The lines he was given to say about how he'd be a loser when he grows up. The lines weren't in those exact words but for example: There was an episode when Willis and Charlene was having relationship problems, and Arnold seemed to be enjoying the quarrel, Drummond walks in to break up the argument... he sends Arnold to his room, then Arnold replies: "Aww, man... I'm a grow up stupid. When I am married with my wife on our Honeymoon, my wife will say to me: "Arnold, would you mind leaving the room please?"

Through out the entire DS series Gary is the only one given lines about him being a loser in the future (not said to that effect of course.)

Not to mention the times when Arnold would strike out with a girl and he would be depressed and has a talk with Mr. Drummond and then Arnold would say: "I should shave my hair bald and become a monk."

Another example is the Smoker's Delight episode, when Dudley sits on the couch with Arnold explaining to him how he would be a lost pathetic soul, wandering the halls at school with no friends, and banging his head against the locker, although Dudley was refering to Arnold's Junior High School future if he didn't smoke, it was still a "cursed future" of loneliness directed at Gary's character which became a reality for his true person in the "now" future.

Every time Arnold pities himself (which is usually over some girl he likes but doesn't like him) he always rambles on and on about a "cursed future" of being lonely and womenless to which the audience laughed at the "cursed lines" that was given to Gary to recite over and over not realizing that these lines was cursing his real future. It's something to ponder on.

Gary cursed himself by not embracing DS, his fans and the opportunities DS can give him. He spat on all that and now is so bitter.

Gary cursed himself by not embracing DS, his fans and the opportunities DS can give him. He spat on all that and now is so bitter.


That is true. He could be making a nice living right now on the retro circuit, attending fan conventions, making cameos on other shows, doing more DVD movies. But his ATTITUDE about life and people is the only thing keeping him down.

That is true. He could be making a nice living right now on the retro circuit, attending fan conventions, making cameos on other shows, doing more DVD movies. But his ATTITUDE about life and people is the only thing keeping him down.
You know that old saying that celebs don't mind being asked for autographs or being recognized in public...

"It's when they stop asking for autographs or no longer recognize you THAT is the time to start worrying."

Well Gary should remember it is best to be remembered for something good rather than be remembered for something horrible.

I don't really see why Gary is broke, if you go to imdb you can see that he's been working constantly. What in the world is he doing with his money???? I know that they are only bit parts but he’s still making more than any of us.

He must have debts. Credit card debts and medical debts. He had to sell a pair of used pants on ebay to help cover some medical costs.

Didn't he win some kind of judgment against his parents for the mishandling of his earnings from DS? Don't they have to pay him back anything?

They must have a long time ago. But it was nothing close to what he actually earned while doing DS. Judgments don't have to be paid back in one lump sum. It can be done over a period of time. Even years.

They must have a long time ago. But it was nothing close to what he actually earned while doing DS. Judgments don't have to be paid back in one lump sum. It can be done over a period of time. Even years.

Yeah it'll probably be a long time before he sees all of his money.

Gary cursed himself by not embracing DS, his fans and the opportunities DS can give him. He spat on all that and now is so bitter.

Words are very powerful, especially when they are recited and you put yourself into a different role/mindset to say the same negative lines about a lonely future over and over and as a result being lonely became a reality.

Look at Todd Bridges, the DS lines cursed him. The episodes about Willis in the later seasons had him dabbling with drugs, alcohol, guns, and gangs... Todd wasn't doing drugs prior to these Very Special Episodes involving his Willis character.

Dana Plato was also cursed, and you already know which episodes stood out in her getting cursed.

Not many people would take curses seriously because it seems like foolishness to them, but people who are into acting which involves visualization and becoming "one" with their character can curse their future person. And they rehearsh those lines over and over all day long which can manifest their cursed reality. Acting is like a ritual that simulates reality.

The very show they have acted on cursed their acting career. Producers won't hire them because their faces are associated with a popular TV show they've done a looong time ago and people only recognizes them as that character and as a result has lost their identity as a real life person and is now being called or associated with a TV show character.

They lost their soul while portraying a likable character on television who isn't their true person, just a character.

Where are all these people now that were once at the height of their acting careers? The only way these people can get back on television is to embarrass themselves on a reality show. They crave the attention of being famous but the hollywood producers won't hire them, desperate, they turn to self degradation on VH1 reality crap.

Want to know why Will Smith is doing so well in his career? Take a look at the moral positivity in his sitcom, his music videos, and all the movies he did has portrayed him in such a positive light.

We reap what we sow is what I'm getting at... like Gary, he had a lot of negativity in the lines he rehearshed over and over and that is how his life turned out. Todd Bridges could be doing better, he's still surviving. The only job they really care about is showing their face on television so that people won't think they're dead. Being recognized is all that is important to them now, no producer is going to pay a has-been a boat load of money.

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Guess what? We all have ups and downs in life and we are all going to die someday!

:wave: LOL, I mean really. Not trying to be mean are anything. But we weren't in any deep discussion. :lol:

Uh, just so you know.... I started this thread,

:wave:

Uh, just so you know.... I started this thread,



Yeah you did and the responses to "your thread" wasn't all that deep. A person can play a role, that doesn't determine how their "real life" will turn out.


So that was my opinion, everyone has them

But Welcome to the boards :wave:

The lines he was given to say about how he'd be a loser when he grows up. The lines weren't in those exact words but for example: There was an episode when Willis and Charlene was having relationship problems, and Arnold seemed to be enjoying the quarrel, Drummond walks in to break up the argument... he sends Arnold to his room, then Arnold replies: "Aww, man... I'm a grow up stupid. When I am married with my wife on our Honeymoon, my wife will say to me: "Arnold, would you mind leaving the room please?"

Through out the entire DS series Gary is the only one given lines about him being a loser in the future (not said to that effect of course.)

Not to mention the times when Arnold would strike out with a girl and he would be depressed and has a talk with Mr. Drummond and then Arnold would say: "I should shave my hair bald and become a monk."

Another example is the Smoker's Delight episode, when Dudley sits on the couch with Arnold explaining to him how he would be a lost pathetic soul, wandering the halls at school with no friends, and banging his head against the locker, although Dudley was refering to Arnold's Junior High School future if he didn't smoke, it was still a "cursed future" of loneliness directed at Gary's character which became a reality for his true person in the "now" future.

Every time Arnold pities himself (which is usually over some girl he likes but doesn't like him) he always rambles on and on about a "cursed future" of being lonely and womenless to which the audience laughed at the "cursed lines" that was given to Gary to recite over and over not realizing that these lines was cursing his real future. It's something to ponder on.

Damn,that i got sad just reading that.

Then why not try "chat rooms", they seem more up your alley.


This is a fun place, King. As long as everyone is staying relatively ontopic about DS, there's no harm being done. :)

See how long that attitude gets you here. ;) Telling someone to go back to school, yet you forget your log-in information? :rofl:

I have been posting to forums for years and I always come across sarcastic long time members who think they are better than me. Your attitude is no different.

You must have missed Brie's "welcome to the board" comment then.

I don't believe in any curse. Gary has had a tough life and he has many demons but being on DS shouldn't be one of them. He should embrace who he is and reach out to his fans. Their's a lot of money to made by doing that and he'd probably feel better about himself too.

First off, I was not being sarcastic at all, Secondly you don’t know anything about my educational background or me so do not make demeaning comments about my “intellectual level“ or anyone else’s. No one is/was criticizing you, if you want to have a battle of wits then I’m ready.

You were trying to impress your buddies by being sarcastic to the so-called "newbie." Like I said before I have been a lurker and a contributor to these forums, and one thing that is consistant is singling out a supposed "newbie" and giving them a hard time.

If one of your pals had made a constructive post like mine then you would NOT have been no where near as disrespectful as you were to me. By you dismissing my posting as being too long or idiotic, you get in the way of the reader's better judgement.

It's easy to gang up on a so-called newbie poster because your popularity status isn't in jeopardy when you do this.

From what I see from my lurking is Regulars patting each other on the backs and supporting each other's posts no matter how ignorant, long, or short the message may be.

If you really wanted to "welcome me" you would have done it with your first response to my post, so save it.

You were trying to impress your buddies by being sarcastic to the so-called "newbie." Like I said before I have been a lurker and a contributor to these forums, and one thing that is consistant is singling out a supposed "newbie" and giving them a hard time.

If one of your pals had made a constructive post like mine then you would NOT have been no where near as disrespectful as you were to me. By you dismissing my posting as being too long or idiotic, you get in the way of the reader's better judgement.

It's easy to gang up on a so-called newbie poster because your popularity status isn't in jeopardy when you do this.

From what I see from my lurking is Regulars patting each other on the backs and supporting each other's posts no matter how ignorant, long, or short the message may be.

If you really wanted to "welcome me" you would have done it with your first response to my post, so save it.


If you knew me (and you don't) then you would know that I could care less what anyone on this board thinks about me. I speak my mind and I don't hold back, I don't care if you‘re a friend or foe. If I disagree with you then I say so, I don't try to impress anyone on this board. This is not about popularity, there have been new people who have come to these boards and I have not agreed with their post but we are civilized to each other. On down the line they‘ll make a post or I will make a post and we will agree with each other. I do not have to put on a show for anyone.

I did not realize that you were "new" until I made that post because I was actually reading your response and I saw how many post you had. So get it right and do your homework before you try to put down or make comment on others.

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How about laying off the new member, who it turns out, isn't a new member, but doesn't matter anyway. This person made a thread and was ridiculed. Hasn't TJ told members over and over again to not gang up and rag on members? Do some of you never learn lessons about driving members away? There is no "meaness that can turn others against"... anyone. Sounds like the threat of a gangup to me. That's against the rules. Unreal.

She was not being kind, she was being "sarcastic" because my post was above her level of intelligence and it offended her like it offended you.

Being popular on a forum doesn't appeal to me, I could care less. And I will not kiss your a** to be liked or gain acceptance here, we are all strangers regardless of who post here longer than who.

I am an Occasional Poster. I post when I have something to say or to contribute. I don't hang around on internet forums all day as if I have no life outside of a forum. If popularity means more to you than an honest discussion and exchange of point of views then that's your flaw of character. But don't grill me simply because you suspect that I am a newbie and you think it's cool to disrespect someone with a few posts. I have been posting here since 2002 and I would forget my login details when I am absent for a while and would sign up again under a different name over the years.

There's your explaination, if it's too long for you then too bad, go back to school and brush up on your reading comprehension because this is called a "forum" a place of discussion. If you want to read short ******** sentences then my advice for you is to subscribe to chat rooms.
You've been tag-teamed. In the future, consider using the Report Post feature. It works when members are laughing and openly gossiping about you, making fun of your thread, and that sort of thing. The moderators are impartial and know when a member has been mistreated, as you clearly were here, despite the "Welcome to the boards", tacked onto the end of the jabs.

And you are allowed to get as deep as you want with your discussion about tv shows. These are the Owner's rules, below. Those who don't want to participate, can ignore any thread that doesn't interest them. Welcome back to the boards, really. :)

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/announcement.php?f=154&a=18

Once again, I thank you guys that did report this post. All right guys, I had the chance to read over the comments. I will put on my member hat for a moment and then my moderator hat.


I do believe that Koopa's long comment about Gary Coleman was pretty deep(terrific comment)...but not ridiculously deep. There are some valid points there and gives you something to think about. Personally, I thought that there were some good comments made. I too believe that words can help to make or break a person's destiny. However, that is my belief and I will not push that on anyone.

The conflict:

I believe that this whole misunderstanding began with Irene's comment about Koopa's comment being too long and then Brie agreeing with that. I think that is what jumpstarted this whole thing. :( I'll be honest, I would be a little offended if someone did tell me that I posted too long a comment that I felt had valid points. :( Be mindful as to how you post. We don't want to offend people. I have to stress that again people. Simply do not comment if you feel like you are going to insult one's opinion. That is the best way to eliminate conflict.

There should be no insults about wasting your time on these boards. Whether people chose to spend little or much time on these boards. People love the boards and have every right to posts whenever and however long they wish. Overall, that is his/her business. ;)

For what it is worth Koopa, when Brie and Irene told you welcome to the boards, I believe that there was sincerity there in spite of the disagreement. :cool:

Janice did bring up a good point about tag teaming and I have to agree that it is no no. In this case, I do believe that one was just defending the other. This matter just escalted to a big misunderstanding. Folks, think things through before resorting to name calling or insults towards others. No one is perfect and can easily caught up in the heat of the moment but as adults you must learn to govern yourselves.

This post was reported to me from both opposing sides. There is a chance that you will find some edits to some comments. Do not be P.O.'d folks because its not personal.

No need to ban anyone for this matter. I urge you to just dig a little deeper and try to understand where the other person is coming from. :)


Koopa, your comment gives some people some things to think about. You keep on posting. I am gonna go ahead and close this thread. No need to keep it open. Koopa, if you wish, you may restart this topic again in another thread. Folks, words do offend. I was reminded of a few things through investigating this matter. For the sake of keeping the members, moderators and administrators happy and at peace, do the right thing or there will be consequences.

Come on sitcom family, let's play it cool. :cool:

Irene and Brieannas21, I have read this thread, and the two of you clearly have tag-teamed a guest of mine. KingKoopa simply made a thread and was then ridiculed. KingKoopa defended him/herself, as most anyone would, but why should someone have to defend themselves against long-time regular members. If KingKoopa doesn't return, I'm holding you both responsible.

How soon we forget, Irene. I have told you repeatedly to lay off newbies and gangups. Stop threatening my members with dire consequences should they not do as you say. Do not threaten them with a gangup, as you did on your posts #21 and #23. I'm starting to wonder if you're capable of change. Also, as I recently told you on the I Love Lucy board, stop playing moderator on my site. If a member violates a rule, report that person. Don't post rules and tell anyone how to behave. I told you that I'll hand out the warnings, not you.

I'm sick and tired of these cliques of long-timers running off new members. New members, or sporadic posters, are every bit as "beloved" to me. Stop placing a value on my members Irene, therefore making new members feel second-rate. Every one of my guests has a place here, and a right to feel welcome. Either ignore or genuinely welcome new members or find somewhere else to post. That goes for everyone. This is my site. You are my guests here, so behave accordingly. It wasn't long ago that I was forced to post the message below. I suggest certain members read it again.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=223394&highlight=note

More cursed lines from the Arnold's First Date episode:

Arnold on the phone with Diane: "Diane, I'm having the same problem with my dad not letting me go out on our date, by the time they let us date I will blow my entire Social Security check on you."
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Drummond: "I didn't go on my first date until I was 40."

Arnold: But dad, if I wait that long Diane will be married, and I don't want to go on my first date with a married woman.

Koopa, I have to think about that. To me, those were just lines on a page. He was playing a part. I do agree that there is power in words and do believe that words can make or break an outcome but Gary was an actor doing a job. Outside of DS, I think that he probably spoke those negative words and chose to see nothing but negativity and something like that can snowball through your life like it has his.

I blame his parents in part because it was their actions (IMO) that jumpstarted this whole matter. Parents are supposed to look after your best interests. They obviously missed that.

Koopa, I have to think about that. To me, those were just lines on a page. He was playing a part. I do agree that there is power in words and do believe that words can make or break an outcome but Gary was an actor doing a job. Outside of DS, I think that he probably spoke those negative words and chose to see nothing but negativity and something like that can snowball through your life like it has his.

I blame his parents in part because it was their actions (IMO) that jumpstarted this whole matter. Parents are supposed to look after your best interests. They obviously missed that.

He didn't say those lines just once, he said them over and over during the taping of DS. Not only the lines, but the story surrounding the lines.

Here's another example, remember on the "Sanford & Son" episodes how Foxx's character would pretend to have a heart attack by grabbing his chest saying: "I think it's a big one, oh Elizabeth I'm coming to join ya."

Fast forward to 1991 when Red Foxx was on the set of his new show, guess what happened, he began grabbing his chest just as he did on the Sanford episodes, the cast members thought he was "pretending", but when he didn't get back up they knew that it was real.

There was an episode on "Sanford" when he was faking a heart attack, and Cal told Sanford: "You can't keep faking heart attacks like that, you scared me."

That Sanford episode was semi-serious, the laughing stopped when Cal set Sanford down and told him straight that he shouldn't play around with faking a heart attack.

I understand, but to me there is a difference between Arnold Jackson and Gary Coleman. When I did the same college play for three years, I said the same lines over and over and they were somewhat negative but they have not controlled my life.