Yeah I have read that article before and may have posted it in this thread, but I largely agree with the conclusion that the author came to: Phillip sensed something was off about the hitchhiker and headed back to Alaska to get rid of him or to get help and the hitchhiker eventually realized this and killed him for it.

I think the suspect planned well in advance to kill Phillip. For him to ask, and inquire about personal details of his life for hours, and then recite that to the man who towed him back and let him stay overnight at his place, indicates premeditation.

I'm 100% convinced the killer has done things like this before, considering the randomness of the crime, and how senseless it was for Phillip to be murdered for his wallet, and his vehicle.

That was me! It was the reason I made an account actually! I just watched this segment the other day and man does that guy give me the creeps still. I was intrigued by him burning the car. It was the first populated area they talked about so that was probably his first chance to ditch the car, especially since he didn't hide the body he probably thought people were looking for him. There were witnesses that could identify him getting in the car with Philip. He probably kept the possessions that he wanted or had value, trashed the rest and set the car on fire to burn any evidence. I think that's what happened up until then, but what happened next? Did he thumb it out of there, hop a bus, or maybe even caught a ride with a bush pilot.
I highly doubt he had any plan out all, it was just a crime of opportunity. It probably wasn't his first or even his last.

Prince George is pretty much the only city with over 50,000 people in Northern BC. It's interesting that the suspect came through the area, burned the vehicle without being detected, and vanished without a trace. This leads me to believe that he is comfortable, and probably has ties to Prince George.

It's frustrating that there have been no credible suspects in the 35 years since the crime occurred.

It's frustrating that there have been no credible suspects in the 35 years since the crime occurred.

Not only that, but given the fact that he stayed at the Olson's overnight in their basement and likely left a ton of fingerprints behind. How has nothing ever been found or traced to this individual? I'm not quite sure how much time had passed from the point when the stranger stayed there and the point when the Olson's notified authorities but it seems like law enforcement would have thoroughly investigated their house to turn up something.

I wonder why Phillip changed his mind about giving the hitch-hiker a ride?

According to the waitress in the diner, he was on his way then abruptly stopped his car to let him climb in.

such a weird case. I wonder where he came from before getting mixed up with Phillip. for him to have never been found someone must've been hiding him pretty well

I often wonder about the effort that was made to find the driver that dropped the suspect off at the cafe run by the two women. He or she may have information that would be helpful.

I often wonder about the effort that was made to find the driver that dropped the suspect off at the cafe run by the two women. He or she may have information that would be helpful.

Good question.

I wonder if he came forward, to assist Police.

It's all so confounding.

This is basically a repetition of other comments, but how has there not been a single person of interest?!

We have four identified witnesses and one perhaps unidentified witness. Killer spent the night at the one couple's house and talked at length with them.

There should be so much more to go on with the available information gleaned from witnesses. And as somebody else noted, surely fingerprints were taken at that couple's house. Somebody like this isn't in the system? Have they even run the prints through CODIS and Canada's version of that? Canada can be so damned archaic. I'm Canadian, so I say this unapologetically to my fellow countrymen.

Canada can be so damned archaic. I'm Canadian, so I say this unapologetically to my fellow countrymen.

Yeeaaaaah, no offense to you or any other Canadians, but the Canadian government is a bit wild.

I recently learned about a cult from Canada called the Ant Hill Kids. The leader Roch Theriault, brutally tortured members and multiple dead babies have been found on the compound. The Government gave him a psyche evaluation after one of the female members told them that Roch had cut her arm off. They not only said that he was mentally sane, but gave him a mental patient to "rehabilitate". Which ended up pretty bad.

Atleast ya'll got free healthcare

Yeeaaaaah, no offense to you or any other Canadians, but the Canadian government is a bit wild.

I recently learned about a cult from Canada called the Ant Hill Kids. The leader Roch Theriault, brutally tortured members and multiple dead babies have been found on the compound. The Government gave him a psyche evaluation after one of the female members told them that Roch had cut her arm off. They not only said that he was mentally sane, but gave him a mental patient to "rehabilitate". Which ended up pretty bad.

At least ya'll got free healthcare

It should be noted that Canada has a far higher clearance rate regarding criminal cases, especially murder since we have a more centralised system, and there are far fewer jurisdictional problems.

There have been hundreds of weird cults in America (David Koresh and the Branch Davidians, Charles Mansion, Jim Jones, etc). The American justice system is arguably the Worst out of any 1st World nation, as the US has 4% of the population, and 25% of the World prisoners.

One would think locking up all those people would possibly deter crime, but the opposite is true. I love Americans, but America is one of the most violent countries in the World. Everyone outside the US knows that America has severe problems when it comes to violent crime.

Homicide rate by country (deaths per 100,000 people):

Russia 6.8
United States 6.8
Ukraine 3.8
Canada 2.1
United Kingdom 1.2
France 1.1
Germany 0.8
Australia 0.7
Spain 0.6
Italy 0.5
Japan 0.2

( I included countries with similar standard of living, with over 25 million people, Russia and Ukraine are also listed as they are European countries)

It should be noted that Canada has a far higher clearance rate regarding criminal cases, especially murder since we have a more centralised system, and there are far fewer jurisdictional problems.

There have been hundreds of weird cults in America (David Koresh and the Branch Davidians, Charles Mansion, Jim Jones, etc). The American justice system is arguably the Worst out of any 1st World nation, as the US has 4% of the population, and 25% of the World prisoners.

One would think locking up all those people would possibly deter crime, but the opposite is true. I love Americans, but America is one of the most violent countries in the World. Everyone outside the US knows that America has severe problems when it comes to violent crime.

I know. You're right. That story just blew my mind

I know. You're right. That story just blew my mind


No worries. These types of things happen everywhere. Sad commentary on human nature, I guess.

I don't disagree that America is more violent than other countries. Particularly in big cities which all have their bad neighborhoods. I've often felt the most uncomfortable right outside the gate of an Air Force base.

Phillip's murder goes to show that violent crime can happen anywhere and you cannot trust anyone. I wonder about the reenactment, did Phillip actually stop to let the guy in the car? Because it looks like the guy forced his way in.

I don't disagree that America is more violent than other countries. Particularly in big cities which all have their bad neighborhoods. I've often felt the most uncomfortable right outside the gate of an Air Force base.

Phillip's murder goes to show that violent crime can happen anywhere and you cannot trust anyone. I wonder about the reenactment, did Phillip actually stop to let the guy in the car? Because it looks like the guy forced his way in.

I'm pretty sure he let the guy in. If the guy forced his way in, I am sure the women would have mentioned it.

Good question.

I wonder if he came forward, to assist Police.

I could be very wrong, but if he/she had come forward and the details made public, I feel someone on this UM board would have spotted said details and shared them with this group. If he/she did come forward and the details were not made public, I cannot see the harm in sharing such details now.

I could be very wrong, but if he/she had come forward and the details made public, I feel someone on this UM board would have spotted said details and shared them with this group. If he/she did come forward and the details were not made public, I cannot see the harm in sharing such details now.

It's too bad he did not. It would have given Police more of an idea where he was coming from, considering there are no cities north of where he was picked up, and the only large town would be Whitehorse, in the Yukon.

My guess is the suspect was a transient worker, possibly doing remote work in the Yukon, considering the authorities would have surely confiscated his weapon, if he was crossing the border from Alaska. I am also convinced he was intimately familiar with the city of Prince George, considering he was able to set the vehicle on fire, then go undetected in the city.

It's too bad he did not. It would have given Police more of an idea where he was coming from, considering there are no cities north of where he was picked up, and the only large town would be Whitehorse, in the Yukon.

My guess is he was a transient worker, possibly doing remote work in the Yukon, considering the authorities would have surely confiscated his weapon, if he was crossing the border from Alaska. I am also convinced he was intimately familiar with the city of Prince George, considering he was able to set the vehicle on fire, then go undetected in the city.

To clarify, are you referring to the suspect or other driver, the one who dropped he suspect off at the cafe?

I am referring to the other driver, the who dropped the suspect off at the cafe. Not sure I am connecting the dots in how this other driver got looped in with the car being set on fire?

To clarify, are you referring to the suspect or other driver, the one who dropped he suspect off at the cafe?


I was stating that the person who dropped him off at the cafe would have helpful information, as he would possibly know what town or area the suspect was residing from.

Chances are the person who first dropped off the suspect may not have noticed anything unusual. Moreover, there may have been a long time between the incident and when the program first aired. Now this area in Canada is extremely remote so I wonder if Canadians even saw the original broadcasts. I would guess that the driver probably gave many rides to hitch-hikers.

My dad used to pull over and allow them to ride in the back of his pick-up throughout the 1970-80s. That all changed when a guy hopped out of the truck bed and tried to get into the cab of the truck at a stoplight. My dad drove thru a red light to escape because the hitch-hiker had an object in his hand. My dad could have been robbed or even killed. After that, he no longer stopped for anyone hitch-hiking.

Chances are the person who first dropped off the suspect may not have noticed anything unusual. Moreover, there may have been a long time between the incident and when the program first aired. Now this area in Canada is extremely remote so I wonder if Canadians even saw the original broadcasts. I would guess that the driver probably gave many rides to hitch-hikers.

The murder of Phillip Fraser was all over the news, so one would hope that the person who dropped the suspect off, would have put two and two together, and realised he had gave a lift to a murder suspect. The number of households with Televisions in the 80s was similar for Canada and the USA, so most people in the area would have heard of the Fraser murder in the summer of 1988. UM aired the case in 1991, but by then most people in Northern BC and Alaska were familiar with the case.

I often wonder about the effort that was made to find the driver that dropped the suspect off at the cafe run by the two women. He or she may have information that would be helpful.

Very good question. I doubt anyone at the cafe even took notice to the person who dropped him off or the make/model of his vehicle. So you're basically hoping that the individual saw the UM segment or heard about the murder.

Very good question. I doubt anyone at the cafe even took notice to the person who dropped him off or the make/model of his vehicle. So you're basically hoping that the individual saw the UM segment or heard about the murder.

Whomever that other driver is, I liken him or her to the man who walked in on the I-70 killer when the latter man killed the two women who were bridal shop employees. That is, he or she is lucky to be alive.

Maybe I'm mixed up in the details, but I thought the hitch hiker (suspect) was dropped off by a motorist driving north. The suspect then entered the diner and then paid before going out to find Philip, who was parked on the side of the road (looking through his car). I looked for some notes to clarify which direction the motorist was originally driving, but didn't see any notes. I thought the re-enactment had the hitch hiker and vehicle going in the opposite direction, but the re enactment could be wrong.

Suppose my understanding is off and the motorist was heading south, why did the hitch hiker bail off a ride that was already going south? (assuming the original ride was going south to begin with). If traffic is sparse and people have misgivings about picking up strangers, sort of makes you wonder why ask to be let off if a ride is traveling the direction you want to go.

Maybe I'm mixed up in the details, but I thought the hitch hiker (suspect) was dropped off by a motorist driving north. The suspect then entered the diner and then paid before going out to find Philip, who was parked on the side of the road (looking through his car). I looked for some notes to clarify which direction the motorist was originally driving, but didn't see any notes. I thought the re-enactment had the hitch hiker and vehicle going in the opposite direction, but the re enactment could be wrong.

Suppose my understanding is off and the motorist was heading south, why did the hitch hiker bail off a ride that was already going south? (assuming the original ride was going south to begin with). If traffic is sparse and people have misgivings about picking up strangers, sort of makes you wonder why ask to be let off if a ride is traveling the direction you want to go.

Why presume the murderer asked to be let off?! The guy probably creeped that first driver out and he was given the boot! Yeah, I'm making an assumption myself. Something tells me we will never know.

According to the article previously shared, the police investigated over 500 tips that had been generated from TV and the media.

According to the article previously shared, the police investigated over 500 tips that had been generated from TV and the media.

Considering UM has a history of glossing over facts in cases, to make it more appealing to viewers, I would love to get my hands on the actual RCMP file, regarding the Phillip Fraser case, and what significant leads they received.

It's so strange that the suspect seemingly vanished off the face of the earth. If I were the RCMP, I would have appealed to the individual who dropped him off at the diner. I also would have done due diligence to post composite sketches of the suspect all over the Prince George area, and the small towns off Highway 37, and along the Alaska Highway (the two highways merge just north of the BC-Yukon boundary, right up to Whitehorse and beyond.

There are hundreds of transient workers who are employed in mining in the Yukon and Northern BC. The suspect was described as "slow," had poor hygiene, and did not have a vehicle. He does not strike me as someone who could hold down a job in a skilled trade. Additionally, unless he is coming from Alaska, or came for the wilderness of the area (which is highly unlikely, since he did not even have a vehicle), makes me more inclined to believe that he may have sought work in the mines, only to leave prematurely.

Here (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Anchorage,+AK/57.9380195,-130.0440709/15652+Stewart-Cassiar+Hwy,+Stewart,+BC+V0T+1W0,+Canada/56.0918827,-129.4885415/Kitwanga,+BC,+Canada/3169+15th+Ave,+Prince+George,+BC+V2M+1T6,+Canada/@57.659158,-139.9442959,1869052m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m33!4m32!1m10!1m1!1s0x56c8917604b33f41:0x257dba5aa78468e3!2m2!1d-149.8996784!2d61.2175758!3m4!1m2!1d-129.1141559!2d59.8910604!3s0x53fb63c61b52d049:0xce2946421f0be4e8!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x540a3fe4bcad8139:0x719e0ea4a9677a62!2m2!1d-129.3059129!2d56.1000454!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x54752ea5f449575d:0xd3b97b986202bfdc!2m2!1d-128.0267756!2d55.111672!1m5!1m1!1s0x5388990fd4029baf:0xe960f5a63e090993!2m2!1d-122.7808969!2d53.9100721!3e0?entry=ttu) is a map showing Philip's journey from Anchorage to where his car ultimately ended up in Prince George. Taking into account that this hitchhiker did not harm the person who dropped him off at the 40 Mile Flat Cafe, something triggered him from the time he got with Philip to where Philip's body was found roughly 3 hours south from the cafe. So Philip was murdered not that long after picking up the hitchhiker. We know they conversed because the Olson's said the hitchhiker was giving them information under the pretense that he was Philip. But why kill him? If the hitchhiker wanted a ride south (in the direction he went in after dumping Philip's body), he had one with Philip alive...because Philip's ultimate destination was Seattle. I think Philip sensed something was off about this guy, and instead of heading south on his intended journey, he started to travel west back in the direction of Alaska, which would have sent him back through Canadian Border Services. Which is ultimately what I think set the hitchhiker off. The hitchhiker wanted to get out of Canada. Killing Philip and using his passport and identity could have accomplished this. He was on the run from something before he killed Philip, IMO.

Here (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Anchorage,+AK/57.9380195,-130.0440709/15652+Stewart-Cassiar+Hwy,+Stewart,+BC+V0T+1W0,+Canada/56.0918827,-129.4885415/Kitwanga,+BC,+Canada/3169+15th+Ave,+Prince+George,+BC+V2M+1T6,+Canada/@57.659158,-139.9442959,1869052m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m33!4m32!1m10!1m1!1s0x56c8917604b33f41:0x257dba5aa78468e3!2m2!1d-149.8996784!2d61.2175758!3m4!1m2!1d-129.1141559!2d59.8910604!3s0x53fb63c61b52d049:0xce2946421f0be4e8!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x540a3fe4bcad8139:0x719e0ea4a9677a62!2m2!1d-129.3059129!2d56.1000454!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x54752ea5f449575d:0xd3b97b986202bfdc!2m2!1d-128.0267756!2d55.111672!1m5!1m1!1s0x5388990fd4029baf:0xe960f5a63e090993!2m2!1d-122.7808969!2d53.9100721!3e0?entry=ttu) is a map showing Philip's journey from Anchorage to where his car ultimately ended up in Prince George. Taking into account that this hitchhiker did not harm the person who dropped him off at the 40 Mile Flat Cafe, something triggered him from the time he got with Philip to where Philip's body was found roughly 3 hours south from the cafe. So Philip was murdered not that long after picking up the hitchhiker. We know they conversed because the Olson's said the hitchhiker was giving them information under the pretense that he was Philip. But why kill him? If the hitchhiker wanted a ride south (in the direction he went in after dumping Philip's body), he had one with Philip alive...because Philip's ultimate destination was Seattle. I think Philip sensed something was off about this guy, and instead of heading south on his intended journey, he started to travel west back in the direction of Alaska, which would have sent him back through Canadian Border Services. Which is ultimately what I think set the hitchhiker off. The hitchhiker wanted to get out of Canada. Killing Philip and using his passport and identity could have accomplished this. He was on the run from something before he killed Philip, IMO.

I think Phillip's murder was just a crime of opportunity, for the reasons you said. Getting his license and/or passport could have been the motive. Phillip was a smaller guy. The killer likely saw him as he pulled in and noticed he was alone and targeted him. In the reenactment, its implied that the killer originally asked him for a ride and Phillip declined. We have all asked this, but I wonder why Phillip didn't keep driving when the killer tried to get his attention again? I think the fact that he was able to get in the car may have had horrible consequences for Phillip. Meaning, the killer thought he was some sort of push over. I wonder if the driver who originally dropped him off was a bigger guy and maybe that's why he didn't try anything with him. As weird as this may sound, he may not have hurt the Olsen's because he was truly thankful for them stopping to help him out. He even offered to pay them.

I think Phillip's murder was just a crime of opportunity, for the reasons you said. Getting his license and/or passport could have been the motive. Phillip was a smaller guy. The killer likely saw him as he pulled in and noticed he was alone and targeted him. In the reenactment, its implied that the killer originally asked him for a ride and Phillip declined. We have all asked this, but I wonder why Phillip didn't keep driving when the killer tried to get his attention again? I think the fact that he was able to get in the car may have had horrible consequences for Phillip. Meaning, the killer thought he was some sort of push over. I wonder if the driver who originally dropped him off was a bigger guy and maybe that's why he didn't try anything with him. As weird as this may sound, he may not have hurt the Olsen's because he was truly thankful for them stopping to help him out. He even offered to pay them.

I agree with you. I think it was more of a crime of opportunity. I think that Phillip was probably nervous (he didn't have his guns) and the hitchhiker picked up on it. The fact that the hitchhiker had told the Olson's true facts about Phillip such as his parent's occupations, and where he was going to college tells us that they probably had a pretty in-depth conversation. I wonder if Phillip mentioned at any point that his guns were confiscated and that's when he decided to attack? Without any defense, Phillip was an easy target for the hitchhiker.

But like you said, that initial pull-off probably pissed him off.

Here is a bizarre story that happened to me back in the summer about a hitchhiker. I am at a gas station in my neighborhood and I am paying for gas and a younger fella is standing behind me so I assume he is next in line and sort of get out of his way so he can pay. Instead he confronts me and asks if I can give him a lift somewhere. He has a clear bag with him, had some clothes in it and such. I said okay sure. The gas station attendant didn't like the guy so she told us to go outside if we wanted to talk. So we did. I asked him where he needed to go. He mentioned a city an hour away from where we were. I said I couldn't do that, it was in the evening, getting dark, and I had to work in the morning but that I could even take him to the bus depot about 5 minutes down the road. He then walked closer to me and said "Hey man, just give me a lift to (the name of the city)." I kept an eye on his hands and I am a big guy so I wasn't scared of him and didn't step back from him, which I think surprised him, and I stood my ground and said that this was all I could do for him. But if he wanted to I could call him a cab on my phone. So as I am dialing he does the same aggressive thing again, walks towards me and says "Hey man, just give me a lift to (the city)." I didn't, but I called him a cab and told him to wait there. Apparently what happened is that once the cab showed up (I was gone by then) he jetted as soon as the cabbie asked if he was the one who called.

Anyway, I am always open to helping someone in need if they need a lift. But the aggressive nature and demanding nature of the guy I dealt with, and the guy Philip dealt with, turn me off and pull up a red flag right away for me! I'd have gunned it if I was Philip and not let the guy in the car. Something is off when that happens.

Okay, so as for Philip's story, I have to wonder how the heck did they not track down the killer? The guy was sloppy, and I know he is probably just passing through so he isn't in the area again, but the guy left so many bread crumbs behind. For starters, you would think the guy that dropped him off at the cafe eventually hears about the story and realizes he was the one who had the killer sitting in his car. That could have been a key piece to everything. Why did he drop him off there for instance? What did they talk about?

For me I wish Philip had left the guy in the dust. He had witnesses at the cafe, so if there was a struggle he had people right there to call the police. But instead the guy gets into the car with him and they drive off and he's dead shortly after. I think at the beginning the conversation may have been turbulent. I can't imagine it being anything but awkward if a guy forcibly gets into your car at the beginning. Maybe the conversation smoothed over to the point that Philip told him both of his parents are doctors. I have always felt maybe this was something that triggered him to kill Philip. Maybe he figures he is well off and has a lot of money and it was just a crime of convenience for him.

But like I said, this guy was sloppy. He is showing his face all over the place. The guy the dropped him off, the cafe owners, the couple that literally let him sleep in their basement who I think have got to be the luckiest people on the planet because why on earth did he not kill them but kill Philip? Strange. The segments ends with him saying that he may be in Seattle or Toronto. Okay, I could see Seattle as he was trending that way, but what made the cops think it was Toronto? Also, the guy was 5'9" 220lbs or so. He'd stand out, he'd be stout and by the sounds of it he was unkept. I just don't see how a guy like that has the smarts to stay in hiding forever like that and not get caught.

Here is a bizarre story that happened to me back in the summer about a hitchhiker. I am at a gas station in my neighborhood and I am paying for gas and a younger fella is standing behind me so I assume he is next in line and sort of get out of his way so he can pay. Instead he confronts me and asks if I can give him a lift somewhere. He has a clear bag with him, had some clothes in it and such. I said okay sure. The gas station attendant didn't like the guy so she told us to go outside if we wanted to talk. So we did. I asked him where he needed to go. He mentioned a city an hour away from where we were. I said I couldn't do that, it was in the evening, getting dark, and I had to work in the morning but that I could even take him to the bus depot about 5 minutes down the road. He then walked closer to me and said "Hey man, just give me a lift to (the name of the city)." I kept an eye on his hands and I am a big guy so I wasn't scared of him and didn't step back from him, which I think surprised him, and I stood my ground and said that this was all I could do for him. But if he wanted to I could call him a cab on my phone. So as I am dialing he does the same aggressive thing again, walks towards me and says "Hey man, just give me a lift to (the city)." I didn't, but I called him a cab and told him to wait there. Apparently what happened is that once the cab showed up (I was gone by then) he jetted as soon as the cabbie asked if he was the one who called.

Anyway, I am always open to helping someone in need if they need a lift. But the aggressive nature and demanding nature of the guy I dealt with, and the guy Philip dealt with, turn me off and pull up a red flag right away for me! I'd have gunned it if I was Philip and not let the guy in the car. Something is off when that happens.

Whoa there big fella. I commend you for trying to help someone down on their luck, but it's crazy that you watch UM and you're still willing to give a hitchhiker a ride :lol:


I'm not trying to tell you what to do, but please be careful. When you said he got aggressive and demanded that you take him to a certain city is when you should've left. You shouldn't have called the taxi after that.

Be safe and use better judgement

Whoa there big fella. I commend you for trying to help someone down on their luck, but it's crazy that you watch UM and you're still willing to give a hitchhiker a ride :lol:


I'm not trying to tell you what to do, but please be careful. When you said he got aggressive and demanded that you take him to a certain city is when you should've left. You shouldn't have called the taxi after that.

Be safe and use better judgement

I hear what you mean, and perhaps you are right. For me the city we live in up until the last 3-4 years has been relatively safe, but with the rise of homelessness and such it isn't the same place anymore. Normally I tend to have a keen eye when it comes to someone genuinely in need and someone who is erratic and dangerous. And yeah, I'm a big guy, sort of look like a retired football lineman in a way, so I sort of feel I can handle myself and always have.

Granted, I knew not to let the guy get in my car despite him being persuasive, that was a red flag to me. I wish Philip did that too because anyone opening your door and demanding to get in is not up to any good. It was 1988, so things were different then as well, but even the Olsen man that stopped to help him at the side of the road was taking a risk of course. There could have been an ambush. Of course in 2023 we look at the world like it has always been this way and that everyone always had a cell phone, but no one had one in 1988 so you pretty much had to rely on the help of strangers. Still, Philip should never have let a guy basically bully himself into his car.

Maybe I'm mixed up in the details, but I thought the hitch hiker (suspect) was dropped off by a motorist driving north. The suspect then entered the diner and then paid before going out to find Philip, who was parked on the side of the road (looking through his car). I looked for some notes to clarify which direction the motorist was originally driving, but didn't see any notes. I thought the re-enactment had the hitch hiker and vehicle going in the opposite direction, but the re enactment could be wrong.

Suppose my understanding is off and the motorist was heading south, why did the hitch hiker bail off a ride that was already going south? (assuming the original ride was going south to begin with). If traffic is sparse and people have misgivings about picking up strangers, sort of makes you wonder why ask to be let off if a ride is traveling the direction you want to go.

Maybe the motorist who dropped off the hitch hiker originally offered to take the hitch hiker as far as he could without going off his own planned route, so the 40 Mile Flats Cafe was the best place to drop him off and find his next ride. So it's plausible the motorist was going to turn west or east, or was heading home and his residence was in close proximity to the cafe.

Maybe I'm mixed up in the details, but I thought the hitch hiker (suspect) was dropped off by a motorist driving north. The suspect then entered the diner and then paid before going out to find Philip, who was parked on the side of the road (looking through his car). I looked for some notes to clarify which direction the motorist was originally driving, but didn't see any notes. I thought the re-enactment had the hitch hiker and vehicle going in the opposite direction, but the re enactment could be wrong.

Suppose my understanding is off and the motorist was heading south, why did the hitch hiker bail off a ride that was already going south? (assuming the original ride was going south to begin with). If traffic is sparse and people have misgivings about picking up strangers, sort of makes you wonder why ask to be let off if a ride is traveling the direction you want to go.

I wonder if the person who dropped him off at the cafe ever spoke to someone about it? I would think if they were a local they would have. he was a drifter so he could have been looking for the right opportunity to take advantage of someone.

Maybe the motorist who dropped off the hitch hiker originally offered to take the hitch hiker as far as he could without going off his own planned route, so the 40 Mile Flats Cafe was the best place to drop him off and find his next ride. So it's plausible the motorist was going to turn west or east, or was heading home and his residence was in close proximity to the cafe.

that sounds eerily similar to the Dorothy Donovan segment. I think if it were a local that dropped him off...they would have found out about Phillip's murder and come forward to give information. but in that area local could be a relative thing considering how rural it is there.

Here (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Anchorage,+AK/57.9380195,-130.0440709/15652+Stewart-Cassiar+Hwy,+Stewart,+BC+V0T+1W0,+Canada/56.0918827,-129.4885415/Kitwanga,+BC,+Canada/3169+15th+Ave,+Prince+George,+BC+V2M+1T6,+Canada/@57.659158,-139.9442959,1869052m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m33!4m32!1m10!1m1!1s0x56c8917604b33f41:0x257dba5aa78468e3!2m2!1d-149.8996784!2d61.2175758!3m4!1m2!1d-129.1141559!2d59.8910604!3s0x53fb63c61b52d049:0xce2946421f0be4e8!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x540a3fe4bcad8139:0x719e0ea4a9677a62!2m2!1d-129.3059129!2d56.1000454!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x54752ea5f449575d:0xd3b97b986202bfdc!2m2!1d-128.0267756!2d55.111672!1m5!1m1!1s0x5388990fd4029baf:0xe960f5a63e090993!2m2!1d-122.7808969!2d53.9100721!3e0?entry=ttu) is a map showing Philip's journey from Anchorage to where his car ultimately ended up in Prince George. Taking into account that this hitchhiker did not harm the person who dropped him off at the 40 Mile Flat Cafe, something triggered him from the time he got with Philip to where Philip's body was found roughly 3 hours south from the cafe. So Philip was murdered not that long after picking up the hitchhiker. We know they conversed because the Olson's said the hitchhiker was giving them information under the pretense that he was Philip. But why kill him? If the hitchhiker wanted a ride south (in the direction he went in after dumping Philip's body), he had one with Philip alive...because Philip's ultimate destination was Seattle. I think Philip sensed something was off about this guy, and instead of heading south on his intended journey, he started to travel west back in the direction of Alaska, which would have sent him back through Canadian Border Services. Which is ultimately what I think set the hitchhiker off. The hitchhiker wanted to get out of Canada. Killing Philip and using his passport and identity could have accomplished this. He was on the run from something before he killed Philip, IMO.
good points. I brought up the Dorothy Donovan segment because it involved a desperate hitchhiker who was triggered by being dropped off in the middle of nowhere. which is similar to your theory if Phillip was driving him somewhere that he didn't want to go, then that would have most certainly triggered a confrontation. It's tough to say what really happened. The murderer could have seen Phillip as a good target to steal his identity as a means to get to his next location. he could have felt threatened by Phillip for some reason as if he felt that Phillip would turn him into the authorities somehow as you pointed out the threat of a border checkpoint. I just read that Michael Wayne McGray was a suspected serial killer that was a drifter and kind of fit the profile of Phillip's killer.

or was heading home and his residence was in close proximity to the cafe.

I think this theory to be highly improbable. If this person lived close to the cafe, the Fraser murder would have been all the talk for miles around and the odds of them not coming forward with information would have been slim to none. The only two things preventing them from coming forward would be if they were extremely antisocial themselves and didn't bother talking to anybody, or if they moved away/dropped dead shortly thereafter and were therefore less likely to be privy to the Fraser story.

I think this theory to be highly improbable. If this person lived close to the cafe, the Fraser murder would have been all the talk for miles around and the odds of them not coming forward with information would have been slim to none. The only two things preventing them from coming forward would be if they were extremely antisocial themselves and didn't bother talking to anybody, or if they moved away/dropped dead shortly thereafter and were therefore less likely to be privy to the Fraser story.

Or scared to come forward because they would put themselves out there and were afraid of a killer on the loose.

He was killed by the hitchhiker he picked up

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I think this theory to be highly improbable. If this person lived close to the cafe, the Fraser murder would have been all the talk for miles around and the odds of them not coming forward with information would have been slim to none. The only two things preventing them from coming forward would be if they were extremely antisocial themselves and didn't bother talking to anybody, or if they moved away/dropped dead shortly thereafter and were therefore less likely to be privy to the Fraser story.

I agree with the points you raise. For one thing, the nearest town was hundreds of kilometres away, and there is really nowhere that a person that dropped him off could turn, aside from heading back up north for hours. It is far more likely that whoever picked him up, may have took a dislike to him, and wanted to drop him off at the nearest stop, and the cafe just happened to be there.

Or scared to come forward because they would put themselves out there and were afraid of a killer on the loose.

Highly doubtful considering the tip would ahve been anonymous, and the fact that he is nearly certainly a transient.

Highly doubtful considering the tip would ahve been anonymous, and the fact that he is nearly certainly a transient.

To be a fly on the wall to know what conversation led to Philip getting shot.

my guess in this case is the hitchhiker likely (after he did his crime) went back to his hometown (wherever that was) destroyed the ID, spent the money he stole and likely either did more crimes and got locked up or just got away with what he's done. My guess is he didn't live near Fraser which is why he got away with his crime

my guess in this case is the hitchhiker likely (after he did his crime) went back to his hometown (wherever that was) destroyed the ID, spent the money he stole and likely either did more crimes and got locked up or just got away with what he's done. My guess is he didn't live near Fraser which is why he got away with his crime

yeah you can drive for many miles out there without seeing anyone, but a few cars passing here and there or maybe a random road stop restaurant like the one in the segment. what strikes me is that he was a drifter and those were rural areas so there is little chance that he was a local as no one recognized him and no one else came forward after the segment who could positively ID him. I wonder where he was coming from/what brought him to that part of canada.

yeah you can drive for many miles out there without seeing anyone, but a few cars passing here and there or maybe a random road stop restaurant like the one in the segment. what strikes me is that he was a drifter and those were rural areas so there is little chance that he was a local as no one recognized him and no one else came forward after the segment who could positively ID him. I wonder where he was coming from/what brought him to that part of canada.

Exactly my thoughts, he was a random drifter. I know the segment thought he may have stole his identity, but I think once he discovered that Fraser's death didn't go unnoticed, he likely dropped the idea of impersonating him. He likely is now living somewhere else with his family and isn't giving a second thought on the guy he killed which is sad

Do you guys give any credence to the Blair Adams theory?

yeah you can drive for many miles out there without seeing anyone, but a few cars passing here and there or maybe a random road stop restaurant like the one in the segment. what strikes me is that he was a drifter and those were rural areas so there is little chance that he was a local as no one recognized him and no one else came forward after the segment who could positively ID him. I wonder where he was coming from/what brought him to that part of canada.

Maybe he was from Alaska just like Phillip and simply decided to to head to the lower 48

Do you guys give any credence to the Blair Adams theory?

I would if there was any tangible evidence that Adams, who was a lifelong resident of Surrey, BC had any ties up north to Alaska, the Toronto area, etc. Philip's car was found roughly 8 and a half hours from where Blair Adams lived. All of Adams's family, friends, acquaintances (with the exception being a German girlfriend from when he went to work construction in Germany in 1995) were in the Vancouver area. He cannot be placed elsewhere.

I would if there was any tangible evidence that Adams, who was a lifelong resident of Surrey, BC had any ties up north to Alaska, the Toronto area, etc. Philip's car was found roughly 8 and a half hours from where Blair Adams lived. All of Adams's family, friends, acquaintances (with the exception being a German girlfriend from when he went to work construction in Germany in 1995) were in the Vancouver area. He cannot be placed elsewhere.

To be fair, Knoxville is an even greater distance than that.

To be fair, Knoxville is an even greater distance than that.

His mother gave a somewhat plausible reason for Blair to be there...the Olympics in Atlanta.

Maybe he was from Alaska just like Phillip and simply decided to to head to the lower 48

Possible, it could explain why he wanted to trade the car for a plane ticket to Seattle. but also would have needed to show docs when crossing from AK to Yukon so I wonder if anyone investigated all of the border crossings in and around that time.

Maybe he was from Alaska just like Phillip and simply decided to to head to the lower 48

Possible, but the only way I can see that happening, is if he had been picked up in Alaska, and crossed into Canada as a passenger. Another issue is the gun he had. Phillip was forced to surrender his guns to customs. Unless the gun was well hidden, the hitchhiker would have certainly had to do the same.

Possible, but the only way I can see that happening, is if he had been picked up in Alaska, and crossed into Canada as a passenger. Another issue is the gun he had. Phillip was forced to surrender his guns to customs. Unless the gun was well hidden, the hitchhiker would have certainly had to do the same.

good points. He was most likely in Canada for a while. he used Canadian currency at the restaurant. not impossible for him to have been American due to the proximity to Alaska and given that he had a desire to go to Seattle. but that was likely a hasty attempt to capitalize on Phillip's murder/ID theft. and it would not have made sense for him to be that far north if he were American unless he had family up there. either way, everything kind of points to him being a drifter given that no one ever came forward to identify him.

good points. He was most likely in Canada for a while. he used Canadian currency at the restaurant. not impossible for him to have been American due to the proximity to Alaska and given that he had a desire to go to Seattle. but that was likely a hasty attempt to capitalize on Phillip's murder/ID theft. and it would not have made sense for him to be that far north if he were American unless he had family up there. either way, everything kind of points to him being a drifter given that no one ever came forward to identify him.

I fully believe he was Canadian too. Many transient workers go up to Yukon or Northern BC to make money working. This, combined with his appearant familiarity with the Prince George area makes me believe he was familiar with that area of the country.

I think the whole statement about the "plane ticket to Seattle" was made, as he was continuing to pretend he was Phillip.

I fully believe he was Canadian too. Many transient workers go up to Yukon or Northern BC to make money working. This, combined with his appearant familiarity with the Prince George area makes me believe he was familiar with that area of the country.

I think the whole statement about the "plane ticket to Seattle" was made, as he was continuing to pretend he was Phillip.

These are very good insights, I think.

What just struck me, and I hadn't thought about before. Let's say the murderer mentions the car sale for a plane ticket, and instead of insisting on waiting for customs, the Olsons accept on the spot. So they get Philip's car, and the next move for tne murderer is...to somehow get to the airport with sparse belongings, fly to Seattle, and then? Granted he may not have been entirely rational when attempting to make the sale.

These are very good insights, I think.

What just struck me, and I hadn't thought about before. Let's say the murderer mentions the car sale for a plane ticket, and instead of insisting on waiting for customs, the Olsons accept on the spot. So they get Philip's car, and the next move for tne murderer is...to somehow get to the airport with sparse belongings, fly to Seattle, and then? Granted he may not have been entirely rational when attempting to make the sale.

You said it. I don't think he was ever rational. He was desperate for a ride and somehow that led to him killing Phillip and taking his car and other belongings. when the car broke down I think he was desperate to get out of the situation any way that he could and a flight to seattle was a spare of the moment idea perhaps that popped into his head given phillip's ties to Seattle. I'm interested to know who helped him repair the car, I assume the people that he stayed with helped him with the radiator belt. either way, he obviously didn't care about the car because he burned it afterward as perhaps to destroy evidence. I don't think there was anything rational about his decision making. The witnesses did not allude to his dialect or perceived nationality. I just assume they thought he was from Canada because they didn't say that they thought him to be American. I feel like the average American would be a fish out of water in Yukon, but idk...

sometimes Canadians and Americans can be confused for another, but often times you can tell a striking difference in someone's dialect if they are from the lower 48. I will say Alaska is one of the strangest places I've ever been to regarding the interactions I had with some people. I often found that they were never from there to begin with. they somehow make their way up there and end up staying. It is a beautiful state.

The PF case is unique among many of the "True Crime" cases out there because we have a good idea of what happened here & who committed this heinous crime. I.e., the perp. was almost certainly the guy who got in PF's car @ the diner & who later stayed with the older couple (while claiming he was PF).

However, we don't know the actual identity of the perp and/or the specific details re: what exactly occurred.

Unfortunately, this case clearly illustrates why you should be extremely careful who you let into your car, especially if you're alone. There have been a handful of times over the years when strangers have wanted rides from me, and I've refused.

I don't care how big/tough/accomplished you are (or think you are), if someone gets into your car as a passenger & has bad intentions, they can easily overpower you and/or force you to take them somewhere - with or without a weapon. This especially holds true when you're driving/don't have your hands free & are obviously needing to pay attention to the road, etc. - to avoid an accident.

It's fairly clear that something like this happened to PF, and it was compounded by the fact that he was driving the perp. through a remote area (where others couldn't see what was happening). As has been discussed, based on the eye-witness account(s) of the diner/gas station owner & her daughter - PF initially didn't want to give the stranger/perp. a ride. But, soon after, when he was driving past him - PF may have slowed down & the perp. may have just somewhat forced his way into the car. And, once he was in the car - I suspect that PF was either too polite or too scared to tell the guy to leave.

Very sad case.

The PF case is unique among many of the "True Crime" cases out there because we have a good idea of what happened here & who committed this heinous crime. However, we don't know the actual identity of the perp and/or the specific details re: what exactly occurred.

Well, we certainly do not. However, I am willing to bet that the RCMP has narrowed it down to 3-4 potential suspects, or possibly a prime suspect. RCMP are very good at holding their cards to their heart, and the Canadian Police information system is far more centralised than it's American counterpart, so it is easier to exchange information with different provinces and jurisdictions.

Do you guys give any credence to the Blair Adams theory?

Forgive my ignorance, but what is the Blair Adams theory? That Philip was gay?

Forgive my ignorance, but what is the Blair Adams theory? That Philip was gay?
Some have theorized that Blair Adams was the hitchhiker who murdered Fraser.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueCrimeDiscussion/comments/1aoexup/was_blair_adams_the_killer_of_phillip_innes/?rdt=55827

Some have theorized that Blair Adams was the hitchhiker who murdered Fraser.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueCrimeDiscussion/comments/1aoexup/was_blair_adams_the_killer_of_phillip_innes/?rdt=55827

Thanks for the link. I think this is a huge stretch in terms of tying these two cases together. I doubt it was Blair Adams.

No, I don't believe the perp. that killed PF was BA. The PF crime occurred in 1988. And, prior to BA's death in Summer 1996, he was a successful businessman/contractor who apparently had some kind of a break-down - not long before he died.

Also:

-The picture of the PF perp. didn't resemble BA to any great extent.
-By all accounts, the perp. had bad teeth. And, in one of the pics. of BA he had decent teeth. And, no - I don't think he got his teeth replaced between 1988 & whenever the pic. was taken (possibly sometime in the 1990's).

https://unsolved.com/gallery/blair-adams/

So, in closing - I don't believe BA went from being a homicidal drifter in the late 1980's to a successful contractor in the 1990's. This just doesn't track.

So, in closing - I don't believe BA went from being a homicidal drifter in the late 1980's to a successful contractor in the 1990's. This just doesn't track.

For real. It's really kind of puzzling what can get started when someone is sitting in front of a keyboard and has access to the internet. Blair Adams 'situation' occurred in 1996. Philip Fraser was murdered in 1988. I mean... sheesh Reddit – come on! Step away from the keyboard, Mr. Redditor.

I know we're all familiar with this set of composites:

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/unsolvedmysteries/images/0/0f/Phillip_innes_fraser2_suspect.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20170714152754

However, I don't think I had ever seen this next set of composites anywhere before tonight when I happened to just be googling about PF:

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/unsolvedmysteries/images/f/fe/Fraser_suspect.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20250109041000

The first (and well known) set are based on the Frocklage and Olson families recollections. The second set are composites of suspect from motorists who remember giving him a ride.

I didn't dig too far into this because it's late and I'm fading fast here before bedtime, but this is fresh on my mind and I wanted to post it. There was an article on americancrimejournal.com (https://americancrimejournal.com/an-interrupted-journey/) in 2018 about PF.

Link here (https://americancrimejournal.com/an-interrupted-journey/)

Apologies if this has already been mentioned and discussed. The author mentions the additional composites here:

What does bother me, they (UM) failed to elaborate on the suspect’s description and show all the composites. The two that generated the most leads were the two not shown on national television.

In addition, the suspect continued to use PF's identity for 'some time' (maybe weeks) and then the RCMP lost his trail.

Just so tragic. I wonder if showing the additional composites would have made a difference? Hindsight is 20/20, I suppose.

I think his parents should be taken to task. They were both physicians and yet he drove off on this long journey in an unreliable car. Surely they could have given him something safer to drive.

If he hadn't encountered car trouble for a couple of days before showing up at the cafe, there's a good chance he would not have encountered his killer to begin with.

I think his parents should be taken to task. They were both physicians and yet he drove off on this long journey in an unreliable car. Surely they could have given him something safer to drive.

If he hadn't encountered car trouble for a couple of days before showing up at the cafe, there's a good chance he would not have encountered his killer to begin with.

If that initial car trouble was indeed the fan belt, I'm surprised he was able to drive any further at all. Typically when that goes bad, you're lucky to get more than a few miles on the road. I wonder if it didn't have a different problem that hid the bad belt. In any case, you could make just as good an argument for if he'd had his guns with him, he might have been okay against the hitchhiker.

If that initial car trouble was indeed the fan belt, I'm surprised he was able to drive any further at all. Typically when that goes bad, you're lucky to get more than a few miles on the road. I wonder if it didn't have a different problem that hid the bad belt. In any case, you could make just as good an argument for if he'd had his guns with him, he might have been okay against the hitchhiker.

good point. maybe there was nothing wrong with the car and the fan belt was a ruse to do something else. he ended up burning the car anyway after the night that he spent with the people that housed him for a night. it's hard to tell what the murderer's motives were.

I think trying to apply any kind of rationale or motive to the killers decisions in this case is a fools errand. Every question as to why he went north, then went south, then burned the car, killed this person, didn't kill that person can all be answered with "he was insane" or "he was having some kind of manic episode".

My best guess is that this case is much like the L.A. ATM robbery case where the murderer went and died shortly after.

good point. maybe there was nothing wrong with the car and the fan belt was a ruse to do something else. he ended up burning the car anyway after the night that he spent with the people that housed him for a night. it's hard to tell what the murderer's motives were.

The fan belt thing that was apparently fixed before he left the Olsons is one thing, but it is mentioned that before arriving at the cafe (earlier in the trip), Philip "lost two days to car trouble." Even if the fan belt was indeed a ruse by the murderer, it doesn't sound like the type of car I'd trust to safely get me from Alaska to Washington.

The fan belt thing that was apparently fixed before he left the Olsons is one thing, but it is mentioned that before arriving at the cafe (earlier in the trip), Philip "lost two days to car trouble." Even if the fan belt was indeed a ruse by the murderer, it doesn't sound like the type of car I'd trust to safely get me from Alaska to Washington.

That's just part of owning a car. General Motors is often credited for being the pioneers of planned obsolescence.

This wasn’t a serial killer, IMO. Seems like Philip was just at the wrong place at the wrong time. The hitchhiker was homeless/mentally ill and wanted Philip’s car/money/identity. The fact that he didn’t kill the good samaritans tells me he realized he screwed up and had to make a getaway.

I think his parents should be taken to task. They were both physicians and yet he drove off on this long journey in an unreliable car. Surely they could have given him something safer to drive.

If he hadn't encountered car trouble for a couple of days before showing up at the cafe, there's a good chance he would not have encountered his killer to begin with.

You can't be serious...

This wasn’t a serial killer, IMO. Seems like Philip was just at the wrong place at the wrong time. The hitchhiker was homeless/mentally ill and wanted Philip’s car/money/identity. The fact that he didn’t kill the good samaritans tells me he realized he screwed up and had to make a getaway.

I guarantee the person who killed Phillip either has a criminal record, or has done other really bad things and has never been caught. Possibly both. Nobody goes through life to think one day "I'm just going to kill some random guy who gave me a ride," on a whim. Their bad behaviour probably had been progressing for years.

The case may never be solved, but I would not be at all surprised if the guy has done time in prison before, or since Phillip was murdered.

I guarantee the person who killed Phillip either has a criminal record, or has done other really bad things and has never been caught. Possibly both. Nobody goes through life to think one day "I'm just going to kill some random guy who gave me a ride," on a whim. Their bad behaviour probably had been progressing for years.

The case may never be solved, but I would not be at all surprised if the guy has done time in prison before, or since Phillip was murdered.

Yeah, the people who ran the rest stop said that the killer gave off such bad vibes that they couldn't help but notice. But to Nicoge's credit he didnt kill anyone else and he could've killed Phillip out of necessity. He could've easily murdered the elderly couple who let him stay the night but he didnt. I dont know if he was a serial killer or not, but he could've killed Phillip out of desperation. There's a chance that Phillip tried to kick him out of the car and as a hitchhiker who would've been on empty and possibly deserted road for a while..he could've been desperate

He was also smart to burn the vehicle. But I wonder how much DNA could've been lifted out of the couples basement?

He was also smart to burn the vehicle. But I wonder how much DNA could've been lifted out of the couples basement?

I was thinking the exact same thing about the DNA, whether Police recovered any. Having said that, I'm pretty convinced that the killer was familiar with the city of Prince George. He would have had to have known a place he could dispose of the vehicle (setting it on fire), without being out of place, or with witness sightings.

I've been to Prince George before. It's a city of about 80,000 people, and the main hub for Northern BC. Considering he was headed southbound, the hitchhiker would have had to pass through Prince George, as it's the first relatively large city that the highway enters.

I was thinking the exact same thing about the DNA, whether Police recovered any. Having said that, I'm pretty convinced that the killer was familiar with the city of Prince George. He would have had to have known a place he could dispose of the vehicle (setting it on fire), without being out of place, or with witness sightings.

I've been to Prince George before. It's a city of about 80,000 people, and the main hub for Northern BC. Considering he was headed southbound, the hitchhiker would have had to pass through Prince George, as it's the first relatively large city that the highway enters.

Youre absolutely right. Not only did he know where to dispose of the car, but he disappeared afterwards. So either he knew someone in the area or he knew where to go..but he definitely knew the area

I don't think the hitchhiker killed Philip to assume his identity, I think he was giving the Olson's false information so he couldn't be identified. The Olson's said he pulled out two wallets, one that had Canadian currency and the other that had American currency. He paid for his food at the cafe with Canadian currency. IMO, the guy was Canadian. He also tried selling the car to the Olson's for a plane ticket to Seattle. Did he actually want the Olson's to buy the ticket or give him the money that was needed for a ticket? Because Seattle could be a red herring. If he was trying to get to Seattle, why would he torch Philip's car hundreds of miles away? The segment also mentioned that the hitchhiker was familiar with Toronto, which is across the country from where the car was torched.

I think his parents should be taken to task. They were both physicians and yet he drove off on this long journey in an unreliable car. Surely they could have given him something safer to drive.

If he hadn't encountered car trouble for a couple of days before showing up at the cafe, there's a good chance he would not have encountered his killer to begin with.
While his car wasn’t good, I can’t blame the parents here. They didn’t tell their son to pick it a crazy hitchhiker who would kill him (likely for money). Even the people at the gas station thought he was not all there. Not blaming Philip by ANY means, but the blame should only go to the overweight guy who killed for money