View Full Version : Meaningless TV Shows Remain On Air While Good Ones Get the Ax


Zoneboy
10-27-2008, 04:26 AM
Link (http://dailybeacon.utk.edu/showarticle.php?articleid=54056)

OK, gang, it is time for some serious business. Of course, when I talk about serious business, I must be referring to television. TV is an incredibly powerful medium — it’s not taken very seriously by most, and yet Americans spend hours and hours watching it. And one would think, with all of the hours of TV that people watch each day, some time could be spent watching good, quality programs.

Alas, that is far too much to ask for.

This is not to say that really good shows don’t become popular — NBC’s “The Office,” Fox’s “House” and HBO’s “Entourage” are all fantastic programs that have proved to be wildly popular in DVD sales, ratings and critical buzz. Most of the best shows on television, however, remain unnoticed by the public at large, and are continually in fear of getting axed by the networks because of it.

The struggle of CBS’s “How I Met Your Mother” is a prime example of this. While it is one of the last remaining traditionally-filmed sitcoms on TV, “Mother” matches any of its contemporaries in cleverness with its creative playing-with-time format and its lovable characters. However, the only reason this show was given a fourth season was because of last year’s stunt casting of Britney Spears in a couple of episodes, which gave the show a big boost in numbers. Nevermind that “How I Met Your Mother” has one of the funniest and most interesting characters on TV today in Neil Patrick Harris’ serial womanizer Barney Stinson, or that it depicts something very rarely seen on American TV — a healthy, realistic and positive marriage. The bottom line is that it does not get the kind of ratings achieved by the unfunny, soulless “Two and a Half Men,” and so each season “Mother” comes up for the chopping block.

CBS isn’t the only network to do it, of course. ABC will probably cancel one of its most charming shows, “Pushing Daisies,” before next fall despite the heavy load of critical praise it has received. NBC has “Friday Night Lights” on its hands, a show that the American Film Institute has deemed “culturally significant” for its highly realistic depiction of small town middle America, and yet they’ve banished its third season to run a mere 13 episodes on a Direct TV satellite channel.

And this most certainly is not a new phenomenon. Does anyone remember a show that ran on UPN called “Veronica Mars”? It was about a high school girl who moonlit as a private investigator in a small, corrupt town in Southern California, and it was probably one of the smartest, darkest and most well-written shows ever created for television (well, for the first two seasons anyway). It got cut after a mere three years of broadcast because everyone was too damn busy watching “American Idol.”

Or how about Phil Hartman’s swan song, “NewsRadio”? Easily one of the best ensemble casts ever assembled, and yet it was tossed around NBC’s schedule for five seasons. It was definitely a much better show than “Friends,” and yet never caught the ratings it deserved because it didn’t feature the linear, drama-filled storylines for which “Friends” was famous. This and other great shows are now lost to history, with few that remember how fantastic they were.

So what can we do about this? Really, there’s only one thing that Americans can do to ensure that they are watching the best programs — turn the TV off for a while.

Seriously.

Cut the thing off, and then you’ll realize that meaningless shows like “Dancing with the Stars” or the many incarnations of “CSI” and “Law and Order” are not just filling your time, they are really killing your time. Once everyone has seen that wasting time in front of the TV is best left for the late night or early morning hours, then primetime television viewing will be viewed as a more precious asset. Watching only three hours of TV per week means that you’ve got to make those three hours count! So watch the best that TV has to offer, not the blandest or the most mindless.

MusicJunkie
10-27-2008, 04:42 AM
very good article, and I agree with the Veronica Mars namedropping. I remember when a few people here would rip on the show at any opportunity because the ratings sucked, nevermind the fact that it was the best series on television the first two seasons it was on.

JT
10-27-2008, 02:40 PM
A very childish article, IMO. Interesting, because I am by no means a fan of "Dancing with the Stars" at all. Can't stand the show. And yet I love "Friday Night Lights." But I hate the idea that the author has...that everyone watching the shows that *he* doesn't like are "wasting time" watching "meaningless shows." Whatever happened to having *your* opinion about something and leaving it at that? No need to attack something or someone just because they feel differently.

Chocoholic
10-27-2008, 03:44 PM
But I hate the idea that the author has...that everyone watching the shows that *he* doesn't like are "wasting time" watching "meaningless shows." Whatever happened to having *your* opinion about something and leaving it at that? No need to attack something or someone just because they feel differently.

I agree. There are some shows I really can't stand, but if people like them, then that's fine with me. I'll be watching something I enjoy.

Adamantium
10-27-2008, 05:13 PM
Or how about Phil Hartman’s swan song, “NewsRadio”? Easily one of the best ensemble casts ever assembled, and yet it was tossed around NBC’s schedule for five seasons. It was definitely a much better show than “Friends,” and yet never caught the ratings it deserved because it didn’t feature the linear, drama-filled storylines for which “Friends” was famous. This and other great shows are now lost to history, with few that remember how fantastic they were.

Yay, "NewsRadio" gets a mention. NBC was always trying to get the writers to put more story archs in the show, but Paul Simms for the most part refused. He wanted it to be more like "Barney Miller" and "Taxi".

The best example of this for me is "Andy Richter Controls the Universe." I LOVED this show. It was hilarious. It made only two half seasons and I was devastated when it ended (it was actually canceled twice). That was the main reason I was very careful of what shows I got into after that. The early 2000s was just a bad time for all the shows I liked. Then I resented the shows that were hits. To this day I can't laugh at "Will & Grace" and "Two and a Half Men", but those are some of the biggest shows of this decade.

ekkostar
10-27-2008, 05:28 PM
To this day I can't laugh at "Will & Grace" and "Two and a Half Men", but those are some of the biggest shows of this decade.

I never liked Will and Grace aside from Jack and Karen's B-stories and that Michael Douglas episode.
I honestly don't understand the slagging off over Two and a Half Men at all. Why does comedy always have to be intelligent or have a soap box these days? Some of the best comedy is dumb buffoonery. I'm also a Chuck Lorre fan and tend to get a little defensive when it comes to hating on his work. I feel the same way about American Dad because most of the people slagging on it judge by Family Guy comparisons when it reality, it is very different from Family Guy. Even the character design and coloring are beginning to stray from the Family Guy look.

MusicJunkie
10-27-2008, 05:36 PM
I've seen a handful of Two And A Half Men episodes, my mom was still alive and liked it during its first season, but I think people bash it because it's completely generic and everything that people love to make fun of about US sitcoms. Granted, it gets ratings, but it's in Everybody Loves Raymond's old timeslot and was geared to take its spot.

People love to bash the ratings of The Office and 30 Rock but look at it this way, those two shows are up against CSI and Greys Anatomy, two shows that combined get nearly 40 million. In ten years when all is said and done, The Office will be a cult classic while Two And A Half Men will be a forgotten sitcom like Grace Under Fire is now. Mark my words. The Office and 30 Rock are "hip" and the shows have been springboards to bigger things for many of the cast members (Steve Carell, Rainn Wilson, John Krasinski, etc... have all starred in major movies). It's just like how Arrested Development was poorly rated and ended 2 1/2 years ago, but it's still wildly popular and is seen as a springboard for Michael Cera and giving Jason Bateman's career a second wind. Can't say that about Yes Dear, a "traditional sitcom" which got better ratings and ended the same time, can ya?

JT
10-27-2008, 07:02 PM
Personally, it really doesn't matter one way or another. It's such a gigantic problem that everything has to be competitive. Why can't the traditional format of sitcoms exist in the same world as the more modern format? Can they not exist at the same time without there being constant comparison of why this type is better than the other? People just need to stop being uptight about something as simple as what they enjoy to watch on TV. Watch what you like, and that's all that should matter.

I don't watch a show thinking that it's better than everything else on TV. I watch it and think, I really enjoy this show. And that's it. There's no need for competition when there's hundreds of channels. Nowadays, a show can get canceled after five episodes and still find a slot on cable in reruns.

dawsongirl
10-27-2008, 09:39 PM
Cut the thing off, and then you’ll realize that meaningless shows like “Dancing with the Stars” or the many incarnations of “CSI” and “Law and Order” are not just filling your time, they are really killing your time.

This wasn't a terrible article until this douche dissed one of my favorite shows. I certainly don't feel like I'm wasting my time when I'm watching CSI:NY, tyvm. And I certainly wouldn't lump it into the same catergory as DWTS and all its reality-ilk.

dawsongirl
10-27-2008, 09:49 PM
To this day I can't laugh at "Will & Grace"

Me either...probably because the show wasn't the least bit funny.

Two and a Half Men can be funny. It can be crude, but it is what it is. It's not meant to be a thinking-man's show; it's escapist comedy. And so was W&G, which is prob one reason it was popular. No one wants to think on a Thursday night.

Adamantium
10-27-2008, 11:46 PM
I honestly don't understand the slagging off over Two and a Half Men at all. Why does comedy always have to be intelligent or have a soap box these days? Some of the best comedy is dumb buffoonery. I'm also a Chuck Lorre fan and tend to get a little defensive when it comes to hating on his work.

There are many shows that are dumb comedy that I quite enjoy. Heck, I'm a fan of "Saved by the Bell ...(wait for it).... The New Class." And I've tried to like "Two and a Half Men." There was one episode I saw that made me laugh. Maybe it's the fact that it's so high rated, I judge it a little harsher than I should. I expect more out of the number one comedy show on television.

At work, most of my co-workers love "Two and a Half Men" and think I'm crazy for not liking it.

As for Chuck Lorre's work, I actually love his latest show "The Big Bang Theory." So in my mind he's done some good to the world of sitcoms.

Schmoopie
10-28-2008, 02:37 AM
To this day I can't laugh at "Will & Grace" and "Two and a Half Men", but those are some of the biggest shows of this decade.

I cannot STAND Will and Grace. I've tried to watch it numerous times (Really I have), but it just doesn't work for me. I don't like Debra Messing at all, however, I would like to check out "The Starter Wife" sometime. I never got to see all of the miniseries, so I think I'll check that out first.

What's very strange about my opinion on W&G is that I am a HUGE Harry Connick Jr fan and I simply cannot watch him on this show! It's not his acting; it's the writing or something. It's just not funny to me. The characters are so annoying; yes, even Leo and I can't believe I'm saying that!:eek:

Andrea

Schmoopie
10-28-2008, 02:38 AM
To this day I can't laugh at "Will & Grace" and "Two and a Half Men", but those are some of the biggest shows of this decade.

I cannot STAND Will and Grace. I've tried to watch it numerous times (Really I have), but it just doesn't work for me. I don't like Debra Messing at all, however, I would like to check out "The Starter Wife" sometime. I never got to see all of the miniseries, so I think I'll check that out first.

What's very strange about my opinion on W&G is that I am a HUGE Harry Connick Jr fan and I simply cannot watch him on this show! It's not his acting; it's the writing or something. It's just not funny to me. The characters are so annoying; yes, even Leo and I can't believe I'm saying that!:eek:

I've tried to watch "Men" as well and I have the same reaction towards it. Not funny; I've laughed a few times, but the only reason I even watched is for lack of ANYTHING better!:rolleyes:

Andrea

MusicJunkie
10-28-2008, 02:47 AM
Personally, it really doesn't matter one way or another. It's such a gigantic problem that everything has to be competitive. Why can't the traditional format of sitcoms exist in the same world as the more modern format? Can they not exist at the same time without there being constant comparison of why this type is better than the other? People just need to stop being uptight about something as simple as what they enjoy to watch on TV. Watch what you like, and that's all that should matter.

I don't watch a show thinking that it's better than everything else on TV. I watch it and think, I really enjoy this show. And that's it. There's no need for competition when there's hundreds of channels. Nowadays, a show can get canceled after five episodes and still find a slot on cable in reruns.
I agree with that, I think I was defending the single-camera shows since a lot of "purists" who *need* a laugh track to find something funny always love to point out that Two And A Half Men is a bigger ratings hit than The Office or 30 Rock. But the truth is, Two And A Half Men doesn't have half the competition those NBC shows do. CSI is the #1 scripted show on television and Grey's Anatomy is still in the top 5 scripted shows, and they're on at the exact same timeslot, so it's not really fair to bash The Office's ratings when 9-10 million up against two shows that combined is like being against the Academy Awards ON A WEEKLY BASIS is rather respectable. Plus IMO, The Office and 30 Rock will live on after it is cancelled through it's fanbase and DVD's like Arrested Development has, while I foresee Two And A Half Men going the way of Yes Dear after the series finale.

JT
10-28-2008, 10:16 AM
I agree with that, I think I was defending the single-camera shows since a lot of "purists" who *need* a laugh track to find something funny always love to point out that Two And A Half Men is a bigger ratings hit than The Office or 30 Rock. But the truth is, Two And A Half Men doesn't have half the competition those NBC shows do. CSI is the #1 scripted show on television and Grey's Anatomy is still in the top 5 scripted shows, and they're on at the exact same timeslot, so it's not really fair to bash The Office's ratings when 9-10 million up against two shows that combined is like being against the Academy Awards ON A WEEKLY BASIS is rather respectable. Plus IMO, The Office and 30 Rock will live on after it is cancelled through it's fanbase and DVD's like Arrested Development has, while I foresee Two And A Half Men going the way of Yes Dear after the series finale.
I see. And I think you're right...and it ties right back into what I was saying. Those "purists" who *need* a laughtrack, for whatever reason (jealousy? envy? who knows), resent the more popular single-camera shows, when they should just watch the shows they like and let that be the beginning and end of it.

I think "Two and a Half Men" will live longer than "Yes, Dear." YD was never as well-known and received as TAAHM, and YD was never an Emmy show at all. Do I think TAAHM will be around on cable and such for years and years? Nah, but I'm sure it'll stick around in syndication for a good while.

friendsfan77
10-28-2008, 02:31 PM
To this day I can't laugh at "Will & Grace"
I thought W&G was at its best from seasons 1-3, 4 was pretty decent too. But the later seasons IMO was when it went really downhill. The show got way too obsessed with having guest stars and the plot became unimportant and Jack and Karen became caricatures of themselves. It just wasn't fun anymore.

MusicJunkie
10-28-2008, 03:45 PM
I see. And I think you're right...and it ties right back into what I was saying. Those "purists" who *need* a laughtrack, for whatever reason (jealousy? envy? who knows), resent the more popular single-camera shows, when they should just watch the shows they like and let that be the beginning and end of it.

I think "Two and a Half Men" will live longer than "Yes, Dear." YD was never as well-known and received as TAAHM, and YD was never an Emmy show at all. Do I think TAAHM will be around on cable and such for years and years? Nah, but I'm sure it'll stick around in syndication for a good while.

I personally like a mixture of single-camera and laugh track shows. The article in question was praising How I Met Your Mother, which has a laugh track.

Personally, I think laugh tracks sometimes are overdone, which is probably a reason why single-camera sitcoms have started to take off big time. I like Friends, but the last few seasons of it became progressively annoying with the way the audience laughed at everything almost like a reflex. It got so overdone that I could've seen a storyline where Chandler is diagnosed with cancer and the audience would've laughed at it because they laughed at every other line used in the show.

I think single-camera shows are more of an acquired taste, which is probably a reason why a lot of people resist it. Curb Your Enthusiasm isn't a show you love after seeing one episode, but after a half season or so of episodes, you're addicted to it. That's how almost all of those type of shows are IMO.

MusicJunkie
10-28-2008, 03:48 PM
I thought W&G was at its best from seasons 1-3, 4 was pretty decent too. But the later seasons IMO was when it went really downhill. The show got way too obsessed with having guest stars and the plot became unimportant and Jack and Karen became caricatures of themselves. It just wasn't fun anymore.
agreed. I liked W&G at the very beginning, but then around season 4 was when suddenly everyone and their mother started making guest appearances. The show stopped being about the four main characters and about Madonna, Demi Moore, Cher, Lily Tomlin, J. Lo, whoever the special guest star this week was.

Reminds me of Seinfeld, there were exceptions to the rule like Bette Midler and Keith Hernandez, but I know he purposely shot down tons of special guest stars with due respect because while Paul McCartney and Tom Hanks both wanted to do a guest shot on the show, he didn't want the episodes to revolve around "OMGZ!!! we have Paul McCartney this week" in place of the four leading characters.

waichingliu81
10-28-2008, 05:38 PM
To this day I can't laugh at "Will & Grace" and "Two and a Half Men", but those are some of the biggest shows of this decade.

two and half men is ok, but with will and grace. it was a show i never really got into. one of my younger brothers watched it and enjoyed it a lot, but it was definitely not for me. plus, it was overrated.

Tubehead
10-29-2008, 12:32 AM
Some that got Ax:
Seven days
Jourany man
the invisbale man
Now and aging
Early Edition
Moonlight
Jericho

Mr. Television
10-29-2008, 01:07 AM
I see. And I think you're right...and it ties right back into what I was saying. Those "purists" who *need* a laughtrack, for whatever reason (jealousy? envy? who knows), resent the more popular single-camera shows, when they should just watch the shows they like and let that be the beginning and end of it.

I think "Two and a Half Men" will live longer than "Yes, Dear." YD was never as well-known and received as TAAHM, and YD was never an Emmy show at all. Do I think TAAHM will be around on cable and such for years and years? Nah, but I'm sure it'll stick around in syndication for a good while.
Yea Two and a Half Men is one of the biggest sitcom hits in off-network syndication so I think it will run for a good long time.

factsoflife
11-01-2008, 10:41 PM
well it still kills me to this day that "My So-Called Life" ran for only 13 episodes and "According To Jim" has now been on 8 SEASONS! and "Party Of Five' was nearly cancelled every season and yet, CSI: Miami has been a major ratings winner it's entire run!

catlover79
11-02-2008, 04:40 PM
I agree. There are some shows I really can't stand, but if people like them, then that's fine with me. I'll be watching something I enjoy.
Same here.

megamanj2004
11-05-2008, 03:48 PM
I liked this article you posted here!

maybe NBC and especially FOX will realize this sooner or later as to wondering why they're always crying and boo-hoo-ing about why their ratings stink.

1 Vs. 100
NBC screwed w/ "1 Vs. 100" in its second season not only b/c of the Writers' Strike, but by also dumbing down the payouts. In fatc, this show was doing consistently well in the ratings, and soemtimes it even came to close to matching fello NBC GS "Deal or No Deal's" ratings. But NOOOOOOOOOO, NBC punished that show by putting it on hiatus for two far-less-than-stellar GS's that didn't even make the ratings dent "1 Vs. 100" did. "Identity" was around for about a full season and barely made any dents in the ratings. "Amnesia," which was a watered-down version of "Moment of Truth" (which in itself is an insipid show), whcih was more light-hearted.

Arrested Development
This show had the makings of an emmy-award winning show with a great cast and great writing. But FOX decided to cancel this show with the very asinine War at Home, which was slotted on FOX's powerhouse Sunday night line-up and was given a second season, replacing Arrested Development.