I'm curious to know what everyone thinks are the most disturbing segments. I'm not really talking about ghost/supernatural segments, I'm talking about segments that you think twice about before watching them. :eek:

Mine are:

Dave Bocks
Mary Morris murders
Little boy & his friend died in burning shed
Blind River Rest Stop murders
Tracy Kirkpatrick
Dana Satterfield

This is a subjective question that pops up now and again. I suspect the answers you will receive will be over the map. A lot of the segments are disturbing - to what degree and which ones effect each of us personally is a very individualized and introspective question.

My selections

Eric and Pam Ellender
Roxanne Jo Jeeves and Kristopher Korper
Woman and son terrorized while on a canoe trip (was it Memorial Day? If so, tomorrow is the anniversary)
Sarah Beard
"Debbie"
The Boston Shopping Mall Rapist
Kenneth Robert Stanton

For whatever reason I still can't watch the Allagash Abductions. There was a time when I was a kid that a lot of the segments bothered me. I'd say now I can handle watching almost every one of them except this one. The segment they way they portrayed it is almost nightmarish so maybe thats something to do with it. I don't know.

Some of the more disturbing ones that haven't been mentioned:

Nyleen Kay Marshall
Lisa Marie Kimmell
Tara Calico
Angela Hammond
Cindy James
Rachel Runyan
Dexter Stefonek
Las Cruces Bowling Alley Massacre

I'm curious to know what everyone thinks are the most disturbing segments. I'm not really talking about ghost/supernatural segments, I'm talking about segments that you think twice about before watching them. :eek:

Mine are:

Dave Bocks
Mary Morris murders
Little boy & his friend died in burning shed
Blind River Rest Stop murders
Tracy Kirkpatrick
Dana Satterfield
The Blind River rest stop murders were the most disturbing for me . Any new info on this case? Is Mr. Mccallister still even alive?

For whatever reason I still can't watch the Allagash Abductions. There was a time when I was a kid that a lot of the segments bothered me. I'd say now I can handle watching almost every one of them except this one. The segment they way they portrayed it is almost nightmarish so maybe thats something to do with it. I don't know.

I agree with you, DD. I dunno if the story is hogwash or not, but that segment still sends chills down my spine. The voice testimonies over the various artwork from the Allagash Four depicting the alien encounter is pretty darn freaky scary. A well produced segment.

I think the segment where Eddie Wooten and Cheryl Holland murdered their aunt and uncle Joe and Mattie Harvey in the middle of the night, put their bodies into the Harvey's car trunk and drove it out to dump it into the drink across state lines all while their kids were with them in the getaway truck was pretty disturbing.

The Stanley Gryziec case was disturbing as well and the composites at the end were scary as hell too.

I second the Dana Satterfield segment too. That one was disturbing and very scary.

The Stanley Gryziec case was disturbing as well and the composites at the end were scary as hell too.

Tell me about it. They look like good for nothing, street thugs from the 40's or something.

For me......and I can watch a lot, but these segments either scare the bejesus out of me or I get too upset to watch them.

The murder of Bobo & the other sea lion in San Diego
Blind River Rest Stop robbery/murder
Dead Steamer Trunk guy
Las Cruces Bowling Alley Massacre
"Debby"
Jenny Pratt

Almost all child abduction cases scared me when I was young, but Michaela Garecht really freaked me out. Others that were creepy over the years

Orange Sock Murders
Kurt Sova
Blind River Rest Stop
Eric Tamiasu
Cindy James
Diana Shawcroft and Jennifer Lueth

For whatever reason I still can't watch the Allagash Abductions. There was a time when I was a kid that a lot of the segments bothered me. I'd say now I can handle watching almost every one of them except this one. The segment they way they portrayed it is almost nightmarish so maybe thats something to do with it. I don't know.

I also agree with you. I have seen the segment a few times and each time it creeps me out. I remember a few years back I was watching tv late one night and UM was on and it featured the case and I couldn't sleep that night.

I'm still far from being done with CD's discs, but here are some that always get me:

Allagash Abductions (by far the most disturbing of the UFO variety)
"Debby"
Blind River Rest Stop Killers
Angela Hammond
Kurt Sova
Steamer Trunk
Edward Harold Bell
Jeffrey McDonald
Cindy James ("Scared to Death")
Richard Church ("Richard's Rampage")

I have yet to see the "steamer trunk guy" episode, but I looked on the UM website and the police rendition pic was pretty spooky.

I was always terrified of the ghost head in the haunted bar/hotel.

Dennis DePue...scared me to death!

I can't watch the "Friends to the End" segment where the two boys were laid on the railroad tracks

And the Blind River Rest stop (that composite gave me nightmares for a year!)

Rachael Runyan: I'm orginally from Sunset UT and even attended the school from where she was abducted, so this hit close to home.

The Dave Bocks murder really disturbed me because of the possibility he may have been alive when he was put in that furnace. Just like the investigative journalist they interviewed on the show said "I cant imagine a more horrible death".

I'd say, back in the day, watching the Doreen Picard was brutal. That really set the scene I guess. :eek:

How about the New Hampshire serial killer? Creepy. That segment always freaks me out.

The Rick Church one I can't watch in the dark to this day. The way it was set up, without any sound and the music that accompanied it. EEEHHHHH. Majorly freaked out by the time it was done.

I'm curious to know what everyone thinks are the most disturbing segments. I'm not really talking about ghost/supernatural segments, I'm talking about segments that you think twice about before watching them. :eek:

Mine are:

Dave Bocks
Mary Morris murders
Little boy & his friend died in burning shed
Blind River Rest Stop murders
Tracy Kirkpatrick
Dana Satterfield

-Old thread but Im going to answer anyways!!

-Chaim Weiss
-Angela Hammond
-Blind River Murders
-The Wackers

The Blind River Rest Stop, Dwayne McCorkendale, and Angela Hammond were always the ones I seem to remember being most disturbing. And the steamer trunk victim, just saw that one for the first time, and that was pretty disturbing too. To think some lady would actually stuff an elderly man in a trunk like that is sickening.

The segment about the doctor who drugged and raped his victims---I forget his name---I want to say his first name is Kenneth or Keith---there's nothing "scary" about it, but after I saw it again on the forbidden site, there were tons of victim-blaming comments and after that, I can't watch the case again. There are so many hateful idiots that troll on UM videos there. None of those women were asking to be drugged and raped by a man they thought wouldn't hurt them.

I won't watch the Edward Harold Bell one again either. While it's great he was caught, it was still a senseless tragedy.

The hit-and-run of the four young black men before Christmas that may have been a hate crime, I had to quit that one as well. The composite sketch of the alleged killer is also extremely frightening.

There are so many hateful idiots that troll on UM videos there.

I know T_T I can hardly enjoy the videos there because of those people. It's really depressing and makes me think of the darker side of people who watch this show I love. But then, I come on this board and am reminded of all the great people who are fans too.

The Angela Hammond one always got me.

And the one of the girl--she'd just turned 16--who'd had premonitions of her death when she was little and thought she wouldn't survive to 16? She went out some time around 11 at night to get a paperback from a local store, actually bought the book and then didn't make it home. She was kidnapped in the parking lot, and later they found her body in a rural area by a lake. It was in Colorado, I think. And some creepy dude called up and said that he'd been out of town, but he'd heard her yell a name and gave a license plate number.

The Angela Hammond one always got me.

And the one of the girl--she'd just turned 16--who'd had premonitions of her death when she was little and thought she wouldn't survive to 16? She went out some time around 11 at night to get a paperback from a local store, actually bought the book and then didn't make it home. She was kidnapped in the parking lot, and later they found her body in a rural area by a lake. It was in Colorado, I think. And some creepy dude called up and said that he'd been out of town, but he'd heard her yell a name and gave a license plate number.

Kathy Hobbs from Las Vegas. :)

I think the very worst one (because I have a 7 year old son) is Roxanne Jeeves and her son that were senselessly murdered. Just thinking of the complete terror that they both went through...if I thought about that too much it would really make me just about give up on humanity. I mean what kind of people do that? And they didn't even owe the drug dealers the money...her brother did. I can't watch that one at all.

I think the very worst one (because I have a 7 year old son) is Roxanne Jeeves and her son that were senselessly murdered. Just thinking of the complete terror that they both went through...if I thought about that too much it would really make me just about give up on humanity. I mean what kind of people do that? And they didn't even owe the drug dealers the money...her brother did. I can't watch that one at all.

I don't think I've ever seen that episode. Is it on the site that shall not be mentioned?

I don't think I've ever seen that episode. Is it on the site that shall not be mentioned?

I believe it is. It's a good segment from UM's scarier days, but quite tragic. Even the police officer interviewed was choked up by the crime. The good thing is that it has been solved quite recently and the killer is behind bars.

I believe it is. It's a good segment from UM's scarier days, but quite tragic. Even the police officer interviewed was choked up by the crime. The good thing is that it has been solved quite recently and the killer is behind bars.

Yes I saw this for the first time on the Farina hosted episodes, and it was scary even on the new UM format believe it or not.

Woman and son terrorized while on a canoe trip

Not familiar with this one...please elaborate.

Not familiar with this one...please elaborate.

It was about a mother and her young son who went on a canoe trip on Memorial Day in Texas. As they were going down a river they encountered these two drunk guys in another canoe who started shouting all sorts of sexual innuendos at them. She tried to leave the area, but one of the guys jumped her. Both men raped her and forced her son to watch. Then they took the woman and her son in their canoe. They forced her to drink alcohol and raped her repeatedly before letting them go.

I don't believe the rapists were ever identified.

The segment aired in 1995 I believe. In my opinion, UM went WAY overboard with their re-enactment in this one by showing the start of the rape and the kid watching. It was just disgusting and horrible to watch. I've only watched it like twice. Not one I revisit often.

Yes I saw this for the first time on the Farina hosted episodes, and it was scary even on the new UM format believe it or not.
Wow! I can't imagine any of those being scary. :lol: I will take your word for it. I hope you were able to see it in good old Stack format eventually.

It was about a mother and her young son who went on a canoe trip on Memorial Day in Texas. As they were going down a river they encountered these two drunk guys in another canoe who started shouting all sorts of sexual innuendos at them. She tried to leave the area, but one of the guys jumped her. Both men raped her and forced her son to watch. Then they took the woman and her son in their canoe. They forced her to drink alcohol and raped her repeatedly before letting them go.

I don't believe the rapists were ever identified.

The segment aired in 1995 I believe. In my opinion, UM went WAY overboard with their re-enactment in this one by showing the start of the rape and the kid watching. It was just disgusting and horrible to watch. I've only watched it like twice. Not one I revisit often.

OMG!!!! I've never seen this one and it sounds brutally scary! Do you know what the people's names were? I want to see if the episode is on the horbidden site.

OMG!!!! I've never seen this one and it sounds brutally scary! Do you know what the people's names were? I want to see if the episode is on the horbidden site.

Unfortunately, I don't remember. I think she may have used an alias and possibly was interviewed in silhouette. I would imagine an actress played the woman in the re-enactment. I remember that she was a private investigator. It occurred, as I said, in Glen Rose Texas on Memorial Day, possibly in 1994.

Going by the episode guide, it looks like it aired on October 27, 1995.

Unfortunately, I don't remember. I think she may have used an alias and possibly was interviewed in silhouette. I would imagine an actress played the woman in the re-enactment. I remember that she was a private investigator. It occurred, as I said, in Glen Rose Texas on Memorial Day, possibly in 1994.

Going by the episode guide, it looks like it aired on October 27, 1995.

She actually was not filmed in silhouette and showed her face openly. She did use (I think) only her first name and wouldn't reveal her son's true name for safety reasons. It was a pretty scary case. The reenactment was TERRIFYING! Very good acting on all parts, but I have to agree it was too graphic. However, UM did want to portray how utterly horrible the attack was, I'm sure, and that created all the more empathy from viewers (well, I'm speaking for myself, but I'm sure I'm not alone on that front). I hope she and her son are having a good life. I think it's just despicable that the man at the boathouse more than likely covered up the assailant's identities. :mad:

Unfortunately, I don't remember. I think she may have used an alias and possibly was interviewed in silhouette. I would imagine an actress played the woman in the re-enactment. I remember that she was a private investigator. It occurred, as I said, in Glen Rose Texas on Memorial Day, possibly in 1994.

Going by the episode guide, it looks like it aired on October 27, 1995.

What was the name of this case? Don't think I've ever seen it.

What was the name of this case? Don't think I've ever seen it.

Brazos River Attackers. I looked on the nameless site and was empty. They never arrested the perps. The victim's name was Theresa. But she did not reveal her last name.

I can NOT watch the Edward Harold Bell story. I have to turn it off ! Even though I have read he is dead, this story is to HORRIFYING !

Kathy Hobbs from Las Vegas. :)

Thank you! Yes, that one. It gave me nightmares for years!

I found some information about this case. If you go to keepitrealteresa.blogspot.com if gives her and her son's name. Also, the site is basically dedicated to accusing her of lying and frauding about numerous things, including the attack shown on UM. Not sure how much is true, as such is the internet, but appparently (according to the blogger) even the police have concluded that Teresa was making the whole thing up. I'm not sure what to think, why anyone would want to make something like that up is beyond me.

I found some information about this case. If you go to keepitrealteresa.blogspot.com if gives her and her son's name. Also, the site is basically dedicated to accusing her of lying and frauding about numerous things, including the attack shown on UM. Not sure how much is true, as such is the internet, but appparently (according to the blogger) even the police have concluded that Teresa was making the whole thing up. I'm not sure what to think, why anyone would want to make something like that up is beyond me.

Wow, that's an amazing find. Your post jogged my memory and I remembered doing some Googling on the case a few years back and finding some info on Kenneth Treuter, the PI she worked with. He was also interviewed in the segment. He's apparently quite an unsavory character. I found an article that quoted someone saying something to the effect of "if Ken Treuter told me the sky was blue, I would go outside and check to be sure".

If I remember correctly, this was another segment that never made it to Lifetime (though it may have been shown as part of the 2001-2002 era new series) and I'm not sure if it has been on the Farina incarnation either. I wonder if her claims are/were so questionable that they pulled the segment.

If I remember correctly, this was another segment that never made it to Lifetime (though it may have been shown as part of the 2001-2002 era new series) and I'm not sure if it has been on the Farina incarnation either. I wonder if her claims are/were so questionable that they pulled the segment.
It did run on Lifetime during the 2001-2002 days. I think was shown several times (not one of the often repeated segments, though) until old UM stopped playing in 2006. The only reason I'm sure of that is because Lifetime UM was my only source of UM until trading days. : ) I was about 12-13 the first time I saw it and thought it was creepy, now that I'm older the subject matter disturbs me all the more.

It was about a mother and her young son who went on a canoe trip on Memorial Day in Texas. As they were going down a river they encountered these two drunk guys in another canoe who started shouting all sorts of sexual innuendos at them. She tried to leave the area, but one of the guys jumped her. Both men raped her and forced her son to watch. Then they took the woman and her son in their canoe. They forced her to drink alcohol and raped her repeatedly before letting them go.

I don't believe the rapists were ever identified.

The segment aired in 1995 I believe. In my opinion, UM went WAY overboard with their re-enactment in this one by showing the start of the rape and the kid watching. It was just disgusting and horrible to watch. I've only watched it like twice. Not one I revisit often.

Jesus Christ! Its for people who do things like that, that the death penalty is made for. I've never seen this episode and quite frankly, I do not want to see this episode.

I've seen that scary canoe trip episode, but it's been ages. Not happy to hear those idiots are still out there. Here are my picks for most disturbing segments:

Blind River rest stop murders
ATV murders
Roxanne and Christopher Jeeves
Angela Hammond
Harper's Ferry corpse in trunk (probably the creepiest due to the morgue picture and composite)
Las Cruces bowling alley masscare
Aimee Willard
Alicia Showalter Reynolds

there's probably more but I can't think of any at the top of my head right now

Wow, that's an amazing find. Your post jogged my memory and I remembered doing some Googling on the case a few years back and finding some info on Kenneth Treuter, the PI she worked with. He was also interviewed in the segment. He's apparently quite an unsavory character. I found an article that quoted someone saying something to the effect of "if Ken Treuter told me the sky was blue, I would go outside and check to be sure".

If I remember correctly, this was another segment that never made it to Lifetime (though it may have been shown as part of the 2001-2002 era new series) and I'm not sure if it has been on the Farina incarnation either. I wonder if her claims are/were so questionable that they pulled the segment.

This is very interesting. I had a friend who once faked cancer and had other dramatic tales that then seemed suspect after that was exposed as a lie.

The list starts and ends with Blind River Rest Stop.

2nd and close to it is the Richard dude that murder his girlfriends family

The list starts and ends with Blind River Rest Stop.

2nd and close to it is the Richard dude that murder his girlfriends family

Richard Church murders the girl's parents. He attacked her and her brother. In the segment I believe it mentioned Colleen having 2 brothers? Never is mentioned of the 2nd one

I havent seen alot of the old cases in years but some that stick in my mind. The one about the girl that was tied to her bed and set on fire was pretty disturbing. Brian Niesenfeld case was very creepy all they end up finding was his washed up foot still in shoe.

For me, the most upsetting are Nyleen Kay Marshall, the Las Cruces bowling alley murders and Edward Howard Bell. I don't know if they ever found Nyleen Kay Marshall, but the cretin who kidnapped her belongs in a jail cell with an unforgiving cellmate.

However, at least with Edward Howard Bell, I feel some sense of justice when they show the woman who chases him out of the house (I can't recall, but I think she started shooting him or attacking him with something). What a coward that guy was. He killed a defenseless man and exposed himself to children, but when the tables were turned, he just ran away.

To some extent, I also found the teenage murderers in Texas story (the ones who robbed cars and guns) to be upsetting. Why would they torture older men and kill a mother in front of a small child? That wasn't being a pair of thieves, that was just being plain evil. I was even more disgusted to hear, at the end of the story, that there would be a day of parole for those two. People have probably gotten the chair for doing less.

For me, the most upsetting are Nyleen Kay Marshall, the Las Cruces bowling alley murders and Edward Howard Bell. I don't know if they ever found Nyleen Kay Marshall, but the cretin who kidnapped her belongs in a jail cell with an unforgiving cellmate.


Sadly, Nyleen was never found. On an even sadder note, her mother was murdered as well years later.

However, at least with Edward Howard Bell, I feel some sense of justice when they show the woman who chases him out of the house (I can't recall, but I think she started shooting him or attacking him with something). What a coward that guy was. He killed a defenseless man and exposed himself to children, but when the tables were turned, he just ran away.

To some extent, I also found the teenage murderers in Texas story (the ones who robbed cars and guns) to be upsetting. Why would they torture older men and kill a mother in front of a small child? That wasn't being a pair of thieves, that was just being plain evil. I was even more disgusted to hear, at the end of the story, that there would be a day of parole for those two. People have probably gotten the chair for doing less.

Seriously, I want to gouge that mans eyes out every time i see him or hear his name. He reiterates my strong support for the death penalty. And those teens who went on that killing spree in texas should have HIV tainted blood injected in their veins and made to die a slow death. When they talked about that man and his son that they tortured, it just made my blood boil. And what they did to that woman is sickening, but I believe her son was very young when it happened. Hopefully he has no memory of the attack...

Sadly, Nyleen was never found. On an even sadder note, her mother was murdered as well years later.

Wow, that makes the case that much more sad.

Richard Church murders the girl's parents. He attacked her and her brother. In the segment I believe it mentioned Colleen having 2 brothers? Never is mentioned of the 2nd one

The second brother was at a sleepover (PERFECT timing and quite lucky).

Wow, that makes the case that much more sad.

What's worse is she herself is an unsolved mystery. She fell victim to what I like to call the "fantástico Mexican goverment".

Seriously, I want to gouge that mans eyes out every time i see him or hear his name. He reiterates my strong support for the death penalty. And those teens who went on that killing spree in texas should have HIV tainted blood injected in their veins and made to die a slow death. When they talked about that man and his son that they tortured, it just made my blood boil. And what they did to that woman is sickening, but I believe her son was very young when it happened. Hopefully he has no memory of the attack...

Co-sign!!!

The one I always forget when these lists come up but what is easily one of the creepiest moments in UM is the segment with Dale Hyde, child assaulter. When his girlfriend comes home to get her things, she finds him sitting on the floor, clutching a pillow and crying. Something about it creeped me the hell out as a child, and my feelings on the matter were validated when my wife saw it: she won't look at it ever again.

The one I always forget when these lists come up but what is easily one of the creepiest moments in UM is the segment with Dale Hyde, child assaulter. When his girlfriend comes home to get her things, she finds him sitting on the floor, clutching a pillow and crying. Something about it creeped me the hell out as a child, and my feelings on the matter were validated when my wife saw it: she won't look at it ever again.

"I-don't know why..." Agreed! Creepy music and convincing acting. I thought that part was even scarier than the sound of the attack.

The one I always forget when these lists come up but what is easily one of the creepiest moments in UM is the segment with Dale Hyde, child assaulter. When his girlfriend comes home to get her things, she finds him sitting on the floor, clutching a pillow and crying. Something about it creeped me the hell out as a child, and my feelings on the matter were validated when my wife saw it: she won't look at it ever again.

I agree. I saw the Dale Hyde segment at a young age (I was probably the same age is the kid he beat, maybe a year older) and it freaked me out BIG TIME. While the part you described was certainly eerie, the part that got me was when the boy cried out "Mom!" I think I was also freaked out by the fact that she took the one kid to the hospital and left the other kid alone with Dale Hyde.

Also, my father sort of resembled Dale Hyde - the actor in the re-enactment, more so than Hyde himself. I think for awhile I was worried my Dad was Dale Hyde.

Agreed on the Dale Hyde story. It's one I can barely watch, because the guy just comes off as so disgusting. UM has had a number of disgusting characters, but he is really slimy. I feel sorry for the woman and her children who went through that.

Another one that upsets me and I can barely watch, and I've already forgotten the name of the guy in the story, is a young man who confronted some classmates (maybe at college) about a scandal (drugs?) and was then beaten to death. I seem to recall he was covered with something and then beaten, with little chance to defend himself. Then law enforcement tried to cover it up and claimed some 911 recording was deleted. It just seemed so sad and so violent. I sort of wish the guy had a firearm or weapon to defend himself, as heaven knows the cops didn't care (at least afterwards). I feel especially sad for the mother.

What's worse is she herself is an unsolved mystery. She fell victim to what I like to call the "fantástico Mexican goverment".

What exactly happened to her mother? I can't find anything online about her.

What exactly happened to her mother? I can't find anything online about her.

I think there were some posts about her death in the main Nyleen Kay Marshall thread "Finding Kay".

From memory, her body was discovered in a model home in Mexico. She had been touring homes there apparently. She was hanged with a man's belt around her neck and there was evidence that she had been raped. The Mexican authorities declared it a suicide and closed the case. I think this happened in 1996.

I remember my jaw literally dropped when I first read about it. I can't even begin to imagine all the anguish her family has gone through losing Nyleen and then having to deal with that.

I think there were some posts about her death in the main Nyleen Kay Marshall thread "Finding Kay".

From memory, her body was discovered in a model home in Mexico. She had been touring homes there apparently. She was hanged with a man's belt around her neck and there was evidence that she had been raped. The Mexican authorities declared it a suicide and closed the case. I think this happened in 1996.

I remember my jaw literally dropped when I first read about it. I can't even begin to imagine all the anguish her family has gone through losing Nyleen and then having to deal with that.

Jesus, that's tragic. What are the odds?

New to the board hello

Some cases that always got me was most definatly the one where the bus driver gets errie feelings behind his place of employment,only to go explore a cave and find a skeleton staring at him, Then the one where a girl and her boyfriend go home (to florida i think) to spend time with her mother.after a while her mother finds her under the bed and she had been murdered by the boyfriend and left there for quite some time. Imagine seeing tht!!! dont remember those case names though.

oh yeah one more from florida, the one where the young woman is murdered in the sugar cane field with a sword, this was supposedly witnessed by a man who was hunting at the time. This one always stood out in my mind also. Anyone know the names of these cases?

Welcome to the board, Karmevil! :wave:

The bus driver case is the story of Gary Simmons. The young woman who was murdered in Florida is Rebecca Young.

Welcome to the board, Karmevil! :wave:

The bus driver case is the story of Gary Simmons. The young woman who was murdered in Florida is Rebecca Young.
Thanks for your welcome!!!!

Huge UM fan and I can't seem to recall the blind river rest stop killings? I'm sure I must have seen it I just must not know it by name.

Also what is the name of the site that's forbidden? ;) I have one in mind I think it could be but I'm not entirely sure, I don't post here too often! If it's really forbidden though you nobody has to say it :p

Most disturbing for me are:

-Definitely Edward Harold Bell, though the fact that MM is in makes it slightly less disturbing for some reason if that makes sense. Probably just cause I can't help picturing him in one of his many romantic comedies :lol:
-Richard Church
-The one with the younger girl who ends up marrying that man way too old for her, and he stalks her and eventually kills her with a knife in the place outside her work and shooting the man she's with
-Tom Johnson case with the hammer/computer sale. Pretty sure I've posted about it before...ugh awful!
-Spontaneous Human Combustion freaked me out as a child!
-One I haven't seen in years, does anyone remember, the one where people were receiving packages in the mail that would fire bullets when opened? Or did I dream this one up?
-Last one - rapist who placed plates on his victims and was never caught

Huge UM fan and I can't seem to recall the blind river rest stop killings? I'm sure I must have seen it I just must not know it by name.

Also what is the name of the site that's forbidden? ;) I have one in mind I think it could be but I'm not entirely sure, I don't post here too often! If it's really forbidden though you nobody has to say it :p

Most disturbing for me are:

-Definitely Edward Harold Bell, though the fact that MM is in makes it slightly less disturbing for some reason if that makes sense. Probably just cause I can't help picturing him in one of his many romantic comedies :lol:
-Richard Church
-The one with the younger girl who ends up marrying that man way too old for her, and he stalks her and eventually kills her with a knife in the place outside her work and shooting the man she's with
-Tom Johnson case with the hammer/computer sale. Pretty sure I've posted about it before...ugh awful!
-Spontaneous Human Combustion freaked me out as a child!
-One I haven't seen in years, does anyone remember, the one where people were receiving packages in the mail that would fire bullets when opened? Or did I dream this one up?
-Last one - rapist who placed plates on his victims and was never caught

Check your PMs. ;)

The Blind River rest stop episode was the story of a couple in Canada who were traveling in their RV and stopped at a rest stop one night to sleep. A man forced his way into their RV and shot them, killing the wife. The killer has never been caught.

I agree with everyone's cases. I thought the Church murder segment was unique in the way it was filmed. almost like a mini movie. this was the case where a man went into a predominantly African American church and killed the Pastor. all that was left behind was a pair of Glasses. I belive it turned out to be a creepy drifter who killed the poor Pastor. :/ (he may have killed more people but I can't remember.)

I agree with everyone's cases. I thought the Church murder segment was unique in the way it was filmed. almost like a mini movie. this was the case where a man went into a predominantly African American church and killed the Pastor. all that was left behind was a pair of Glasses. I belive it turned out to be a creepy drifter who killed the poor Pastor. :/ (he may have killed more people but I can't remember.)

Actually, this is the one UM case that's technically "solved", but it seems VERY likely that the wrong person was imprisoned for the crime. From the sounds of things, this case had one of the worst police investigations in the history of mankind and LE actually accused UM of losing the pair of glasses that Robert Stack held up in the segment!
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=206594

Actually, this is the one UM case that's technically "solved", but it seems VERY likely that the wrong person was imprisoned for the crime. From the sounds of things, this case had one of the worst police investigations in the history of mankind and LE actually accused UM of losing the pair of glasses that Robert Stack held up in the segment!
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=206594

I wish RS was still alive so he could give them a proper stare down and whooping. Idiots.

-Last one - rapist who placed plates on his victims and was never caught

I am not sure if I am familiar with this case. Details?

I am not sure if I am familiar with this case. Details?

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=271096

The EAR/ONS case. Here's the most recent thread- beware, though, creepy content/ composites ahead! ;)

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=271096

The EAR/ONS case. Here's the most recent thread- beware, though, creepy content/ composites ahead! ;)

I thought he was never caught? Ramirez is on Death Row. I'm confused now

I thought he was never caught? Ramirez is on Death Row. I'm confused now

Oh, the ONS is the original night stalker, whose rampage began before that of the L.A. Night Stalker Ramirez. The ONS, was originally the east area rapist (EAR) who terrorized Northern California in the 70s. In the 80s, he moved to Southern California and began not just raping, but killing. DNA conclusively proved the two were one in the same in the late 90s early 2000s. He has never been caught. It might sound confusing to hear "night stalker" and not think Ramirez, but it's a completely different case. I hope that helps!

I didn't know the ONS moved to a different area. very interesting that DNA confirmed that. ugh... I just got a case of the heebie jeebies. :/

Check your PMs. ;)

The Blind River rest stop episode was the story of a couple in Canada who were traveling in their RV and stopped at a rest stop one night to sleep. A man forced his way into their RV and shot them, killing the wife. The killer has never been caught.

COUGHRonaldGlennWestCOUGH

Stephanie Booker (speedboat hit-and-run victim).

L'enfant is the one I watch in the dark each time I want to give myself the chills.

1. NH serial killer
2. Doreen Picard/Susan Laferte
3. "Debbie"

I also agree on Dale Hyde. Art Silva was another disturbing segment in a similar way.

Everyone says the "Debbie" segment is very unnerving but I don't seem to recall what it was about. What was that segment about?

Everyone says the "Debbie" segment is very unnerving but I don't seem to recall what it was about. What was that segment about?

http://www.unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/wan_shotgun_survivor.htm

Poor Debbie. :/ I know it's a morbid question to ask but I wonder if they were able to reconstruct her jaw? does she have to talk with any type of technological aides? the rehabilitation process must've been terrible.

Wait, WHAT? Possible suspect DOB 1975?! That must be a typo. I don't think that the assailant was 15 when he pulled this crime.

Wait, WHAT? Possible suspect DOB 1975?! That must be a typo. I don't think that the assailant was 15 when he pulled this crime.

I noticed that a while back too. My guess is that whomever was entering that information onto the website didn't take into account that this happened in 1990, which would put the assailant's birth year at 1955 IIRC (wasn't he supposed to be around 35 or so?). In any event, pretty lame blunder. :rolleyes:

COUGHRonaldGlennWestCOUGH

West was suspected for a bit but it was not him. That murder is still unsolved.

Ethel Kidd and Oba Chandler are hard to watch. The one with the young girl who was going to testify against her rapist and was then found in the lake was really hard to watch. They taped her mouth and eyes shut and then chained her to cinder blocksand tossed her in the lake while alive.

Her baby was named Shannon and she was never found, either.

Ethel Kidd and Oba Chandler are hard to watch. The one with the young girl who was going to testify against her rapist and was then found in the lake was really hard to watch. They taped her mouth and eyes shut and then chained her to cinder blocksand tossed her in the lake while alive.

Her baby was named Shannon and she was never found, either.

Her killer, Marvin Gabrion, just had his death sentence overturned this summer and now the whole darn thing is going to have to go through the process again, to see if the original sentence will be reinstated or not.

The most disturbing to me:

Blind River Rest Stop

The young man murdered driving from Alaska to college (Phillip Frazier, I think?) The composite of the suspect is especially disturbing to me.

Girl is murdered by the guy she is supposed to testify against. They pulled her body from the lake where she had been drowned. Her daughter is still missing. I can't remember much more details beyond the daughter's name is Shannon.

Greensboro Hit and Run. Again, horrible crime, freaky composite.

Woman in CT driving down a road and shot in the head by random guy.

"49 Huggers" murder. Guy stalks a couple because of their license plate (??) and then kills the man.

Boys on the Tracks

And...when I first saw the "Omar Arsonist" broadcast in the original series run, it gave me nightmares as a kid.

West was suspected for a bit but it was not him. That murder is still unsolved.

Glad you're a psychic.

49 Huggers" murder. Guy stalks a couple because of their license plate (??) and then kills the man

Okay, this may be an unpopular opinion here....but that "49 Hugs" one always bugged me. Let me be clear that it is very sad that a life was lost. However....that guy who was being pursued by some randonm killer had SO MANY opportunities to walk away or drive to a police station or avoid the whole confrontation.

It seemed to be some randon killer out for jollies - I am a Minnesota Vikings fan and yes we like to tease Packer fans, and vise versa - but no one ever hunts anyone down with a gun due to their NFL preference.

Okay, this may be an unpopular opinion here....but that "49 Hugs" one always bugged me. Let me be clear that it is very sad that a life was lost. However....that guy who was being pursued by some randonm killer had SO MANY opportunities to walk away or drive to a police station or avoid the whole confrontation.

It seemed to be some randon killer out for jollies - I am a Minnesota Vikings fan and yes we like to tease Packer fans, and vise versa - but no one ever hunts anyone down with a gun due to their NFL preference.

I don't believe in the license plate theory in that case. I agree with you, I don't see how or why anyone would just kill someone based off of what NFL team they liked. Unless of course it was some sort of divisional playoff game where alcohol was involved, etc. I don't see someone going through these lengths just to kill someone based off of a license plate. Plus, Dick didn't have the license plate, his date "Jean" did so why shoot Dick and then drive by "Jean"? What UM did not mention in the Dick Hansen segment was that he and "Jean" were parked in front of mailboxes when this guy pulled up behind them. Another theory presented at the time of his murder (it's on the web on some news article archive) was that this guy was pissed because Dick and Jean were blocking the mailboxes for an extended period of time and he simply snapped because of it. Then when Dick approached him and cussed him out the man shot him. And believe it or not I think that's exactly what happened. Some psychopath with a short fuse who just so happened to be set off by impatience.

The reason that case bothered me so much is I didn't want to believe it at first. Then, ten years later, I had a crazy guy chase me down a dark road. I called 911 on my phone and the cops got involved. When he was caught, he said that he didn't like my college team and I had a bumper sticker supporting them.

There are some seriously psycho people out there...

Another case I forgot to include in my original post:
The Human Time Bomb. The story and the composite just freaked me out!!!

In regards to that whole 49-er Hugs story, I am wondering if there was a connection to the woman in the story. Were they both unmarried or recently separated? It has been a while since I saw it but I thought there could have been something along those lines.

Ethel Kidd. So sad.

In regards to that whole 49-er Hugs story, I am wondering if there was a connection to the woman in the story. Were they both unmarried or recently separated? It has been a while since I saw it but I thought there could have been something along those lines.

Ethel Kidd. So sad.

Dick was divorced and from what I've read, Jean was single. I for one believe in the license plate theory - there are MAJOR psychos who have roamed the Earth, take for example Tommy DeSimone (portrayed by Joe Pesci in Goodfellas) who would kill anyone for one reason or another. Or Henry Lee Lucas who would drive from state to state, simply killing anyone who he wanted too for no reason.

Mine are:

Patricia Meehan - that self-potrait! :eek:

Boys on the Tracks - when they showed the man in camo skulking around

Cindy James - pretty much the whole segment

Sherry Eyerly - the remote location where she was attacked while delivering the pizzas

Gail Delano - the update that revealed how she flew to a different state and committed suicide

Jessica Keen - when she was being chased through the dark cemetery :eek:

49erhugs is a strange case. It is likely to be one of the more unsolvable murder cases I've ever seen on the show if it is indeed close to being 100% accurate.

I just watched it earlier today. definitely one of the more memorable segments because of the randomness that was portrayed. I find it hard to believe as well, but then again how many of these cases have I found hard to believe only to find out the people were honest victims(ala dorothy donovan which is another disturbing feature). the whole thing with this one is so weird. how did the guy end up there in the first place? was he at the same bar and just was a drunk disgruntled fan? if that were the case I could see it being possible to have played out the way it did. I don't remember the case stating how the guy got behind them in the first place....they just said he was there when they approached their vehicle. as far as sports...yes people take it too far. like the dodgers fans that beat a giants fan nearly to the death. like every crowd you have that small percentage of people who are psychotic and if they are passionate about something it can set them off enough to do something like that. of corse alcohol or drugs would cause them to lose their guilt or inner self that could stop them if they are not under the influence.

this case sort of reminds me of the connecticut woman that was shot by a random driver on a rural road. of corse that remained unsolved as well. I think it is just some extremely drunk or high crazy psychopath that was out to harm innocent people for no particular reason. the only difference with this case is there were other witnesses who could validate the suspect's actions.

how did the guy end up there in the first place? was he at the same bar and just was a drunk disgruntled fan? if that were the case I could see it being possible to have played out the way it did. I don't remember the case stating how the guy got behind them in the first place....they just said he was there when they approached their vehicle. as far as sports...yes people take it too far.

IIRC the man pulled up behind Dick and Jean when they were outside of the bar chatting with one another. I honestly think this guy was a psycho who snapped because they were taking their time chatting with each other, blocking a mailbox he was attempting to use. Something snapped and he decided to follow them. I think when Dick approached the man he told him he was following them because they were blocking the mailbox too long. Hell, for all we know the guy could have pulled up and beeped his horn a couple of times and Dick or Jean could have flipped him the bird and this set him off as well. UM is known for leaving out crucial details and it wouldn't surprise me if this was something that was left out.

Who was the lady from Phoenix who was shot in the head in her own home? While she slept? Her hubby had been super wealthy and left all his money to her and cut his own kids out of the will. UM left that second part out - I believe I saw it on Cold Case Files or Dateline or something similiar.

That one disturbed me as it was so frightening to think that someone could break into my home (undetected), shoot me in the head THEN set off the alarm on the way out.

I believe police though the man's oldest son was respinsible for the hit but could not prove it.

Jeannie Touvrea? I think I spelled it wrong - but you folks will know the correct spelling and details! :)

Who was the lady from Phoenix who was shot in the head in her own home? While she slept? Her hubby had been super wealthy and left all his money to her and cut his own kids out of the will. UM left that second part out - I believe I saw it on Cold Case Files or Dateline or something similiar.

That one disturbed me as it was so frightening to think that someone could break into my home (undetected), shoot me in the head THEN set off the alarm on the way out.

I believe police though the man's oldest son was respinsible for the hit but could not prove it.

Jeannie Touvrea? I think I spelled it wrong - but you folks will know the correct spelling and details! :)

Jeanne Tovrea, I believe. I know they found the actual killer, but never discovered if it really was a hit. They couldn't prove it.

Jeanne Tovrea, I believe. I know they found the actual killer, but never discovered if it really was a hit. They couldn't prove it.

Yes that was her. And the other crime show I saw (City Confidential?) said that her hubby said, in so many words in his will: "My kids are worthless money hungry offspring who have disappointed me. I love my awesome wife!"

Okay, so I paraphrase......but way to pit your kids against each your wife!

Definately the case of Dave Bocks.

It creeps into my mind often...

Mine are:

Patricia Meehan - that self-potrait! :eek:

something about that image perfectly summarizes the mystery in this case. i often wonder what was going through her mind just minutes before she took that picture- just because of the confused look on her face.

something about that image perfectly summarizes the mystery in this case. i often wonder what was going through her mind just minutes before she took that picture- just because of the confused look on her face.

yeah, it's almost like she's looking through something, and that's even creepier!

Okay, this may be an unpopular opinion here....but that "49 Hugs" one always bugged me. Let me be clear that it is very sad that a life was lost. However....that guy who was being pursued by some randonm killer had SO MANY opportunities to walk away or drive to a police station or avoid the whole confrontation.

Agreed, if it went down the way the witness said.

In any case, it seems they are at it again: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Fans-shot-in-Georgia-for-cheering-on-San-Francisco-49ers-011512

The Richard Bocklage episode was pretty disturbing to me. The way Richard came up to his girlfriend's car and shot her three times was so cold-blooded.

And the chilling letter he sent to her parents in Yugoslavia after she was murdered was creepy too.

Definately the case of Dave Bocks.

It creeps into my mind often...

Yay, BritishJustice! Your avatar is the most unintentionally funny moment in Unsolved Mysteries re-enactment history (IMO).

David Bocks- How could they not think this was murder?

Chaim Weiss- The yeshiva boy who was murdered.

Another one was an African American young man named, I think Keith who was found hanging in a tree and the police tried to claim he did it himself and the man's friend contacted the victims mother to tell her something and ended up dead mysteriously too.

Also this is not really a case but has always creeped me out: This man was staying in an apparently haunted hotel room and was sleeping when suddenly he woke up, to find the eyes and lips of a woman on his tv screen which was turned off. I have not seen the episode in over a decade but I still remember it and it scares me and is probably one of the reasons I sleep with the tv on.

Another one was an African American young man named, I think Keith who was found hanging in a tree and the police tried to claim he did it himself and the man's friend contacted the victims mother to tell her something and ended up dead mysteriously too.

Keith Warren... :(

Also this is not really a case but has always creeped me out: This man was staying in an apparently haunted hotel room and was sleeping when suddenly he woke up, to find the eyes and lips of a woman on his tv screen which was turned off. I have not seen the episode in over a decade but I still remember it and it scares me and is probably one of the reasons I sleep with the tv on.

This sounds interesting - any further details, as would like to see it! :crazy:

Yay, BritishJustice! Your avatar is the most unintentionally funny moment in Unsolved Mysteries re-enactment history (IMO).

Apologies - only just saw your post, Steve! :wave:

I think that I've captured the essence of the moment well... :crazy: :D

Oba Chandler. That guy was the sickest of the sick. :mad:

Oba Chandler. That guy was the sickest of the sick. :mad:

On that same note - the girl who was going to testify in a rape trial - she was strapped with cement blocks and tossed into a lake while alive and her toddler daughter was probably killed as well.

On that same note - the girl who was going to testify in a rape trial - she was strapped with cement blocks and tossed into a lake while alive and her toddler daughter was probably killed as well.

Rachel Timmerman

Rachel Timmerman Yes that one was so sad! A lot of people ended up dead who were associated with that rapist guy (alleged).

The lady in Virginia who was killed and tied onto the trunk of a tree was pretty sad, too.

Jeanne Tovrea was sad too. Poor lady gets shot in the head in her own house.

There are a lot of sad cases on this show!!

Some of the most disturbing segments or scenes for me:
Joyce Mcclain murder-Reminds of Drew Sjodin and Katie Poirier

Girl gets whipped by belt by father

Allagash Abductions-The drawing of the aliens putting the device into the guy's chest and him grimacing in pain give me chills everytime I see.
The woman(named Dana or Deena) who is killed by the two teenagers in her trailer house while her son is with her with an ax.
ATV Murders

Nevada Haunting-The scene where the girl sees the apparition of the male ghost and her bed starts flooting and the boy who gets levitated.
Tallmans Ghost-The infamous "bunk bead" haunting. The garage on fire, the kids seeing the witches in their rooms, the smoky apparition telling the father"You're Dead".
Journalists Murder-Body found in bathtub with wrists slashed.
Tara Calico-The one where they show the photo with the black tape over the kids mouth.

Cindy Anderson!
-the premonitions
-the romance novel opened up to the violent scene
-the strange parental commentary:
"she was a very obedient girl...she paid more attention to her face than her stomach, which might have been part of the problem"
-I LOVE YOU CINDY
-I LOVE YOU CINDY - G.W.
-The woman and the two phone calls...the fact she might have kept in the basement of a white house

:eek:

I am new to this site. Which is this "unmentioned website" you are speaking about?

"Unnamed website" = Youtube

"Unnamed website" = Youtube
Thank you for replying.

I just saw the Amazon ads above. I am considering buying some DVDs.

I have to say the woman attacked while canoeing with her son again because it remains so vivid in my mind even though I haven't seen it for years. The reeactment is absolutely horrifying and gritty and goes so far as to show one of the attackers holding her down as one man moves against her with a close up on his face. I think that has to be one of the most violent things UM ever showed.

The Kyra Cook case with the creepy guy getting up to assault her (that was just theory but probably what happened considering someone knocked her out cold).

The young couple having an affair and brutally killed. One of the attackers looked like the devil when he held a knife on the girl and laughed when she was afraid.

I have a really hard time watching the Jefferson/Raver/Fulton cases. That killer was just so brutal and merciless even when they begged him to let them go and offered him whatever he wanted. Glad he's on death row now.

Crystal Spencer's screams.

Tara Calico being followed by a creepy car.

Even if it was some sick joke/cruel hoax, the picture from the Tara Calico segment is very disturbing.

https://www.facebook.com/teresa.c.radke
this possibly could be her??

I have to say the woman attacked while canoeing with her son again because it remains so vivid in my mind even though I haven't seen it for years. The reeactment is absolutely horrifying and gritty and goes so far as to show one of the attackers holding her down as one man moves against her with a close up on his face. I think that has to be one of the most violent things UM ever showed.

The segment was definitely disturbing, but I have my doubts if that even took place.

Yeah me too, i have read the blog about her and she seems loopy and tries to make people feel sorry for her

So if a loopy crazy girl gets raped it's not rape....smh. That may not be what you meant by that. But when girls get raped a lot of them are too scared to report it for these reasons.

I've always felt the key to this one is getting the account of the child. Whether she made it up or not(I lean toward the latter) I've always felt terrible for the child. IIRC he would have been old enough to remember if it happened or not. If it did happen I doubt he would ever want anything to do with revisiting that ordeal. If it was a made up tale and he knew about it I doubt he would want anything to do with his mother. Either way a very sad disturbing situation.

So if a loopy crazy girl gets raped it's not rape....smh. That may not be what you meant by that. But when girls get raped a lot of them are too scared to report it for these reasons.

I've always felt the key to this one is getting the account of the child. Whether she made it up or not(I lean toward the latter) I've always felt terrible for the child. IIRC he would have been old enough to remember if it happened or not. If it did happen I doubt he would ever want anything to do with revisiting that ordeal. If it was a made up tale and he knew about it I doubt he would want anything to do with his mother. Either way a very sad disturbing situation.

I know you meant well when you posted that, but that is not what I meant by my post earlier when I said I had my doubts. If you look up the thread on her case, there are several posters who dug up numerous articles, interviews, etc. that point toward her making this entire story up.

Well I'm just going on what other people have posted about her but in my opinion it always seemed a little strange how she was the only one ever to get attacked, there were no later or previous attacks. Also didn't the guy who operated the canoe rentals say that he didn't recognize anyone matching their description? I may be wrong.. i haven't seen it for a while.

Yes that was her. And the other crime show I saw (City Confidential?) said that her hubby said, in so many words in his will: "My kids are worthless money hungry offspring who have disappointed me. I love my awesome wife!"

Okay, so I paraphrase......but way to pit your kids against each your wife!


You may assume as you wish but the man who sits behind bars for Ms. Tovreas' murder is innocent. This case is still…"not closed," according to the last report by retired Phoenix Detectives.

It would be very difficult to proceed with everyone that confessed, or knew anything about the case being deceased. Except Jeannies estranged daughter, Debbie Nolan-Luster who lives in a half-million dollar estate in New Orleans.

If you would like factual information on this case and the person who sits on death row please check out jamesharrod.net. If you have any questions, ask away. If I can not back it up with evidence then I will not speculate.

As far as the letter…I have a copy and a copy of the court hearings to authenticate the three page letter.

I poise a question to the readers. "IF" Ed Tovrea Sr. really trusted and loved his wife why do you think he would set her up for harm to come to her???

Just asking…..any one with knowledge care to repsond?

Jeanne Tovrea, I believe. I know they found the actual killer, but never discovered if it really was a hit. They couldn't prove it.


You KNOW they found the "actual killer?" Really?? And I assume you must have in some way worked on this case. Were you a Detective, an Attorney or actually knew in person the man they claim is the "actual killer?"

If so, please enlighten all of us. If you did not work on this case then I ASSUME you have factual information of your own, not a newspaper article, that can back up your statement.

I would love to see that information, if you have it. For real facts and further information on the person who sits on death row for a crime he did not commit, you can visit the site is jamesharrod.net

Peace

You KNOW they found the "actual killer?" Really?? And I assume you must have in some way worked on this case. Were you a Detective, an Attorney or actually knew in person the man they claim is the "actual killer?"

If so, please enlighten all of us. If you did not work on this case then I ASSUME you have factual information of your own, not a newspaper article, that can back up your statement.

I would love to see that information, if you have it. For real facts and further information on the person who sits on death row for a crime he did not commit, you can visit the site is jamesharrod.net

Peace

No offense (or even opinion about his guilt or innocence) intended on that rather old post of mine, truthseeker. I believe my intention was to show that someone was convicted of being the trigger man (but not of orchestrating a hit), which is why I used the word "actual." My apologies.

No offense (or even opinion about his guilt or innocence) intended on that rather old post of mine, truthseeker. I believe my intention was to show that someone was convicted of being the trigger man (but not of orchestrating a hit), which is why I used the word "actual." My apologies.

WishfulDreamer,

Yes, it was an old post but I was trying to ascertain where you got your information. I know it's rather late in response but I did not have net access for many years in my rural area.

As a former reporter and sister of James Harrod I have always printed and spoke the truth, especially when it comes to life and death.

Still curious where you "read?" the information that you posted many years ago. If it was the New Times, Paul Rubin was a poor journalist, at best. He was more an unpaid investigator for the Phoenix Police as shown by his actions.

Too bad his "opinions" were never fact and the facts were never printed. I do thank you for the apology. I am just trying to set all things straight in the hope that SOMEONE will finally come forth with relevant information to help set my brother free.

All I ask from the readers is to visit his web site, read and become informed so they do get some balance to this "story."

jamesharrod.net

Peace

Disturbing segments for me include the Joe Shepard story. I first saw the segment at age 13, and then, and even now, at age 37, it is disturbing. Not only his crimes, but also the re-enactments and the pictures of Joe Shepard. Strangely enough, the grainy, black and white photo of Cathy Clowers is the most creepy, and disturbing. I think this was very effective Unsolved Mysteries, to be disturbing to a viewer. A far cry from the fertility statues segment or the Mann family haunting in Florida (snails sacrificed and frisky wife overpowering large husband) of years later, which could fall more under comic relief than disturbing or scary.

Also...

-The bunk bed segment from October 1988. Creeped me out at ages 8, 24 and 37! Not much explanation on why that segment is disturbing.
-The Casie Nicole segment. Just the ship being seen off in the distance by the sole survivor, and his being out there alone, followed by the calls to the family with "I bringing him home."
-Tallman ghost story. The ghosts looking out from inside when the kid runs outside still gives me the creeps.
-Keith Reinhard/Tom Young. Just a very effective disappearance segment.
-David Stone in New Mexico. The creepy music, plus the weird message he left behind. I once drove on New Mexico Route 80, retracing where Stone had driven, and just the highway, being so remote, was creepy.
-The Stanley Grezyc (SIC) story from Rome, NY. The pan across the liquor license, for some reason, was most scary.
-And finally, a segment I long ago forgot the name of, but the 1990s segment where a young man tells on some drug dealers or troublemakers, who then come in and beat him to death with I think baseball bats. Then the mother is trying to find her son's killers, while the police are either covering something up or are inept. Just sad, but disturbing not because it is creepy, but just the brutality of the crime and the assailants.

-The Stanley Grezyc (SIC) story from Rome, NY. The pan across the liquor license, for some reason, was most scary.

I feel the same way. I have no idea why it's so creepy, but it is. The music selection has a lot to do with it, I think.

I feel the same way. I have no idea why it's so creepy, but it is. The music selection has a lot to do with it, I think.

I need to rewatch. Is it like Elizabeth Campbell's purse? That always scared the crap out of me. Which I never understood. It was just a purse! Why did it freak me out?

That Mexican lady mug shot who stole all the judges money she looks like the devil herself.

I need to rewatch. Is it like Elizabeth Campbell's purse? That always scared the crap out of me. Which I never understood. It was just a purse! Why did it freak me out?

The brilliance of the UM background music. You set that music to a picture of puppies and you're going to have an uneasy feeling.

http://www.puppiesinflorida.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Puppies_for_sale_in_florida.jpg

The brilliance of the UM background music. You set that music to a picture of puppies and you're going to have an uneasy feeling.

http://www.puppiesinflorida.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Puppies_for_sale_in_florida.jpg

LOL. I think that's fair to say.

Is it okay if I do NOT try that experiment when I get home? I really like puppies. I'd like to keep it that way. :)

LOL. I think that's fair to say.

Is it okay if I do NOT try that experiment when I get home? I really like puppies. I'd like to keep it that way. :)

I love them too.

But it just goes to show you how epic that music truly was. Think of all the times we mentioned past updates with creepy music that technically didn't involve creepy subject matter. They stuck with us because we couldn't get that music out of our heads. :eek:

And finally, a segment I long ago forgot the name of, but the 1990s segment where a young man tells on some drug dealers or troublemakers, who then come in and beat him to death with I think baseball bats. Then the mother is trying to find her son's killers, while the police are either covering something up or are inept. Just sad, but disturbing not because it is creepy, but just the brutality of the crime and the assailants.

Tommy Burkett?

:)

I've been watching the series on Amazon Prime and of course I always end up watching it at night so I'm super-creeped out before I go to bed. Some of the ones I forgot all about that freaked me out:

- The West Virginia DJ that started getting threatening calls after he began reporting on UFO sightings. The one call they played from the man that claimed the government sickened his son with some type of virus and warned him not to pursue things or he and his family would be harmed, that was really eerie.

- The Ohio Prostitute Killer. We don't know if he was ever caught, imprisoned for another crime, or dead. And the composites of some of the victims and shots of the lone truck on the highway are just plain scary.

- Son of Sam. More scary composites and the whole Satanic cult in the park angle (which is probably the most believable Satanic Panic story the show's featured) combined with the music and reenactments make this one of their most disturbing segments.

- Cindy James. Hands down, one of the scariest cases they've ever covered.

-Beverly McGowan. We can get frightened by that composite of "Sam," but the scariest part is that a woman was brutally mutilated for under $1000.

- The ATV murders. Despite all the controversy surrounding Frank Casteel's conviction, it's still chilling three men were murdered in cold blood doing something they enjoyed for one of the pettiest motives available.

That Mexican lady mug shot who stole all the judges money she looks like the devil herself.

The brilliance of the UM background music. You set that music to a picture of puppies and you're going to have an uneasy feeling.

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agreed

Music from UM could make Teletubbies or The Wiggles seem scary.

Regarding the UM music, I couldn't agree more. I think of the Phillip Innis Frazier story. That whole segment had a creepy aura to it, but at the end, when they show the killer's composite and the menacing music starts, it is creepy.

Another spot where creepy music comes to mind in UM is during the Bob Dozier/John Russell case. Maybe 1/3 of the way through the segment, they show a picture of the boat and this creepy UM music, that has been used in other segments (almost like it has a light synthesizer sound on it).

And with all due reverence to the late Dennis Farina and the work he did on UM, the later re-made episodes of the late 2000s/2010s just pale in comparison to the creepiness of UM in the 1980s/1990s in terms of graphics and music. The 80s/90s episodes had a minimalism on screen mixed with just the right music, even when it came to the titles at the bottom of the screen. The 2000s/2010s episodes had those psychedelic effects on screen and those downright dumb sounding sound effects when someone's name came out on the bottom of the screen. Why anyone at any network messed with the original UMs is beyond me. Less is more!

Regarding the UM music, I couldn't agree more. I think of the Phillip Innis Frazier story. That whole segment had a creepy aura to it, but at the end, when they show the killer's composite and the menacing music starts, it is creepy.

Another spot where creepy music comes to mind in UM is during the Bob Dozier/John Russell case. Maybe 1/3 of the way through the segment, they show a picture of the boat and this creepy UM music, that has been used in other segments (almost like it has a light synthesizer sound on it).

And with all due reverence to the late Dennis Farina and the work he did on UM, the later re-made episodes of the late 2000s/2010s just pale in comparison to the creepiness of UM in the 1980s/1990s in terms of graphics and music. The 80s/90s episodes had a minimalism on screen mixed with just the right music, even when it came to the titles at the bottom of the screen. The 2000s/2010s episodes had those psychedelic effects on screen and those downright dumb sounding sound effects when someone's name came out on the bottom of the screen. Why anyone at any network messed with the original UMs is beyond me. Less is more!

I totally agree, but I will admit that I liked the use of Google Earth. I thought that was cool.

The brilliance of the UM background music. You set that music to a picture of puppies and you're going to have an uneasy feeling.

http://www.puppiesinflorida.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Puppies_for_sale_in_florida.jpg
yeah that's a great way to describe it. So many eerie segments they used that calming approach and then go right to it. Like the opening of blind river seg.

I've been watching the series on Amazon Prime and of course I always end up watching it at night so I'm super-creeped out before I go to bed. Some of the ones I forgot all about that freaked me out:

- The West Virginia DJ that started getting threatening calls after he began reporting on UFO sightings. The one call they played from the man that claimed the government sickened his son with some type of virus and warned him not to pursue things or he and his family would be harmed, that was really eerie.

- The Ohio Prostitute Killer. We don't know if he was ever caught, imprisoned for another crime, or dead. And the composites of some of the victims and shots of the lone truck on the highway are just plain scary.

- Son of Sam. More scary composites and the whole Satanic cult in the park angle (which is probably the most believable Satanic Panic story the show's featured) combined with the music and reenactments make this one of their most disturbing segments.

- Cindy James. Hands down, one of the scariest cases they've ever covered.

-Beverly McGowan. We can get frightened by that composite of "Sam," but the scariest part is that a woman was brutally mutilated for under $1000.

- The ATV murders. Despite all the controversy surrounding Frank Casteel's conviction, it's still chilling three men were murdered in cold blood doing something they enjoyed for one of the pettiest motives available.

Those are all creepy. Atv murders is really unique. The Ohio truck killer has a wide variety of scary music.

The ones I always remember is the IH 70 killer/Neil Jennings(Odessa Texas murder) Debbie/and NH serial killer. They all have the same music. Some have the crazy drum beating that start with like a weird heartbeat sequence and haunting noises. In the Debbie segment they use it while he's yelling "you ain't going nowhere"

Then there's the creepy piano/synthesizer playing in the Doreen Picard and queen Mary segments. Also blind river.

Regarding the UM music, I couldn't agree more. I think of the Phillip Innis Frazier story. That whole segment had a creepy aura to it, but at the end, when they show the killer's composite and the menacing music starts, it is creepy.

Another spot where creepy music comes to mind in UM is during the Bob Dozier/John Russell case. Maybe 1/3 of the way through the segment, they show a picture of the boat and this creepy UM music, that has been used in other segments (almost like it has a light synthesizer sound on it).

And with all due reverence to the late Dennis Farina and the work he did on UM, the later re-made episodes of the late 2000s/2010s just pale in comparison to the creepiness of UM in the 1980s/1990s in terms of graphics and music. The 80s/90s episodes had a minimalism on screen mixed with just the right music, even when it came to the titles at the bottom of the screen. The 2000s/2010s episodes had those psychedelic effects on screen and those downright dumb sounding sound effects when someone's name came out on the bottom of the screen. Why anyone at any network messed with the original UMs is beyond me. Less is more!

^^Macbeth, is there something I can help you with? I want to believe that you're just having trouble with the message board system. I've sent you a PM to this effect, but is there any way I can help?

Please. For my sanity.

^^Macbeth, is there something I can help you with? I want to believe that you're just having trouble with the message board system. I've sent you a PM to this effect, but is there any way I can help?

Please. For my sanity.

I would pay a lot of money for an autograph photo of Macbeth. How much will it cost me Macbeth?

On the topic of creepy music on UM, another segment that comes to mind is Gail Delano. They used a music bed that starts out somewhat pleasant, but part way through, the mood of the music bed just goes negative. Very effective, especially for a segment that doesn't have a happy ending. And I feel like I've heard this music bed in another UM segment and it was also effective in that one.

Alternately, during the Joe Shepard case, an otherwise disturbing segment, they used a theme that seemed completely out of place, and was almost unintentionally funny. When all the searchers start out from the road to search for the missing girl, the music bed sounds too upbeat for a sad story. It is the theme with the harmonica (I think harmonica) sound right off the bat. A rare time a music bed on UM didn't seem to be in the right spot. But I digress...

The Tatum House segment still gets me every time. It's weird. Even though most of the "supernatural" occurrences were relatively minor compared to some of the other ghost segments, that shot of the man walking by the doorway still gives me the creeps. Because I would freak out if that ever happened to me. Just the way it was shot to the overall believability of the Tatum's always was one of the more "underrated" terrifying segments for me.

I noticed the rather odd (ish) kind of hopeless type music they played in the Clarence Roberts segment when Geneva keeps getting denied the money and is forced to work in a restaurant. It kind of creeps me out.

I would pay a lot of money for an autograph photo of Macbeth. How much will it cost me Macbeth?
Name your price.

Name your price.

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I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but the Allagash abductions with the creepy music playing with the alien sketches.

Lmaooooo byee

I actually got very creeped out by a couple of the Amazon updates. Maybe it's the music they used, but I found this one in particular very unsettling.

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God, that narration makes is so much more creepy.

There have been a number of UM cases that have disturbed me over the years, but a few have definitely impacted me more than usual.
The Patsy Wright murder scared the hell out of me when I was a kid. My poor parents had a hell of a time getting me to take any cough medicine when needed for years after I saw that segment. In fact, my mom put her foot down during this time and informed me that I was “grounded" from watching UM ever again. We had words about that one, lol.
The Matthew Chase murder is the reason why I won't even use the drive-thru ATMs at night anymore.
For some reason, the Brian Foguth murder always got to me. No idea what that's all about.
The Mike Emert and David Merrifield murders bothered me for years and I was glad to see that both cases were eventually solved. Well...kind of. I know the Emert case was solved, and heard rumors that the Merrifield case was considered “closed” by LE, but nothing more concrete. I would love if some fellow posters could fill in some of the blanks on the Merrifield situation.
I'm sure that there have been many more over the years, but those are just a few that came to mind.

Dave Bocks. Dear God, Dave Bocks

I haven't found many of the segments on Amazon Prime to be too scary. I'm about a quarter into Season 6. Maybe I just don't scare easily anymore.

I haven't found many of the segments on Amazon Prime to be too scary. I'm about a quarter into Season 6. Maybe I just don't scare easily anymore.

Actually, you may be on to something Alistair. I've noticed that of those UM cases I found to be most disturbing, they were segments that I first watched as a child, and they were all segments that had been narrated by Robert Stack, may he rest in peace. I swear when we found out that Stack had passed, I declared it to be a national day of mourning in my house, lol! Nothing against the other fine talents who took a turn with the show, but there was just something about Robert Stack IMO. He had a superb talent for narration on UM, and I always felt he could make something as benign as who ate the last of the ice cream sound like a hair raising mystery.

Now it's possible that I'm slightly biased here, but I've always felt that Keith Morrison would have done a great job as Stack's successor. That man can also tell a hell of a story! Thank God for Dateline...

Phillip Fraser

Chaim Weiss

And as cheesy as it is, the l'efant Bashir segment. The phone calls, and the fact they called him in a mental institute creeped me out as a kid.

I just added this to my most disturbing UM segment list because after years of ignoring this segment, I just watched both parts of the Son of Sam story. I'm diligently watching every UM segment on Amazon, even if I overlooked some of these segments over the last 29 years.

Part 2 of the Son of Sam case is especially creepy. Just the re-enactments of the Satanic worship, including the two men hiding out and watching this from a distance in 1987. Somehow the matter-of-fact responses from the Queens District Attorney at the time, John Santucci (I think that's his name) adds to the creepiness. Sorry, but in the era of CGI and special effects, simplicity just made the original UMs sizzle in scariness! And I'm a 37-year-old saying this; I can't imagine how a segment like this would have kept me awake 15, 20 or 25 years ago.

Also, perhaps this isn't the right thread for this, but I do find a disturbing quality to the William L. Toomey segment, mostly when they show his composite sketch. I just saw his composite on another thread, and while that segment may not have the creepiness of Son of Sam or the Haunted Bunk Bed segments and is more sad, that composite just gives me the creeps.

A lot of people have mentioned the Harpers Ferry morgue photo being super creepy, but is it really as bad as people say? I've seen morgue photos in the past, and they're not fun to look at, but I can deal with hit. Is there something about that particular photo that makes it so much worse?

Really, I'm trying to find out what I'm getting myself into before I accidentally watch this segment while I'm eating or 30 minutes before bed.

Watched the segment about the St James Hotel when it originally aired as a kid......that goofy looking toddler sitting at the bar w/the creepy smile - that gave me nightmares for about a week lol

Anymore though? The Signal Mountain Murders. You have that one investigator talking about how long he's been in the business and how disturbing the whole thing is, then the reenactment showing the killer going after the three guys and firing the shotgun.

A runner up is the Los Cruces Bowing Alley attack. The reenactment doesn't show anyone firing a gun, but given the somewhat detailed description of the situation and then what happened, when you hear the gunshots, it's frighteningly easy to visualize in your head.

A runner up is the Los Cruces Bowing Alley attack. The reenactment doesn't show anyone firing a gun, but given the somewhat detailed description of the situation and then what happened, when you hear the gunshots, it's frighteningly easy to visualize in your head.

That one makes my blood boil. Talk about completely senseless. Shooting 7 people multiple times each (including 2 toddlers way too young to ever possibly identify you) over a measly 4 grand is the most extreme case of overkill ever featured on UM. I’m as liberal as they come, but if the killers were ever caught in this case, I’d volunteer to give them “the shot” myself.

The most disturbing to me:

Blind River Rest Stop

The young man murdered driving from Alaska to college (Phillip Frazier, I think?) The composite of the suspect is especially disturbing to me.



Philip Fraser, and yes, the composite is among the scariest police sketches on UM.

Add in the Swedish Hitchhikers, another tragic case, except this time it was the hitchhikers that got killed. Mark Hanson tried to warn them, but hitchhiking in the US is still a bad idea. Not everyone out there is like Mark Hanson and his fellow truckers.

The music in the "Debbie" segment really scares me (when the kidnapper is watching her from the store)!!

I usually don't pay a lot of attention to the ghost stories, but I found the Black Hope Cemetery segment to be extremely disturbing. Because nothing those people did to try to stave it off worked and there were several tragic deaths.

Mine are:

Patricia Meehan - that self-potrait! :eek:

Boys on the Tracks - when they showed the man in camo skulking around

Cindy James - pretty much the whole segment

Sherry Eyerly - the remote location where she was attacked while delivering the pizzas

Gail Delano - the update that revealed how she flew to a different state and committed suicide

Jessica Keen - when she was being chased through the dark cemetery :eek:

Gail Delano was so disturbing. I know she wanted love and a father figure for her boys, but I'm pretty sure they'd rather have their mother alive.

I've been watching the series on Amazon Prime and of course I always end up watching it at night so I'm super-creeped out before I go to bed. Some of the ones I forgot all about that freaked me out:

- The West Virginia DJ that started getting threatening calls after he began reporting on UFO sightings. The one call they played from the man that claimed the government sickened his son with some type of virus and warned him not to pursue things or he and his family would be harmed, that was really eerie.

- The Ohio Prostitute Killer. We don't know if he was ever caught, imprisoned for another crime, or dead. And the composites of some of the victims and shots of the lone truck on the highway are just plain scary.

- Son of Sam. More scary composites and the whole Satanic cult in the park angle (which is probably the most believable Satanic Panic story the show's featured) combined with the music and reenactments make this one of their most disturbing segments.

- Cindy James. Hands down, one of the scariest cases they've ever covered.

-Beverly McGowan. We can get frightened by that composite of "Sam," but the scariest part is that a woman was brutally mutilated for under $1000.

- The ATV murders. Despite all the controversy surrounding Frank Casteel's conviction, it's still chilling three men were murdered in cold blood doing something they enjoyed for one of the pettiest motives available.

All of these are scary. Cindy James is disturbing because you don't know if it was her mental illness, someone terrorizing her to death, or both.

1000% right on Beverly McGowan, and I say this as an avowed hater of the "Sam" composite. Even though, in the thread on "Beverly McGowan and Elaine Parent," other posters have pointed out that it was Beverly's identity that was Elaine Parent's real objective, the horrifying fact is that Beverly was indeed murdered so brutally for a measly $1000. Elaine Parent herself is disturbing as hell, and a coward for committing suicide. Also, since they do think there really was an accomplice to the murder, "Sam" is still out there and has never been caught, although the recent documentary on Parent apparently says that police are close to making an arrest.

The random ones always make you uneasy. The woman getting raped and left for dead who stopped off for a drink at a rest area after going to a carnival. She's 8 months pregnant. The guy just shows up and attacks her. I know that a simple decision she could have made would be to either drive home or drive to a gas station that is somewhat populated, but just the thought of stopping for a minute at a rest area and nearly being murdered would just give me nightmares.

Another one, the Blind River Killer. Again, a rest area. An older couple in an RV stopping for the night and the guy ends up killing his wife and nearly killing him. Also kills someone who was in the wrong place at the wrong time wanting to help.

The random ones always make you uneasy. The woman getting raped and left for dead who stopped off for a drink at a rest area after going to a carnival. She's 8 months pregnant. The guy just shows up and attacks her. I know that a simple decision she could have made would be to either drive home or drive to a gas station that is somewhat populated, but just the thought of stopping for a minute at a rest area and nearly being murdered would just give me nightmares.

Another one, the Blind River Killer. Again, a rest area. An older couple in an RV stopping for the night and the guy ends up killing his wife and nearly killing him. Also kills someone who was in the wrong place at the wrong time wanting to help.

I've stopped at some rest areas that were deserted at night in poor weather and the various UM segments involving them always came to mind.

I've stopped at some rest areas that were deserted at night in poor weather and the various UM segments involving them always came to mind.

I remember stopping at rest stops in winter, of course I was not alone, and am grateful I never saw the Blind River segment during that time.

I've stopped at some rest areas that were deserted at night in poor weather and the various UM segments involving them always came to mind.

I once travelled with a couple of family members once going to a funeral of all things and we pulled sort of an all-nighter to get there, but did a quick stop for a rest. It is the middle of the night, and I have one person who is dead set against stopping at a rest area for the reasons you would think and another person who is against stopping at a truck stop because the lights would be too bright for him to sleep. I finally decided on the rest area, which was dark and right off the highway. I slept, but the person who was terrified of the rest area didn't sleep a wink the whole time.

Of all the segments the one that disturbed me the most was the rape and murder of Rachel Timmerman and her baby daughter, by Marvin Gabrion. We still don't know what he did with the baby, but based on what he did to her mother...yeah I don't even wanna imagine. Of the many cases that were featured on the show, this was the case that almost made me stop binge watching the show on youtube, it genuinely messed me up.
Sometimes I wonder if some of these gruesome cases ever got to Robert Stack, or the people working on the show.

I just added this to my most disturbing UM segment list because after years of ignoring this segment, I just watched both parts of the Son of Sam story. I'm diligently watching every UM segment on Amazon, even if I overlooked some of these segments over the last 29 years.

Part 2 of the Son of Sam case is especially creepy. Just the re-enactments of the Satanic worship, including the two men hiding out and watching this from a distance in 1987. Somehow the matter-of-fact responses from the Queens District Attorney at the time, John Santucci (I think that's his name) adds to the creepiness. Sorry, but in the era of CGI and special effects, simplicity just made the original UMs sizzle in scariness! And I'm a 37-year-old saying this; I can't imagine how a segment like this would have kept me awake 15, 20 or 25 years ago.

Also, perhaps this isn't the right thread for this, but I do find a disturbing quality to the William L. Toomey segment, mostly when they show his composite sketch. I just saw his composite on another thread, and while that segment may not have the creepiness of Son of Sam or the Haunted Bunk Bed segments and is more sad, that composite just gives me the creeps.

I'm re-watching the FilmRise versions with the updates. Son of Sam was definitely frightening the first time, and I just saw Part 1. Ugh, even creepier.

I'm re-watching the FilmRise versions with the updates. Son of Sam was definitely frightening the first time, and I just saw Part 1. Ugh, even creepier.

I am not saying it is easy to find forgiveness for a killer, but if there was ever a person who is a convicted killer that did some terrible things but has at least done good things while he has been in prison it would be David Berkowitz. Became a born again Christian, says he prays all of the time for the families of his victims, has a prison ministry and knows full well that he will never get out of prison, nor does he think he should. He apparently never goes to his parole hearings just out of mere respect. Yeah he did some bad things with his demons, he owns it, but he has helped plenty of broken men in prison by the looks of it. It is refreshing to hear stuff like this once in a while.

The episode where the Sea Lions were in the marina, and had come to be very friendly towards the locals. One of the sea lions was discovered with a bullet in him. Apparently, the people tried to take it to a vet, but it died of it's wounds a few days later.

The second sea lion was given food (fish?) that was attached to explosives. The second sea lion took the fish from the person, and was blown up shortly after. It was just so hearless and antisocial. Also, there is the fact that people who commit these type of crimes often graduate to harming people (usually women and children).

At any rate, I had read that the person(s) who fed the one Sea Lion explosives, was caught, and charged. They pretty much were given a slap on the wrist (I'm not even sure if they did any jail time). This really disgusted me.

I am not saying it is easy to find forgiveness for a killer, but if there was ever a person who is a convicted killer that did some terrible things but has at least done good things while he has been in prison it would be David Berkowitz. Became a born again Christian, says he prays all of the time for the families of his victims, has a prison ministry and knows full well that he will never get out of prison, nor does he think he should. He apparently never goes to his parole hearings just out of mere respect. Yeah he did some bad things with his demons, he owns it, but he has helped plenty of broken men in prison by the looks of it. It is refreshing to hear stuff like this once in a while.

I have read accounts from prisoners who did time with him that this is all an act. I wish I could point you to sources, but it's been years and I honestly don't recall much beyond this, and that I read more than one person's account. I certainly hope it's not true, and the fact that he does not feel he should be released would certainly allude to that (although successfully faking a conversion could certainly gain many favors from staff on the inside as well).

The episode where the Sea Lions were in the marina, and had come to be very friendly towards the locals. One of the sea lions was discovered with a bullet in him. Apparently, the people tried to take it to a vet, but it died of it's wounds a few days later.

The second sea lion was given food (fish?) that was attached to explosives. The second sea lion took the fish from the person, and was blown up shortly after. It was just so hearless and antisocial. Also, there is the fact that people who commit these type of crimes often graduate to harming people (usually women and children).

At any rate, I had read that the person(s) who fed the one Sea Lion explosives, was caught, and charged. They pretty much were given a slap on the wrist (I'm not even sure if they did any jail time). This really disgusted me.

This happened in my hometown. I'm happy to report that repeat incidents in the area haven't happened, to my knowledge, and that the sea lions have been thriving last I heard. But after the events of the episode, I haven't heard about people getting close to them in the same way (feeding them fish directly, etc.).

This happened in my hometown. I'm happy to report that repeat incidents in the area haven't happened, to my knowledge, and that the sea lions have been thriving last I heard. But after the events of the episode, I haven't heard about people getting close to them in the same way (feeding them fish directly, etc.).

I just read an article about this. The two men responsible for the death of Bobo, were tried and convicted. The one man who fed Bobo the fish laden explosives received the maximum penalty under law -the max fine and a year in jail. The accomplice received fines, and probation.

The two are the main suspect in the shooting death of Bruno. A co-worker was present, but did not partake in the murder of the sea lions kept quiet for months, but had a change of heart, and went to the authorities after the UM episode aired.

The guy who killed the Sea Lion would have definitely been put in protective custody for his own safety. Killing a defenseless animal would have marked him for jailhouse beatings (or worse). The community was also outraged.

I have read accounts from prisoners who did time with him that this is all an act. I wish I could point you to sources, but it's been years and I honestly don't recall much beyond this, and that I read more than one person's account. I certainly hope it's not true, and the fact that he does not feel he should be released would certainly allude to that (although successfully faking a conversion could certainly gain many favors from staff on the inside as well).

Yeah I didn't want to derail the thread's subject, but I got the same impression reading that post. I highly doubt a guy who's crimes brought him so much notoriety, to the point that he tried to capitalize on them, and rules named after him had to be made to prevent that, has any remorse.
And even if he does, I certainly don't really care about his feelings of guilt, remorse, whatever. His victims certainly don't get that choice, and the world would've been a better place had he chosen not to do harm.

I have read accounts from prisoners who did time with him that this is all an act. I wish I could point you to sources, but it's been years and I honestly don't recall much beyond this, and that I read more than one person's account. I certainly hope it's not true, and the fact that he does not feel he should be released would certainly allude to that (although successfully faking a conversion could certainly gain many favors from staff on the inside as well).

Someone who has the opportunity to get out in 5 years instead of 10 I can see doing this from a practical standpoint if they are not genuine. Berkowitz will never see the light of day, and knows this. I tend to believe someone a bit more when they are doing 6 life sentences and know they can't get out. I know the world is a stage and such, but over the years I have seen many things about him for me to think it is not an act. That's my thought, hope, either way.