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catlover79
01-10-2008, 11:46 PM
Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Americans born after Dec. 1, 1964, will have to get more secure driver's licenses in the next six years under ambitious post-9/11 security rules to be unveiled Friday by federal officials.

The Homeland Security Department has spent years crafting the final regulations for the REAL ID Act, a law designed to make it harder for terrorists, illegal immigrants and con artists to get government-issued identification. The effort once envisioned to take effect in 2008 has been pushed back in the hopes of winning over skeptical state officials.

Even with more time, more federal help and technical advances, REAL ID still faces stiff opposition from civil liberties groups.

To address some of those concerns, the government now plans to phase in a secure ID initiative that Congress passed into law in 2005. Now, DHS plans a key deadline in 2011, and then further measures to be enacted three years later, according to congressional staffers who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because an announcement had not yet been made. DHS officials briefed legislative aides on the details late Thursday.

Without discussing details, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff promoted the final rules for REAL ID during a meeting Thursday with an advisory council.

"We worked very closely with the states in terms of developing a plan that I think will be inexpensive, reasonable to implement and produce the results," he said. "This is a win-win. As long as people use driver's licenses to identify themselves for whatever reason there's no reason for those licenses to be easily counterfeited or tampered with."

In order to make the plan more appealing to cost-conscious states, federal authorities drastically reduced the expected cost from $14.6 billion to $3.9 billion, a 73 percent decline, according to Homeland Security officials familiar with the plan.

The American Civil Liberties Union has fiercely objected to the effort, particularly the sharing of personal data among government agencies. The DHS and other officials say the only way to make sure an ID is safe is to check it against secure government data; critics like the ACLU say that creates a system that is more likely to be infiltrated and have its personal data pilfered.

In its written objection to the law, the ACLU claims REAL ID amounts to the "first-ever national identity card system," which "would irreparably damage the fabric of American life."

The Sept. 11 attacks were the main motivation for the changes.

The hijacker-pilot who flew into the Pentagon, Hani Hanjour, had a total of four driver's licenses and ID cards from three states. The DHS, which was created in response to the attacks, has created a slogan for REAL ID: "One driver, one license."

By 2014, anyone seeking to board an airplane or enter a federal building would have to present a REAL ID-compliant driver's license, with the notable exception of those more than 50 years old, Homeland Security officials said.

The over-50 exemption was created to give states more time to get everyone new licenses, and officials say the risk of someone in that age group being a terrorist, illegal immigrant or con artist is much less. By 2017, even those over 50 must have a REAL ID-compliant card to board a plane.

Among other details of the REAL ID plan:

_The traditional driver's license photograph would be taken at the beginning of the application instead of the end so that should someone be rejected for failure to prove identity and citizenship, the applicant's photo would be kept on file and checked in the future if that person attempted to con the system again.

_The cards will have three layers of security measures but will not contain microchips as some had expected. States will be able to choose from a menu which security measures they will put in their cards.

Over the next year, the government expects all states to begin checking both the Social Security numbers and immigration status of license applicants.

Most states currently check Social Security numbers and about half check immigration status. Some, like New York, Virginia, North Carolina and California, already have implemented many of the security measures envisioned in REAL ID. In California, for example, officials expect the only major change to adopt the first phase would be to take the photograph at the beginning of the application process instead of the end.

After the Social Security and immigration status checks become nationwide practice, officials plan to move on to more expansive security checks, including state DMV offices checking with the State Department to verify those applicants who use passports to get a driver's license, verifying birth certificates and checking with other states to ensure an applicant doesn't have more than one license.

A handful of states have already signed written agreements indicating plans to comply with REAL ID. Seventeen others, though, have passed legislation or resolutions objecting to it, often based on concerns about the billions of dollars such extra security is expected to cost.

Dean Winchester
01-11-2008, 01:10 AM
I guess 1984 was predicted about 30 years too early

Ireneparalegal
01-11-2008, 02:01 AM
Oh my goodness, more rules. :eek: What is this world coming to? *sarcasm*

Hopefully this will curb some of the fraud that is currently going on with getting fake driver's licenses.

Dean Winchester
01-11-2008, 02:16 AM
Hopefully this will curb some of the fraud that is currently going on with getting fake driver's licenses.
but what will happen to McLovin? :lol:

Cactus Jack
01-11-2008, 02:23 AM
but what will happen to McLovin? :lol:
LOL :rotflmao: No clue

dawsongirl
01-11-2008, 02:35 AM
So people over 43/44 can't be con artists or terrorists?

catlover79
01-11-2008, 01:02 PM
So people over 43/44 can't be con artists or terrorists?
I know - why doesn't all this also apply to people born BEFORE 12/1/64?? :confused: :rolleyes: :mad:

Hollow
01-11-2008, 04:38 PM
So people over 43/44 can't be con artists or terrorists?
:lol:

Nighthawk76
01-11-2008, 11:58 PM
I think the government is just trying to protect drivers from a 28 year old young woman who finds it necessary to drive 10 miles over the speed limit and who gets all funky when "Let's Dance" by David Bowie is playing on the car stereo. ;) :lol:

:cat:

Zoneboy
01-12-2008, 12:24 AM
So people over 43/44 can't be con artists or terrorists?

That part doesn't make any sense at all. I beat the deadline by 2 months and according to this ridiculous law, I'm assumed to be safe while my 3 brothers are potential threats. :rolleyes:

catlover79
01-12-2008, 02:04 AM
I think the government is just trying to protect drivers from a 28 year old young woman who finds it necessary to drive 10 miles over the speed limit and who gets all funky when "Let's Dance" by David Bowie is playing on the car stereo. ;) :lol:

:cat:
:schmack: :smash: You asked for it, pal!!!

Nighthawk76
01-12-2008, 02:05 AM
:schmack: :smash: You asked for it, pal!!!

:lol:

AB
01-12-2008, 12:45 PM
Now instead of waiting in line for a couple of hours to renew your license it'll take days. (lol!)

TripperFan
01-12-2008, 01:21 PM
Aaah, Homeland Security coming up with more ways to grab Americans' hard earned dollars using 9/11 as the excuse! :rolleyes:

How is this supposed to help!?

Its as bad as my province with their "emissions tests". For any car 6 years of age or older (but not ones before 1985 which are the ones that REALLY need the test) must be tested every 2 years at the cost of around $40. It's nothing more than a money grab for the government.

catlover79
01-13-2008, 12:16 AM
^ That reminds me - I need to have my car e-checked this year. :mad:

Ireneparalegal
01-13-2008, 01:28 AM
Yay!!! another good excuse for me to use to not fly...:lol: *I am afraid of flying*

TripperFan
01-13-2008, 07:56 PM
^ That reminds me - I need to have my car e-checked this year. :mad:


You guys have that garbage too? Isn't it ridiculous? Just a $$$$$ GRAB.

RoryGilmore
01-14-2008, 06:43 PM
All I know is that I did not understand a word of that article

Nighthawk76
01-15-2008, 01:50 AM
^ That reminds me - I need to have my car e-checked this year. :mad:

Let's Dance, Monika...

:banana:

theshark8777
01-16-2008, 09:34 PM
That part doesn't make any sense at all. I beat the deadline by 2 months and according to this ridiculous law, I'm assumed to be safe while my 3 brothers are potential threats. :rolleyes:

Anyone born before that date, has like 2 more years or something before they are mandated.

Just another federal law that is unfunded.

catlover79
01-16-2008, 11:27 PM
Let's Dance, Monika...

:banana:
:rock: Not only do I have to get the car e-checked this year, I also have to renew my license!! :mad:

Nighthawk76
01-17-2008, 12:40 AM
:rock: Not only do I have to get the car e-checked this year, I also have to renew my license!! :mad:

Getting a driver's license renewed is always a lot of fun. The people at the DMV are always so pleasent. ;)

catlover79
01-17-2008, 06:11 PM
Getting a driver's license renewed is always a lot of fun. The people at the DMV are always so pleasent. ;)
Oh yes, as pleasant as a root canal.

RoryGilmore
01-17-2008, 06:57 PM
I dont have to renew mine to 2011

Nighthawk76
01-18-2008, 01:20 AM
Oh yes, as pleasant as a root canal.
:lol:

catlover79
01-18-2008, 01:51 AM
Oh yes, as pleasant as a root canal.
...or having your wisdom teeth taken out.