In my city, I can't believe the amount of people who are smoking. After all the stuff they say about smoking, the costs, the health problems, the weight gain or loss, the taste loss, the yellow teeth, wrinkles...people still do it. At my college, these young people (between 18 and 25) already are smoking like chimneys. Every time i want to enter a building, there are like 10 people at the door smoking and i pretty much smoke a whole cigarrette without even trying while entering the building.

My fiance works with someone who smokes. For his job he has to drive a truck to several locations, and he told me this guy will smoke the whole time he is driving. He lights one after the other. So my fiance has to smoke about 1000 packs a day and it's not fair. I'm wondering if there is a law on this or something. This should be illegal if it isn't already. It's just as bad as forcing someone to smoke weed.

I don't understand it either. If you're that stupid, fine, slowly kill yourself. But don't take me with you.

I don't understand it either. If you're that stupid, fine, slowly kill yourself. But don't take me with you.

You could say that secondhand smoke is attempted murder in a way, lol. My great-grandpa smoked, his wife didn't smoke a day in her life, but his wife was the one who died of complications from it.

Before i was in a relationship, I remember being at the mall or something and seeing a cute guy. Then he went outside and lit a cigarrette and it changed my view of him quickly.

Good marketing.

It's not that easy to quite. Nicotine is a highly addictive chemical. I know people that fully understand the risks but can't seem to quit.

Before i was in a relationship, I remember being at the mall or something and seeing a cute guy. Then he went outside and lit a cigarrette and it changed my view of him quickly.

Oh yeah, total turn off.

You could say that secondhand smoke is attempted murder in a way, lol. My great-grandpa smoked, his wife didn't smoke a day in her life, but his wife was the one who died of complications from it.

Before i was in a relationship, I remember being at the mall or something and seeing a cute guy. Then he went outside and lit a cigarrette and it changed my view of him quickly.
Attempted murder? Can you be any more dramatic, lol. I'm sure your fiance's co-worker would have to stop smoking if he was told to by HR. People can't smoke indoors or in public anymore, or it's a miracle to find a place where they can. You obviously hate smoking, and that's your right. It's militant non-smokers, such as yourself, that bother me. They treat smokers as if they're second-rate citizens. Some people just picked the habit up young and can't beat it. Some of my good friends smoke, as do relatives, including my stepson. I think it's a disgusting habit myself, and my lung cancer claimed my mother's life, as she smoked probably three packs a day.

Given that, I'm not going to talk smokers down as if they're lowlifes or animals. I hate smoking, but I don't hate the smokers. As a former smoker myself, who quit 20 years ago, I see both sides of it. Some anti-smoking zealots want to have it banned completely. They piss me off more than the smokers.

When I was a teen, smoking was almost eliminated and even in school you could count the smokers on one hand (Litterally, there was a little courtyard for them and you saw them there at lunch time...all 4-5 of them; sadly, after years of the message getting through, the smoking lobby started playing hardball with product placement in movies and rode the wave of the whole "Break the rules" advertising movement directed at young kids, and even though cigarette advertising was banned, on TV, the "its cool, it breaks the rules " image of smoking got to the kids (possibly because it WAS banned). Most of the smokers i see in this town are 10-19 , ironically 19 is the age when it becomes legal here in Canada.

I'll say this about second hand smoke, you can smoke around me , if im allowed to choke you with a wire , cause thats how it feels for me when anyone smokes around me.....Smokers say non-smokers coughs are fake cause they are quiet , but, thats my throat constricting, not fake.

Before anyone gets upset, i dont ACTUALLY want to choke anyone, that was just for comparison purposes ;)

Hey Janice (And i ask this in seriously) since you managed to stop smoking (And congrats on that), do you have any stop smoking advice for Tara and anyone else whod like to quit? (I myself have severe asthma and never started, thankfully)

Hey Janice (And i ask this in seriously) since you managed to stop smoking (And congrats on that), do you have any stop smoking advice for Tara and anyone else whod like to quit? (I myself have severe asthma and never started, thankfully)
Thanks Mikey, but unfortunately, I don't. I always told myself that when the day came that I went over a pack a day, that I would quit. That happened at the same time that I kept getting that heavy chest feeling. I had quit maybe three times over the decade, never lasting for more than a couple of weeks. The final and successful 'quit' wasn't planned.

It was in April of 1988, a Tuesday night, and I was up alone watching Letterman, his old show. My husband was sleeping. I was smoking a cigarette, loved those Newport Lights, lol. Out of the blue, I said to myself that I was going to quit after that cigarette. Then I did! It was the wildest thing. Just spontaneous cold turkey. No cravings, no weight gain...never looked back.

I'm not a particulary religious person. I'm a believer, but I don't go to church or think about religion often. Yet, I always had a sense that this was a gift from God. As if the smoking desire was lifted right out of my body. There you have it. It's my story, and I guess I'm sticking with it. ;)

You could say that secondhand smoke is attempted murder in a way, lol. My great-grandpa smoked, his wife didn't smoke a day in her life, but his wife was the one who died of complications from it.

Before i was in a relationship, I remember being at the mall or something and seeing a cute guy. Then he went outside and lit a cigarrette and it changed my view of him quickly.


Not that I'm for smoking - obviously it isn't good. But google the study that the cancer society bases their campaign on second hand smoke on sometime. It was totally bogus and overblown. There is NO evidence that second hand smoke kills - NONE. Other than it being nasty to smell and be around - it isn't deadly. If that were the case, then my cats should have died of cancer, etc. long ago. I've never lost one to anything like that and if anything, most of my cats have lived close to 20 years.

How do you know that your grandpa's wife died directly as a result of his smoking? They can't prove it at all. She could have well died of the same thing whether she was with him or not. Look at the people who get lung cancer like Dana Reeve who never smoked a day in her life or lived with a smoker. Sorry - that excuse just doesn't fly.

More than anything they should ban vehicles - especially buses etc. - they give off a lot more carbon monoxide than a few smokers ever do.

I don't smoke but i have alot of friend's that do, it is extremely hard to quit trust me i have seen alot of them try. These day's people are not getting second-hand smoke because smoking has been banned in club's pubs work area's and many more place's. If any of my friend's come over to my place they alway's smoke outside, so i never breathe any of their second-hand smoke in. Plus if people want to smoke it's up to them at the end of the day. :)

Attempted murder? Can you be any more dramatic, lol. I'm sure your fiance's co-worker would have to stop smoking if he was told to by HR. People can't smoke indoors or in public anymore, or it's a miracle to find a place where they can. You obviously hate smoking, and that's your right. It's militant non-smokers, such as yourself, that bother me. They treat smokers as if they're second-rate citizens. Some people just picked the habit up young and can't beat it. Some of my good friends smoke, as do relatives, including my stepson. I think it's a disgusting habit myself, and my lung cancer claimed my mother's life, as she smoked probably three packs a day.

Given that, I'm not going to talk smokers down as if they're lowlifes or animals. I hate smoking, but I don't hate the smokers. As a former smoker myself, who quit 20 years ago, I see both sides of it. Some anti-smoking zealots want to have it banned completely. They piss me off more than the smokers.


Very well said!

I have been smoking on and off for years. Do I enjoy a cigarette once and a awhile, yes, but it is extremely hard to quit. It is true, nowadays a smoker is treated like a second class citizen. If it was easy just to stop, I would. It ain't like that though.

It ****ing pisses me off when people bitch and moan about smokers. Did I choose to become a smoker? Yes I did, but I was 16 at the time. I thought it was cool.

Smoking is so difficult to quit; trust me, if I could, I would quit right now, but, unforunately, I am addicted to this disgusting habit, and trust me, it is not something that I am very proud of; do I wish I had to will power to walk away from cigarettes, you beat. I would give them up in a New York second, but it is very easier said than done. I know cigarettes are gross, expensive, etc. The list in endless, but it one of the hardest habits to break. I for one, never smoke in front of non-smokers. I do not even smoke in my car or in my house; nor, do I smoke around people. I generally smoke with other smokers. Is it a stupid habit, you bet, but, it is a burden that I must deal with, sooner than later; trust me, I have tried to quit many many and I mean, many of times, and I also run to 7-11 and buy a pack..if I could have a magic wand and cast a spell over me to end this habit, I would; just remember, yes, it is a gross habit, but terribly hard to let go of. I admire people who had the endurance and the motivation to finally kick the habit and to become non-smokers. I just wish I had that enormous will power...


Tara, I am with you. Maybe we can help eachother kick the habit? Sort of like SO therapy. lol ;) It is really hard though.

Luckily the smoking police hasn't gotten here yet. You can still smoke outside and in buildings around where I live. They still have restaurants where they'll ask you if you want a smoking section or not. Their is no evidence that second hand smoking kills. If it's so bad then the government should make it illegal ( which they never will) , but they shouldn't treat smokers like criminals. I don't smoke. I have asthma so I never had any need for cigarettes. Never wanted to try one. My Parents smoked though. My Dad quit smoking 30 years ago and has never had one since. My Mom smoked until the day she died. She had breathing problems at the end....was it caused by smoking? It could have been. We all tried to get her to quit but she couldn't. For some people it is a real hard habit to break. And she was the kindest and most generous person you would ever meet. She was not breaking any laws. Well anyway that's my 2 cents.....

When I was a teen, smoking was almost eliminated and even in school you could count the smokers on one hand (Litterally, there was a little courtyard for them and you saw them there at lunch time...all 4-5 of them; sadly, after years of the message getting through, the smoking lobby started playing hardball with product placement in movies and rode the wave of the whole "Break the rules" advertising movement directed at young kids, and even though cigarette advertising was banned, on TV, the "its cool, it breaks the rules " image of smoking got to the kids (possibly because it WAS banned). Most of the smokers i see in this town are 10-19 , ironically 19 is the age when it becomes legal here in Canada.
When I was in HS they had a smoking area designated so students would have a place to go and smoke. I think they did away with that a few years after I graduated. I remember though that the area was always packed with smokers.

It's not that easy to quite. Nicotine is a highly addictive chemical. I know people that fully understand the risks but can't seem to quit.

I hope that your not including yourself in the "people you know" category

It's not that easy to quite. Nicotine is a highly addictive chemical. I know people that fully understand the risks but can't seem to quit.
I smoked for over 20 years and quitting was the toughest thing I've done.

I used to be a smoker; a casual one but, as soon as I turned 35; I quit.
I had to because I'm on the pill, and if you are a woman 35 or older on the pill; you are not supposed to smoke cause you can have health problems.

I have two friends who have asthma, and they still smoke. I have other friends who smoke too, that's their choice. I choose not to because I care about my health, it's too expensive, and I care about others around me.

Maybe, one day there will be less non smokers around than there are now.
If not, we have to live with it unfortunately.

Some anti-smoking zealots want to have it banned completely. They piss me off more than the smokers.
Amen to that!
I don't smoke; never have. But if a business wants to permit smoking, let them. Do we live in the land of the free, or the land of how certain people want you to live?!
I've been seeing alot of opinion letters in the paper from whiners saying, "Minnesota has a smoking ban, it's time Wisconsin caught up and had one too!":crybaby:

Since when do we have to "catch up" to what Minnesota does?! Are we our own state, or are we a follower?! Who the *Bleep* cares what some other state does!! If they want to live in a socialist state, bully for them!

If you don't want to go to a restaurant or bar that allows smoking, then don't go to that one! Find one that's smoke-free, or open one if you are that much of a smoke-o-phobe!

i don't smoke myself but i feel it is one's personal choice. as long as they don't do it around me in the process, then so be it

Attempted murder? Can you be any more dramatic, lol. I'm sure your fiance's co-worker would have to stop smoking if he was told to by HR. People can't smoke indoors or in public anymore, or it's a miracle to find a place where they can. You obviously hate smoking, and that's your right. It's militant non-smokers, such as yourself, that bother me. They treat smokers as if they're second-rate citizens. Some people just picked the habit up young and can't beat it. Some of my good friends smoke, as do relatives, including my stepson. I think it's a disgusting habit myself, and my lung cancer claimed my mother's life, as she smoked probably three packs a day.

Given that, I'm not going to talk smokers down as if they're lowlifes or animals. I hate smoking, but I don't hate the smokers. As a former smoker myself, who quit 20 years ago, I see both sides of it. Some anti-smoking zealots want to have it banned completely. They piss me off more than the smokers.


Uh, no, I do not think of smokers as second class citizens thank you. My grandpa smokes, and it cost him his spleen a few years ago, and he still continues to smoke. It is damn hard to quit, because i know he would if he could since his health was in danger. I'm just merely stating that i wish smokers would have more consideration and do their smoking outside rather than inside of a building/truck with non-smokers. My younger sister has really bad asthma, and in my state they have just passed the no-smoking law in restaurants. My family was glad, because we could hardly bring my sister to a restaurant without her having asthma attacks.

So yeah, if anyone thinks I actually hate smokers, that is the most stupid accusation. I posted this more as a vent than anything, I do not hate anyone because of the choices they make, I just want to protect those who cannot handle the smoke (such as my fiance).

i don't smoke myself but i feel it is one's personal choice. as long as they don't do it around me in the process, then so be it

Exactly. I wouldn't go far enough to say i wish it was banned, because i don't. I don't care if there is "no connection between second hand smoke and deaths" but apparently, even if it isn't killing anyone, it is giving my sister asthma attacks, and causing Mikado and other people breathing problems.

I used to smoke like a chimney! It calmed my nerves at the time. I haven't lit up in almost a year now and it was VERY tough to quit.

My thing is "to each his own" If you wanna smoke, go right ahead. If you don't like smoking, don't give hell to the people who do. It's our right as human beings to do whatever we please as long as it's legal.

Exactly. I wouldn't go far enough to say i wish it was banned, because i don't. I don't care if there is "no connection between second hand smoke and deaths" but apparently, even if it isn't killing anyone, it is giving my sister asthma attacks, and causing Mikado and other people breathing problems.

I agree i have asthma and allergies too so smoking bothers me and my mom too. I don't have anything against people who smoke I understand that's there choice but I agree because I want to stay healthy.

I have been smoking for a year and a half now. I am not proud of it but it is very hard to quit, especially with everyone around you telling you how gross you are. Just this week my sister was making fun of my smoking and had her friends doing it too. I find when that happens, that makes me do it even more. Hopefully I will be able to quit this habit, but I hate how smokers are put in a whole other universe because of a choice we made.

My Sister just smoke's when she has had a drink, she has done it for year's. She has never craved a cig's in the day or when she hasn't drank. Strange because aren't you suppose to be addicted after the first few cig's???

I don't understand it either. If you're that stupid, fine, slowly kill yourself. But don't take me with you.
i agree.

My thing is "to each his own" If you wanna smoke, go right ahead. If you don't like smoking, don't give hell to the people who do. It's our right as human beings to do whatever we please as long as it's legal.
Fine, as long as you do it on the Moon, where it doesnt affect me...or, if you absolutely need your niccotine, get the patch, or chewing tobacco, If you want to kill yourself needlessly, I have no prob with that, as long as i dont have to be bothered. As for no evidence about the dangers of 2nd hand smoke, the only studies that said there werent any, were sposored by tobacco companies (go figure). I have severe asthma and liquid in my lungs from 30 years of being around my formerly chain smoking parents.
When people smoke around me, the feeling is as if i were being choked by a thin wire.....I'll stop bitching at people smoking around me the day they agree that being choked is pleasurable. (And then they'll have to prove it)

I don't smoke and I don't ever plan to. Have I been tempted to try it? Yes, but after reading a lot of info on the effects of smoking, seeing pictures and knowing that I lost two people that I love, I decided not to. It would also break my mother's heart if I did start smoking, since she lost her brother and father due to it. I also want to enjoy life as much as possible and as healthy as possible.


I have a friend who smokes and we get along just fine, he never smokes when I'm around. He's trying to quit though (Im hoping he does eventually).

Fine, as long as you do it on the Moon, where it doesnt affect me...or, if you absolutely need your niccotine, get the patch, or chewing tobacco, If you want to kill yourself needlessly, I have no prob with that, as long as i dont have to be bothered. As for no evidence about the dangers of 2nd hand smoke, the only studies that said there werent any, were sposored by tobacco companies (go figure). I have severe asthma and liquid in my lungs from 30 years of being around my formerly chain smoking parents.
When people smoke around me, the feeling is as if i were being choked by a thin wire.....I'll stop bitching at people smoking around me the day they agree that being choked is pleasurable. (And then they'll have to prove it)

I never said there was no proof that second hand smoke kills, that was someone else. My great-grandmother died from second hand smoke, but it was from my great-grandfather who smoked in the house for years. You have to be in close contact with someone on a regular basis to get sick from second hand smoke. I'm sorry, but sitting by someone who is smoking in a restaurant for 30 minutes will not kill you unless you have major asthma or something like that.

Fine, as long as you do it on the Moon, where it doesnt affect me...
Oh please, the moon. :rolleyes: I don't see anyone smoking in public places anymore. They can smoke outside, or are you one of those who want it made illegal?

http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/secondhandsmoke/factsheets/factsheet6.html

yes, there are more dangers in second-hand smoke than just the unpleasant scent.

if people want to smoke in their homes or whatever, fine, but it should honestly be banned in public, except for designated smoking areas. one could say "oh well they can just leave if they don't like it!" but everyone has the right to go to in public without having to inhale health-endangering filth.

Oh please, the moon. :rolleyes: I don't see anyone smoking in public places anymore. They can smoke outside, or are you one of those who want it made illegal?
Well, unless they are smoking in 100 mph winds blowing away from me, it still makes me choke and can set off my asthma, so, yeah, I'd be perfectly happy with it being illegal. :lol:

I never said there was no proof that second hand smoke kills, that was someone else.I know Lauren, i was just using your post as a springboard to answer many posts at once

Fine, as long as you do it on the Moon, where it doesnt affect me...
You can't smoke on the Moon. No atmosphere or oxygen.

http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/secondhandsmoke/factsheets/factsheet6.html

but everyone has the right to go to in public without having to inhale health-endangering filth.
exactly!

Well, unless they are smoking in 100 mph winds blowing away from me, it still makes me choke and can set off my asthma, so, yeah, I'd be perfectly happy with it being illegal. :lol:
You want everything made illegal. Guns, smoking, violence on tv. Let me get guess though, abortion is fine and dandy with you? Choice is only allowed if you agree with the choice.

You want everything made illegal. Guns, smoking, violence on tv. Let me get guess though, abortion is fine and dandy with you? Choice is only allowed if you agree with the choice.

Well said! :clap

You want everything made illegal. Guns, smoking, violence on tv. Let me get guess though, abortion is fine and dandy with you? Choice is only allowed if you agree with the choice.
Well, while its totally off topic, I'm basically against abortion, unless the life of the mother is in danger, or in the case of a child being made pregnant...or in rape cases.(Just for the record)

I don't understand it either. If you're that stupid, fine, slowly kill yourself. But don't take me with you.


Exactly how is it that we're taking you with us? Research it properly - the studies are BOGUS B.S. There is no evidence that second hand smoke is dangerous to anyone.
Penn & Teller also did a special on this - google it. The American Cancer Society jumped on the bandwagon even and that's where it became assumed that it had to be true because its so highly respected. Sorry - not so. It's become urban legend and laws are being forced down our throats by it.

Now even I'm for not smoking in public buildings (although I wasn't at first), but it has cut me back and the air certainly does SMELL better but it's starting to go too far. I think bars should be allowed at least a smoking section that's properly ventilated (which many did become and spent thousands on). I know plenty of people who don't normally smoke, but they do when drink. Drinking kills too ya know. Lost my father to it. And if anything, they're loosening the laws (at least up here) for alcohol. And the studies regarding alcohol killing both firsthand AND secondhand are all legit.

Well, while its totally off topic, I'm basically against abortion, unless the life of the mother is in danger, or in the case of a child being made pregnant...or in rape cases.(Just for the record)


Tell us you feel that way when YOU'RE the one carrying that child and having to deal with the consequences for the remainder of your life. (didn't mean that to sound harsh, but it's my standard answer to men - they cannot fully appreciate the maternal instinct and hormonally what women go through).

I hardly think Penn & teller are experts in the medical feild , Cathie ...I know what my parents smoking around me for all those years did for my poor lungs.

Tell us you feel that way when YOU'RE the one carrying that child and having to deal with the consequences for the remainder of your life. (didn't mean that to sound harsh, but it's my standard answer to men - they cannot fully appreciate the maternal instinct and hormonally what women go through).
Well, then, going by that standard, how can a smoker, or former smoker tell me how their second-hand smoke affects or doesnt affect me? I've never smoked in my life, people who do or have at one time have no idea what its like being at a wedding reception, for instance, and feeling like my lungs are on fire, choking and getting a huge headache, that takes a couple days to go away.

I know one thing. I was out all day today. I went to the mall, out for dinner, in and out of stores all day. Not once was I inconvenienced by a smoker. I never even saw one. That's what gets me. Smokers can't even smoke in public, and some people are still raking them over the coals. What the hell do people want, have them shot at sundown? Smokers aren't taking anybody with them.

When I was in HS they had a smoking area designated so students would have a place to go and smoke. I think they did away with that a few years after I graduated. I remember though that the area was always packed with smokers.

Same here, My High School shop class actually built the smoking shelter. :rolleyes:

I tried smoking when I was 14 because it seemed like all the popular kids smoked and I guess I wanted to be like them but I didn't like it. I got about half way thru one cancer stick and threw the remainder of the pack in the trash and never touched another.

Anyway Cathie, i wasnt the one who brought abortion up in the first place, go argue with Janice :lol:

Anyway, I've had it with this thread.....have fun fighting, peeps! :wave:

Well, then, going by that standard, how can a smoker, or former smoker tell me how their second-hand smoke affects or doesnt affect me? I've never smoked in my life, people who do or have at one time have no idea what its like being at a wedding reception, for instance, and feeling like my lungs are on fire, choking and getting a huge headache, that takes a couple days to go away.

You don't know that, they might have an idea. My grandfather smoked my entire life and my grandparents practically raised me growing up, I was there all the time. I wasn't a smoker when I was 4 or 5 years old. I remember coughing and my eyes burning when I was around him for a long time. He died from smoking 4 years ago.

You can't compare the two. Men will NEVER understand what it's like to give birth, period, but some smokers or former smokers do understand what it's like to be on the other end.

Smoking was still his decision, I had no right to tell him not to. If people want to smoke even though it can be hazardous to their health, they have every right to do so.

I hardly think Penn & teller are experts in the medical feild , Cathie ...I know what my parents smoking around me for all those years did for my poor lungs.
Yea and my parents smoked around me too and I have asthma. Then again they smoked around both my sisters and they are perfectly healthy. How come I was the only one that was affected? I don't like having smoke blown on me either and yes it has happened to me , but as long as its legal smokers have rights too. I don't think it's up to the government to ban smoking in restaurants...that should be up to the owner. If you don't like smoking then go to another restaurant. I am with Cathie as far as public buildings are concerned. I can understand that. But telling people that they can only smoke in their homes is ridiculous. It's big brother trying to tell people how to live.

Well, then, going by that standard, how can a smoker, or former smoker tell me how their second-hand smoke affects or doesnt affect me? I've never smoked in my life, people who do or have at one time have no idea what its like being at a wedding reception, for instance, and feeling like my lungs are on fire, choking and getting a huge headache, that takes a couple days to go away.
You can't smoke at wedding receptions around here. You can't smoke anywhere here. That's why I get aggravated. Non-smokers got their way, and smokers can't smoke anywhere, and they still bitch.

Most food we eat and drink are cancerous, the **** we breathe in daily also.
When you light your oven...when you fry a steak, the world is cancerous.

http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/secondhandsmoke/factsheets/factsheet6.html

yes, there are more dangers in second-hand smoke than just the unpleasant scent.

if people want to smoke in their homes or whatever, fine, but it should honestly be banned in public, except for designated smoking areas. one could say "oh well they can just leave if they don't like it!" but everyone has the right to go to in public without having to inhale health-endangering filth.


You mention the designated smoking areas but junecleaver was complaing about those in her initial post on this thread. That's what starts getting through to smokers. We've been pushed outside to look like idiots standing there in bad weather, with street fumes blowing up, etc. - fine. But then to start on us about us smoking even outside is getting a little hysterical isn't it? I mean, the laws in Toronto now are so bad that you can't smoke in an outdoor cafe because they consider the umbrellas and "ceilings". Like the smoke is trapped under the umbrella? Give me a break and bite me. They're also wanting to introduce a law where it's illegal to smoke in your car. Where does all this end? As long as it's still legal, and the government is making money off it (and boy DO they), then stop the hypocrytical crappola.

You mention the designated smoking areas but junecleaver was complaing about those in her initial post on this thread. That's what starts getting through to smokers. We've been pushed outside to look like idiots standing there in bad weather, with street fumes blowing up, etc. - fine. But then to start on us about us smoking even outside is getting a little hysterical isn't it? I mean, the laws in Toronto now are so bad that you can't smoke in an outdoor cafe because they consider the umbrellas and "ceilings". Like the smoke is trapped under the umbrella? Give me a break and bite me. They're also wanting to introduce a law where it's illegal to smoke in your car. Where does all this end? As long as it's still legal, and the government is making money off it (and boy DO they), then stop the hypocrytical crappola.

Next thing you know the government will be telling us that we don't have the right to discipline our own children by spanking them :rolleyes: Where is it going to end?

Most food we eat and drink are cancerous, the **** we breathe in daily also.
When you light your oven...when you fry a steak, the world is cancerous.
Heck, I got behind a truck one time and the fumes almost caused me to pass out. My glands were swollen and I had to pull over on the side of the road to get some fresh air. . Why isn't their an outcry over that. :rolleyes: Their's penty of pollutants in this world.

Heck, I got behind a truck one time and the fumes almost caused me to pass out. My glands were swollen and I had to pull over on the side of the road to get some fresh air. . Why isn't their an outcry over that. :rolleyes: Their's penty of pollutants in this world.

Exactly, smokers are the least of our worries

Exactly, smokers are the least of our worries

My point exactly. If you're going to bitch about smoking, why not all the other issues in the world?

Fine, as long as you do it on the Moon, where it doesnt affect me...or, if you absolutely need your niccotine, get the patch, or chewing tobacco, If you want to kill yourself needlessly, I have no prob with that, as long as i dont have to be bothered. As for no evidence about the dangers of 2nd hand smoke, the only studies that said there werent any, were sposored by tobacco companies (go figure). I have severe asthma and liquid in my lungs from 30 years of being around my formerly chain smoking parents.
When people smoke around me, the feeling is as if i were being choked by a thin wire.....I'll stop bitching at people smoking around me the day they agree that being choked is pleasurable. (And then they'll have to prove it)

Uh, no, I do not think of smokers as second class citizens thank you.

Yeah, just have them tried to attempted murder. You militants kills me. :lol:

Well, then, going by that standard, how can a smoker, or former smoker tell me how their second-hand smoke affects or doesnt affect me? I've never smoked in my life, people who do or have at one time have no idea what its like being at a wedding reception, for instance, and feeling like my lungs are on fire, choking and getting a huge headache, that takes a couple days to go away.


I know that EXACT feeling Mike. I've been asthmatic since I was age 2. I started smoking at 14. Both my parents smoked (heavily) and both older brothers. I'm sure it was because of that I started smoking, yet I hated smelling my parents' smoke. We were made to sit in a CLOSED car with my parents smoking on road trips. O.k. - I totally agree that it's gross, but it's no worse than being in traffic. And I'm sure you're exposed a much shorter period of time walking past a smoker than you are being in traffic.

I'll never forget the weekend I started inhaling. I ended up with a migraine and was sick to my stomach for the entire May 2-4 weekend but back then, 1975 it was considered more "cool" - I'll admit it. Plus the family influence - I kept it up. You get over that and hooked in nothing flat - at least I did. If you don't think this ADDICTION - it ain't just a habit - it's a full-fledged, legally backed addiction that is just as, or more addictive than HEROIN - but do you see the government offering us rehab? No - if anything, the patch is one of the few drugs that healthcare insurance won't cover!!! WHY? If its going to get us off cigarettes, then it should lower longterm, serious healthcare costs across the board right? The gov't are hypocrites. Doing all this propaganda to pacify self interest groups who lobby them.

That said, I've tried to quit a million times - patch twice, hypnotherapy, accupuncture, Zyban twice, cold turkey a few times, backing off a few times - including a cancer scare a couple of years ago. I watched my father drop dead of a heart attack at age 54 (I was 19) and my mother slowly die of emphysema, but do you think I can still do it? I hate myself sometimes but really folks, you who've never experienced this addiction, have NO idea what it is like. When you hear of a celebrity with a bad coke addiction (like Robert Downey Jr.) or something like that, everyone roots for them. But God help you if you smoke! You're scum right?!

If you read my other post, I said that I'm now in agreement with the ban in public buildings (other than maybe sectioned off - properly - areas in bars). Or have smoking and non-smoking bars and restuarants - leave it up to the owner's choice to make it one or the other. If it's true that people would prefer the non-smoking establishments then they'll eat there, and the other guys will either go out of business or have to change over their format too - I'm just saying that the gov't shouldn't be shoving more laws on rights down our throats.

I don't smoke and I don't ever plan to. Have I been tempted to try it? Yes, but after reading a lot of info on the effects of smoking, seeing pictures and knowing that I lost two people that I love, I decided not to. It would also break my mother's heart if I did start smoking, since she lost her brother and father due to it. I also want to enjoy life as much as possible and as healthy as possible.


I have a friend who smokes and we get along just fine, he never smokes when I'm around. He's trying to quit though (Im hoping he does eventually).



You are an EXTREMELY intelligent person. The best way is to avoid it altogether. I just don't know why anyone these days would want to ever start smoking with the stigma attached to it (along with everything else).

And you're friend sounds like most smokers these days - they do respect their friends and don't smoke around them. :)

:wave:

:wave:

:rofl: :uplol: :lol:

Anyway Cathie, i wasnt the one who brought abortion up in the first place, go argue with Janice :lol:

Anyway, I've had it with this thread.....have fun fighting, peeps! :wave:


Who said anyone here was fighting Mike??? It's debating. And you mention you were being attacked on your 225~ thread? Hardly - reread some of the comments in your posts - sounds like you were "attacking" smokers to me. And you have in other threads in the past about how you'd NEVER consider dating a girl who smoked - fine you made your point. It's not like we have hidden dicks or anything! ;)

It's not like we have hidden dicks or anything! ;)


:rotflmao: :rofl: Nice! ;)

I'll stop bitching at people smoking around me the day they agree that being choked is pleasurable. (And then they'll have to prove it)


Actually there are a lot of people who get off on that! Watch CSI sometime - they've done a few shows on it. ;)

I never said there was no proof that second hand smoke kills, that was someone else. My great-grandmother died from second hand smoke, but it was from my great-grandfather who smoked in the house for years. You have to be in close contact with someone on a regular basis to get sick from second hand smoke. I'm sorry, but sitting by someone who is smoking in a restaurant for 30 minutes will not kill you unless you have major asthma or something like that.


Well then I'm living proof of a miracle. Had asthma (and it was severe - along with allergies to just about everything)since I was 2. Four other family members smoked around me almost that entire time. Yes, I'm still asthmatic, but I'm not nearly as bad as I once was. I've now smoked steadily for 33 years.

I'm not saying something can't happen - it probably will whether I'm able to quit soon (which I am trying again) or not, but 30 mins. ain't going to do it - sorry - I don't care what studies have shown recently. The old flawed studies (and it was more than tobacco sponsored - the EPA's study was flawed) were eventually proven false by this new study, so who's to say more studies won't debuke it again. Look at the supposed benefits of coffee or wine - one week their great for you the next, they'll kill us all tomorrow.:rolleyes:

Actually there are a lot of people who get off on that! Watch CSI sometime - they've done a few shows on it. ;)

Oh no, she didn't! :lol: :notworthy

Well then I'm living proof of a miracle. Had asthma (and it was severe - along with allergies to just about everything)since I was 2. Four other family members smoked around me almost that entire time. Yes, I'm still asthmatic, but I'm not nearly as bad as I once was. I've now smoked steadily for 33 years.

I'm not saying something can't happen - it probably will whether I'm able to quit soon (which I am trying again) or not, but 30 mins. ain't going to do it - sorry - I don't care what studies have shown recently. The old flawed studies (and it was more than tobacco sponsored - the EPA's study was flawed) were eventually proven false by this new study, so who's to say more studies won't debuke it again. Look at the supposed benefits of coffee or wine - one week their great for you the next, they'll kill us all tomorrow.:rolleyes:

My point exactly. A few minutes ain't gonna kill ya.

It's not like we have hidden dicks or anything! ;)
Shhhhhh, don't give away all the secrets. :lol:

Is smoking allowed in this thread?

Is smoking allowed in this thread?

:rotflmao: HOLY **** Janice!! :brent

Shhhhhh, don't give away all the secrets. :lol:


Ya - wait 'til they find out.......that OTHER thing too!!! :eek: :lol:

Is smoking allowed in this thread?


Now THAT'S multitasking! ;)

Ya - wait 'til they find out.......that OTHER thing too!!! :eek: :lol:

CATHIE! You swore you'd never bring that up! :eek: :lol:

CATHIE! You swore you'd never bring that up! :eek: :lol:


:blush: Oops - sorry - weak moment there.

Is smoking allowed in this thread?

:lol:

:blush: Oops - sorry - weak moment there.

:nonono: Don't let it happen again! ;)

Now THAT'S multitasking! ;)
Here's more. I wish I could find one with a fattening dinner, but oh well. :lol:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070323/070323_drinksmoke_hmed_6p.hmedium.jpg

This thread is smoking. :lol:

Is smoking allowed in this thread?
Why yes it is! :lol:
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k129/AndrewF_01/cigs.jpg


Anyway, I don't smoke nor will I ever...but it doesn't bother me. Keep the smoking outside and away from any kids and I'm okay with it. Around here almost every place you go has lots of people standing outside smoking so if I let it bother me I'd be annoyed almost 24/7.

Why yes it is! :lol:
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k129/AndrewF_01/cigs.jpg


Damn! That's quite an accomplishment! :lol:

Damn! That's quite an accomplishment! :lol:
:lol: He must have one huge mouth! Love the new name girl! I need to change mine...again.

This thread is smoking. :lol:

http://www.artisticint.com/files/smokesignalcomm.gif

None of them are lit? Amatuer's

Love the new name girl! I need to change mine...again.

Thanks Chick! I love it too! :D

Why yes it is! :lol:
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k129/AndrewF_01/cigs.jpg


Anyway, I don't smoke nor will I ever...but it doesn't bother me. Keep the smoking outside and away from any kids and I'm okay with it. Around here almost every place you go has lots of people standing outside smoking so if I let it bother me I'd be annoyed almost 24/7.
:brent

? How is that funny??? That is like pissing in the wind

Thanks Chick! I love it too! :D
I love your avatar and your new screen name. :thumbsup:

I love your avatar and your new screen name. :thumbsup:

:bighug: Thanks Janice! ;) :D

None of them are lit? Amatuer's


Actually, it looks as though a few were, but went out. Where's this guy's lung power? Geez - as you say - amatuer! lol

Funny though - they used to have contests like that in the 70s a lot. It's in the Guiness book of records too. Now I'd really be impressed if he could do something like that at the "opposite end"!! :brent:

i cant believe the amount of people that still most with their children around.

i cant believe the amount of people that still most with their children around.


So the parks in North Carolina are enclosed with walls and roofs are they?

i cant believe the amount of people that still most with their children around.
Nothing angers me more than when adults smoke around kids. Holy crap it's ridiculous.

With a hidey lidey lidey and a hidey lidey lay
We work and we make cigarettes all hidey lidey day
So folks can get a breaky from their stressful lidey lives
And relaxy with the cigarettes we make all day and night

I like to have a cigarehette every now and then
It makes me feel calmer when the day is at an end
And if it gives me cancer when I'm eighty I don't care
Who the hell wants to be ninety anyway?

So the parks in North Carolina are enclosed with walls and roofs are they?
I think she means people who smoke around their children like in cars, in their homes, in enclosed spaces where children have no choice.


I don't smoke. My family members don't smoke. My boyfriend was a smoker when I met him. puke:
God, I couldn't stand seeing him smoke. He never finished a full cigarette, but he would almost finish a pack in one and half days. I would tell him what he could do with that money if he didn't buy cigarettes. When he would visit my home, he wasn't allowed to smoke inside. He would never smoke in the car if I was with him. Basically, if I was around, he would never smoke in my presence. He'd go outside. Finally when I was pregnant, he quit cold turkey. He didn't want to smoke around our child when he was born. I give my boyfriend kudos for doing something that was so hard for him to do. It is an addiction and like any other addiction, it is not easy to just quit. Some people are able to quit cold turkey, others need a patch, others need more. Some never quit. Just like drug addicts or alcoholics. As long as the companies continue to give the impression smoking is cool, smoking will be here FOREVER.

I can attest that with all the smoking bans in public places, play yards, parks, etc. it has made a change. I realize how much better it is to be in a restaurant and not have to deal with smoke. I knew how much a difference there was when me and my boyfriend went to an indian casino and also when we went to Las Vegas. Man, being around people while they smoke and play the casino games was horrible. My eyes were burning, I was coughing, it was bad. BUT, that is the life of going to Vegas, casinos and other places where smoking is allowed. It is all abt money, and if those places ban smoking, they are losing out on $$$$$$. So, I take it all with stride. I visit those places, I don't live there. At home when I am shopping or eating out, I realize how lucky we are to have smoking banned in certain places. We can't ban smoking everywhere, but where it is banned already, certainly has made it easier and a lot whole better.

As for my boyfriend, he is glad he quit. He realizes now when he is around a smoker how bad they smell and the other effects of smoking. He says his breathing is better and he has more money in his pocket. :lol:

Nothing angers me more than when adults smoke around kids. Holy crap it's ridiculous.


Indoors and in cars - I totally agree. What's worse is when older kids (teens) smoke around kids. Kids tend to look up to teens more than adults since they're closer in age and relate more to them. I think it's ridiculous when anyone today starts smoking.

That petition is for OUTDOOR parks. That's getting ridiculous at the other end of the spectrum - come 'on people! It makes it out like smokers are dope addicts leaving dirty "fits" or needles around.

Kudos on your boyfriend for quitting; it is very difficult. I never would, ever smoke inside a car or even smoke near a child; if I see a child or even a non-smoker, I immediately put my cigarette out, due to respect. And, far as smelling bad, trust me, we know we stink. I noticed, when I kiss a guy, they tend to pull away...hmmmmmmm, maybe, it is time to quit.
I know we have had topics here before abt smoking and you told us how hard it was for you to even think abt stopping. I have sympathy for those who want so bad to stop but can't. Hell, if suddenly there was a ban on Diet Coke tomorrow, I'd be raising hell! :eek: :mad: Can't give up the stuff. :lol: I have known people with addictions, so believe me, you have a sympathy shoulder here with me. It is not easy to just put it out. I know you know the effects of smoking. I guess people who never had an addiction or never known people with one, can't really understand what addicts go through. Just like alcoholism, there are those who are hooked from their first drink.

I hope one day you will find the strength or some source to help you with quitting Tara. You are too fine a lady. ;)

I think she means people who smoke around their children like in cars, in their homes, in enclosed spaces where children have no choice.


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You didn't look at the link then. Here - I've copied it. Sorry - but imo it's asinine. It even refers to an enclosed room in the last paragragh? WTH?:

To: NC Parks and Recreation
Tobacco Free Parks and Playgrounds





Children face a higher risk than adults of the negative effects of secondhand smoke. Not only is a child's body still developing physically, but their breathing rate is faster than that of adults.





When the air is tainted with cigarette smoke, young, developing lungs receive a higher concentration of inhaled toxins than do older lungs. And think about it: young children have less control over their surroundings than the rest of us. Babies can't move to another room because the air is smoky. They depend on us to provide them with clean air to breathe.





Smoking should not be allowed in parks where children play.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

So the parks in North Carolina are enclosed with walls and roofs are they?


You forget, she's uber mom :lol:

You didn't look at the link then. Here - I've copied it. Sorry - but imo it's asinine. It even refers to an enclosed room in the last paragragh? WTH?:

To: NC Parks and Recreation
Tobacco Free Parks and Playgrounds





Children face a higher risk than adults of the negative effects of secondhand smoke. Not only is a child's body still developing physically, but their breathing rate is faster than that of adults.





When the air is tainted with cigarette smoke, young, developing lungs receive a higher concentration of inhaled toxins than do older lungs. And think about it: young children have less control over their surroundings than the rest of us. Babies can't move to another room because the air is smoky. They depend on us to provide them with clean air to breathe.





Smoking should not be allowed in parks where children play.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned
I didn't realize there was a link. I thought that was her siggy. It wasn't part of her post.

Anyhoo...WOW! I stick with what I said abt children being in enclosed spaces with smokers, they have no choice, but outdoors, there is plenty of air to breathe. Are we going to ban barbecues next? I mean, how many times have you barbecued and had clouds of smoke emitting and flowing around children? I love a good barbecue now and then, but if kids are around, then what? What abt school buses? Man those huge yellow things emit so much thick, black smoke...*cough cough* I can't believe something children ride in is blowing more smoke than a chimney on a cold day. :crazy: Hell, what abt those big semi-trucks? Those suckers blow out so much poison and I can smell it through my car vents when I am stuck behind a truck on the road. puke:

I think the state governments need to ban the smoke emitting from automobiles, trucks and buses, that's the stuff that worries me abt our children inhaling.

Oh please, the moon. :rolleyes: I don't see anyone smoking in public places anymore. They can smoke outside, or are you one of those who want it made illegal?

You see, that's the thing you and everyone else dont get. I guess i'm more venting around MY area, not yours. You live far away from me up north right? And things are different where you live. Anyone who lives in the deep south like i do knows what i'm talking about. People pretty much disobey the smoking laws here, and thats why i get mad about it.

Fine, as long as you do it on the Moon, where it doesnt affect me...or, if you absolutely need your niccotine, get the patch, or chewing tobacco, If you want to kill yourself needlessly, I have no prob with that, as long as i dont have to be bothered. As for no evidence about the dangers of 2nd hand smoke, the only studies that said there werent any, were sposored by tobacco companies (go figure). I have severe asthma and liquid in my lungs from 30 years of being around my formerly chain smoking parents.
When people smoke around me, the feeling is as if i were being choked by a thin wire.....I'll stop bitching at people smoking around me the day they agree that being choked is pleasurable. (And then they'll have to prove it)
I agree totally. If you want to smoke, good for you, but don't get mad if I choose not to be near you. I have never smoked in my life but I have asthma brought on by relatives who do. Want to kill yourself? good for you... But do you want to kill me? **** you.

I also hate the smell that you and your clothes get after being in a closed room with smoking. I am so happy Louisville became smoke-free, because I hated going into clubs and the sort because I would come out smelling like an ash-tray, and it takes a lot of showers and clothes washings to get that smell out completely.

Sad thing is, where I live is the smoking capital of the world it seems. Those of us who don't smoke are the minority if you're in the 20-40 group. It's almost like a cult here, I know people who used to be notoriously anti-smoking and started smoking. But the fact I already have asthma and lost a parent to emphazema keeps me from ever picking up a cig.

You see, that's the thing you and everyone else dont get. I guess i'm more venting around MY area, not yours. You live far away from me up north right? And things are different where you live. Anyone who lives in the deep south like i do knows what i'm talking about. People pretty much disobey the smoking laws here, and thats why i get mad about it.


Ah, sorry - but you never mentioned about breaking smoking bylaws at all. You said you (sic) practically smoked a whole cigarette yourself whenever you entered a building and there was a crowd outside the door. That's not breaking any laws whatsoever in any of the smoking bylaws unless they specifically mention being a certain distance from the doors (some hospitals do that and for good reason).

The only person I've ever heard of breaking a smoking bylaw in Toronto was Sean Penn when he stayed at the Four Seasons and smoked during an interview. Pissed a lot of smokers off too in this city including myself.
It was because of him that you'll never find another hotel in this city with a smoking floor (like at least the top floor). Thanks Sean! :wave: - you're a real a$$hole!

In my city, I can't believe the amount of people who are smoking. After all the stuff they say about smoking, the costs, the health problems, the weight gain or loss, the taste loss, the yellow teeth, wrinkles...people still do it. At my college, these young people (between 18 and 25) already are smoking like chimneys. Every time i want to enter a building, there are like 10 people at the door smoking and i pretty much smoke a whole cigarrette without even trying while entering the building.

My fiance works with someone who smokes. For his job he has to drive a truck to several locations, and he told me this guy will smoke the whole time he is driving. He lights one after the other. So my fiance has to smoke about 1000 packs a day and it's not fair. I'm wondering if there is a law on this or something. This should be illegal if it isn't already. It's just as bad as forcing someone to smoke weed.
This first post of yours says how irritated you are with smokers and the effects of what smoking does to them. You are also at a loss as to why people smoke.

Your second paragraph then states your boyfriend works with someone who smokes in the same company vehicle he is a passenger in. Sounds like your boyfriend either needs to tell that person not to smoke with him in the vehicle or talk to the boss abt it. Unless smoking is part of the job, I think your boyfriend can easily bring up this issue with the boss or supervisor.

There is no mention of the laws here in your first post. It sounds like you are venting, which of course is ok here on the board, but remember, there are people here who do smoke or who have smoked and you are going to find opposing views on this issue especially if you make it sound like they are committing second degree murder when they aren't. If you complain abt smoking, you should also complain abt vehicles that emit smog into the air.

Love the pictures :lol:

I have had asthma since I can remember. I do not know if it is from being around smokers or if it's just my luck, but I have it. I still chose to start smoking. It makes it hard to breathe sometimes but I take my inhaler and it's okay. I do not smoke in public places. When I was at my sister's house, I went outside. I smoke in my house or outside. And when I babysit, I smoke in the doorway so I can still keep my eye on her. I do not smoke around people who do not smoke because I don't feel they should have to suffer for my choice, but I also feel, like I said, we should be put into another universe. Some people say very cruel things about smokers. There are a lot worse things people can be doing.

I am addicted to S.O. :eek:

Love the pictures :lol:

I have had asthma since I can remember. I do not know if it is from being around smokers or if it's just my luck, but I have it. I still chose to start smoking. It makes it hard to breathe sometimes but I take my inhaler and it's okay. I do not smoke in public places. When I was at my sister's house, I went outside. I smoke in my house or outside. And when I babysit, I smoke in the doorway so I can still keep my eye on her. I do not smoke around people who do not smoke because I don't feel they should have to suffer for my choice, but I also feel, like I said, we should be put into another universe. Some people say very cruel things about smokers. There are a lot worse things people can be doing.
That's one of the reasons I never ever tried to smoke. And I was offered plenty of cigarettes when I was in school. I felt breathing was hard enough with asthma that I wasn't going to chance it. Not to mention that I was having some pretty bad asthma attacks all through junior high.

I just want to make something clear though, I am not in favor of smoking. The only thing that I don't like is making smokers feel like second class citizens. Cigarettes are legal and they aren't breaking any laws. I understand why some people don't like having smoke blown on them. I am the same way and it has happened to me too but that doesn't mean that non-smokers should go in the total opposite direction and go crazy with some of these laws. Their are plenty of pullutents out there in the world. I already brought up what happened with me and that truck. I remember when I was 5 which was about the time I was diagnosed with Asthma . We lived up in Richmond. Well they had these factories and I don't know what they did in there but I know whenever we passed them in the car it almost made me sick.

I am addicted to S.O. :eek:


It IS almost as bad as being hooked on cigarettes!! lol

And good points you made. I was going to mention the smoking in the vehicle. While it is irritating to her fiance, there are currently no laws that I know of about smoking in vehicles - other than in cop cars, cab, limos, etc.. My brother is a truck driver and most of the guys at his work smoke or used to (he quit God bless him 11 years ago) but he doesn't complain about them smoking on the dock or in their trucks. That's why most of them go into it these days. It's one of the last places you do have a bit more freedom of smoking at work.

We're just saying, that remember, we're people too with feelings. Most of us are well aware - probably even more aware than you are about what it does to us (and thank you, but my teeth are not yellow - I go to a dentist for regular cleanings - that's all it takes). We're constantly bombarded in the media about it. We've been shunned and sent outside to do our nasty "habit" (trust me, it ain't like just picking your nose - it's an addiction). So please, just leave us be to still exercise what little rights we have left and if you have to put up with a few seconds (unless it takes you minutes to pass through a doorway) of stink. How 'bout that bus that just blew black deisel smoke all over me - or the industries that still pollute? I think you're at a much larger risk from them than a few smokers.

If we're that bad and you don't want to be around us, until we can quit - and believe me, most of us have tried multiple times and already feel a bit like failures, then don't let the door hit your snobbish a$$ on the way out.

I just want to make something clear though, I am not in favor of smoking. The only thing that I don't like is making smokers feel like second class citizens. Cigarettes are legal and they aren't breaking any laws. I understand why some people don't like having smoke blown on them. I am the same way and it has happened to me too but that doesn't mean that non-smokers should go in the total opposite direction and go crazy with some of these laws. Their are plenty of pullutents out there in the world. I already brought up what happened with me and that truck. I remember when I was 5 which was about the time I was diagnosed with Asthma . We lived up in Richmond. Well they had these factories and I don't know what they did in there but I know whenever we passed them in the car it almost made me sick.


Thank You Sonny! That's exactly that attitude we ask for. Be smart enough not to start in the first place and to understand us and our rights as humans too. We have been made to feel rotten about ourselves - like we're all murderers - actually, I'm pretty sure it was mentioned earlier.

You know - you'll always get the odd, real ignorant smoker - you'll always get the odd, real ignorant non-smoker and I feel badly if some have blown smoke on you. But it's people like you that we would show even more respect around and try not to smoke at all - even if we were outside. I've done that at times. If someone treats me with respect, I will them. It's when we're treated like dirt that we get our backs up.

Hon, this thread has actually gave me an incentive to, at least, try to quit; but, it easier said than done; it is an ugly, smelly, expensive habit. Yes, I am terribly addicted, I admit that; do I wish I was a non-smoker, YES!!!, I would LOVE to walk away from cigarettes, forever..
Good luck!

The only person I've ever heard of breaking a smoking bylaw in Toronto was Sean Penn when he stayed at the Four Seasons and smoked during an interview. Pissed a lot of smokers off too in this city including myself.
It was because of him that you'll never find another hotel in this city with a smoking floor (like at least the top floor). Thanks Sean! :wave: - you're a real a$$hole!
As much as it's fun to do, you can't blame Sean Penn for the banning of smoking rooms because he was already subject to the tough Smoke-Free Ontario Act which overrides Toronto's bylaw that allowed smoking rooms.

Good luck!


As much as it's fun to do, you can't blame Sean Penn for the banning of smoking rooms because he was already subject to the tough Smoke-Free Ontario Act which overrides Toronto's bylaw that allowed smoking rooms.


So why did they let him off? He was never fined at all. It was the hotels themselves that had to change - that Act fines the establishment - not the offender. Plus, the Four Seasons got bad press for it (it was during some press release while he was in town for the Film Festival). They're the classiest hotel in Toronto and it looked bad on them. Other hotels and chains followed and then Toronto passed a further bylaw .
Toronto should have charged him and never did - because he was a star. Big deal.

wow a lot of us have asthma here i'm surprised.

wow a lot of us have asthma here i'm surprised.


lol - I know! I was thinking the same thing. Someone should start an "Asthma Annonymous" thread! We'll have to crown "Oscy" from Lord of the Flies as our Mentor. ;)

Actually that is another good point. It's odd that there's less smokers today than there was 30 years ago, but more people (especially kids) are asthmatic? And more people die from asthma now than they used to - mainly because of the meds that mask acute symptoms. They're a godsend in one sense, but the worst side effect ever sometimes.

Thank You Sonny! That's exactly that attitude we ask for. Be smart enough not to start in the first place and to understand us and our rights as humans too. We have been made to feel rotten about ourselves - like we're all murderers - actually, I'm pretty sure it was mentioned earlier.

You know - you'll always get the odd, real ignorant smoker - you'll always get the odd, real ignorant non-smoker and I feel badly if some have blown smoke on you. But it's people like you that we would show even more respect around and try not to smoke at all - even if we were outside. I've done that at times. If someone treats me with respect, I will them. It's when we're treated like dirt that we get our backs up.
I was thinking the same thing abt those ignorant people who happen to smoke and don't care abt where they throw their cigarette butts in children's parks, blow smoke at people, cough up a lung in someone's face, etc. but that has to do with the fact those are IGNORANT PEOPLE. People are not ignorant because they smoke, they smoke and happen to be ignorant people. The same thing can be applied to people who don't smoke, people who drink, people who don't drink, people who are rich, people who are poor, etc. So, if the argument for this thread is really the ignorance of people and how they don't seem to care abt how they treat people with their habit, that is one thing, but to generalize and make it seem like all smokers are all the same, well then that kind of thinking is ignorant in itself.

I can only think of a handful of times in my 42 years of living where someone who was smoking used their habit to display some kind of bad behavior. One in particular I recall was when I was a Dodger baseball game and the guy in front of me was smoking away and the smoke went right in my face. My father told the guy to chill and he obliged. For a while anyways. I am glad for the no smoking rule in public places, it has made it a whole lot better for those of us who don't like smoke.

Damn! is it smoky in here or what? :lol: I thought S.O. was a smoke-free environment. ;) j/k

The most ignorant smoker I have had the displeasure of seeing was a pregnant lady. Boy, did I want to take that cigarette and literally shove it up her stupid ass; and, to make matters worse, the moron was drinking too; that damn bartender whom served her alcohol should had been fired:rolleyes:
If she was pregnant, she should have not been in a bar drinking at all. :eek: :mad:

I agree, but she was. I used to be a bartender, and if some lady that was about 7 months pregnant came up to be and asked for an alcohol beverage; well, I cannot use the language here, because this is a PG-13 site:lol:
I so abhor women who drink and smoke while pregnant. Doing drugs is the worst. Although, if they are addicted, being pregnant won't stop them. So sad.

Well, I'm going to give this thread a rest. Apparently me giving my opinion on things causes certain people to develop a deep hate for me. :rolleyes: How dare I have an opinion and ruffle any feathers!

Well, I'm going to give this thread a rest. Apparently me giving my opinion on things causes certain people to develop a deep hate for me. :rolleyes: How dare I have an opinion and ruffle any feathers!


:confused: ???????? Who's feathers got ruffled? This isn't the politics board for heavens sake!

:confused: ???????? Who's feathers got ruffled? This isn't the politics board for heavens sake!

I have enough **** in my life to deal with without someone getting on my back about my opinion. I'm not going to mention names here, I'd like to think I'm above that.

I have enough **** in my life to deal with without someone getting on my back about my opinion. I'm not going to mention names here, I'd like to think I'm above that.


Nobody on this forum has the right to bully or bring an issue from one thread into another. They should grow up.

Nobody on this forum has the right to bully or bring an issue from one thread into another. They should grow up.
I agree. Lauren has as much right to her opinion as everybody else. :)

I agree. Lauren has as much right to her opinion as everybody else. :)


Exactly - it's debated on the board or it gets dropped - or reported to a mod.

I agree. Lauren has as much right to her opinion as everybody else. :)

Thank you Sweet Darlin! :smooch: :blush:

I'd like to thank Junecleaver for bringing some action to this board. :lol:

I'd like to thank Junecleaver for bringing some action to this board. :lol:
It's been the most exciting thread for the last 2 days. :lol:

It's been the most exciting thread for the last 2 days. :lol:
I noticed. I wasn't here but looking at the thread posts and seeing how much I posted on it, it sure has been a very busy thread. :lol:

Well, I'm going to give this thread a rest. Apparently me giving my opinion on things causes certain people to develop a deep hate for me. :rolleyes: How dare I have an opinion and ruffle any feathers!

I would like to say I am so sorry about this. I know who you are talking about and I don't think you should let it get to you. You are a strong woman, who has every right to your own opinion and don't let anyone make you feel inferior for speaking your mind. :bighug:

I would like to say I am so sorry about this. I know who you are talking about and I don't think you should let it get to you. You are a strong woman, who has every right to your own opinion and don't let anyone make you feel inferior for speaking your mind. :bighug:


Thanks Kelly! :bighug: :smooch: :D

OK, I'll join in, a little late...

I smoke. Devotedly, unapologetically, and without shame. And I WILL blow smoke in the faces of do-gooders who hassle me about it.

Smoking may or may not be a deadly risk, but so are a sedentary lifestyle, overeating, or volunteering for military service abroad. (I throw in the last one because I know the mother of at least one such idealist seduced by government propaganda to throw his life away in Afghanistan.) And as for second-hand effects, I wonder what throws the more garbage in your lungs: cigarette smoke or traffic exhaust -- especially if have to commute for an hour or two every day on the roads, by bus or car, it doesn't really matter?

The benefit of smoking is really one, and one only: it clears the garbage from the mind and the nerves, without addling it or distorting it.

Really smoking is just a habit that society at present finds offensive. Well, I'm sorry, but I for one am more offended by unapologetic, in-your-face obesity. A condition brought on by two bad habits -- too much food and not enough exercise. (Genetics, you say? Right. The correct amount to eat varies.) But I am not rude enough to go around and tell people off about it -- unless some fatso tries to score a point about the cigarette I am holding. Then all bets are off.

I agree totally. If you want to smoke, good for you, but don't get mad if I choose not to be near you. I have never smoked in my life but I have asthma brought on by relatives who do. Want to kill yourself? good for you... But do you want to kill me? **** you.

I also hate the smell that you and your clothes get after being in a closed room with smoking. I am so happy Louisville became smoke-free, because I hated going into clubs and the sort because I would come out smelling like an ash-tray, and it takes a lot of showers and clothes washings to get that smell out completely.

Sad thing is, where I live is the smoking capital of the world it seems. Those of us who don't smoke are the minority if you're in the 20-40 group. It's almost like a cult here, I know people who used to be notoriously anti-smoking and started smoking. But the fact I already have asthma and lost a parent to emphazema keeps me from ever picking up a cig.
Bleh, my grandma never smoked a cigarette in her life, but from being around them her whole life she now has emphazema.

I have to disagree abt the obesity comment vtunie. It is a generalized statement you make, I understand, but there are some people who are overweight for reasons other than lack of exercise and overeating. There are those with thyroid problems, there are those like my nephew's wife who has Lupus and gained some weight as well as her body swelling which leads her to look obese. There are other diseases and other medical conditions that can make one obese that has absolutely nothing to do with overeating and lack of exercise. I seen a documentary abt this young teen boy who is over 300 pounds and it had absolutely nothing to do with food. If anything, he eats normally. He also exercises and plays a sport. All of his family members are thin. It was an interesting documentary.


Also back to the smoking topic, the late Christopher Reeve's wife died of Lung cancer and SHE DID NOT SMOKE.

ROCK 'N ROLL! We gotta hot thread here still! LOL

I agree - I kinda miss some of the old debates we'd have over news issues. Gets the blood flowing! (in between puffs on my ciggy of course!) ;)

ROCK 'N ROLL! We gotta hot thread here still! LOL

I agree - I kinda miss some of the old debates we'd have over news issues. Gets the blood flowing! (in between puffs on my ciggy of course!) ;)
:lol:

OK, I'll join in, a little late...

I smoke. Devotedly, unapologetically, and without shame. And I WILL blow smoke in the faces of do-gooders who hassle me about it.

Smoking may or may not be a deadly risk, but so are a sedentary lifestyle, overeating, or volunteering for military service abroad. (I throw in the last one because I know the mother of at least one such idealist seduced by government propaganda to throw his life away in Afghanistan.) And as for second-hand effects, I wonder what throws the more garbage in your lungs: cigarette smoke or traffic exhaust -- especially if have to commute for an hour or two every day on the roads, by bus or car, it doesn't really matter?

The benefit of smoking is really one, and one only: it clears the garbage from the mind and the nerves, without addling it or distorting it.

Really smoking is just a habit that society at present finds offensive. Well, I'm sorry, but I for one am more offended by unapologetic, in-your-face obesity. A condition brought on by two bad habits -- too much food and not enough exercise. (Genetics, you say? Right. The correct amount to eat varies.) But I am not rude enough to go around and tell people off about it -- unless some fatso tries to score a point about the cigarette I am holding. Then all bets are off.It's the obnoxious attitude that annoys me about it. People generally don't have a problem with others smoking...it's doing it around those who don't want to breath in the stuff that annoys us. So to say you'd gladly blow the stuff in someone's face just because it bothers them is a little obnoxious, don't you think? Obesity doesn't harm other people so I could care less about that. Traffic exhaust? I'm pretty sure people are whining about that, too. Where do you think all the fuel efficient yadda yadda, etc stuff is coming from? I'm sorry, but I don't feel bad for smokers in the slightest. It's your decision and it's us, as non-smokers, decision to not be forced to breath it in. There's plenty of other things to calm the "mind and the nerves." How about that exercise thing you mentioned?

There. Sorry to ruin everyone's pro smoking parade.

So why did they let him off? He was never fined at all. It was the hotels themselves that had to change - that Act fines the establishment - not the offender. Plus, the Four Seasons got bad press for it (it was during some press release while he was in town for the Film Festival). They're the classiest hotel in Toronto and it looked bad on them. Other hotels and chains followed and then Toronto passed a further bylaw .
Toronto should have charged him and never did - because he was a star. Big deal.
Sean Penn got off with a warning because there was no proof the hotel or the film festival ever informed him of the smoking ban. He could have been fined if there was proof that he was informed of the smoking ban but chose to ignore it. Personally, I rather they simply open the firehose on him next time. You can read the details at CBC.ca (http://www.cbc.ca/arts/tiff/story/2006/09/15/tiff-penn-fine.html).

I have to disagree abt the obesity comment. It is a generalized statement you make, I understand, but there are some people who are overweight for reasons other than lack of exercise and overeating. There are those with thyroid problems, there are those like my nephew's wife who has Lupus and gained some weight as well as her body swelling which leads her to look obese. There are other diseases and other medical conditions that can make one obese that has absolutely nothing to do with overeating and lack of exercise. I seen a documentary abt this young teen boy who is over 300 pounds and it had absolutely nothing to do with food. If anything, he eats normally. He also exercises and plays a sport. All of his family members are thin. It was an interesting documentary.


Also back to the smoking topic, the late Christopher Reeve's wife died of Lung cancer and SHE DID NOT SMOKE.

Medical conditions vary. I was NOT talking about specific diseases like lupus and the rest. But the increase in obesity over the last quarter-century is very well documented and very significant. I think there's general consensus that the bulk of it is exactly caused by "behavioral factors". And the resulting diseases and threates -- diabetes, heart conditions, risk of stroke, etc. -- are bad enough that it's really beside the point to argue whether smoking or overeating/not exercising is the worse habit. What bothers me is that society condemns smoking without pity but treats obesity gently and sympathetically enough that it seems in comparison like sentimental gushing.

It's the obnoxious attitude that annoys me about it. People generally don't have a problem with others smoking...it's doing it around those who don't want to breath in the stuff that annoys us. So to say you'd gladly blow the stuff in someone's face just because it bothers them is a little obnoxious, don't you think? Obesity doesn't harm other people so I could care less about that. Traffic exhaust? I'm pretty sure people are whining about that, too. Where do you think all the fuel efficient yadda yadda, etc stuff is coming from? I'm sorry, but I don't feel bad for smokers in the slightest. It's your decision and it's us, as non-smokers, decision to not be forced to breath it in. There's plenty of other things to calm the "mind and the nerves." How about that exercise thing you mentioned?

There. Sorry to ruin everyone's pro smoking parade.
yeah i agree. i dont mind people that smoke, but when people are like "Lolz ur a lozer for saying u dont like smoking *blows smoke in face*...thats annoying.

oh and anyone who thinks smoking isn't bad for you must have been living under a rock for the past 25 years...i mean come on, at least admit that its basically just sucking poison until yourself until you die lol

It's the obnoxious attitude that annoys me about it. People generally don't have a problem with others smoking...it's doing it around those who don't want to breath in the stuff that annoys us. So to say you'd gladly blow the stuff in someone's face just because it bothers them is a little obnoxious, don't you think? Obesity doesn't harm other people so I could care less about that. Traffic exhaust? I'm pretty sure people are whining about that, too. Where do you think all the fuel efficient yadda yadda, etc stuff is coming from? I'm sorry, but I don't feel bad for smokers in the slightest. It's your decision and it's us, as non-smokers, decision to not be forced to breath it in. There's plenty of other things to calm the "mind and the nerves." How about that exercise thing you mentioned?

There. Sorry to ruin everyone's pro smoking parade.


As you say - it's for fuel efficiency that they're changing cars - not so much for the environment until that recently became the hot thing to do in the car industry to boost sales.

If that were the case, then why are SUVs still outselling compact cars.

What brand does your family have?

It's the obnoxious attitude that annoys me about it. People generally don't have a problem with others smoking...it's doing it around those who don't want to breath in the stuff that annoys us. So to say you'd gladly blow the stuff in someone's face just because it bothers them is a little obnoxious, don't you think? Obesity doesn't harm other people so I could care less about that. Traffic exhaust? I'm pretty sure people are whining about that, too. Where do you think all the fuel efficient yadda yadda, etc stuff is coming from? I'm sorry, but I don't feel bad for smokers in the slightest. It's your decision and it's us, as non-smokers, decision to not be forced to breath it in. There's plenty of other things to calm the "mind and the nerves." How about that exercise thing you mentioned?

There. Sorry to ruin everyone's pro smoking parade.

The non-smokers exile us outside to smoke. Not fine, but OK, I won't bitch about it. I'll even try not to blow it at others. But then they have the nerve to approach us ON THE STREET and hassle us about it? No, sorry, that's where I draw the line. If someone does that, they deserve all they get.

As you say - it's for fuel efficiency that they're changing cars - not so much for the environment until that recently became the hot thing to do in the car industry to boost sales.

If that were the case, then why are SUVs still outselling compact cars.

What brand does your family have?Not sure, I don't have a car myself. But I'm just trying to prove a point. Smoking's not something you have to do, driving is a little bit more necessary and it's hard to avoid getting a vehicle that doesn't give off exhaust. And on top of that, smokers aren't the only ones getting crap about it because people are starting to speak up about car exhaust as well.

The non-smokers exile us outside to smoke. Not fine, but OK, I won't bitch about it. But then they have the nerve to approach us ON THE STREET and hassle us about it? No, sorry, that's where I draw the line. If someone does that, they deserve all they get.
Do they do that to you in Canada?

Do they do that to you in Canada?

Yes, very much so. :(

The non-smokers exile us outside to smoke. Not fine, but OK, I won't bitch about it. But then they have the nerve to approach us ON THE STREET and hassle us about it? No, sorry, that's where I draw the line. If someone does that, they deserve all they get.Can't say I've personally ever done that and I'm sure I'd get angered myself if I were in your place. It's really no one's business unless they're forced to be in your company while you smoke. So no, I don't agree with banning smoking in public places at all.

Yes, very much so. :(
Sad to read that people have done that to you.
While it is a right to speak and say what is our opinion, I don't believe that it is right to be rude or crass abt it. One can speak their mind, but what purpose does it serve to tell strangers abt their smoking habit when they are SMOKING OUTDOORS? How low can people be? ohno:

Not sure, I don't have a car myself. But I'm just trying to prove a point. Smoking's not something you have to do, driving is a little bit more necessary and it's hard to avoid getting a vehicle that doesn't give off exhaust. And on top of that, smokers aren't the only ones getting crap about it because people are starting to speak up about car exhaust as well.


I've never heard anybody bark about car exhaust. Never.

I'm not talking about you having the car necessarily - maybe your parents. I would drive a Prius if I could afford it, but couldn't and bought a VW Jetta - tiny car and great on fuel. And yes, I do have to drive because I live in the country, but if people in cities really tried, I'm sure more of them could get around on a lot smaller vehicles. That isn't what's happening. If anything, the car companies have been coming out with even larger engines again.


And trust me, smoking is something I have to do right at the moment. You think I'm a little passionate about certain topics like this, think what I'd be like going cold turkey again right now (although granted, you don't know what's going on in my life, so I'll give you that). ;)

Attempted murder? Can you be any more dramatic, lol. I'm sure your fiance's co-worker would have to stop smoking if he was told to by HR. People can't smoke indoors or in public anymore, or it's a miracle to find a place where they can. You obviously hate smoking, and that's your right. It's militant non-smokers, such as yourself, that bother me. They treat smokers as if they're second-rate citizens. Some people just picked the habit up young and can't beat it. Some of my good friends smoke, as do relatives, including my stepson. I think it's a disgusting habit myself, and my lung cancer claimed my mother's life, as she smoked probably three packs a day.

Given that, I'm not going to talk smokers down as if they're lowlifes or animals. I hate smoking, but I don't hate the smokers. As a former smoker myself, who quit 20 years ago, I see both sides of it. Some anti-smoking zealots want to have it banned completely. They piss me off more than the smokers.

That is all that has to be said. Thanks Janice:)

I've never heard anybody bark about car exhaust. Never.
I did mention exhaust in my first post. ;) As a matter of fact, I bitch more abt exhaust then I have abt smokers. You ought to hear me when I am driving and there is a school bus in front of me or even a truck. puke:
God, those things are horrible.

I did mention exhaust in my first post. ;) As a matter of fact, I bitch more abt exhaust then I have abt smokers. You ought to hear me when I am driving and there is a school bus in front of me or even a truck. puke:
God, those things are horrible.


Oh I know - sorry - I meant more organized groups like your anti-smoking organizations. You'll hear a few people about vehicles but not like the "fad" of hitting on smokers.

I know. Funny, when I was off cigarettes for the couple of months I was on the patch, the one smell that I absolutely couldn't take (I'd actually throw up) was sitting behind a bus or truck in my car in traffic. It was winter too and my windows were shut but that's all I could smell. It's the diesel fuel - meanwhile they say it's cleaner but if that's the case, why does it smell so much worse and leaves black soot from its exhaust? Now THAT'S gross and you can't avoid it in the city even outside.

Oh I know - sorry - I meant more organized groups like your anti-smoking organizations. You'll hear a few people about vehicles but not like the "fad" of hitting on smokers.

I know. Funny, when I was off cigarettes for the couple of months I was on the patch, the one smell that I absolutely couldn't take (I'd actually throw up) was sitting behind a bus or truck in my car in traffic. It was winter too and my windows were shut but that's all I could smell. It's the diesel fuel - meanwhile they say it's cleaner but if that's the case, why does it smell so much worse and leaves black soot from its exhaust? Now THAT'S gross and you can't avoid it in the city even outside.
Exactly! It gags me. *cough* I see the city here has a truck that goes around and washes the various signs around here and they clean other things because of the black soot that builds up on them. Now think abt it, if those signs are getting dirty from all that black soot, how can they tell us the diesel fuel is cleaner? I know our city buses use a certain fuel to help cut down on the emissions. I haven't seen any thick, black smoke come out of those buses. The semi-trucks are a different story. YUCK!

Exactly! It gags me. *cough* I see the city here has a truck that goes around and washes the various signs around here and they clean other things because of the black soot that builds up on them. Now think abt it, if those signs are getting dirty from all that black soot, how can they tell us the diesel fuel is cleaner? I know our city buses use a certain fuel to help cut down on the emissions. I haven't seen any thick, black smoke come out of those buses. The semi-trucks are a different story. YUCK!

Exactly! You can't tell me that your lungs wouldn't get that in them and be a lot worse than being around a smoker for years even. Again, I might sound a bit paranoid, but it's all about corporations and interest groups and who gets the government's backing with their lobbying. For years it was the tobacco companies - now it's the fuel and energy companies getting away with murder and nobody seems to notice it. Crazy. Yeah - pick on the one guy who's having a butt in the freezing cold instead. What is all this doing to our wildlife. And in Europe, industries are still cranking out pollution in their smokestacks - they're still not regulated like they are here in North America. You don't think that garbage eventually gets over to us too? Maybe THAT'S why asthma is on the rise while smokers decline.

You don't think that garbage eventually gets over to us too? Maybe THAT'S why asthma is on the rise while smokers decline.
Thank you! That's what I think and feel.

can people honestly say they can't go 10 mins without a cig? I mean.... there are couples who can restrain from PDA-ing in public because it makes other people uncomfortable. Smokers should be considerate of others instead of just lighting up and trying to make sure others wind up smelling like them. I live in Louisville, 90% of the people here smoke, as do most of my friends, but my friends who respect me know I don't want that **** in my car. I seriously cannot breathe in a closed space with somebody smoking, it suffocates me. It doesn't make me cough but with my asthma, I can't take it, and while people being told not to smoke feel disrespected, I feel disrespected that people don't take into consideration the fact that I have asthma and still wish to smoke in a room with me. I can handle being outside with smokers, but indoors is another thing.

can people honestly say they can't go 10 mins without a cig? I mean.... there are couples who can restrain from PDA-ing in public because it makes other people uncomfortable. Smokers should be considerate of others instead of just lighting up and trying to make sure others wind up smelling like them. I live in Louisville, 90% of the people here smoke, as do most of my friends, but my friends who respect me know I don't want that **** in my car. I seriously cannot breathe in a closed space with somebody smoking, it suffocates me. It doesn't make me cough but with my asthma, I can't take it, and while people being told not to smoke feel disrespected, I feel disrespected that people don't take into consideration the fact that I have asthma and still wish to smoke in a room with me.


If you've got friends who can't go 10 mins. without a cigarette then they've got some big problems ahead of them.

I'm not saying it doesn't bother you, but it's odd - I've had asthma all my life and I smoke. Take a huff off your puffer and you're fine.

can people honestly say they can't go 10 mins without a cig? I mean.... there are couples who can restrain from PDA-ing in public because it makes other people uncomfortable. Smokers should be considerate of others instead of just lighting up and trying to make sure others wind up smelling like them. I live in Louisville, 90% of the people here smoke, as do most of my friends, but my friends who respect me know I don't want that **** in my car. I seriously cannot breathe in a closed space with somebody smoking, it suffocates me. It doesn't make me cough but with my asthma, I can't take it, and while people being told not to smoke feel disrespected, I feel disrespected that people don't take into consideration the fact that I have asthma and still wish to smoke in a room with me. I can handle being outside with smokers, but indoors is another thing.
What places are you indoors where smoking is allowed? If it is someone's house or a private residence, that is different than a public place where smoking is banned. I am assuming that the majority of public places in the U.S. has either banned smoking indoors or at least has a non-smoking section.

If you've got friends who can't go 10 mins. without a cigarette then they've got some big problems ahead of them.

I'm not saying it doesn't bother you, but it's odd - I've had asthma all my life and I smoke. Take a huff off your puffer and you're fine.
well, I did tag on at the end that I am okay with smoking outdoors, indoors in a closed space, I can't handle it.

I also think it's funny that people spend so much money on body spray, cologne, perfume, etc... There's no point in using any of that if you're going to smoke, because the **** smell of smoke will completely mask whatever "good" scents there are. I always immediately take a show after I come home from a smoke environment, I smell of it. That is why I am so happy the bars went smoke-free, because I hated having to go to a club and reek of cigerette odor because I wanted a night out.

My mom used to smoke when I was young and I used to hate that all my clothes and everything had a cig smell on it. When she quit, everything felt so much nicer, I no longer had to have the teacher ask "does someone here smoke?" because of the scents that would get trapped in my clothes and all the washing in the world couldn't get rid of.

What places are you indoors where smoking is allowed? If it is someone's house or a private residence, that is different than a public place where smoking is banned. I am assuming that the majority of public places in the U.S. has either banned smoking indoors or at least has a non-smoking section.
there are restaurants over the river about 10 mins from where I live in Indiana that permit smoking, and clubs and other nightlife type places there allow it. Kentucky went smoke-free but Indiana (which is only 10 mins away from me) is still bad.

there are restaurants over the river about 10 mins from where I live in Indiana that permit smoking, and clubs and other nightlife type places there allow it. Kentucky went smoke-free but Indiana (which is only 10 mins away from me) is still bad.
I wouldn't give an establishment like that my business. It is not worth the inconvenience nor the hassle especially if there are other locales that are available and offer me a smoke-free environment. If you lived in a city where there is smoking in all establishments, then that would be a different story.

I wouldn't give an establishment like that my business. It is not worth the inconvenience nor the hassle especially if there are other locales that are available and offer me a smoke-free environment. If you lived in a city where there is smoking in all establishments, then that would be a different story.
yea, that is true, I do have the ability to stay away from it. But I just seriously want to know, what is it about a cig that someone seriously can't bare to go without having one? I mean, there are times I might be really thirsty but if there's a "no drinks allowed" rule, I don't think twice even if I really would like a Diet Dr. Pepper, I'll just go home later and have a glass. Why would that be any different than someone who can't smoke on premises?

yea, that is true, I do have the ability to stay away from it. But I just seriously want to know, what is it about a cig that someone seriously can't bare to go without having one? I mean, there are times I might be really thirsty but if there's a "no drinks allowed" rule, I don't think twice even if I really would like a Diet Dr. Pepper, I'll just go home later and have a glass. Why would that be any different than someone who can't smoke on premises?
I can't live without Diet Coke, but I know I can find that just abt anywhere I go. There are places that don't allow food or drinks in or on their premises (such as a waiting room of some business) because of the mess that can create, especially by children. I have no problem with that. I don't think smokers are complaining abt having to go outdoors, from what I have seen. I am not a smoker, so I can't speak for them. I think they have adjusted pretty well considering. This thread was made by someone who was venting their feelings abt smokers in general and how they are causing a nuisance and a health hazard (her words not mine). This thread wasn't abt a smoker having to smoke outdoors. I think you would have to address that question to someone who feels they are being inconvenienced by the smoking outdoor rule.

Bottom line, if you frequent a place that offers indoor smoking, then you are in the minority by visiting that place because not too many places offer indoor smoking, so that sounds like a place that smokers are going to frequent and enjoy.

I can't live without Diet Coke, but I know I can find that just abt anywhere I go. There are places that don't allow food or drinks in or on their premises (such as a waiting room of some business) because of the mess that can create, especially by children. I have no problem with that. I don't think smokers are complaining abt having to go outdoors, from what I have seen. I am not a smoker, so I can't speak for them. I think they have adjusted pretty well considering. This thread was made by someone who was venting their feelings abt smokers in general and how they are causing a nuisance and a health hazard (her words not mine). This thread wasn't abt a smoker having to smoke outdoors. I think you would have to address that question to someone who feels they are being inconvenienced by the smoking outdoor rule.

Bottom line, if you frequent a place that offers indoor smoking, then you are in the minority by visiting that place because not too many places offer indoor smoking, so that sounds like a place that smokers are going to frequent and enjoy.

That's because you've (luckily) never become truly addicted to something. It's like walking in the desert and wanting water. It's that strong and necessary to the smoker. I've tried quitting a couple of times cold turkey and it isn't a pretty site. You actually can sweat, shake, you're edgy to the point you're wanting to pick fights. You can't concentrate on a thing. You can't sleep, yet you're tired (because the lack of the stimulant cigarettes give you). It's absolutely horrible. I am determined to try again though and keep trying until something works. I've seen my destiny otherwise and it isn't pretty for sure. My own my dropped to 64 lbs before she died.

I think you meant to quote John's post, not mine. ;)

I think you meant to quote John's post, not mine. ;)


Oops - see - I'm in between smokes - see the lack of concentration?!?! :lol:

Oops - see - I'm in between smokes - see the lack of concentration?!?! :lol:
That happens to me when I don't get my "diet coke fix"...:lol:

That happens to me when I don't get my "diet coke fix"...:lol:


lol - reminds me of a boss I once had who was hooked on diet coke and juicy fruit gum!