First of all--applause for Denny Miller (does he get enough credit?). Here he played someone not all too different from the "Tongo" actor but actually does come off as a completely different character. They're both attractive, self-important, celebrity-type guys but we would never confuse them. Good job, Denny!

I love the "smorgasbroad" joke--that was really clever!

The whole situation with the Howells thinking that Duke is a "Duke" is hysterical! I wonder if they named him "Duke" for that reason or if it was the other way around.

Duke was one of the nicest visitors to the island. His only crimes were liking the girls and delaying his return because of this and hitting his head.

It's funny that Duke comes from Kansas (of all the states), just like Maryann, yet this conjures up no connection or conversation about it between them.

It's kind of impossible, I would think that Duke would be able to ride in on a tsunami! Here's probably some true GI fantasy!

It's really nice of the girls to share Duke like that--no fierce competition or anything. I guess that's what helped lead Joey Green to his "menage" theory about the girls.

Speaking of the "romance" component--alot of problems here. First of all, I just don't get Ginger's running from Duke? Is this just a necessary plot element at the expense of character? What do you think? Ginger loves men, she's experienced and she is very attracted to Duke and handsome men, in general. She certainly likes spending time around Duke--she doesn't just conclude he's "cute" but not bother with him because he's not her type. Yet, when he pursues her, she runs for her life. I don't get it in light of everything I've said.

Secondly on romance, I don't get Maryann's preferences. She is definitely attracted to Duke, this big, muscular, blond, self-important athletic type. Yet, she has also shown herself in other episodes to be crazy about Gilligan in what looks like a more than "platonic" way. Gilligan and Duke are really two different types. I can see a girl saying "Well, OK Gilligan, I'll go out on a date with you" and then being floored by Duke. But I can't see a girl who seems to be enamored of Gilligan (or a Gilligan type) then being SO interested in Duke (although I can see a girl crazy about Gilligan acknowledging that Duke is handsome). I don't get this either.

Thirdly, on romance--hey, what do you MAGs and GN/Ps make of this episode???? You all thought these couples were interested in each other and they supposedly put on an "act" to make Duke jealous. Maryann sounds as if she's coming up with ridiculous/untrue compliments with Gilligan and Gilligan seems to complain alot ("You're breaking me."). Ginger, of course, is an actress supposedly playing a role and the Professor is stiff and awkward with her. It's funny that the Professor has no trouble acting the suitor with Mrs. Howell in "Mr. and Mrs." Come on, MAGs and GN/Ps, you can't ignore this episode--what do you say to all this? Maryann even says after it's all over, "He fell for it!"

I find it ridiculously unbelievable that Gilligan, who is twentysomething and has graduated high school and been in the Navy and a close friend of his buddy, the Skipper, needs a talk on "the birds and the bees," unless that is just a term here for male/female relationship/interaction stuff.


OK--I've said alot here--please join me--don't let me be the only one!

This is funny episode.Duke was nice but,a little too quick with the girls...I thinks that was the problem,he didn't just want to flirt them but,he wanted to go all the way.That's funny because the two girls acted the same way...they were attracted by his muscles and they thought that he would just want to flirt nothing more.Remember that it was in the sixties,a girl who would go all the way with a guy they just met would have a really bad reputation.It was a family's show.

I like the sketch of MAG.They were so cute together but,Mary Ann was trying to be romantic but,Gilligan is Gilligan,shy & ackward as always but,G/P came out weird.I thought that I was watching 2 robots.You are right that the professor sounded much better when he pretended to flirt with Mrs.Howell in Mr & Mrs than with Ginger.

But,tsunami's rescue,I didn't get it at all.I know that Duke was a champ but,it was extremely dangerous.Sometimes,when they think about stupid plans like that,I'm glad that they don't get rescued.They are always thinking about rescue but,never about the guy who almost kills himself in the process.

Re: Duke and the girls. I didn't get the impression from things Ginger's said in other episodes that she had these kinds of restrictions. Some of the people she talks to/about are not serious relationships but the coast guard, sailors who "picked" her up, etc. I don't see the difference between Duke and one of these other types of guys, especially since she's so attracted to Duke. Of course, I agree, the show couldn't show her succumbing to him but it seems to be at the price of her character consistency--unless, for some reason, Duke just didn't make "that" kind of a cut.

Duke was one of the nicest visitors to the island. His only crimes were liking the girls and delaying his return because of this and hitting his head.

Speaking of the "romance" component--alot of problems here. First of all, I just don't get Ginger's running from Duke?!

I'm not so sure Duke was one of the nicest visitors. He seemed to be hitting on the girls hard enough to frighten them: even Ginger.


I find it ridiculously unbelievable that Gilligan, who is twentysomething and has graduated high school and been in the Navy and a close friend of his buddy, the Skipper, needs a talk on "the birds and the bees," unless that is just a term here for male/female relationship/interaction stuff.

I agree. Perhaps Gilligan simply didn't know what the idiom referred to. He certainly seems more nervous than naive about male/female interaction in other episodes, and even here, he's the one who figures out why Duke won't leave, long before the Professor does. "Professor, while you're building him up, they're knocking him down!"

Interesting that here it's the girls who very nearly sabotage the rescue, and are quite oblivious and selfish about it! Also, here's a rare and very sweet instance where we see Mrs. Howell acting as a mother towards the girls. I wish we'd seen more of these moments.

First of all, I just don't get Ginger's running from Duke? Is this just a necessary plot element at the expense of character? What do you think? Ginger loves men, she's experienced and she is very attracted to Duke and handsome men, in general. She certainly likes spending time around Duke--she doesn't just conclude he's "cute" but not bother with him because he's not her type. Yet, when he pursues her, she runs for her life. I don't get it in light of everything I've said.

First, I think the audience is supposed to imply that Duke's come-on to Ginger was more... involved... shall we say, than it appeared. Family show and all. Ginger would have picked up on this and despite the fact that she seems experienced, I think a lot of that is part of the starlet persona that she plays up. Like some of her acting credits, her stories of conquests past are probably... creatively embellished.

Even if we take Duke's come-on at face value and don't imply more, Ginger running from him is still in character. Why would she do this, when she's been flirting with him like mad and is obviously attracted to him? It's the same contradiction in her character that has her slapping Gilligan for "propositioning" her after she's come on to him very strongly countless times. Same contradiction that has her completely scandalized at Gilligan wearing a towel in front of her, when she did the same to him in a much earlier episode.

When it comes to male/female romantic interaction, she absolutely has to have control, and she uses overt flirting to get it. If she loses control, her response is to become indignant or afraid, even running away. It isn't because she's a control freak, it's probably insecurity/fear. Maybe she has a fear of intimacy, or maybe she's just been fending off "casting couch" situations for too many years. Arguably part of the reason she's so attracted to the Professor is because he's romantically harmless (yet attracted to her), and because she's gotten to know him as a friend-- probably a first for her. The same might be said about her relationship with Gilligan, but I think he's probably TOO "harmless" for her. ;)

When it comes to male/female romantic interaction, she absolutely has to have control, and she uses overt flirting to get it. If she loses control, her response is to become indignant or afraid, even running away. It isn't because she's a control freak, it's probably insecurity/fear. Maybe she has a fear of intimacy, or maybe she's just been fending off "casting couch" situations for too many years. Arguably part of the reason she's so attracted to the Professor is because he's romantically harmless (yet attracted to her), and because she's gotten to know him as a friend-- probably a first for her. The same might be said about her relationship with Gilligan, but I think he's probably TOO "harmless" for her. ;)

I think you've got Ginger dead on, and that insecurity is quite an appealing aspect to her character - it allows everyone to identify with her.

The Professor is the one man Ginger ever permits to "come on" to her, in the scene where he is trying to figure out what perfume she's wearing. Her delighted laughter is a testament to her trust in him, as well as her attraction. In a somewhat similar way, her friendship with Gilligan allows her to quickly forgive him for seemingly trying to get the upper hand (on those rare occasions when it ever happens!). She's very kind to him after she realizes the towell business was unintentional, and when Gilligan's double jumps her in the jungle, she's actually calling him sweetie and saying she doesn't want to hurt his feelings while he's pawing her.

You and I have talked about Ginger's courage in the episode, "The Hunter." In light of her insecurity, her actions in this episode become doubly impressive. Kinkaid is enough to scare anybody already, and his confident and very aggressive attentions towards Ginger, not to mention his ominous suggestion that he spares her because she is female, should be enough to send her running for the hills. Yet she permits Kinkaid to embrace her and risks much more, to save the friend she loves. It is arguably her noblest moment in the series.

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Thirdly, on romance--hey, what do you MAGs and GN/Ps make of this episode???? You all thought these couples were interested in each other and they supposedly put on an "act" to make Duke jealous. Maryann sounds as if she's coming up with ridiculous/untrue compliments with Gilligan and Gilligan seems to complain alot ("You're breaking me."). Ginger, of course, is an actress supposedly playing a role and the Professor is stiff and awkward with her. It's funny that the Professor has no trouble acting the suitor with Mrs. Howell in "Mr. and Mrs." Come on, MAGs and GN/Ps, you can't ignore this episode--what do you say to all this? Maryann even says after it's all over, "He fell for i
Well I think that Mr. Bowel said it wood be like taking candy from a baby because he knew that thay liked each other I mean look at the episode castaway pictures presents and the match maker

I love episode analysis and this is my favorite episode. Thanks for choosing it among the first in this series. That said if I ramble on about this episode please let me know.

This time I just want to address some of the thoughts surrounding Mary Ann. I agree it seems a bit odd for her to be so into Gilligan then toss him aside for a completely different type. I think, however, that Mary Ann's small-town, sheltered upbringing gives her lowered expectations. Not that there's anything wrong with the big-hearted Gilligan it's just that a tall, handsome, confident, bronzed muscleman like Duke (who even causes the worldly Ginger to swoon) was unknown to her. When Duke says, "Stop dreaming The Duke has arrived!" I think in her case it's an understatement...Even the men in Mary Ann's dreams couldn't match up to Duke!

Believe this is proven when Ginger rushes into the hut out of breath and upset. Instead of her normal concern for a Castaway in distress when she hears Duke's name mentioned she just sighs dreamily and says, "there's nothing wrong with him..." She even tries to put the blame on Ginger for being "too glamorous" and then goes to Duke despite the warnings of Ginger who acts as her mentor on men in other episodes.

Even after Duke's failed come-on he tells Skipper he was talking to Mary Ann before she turned in and she shows up at the lagoon to watch him surf off. It appears Ginger never spoke to Duke after their ill-fated encounter and she was the only one not watching Duke at the lagoon.

I just think Mary Ann was so overwhelmed by Duke physically based on where she had come from that she lost her idea of what she really wanted temporarily. Once she's had time to get Duke out of her system the MAG dance resumes.

Sorry for getting verbose, but I love the comments here and look forward to more. I have some thoughts about the Mary Ann/Ginger jealousy angle, but I'll save them for next time. Thanks!

I liked this episode! I like the color episodes much better, seeing the beautiful colors on the island made the show so much better. For you guys , I'm sure you liked seeing Ginger's pretty red hair! So therefore more color epps are my favs than the black and white. I really liked Big man on little stick and also Japanese sailor though.

I agree it was nice of the girls to share Duke in this episode, but we only see one day with him and I think the underpinnings for some jealousy/cattiness were there. If he had stayed just a bit longer it could of been fun to see how this worked.

I'm thinking about the scene where Duke is showing off for the girls down at the lagoon. Ginger strikes a sexy pose, Duke compliments her deltoids and even though Mary Ann is just feet away and obviously heard Ginger repeats the compliment to her as if to say "see he likes me".

Not to be outdone Mary Ann does her own pose, Duke compliments her lattissimus dorsi and Mary Ann repeats it right back at Ginger. However, Ginger acts like that's no big deal saying, "whatever that is".

Ginger probably doesn't know where either muscle is or care. She's obviously just trying to play down Mary Ann's chances with Duke and play up her own.

Would've been fun to see how Ginger and Mary Ann in a full blown competition over Duke would play out...

OK I am new here, and this is a PG or R rated forum, so I don't want to make waves!!!

BUT!!!!!!!!!

How about Ginger and Maryanne doing Duke together!!!!!

OK I am new here, and this is a PG or R rated forum, so I don't want to make waves!!!

BUT!!!!!!!!!

How about Ginger and Maryanne doing Duke together!!!!!

LOL bonniegirl62 if Duke hadn't gotten amnesia he might be on this thread right now saying he likes the way you think! Of course they couldn't even hint at this at the time so Duke makes no attempts at it. As for Ginger I agree with littlesoprano, she had to be in control and would've wanted Duke to herself. Even if we imagine Duke and Ginger at their wildest Mary Ann would always be the fly in the ointment. Can't imagine even in the deepest, darkest recesses of her heart (if she even has them) that she would be part of that. Fun to imagine though!

LOL bonniegirl62 if Duke hadn't gotten amnesia he might be on this thread right now saying he likes the way you think! Of course they couldn't even hint at this at the time so Duke makes no attempts at it. As for Ginger I agree with littlesoprano, she had to be in control and would've wanted Duke to herself. Even if we imagine Duke and Ginger at their wildest Mary Ann would always be the fly in the ointment. Can't imagine even in the deepest, darkest recesses of her heart (if she even has them) that she would be part of that. Fun to imagine though!


OH I know, the 60's TV couldn't go there, there would never be a hint of a threesome going on back than on TV!!! :eek:

OK, now I am really going to get carried away, out on a limb here. How about if Mrs. Howell was tired of old Thurston, like if he was having "bedroom issues". No Viagra back than !!:D Mrs. Howell sees that young hotty on the island and thinks, mmmmm,:happyface wouldn't mind having some of that Duke!!!!! :lol: :D

Now you are really out there imagination-wise bonniegirl62...I like it...pushing the envelope. Who knows? If Duke were stuck there and the girls stayed mad maybe it would be an "any port in a storm" scenario for him. As for Lovey she's very uptight, but would a little dalliance with the hunky pool boy, so to speak, really weaken any rescue effort...Guess we'll never know...LOL!


Interesting that here it's the girls who very nearly sabotage the rescue, and are quite oblivious and selfish about it!

callensensei you nailed what I always thought was the biggest character conundrum here. The girls liking then rejecting Duke can be chalked up to the more sexually conservative times or Ginger's control issue. But Mary Ann did long to see her family and Ginger wanted to get back to her career so why would they not be onboard with the Reverse Tsunami?

I think the answer lies in the walk they take with Duke after Professor announces the wave will be back in 48 hours. Gilligan says, "that means you can get us all rescued" and the girls look to Duke expectantly. For his part he brushes it off with "yeah we'll have to talk about that" and takes off with the girls.

Talking about it is I think what happens on that walk either thru prodding by the girls or as a pre-emptive strike by Duke. He probably went to the two excuses he ultimately uses with Skipper as a means to prolong his stay. First he'd tell them what he told Skipper at the beginning of the episode...that he doesn't need a tsunami to surf back to Hawaii. He's a champ on the board and obviously knows more about it than Prof so the girls might buy it. He probably even believes himself that when he gets tired of the girls he can surf/paddle his way at least back to the shipping lanes.

Second I think he'd go with what he tells Skipper the next night that, "I'm in no shape for a tsunami". One might think this hard for the girls to fathom since they spent the day watching Duke flex his muscles, perform feats of strength, toss around a barbell Gilligan couldn't budge and do 180+ pushups, but it would play right into their nurturing side. Mary Ann would be happy to make him special meals to build up his strength and even gather and prepare provisions for his ultimate ride. For her part Ginger has always considered herself a healer. She plays nurse, therapist, lab assistant throughout the series so she'd be thrilled to be Duke's masseuse, physical therapist, mental motivator, so on.

As enthralled as they were with Duke physically I think they would've bought this and figured it would give them more time with Duke. Ginger might get her tumble in the jungle, Mary Ann might win Duke's heart and they'd still get rescued in the end. So I guess I don't think they were oblivious, but I agree they were selfish and trying to have it all.

Obviously there was no hanky-panky in the jungle that night since the girls still liked Duke the next day...Does the Duke Excuse theory make sense...Love to hear folks thoughts!

OK I am new here, and this is a PG or R rated forum, so I don't want to make waves!!!

BUT!!!!!!!!!

How about Ginger and Maryanne doing Duke together!!!!!
LOL! I'd love to see you when you ARE making waves!!!

ay carumba :D

Love how Denny Miller can make us like and even feel a little sorry for a mindless, muscle-headed, wolf like Duke. Definitely a great job by him...Not to mention he was one built cat for the early/mid 60s!

Like they way he refers to himself as the "muscle machine" down at the lagoon. And when he flexes his biceps and the girls swoon (What skin!...and what bones!!) I can't imagine there was a boy out there watching after-school reruns who didn't wish they were Duke!

Also I recall reading that in the shot where Duke lifts the girls from his shoulders that was all Denny...no strings or wires supporting them. That must've been difficult on two fronts. First trying to balance the petite Dawn with the bigger, heavier Tina. Second after practicing the lift, rehearsing it and then doing multiple takes to get it right I wonder how his back was feeling the next morning (similarly how many pushups did he have to do on that table till they got shot done). Though I guess it was probably fun to be hoisting two beautiful women. Plus the girls seemed to be having a ball with Tina kicking her feet happily which probably wasn't in the script since Dawn didn't do the same. Whatever the case he was one powerful dude.

Finally it was amazing how he fit in Gilligan's t-shirt and jeans. I think the pants only came halfway down his calves yet he was able to button them at the waist. Incredible considering his chest, shoulders and arms looked like they were about to rip out of the t-shirt that usually hung loosely on Gilligan. Would've liked to see him flex his muscles in it, but then it probably would've taken Mary Ann a week to sew it back together again, LOL!

Duke has to be the coolest visitor to the Island!

I thought his teeny tiny shorts were quite racy, especially as the button was undone. And while he was lying down on the sand you could almost see right up the legs. Not that I looked. OK, yes I did. I looked. I looked a lot :)

I think Duke's shorts were even racier than Mary Ann's.

You mentioned Gilligan's t-shirt. In Season 1, Gilligan wore the t shirt a lot more, plus he slept in the t-shirt and bare feet. So much more realistic for a tropical island. I wonder if that's something the censors took issue with. Maybe Gilligan's bare feet were as scandalous to them as Mary Ann's navel. But funnily enough, not Ginger's cleavage or Mary Ann's butt cheeks which could sometimes be seen in those tiny shorts!

I thought his teeny tiny shorts were quite racy, especially as the button was undone. And while he was lying down on the sand you could almost see right up the legs. Not that I looked. OK, yes I did. I looked. I looked a lot :)

I think Duke's shorts were even racier than Mary Ann's.

You mentioned Gilligan's t-shirt. In Season 1, Gilligan wore the t shirt a lot more, plus he slept in the t-shirt and bare feet. So much more realistic for a tropical island. I wonder if that's something the censors took issue with. Maybe Gilligan's bare feet were as scandalous to them as Mary Ann's navel. But funnily enough, not Ginger's cleavage or Mary Ann's butt cheeks which could sometimes be seen in those tiny shorts!


Remember though, Mary Ann was the "moral compass" of the show, so it really didn't matter if her butt cheeks were hanging out or not! :lol:

BTW, Teebs, you are right, you COULD see Mary Ann's butt cheeks hanging out a few times on the show. I guess that explains why men favored her over Ginger! lol Ginger was really pretty conservative...she just showed a little cleavage!

Remember though, Mary Ann was the "moral compass" of the show, so it really didn't matter if her butt cheeks were hanging out or not!

Ah yes, the 'moral compass'. Let's all be good girls and run around with our butt cheeks hanging out! Dawn said she cut the legs high to make her legs look longer. Hmmm. :wink:

Of course men prefer Mary Ann. She's non-threatening and sexy in a child-like, innocent sort of way. I don't want to hear men denying they want to 'show her the ropes'. Dawn knows this, and she exploits it.

Whereas Ginger would cut them down to size in a second. She already knows what's what. No man will ever dominate Ginger!

She'd let Professor try, though. She'd let him think he was in charge. :D

Ah yes, the 'moral compass'. Let's all be good girls and run around with our butt cheeks hanging out! Dawn said she cut the legs high to make her legs look longer. Hmmm. :wink:

Of course men prefer Mary Ann. She's non-threatening and sexy in a child-like, innocent sort of way. I don't want to hear men denying they want to 'show her the ropes'. Dawn knows this, and she exploits it.

Whereas Ginger would cut them down to size in a second. She already knows what's what. No man will ever dominate Ginger!

She'd let Professor try, though. She'd let him think he was in charge. :D


I couldn't agree more! I just get the biggest kick out of Dawn Wells saying in interviews she was the "moral compass" of the show, yet she ran around with most of her body showing in the series (and let's not forget the cheeks! lol), not to mention she was touching on or hanging on Russell Johnson, or standing near him every chance she got. What man is not going to notice this, and probably respond to it?! Tina didn't play that game!

Dawn has said in an interview w/ the Huffington Post she and RJ had a special connection, but they could never hook up because they were both married. "I could have fallen in love with the Professor in a minute, but we were both married." She also says they probably didn't act on it because they were afraid it would show on screen. Okay...whatever?! I think that failed, because we see all the pawing and touching going on between them in the series!

So here is Dawn talking about wanting to mess around w/RJ, and dresses like she did on the show, but yet she claims she is the moral one! This is why I don't have much respect for Dawn Wells! She continues to act this way on FB!

I have much more respect for Tina. Tina Louise was who she was, and didn't pretend to be anything else. And yes, Tina could hold her own w/ any man, and she was probably was too much of a woman for most men. I honestly think she intimidated a lot of men!

Tina and RJ may not have been in love or really close friends off screen, but they had GREAT chemistry on screen! I really enjoy(ed) watching them in their scenes together, that's for sure. I'm thinking there probably had to be a little sexual tension and attraction going on between them in real life when they were filming...they sure acted like they enjoyed each other! lol

I'm not really into all of that 'Professor and Mary Ann' business. I don't really notice how much she stands near him or touches him. She does the same with Gilligan- especially in season one. For some reason, people put them together because they appear together in the credits, which was down to Bob Denver asking that they stop being referred to as 'the rest'.

I don't know why Dawn would want to make it known that she and RJ were interested in each other when they were both married. It's kind of disrespectful to the people they were married to! She seems to enjoy joking about it in interviews. But back in the day there were also rumours about her and Bob Denver so I really don't know what all went on, and we will never really know because she sure as heck ain't gonna tell us :)

Tina may have had a reputation as a bit of a prima donna, but to be fair, she was tricked into joining the show by her agent who told her she would be the star. But you have never heard her in interviews teasing people about the sexiness of the clothes she wore or saying she was interested in married men. She's kept her dignity, no matter what anyone thinks.

For me, the moral compass of the show is Gilligan. Gilligan is loyal, goodnatured, bighearted, kind, friendly, not malicious or spiteful, never does anything for his own gain. He's unselfish and funny and trustworthy. He'd make a great friend for a boy or a girl. He never does anything out of spite. He never calls the others names the way they all called him a 'pest' in It's Magic.

i just don't buy into the popular opinion of Mary Ann being the show sweetheart.

GILLIGAN is.

Ha...glad I wasn't the only one noticing Duke's buttons...

Let's see we've discussed a Duke/Ginger/Mary Ann ménage...looking up Duke's shorts...Mary Ann's butt cheeks...extra-marital flirting...now this is a thread I can get into, LOL!

I agree that Gilligan is the real Moral Compass. He faces the tough choices and usually chooses right. Yet he does so despite often being picked on as you mentioned.

Not from an ethical standpoint but I did notice in "Big Man..." Gilligan got abused, mentally and physically, quite a bit...Here's what I saw as the Episode 21 Trial of Willy:
-Ridiculed by Skipper at the lagoon for first struggling with Irving (1) then for giving Duke artificial respiration (2).
-Scoffed at by Prof/Skipper for suggesting Duke ride back on a reverse tsunami (3) though, lo and behold, the Prof finds a reverse tsunami hours later (no apology results).
-Mr. Howell whacks him with riding crop (4).
-Slams into Duke and collapses on beach (5).
-Called "Little Man" by Duke (6), tossed in the air like ragdoll by Duke (7) and shown up in front of girls by having Duke's enormous bicep flexed in his face (8).
-Ignored by the girls and Duke, skulks off (9).
-Chided by Skipper for lifting empty coconut shell dumbells (10).
-Trapped under barbell (11), fingers crushed by barbell (12), trapped under barbell (13), humiliated by girls (14, "just give up", "you have to have muscles to do that"), trapped under barbell (15).
-Worn out from exercise, collapses on bench (16), abruptly/roughly woken by Prof (17).
-Belittled by Skipper about "Birds and Bees" (18), shoved down by Skipper while doing pushups (19).
-Knee crushed by Mary Ann (20).
-Crashes out of tree onto Skipper (21).

Woe is definitely Gilligan!
Did I miss any? :crazy:

Knee crushed by Mary Ann (20)

It's the weight of those butt cheeks :lol:

Poor old Gilligan, and that's just one episode. I thought it was pretty out-of-character for them to leave Gilligan lying in the sand trapped under the barbell.

What GI seems to be teaching us is that if you're a sweet natured, nice person, you'll get dumped on. No wonder the world is such a mess.

Ah, yes done in by those Belligerent Butt Cheeks of Death!

And how could I forget #22 Gilligan's near-death experience while tied to Duke's surfboard...

I'm with you on the oddness of the girls leaving Gilligan to be crushed by the barbell. If you take it that they were so enamored with him they'd do anything he said then why did they run from him so quickly the next day...Guess they just couldn't wait to get back to their joyride on Duke's shoulders!

At least in this episode the hard-trying Gilligan gets the girl in the end...of course, then he doesn't know what to do with her, but oh well...
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Those shorts are positively obscene. **stares at shorts for like a full ten minutes** :happyface

Nah, Gilligan may be skinny but he's my kinda guy- lean and wiry. "If you like skin and bone, that's what I got the most of!"

Brains- not so much. Who ties their feet to a surfboard? :rolleyes:

I'm not really into all of that 'Professor and Mary Ann' business. I don't really notice how much she stands near him or touches him. She does the same with Gilligan- especially in season one. For some reason, people put them together because they appear together in the credits, which was down to Bob Denver asking that they stop being referred to as 'the rest'.

I don't know why Dawn would want to make it known that she and RJ were interested in each other when they were both married. It's kind of disrespectful to the people they were married to! She seems to enjoy joking about it in interviews. But back in the day there were also rumours about her and Bob Denver so I really don't know what all went on, and we will never really know because she sure as heck ain't gonna tell us :)

Tina may have had a reputation as a bit of a prima donna, but to be fair, she was tricked into joining the show by her agent who told her she would be the star. But you have never heard her in interviews teasing people about the sexiness of the clothes she wore or saying she was interested in married men. She's kept her dignity, no matter what anyone thinks.

For me, the moral compass of the show is Gilligan. Gilligan is loyal, goodnatured, bighearted, kind, friendly, not malicious or spiteful, never does anything for his own gain. He's unselfish and funny and trustworthy. He'd make a great friend for a boy or a girl. He never does anything out of spite. He never calls the others names the way they all called him a 'pest' in It's Magic.

i just don't buy into the popular opinion of Mary Ann being the show sweetheart.

GILLIGAN is.

Thank you Teebs! for saying that Dawn Wells talking about she & RJ being interested in each other was very disrespectful to the people they were married to! I thought the very same thing when I read this. RJs wife at the time passed in 1980 or so, but the daughter from that marriage is still alive and would be hurt to read these comments by Dawn! Don't know if Dawn's husband from that time is still alive or not, but her marriage to him did end when GI was cancelled. I just don't get why she would even go there now! She's not making herself or RJ look very good. Again, not a big Dawn Wells fan! Or of the butt cheeks! lol PS: Been laughing so hard about the comments on here about the butt cheeks!

Also agree with you that Tina Louise HAS kept her dignity, and has not played the silly Mary Ann or Ginger game and other things Dawn seems to thrive on. One reporter said Dawn still seems to be living in the past with all this, while Tina has long moved on with her life. Totally agree.

And yes, I think you make a great point about Gilligan being the moral compass of the show. Gilligan didn't have a mean bone in his body, and never said anything bad about anyone! Always willing to help others... he's just so lovable!

My heart still belongs to the Professor though! :lol:

I don't think Dawn's ex-husband is alive. If not, then I don't know when he passed. Marriage break-ups are always painful and you should just try to respect their memory if they're not around any more, even if the marriage went bad. Saying that you preferred someone else all those years you were married is not very nice at all. I can't imagine what RJ's daughter would make of Dawn cracking jokes about how she wanted to sail off into the sunset with her father!

That said, I'm aware that Dawn has millions of fans. She is the only one of the cast left that flies the flag for GI. Tina, as you say, moved on a long time ago. Tina speaks about GI when she has to, and she never says anything bad about it. But she has her own life now.

Dawn has this routine in interviews, much like anyone who has spoken about the same subject all their lives. She gets asked the same questions and gives the same answers, like a script she's memorized over the last 50 years. I can see why she would give 'safe' answers to most questions, or steer the questions onto neutral ground. I have no problems with anything she says, apart from the RJ thing. Especially as she's always quick to squash any rumours of on-set romances.

The silly Mary Ann or Ginger 'competition'. Ugh. I never see any Gilligan or the Professor competitions. Dawn does perpetuate it. She teases guys on facebook and gets them all worked up sexually and then says Mary Ann was the moral compass.

Gilligan was the moral compass and Bob Denver was the show's sweetheart in this fan's not-so-humble opinion. :lol:

We know the score, eh!

I don't think Dawn's ex-husband is alive. If not, then I don't know when he passed. Marriage break-ups are always painful and you should just try to respect their memory if they're not around any more, even if the marriage went bad. Saying that you preferred someone else all those years you were married is not very nice at all. I can't imagine what RJ's daughter would make of Dawn cracking jokes about how she wanted to sail off into the sunset with her father!

That said, I'm aware that Dawn has millions of fans. She is the only one of the cast left that flies the flag for GI. Tina, as you say, moved on a long time ago. Tina speaks about GI when she has to, and she never says anything bad about it. But she has her own life now.

Dawn has this routine in interviews, much like anyone who has spoken about the same subject all their lives. She gets asked the same questions and gives the same answers, like a script she's memorized over the last 50 years. I can see why she would give 'safe' answers to most questions, or steer the questions onto neutral ground. I have no problems with anything she says, apart from the RJ thing. Especially as she's always quick to squash any rumours of on-set romances.

The silly Mary Ann or Ginger 'competition'. Ugh. I never see any Gilligan or the Professor competitions. Dawn does perpetuate it. She teases guys on facebook and gets them all worked up sexually and then says Mary Ann was the moral compass.

Gilligan was the moral compass and Bob Denver was the show's sweetheart in this fan's not-so-humble opinion. :lol:

We know the score, eh!


Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Dawn or anything...just not a fan for the reasons I mentioned above. To me, she's hypocritical in some of the things she says and does. I WILL give Dawn credit, as you mentioned, she does take up for GI and try to keep the great memories of the show alive.

To her credit, Tina has denied any rumors of romance on the show regarding her and the Professor. She said there was "no sex" on GI! lol Just lots of kissing!! And butt cheeks! hahaha

I really don't harness any bad feelings at all toward Tina if she wanted to "move on" from GI. I mean, would you have wanted to star in some of the movies?! lol The first one was pretty good, but the others were not good at all, and I'm being kind.

Always thought Proffy was a pretty good moral compass too. And oh so beautiful! lol

Oh, BTW, just wanted to say I LOVE reading the FanFiction stories about the Professor and Ginger by Bridget Sharpe. What a great job she does in the "Eternal Flame" story of taking us on the journey of love and life with Proffy & Ginger after they tell each other they love each other. This sounds exactly like a script Sherwood Schwartz would have loved for the movie that never happened with Ginger/Professor and Gilligan/Mary Ann marrying and having children! It's been fun Teebs! Later!

Since this is my favorite episode I just wanted to point out at that the great Denny Miller as Duke Williams will be surfing into the Island on Monday Sept. 8, 9:30 PM ET on ME-TV...in color, no less. Check it out as he entrances the girls with his good looks and rippling muscles, makes Gilligan jealous and is ultimately done in by a dastardly Howell Plan. Would love to hear folks comment on this episode...Mahalo!!

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