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crystaldawn
05-16-2008, 10:40 AM
I was going through some NBC episodes today I received in a trade and came across this one. I had never seen it and don't remember it even being mentioned on the board. It was an elderly black man named Walter Rice. He was a recluse and lived in a trailer in McCormick, SC. He never talked with his neighbors and seemed to have no family. Apparently gradually his utilities were shut off due to non-payment and his mail was being returned (apparently no one knew or cared enough to figure out why). Finally 2 men are attempting to rob Walter's trailer and when they break in find Walter's lifeless body in his trailer. He had apparently died of a heart attack a year earlier!! Seeing the body scared the robbers away so (people speculate as much as a month or two later) persuade one of their girlfriends to call police and then Walter's body was located. He died in early '92 and was 73 years old. He was found to have an estate worth $140,000 and UM was looking for heirs. By going through some check stubs they found in his apartment they found out he worked as a cook in Connecticut for 10 years. His former co-workers really knew nothing about his personal life but he did live in a dorm for the restaurant workers and they speculate this was how he was able to save up so much money. They do know his birthdate and that he had several siblings but don't think he ever married or had children so are hoping a niece or nephew will come forward. Another interesting clue they found was that Walter had a passport and it was full of stamps from all sort of exotic locations. Anyone remember seeing this segment?

synthisislab
05-16-2008, 10:43 AM
Nope, it doesn't ring a bell but sounds like a great candidate for vol 15.

joshypiano
05-16-2008, 11:29 AM
What date do you have for this one? I don't have it in any of my lists or on any episode guide I can find. Are the other segments from this episode you watched well known?

crystaldawn
05-16-2008, 12:09 PM
What date do you have for this one? I don't have it in any of my lists or on any episode guide I can find. Are the other segments from this episode you watched well known?

I have the airdate as 1/26/94. The other segments on this episode are Amy Billig, update where a baby abandoned to a good samaritan on a train finds her birth family, Oliver Munson disappearance and Meredith Atkinson is searching for her birth mother Rose Marie Ledbetter. All of those segments (with the exception of the Rice one) are well known.

joshypiano
05-16-2008, 02:18 PM
I have the airdate as 1/26/94. The other segments on this episode are Amy Billig, update where a baby abandoned to a good samaritan on a train finds her birth family, Oliver Munson disappearance and Meredith Atkinson is searching for her birth mother Rose Marie Ledbetter. All of those segments (with the exception of the Rice one) are well known.


Thanks. I'm glad I asked you that question because when I went back to add the Rice case to my list, I realized I don't have the Munson case listed anywhere in my list at all and its one of those cases i remember really well. I noticed it's not on yours either.

george ramos
05-30-2008, 09:05 AM
Wow, his dead body was in his trailer for one year? That's creepy. :eek:

crystaldawn
05-30-2008, 09:18 AM
Wow, his dead body was in his trailer for one year? That's creepy. :eek:

I agree and its also very sad. I mean can you imagine being dead for a year and nobody even realizing you were gone or missing you? :(

mphs95
06-06-2008, 02:14 PM
I was going through some NBC episodes today I received in a trade and came across this one. I had never seen it and don't remember it even being mentioned on the board. It was an elderly black man named Walter Rice. He was a recluse and lived in a trailer in McCormick, SC. He never talked with his neighbors and seemed to have no family. Apparently gradually his utilities were shut off due to non-payment and his mail was being returned (apparently no one knew or cared enough to figure out why). Finally 2 men are attempting to rob Walter's trailer and when they break in find Walter's lifeless body in his trailer. He had apparently died of a heart attack a year earlier!! Seeing the body scared the robbers away so (people speculate as much as a month or two later) persuade one of their girlfriends to call police and then Walter's body was located. He died in early '92 and was 73 years old. He was found to have an estate worth $140,000 and UM was looking for heirs. By going through some check stubs they found in his apartment they found out he worked as a cook in Connecticut for 10 years. His former co-workers really knew nothing about his personal life but he did live in a dorm for the restaurant workers and they speculate this was how he was able to save up so much money. They do know his birthdate and that he had several siblings but don't think he ever married or had children so are hoping a niece or nephew will come forward. Another interesting clue they found was that Walter had a passport and it was full of stamps from all sort of exotic locations. Anyone remember seeing this segment?

CD, I watched this on your Vol 15 and it broke my heart. How sad to be dead and not noticed for a year, only to be found by criminals breaking into your home.

mah79
01-23-2010, 06:46 PM
Hi Everyone,
I just recently saw the Walter Rice case. Actually, the only place I was able to access the case was with the Spanish translation of Unsolved Mysteries (Misterios Sin Resolver, Herederos Perdidos=Unsolved Mysteries, Lost Heirs). I am fluent in Spanish, so I was able to get the gist of what happened to Walter (the heart attack, the 2 robbers who discovered his body, how he worked as a chef from 1963 to 1983 and amassed his fortune). I remember of course the Oliver Munson, Rose Marie Ledbetter and Amy Billig cases from NBC and Lifetime, but nothing on Walter.
Was there ever any update on Walter, or his heirs? What a very sad story.
On a side note, has anyone ever had the opportunity to watch UM in another language. It is quite an interesting experience...especially for cases that I have never seen before.
THese are other Misterios Sin Resolver that I have found: Oliver Munson, I think Chaim Weiss, the antique bible (Charles Lazarus), Oscar Norton and Lorene (the woman whose sisters were looking for her after their mother died and left her a fortune). Pretty interesting stuff.

rhzunam
01-23-2010, 08:02 PM
On a side note, has anyone ever had the opportunity to watch UM in another language. It is quite an interesting experience...especially for cases that I have never seen before.
THese are other Misterios Sin Resolver that I have found on youtube: Oliver Munson, I think Chaim Weiss, the antique bible (Charles Lazarus), Oscar Norton and Lorene (the woman whose sisters were looking for her after their mother died and left her a fortune). Pretty interesting stuff.

I watched it sometimes in Spanish and I hated it. Especially since they were mysteries that I hadn't seen in English including the Raymond Burr episode.

As for this case, is this the one that had the cooking students telling him what would he do for the weekend and he always laughed and said the same phrase (I don't remember the specific phrase)?

mah79
01-24-2010, 12:55 AM
Yes, that's the one. I never caught what he said to the other chefs. One of them said (I'm translating) "YOu know what today is, right?" And Walter says, "Yes, it's Saturday night." Then he says something else but i forget what.

Gelatinous Goo
06-12-2010, 12:12 PM
Walter Rice--Born July 6, 1920, Died Feb. 1992, McCormick, SC. Social Security card was issued by the State of Florida. At some point his address is listed as being 507 S. Oak St., McCormick, SC, 29835. This is now a vacant lot on a quiet street with small southern-style houses.

The 1930 census lists a Walter Rice, born around the same time and living in Connecticut. The ages nearly matched up, but the ethnicity was wrong. There was a Walter Rice in Florida, but the DOB is off by two years and the day and month are off.

This one will be tough to crack due to his common name and the lack of a middle name. If only we had access to his passport/other documentation.

xxxxmattxxxx69
06-12-2010, 11:21 PM
Walter Rice--Born July 6, 1920, Died Feb. 1992, McCormick, SC. Social Security card was issued by the State of Florida. At some point his address is listed as being 507 S. Oak St., McCormick, SC, 29835. This is now a vacant lot on a quiet street with small southern-style houses.

The 1930 census lists a Walter Rice, born around the same time and living in Connecticut. The ages nearly matched up, but the ethnicity was wrong. There was a Walter Rice in Florida, but the DOB is off by two years and the day and month are off.

This one will be tough to crack due to his common name and the lack of a middle name. If only we had access to his passport/other documentation.


I believe in a spike edition of this case they said since he was dead for too long without an heir coming forward the state of SC got whatever money he left in his will

MegtheEgg86
06-12-2010, 11:36 PM
I believe in a spike edition of this case they said since he was dead for too long without an heir coming forward the state of SC got whatever money he left in his will

Spike covered that segment?!?!? Why would they rehash such a pathetically sad story knowing it had a pathetic ending? I can certainly understand UM doing it in an attempt to find an heir, but I feel there is absolutely no reason to re-broadcast a story like that, all these years later. Poor man.

xxxxmattxxxx69
06-13-2010, 09:37 PM
Spike covered that segment?!?!? Why would they rehash such a pathetically sad story knowing it had a pathetic ending? I can certainly understand UM doing it in an attempt to find an heir, but I feel there is absolutely no reason to re-broadcast a story like that, all these years later. Poor man.


Ya Spike covered that segment. Thats even worse than the ones they update after the suspects have been released from prison(Greg Webb)

MegtheEgg86
06-13-2010, 11:24 PM
Ya Spike covered that segment. Thats even worse than the ones they update after the suspects have been released from prison(Greg Webb)

Yeah, seriously. Spike = :rolleyes:

Victoria81
03-13-2012, 04:00 PM
Yeah, seriously. Spike = :rolleyes:


Watching this now. Always amazes me he had no known family/friends :(

Judyhymesisalive
04-29-2016, 03:55 PM
I'm glad i found this thread, this one has always got me thinking. I cant find anything at find a grave for Walter. Did anyone eventually come forward as related to him? RIP Walter

Hambone2421
01-26-2017, 01:36 PM
Bumping this case. Just curious if anyone knows if Walter ever had any family members come forward?

freakbook
01-26-2017, 01:57 PM
I don't understand how the hell he wasn't found for over a year. The stench must have been unbearable. Sad case.

ontarioboi
01-28-2017, 01:35 AM
This is really sad, dead for a year and nobody knows. I read that his passport had exotic stamps, he lived alone and had brothers and sisters. The wiki article states that rice was involved in a car accident earlier in the year which the official says might have caused his death, i guess the stress he means.

Anyone sort of think maybe he was in the witness protection? He had a huge estate for a guy who lived alone and was a cook. Probably saved a lot but maybe he was say in other ways with money. Thats a huge estate and surprised no relative came forward.

Though I am not black I find his death one of the sadder cases profiled. Here we have a single working class black man who worked hard in life, saved money but nobody was there for him at the end.

freakbook
01-28-2017, 02:03 AM
Anyone sort of think maybe he was in the witness protection? He had a huge estate for a guy who lived alone and was a cook. Probably saved a lot but maybe he was say in other ways with money. Thats a huge estate and surprised no relative came forward.

Though I am not black I find his death one of the sadder cases profiled. Here we have a single working class black man who worked hard in life, saved money but nobody was there for him at the end.

Wow, good call about the witness protection claim, I didn't even think about that, makes sense. Or maybe he was a criminal who was laying low.

:lol: You don't have to be black to find this case sad :lol:

Labonte18
06-28-2018, 12:41 PM
I found some info and updated the Unsolved Mysteries wiki page with it.. An article from the 2007 Index-Journal has quotes from investigators that make this case even odder.

Apparently his Social Security card was possibly fake (Though I found him in the SSDI, so.. That seems odd).. His birth certificate listing his birth in Abbeville, there are no corresponding records at Abbeville hospitals.. The passport led them to the CIA who refused to comment.

Interesting read..

https://www.newspapers.com/image/71899752/

The first part on page 1 has nothing interesting on it.. Read the "Who" portion, it's about Walter.

Witness Protection, while a decent thought.. I think they usually create a better background.

Him being born in 1920.. He SHOULD show up in WWII records as he would have been prime age then, you would think. I can find nothing on him.

LooksLikeCRicci
06-29-2018, 08:43 PM
I found some info and updated the Unsolved Mysteries wiki page with it.. An article from the 2007 Index-Journal has quotes from investigators that make this case even odder.

Apparently his Social Security card was possibly fake (Though I found him in the SSDI, so.. That seems odd).. His birth certificate listing his birth in Abbeville, there are no corresponding records at Abbeville hospitals.. The passport led them to the CIA who refused to comment.

Interesting read..

https://www.newspapers.com/image/71899752/

The first part on page 1 has nothing interesting on it.. Read the "Who" portion, it's about Walter.

Witness Protection, while a decent thought.. I think they usually create a better background.

Him being born in 1920.. He SHOULD show up in WWII records as he would have been prime age then, you would think. I can find nothing on him.

Welcome! And wow.... interesting!

Labonte18
06-29-2018, 08:53 PM
Welcome! And wow.... interesting!

I wouldn't read too much into the CIA not commenting.. I think that's probably their standard M.O. It certainly adds a new level for the tin-foil hat crowd, but..

But I've searched.. The oddest thing about this case, and maybe someone has better access to military records than I do.. The fact there are no military records. I've found nothing to indicate that he was unwell, had a gimpy leg or anything that would disqualify him from the military, and him being 21-25 during the war.. Seems VERY odd to not find any records on him.

Even if he was infirm in some way and would be 4-F.. I'd think he'd still have had to fill out a draft card.

If anyone has good military records.. Seems to me that'd be a good place to look.

Gelatinous Goo
07-04-2018, 12:23 AM
Please add the images sourced from newspapers.com here. Would love to read them.

Labonte18
07-04-2018, 10:04 AM
http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Heirs_of_Walter_Rice

Article is linked on that page.

Labonte18
07-20-2018, 12:49 PM
And, just in case..

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/22029975/

That should be a clipping viewable by all.

TheCars1986
07-25-2018, 08:51 AM
This was one of the saddest cases I've ever seen featured on UM. I saw it for the first time yesterday and couldn't believe he wasn't found for over a year. The worst part was the update.

Queena
11-28-2020, 08:57 AM
This case breaks my heart. I don't think that he was part of the CIA (the first Black officer was appointed by JFK) I think that he possibly changed his name. My great grandfather changed his name. A lot of Black people were named after presidents or landmarks. I had a great uncle named after Lincoln and he changed his name. My g grandfather was named after Christopher Columbus, and he changed his name. The most puzzling part is how did they know that he had brothers and sisters? I wish that his DNA was available, this would be a good case for DNA detectives.

RIP Mr. Rice. I'm sure that there's a family who spent yesterday on Zoom talking about old Uncle Walter who left years ago to go to the store and never came back.

Labonte18
11-28-2020, 11:39 AM
This case breaks my heart. I don't think that he was part of the CIA (the first Black officer was appointed by JFK) I think that he possibly changed his name. My great grandfather changed his name. A lot of Black people were named after presidents or landmarks. I had a great uncle named after Lincoln and he changed his name. My g grandfather was named after Christopher Columbus, and he changed his name. The most puzzling part is how did they know that he had brothers and sisters? I wish that his DNA was available, this would be a good case for DNA detectives.

RIP Mr. Rice. I'm sure that there's a family who spent yesterday on Zoom talking about old Uncle Walter who left years ago to go to the store and never came back.

Honestly, this case seems to have more twists and turns.. I need to try to get in touch with the city attorney at the time, before he passes away or something. He's in his 80's, I believe..

I think there's alot more that hasn't come out about this.. All the news stories and there's even pictures in the papers where some of his money was used to get him a marker in the McCormick cemetery. A rather large marker.. It's not there. I've gone to that cemetery and searched.. It's not there.

The location where the trailer was.. I've been by there and the fact that he wasn't discovered for a year.. Not that surprising. It's not overly far from neighbors, but.. Place being closed up.. I can certainly see that.

Queena
11-29-2020, 12:04 PM
Honestly, this case seems to have more twists and turns.. I need to try to get in touch with the city attorney at the time, before he passes away or something. He's in his 80's, I believe..

I think there's alot more that hasn't come out about this.. All the news stories and there's even pictures in the papers where some of his money was used to get him a marker in the McCormick cemetery. A rather large marker.. It's not there. I've gone to that cemetery and searched.. It's not there.

The location where the trailer was.. I've been by there and the fact that he wasn't discovered for a year.. Not that surprising. It's not overly far from neighbors, but.. Place being closed up.. I can certainly see that.
I don't remember seeing a marker on find a grave now that you mention it. I've used street view and saw the empty lot. I too can see how he would go unnoticed. Such a sad case.

RIP Mr. Rice.

Labonte18
12-09-2020, 07:57 PM
I don't remember seeing a marker on find a grave now that you mention it. I've used street view and saw the empty lot. I too can see how he would go unnoticed. Such a sad case.

RIP Mr. Rice.

I found a picture of the marker from a newspaper article when it was placed and uploaded that to FindAGrave.. But i'm telling you.. I've been to that cemetery 3 times looking SPECIFICALLY for that marker. I have a picture of what it looked like. It's not there.

Now.. Explain to me how a marker purchased with HIS money and placed on his grave disappears. And look at the pic.. it was a LARGE marker. He basically got one of the 'double' markers that are made for a husband and wife.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/169180017/walter-rice

that's not someone that someone could come by and just abscond with.

Now.. To take off my tin foil hat a bit.. I do want to go back down there because that cemetery has had a bit on encroachment from woods.. So, if I can get down there during winter I can search the borders and see if he was buried in an area where brush has grown up. It's certainly not an unkempt cemetery tho, and I'd be surprised if that's the case.

Another thing that bothers me.. McCormick isn't a place people just wind up. He had to have had some connection to the area. But.. Why are there no birth records if he was supposedly born here?

Again, taking the tin foil hat off.. Elderly African American.. It's far from uncommon in this area to see obits with "Last member of his family", so, there could be a logical explanation here.

but.. This is a pet project case of mine. This should be solvable. The information is out there, it's just getting the right person to see it and put it all together. I honestly do not believe the CIA angles.

Since he's an unclaimed body.. I wonder what would be involved in disinterring him for a DNA sample and running it through GEDMatch or even CODIS for familial matches. Assuming, of course, he wasn't cremated.

Queena
12-09-2020, 08:08 PM
I found a picture of the marker from a newspaper article when it was placed and uploaded that to FindAGrave.. But i'm telling you.. I've been to that cemetery 3 times looking SPECIFICALLY for that marker. I have a picture of what it looked like. It's not there.

Now.. Explain to me how a marker purchased with HIS money and placed on his grave disappears. And look at the pic.. it was a LARGE marker. He basically got one of the 'double' markers that are made for a husband and wife.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/169180017/walter-rice

that's not someone that someone could come by and just abscond with.

Now.. To take off my tin foil hat a bit.. I do want to go back down there because that cemetery has had a bit on encroachment from woods.. So, if I can get down there during winter I can search the borders and see if he was buried in an area where brush has grown up. It's certainly not an unkempt cemetery tho, and I'd be surprised if that's the case.

Another thing that bothers me.. McCormick isn't a place people just wind up. He had to have had some connection to the area. But.. Why are there no birth records if he was supposedly born here?

Again, taking the tin foil hat off.. Elderly African American.. It's far from uncommon in this area to see obits with "Last member of his family", so, there could be a logical explanation here.

but.. This is a pet project case of mine. This should be solvable. The information is out there, it's just getting the right person to see it and put it all together. I honestly do not believe the CIA angles.

Since he's an unclaimed body.. I wonder what would be involved in disinterring him for a DNA sample and running it through GEDMatch or even CODIS for familial matches. Assuming, of course, he wasn't cremated.

I think that I read that he was cremated. I have searched the census records and there's no one with his parents name in the state. I'm going to do more research after I pay for ancestry. I'm Black and I get so frustrated when I hit the slavery brick wall. Another problem is that a lot of people had the same name.

TheCars1986
12-10-2020, 09:02 AM
So the tidbit about his parents being from Abbeville, SC and having 7 siblings was fraudulent? He could be anybody at that point. He might not even be from the United States.

dcguy80
02-23-2021, 11:30 PM
If those robbers had never showed up, who knows how long it might have been before his body was found? Because of his reclusive lifestyle, there was nobody that would have been concerned enough to check on him.

Austin023
03-05-2022, 06:28 PM
I recently re-watched this segment and have long found this case interesting.

While I do find the CIA theory quite possible, I would also look into other avenues.
He was supposedly born in Abbeville, SC (in Abbeville County) July 1, 1920...while I have not yet personally dug into any possible existing documents relating to Walter Rice, the fact he (or his identity) has 7 siblings I find interesting....what ever became of this? How did they respond when asked about their (supposed) brother? (Provided they were still alive in 1992---it IS possible none were alive by then, but I find that hard to believe).

Walter Rice was apparently a single black, African-American man who was born in the upstate of SC just after WWI. While birth registration was required in South Carolina by 1920, it was not always followed and enforced as diligently as in later times (my personal genealogical experience shows that especially with rural blacks of the region then, birth registration was by no means 100%!). Transportation was often a hardship, lack of schooling and sometimes a mistrust for the local officials sometimes made registration non-compliant.

Sometimes no birth record was filed till the child started to attend school, apply for a Social Security number or apply for military enlistment/draft. Time to time no birth record was filed at all, ever.
It was not especially hard to concoct a new identity or assume another person's identity back then, especially before the 1950s. So, Walter might have made or stolen an identity early on, say before WWII. It would be helpful to see his SSN as that would tell us not only where it was issued, but also when. I do recall one article on this case said Walter's SSN was issued in Florida, but did not say when it was issued.

Id like to see what the 1930 and 1940 US Census have on this...

Labonte18
03-08-2022, 01:12 PM
Id like to see what the 1930 and 1940 US Census have on this...

Nothing. Doesn't show up. Not that I've found, at least.

His age, unless he was 4-F for some reason, he certainly would have been drafted for service in WWII

Findagrave lists him as born in Florida, but.. Nothing guarantees that is correct.

Living in CT.. How in the devil did he wind up there?

Just so very confusing. Brick wall after brick wall.

Queena
08-30-2022, 01:19 PM
I posted about this case on Reddit a few months ago, and a few days ago a relative of Walter Rice responded! I've received their permission to share what they said here:

He has family. Many of us still live in Anderson County, SC, or elsewhere in the Upstate. It’s odd that no one could be found at that time-he wasn’t the first of his siblings to pass, but also wasn’t the last. I’ve got my mom on the case now, after seeing your comment. She actually taped this episode for her mom, who is Mr. Rice’s cousin, back when it aired. Found the VHS this afternoon cleaning out, which is what prompted me to search this topic for her. Thank you for caring.

Here's my follow-up question: Oh wow! I'm in shock. Would you mind telling me more about your family and how they missed finding you guys?
My grandmother was a Rice before she married, and his 1st or 2nd cousin…Planning to confirm with death certificates, etc. Not sure how everyone was missed, which causes me to suspect that maybe no one was contacted prior to taping in the first place. We didn’t know about the TV episode till we saw it air. I think when you’re out of touch with family, the situation is always more difficult. As far as his background, I don’t know anything about that. We’re all also related to baseball hall of famer Jim Ed Rice. My mom’s brother and my grandmother even look like him.


Thank you so much for answering my questions. There's a lot of Unsolved Mysteries fans that have been so intrigued by this case. I don't think that they looked too hard. I found your family in the 1920, 30, and 40 census records. Do you mind if I share your answers on Sitcoms online message board?

You’re welcome! Sure-like you said, if you search census records and death certificates, the information is already out there and free.
[] They do! My uncle was an incredible athlete too, winning in Track & Field at the Junior Olympics, but he busted his knee, unfortunately ����*♀️ I’m not sure ab the familial relationship though…My mom may know. If she does, I’ll make sure I post here again. I’m glad to have made someone happy! I’m a new user on Reddit as of today.


I'm not a baseball fan, but Jim Rice and Walter Rice do look alike. What do you guys think?

Labonte18
08-31-2022, 12:33 PM
I posted about this case on Reddit a few months ago, and a few days ago a relative of Walter Rice responded! I've received their permission to share what they said here:



Here's my follow-up question: Oh wow! I'm in shock. Would you mind telling me more about your family and how they missed finding you guys?



Thank you so much for answering my questions. There's a lot of Unsolved Mysteries fans that have been so intrigued by this case. I don't think that they looked too hard. I found your family in the 1920, 30, and 40 census records. Do you mind if I share your answers on Sitcoms online message board?




I'm not a baseball fan, but Jim Rice and Walter Rice do look alike. What do you guys think?


Not that I don't trust anyone.. I just don't trust anyone.

But, you've left a lot of info out here.. Which I understand because.. Privacy and all.

I actually do see, what I assume is the right Walter Rice in the census records.. I suppose I had focused a bit too much on Abbeville. But my question would be about how he wound up in CT. Was he a veteran? He'd have been prime age for service in WWII.. So, did he serve and if not, why not?

Remember that when this all started, the 1930 and 1940 (and 1950 for that matter) census records were not available.

The Jim Rice angle.. Actually, yes, makes sense as Jim Rice is from Anderson.

Queena
09-23-2022, 12:48 PM
Not that I don't trust anyone.. I just don't trust anyone.

But, you've left a lot of info out here.. Which I understand because.. Privacy and all.

I actually do see, what I assume is the right Walter Rice in the census records.. I suppose I had focused a bit too much on Abbeville. But my question would be about how he wound up in CT. Was he a veteran? He'd have been prime age for service in WWII.. So, did he serve and if not, why not?

Remember that when this all started, the 1930 and 1940 (and 1950 for that matter) census records were not available.

The Jim Rice angle.. Actually, yes, makes sense as Jim Rice is from Anderson.
After slavery a lot of Black people, especially young people, migrated from the south towards northern cities. Connecticut is in the north or wasn't in the southern belt and wasn't seen as racist as the south and those places adjacent to it. I do remember that those records weren't available, and I'm well aware that they wouldn't have went into the Black belt and asked questions. It's too bad they wouldn't. Once I get more time, we're going to put together a family tree and link him with the rest of his family.

EighthStreet
11-28-2022, 12:04 PM
His age, unless he was 4-F for some reason, he certainly would have been drafted for service in WWII


Throwing this out there, maybe he was a draft dodger that got a new identity in the post war years.

infinityluxe
11-29-2022, 02:26 AM
What I find odd about Mr. Rice's case is the fact he up and moved from CT back to SC in 1990 and bought a trailer. Usually you move back closer to your hometown to be close to family. Why move to such a remote place after living in CT all that time?

I googled Jim Rice and wow they look a lot a like family resemblance is there. His relative comes off genuine. Its interesting the family has been aware of the Unsolved Mysteries case and never bothered to contact them.

I wonder if Walter went into the military and not all of him came back (PTSD). Being from such a large family it is rare for someone to isolate themselves like that especially being from the south. Walter also could have been gay and that could be a reason he distanced himself from his family.

So many questions. Its weird about hearing how his grave disappeared. Wow.

I also found something interesting from another forum:

Okay... so this may seem a bit out there, but bear with me.

In the 1960s & 1970s the CIA employed black agents to infiltrate, monitor & report back regarding Black Panther activity in the US & abroad. This is what came up with a google of “African American CIA agents of the 1970s”. This would explain Rice’s exotic passport locations (if Asia, Africa, Algeria) as well as time as kitchen staff in CT- where the BPs were active, living, working, etc. Some famous trials from those days in CT. Were members of the Black Panther Party employed at the “Gris”? What better way to “infiltrate” if you work along side a member & are “brought in”?

New Haven is a 35 min drive from Essex. Similar coastal town with ties to NYC, Boston, etc.

EighthStreet
11-29-2022, 09:18 AM
I'm going to throw some doubt at the family mentioned above. If they were aware of the case and believed he was family I have to believe that they would have done more than just videotape the segment for grandma to try and get their rightful claim on that money, which the local authorities were bending over backwards to try and give away.

Labonte18
11-29-2022, 12:39 PM
I'm going to throw some doubt at the family mentioned above. If they were aware of the case and believed he was family I have to believe that they would have done more than just videotape the segment for grandma to try and get their rightful claim on that money, which the local authorities were bending over backwards to try and give away.

Well.. Jim Rice didn't need the money. And.. I actually came across his parents grave last week.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/52949788/roger-e-rice

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/116850781/julia-mae-rice

So.. Jim's parents, at least.. His father who would be a blood relative, had passed away before Walter.

Queena
12-31-2022, 01:02 PM
I'm going to throw some doubt at the family mentioned above. If they were aware of the case and believed he was family I have to believe that they would have done more than just videotape the segment for grandma to try and get their rightful claim on that money, which the local authorities were bending over backwards to try and give away.



I would have thought that too. Then I remembered reading about other cases on UM that ignored information from family members. The Tondevold family comes to mind. That man was well-known and had a huge career in fashion. UM ignored all of his family members phone calls.

infinityluxe
12-31-2022, 03:40 PM
I would have thought that too. Then I remembered reading about other cases on UM that ignored information from family members. The Tondevold family comes to mind. That man was well-known and had a huge career in fashion. UM ignored all of his family members phone calls.

Ellen McClung Berry's segment is among my top 10 segments. I never grow tired of watching it. It would make a great tv film.

Very good articles on DT:

https://americancrimejournal.com/the-legend-of-dan-tondevold-part-1/

https://americancrimejournal.com/the-redemption-of-dan-tondevold-part-2/

Queena
01-03-2023, 12:41 PM
Ellen McClung Berry's segment is among my top 10 segments. I never grow tired of watching it. It would make a great tv film.

Very good articles on DT:

https://americancrimejournal.com/the-legend-of-dan-tondevold-part-1/

https://americancrimejournal.com/the-redemption-of-dan-tondevold-part-2/


That's the articles that I read. I learned so much about the fashion industry.