicle. There are four places that regularly cause these mental breaks, Qi Gong, Kundalini Yoga, hospital intensive care units, and a seminar from Landmark Eduction. In each case the people involved either don't know why the mental events happen or they blame supernatural forces, Chee in Qi Gong and Prana in Kundalini Yoga.

Daydreaming while working with others moving around you is enough dissociation to allow this problem to happen. While researching inherited Schizophrenia, Dr L Stephen Miller at UGa discovered a defect in the vision pathway that might make someone sensitive. It was hyperactivity of the M-Channel for vision. The trigger signal for the startle reflex is carried on that pathway.

VisionAndPsychosis.Net (http://VisionAndPsychosis.Net) is a six year investigation of Subliminal Distraction.

Ummm....Ok.
Why would you think that this "diagnosis" would apply in this situation w/o a detailed knowledge of Ms. Krebs mental health history?
Or not knowing whether or not she used alcohol and/or illegal drugs?

One part of that post that I totally don't understand is this:

The evidence of this is in plain sight if you are aware of the accidental discovery that led to the design of the cubicle. There are four places that regularly cause these mental breaks, Qi Gong, Kundalini Yoga, hospital intensive care units, and a seminar from Landmark Eduction. In each case the people involved either don't know why the mental events happen or they blame supernatural forces, Chee in Qi Gong and Prana in Kundalini Yoga.

It sounds like he's saying that certain mental breaks are caused by only four things. Qi Gong, Kundalini Yoga, hospital ICUs, and some random seminar. I'm confused for sure...

I just rewatched the segment on the website-that-may-not-be-named. While I don't doubt that the car fire (the first accident) sent her into psychosis, it was obvious (based on her over-the-top infatuation with her co-worker) that she was mentally ill BEFORE that incident. I'm no psychiatrist, but the descriptions of her behavior in the segment seem to point to her suffering from bipolar disorder, and at the time of her second accident she was obviously deep into a manic phase. If this is the truth (and again, I'm no psychiatrist but personal experiences and my gut feelings say it is), then it makes her fate even sadder, because bipolar disorder is highly treatable, and it was even back in 1993.

I don't believe she survived long after the second accident. She may have fallen victim to exposure, or been preyed upon by a person not nearly as benevolent as the trucker who gave her a ride. Persons with mental impairments are, unfortunately, among the most vulnerable members of our society.

One part of that post that I totally don't understand is this:



It sounds like he's saying that certain mental breaks are caused by only four things. Qi Gong, Kundalini Yoga, hospital ICUs, and some random seminar. I'm confused for sure...



Ahhh dear TracyLynnS. Silly girl! Its all so very simple and clear!

He's obviously saying that the ramshackle fuzz bucket can't strapulate on a frazzinjammer frequency without polar bear optics and lawnchair poo-poo darts. Now if we subcutaneously vibrate to the 11th color of reality then all turtle happy yum yum trees can frolic in the hoo-hay!!
(That's only because of the Saturnian Dizzy Crystals that Abraham Lincoln, the CIA, my cousin Merle, and a pregnant Chupacabra had implanted in all of our brains...but I think that's fairly obvious, LOL)

Make sense now?

Ahhh dear TracyLynnS. Silly girl! Its all so very simple and clear!

He's obviously saying that the ramshackle fuzz bucket can't strapulate on a frazzinjammer frequency without polar bear optics and lawnchair poo-poo darts. Now if we subcutaneously vibrate to the 11th color of reality then all turtle happy yum yum trees can frolic in the hoo-hay!!
(That's only because of the Saturnian Dizzy Crystals that Abraham Lincoln, the CIA, my cousin Merle, and a pregnant Chupacabra had implanted in all of our brains...but I think that's fairly obvious, LOL)

Make sense now?

LOL

I had to read your answer to the whole family. We are all literally :rofl: DH said it was the pregnant chupacabra that sent him over...

this case grabbed my attention today on UMs. I was really hoping that there would be an update, that all was well and she was safe and sound at home...not the case. I feel that the information they provided at the end about her thumb being deformed is the most valuable in terms of recovering her if she is still alive and simply has amnesia or the like. I wonder if the investigators have checked the database to see if any unidentified corpses with such a malformation has turned up since she went missing so long ago.

I realize that Researcher posted that explanation and link a considerable time ago, but I read through the "first 400 words" on that website. He/she is asserting that continually "ignoring" sights in one's peripheral vision induces psychosis, that is, a break from reality. He/she also asserts that this is the reason the cubicle was invented. If you check it out, it's extremely disjointed, unscholarly, and ill-founded and -argued.

This was in the very first paragraph:

This material is from first semester psychology psychophysics.

Wouldn't that kind of lend to the very great likelihood that many people would be aware of this so-called explanation? :confused: Is psychophysics even taught as a "first semester" course? From what I've read, most psychologists think "subliminal distraction" is pretty much a load of horse pockey.

First of all, Brian Shaffer? Really? Yes, there are many "subliminal distractions" in a bar--which is the last place he was seen--but he was not (as far as I know) already suffering from any emotional problems as Ms. Krebs apparently was. Quite the opposite, he was at a good place in his life from what I heard on local news around here (near Columbus). Happy family, about to become engaged....

Second, Maura Murray--I have seen that case on a show other than UM but don't recall her being emotionally disturbed before her car accident. Again, she was a happy person in a stable relationship. The rest I am not familiar with.

Third, my daughter is a second-year pysch major. In her first semester (nor even yet), there was no mention of "pyschophysics".

And lastly, I wonder about the blame for emotional breakdown that I have seen kundalini yoga getting elsewhere, as well as in Researcher's post--the Wikipedia article about it was taken down for a time (I gathered) because of the psychological controversy raging among contributors there. But I read "Eat, Pray, Love" and found Elizabeth Gilbert--who experienced what seems to be a classic "kundalini awakening" in India--to be lucid, witty, and well-organized in her writing. And probably more emotionally stable afterwards--her description of the ending of her marriage sounded more like a breakdown than her later experience with yoga.

I realize that Researcher posted that explanation and link a considerable time ago, but I read through the "first 400 words" on that website. He/she is asserting that continually "ignoring" sights in one's peripheral vision induces psychosis, that is, a break from reality. He/she also asserts that this is the reason the cubicle was invented. If you check it out, it's extremely disjointed, unscholarly, and ill-founded and -argued....
OMG, I totally forgot about that guy and his theories (aka The rantings of a lunatic). I fell down that rabbit hole a while ago and it's definitely one of the weirdest things I've ever read, but kind of entertaining too. :)

Second, Maura Murray--I have seen that case on a show other than UM but don't recall her being emotionally disturbed before her car accident. Again, she was a happy person in a stable relationship. The rest I am not familiar with.
Actually, there is some evidence that she was upset before her disappearance, and she also kind of brought a lot of alcohol with her (at least a lot for one person) on her trip. I wouldn't say that she was "emotionally disturbed" but after watching the Disappeared episode on her disappearance, I think there are a lot of unanswered questions about what was going on in her head.

Third, my daughter is a second-year pysch major. In her first semester (nor even yet), there was no mention of "pyschophysics".


My bachelor's degree is in Psychology. I feel like I took a pretty broad range of classes over my four years, and I also never read anything about "psychophysics." I looked up "psychophysics" on some other websites and it sounds pretty interesting, although I think the answer to Kristi Kreb's disappearance is far more obvious.

Actually, there is some evidence that she was upset before her disappearance, and she also kind of brought a lot of alcohol with her (at least a lot for one person) on her trip. I wouldn't say that she was "emotionally disturbed" but after watching the Disappeared episode on her disappearance, I think there are a lot of unanswered questions about what was going on in her head.

Re Maura Murray: Oh OK...I haven't seen that one in a while, but now I remember about the alcohol. And yes, lots of unanswered questions for sure.

I rewatched this segment this morning and I'm so sad to hear there was never an update. I also suspect she met with fowl play after wandering off following a break down.

What's really creepy is she looks so much like a friend of mine.

Ahhh dear TracyLynnS. Silly girl! Its all so very simple and clear!

He's obviously saying that the ramshackle fuzz bucket can't strapulate on a frazzinjammer frequency without polar bear optics and lawnchair poo-poo darts. Now if we subcutaneously vibrate to the 11th color of reality then all turtle happy yum yum trees can frolic in the hoo-hay!!
(That's only because of the Saturnian Dizzy Crystals that Abraham Lincoln, the CIA, my cousin Merle, and a pregnant Chupacabra had implanted in all of our brains...but I think that's fairly obvious, LOL)

Make sense now?


No matter WHAT that Chupacabra says, I'm not the father and I'll go on Maury to prove it. :)

No matter WHAT that Chupacabra says, I'm not the father and I'll go on Maury to prove it. :)

Chupacabra said she's 1,000% sure, so we'll see. I'll have my DVR set for Maury :lol:

I read somewhere that Dale Wayne Eaton, the guy who killed Lisa Kimmel, may have also killed Kristi. I wonder how much truth is to that?

I read somewhere that Dale Wayne Eaton, the guy who killed Lisa Kimmel, may have also killed Kristi. I wonder how much truth is to that?

I doubt it. I mean, what are the odds of 2 separate missing persons/murder cases featured on UM being linked? I wish there was closure for her family, I'm sure they still think about her often and miss her during holidays and birthdays :(

I doubt it. I mean, what are the odds of 2 separate missing persons/murder cases featured on UM being linked? I wish there was closure for her family, I'm sure they still think about her often and miss her during holidays and birthdays :(

I can answer that: the Veronica Jefferson/Rachael Raver & Warren Fulton cases. The victims in both cases were killed 7 months apart. Veronica's case was featured in 1989 and the Fulton/Raver case in 2001. DNA linked the 3 victims together as to having been killed by the same person, who was later identified as Alfredo Prieto, so it's not unlikely that Dale could've killed both. They also say he is possibly the Great Basin killer, who abducted and killed women between 1982-1996 in the West/mid-West.

I can answer that: the Veronica Jefferson/Rachael Raver & Warren Fulton cases. The victims in both cases were killed 7 months apart. Veronica's case was featured in 1989 and the Fulton/Raver case in 2001. DNA linked the 3 victims together as to having been killed by the same person, who was later identified as Alfredo Prieto, so it's not unlikely that Dale could've killed both. They also say he is possibly the Great Basin killer, who abducted and killed women between 1982-1996 in the West/mid-West.

What are the odds of 2 cases being like this? :lol:

Do you have anymore information on how the two cases might be linked? Since no one knows where Kristi went, it's hard to really connect the cases.

What are the odds of 2 cases being like this? :lol:

Do you have anymore information on how the two cases might be linked? Since no one knows where Kristi went, it's hard to really connect the cases.

If you're referring to the Raver/Fulton case, watch the episode of it on the video website that can't be named here. If you're talking about Kristi Krebs, I didn't say her case was linked to Lisa Kimmel's case, I said that Eaton may have killed Krebs, and I didn't say he in fact did kill her. Not sure where I heard it but someone said Eaton might've killed her too and that might be likely seeing as he fits the profile of a serial killer.

I doubt the guy who said he gave her a ride was correct. How many times have we had someone claim they saw a missing person and it turned out that person was dead the whole time?

I doubt the guy who said he gave her a ride was correct. How many times have we had someone claim they saw a missing person and it turned out that person was dead the whole time?

I don't know.......... you can't really go by that. I am betting the case thats foremost in your mind is probably Cary Lynn Nixon where that old lady said she saw her in South Carolina. But every case is unique. Somehow I got the gut feeling that truck driver was right, mostly because he rode a good way with her and got a good look at her. there is no way to know for sure though.

Either way, extremely sad case. Kristi sounded like a very nice young lady who just unfortunately developed some problems by getting feelings for the wrong person and let it consume her. Truly felt compassion for her and her family and pray that she is alive and ok somewhere and her parents find out.

If you're referring to the Raver/Fulton case, watch the episode of it on the video website that can't be named here. If you're talking about Kristi Krebs, I didn't say her case was linked to Lisa Kimmel's case, I said that Eaton may have killed Krebs, and I didn't say he in fact did kill her. Not sure where I heard it but someone said Eaton might've killed her too and that might be likely seeing as he fits the profile of a serial killer.

I meant the Krebs case, but I need to refresh my memory on the Raver/Fulton cases, can't remember them off the top of my head. I'm intrigued by the connection between the two.

I know you didn't say he for sure killed her, just curious how the conclusion was drawn that he might be connected. Since there's no evidence of her death, no body with a murder MO, I think it's a pretty big leap to conclude that Eaton killed her. Not saying it couldn't have happened, maybe there's more information I haven't heard, but I don't think it's likely. I doubt we will ever know, sadly.

I need to refresh my memory on the Raver/Fulton cases, can't remember them off the top of my head. I'm intrigued by the connection between the two.

http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Rachael_Raver

http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Tina_Jefferson

These are short descriptions of the Rachel Raver, Warren Fulton, and Veronica Jefferson cases.

Veronica Jefferson was murdered in May 1988. Her segment aired November 1989.

Raver and Fulton were murdered about 6 months after Jefferson, in December 1988. Their segment aired in 2001.

Seems like Rachel Raver's mom said that she and Veronica Jefferson's parents had been unknowingly mourning on the same day for years. I forgot why that was. Maybe Veronica had been murdered on Rachel's birthday? Anyone remember what that connection was?

http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Rachael_Raver

http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Tina_Jefferson

These are short descriptions of the Rachel Raver, Warren Fulton, and Veronica Jefferson cases.

Veronica Jefferson was murdered in May 1988. Her segment aired November 1989.

Raver and Fulton were murdered about 6 months after Jefferson, in December 1988. Their segment aired in 2001.

Seems like Rachel Raver's mom said that she and Veronica Jefferson's parents had been unknowingly mourning on the same day for years. I forgot why that was. Maybe Veronica had been murdered on Rachel's birthday? Anyone remember what that connection was?
Yes, it was because of Rachel's birthday. Good memory! :) I'm really glad that scum who committed the crimes was captured.

About the Krebs connections with the Kimmel case, I don't know what to think. I would connect Amy Bechtel's disappearance to the latter case before I would with the former. I think Kristi really did have another breakdown and that she wandered off. Foul play could be a good reason as to why she has never turned up, though.

About the Krebs connections with the Kimmel case, I don't know what to think. I would connect Amy Bechtel's disappearance to the latter case before I would with the former. I think Kristi really did have another breakdown and that she wandered off. Foul play could be a good reason as to why she has never turned up, though.

I heard about Amy being a possible victim of his too since he was in the vicinity of the area where she disappeared. He refuses to say though if he killed her and/or killed other women besides Lisa.

I find it interesting that not one person in this thread has brought up the fact that at the beginning of the segment Robert Stack mentions that Krebs developed an "unrealistic obssession" with a married man at her job. does this imply she either harrassed this man or confessed her feelings for him and had a breakdown when he rejected her?
was there ever any articles on Krebs disappearance that offered more details on this piece of information?
I have a feeling there might be another angle to this story we aren't aware of that could shed some more light on her disappearance.

I find it interesting that not one person in this thread has brought up the fact that at the beginning of the segment Robert Stack mentions that Krebs developed an "unrealistic obssession" with a married man at her job. does this imply she either harrassed this man or confessed her feelings for him and had a breakdown when he rejected her?
was there ever any articles on Krebs disappearance that offered more details on this piece of information?
I have a feeling there might be another angle to this story we aren't aware of that could shed some more light on her disappearance.

are you suggesting he might have something to do with her disappearance?

while I admit that's a possibility it does seem unlikely, but then again the UM segement for other segments have been solved with angles that had not been previously explored.
However I do feel that further information on Kreb's "unrealistic obssesion" with the married co-worker could be beneficial in helping figure out what happened. If she did harrass the married co-worker and he rejected her then it helps further support the theory of her being mentally ill and having a breakdown.

while I admit that's a possibility it does seem unlikely, but then again the UM segement for other segments have been solved with angles that had not been previously explored.
However I do feel that further information on Kreb's "unrealistic obssesion" with the married co-worker could be beneficial in helping figure out what happened. If she did harrass the married co-worker and he rejected her then it helps further support the theory of her being mentally ill and having a breakdown.

Interesting theory. Its always possible that the whole attraction thing with Kristy to this other guy wasn't as one sided as people thought, I've seen guys before who publicly act like they don't like someone if they have a wife or g/f and then privately entice or encourage them. And if that was happening he certainly should have been someone to be looked at if he wanted to avoid exposure of something going on between them.

That being said, this is pure speculation. We don't have nearly enough information on this to say one way or another, its entirely possible the guy was completely innocent and Kristi simply developed this obsession with no encouragament........... but I wouldn't rule out otherwise.

This case has troubled me personally for years.

People can be very different than what they seem, but Kristi's family (especially her dad) seemed very supportive in the episode. I could see her being afraid of being taken to a mental hospital again but they seemed to just want her back home like many of the other parents in segments.

My theory is she met with foul play after the car incident, but the question is how and who. I could see her being a trusting person.

Was there any evidence of sexual assault in the car? I couldn't see a good explanation for the undergarments being left behind. I am guessing the radio being stolen was simply due to the fact that the first people who found the wreck were thieves looking for a quick buck and that it had nothing to do with Kristi.

Interesting theory. Its always possible that the whole attraction thing with Kristy to this other guy wasn't as one sided as people thought, I've seen guys before who publicly act like they don't like someone if they have a wife or g/f and then privately entice or encourage them. And if that was happening he certainly should have been someone to be looked at if he wanted to avoid exposure of something going on between them.

That being said, this is pure speculation. We don't have nearly enough information on this to say one way or another, its entirely possible the guy was completely innocent and Kristi simply developed this obsession with no encouragament........... but I wouldn't rule out otherwise.

Speculation? Yes, very much so...HOWEVER...so long as we keep "speculating" on these cases then they remain fresh in our minds and do not fade away. It is when we stop speculating and forget that hope is lost.

Everyone, keep talking.

I think we can all agree that she disappeared of her own free will. It fits the behavioral pattern of the previous psychotic episode.

What happened from there is pure speculation. The reported sighting with the person she supposedly took a ride with can't really be verified unless she's found alive. I'm not saying the driver is lying, but rather that as with most of these sightings, they are being reported by people that don/t know the person and it is easy to make a mistake. We can't accept that story as absolute fact.

Best case scenario, to me, is that she wandered around, got picked up, and she is now being taken care of in a facility that is able to treat her condition. I'd say that is at least somewhat likely, especially if she was acting anything like she was after the first incident.

Worst case scenario, is that in her incoherent state, she was taken advantage of and met with foul play. This is also very likely, unfortunately, probably the most likely outcome. I would also say its possible she died via starvation, drowning, exposure, or some other unknowingly self inflicted method due to her condition.

Its really a sad case, and its a shame she couldn't get her issues under control. Hindsight is always 20/20, but if I were her father, I would have probably driven her to and from work after the first incident as a precaution. Maybe that had been offered by her dad. Who knows?

Kristi's story is not the only one with the same basic facts. Most of the others are college students. Remember Brian Shaffer, Maura Murray, Michael Negrete, or Justin Gains? One student, Ron Tammen, has been missing fifty years.

The first cases noted were in 1880's France. One man walked from France to Moscow before recovering his senses and remembering who he was.

My site is about a little known feature of all human physiology that was discovered to cause mental breaks. The cubicle was designed to deal with it in business offices by 1968.

Kristi may be especially sensitive to Subliminal Distraction exposure. Her case is unusual because she had two mental events both happened after working in fast food establishments. There are comments in the story to show she might not have full amnesia.

SD is believed to cause a harmless temporary episode of confusion with possible psychotic-like features. It is unknown by anyone in mental health services. Experts in psychology and psychiatry believe mental illness is caused by "chemical imbalances" even though there is no evidence of that. They rely on statistical correlations and disregard the fact that some with the chemical imbalances don't have mental illness and some with mental illness don't have the chemistry problems.

The mental break from SD exposure is caused by repeated failed attempts to trigger the vision startle reflex. It is too complicated to explain in a forum comment window. You can read the first 400 words on my site and visit the Missing Students, Dissociative Fugue, and Mysterious Disappearances pages.

The evidence of this is in plain sight if you are aware of the accidental discovery that led to the design of the cubicle. There are four places that regularly cause these mental breaks, Qi Gong, Kundalini Yoga, hospital intensive care units, and a seminar from Landmark Eduction. In each case the people involved either don't know why the mental events happen or they blame supernatural forces, Chee in Qi Gong and Prana in Kundalini Yoga.

Daydreaming while working with others moving around you is enough dissociation to allow this problem to happen. While researching inherited Schizophrenia, Dr L Stephen Miller at UGa discovered a defect in the vision pathway that might make someone sensitive. It was hyperactivity of the M-Channel for vision. The trigger signal for the startle reflex is carried on that pathway.

VisionAndPsychosis.Net (http://VisionAndPsychosis.Net) is a six year investigation of Subliminal Distraction.


I could be off base here, but what this person may be saying is that Kristi entered into a state of euphoria, the kind that people often experience in transcendental meditation, or sometimes in groups where people have (at first) the feeling of being accepted or focused on - like intense workshops (I know from experience) or cults. In other words, Kristi, through her mental illness, could will herself into this euphoric state - this was what she did before the first accident when she convinced herself she was marrying the married man. The problem is, like any drug, there is a point where the person crashes, and Kristi may have come back to reality and realized that she was dead wrong, he didn't love her, and that despair led to other states where I think she became despondent (like when the people found her walking the train tracks.)

It sounds like she was borderline schizophrenic, not just bipolar- perhaps the advice for her to work happened to soon, or work was fine but with a curfew and check-ins throughout the day (I think this before the time of cell-phones.) It seems she was working very long days, if we are to believe the episode, and the experience of working on your feet, being over exhausted, can also cause of a strange feeling of euphoria when you finally finish a shift (the reason why most people want to drink after work. I can relate to this too.) I think Kristy may have had the responsibility to handle one job, but I think she didn't have the mental capability to handle her emotional states and all the stimulation of the two jobs, including the people she interacted with and needed more supervision. I'm not blaming anyone, I just think everyone may have underestimated how sick she actually was. The second accident destroyed whatever recovery she had.

I fear that this euphoric state may have led her into the hands of someone she shouldn't have trusted, or to overestimate her ability to withstand elements if she was really on the road. I don't know if this case will ever be solved, but I think we all empathize with Kristy's plight and with her family.

Did she ruin the interior herself out of frustration? Do you think she had such a psychological break that she would have walked away from everything, never contacting her parents again?

:confused:

Without medication, her mental state would have severely deteriorated. Probably leaving her as pray to all sorts of unthinkable situations as she wouldn't of been in the right frame of mind to realise whether or not a situation/person was of danger to her.

Can anyone tell me if they think this woman looks like her? Her name is also Kristi Krebs. If you look through her photos, she has blue eyes and brown hair too. One picture of her smiling looks just like Kristi's smile. Hope someone can answer and not just merely skim past. o_O

http://www.facebook.com/#!/kristi.krebs.75

Can anyone tell me if they think this woman looks like her? Her name is also Kristi Krebs. If you look through her photos, she has blue eyes and brown hair too. One picture of her smiling looks just like Kristi's smile. Hope someone can answer and not just merely skim past. o_O

http://www.facebook.com/#!/kristi.krebs.75

I don't think she looks like Kristi at all. She might have a thin upper lip like Kristi, but ALL of the photos of Kristi smiling shows A LOT of her gums and I can't even see the gum line in the Facebook photos.

Not to mention that one of the albums is about her being a Steelers fan and I doubt someone born and raised in California would be a Steelers fan.

Personally, I think she died in the woods of exposure. The searches made following the accident assumed she wanted to be found. By the time she might have calmed down she was likely lost and unable to find her way back out to the highway.

I don't think she looks like Kristi at all. She might have a thin upper lip like Kristi, but ALL of the photos of Kristi smiling shows A LOT of her gums and I can't even see the gum line in the Facebook photos.

Not to mention that one of the albums is about her being a Steelers fan and I doubt someone born and raised in California would be a Steelers fan.

Personally, I think she died in the woods of exposure. The searches made following the accident assumed she wanted to be found. By the time she might have calmed down she was likely lost and unable to find her way back out to the highway.

Some people's facial structures change as they get older. This lady doesn't look too old, and might be in her late 30's/early 40's like Kristi is. The one of her in the Steelers photo album with the crinkled smile looks a bit like her smile and the ones from the Farina era composite drawings. She might not even be in California anymore, she might be alive somewhere else in the US. I think she could still be alive.

Trying to remember; this was an odd one. Did she actually drive down an abandoned road, get stuck, and have her car catch on fire twice?! I mean, is it confirmed that that happened twice, or is it only confirmed once and they speculated it happened again?

If it really happened twice, then this is one of the strangest cases ...

Some people's facial structures change as they get older. This lady doesn't look too old, and might be in her late 30's/early 40's like Kristi is. The one of her in the Steelers photo album with the crinkled smile looks a bit like her smile and the ones from the Farina era composite drawings. She might not even be in California anymore, she might be alive somewhere else in the US. I think she could still be alive.

Yes, if you're talking about a baby or a young child. She was an adult when she went missing and ALL the photos I've seen of her show lots of her upper gum when she smiles. None of the Facebook lady's photos show the gum line - at all.

Not to mention that the 75 in her name is likely the year this Kristi was born. The missing Kristi was born in 1970. The missing Kristi's nose points to the left (anatomical right) and the Kristi on FB is fairly straight, but clearly leans in the opposite direction. Her nose also appears to be much wider than missing Kristi's. FB Kristi's front teeth also look much different from missing Kristi's. She also angles her head up and back when she smiles - Kristi's photos show her mostly facing straight or tilted down a bit.

I'm also extremely leery of the idea that a missing person who hasn't been seen since an accident years ago would be on FB with their real name. I'm sure this lady has been contacted before and asked if she's the missing Kristi.

but ALL of the photos of Kristi smiling shows A LOT of her gums and I can't even see the gum line in the Facebook photos.

One of my sister's best friends has a smile that looks extremely similar to Kristi's, with much of her gums showing. I've known her since she was 8 or 9 years old and she's 23 today. Her smile looks exactly the same now as it did when she was a little kid. Her older sister is in her mid-30s and inherited the same smile, and HER gum line shows a lot as well. I know this is just an anecdote, but it seems that something like that doesn't really change over time. Facial structure doesn't really morph--it just grows larger and tissue depth changes over time. The basic shape is always there.

Can anyone tell me if they think this woman looks like her? Her name is also Kristi Krebs. If you look through her photos, she has blue eyes and brown hair too. One picture of her smiling looks just like Kristi's smile. Hope someone can answer and not just merely skim past. o_O

http://www.facebook.com/#!/kristi.krebs.75


Well, judging by the URL, I suspect this Kristi was born in 1975. Unless she lied about her age, which, of course, no one does on the internet. :lol: I don't find the Steelers thing troubling, some people like odd sports teams. However, judging by some of the pictures, she is much taller than 5'2".

I can't make heads or tails of this one. There are only three real possibilites:

-After she got stuck, she had another breakdown and wandered off into the woods and died from exposure after she couldn't find her way out.
-After her breakdown, she wandered off and mananged to make it out of the woods and met with foul play elsewhere.
-If she made it out of the woods, she may have hitchiked her way across the state/country and is still alive today living in either a shelter or a facility somewhere.

I tend to lean towards she's still alive. I actually believe the driver in the story, Mike Case, because the things he was saying actually fit with some of the fantasies Kristi was having at the time. He also says he was sure it was her once her family sent pictures to him. Kristi was a pretty distinct looking person, with a distinct smile. The only thing that doesn't make sense is in the reenactment of him picking her up it shows her with a bag of belongings. Kristi was last seen leaving her work in high spirits. The UM segment makes no mention as to whether or not she had belongings in her car or if some of her things were missing from her house, but that would certainly help in determining whether or not she was intent on leaving to start a new life.

I lean just a little toward Kristi never making it out of the woods, but Mike Case's story seems more than moderately believable. Although she may have survived for a while, I don't feel there is a good chance she is alive now. Kristi's mental health was fragile, and she was having delusional thoughts, to boot. As well, she seemed rather childlike, probably as a result of her condition. I think all of those things would have made her more vulnerable to accident, and/or a prime target for a predator.

I lean just a little toward Kristi never making it out of the woods, but Mike Case's story seems more than moderately believable. Although she may have survived for a while, I don't feel there is a good chance she is alive now. Kristi's mental health was fragile, and she was having delusional thoughts, to boot. As well, she seemed rather childlike, probably as a result of her condition. I think all of those things would have made her more vulnerable to accident, and/or a prime target for a predator.

Mike Case is one of the few "hitchhiker witnesses" I actually believe. The trucker in the John Cheek case was somewhat believable, but he didn't really have anything concrete that could tie the man he bought food for to John Cheek other than some shoes and a resemblence. Mike Case went into detail about Kristi's obsession with going to San Diego (IIRC?), her love of the ocean, and odd stories about a boyfriend that wasn't true. And I think Case dropped off the hitchhiker at a spot close to the ocean, IIRC.

Mike Case is one of the few "hitchhiker witnesses" I actually believe. The trucker in the John Cheek case was somewhat believable, but he didn't really have anything concrete that could tie the man he bought food for to John Cheek other than some shoes and a resemblence. Mike Case went into detail about Kristi's obsession with going to San Diego (IIRC?), her love of the ocean, and odd stories about a boyfriend that wasn't true. And I think Case dropped off the hitchhiker at a spot close to the ocean, IIRC.

Kristi also has a memorable face. It seems hard for me to believe he could've mistaken her for someone else given all of those other things he mentioned. It seems to lend more credibility to his story than most.

Kristi also has a memorable face. It seems hard for me to believe he could've mistaken her for someone else given all of those other things he mentioned. It seems to lend more credibility to his story than most.

The only way I can see it being a case of mistaken identity if there was some sort of proof that Kristi abandoned her car and all of her belongins (and no activity on bank accounts, credit cards, etc.) I also think it was weird in his interview that Case says something like, "Now I'm positive it was her." Did he have doubts before the interview, or before he saw her picture?

When I was about 11 years of age, I was at a WalMart store with my Mother and older sister. I remember seeing a young woman that looked like Kristy. Now I can't say 100% for sure it was her but I know she looked like her. I remember she was walking past the magazine rack and she was with a man with long hair and a beard. I remember I called in the sighting and for some years I was in touch with Kristy's Mother. It's been so many years now I no longer have her number. The last time I talked to her I was in my teens. I'm 31 now. I always wonder if that girl I saw was Kristy.

I remember I told her Mom that the girl looked at me and then looked down. Susan said that Kristy had that characteristic. I know it wasn't too long after she disappeared that I saw that girl that I was sure was Kristy. I can still remember seeing that girl to this day. I often wonder whatever happened to her or if she was ever found. I guess my question of her ever being found has now been answered.

I read through this entire thread and I didn't remember seeing this. Please forgive me if its already been posted.

http://blog.sfgate.com/crime/2012/02/09/new-image-of-long-missing-fort-bragg-woman/

The commenters on that SFgate article discussed their suspicions about a serial killer, Joseph Naso, who apparently targeted victims with double initials (KK = Kristi Krebs).

Was there any discussion here about that possibility?

Here's a December 2012 article about his trial being postponed: http://www.marinscope.com/novato_advance/news/article_3d89e6c8-44b1-11e2-b888-001a4bcf887a.html

An article from April 2013 about jury selection and this weirdo is representing himself in the trial. Seems like so many narcissist types like to do that: http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/north_bay&id=9082327

And a several page story about him at the Crime Library (I haven't read this one yet): http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/joseph-naso/an-odd-history.html

I've read (at the forbidden site) that the park where she disappear is known for some cult parties (esoteric stuff) and maybe she was discovered by some sychoes making a cult party and was sacrificed. i know it's very weird and conspiranoic, and i only post it because someone could have read/heard the same thing.

I believe she had a mental breakdown and ventured herself in the woods. It was at night, she fell and was unable to return to the car. I had depression and I had medical treatment, it wasn't so bad as Kristi's, i never had delusions or been hospitalized, but i had anguish crisis and you don't kno what to do, where to go and it's very easy to become disoriented, most easily if it's dark and you are alone in the woods...! it's a big park so maybe she walked hours and fell at some point, had hipothermia and died. And it's very hard to find a body in the woods ....

Call me a cynic or pessimist, but the reason that able-bodied people don't show back up after disappearing is usually because they're dead. Plain and simple. I don't believe amnesia is a prevalent as some grieving families would like to believe. I also believe that, no matter how sincere the eyewitness is, they're usually wrong.

Occam's razor.

Call me a cynic or pessimist, but the reason that able-bodied people don't show back up after disappearing is usually because they're dead. Plain and simple. I don't believe amnesia is a prevalent as some grieving families would like to believe. I also believe that, no matter how sincere the eyewitness is, they're usually wrong.

Occam's razor.

Maybe. But in a lot of situations, people have turned up years and years down the road, alive, but not really knowing who they are. I use to live next to a tuck stop, and one day there was a women who had been dropped off by a trucker, that was wandering around the truck stop, talking totally coherently one minute, and babbling like a wacko the next about how she was 2,000 years old and had 8 mothers and fathers.... She was there for about 2 days before she was able to hitch hike out, and that was the last I saw of her, but I sometimes still wonder. She had mentioned something to me briefly about being involved in a motorcycle crash in Vegas, and insinuated someone she had been close to died. It made me think of cases like Kristi Krebs and Patricia Meehan, where this poor women might have been involved in something traumatic, and is just wandering around aimlessly, confused and not sure of who they are.

Call me a cynic or pessimist, but the reason that able-bodied people don't show back up after disappearing is usually because they're dead. Plain and simple. I don't believe amnesia is a prevalent as some grieving families would like to believe. I also believe that, no matter how sincere the eyewitness is, they're usually wrong.

Occam's razor.

I usually agree with this when it comes to missing persons, but I seem to believe Mike Case, the man who allegedly gave a ride to Kristi. He had relayed details to Kristi's family that the woman spoke of and the family knew these are the same types of thigns Kristi would have talked about. The re-enactment also shows the woman carrying some belongings. I would love to know if some of Kristi's belongings were missing at the time she disappeared.

Ok, the one thing that bothers me about this case if indeed she met with foul play or died of exposure shortly after abandoning her vehicle as most seem to think, why were her remains never found? don't you think someone would have stumbled upon her body SOMEWHERE by now? If she is alive maybe she is in a psychiatric ward somewhere due to her mental issues. I wish we could know for sure one way or another, but sadly I don't think this will ever be solved.

Ok, the one thing that bothers me about this case if indeed she met with foul play or died of exposure shortly after abandoning her vehicle as most seem to think, why were her remains never found? don't you think someone would have stumbled upon her body SOMEWHERE by now?

No. The likelihood of any missing person's discovery doesn't increase with the passage of time.

No. The likelihood of any missing person's discovery doesn't increase with the passage of time.

I agree with you on this one, MegtheEgg86. Look at how long the investigation (it was at least ten years) into the disappearance of Wanda Jean Mays went on, and then sadly, she was found very near where her relatives had last seen her.

I do tend to think Kristi is no longer alive. It's been over 20 years and frankly, her case is so well known and even re-releasing an age progression a few years ago and nothing surfaced.

I do think for awhile after she disappeared she was alive as there were quite a few sightings in certain areas of her for the first few years after she went missing and the Mike Case sighting seems pretty credible (although I know eye witnesses are usually wrong) but his story seemed credible. It really isn't easy to stay hidden for over 20 years. It's just hard for me to believe all this time, she hasn't come into contact with anyone or entity who would call in a tip especially with a reward. She has very distinctive features as well. I know people say she could be wandering around with homeless people but still I just don't see it being likely after all this time. She hasn't come into contact with some state or government agency or been in a hospital? Like I said, to me after 20 plus years, it seems unlikely with the exposure of this case it wouldn't have happened.

I do tend to think Kristi is no longer alive. It's been over 20 years and frankly, her case is so well known and even re-releasing an age progression a few years ago and nothing surfaced.

I do think for awhile after she disappeared she was alive as there were quite a few sightings in certain areas of her for the first few years after she went missing and the Mike Case sighting seems pretty credible (although I know eye witnesses are usually wrong) but his story seemed credible. It really isn't easy to stay hidden for over 20 years. It's just hard for me to believe all this time, she hasn't come into contact with anyone or entity who would call in a tip especially with a reward. She has very distinctive features as well. I know people say she could be wandering around with homeless people but still I just don't see it being likely after all this time. She hasn't come into contact with some state or government agency or been in a hospital? Like I said, to me after 20 plus years, it seems unlikely with the exposure of this case it wouldn't have happened.

Yeah, I'd of course like to think you're wrong, but logically I agree with you. There's just not a good chance Kristi would still be alive all this time later. Sadly in her condition, its very possible she was targeted for foul play, maybe even right after the truck driver Mike Case, dropped her off.

Also, I'd think that by the late 90s, certainly 2000, she would've resurfaced or there would've been some new sightings or information.

Although their lives were way different, she really reminds me of Gordon Page Jr (just the situations of their disappearances) and if there's 2 cases I'd love to see solved, with them somehow being happily found and reunited with their families, its them.

While I don't believe the trucker was lying, it has been shown in many missing persons' cases that witnesses who swore up and down the victim was alive must have been mistaken, because the missing person was later found dead, with the time of death being previous to the time they were supposedly sighted. One case that comes to mind is Lisa Marie Kimmel - people reported Lisa driving around in her car after she had already been murdered and her car buried. Either the witnesses were mistaken about who they saw, or the time they saw the person.

I remember another later Unsolved Mysteries episode (hosted by Dennis Farina) in which a young girl had gone missing - I don't recall her name - and her own mother identified her from a convenience store surveillance camera. She swore up and down that the woman had her daughter's walk and everything. The girl was unfortunately later found dead, in an area far from the convenience store. The girl's own mother mistakenly identified someone else as her daughter.

I think these witnesses mean well, and are so eager to help solve a mystery that they unwittingly remember the actual occurrences incorrectly to match the details of the missing person. It's very possible that the truck driver in Kristi's case picked up another young woman, and after hearing her story, remembered details that may have been inaccurate due to power of suggestion. I can't say for certain that this is the case, but I don't think his sighting of her can be relied upon as 100% credible.

While of course I hope that Kristi is alive somewhere, the odds are very strongly against it. Had she ended up in a mental hospital or other medical facility somewhere and was unable to tell the staff who she was, the first thing they would have done would be to take her fingerprints, DNA, or any other identifying information and search missing person's databases to find a match. The most common scenario with unidentified victims, whether living or dead, is that they were never reported missing to begin with. Kristi's case has been very prominent, so it's unlikely someone who found her wouldn't have been able to connect the dots by now.

Regarding the UM reenactments - we shouldn't rely too heavily on the details presented in them, since a great deal of dramatic license is often taken in them. It's possible Kristi wasn't carrying a bag at all, just a purse of some kind. The reenactment only portrays one possible scenario as to what happened to her.

As sad as it is, I honestly believe Kristi is dead, whether from exposure in the woods (Occam's razor, as Apostapler suggested), or by foul play met elsewhere. If the area is as remote as many have suggested, it's not unlikely that she is still there and just hasn't been found. The elements and scavenging animals could have carried her remains a fair distance from where she succumbed, and my gut tells me that someday, a hiker or someone else going through the woods will happen upon her bones. In any case, I sincerely hope that she is found, whether dead or alive, so that if nothing else, her parents will be able to find some answers as to what happened to her, give her a good resting place, and finally transitioning into coping with their loss.

I don't think Kristi fell victim to foul play. Her psychosis is obviously not temporary. The first time she fell into mental illness, it took months for her to reach a state of being outwardly normal. I think she walked into the woods and died of exposure. Given the remoteness of the area she disappeared in, it's no surprise that she was never found.

I don't think Kristi fell victim to foul play. Her psychosis is obviously not temporary. The first time she fell into mental illness, it took months for her to reach a state of being outwardly normal. I think she walked into the woods and died of exposure. Given the remoteness of the area she disappeared in, it's no surprise that she was never found.

boy, I don't know. I would tend to agree with you, but her bra and panties were found in the car, there was blood, and the car stereo was stolen. I think something nefarious went down there, maybe after the fact.

My theory is this: She got the car stuck, flashed back to the previous time, and abandoned the vehicle. She wanders around and makes it on to the streets (she was seen wandering the streets after the first time this happened). She runs into the wrong person, who makes it seem like he's there to help. They go back to her car, he possibly rapes her, kills her and dumps her somewhere, and also steals the radio.

That's the one thing that makes all the evidence tie together.

I'm kinda split about the reliability of eyewitnesses. I for one have a great ability to remember some details = ask me what I was wearing my first day at a job I began back in 2007 and I'll vividly remember but don't ask me the name of the person who lives in the apartment next to me that introduced himself to me less six months ago.

Anyways, here's a link to a 2012 story from a Utah newspaper that details another eyewitness who may have seen Kristi in that state. I don't think this was mentioned on the UM episode (apologies in advance if it's already been posted):

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53441147-78/police-krebs-woman-gregory.html.csp

Here's the text, since I know a lot of links eventually go dead.
California police seek help from Utahns in 1993 missing-person’s case
A Utahn says she believes hitchhiker was missing woman.By Cimaron Neugebauer | The Salt Lake Tribune

First Published Feb 03 2012 03:47 pm • Last Updated Apr 11 2012 11:23 pm

Police in California are hoping someone in Utah, the location of their last effective tip, may have information in the case of a missing person’s case gone cold.

In August 1993, Kristi Krebs, who was 22, left her job at a pizza place in Fort Bragg, Calif., and never made it home. A few days later, police found her car at a nearby wilderness area. Inside the car were her wet folded-up work clothes and blood stains.

Police, who believe Krebs may have suffered a mental breakdown, have had several leads over the past 18 years, but none have led to Krebs, who would now be 41.

"We have never been able to locate her body, nothing," Fort Bragg police officer Jeanine Gregory told The Tribune on Friday.

But there have been reports of sightings of the woman in several states, including Utah.

"We are just hoping this new flier and photo might generate a [new] tip," Gregory said. "The family still holds hope."

In 1994, a woman living in the Salt Lake area called authorities to say she believed she gave Krebs a ride.

The woman, who wished to remain anonymous, told police she saw a woman hitchhiking near the intersection of Interstate 80 and another major highway, Gregory said. The woman felt Krebs was standing in a dangerous spot on the road, so she waved her to get into the car and dropped her near a McDonald’s in Salt Lake City.

The woman, who still lives in the Salt Lake area, didn’t think anything of the encounter until she saw Krebs’ photo on a flier at a truck stop several months later.

The woman called authorities in California, describing the hitchhiker’s gym clothes and things said during the 25-minute drive — details that led police to believe the hitchhiker was Krebs.

Gregory said if somebody in Utah didn’t recognize the earlier picture of Krebs, a new computer-enhanced, age-progression photo might help. Gregory said police continue to actively investigate leads in the case. Most of the recent sightings are from the Midwest to the East Coast.

Anyone with any information can contact the Fort Bragg Police Department at 707-961-2800, or a Fort Bragg Police confidential-anonymous phone number of 707-961-3049.

I had seen that article before, but i'm not sure if it was ever posted here. I have to say, the Utah tip does seem genuine. Not because she apparently resembled Kristi, but more having to do with what she said during the time she spent with the woman giving her a ride. Have to wonder if Kristi revealed some personal info that only she would know.

Truly baffling case.

boy, I don't know. I would tend to agree with you, but her bra and panties were found in the car, there was blood, and the car stereo was stolen. I think something nefarious went down there, maybe after the fact.

My theory is this: She got the car stuck, flashed back to the previous time, and abandoned the vehicle. She wanders around and makes it on to the streets (she was seen wandering the streets after the first time this happened). She runs into the wrong person, who makes it seem like he's there to help. They go back to her car, he possibly rapes her, kills her and dumps her somewhere, and also steals the radio.

That's the one thing that makes all the evidence tie together.

Did they ever find the car stereo? When I read about the underwear and the stereo, the first thing I thought was that she ripped that stereo out in a fit of psychosis. She could have taken her underwear off in some sort of psychological meltdown. Anybody know if investigators determined the blood was hers?

I kind of think two possible scenarios in this case. She either ran off in a psychotic state and died due to natural/environmental causes, or she ran off and someone found her and killed her. Either way, it's a really sad case and I feel sorry for her family and loved ones. They must be desperate for answers.

I'm not a psychiatrist but from the symptoms described this wasn't someone who was just emotionally overwhelmed or depressed with their life and wanted to start a new one....this was someone who was seriously mentally ill and wasn't connected to reality in any way. Her conditioned stabilized for a time under her parents but I don't think she was properly diagnosed then. The fact that she was having an imaginary wedding in her head about a married coworker while driving aimlessly for hours or whatever shows she had issues before the traumatic car fire. Disconnecting from reality seems to be an ongoing issue. This whatever it is was a serious mental illness.

Again I can't understand how after 20 years someone walking around that disconnected from reality wouldn't have at any point come into contact with any government agency (police, hospitalized, social services). A lot of homeless people have.

This case was featured on a national show that was very popular back when it aired. I find it telling that nothing ever came of it or in the years since. She has a very distinctive look. Also, people that are that mentally ill dont just get better without help. In fact, without treatment they will most likely get worse. The reason I think she is deceased is because she would need help surviving with a mental condition like that. How not one person who has helped her over the years has come forward is what points me to that conclusion. I cant begin to speculate how she died but I just cant believe she is alive and well today with not one person having come forward. I would love to believe shes being cared for and has a happy healthy life somewhere but after all these years, I doubt it.

What gets me is that her therapist thought it would be a good idea if she got a part-time job after her accident!! In what universe?? What if she had a breakdown at work?

What gets me is that her therapist thought it would be a good idea if she got a part-time job after her accident!! In what universe?? What if she had a breakdown at work?

Because she was living in a fantasy world and having a job gave her some sense of reality. I believe she started off with one part-time job (working about 20 hours a week), but later had 2 jobs and was working long hours and that's what overloaded her brain.

People keep bringing up the fact that her bra and underwear were left behind, but in my memory, her all of her clothes were found wet and folded, and she had changed into gym clothes that she had with her.

Am I mixing up the facts with that of a different case?

What gets me is that her therapist thought it would be a good idea if she got a part-time job after her accident!! In what universe?? What if she had a breakdown at work?

Should epileptics not be employed because they may have a seizure at work?

Getting a part-time job after her in-patient stay was probably a really good intervention. As wiseguy said, the increased hours may have been a stressor, not the mere fact that she was working.

People keep bringing up the fact that her bra and underwear were left behind, but in my memory, her all of her clothes were found wet and folded, and she had changed into gym clothes that she had with her.

Am I mixing up the facts with that of a different case?

she was wearing her work uniform. She had a Round Table Pizza shirt on.

I just saw the segment the other day. She did in fact change into a gym outfit she always kept with her and her pizza uniform was neatly folded in the back of seat of the car.

I just saw the segment again And it did mention that all her clothes hes were found neatly folded in her car , along with money and identification. I honestly feel Kristi was mentally ill. The segment mentioned before her very first accident she had an unhealthy obsession with married coworker. It was only then, driving home..she was having a vivid fantasy about getting married to the guy which caused her to crash her car in the ditch. This shows me that she was already somewhat out of touch with reality. The segment mentions it is speculated the second accident was causes from another vivid fantasy, due to the fact her car was found on the same road , but different ditch. During this time period mental illness wasn't very much understood. Either her parents were in denial or they really tried their best to make kristi feel as normal as possible.

Let me clarify a few things. Her identification was ripped up, it was not intact. Her bra and panties were left behind, but no other clothes were. I'm not sure if it's the Farina version that possibly has some different info and maybe that's where you folks are getting it from, but the Stack version makes no mention of gym clothes whatsoever. Additionally, here is the CP page that says she was last seen wearing her work uniform:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/krebs_kristi.html

Is the area that Kristi went missing in rugged and vast enough that she could have disappeared, never to be found?

I'll watch it again but I'm almost 100% positive that this was stated in the Farina version. Don't have the Stack version though.

she shouldn't have been allowed to drive

Yeah, I have a feeling just as I do on other cases that her body is in the woods or close to where she vanished. Except for the eyewitness truck driver there is no evidence she made it out of the woods or that area. She was suffering from a debilitating mental illness and I DOUBT she had the where with all to stay hidden and never to be found for 22 years. I saw this for a few reasons

1) She had a very distinctive look to her. Her case received tons of local press and much national press in the 90s. Not one person since that one truck driver has come forward to say a thing in over 20 years.

2) I am not a psychologist but by the description of her behavior (even the first incident driving aimlessly imagining a fantasy wedding with a coworker?) seems much more than a "trauma related breakdown" due to the car fire in 1991. It seems like a very serious and progressive mental illness that without continuous care and diligence would only get worse. Unfortunately I think the medical community dropped the ball on this one with a misdiagnosis.

3) Given her mental state, I find it unlikely that in 22 years she hasn't ended up in the care of hospital, social worker, police ect that would attempt to find information about her. Not one has ever come forward saying they had any contact with her.

I honestly believe in her mental state she wandered off just as she had done the first time. Only this time she never made it out of the woods or that area.

This case always bothered me. Kristi disappeared after crashing her car in the middle of the woods, the second time such an incident occurred. When the car was found, the interior had been wrecked and Kristi was nowhere to be found. Supposedly several truckers reported giving her lifts over the next few years.

Did she ruin the interior herself out of frustration? Do you think she had such a psychological break that she would have walked away from everything, never contacting her parents again?

:confused:

It's my opinion that after the second mental breakdown, she simply lost it & aimlessly wandered through the wilderness until succumbing to the elements. Very sad case.

You are a wealth of information! I had never heard any of those names and I try to keep up with a lot of cases. As many as I can keep up with, I do. I've got a question. I know that there are a lot of cities named the same thing. But I think its a very bad idea to have 2 Ft. Braggs. I was thinking Krebs disappeared from NC. Then I thought of the Ft. Bragg in CA. See I was thinking of another disappearance in the Carolinas. In SC in 1977 15 year old Eva DeBruhl disappeared from her house near Rock Hill. It was odd because she left a bath and glass of iced tea. Her grandmother had seen a white man on the porch dressed in green. The vehicle was described as a green jeep with a white top. The grandmother lived nearby. Her mother had come home from her shift at the mill and taken a nap. Eva had just mowed the grass. Her father did some automotive work near the house. Her brother had been struck by a car and killed about a year or so earlier. Eva was described as a very religious girl. She was petite with long dark blond hair and blue eyes. She wore glasses. In July of that year things were happening like Vacation Bible School. I found some church books from the area around those years. Kids were playing softball at church and going to Disneyland too. I wonder if some man from church came around and she trusted him to go with him thinking she was going to Bible school. Or if the green pants meant an ex-con still wearing the "green camp" prison pants. Suppose he knew there was a mechanic and he originally came for some automotive reason but noticed the young girl! Then I wondered if her disappearance was linked to her brother's tragic death. Looking back now we know that people come to this country and overstay visas and go from place to place. They've even enslaved women. Yes, I am a conservative. Does it show? I also wondered if she ran away and got married in York, SC. Back in the 1970's there were quite a few young marriages still in the Carolinas. That also wasn't far from the whole PTL Club and what was it called "Heritage USA?" The Bakers secretary, Ms. Hahn claimed she was drugged at a pool and raped? Wasn't that one of the accusations? A male friend and I passed Rev. Baker in the car and later I heard about a proposition that I was not interested in. At the time I was a young redhead. You could see the Baker property on Lake Wylie and they had a St. Bernard, a tennis court, and a pontoon? boat.

I just wanted to add that what made the proposition worse: Tammy Baker would show up at my jobs. She showed up crying at Wendy's. So I got a job at Belk and heard she was there too. But luckily I was one of the girls who was moved around to various depts. Some people say floaters, some say flyers. Oh, please believe me. I wanted no part of them.

A lot of semi-famous women shopped for Budget Shoes at Belk Uptown Charlotte. It is now where Michael Jordan has his basketball coliseum. It was neat seeing my grandson play basketball there.

This case always weirded me out because of how she managed to get her car stuck on the side of the road on two different occasions in the same area (let alone catch it on fire). The re-enactments in the segment were eerie, and the thought of a young woman driving around the middle of the woods aimlessly at night is also just bizarre, not to mention it would have made her a target for predators. Why would she choose to drive out there?

She seemed to live in a fantasy world given that it's been mentioned she would drive around in her car for hours by herself imagining a wedding to her married coworker. It honestly just makes me sad. I think she was a lonely girl with emotional problems, and the thought that someone would hurt her is really upsetting.

This case always weirded me out because of how she managed to get her car stuck on the side of the road on two different occasions in the same area (let alone catch it on fire). The re-enactments in the segment were eerie, and the thought of a young woman driving around the middle of the woods aimlessly at night is also just bizarre, not to mention it would have made her a target for predators. Why would she choose to drive out there?

It's not that strange of a decision to me. I guess it depends where you're from... In my pre-child days, I had been known to drive around the wilderness before. Some people like to drive around in order to think, and Montana is chock full of wooded backroads that give you a pretty nice amount of privacy...

I will add that because of this segment, I was always careful to make sure I pulled around in such a fashion that would NOT get me stuck in the mud. :eek:

It's not that strange of a decision to me. I guess it depends where you're from... In my pre-child days, I had been known to drive around the wilderness before. Some people like to drive around in order to think, and Montana is chock full of wooded backroads that give you a pretty nice amount of privacy...

I will add that because of this segment, I was always careful to make sure I pulled around in such a fashion that would NOT get me stuck in the mud. :eek:

I suppose that's true, although doing it at night is a different story. I'm probably just paranoid though, likely because of all of the things I've seen on this show alone. Haha.

When I was a teenager in Oregon, I did go driving up a mountain late at night for fun once, but I was with friends—smoking cigarettes, listening to music, the like. We got about 3/4 of the way up, but the road was gated off at that point because it was winter. I remember being really weirded out when we were up there; the area just had a bad vibe to it. I found out later that that gate was a popular dumping area for dead bodies. Not claiming I'm psychic or anything, but it definitely felt foreboding up there for reasons I couldn't explain at the time. Then when I was in my early 20s, a girl who worked at a coffee shop I frequented was kidnapped by her neighbor and murdered up there.

Can't say I plan to ever haul it back up there again.

From the Unsolved article:

Kristi apparently began to fantasize about marrying this man. She drove around in a euphoric daze for hours and lost her way on a country road. Her car became hopelessly stuck in the mud, then burst into flames. When found, the interior had been totally destroyed and Kristi was nowhere to be seen.

The morning after the incident, railroad workers saw a dazed and disoriented young woman wandering along the tracks. The car fire had apparently sent Kristi into a traumatic mental breakdown. One of the men recognized Kristi and called her parents.

So we know the first time she had an issue wiht her car (accident) she simply walked off and was found wandering along train tracks.

I think it's very possible the same thing happened here, although I can't explain the radio being ripped out. That may be just a simple burglary that has nothing to do with Kristi's disappearance. If one is going to murder a woman, why rip out the car's radio?

From the Unsolved article:

Kristi apparently began to fantasize about marrying this man. She drove around in a euphoric daze for hours and lost her way on a country road. Her car became hopelessly stuck in the mud, then burst into flames. When found, the interior had been totally destroyed and Kristi was nowhere to be seen.

The morning after the incident, railroad workers saw a dazed and disoriented young woman wandering along the tracks. The car fire had apparently sent Kristi into a traumatic mental breakdown. One of the men recognized Kristi and called her parents.

So we know the first time she had an issue wiht her car (accident) she simply walked off and was found wandering along train tracks.

I think it's very possible the same thing happened here, although I can't explain the radio being ripped out. That may be just a simple burglary that has nothing to do with Kristi's disappearance. If one is going to murder a woman, why rip out the car's radio?

That's what I was thinking. If she did walk away from her car in a panic, there's a likelihood that she left it unlocked, which would provide access for someone to rip it off. My hunch is that the stereo being stolen was unrelated, and happened after she left the car.

If she had been picked up by somebody or kidnapped, they wouldn't be taking the stereo whilst doing so. The only way I could see the stereo being taken by her abductor would be if she was killed at or near the car, and the killer decided to pillage it afterward.

For what it's worth, I never got the sense that she was kidnapped. I always assumed she had a mental break, triggered by the second car event, and just wandered away to succumb to the elements. I think that's the most popular theory on the subject, although I do wish we could either find her or her remains to give her family some closure...

For what it's worth, I never got the sense that she was kidnapped. I always assumed she had a mental break, triggered by the second car event, and just wandered away to succumb to the elements. I think that's the most popular theory on the subject, although I do wish we could either find her or her remains to give her family some closure...

Bingo. I wonder if her remains were eaten by an animal?

I have to wonder if she crashed on purpose though. Two times in the exact same manor? I wonder if she was driving in her dream world, and something made her upset (reality kicked back in), and she crashed due to anger?

If she had been picked up by somebody or kidnapped, they wouldn't be taking the stereo whilst doing so. The only way I could see the stereo being taken by her abductor would be if she was killed at or near the car, and the killer decided to pillage it afterward.

Or he had the presence of mind to try to make the abduction look like a robbery.

I struggle with the idea of the stereo being a separate incident because it's not like she left her car unlocked on a city street. This was a remote, rural location where very fewer people would have encountered her car during the time that it was there. It's not impossible, just unlikely.

Edited to Add: I'm not trying to make a case that she was abducted. I think, if anything, that she might have removed the stereo and taken with her in her questionable mental state. I think the most likely scenario is that she wandered off and died in the woods.

Bingo. I wonder if her remains were eaten by an animal?

I have to wonder if she crashed on purpose though. Two times in the exact same manor? I wonder if she was driving in her dream world, and something made her upset (reality kicked back in), and she crashed due to anger?

I see your point, but I don't think she crashed on purpose. Stranger things have happened, I suppose.

I see your point, but I don't think she crashed on purpose. Stranger things have happened, I suppose.

Think of them as suicide attempts. If she lived in a dream world, then all of a sudden woke back up to her reality, then maybe her extreme breakdown was BEFORE the crash. Perhaps she was unhappy when she realized her reality and attempted to crash her car to kill herself.

Or perhaps something in her psychosis state scared her to the point of suicide.

Think of them as suicide attempts. If she lived in a dream world, then all of a sudden woke back up to her reality, then maybe her extreme breakdown was BEFORE the crash. Perhaps she was unhappy when she realized her reality and attempted to crash her car to kill herself.

Or perhaps something in her psychosis state scared her to the point of suicide.

That's actually an interesting point. It's hard to know though because the details of Kristi's mental illness are kind of vague in the episode. I'm not a psychologist, but she seemed to have some form of delusional disorder. If that is the case, I'm not sure to what degree one can slip in and out of delusion, but if that's what was happening, it could possibly explain the crashes. The impression I got from the episode was that she'd basically spend hours in her car in some kind of fantasy state, dreaming up scenarios in her head to an extreme degree.

I may be misremembering, but wasn't there a witness in the segment who claimed to have seen her sitting in her parked car alone at the beach?

It seems as though her car was a safe haven for her to live out whatever fantasies she had without being bothered.

That's actually an interesting point. It's hard to know though because the details of Kristi's mental illness are kind of vague in the episode. I'm not a psychologist, but she seemed to have some form of delusional disorder. If that is the case, I'm not sure to what degree one can slip in and out of delusion, but if that's what was happening, it could possibly explain the crashes. The impression I got from the episode was that she'd basically spend hours in her car in some kind of fantasy state, dreaming up scenarios in her head to an extreme degree.

I may be misremembering, but wasn't there a witness in the segment who claimed to have seen her sitting in her parked car alone at the beach?

It seems as though her car was a safe haven for her to live out whatever fantasies she had without being bothered.

Yeah, someone said they saw her sitting in her car at the beach.

She crashed twice in the exact same manor, I don't think that's a coincidence, unless she tried to replicate the second crash as a suicide. I'm not certain if she can slip in and out, but she was definitely delusional and her car was definitely her "get away", or "dream world". My point being, is it possible that she also had "bad" delusions, or after her psychosis wore off she returned to reality then got upset when she realized she was "dreaming" then tried to commit suicide?

I'm not saying this happened, but I find the two identical crashes fascinating.

Think she got in the wrong persons vehicle & is buried somewhere.

If the missing radio isn't a red herring (someone found the car and decided to help themselves), then I think it indicates that she took it out of the car. Whether or not she was coherent mentally is unknown, but if she did in fact take the radio, I would think that indicated her wanting to sell it for money. Add on the ripped up identification and papers, and the woman seen hitchhiking away from Ft Bragg shortly after her car was found, I don't think the scenario of her walking away on her own should be written off. After her first incident, she was seen wandering around in a daze...not trying to hitchhike out of the area.

That's actually an interesting point. It's hard to know though because the details of Kristi's mental illness are kind of vague in the episode. I'm not a psychologist, but she seemed to have some form of delusional disorder. If that is the case, I'm not sure to what degree one can slip in and out of delusion, but if that's what was happening, it could possibly explain the crashes. The impression I got from the episode was that she'd basically spend hours in her car in some kind of fantasy state, dreaming up scenarios in her head to an extreme degree.

I may be misremembering, but wasn't there a witness in the segment who claimed to have seen her sitting in her parked car alone at the beach?

It seems as though her car was a safe haven for her to live out whatever fantasies she had without being bothered.

I'm not a psychologist or anything even close, but I get the feeling that Kristi may have had bipolar disorder. In some cases, if left untreated, mania can lead to psychosis. This seemed especially true when Kristi's father mentioned that she was working several hours at each of her jobs and also going to the gym to work out. It just seemed like she was living her life at a very frantic pace, which could have been caused by mania. It's never mentioned if Kristi was taking any medication to help manage her condition (regardless of whether she had bipolar or something else, it seems pretty clear that her condition would have required medication), but if she was, perhaps either the type of the medication or the dosage weren't working for her. All I can figure is that she wandered off alone, in a daze, and met with the wrong person who ultimately killed her.

Something that always bothered me about this case...

Anyone who knows the drive between Fort Bragg and Mendecino will know it is almost a straight road along the shoreline. Any turns are so gentle and it is also such a short journey that it is almost impossible to go off that main route without noticing, unless you purposely choose to do so.

The side roads into the redwoods are also some of the most lonely and intimidating at night, partly because of the dense forestry and partly because the visibility is so poor on them. I certainly would not like to breakdown on them as you could be stuck there for hours before anyone else came along. The UM segment did not say the name of the roads that Kristi became stuck on, but some of those roads are also dead ends.

I know the segment mentioned Kristi was quite a daydreamer, but I do wonder if she took some of these side roads on purpose so she could spend some more time daydreaming, before she found herself both lost snd stuck. I imagine she was probably doing the same on the beach. The woods on the other hand are and were probably more disorienting, as those winding roads through them and the trees all look the same for miles and miles.

I think it goes back to the fantasies Kristi had about her married co-worker. What sparked in her head to have those kinds of thoughts to where she'd have delusions and end up in the "lost" state she was in? Something pertaining to that started the whole journey, from psychosis to disappearance, but what? Did Kristi have poor relations with men? What kind of upbringing did she have? Was she ever abused by a man? So many questions.

Kristin Krebs is an especially unsettling case. Though it's unclear what happened to her, I'm in the camp that she wandered off after the second time her car got stuck in the mud (the red car) and died a distance away, but while still in the woods; she could have drowned & the body gotten swept away (if there was a river nearby), and/or she could have just succumbed to the elements & animals could have gotten to the body - which would explain why her remains were never found.

That being said, I guess it's also possible that M. Case did pick her up as she was hitching, and dropped her off somewhere near the ocean.

In the extremely unlikely event that she is still alive, it's possible that she doesn't remember who she is, etc.

Unfortunately, due to her obvious mental issues I don't see her leaving her family's home & "starting over" somewhere else.

I've been to Fort Bragg and ridden the skunk train. Beautiful area but very cool even cold in July! One thing is that a fog can build up around 11pm and last thru the following morning.

Back to the train ride, less than 3 miles from town, the train goes thru a tunnel and it's very remote wilderness. Yes, some roads (goat paths and logging roads) run from the Fort Bragg - Willits highway but they are indeed dead ends.

I think Kristi got stuck and then panicked - I think UM did a fantastic job with this.

My speculation about the car radio. I think it was stolen while she was at one of her two jobs. Maybe, it caused her to have a tizzy. Especially if her parents reacted - Now what's wrong! We don't want to hear about problems with your car.

I could easily visualize Kristi panicking about having her radio stolen.

Perhaps the blood is from her monthly visitor~ menstrual cycle.

I don't think Kristi made it back to the main road and stumbled further into the woods. This time, it's unlikely that any railroad crews discovered her.

She's in the woods, a la George Owens.

Sightings were mistaken, a la Gail Delano, a la Dan Wilson, ad nauseum.

It remains to be seen if her remains will be seen.

Kristi's story is not the only one with the same basic facts. Most of the others are college students. Remember Brian Shaffer, Maura Murray, Michael Negrete, or Justin Gains? One student, Ron Tammen, has been missing fifty years.

The first cases noted were in 1880's France. One man walked from France to Moscow before recovering his senses and remembering who he was.

My site is about a little known feature of all human physiology that was discovered to cause mental breaks. The cubicle was designed to deal with it in business offices by 1968.

Kristi may be especially sensitive to Subliminal Distraction exposure. Her case is unusual because she had two mental events both happened after working in fast food establishments. There are comments in the story to show she might not have full amnesia.

SD is believed to cause a harmless temporary episode of confusion with possible psychotic-like features. It is unknown by anyone in mental health services. Experts in psychology and psychiatry believe mental illness is caused by "chemical imbalances" even though there is no evidence of that. They rely on statistical correlations and disregard the fact that some with the chemical imbalances don't have mental illness and some with mental illness don't have the chemistry problems.

The mental break from SD exposure is caused by repeated failed attempts to trigger the vision startle reflex. It is too complicated to explain in a forum comment window. You can read the first 400 words on my site and visit the Missing Students, Dissociative Fugue, and Mysterious Disappearances pages.

The evidence of this is in plain sight if you are aware of the accidental discovery that led to the design of the cubicle. There are four places that regularly cause these mental breaks, Qi Gong, Kundalini Yoga, hospital intensive care units, and a seminar from Landmark Eduction. In each case the people involved either don't know why the mental events happen or they blame supernatural forces, Chee in Qi Gong and Prana in Kundalini Yoga.

Daydreaming while working with others moving around you is enough dissociation to allow this problem to happen. While researching inherited Schizophrenia, Dr L Stephen Miller at UGa discovered a defect in the vision pathway that might make someone sensitive. It was hyperactivity of the M-Channel for vision. The trigger signal for the startle reflex is carried on that pathway.

VisionAndPsychosis.Net (http://VisionAndPsychosis.Net) is a six year investigation of Subliminal Distraction.

Your link don't work. Kinda disappointed.

Wow this is a bizarre one. So much to unpack and consider.

This is one of those cases where what UM presented seems likely to have contained omissions of one variety or another.

The entire episode of her having a deranged fantasy about a married co-worker was played down, but taken on its own this would be very strange behavior.

Although much was made of her working long hours, it realistically sounds like she was working 50-60 hours a week, which for someone that had no other commitments in life would hardly be cause to have a psychotic break on its own.

Also, one certainly has to read between the lines, but between the fact that she had the obsession with the married co-worker and no other relationships mentioned it would seem she had a lonely existence. She was 22, still living with her parents in a small town, was working two dead end jobs, had a deformed hand, and was possibly overweight as well, thus its not hard to picture her as having no dating prospects despite badly wanting someone.

The car ending up where it did certainly seems like it was not by design, and like the prior incident was the result of her going for a drive and getting stuck and panicking. Interpreting the evidence at the scene is difficult, the clothing she left behind makes little sense. Her removing the radio seems unlikely, not only would this have likely required some basic tools but given her response to both incidents of getting the car stuck was to simply floor the accelerator her mechanical reasoning was probably not that strong.

Given how she responded to the prior incident, its reasonable to conclude she was having a psychotic episode of some kind at that point. However, I do wonder if even in such a state her choices and actions were governed by underlying desires. Given the dismal state of her everyday life at that point I do wonder if the psychotic episode caused a loss of inhibition, and she decided to just start hitchhiking in hopes of finding something better "out there."

Which brings up another point, what had she done with all the money? If she had indeed spent a year or two working 50-60 hours a week, while living with her parents, she should have accumulated quite a bit. Based on what UM presented, it did not seem like she did anything which would consume her income, so by the time she disappeared she might have had plenty to travel on for a while. Nothing was explicitly said about this, and presumably her finances were investigated by LE, but if she was mostly using cash it might not have been possible to ascertain how much she had on hand at the time of the disappearance.

So combining a likely desire to get away with the means to do so it seems quite possible she did in fact take to the road hitchhiking. There were numerous reports of a woman matching her description hitchhiking, with Alicia Larson and Mike Case both having given detailed descriptions of a woman matching her description closely. Clearly not all of the sightings could be of her, but the aforementioned two might be consistent with someone leaving and returning to California in that time frame. Her meeting with foul play while on the road seems the most likely explanation to her continued lack of whereabouts.