View Full Version : Nightline at Risk if Leno Jumps to ABC


Zoneboy
08-11-2008, 02:26 AM
Link (http://http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/business/la-fi-nightline11-2008aug11,0,3505788.story)

This should be a new dawn for "Nightline." Instead, it could be good night.

After years of lagging behind dueling late-night talk shows, the ABC news program is winning attention with a series of high-profile scoops and closing the viewer gap against "Late Show With David Letterman."

But instead of celebrating, "Nightline" staffers are anxious. Six years ago, Walt Disney Co. tried to lure Letterman to its ABC network, a move that backfired and frayed relations with the news division. Now, the company seems interested in courting Letterman's nemesis -- NBC's Jay Leno.

If Leno landed at ABC, it would probably spell the end of the nearly 29-year-old program, which launched in 1979 as a late-night report called "The Iran Crisis -- America Held Hostage" during the occupation of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran.

"It would be hard for ABC not to make a play for Leno," said Greg Kahn, senior vice president of the ad-buying firm Optimedia. "He is still at the top of his game, and the thinking is that a lot of ad dollars would follow him to another network."

The highly anticipated game of musical chairs begins next year. In May, after 17 years, Leno will step down from "The Tonight Show" so that NBC can install Conan O'Brien as the new host. But, at 58, Leno isn't ready to retire, and most TV executives believe he will seek a new berth. Rival networks ABC and Fox are already mulling over the prospect of recruiting Leno, whose show earns about $50 million a year in profit for NBC.

Maybe not for long, however. Although the ratings gap between "Nightline" and the late-night talk shows has narrowed, it's because the audience for Leno and Letterman has slipped while the news program's viewership has held steady. "Nightline" also has a slightly younger audience, many members of which record the show for later viewing. ABC executives said that has allowed the network to boost what it charges advertisers.

"Nightline" offers a competitive alternative to the entertainment shows," said Rino Scanzoni, chief investment officer of Group M North America, a bloc of major ad-buying agencies. " 'Nightline' has their own niche."

It's been nearly three years since Ted Koppel signed off "Nightline" after 25 years at the helm. Critics were pessimistic about the changes ABC News introduced: three anchors, Martin Bashir, Cynthia McFadden and Terry Moran; a more flashy look; and largely relocating the show to New York from Washington.

Some worried that "Nightline" also would distance itself from its signature in-depth journalism.

"There was a widely held perception that the show would fail without Ted Koppel," said James Goldston, who took over as executive producer in November 2005. "Very few people thought the show would survive, and even fewer thought it would thrive."

But during this year's intensely competitive news season, "Nightline" has been on a scoop tear.

Moran interviewed Sen. Barack Obama in March, on the night of the Democratic presidential candidate's high-profile speech on race. A week ago, the show aired a piece on Bill Clinton, who defended his role in his wife's primary campaign. Thursday it ran a story on Obama's wife, Michelle, and on Friday it aired the exclusive interview in which former Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards -- after repeated denials -- admitted that he had an affair with a woman who worked for his campaign.

"The show is starting to matter again, just as it once did," Goldston said. "My hope is that we are going to see 'Nightline' enter a new golden era."

But what that means financially, ABC executives won't say. "We make a nice amount of money. . . . We are doing significantly better from where we were just a few years ago," said ABC News President David Westin. TNS Media Intelligence, which tracks TV advertising, estimates that "Nightline" pulled in more than $50 million in ad revenue in 2007, excluding public service announcements.

Still, Shari Anne Brill, director of programming for ad-buying firm Carat, said replacing it with a talk show led by Leno "would be so much more lucrative." The newsmagazine, she said, draws "a more narrow audience and a more narrow group of advertisers."

But a move would not be without risk and involves myriad calculations. ABC must weigh whether Leno's audience would follow him if he were to switch networks.

Moreover, Leno's contract with NBC prohibits him from appearing on television until 2010, more than seven months after O'Brien takes over "The Tonight Show." NBC is betting that viewers will warm to O'Brien in the interim, making it difficult for Leno to win his audience back.

ABC also would incur millions in start-up costs, including the comedian's hefty salary, staff of highly paid writers and building a soundstage and theater for the new show. The network would have to balance the longevity issue: Leno would be 60 by the time a new show would debut, adding uncertainty about how many years he would devote to it.

What's more, there's the Jimmy Kimmel factor. Bringing Leno aboard would push Kimmel's show on ABC back half an hour, possibly causing him to defect to another network, such as Fox.

Top ABC executives said it was premature to address the issue because they were barred from negotiating with Leno until his contract with NBC expired at the end of 2009. NBC declined to comment.

"The company will make the decision based on what's best for the company," Westin said. "I am hopeful that 'Nightline' will continue to prosper. It's important for the news division to have the strongest alternative that we possibly can, based on the strength of the work that we are doing and the ratings that we are achieving."

Zoneboy
08-11-2008, 02:36 AM
Maybe one day I'll get it right. :lol:

Scoobiedoo30
08-11-2008, 01:00 PM
so you think Jay Leno will air at 10:35 pm CT Time and Jimmy Kimmel Live at 11:37 pm CT Time

catlover79
08-11-2008, 01:46 PM
Nightline's been at risk for years and years. Even with Ted Koppel still there, ratings were going further and further downhill. I chalk it up to the cable news stations that are on 24/7.

Scoobiedoo30
08-11-2008, 02:00 PM
Nightline was at risk when David Letter was rumored to coming to The ABC Network.

theshark8777
08-13-2008, 12:00 PM
I actually thought Nightlines ratings have been going up recently. I think it even beat Letterman a few times. Anyhow NBC is dumb for forcing Leno out at this point in time!

Scoobiedoo30
08-13-2008, 12:10 PM
Nightline has Been Beating Letterman this is what I think they should do Keep Nightline at 10:35 pm CT Time Jay Leno at 11:05 pm and and Jimmy Kimmel Live at 12:07 am CT Time.

JulieSomoski
08-13-2008, 12:54 PM
Nightline has Been Beating Letterman this is what I think they should do Keep Nightline at 10:35 pm CT Time Jay Leno at 11:05 pm and and Jimmy Kimmel Live at 12:07 am CT Time.

Nightline only beat Letterman a few times, but Letterman still beats Nightline on a regular basis.

And I doubt ABC would move Kimmel past 1am (ET) - the show has been doing great lately.

Scoobiedoo30
08-13-2008, 12:55 PM
What do you think will happen to Jimmy Kimmel Live.

JulieSomoski
08-13-2008, 01:00 PM
What do you think will happen to Jimmy Kimmel Live.

Nothing. I think he'll stay at 12am or move a half hour later, if ABC takes in Leno.

Scoobiedoo30
08-13-2008, 01:15 PM
so you are thinking Jay Leno at 10:35 pm CT Time and Jimmy Kimmel Live at 11:37 pm.

JulieSomoski
08-13-2008, 01:18 PM
That's what I'm hoping to see. I think Nightline has run its course. Sure, ratings are still good, but they're still in third place. Leno could easily put ABC in the lead.

Scoobiedoo30
08-13-2008, 01:25 PM
I also think Nightlne has run it's course.

catlover79
08-13-2008, 01:54 PM
I actually thought Nightlines ratings have been going up recently. I think it even beat Letterman a few times. Anyhow NBC is dumb for forcing Leno out at this point in time!
NBC is dumb for forcing out Jay, PERIOD!! :mad:

Scoobiedoo30
08-14-2008, 04:30 PM
I was shocked when I first heard that NBC was forceing Jay Leno out

JulieSomoski
08-14-2008, 05:50 PM
I was shocked when I first heard that NBC was forceing Jay Leno out

I think we all were, Aaron.

Scoobiedoo30
08-14-2008, 06:00 PM
my step gradmonther told me that she is not going to watch Conan O'Briean when he moves to 10:35 pm CT Time on June 1, 2009.

Mikado
08-14-2008, 08:05 PM
Nightline is still on??? o.0 (Not in this area, apparently)

Mr. Television
08-14-2008, 08:41 PM
Frankly I've always prefered Craig Ferguson to Conan O'Brien.

JulieSomoski
08-15-2008, 11:18 AM
Frankly I've always prefered Craig Ferguson to Conan O'Brien.

I have, too, but apparently the execs at NBC must really like Conan to replace Jay for him.

Chelsea
08-15-2008, 01:15 PM
NBC handed Conan the Tonight Show on a silver platter to keep Conan from doing what Letterman did in the 90s (jump ship). Their error in judgment was assuming Leno would be anywhere near ready to retire by 2009. Which now has Leno jumping ship...

Scoobiedoo30
08-15-2008, 01:30 PM
If Jay Leno does Jump Ship I hope he does go to The ABC Network.

Schmoopie
08-16-2008, 01:48 AM
Link (http://http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/business/la-fi-nightline11-2008aug11,0,3505788.story)
The highly anticipated game of musical chairs begins next year. In May, after 17 years, Leno will step down from "The Tonight Show" so that NBC can install Conan O'Brien as the new host. But, at 58, Leno isn't ready to retire, and most TV executives believe he will seek a new berth. Rival networks ABC and Fox are already mulling over the prospect of recruiting Leno, whose show earns about $50 million a year in profit for NBC.

I thought that the plan was that Conan would take over for Leno in 2009 anyway. So why are they saying that NBC is the one who wants Leno to leave? I heard the stuff about Conan taking over in 2009 at least 5 or more years ago.:confused:


Moreover, Leno's contract with NBC prohibits him from appearing on television until 2010, more than seven months after O'Brien takes over "The Tonight Show." NBC is betting that viewers will warm to O'Brien in the interim, making it difficult for Leno to win his audience back.

Okay, this I don't get at all. Why is Leno "prohibited from appearing on television until 2010?" That makes no sense at all to me. Again, what's the big deal?

I can totally understand him not wanting to retire since he's only 58. I admit to being a "fair-weather fan" and only watching Leno when he's interviewing someone I really like, such as Jerry Seinfeld or Harry Connick Jr, but I still like him.

So seriously... what's the deal?:confused: :confused:

Andrea

70s show watcher
08-16-2008, 01:34 PM
[QUOTE=catlover79]NBC is dumb for forcing out Jay, PERIOD!! :mad:[/QUOTEi agree even though i like conan and i wish him luck jay did nothing to desereve the crappy treatment that he got/is getting from nbc and now nbc is offering all kinds of face saving moves to keep jay and cheers to him for shooting every one of there stupid ideas down those morons at nbc are getting what they desereve ]

JulieSomoski
08-16-2008, 03:48 PM
I thought that the plan was that Conan would take over for Leno in 2009 anyway. So why are they saying that NBC is the one who wants Leno to leave? I heard the stuff about Conan taking over in 2009 at least 5 or more years ago.:confused:



Okay, this I don't get at all. Why is Leno "prohibited from appearing on television until 2010?" That makes no sense at all to me. Again, what's the big deal?

I can totally understand him not wanting to retire since he's only 58. I admit to being a "fair-weather fan" and only watching Leno when he's interviewing someone I really like, such as Jerry Seinfeld or Harry Connick Jr, but I still like him.

So seriously... what's the deal?:confused: :confused:

Andrea

I think Leno's contract with NBC runs until December of 2009, which means if NBC still "owns" him, he can't go to ABC right away until the contract is over. Unless they would still use him for primetime specials or whatever, he can't go to another network and start up a new show right away.

I hate how they say that viewerswill warm up to Conan as the host, and just forget about Leno altogether. I think more than a few people at NBC have some screws loose, because there's no way Leno will just fade into the background. He has another 10-15 years ahead of him still if he doesn't want to retire.

catlover79
08-16-2008, 06:13 PM
I think Leno's contract with NBC runs until December of 2009, which means if NBC still "owns" him, he can't go to ABC right away until the contract is over. Unless they would still use him for primetime specials or whatever, he can't go to another network and start up a new show right away.

I hate how they say that viewerswill warm up to Conan as the host, and just forget about Leno altogether. I think more than a few people at NBC have some screws loose, because there's no way Leno will just fade into the background. He has another 10-15 years ahead of him still if he doesn't want to retire.
:clap AMEN TO THAT!!! I couldn't agree more.

Scoobiedoo30
08-17-2008, 01:30 AM
If Leno Contract does run until December can he go to another Netwok for example I know of An Anchor who worked at this one TV Station and He Jumped Ship to another TV Station and he could not start doing The News at his New Station until November of 1994.

JulieSomoski
08-17-2008, 02:48 PM
If Leno Contract does run until December can he go to another Netwok for example I know of An Anchor who worked at this one TV Station and He Jumped Ship to another TV Station and he could not start doing The News at his New Station until November of 1994.

Leno's contract with NBC is until December - after that, he can go to whatever network he pleases. I can understand him working out a deal with another network before that, though.

BarneyFife
08-17-2008, 02:54 PM
I think Leno's contract with NBC runs until December of 2009, which means if NBC still "owns" him, he can't go to ABC right away until the contract is over. Unless they would still use him for primetime specials or whatever, he can't go to another network and start up a new show right away.

I hate how they say that viewerswill warm up to Conan as the host, and just forget about Leno altogether. I think more than a few people at NBC have some screws loose, because there's no way Leno will just fade into the background. He has another 10-15 years ahead of him still if he doesn't want to retire.

I believe it's called a Non Compete clause or contract. At least in the Radio Business it is. They both sound the same to me.

Schmoopie
08-18-2008, 05:18 AM
Thanks for the explaination but why is everyone saying that NBC is forcing him out?

And no way are people going to forget about him. He's done "The Tonight Show" for years! I'll take him over David Letterman and Conan any day! I used to naievly think that Carson was the original host of "The Tonight Show" so what does that say about his legacy?

Sorry to sound so naieve here but another thing I don't get is this... when Jay Leno got the "Tonight Show spot, I remember that David Letterman was ticked off because he wanted the spot. So... now that Leno is leaving soon, why didn't David Letterman try to get the spot again? That would mean Letterman leaving NYC, though. That might be a problem. He's been in NYC for so long and his show is pretty popular by itself.

Andrea

JulieSomoski
08-18-2008, 01:57 PM
Thanks for the explaination but why is everyone saying that NBC is forcing him out?

And no way are people going to forget about him. He's done "The Tonight Show" for years! I'll take him over David Letterman and Conan any day! I used to naievly think that Carson was the original host of "The Tonight Show" so what does that say about his legacy?

Sorry to sound so naieve here but another thing I don't get is this... when Jay Leno got the "Tonight Show spot, I remember that David Letterman was ticked off because he wanted the spot. So... now that Leno is leaving soon, why didn't David Letterman try to get the spot again? That would mean Letterman leaving NYC, though. That might be a problem. He's been in NYC for so long and his show is pretty popular by itself.

Andrea

I'm not sure why NBC is forcing him out - I think around the time they got the idea to replace him with Conan in 2009, they thought he'd be ready to retire. Well, he isn't, but they're still replacing him.

David Letterman's contract with CBS runs until 2011 or something like that, so he couldn't put in a bid for the spot. Plus, NBC was only interesting in Conan taking over.

Scoobiedoo30
08-18-2008, 02:30 PM
I am just sad to see Jay Leave NBC if my memory is correct I belive Jay started out as Johnny Carson Fill-in Host.

theshark8777
08-18-2008, 04:40 PM
Jay Leno is being forced out because there was rumors that CBS was courting Conan OBrien to come to the Late Show when Letterman retired. I think this was before he signed his last contract extension, and he may have been trying to get Conan to go to the Late Late Show when they got Ferguson, with the deal being he would get Lettermans job when he retired. So NBC didn't want to lose Conan to CBS and gave him the Tonight Show job in 2009.

ryan423
08-18-2008, 11:13 PM
As much as I'd love to see Jay on at 11:35pm, I don't think its fair to Kimmel. I like Kimmel very much and if anything, keep Kimmel on for his full hour and give leno the half houe slot.

As sad as I am to see Leno go, I think it'll be harder for me to see Letterman go:{

Schmoopie
08-19-2008, 03:19 AM
I'm not sure why NBC is forcing him out - I think around the time they got the idea to replace him with Conan in 2009, they thought he'd be ready to retire. Well, he isn't, but they're still replacing him.
That's just sad!


David Letterman's contract with CBS runs until 2011 or something like that, so he couldn't put in a bid for the spot. Plus, NBC was only interesting in Conan taking over.
I bet Letterman wasn't too happy about that!


As far as Jay Leno is concerned, he was doing a show in Vegas back in June when I was there. I talked to a salesperson at Caesar's Forum Shops when I was there last weekend and he said that Jay Leno does awesome stand up shows. Maybe he can find success doing that as a touring thing like Jerry Seinfeld does. I'd love to see Jay Leno if he ever comes to Seattle. I don't think I'm going to watch "Tonight" anymore after he leaves, unless someone really good is on.

Andrea

Scoobiedoo30
08-19-2008, 10:45 AM
I remember how mad David Letterman was that he did not get The Tonight Show when Mr Carson Retired.