AFP - Tuesday, January 8 09:04 pm

CHICAGO (AFP) - Four Texas teens were suspended from school Tuesday for refusing to get their hair cut over the Christmas break, school officials said.

The students had been warned that the district was cracking down on dress code violators after they repeatedly let their locks loose on school grounds.

"Our policy states that the hair (on male students) cannot extend beyond the collar in the back," said Kevin Stanford, superintendent of the Kerens Independent School District.

"What we were doing is allowing the students to bind their hair, but there was very inconsistent compliance."

After several complaints from parents in the small rural town south of Dallas, school officials decided to eliminate the hair-binding loophole. Students were told to go to the barber over break or face the consequences.

"I don't know exactly what the students are going to - the ball's in their court," Stanford told AFP.

"Persistent insubordination could go as far as a disciplinary alternative school placement. That's the worst case."

Strict dress codes are common in Texas, Stanford said, and have been upheld by challenges which went as far as the Texas Supreme Court.

Students at Kerens high school are also prohibited from wearing sleeveless shirts, excessively tight or baggy pants, mismatched socks, "disruptive hair styles" and "unnatural" hair colors, according to an 86-page student handbook.

"The Kerens ISD dress code promotes the effective personal presentation skills which contribute significantly to successful living in adult society," the handbook explained. "The district's dress code is established to teach hygiene, instill discipline, prevent disruption, avoid safety hazards, and teach respect for authority."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080108/tod-us-education-offbeat-f62056d_1.html

:rolleyes: Ay carumba!!

I had long hair growing up. I cut it in 2005 but I'm growing it out again.

As long as you keep it clean, neat and respectful, there should be no problem. I work in a kitchen and half the men in there have long hair. It isn't an issue until someone makes it an issue.

So lets not make it an issue. We all have our own forms of expression. So long as it does not hurt anyone, leave us alone!

i can understand that for health and safety reasons, it might be a risk but to suspend them for not having a haircut is ridiculous. who's next? guys with beards or women with red nails?

That's nuts - sounds like 35 years ago when my brother got sent home for having long hair. You also couldn't wear jeans or t-shirts to school then.

With business casual now in offices, I can't see what the problem is. In fast, I prefer a guy with longer hair than these "I just had a frontal lobotomy" haircuts that are popular. I don't undertstand that either. Guys are so worried about going bald, but yet when they're young and have a great head of hair, they shave it. They'll regret it!

and while they are making a huge deal out of an unnecessary thing, there is probably 10 students walking in that school with guns hidden in their pants.

School handbooks are so sexist. Boys aren't allowed to wear earrings, long hair, etc. If thats how they want to express themselves, then whats wrong with it? As long as they are doing so in a clean, safe fashion then i dont see the problem. Schools need to focus on important things, such as keeping an eye on things like guns, knives, gangs, drugs. I had a lot of that going on in my high school, there was a boy who actually did cocaine in class one time. My school though, focused on suspending students for having their shirts untucked and placed a HUGE emphasis on uniform violations and cell phones. The things my school missed due to focusing on the WRONG things. :rolleyes:

I like my hair short but if someone wants to grow their hair long, who are they hurting?

Having gone to Catholic school, that was the norm. So to me this story is not shocking. If the boys had their hair touching their collars, the parents were called to have the boys picked up and taken to get a haircut. Girls couldn't wear make-up and nail polish. No tennis shoes except for P.E.

If the school district makes rules, the parents and students need to abide by them. They made the rules for a reason.

I personally wouldn't mind seeing a law passed banning guys from growing their hair long or wearing facial hair, but that's me ;)

Seriously, I wish the school administrators would be a bit more concerned about kicking bullies out of school than worrying about the length of someone's hair.

I do agree though that rules are rules and students and parents need to learn to follow them. We had a dress code in my high school. A lot of us didn't like it, but we followed it. There's just no respect for authority anymore and parents are trying too hard to be their children's best buddies instead of their parents.

Having gone to Catholic school, that was the norm. So to me this story is not shocking. If the boys had their hair touching their collars, the parents were called to have the boys picked up and taken to get a haircut. Girls couldn't wear make-up and nail polish. No tennis shoes except for P.E.

If the school district makes rules, the parents and students need to abide by them. They made the rules for a reason.


Those were the days, we had to wear those ugly Saddle shoes with knee high socks or regular socks :lol:

And these kids are mad over a hair cut??????

I personally wouldn't mind seeing a law passed banning guys from growing their hair long or wearing facial hair, but that's me ;)

Seriously, I wish the school administrators would be a bit more concerned about kicking bullies out of school than worrying about the length of someone's hair.

I do agree though that rules are rules and students and parents need to learn to follow them. We had a dress code in my high school. A lot of us didn't like it, but we followed it. There's just no respect for authority anymore and parents are trying too hard to be their children's best buddies instead of their parents.

exactly, there are more important issues that need to be addressed in school such as curbing bullying and maintaining discipline throughout, rather than worry about someone's hair cut

it reminds me of the opening of Madonna's "What It Feels Like For A Girl"

girls can wear jeans, cut their hair short, wear shirts and boots
but for a boy to look like a girl is degrading, you think being a girl is degrading
but secretly, you'd love to know what it's like, what it feels like for a girl


I quote that because it's perfectly fine if a girl decides she wants to go all out Jamie Lee Curtis on her hair, but if a guy feels like longer hair represents him better, they demand he cuts it. I personally like my hair short and could never see it growing out past three or four inches, but there are a lot of guys who love their longer hair and it's censoring by enforcing them to keep it short, when it's just fine if a girl decides to go all Grace Jones.

I went to an all boys Catholic High School.

We had a dress code. Jacket, tie, dress shirt, pants.
You had to keep your hair above the collar. No pinning, etc.

Those were the rules. You couldn't deal with it, you went somewhere else.

;)

it reminds me of the opening of Madonna's "What It Feels Like For A Girl"

girls can wear jeans, cut their hair short, wear shirts and boots
but for a boy to look like a girl is degrading, you think being a girl is degrading
but secretly, you'd love to know what it's like, what it feels like for a girl


I quote that because it's perfectly fine if a girl decides she wants to go all out Jamie Lee Curtis on her hair, but if a guy feels like longer hair represents him better, they demand he cuts it. I personally like my hair short and could never see it growing out past three or four inches, but there are a lot of guys who love their longer hair and it's censoring by enforcing them to keep it short, when it's just fine if a girl decides to go all Grace Jones.

agreed. Makes you wonder if people's brains are going extinct?

agreed. Makes you wonder if people's brains are going extinct?
Oh, I think we're way past that point. :eek:

I went to an all boys Catholic High School.

We had a dress code. Jacket, tie, dress shirt, pants.
You had to keep your hair above the collar. No pinning, etc.

Those were the rules. You couldn't deal with it, you went somewhere else.

;)
Bingo! If you don't like the rules, leave and go to another school, however it appears it is the decision of the school district, so any other school in that district will have the same rules. Rules are there for a reason. It appears the kids were given the option of binding their hair (ponytail, etc.) but they chose to ignore that option.

Soooooo, if don't opt for the option the school gave you, then you have left the school with nothing else to do but enforce haircuts. Blame the kids who didn't follow the binding rule, not the school.

A Catholic school is totally different from this, Catholic and other private schools have their own rules and I agree that people must abide by them, because its their rules and you dont have to go to a private school. Public schools, however, need to slack off the STUPID rules such as the hair ones. Public schools have uniforms and all that, but just because a student is a boy doesn't mean he can't have long hair. As long as his hair is neat, not causing any trouble, they need to leave him alone about it. Many teens are self-conscious as it is, and if he feels better about his hair long, then leave him alone about it. If i want my child to wear certain shoes, certain hair, and certain socks for that matter, i will pay for him/her to go to private school. but when i send him/her to a public school, i do not expect them to tell my child how to wear their hair.

A Catholic school is totally different from this, Catholic and other private schools have their own rules and I agree that people must abide by them, because its their rules and you dont have to go to a private school. Public schools, however, need to slack off the STUPID rules such as the hair ones. Public schools have uniforms and all that, but just because a student is a boy doesn't mean he can't have long hair. As long as his hair is neat, not causing any trouble, they need to leave him alone about it. Many teens are self-conscious as it is, and if he feels better about his hair long, then leave him alone about it. If i want my child to wear certain shoes, certain hair, and certain socks for that matter, i will pay for him/her to go to private school. but when i send him/her to a public school, i do not expect them to tell my child how to wear their hair.
Me and Tom mentioned Catholic schools, but all schools have rules. Public school rules are developed by school districts. Most schools nowadays seem to be following the rules of parochial schools as far as a dress code is concerned.

Bottom line, the school district can decide what rules to have. They obviously want to cut down on certain attire of the children and teens, and part of that uniform policy includes hair. It sounds like the district allowed the boys to have long hair but the boys were not adhering to the "bent rule" of "it's ok to have long hair, just bind it up" but that didn't work. It is obvious the students knew the consequence of not binding up their hair, so they can thank themselves for that option being removed and the haircuts being enforced.

Don't think haircuts are the only rule school districts enforce, they also have the major rules regarding weapons and so forth. This is obviously an issue with parents either being lazy or not wanting to follow the rules. How fair is that to the parents and students who do follow the rules?

with all the shootings and violence and drug trafficing in schools today the way someone wears there hair should be the last thing school officals should be worrying about

Bullying, drugs, violence and all of that aside, since those arguments are distractions from the actual topic here, which is rules on hair length. Rules are rules. Students and parents know the rules going in, and if they don't want to abide by those rules, attend school elsewhere. Nobody is forcing anybody to attend. These students will learn about rules in the grown-up world quick enough. Good luck to them, when they enter the workforce, and start whining about workplace policy. See ya. NEXT! :wave:

Bullying, drugs, violence and all of that aside, since those arguments are distractions from the actual topic here, which is rules on hair length. Rules are rules. Students and parents know the rules going in, and if they don't want to abide by those rules, attend school elsewhere. Nobody is forcing anybody to attend. These students will learn about rules in the grown-up world quick enough. Good luck to them, when they enter the workforce, and start whining about workplace policy. See ya. NEXT! :wave:
Thank you. ;) Those who bring up schools should keep out weapons and talk abt violence in schools, etc. are missing the point. If your kids won't abide by simple rules such as hair length, school wardrobe, etc. then how can you expect them to abide by other rules of the school or anywhere else in life? :rolleyes:

"Our policy states that the hair (on male students) cannot extend beyond the collar in the back," said Kevin Stanford, superintendent of the Kerens Independent School District.


I'd have gotten suspended the first day of school if that rule applied where I go. :crazy:

well, don't forget that it's generally the parents forcing their children to go to specific schools. It's not like a job or something where you can just leave and go do something you like better. I don't want to grow my hair out long but if someone else wants to, that's their prerogative and they shouldn't be told no because of dated, biased, sexist regulations. If a girl is allowed to go Grace Jones on her hair, a guy should be able to go Johnny Depp on his. The length of hair shouldn't be the measure of a man, some men like having longer hair, just like there are others who like to shave their head bald.

well, don't forget that it's generally the parents forcing their children to go to specific schools. It's not like a job or something where you can just leave and go do something you like better. I don't want to grow my hair out long but if someone else wants to, that's their prerogative and they shouldn't be told no because of dated, biased, sexist regulations. If a girl is allowed to go Grace Jones on her hair, a guy should be able to go Johnny Depp on his. The length of hair shouldn't be the measure of a man, some men like having longer hair, just like there are others who like to shave their head bald.
No, it's not their perogative, as it's against the rules. Your girls with short hair analogy, sorry to say, actually makes me laugh. Short hair on girls or guys isn't against the rules, long hair on guys is against the rules. Those parents aren't doing their kids any favors by allowing them to taking this stand. There are alternative schools, where I guess things are more relaxed. At this school, it's against the rules. They can go elsewhere, if they don't want to comply. Measure of a man, good grief, lol.

If the school district makes rules, the parents and students need to abide by them. They made the rules for a reason.
i agree. you may not like the rules, but if you break them after being warned, don't whine about being punished.

well, don't forget that it's generally the parents forcing their children to go to specific schools. It's not like a job or something where you can just leave and go do something you like better. I don't want to grow my hair out long but if someone else wants to, that's their prerogative and they shouldn't be told no because of dated, biased, sexist regulations. If a girl is allowed to go Grace Jones on her hair, a guy should be able to go Johnny Depp on his. The length of hair shouldn't be the measure of a man, some men like having longer hair, just like there are others who like to shave their head bald.
The haircuts for the boys at this school are part of the dress code.

I guess no one is reading the post correctly. It is plain and simple. The dress code was enacted for particular reasons. It has nothing to do with sexist reasons, religious reasons or "guys should be guys" reason. Here is what the post said:

"The Kerens ISD dress code promotes the effective personal presentation skills which contribute significantly to successful living in adult society," the handbook explained. "The district's dress code is established to teach hygiene, instill discipline, prevent disruption, avoid safety hazards, and teach respect for authority."

Having gone to Catholic school, that was the norm. So to me this story is not shocking. If the boys had their hair touching their collars, the parents were called to have the boys picked up and taken to get a haircut. Girls couldn't wear make-up and nail polish. No tennis shoes except for P.E.

If the school district makes rules, the parents and students need to abide by them. They made the rules for a reason.
I also went to a Catholic school and it wasn't the norm. Many of the boys had long 70s hairstyles and almost everyone wore casual clothes and sneakers including myself.

Seeing stuff like this makes me glad I'm not in high school anymore.
mismatched socks,
And just how in the eff are they going to check for these?? Pull their pants legs up???

I think this hair rule is stupid. In junior high and high school I had really long hair. And no one ever considered suspending me over it because I was a good, well behaved kid.

No, it's not their perogative, as it's against the rules. Your girls with short hair analogy, sorry to say, actually makes me laugh. Short hair on girls or guys isn't against the rules, long hair on guys is against the rules. Those parents aren't doing their kids any favors by allowing them to taking this stand. There are alternative schools, where I guess things are more relaxed. At this school, it's against the rules. They can go elsewhere, if they don't want to comply. Measure of a man, good grief, lol.
well, I don't know why it would be any different between a girl who likes having short hair and a guy who likes having long hair. Society expects women to have long hair and men to have short hair, but it's fine if a woman cuts her hair. Yet a guy better not even think about letting his hair grow a certain length, even though Zac Efron, Fall Out Boy, and a lot of the "emo" guys you see on MTV all have their hair grown out a certain length.

High school is the time for a boy to let his hair grow out long if he wants to, after he gets older, usually guys want their hair shorter after they become adults because it's not quite as "cool" as it is when you're a teenager. It's not that common to find guys in their teens and early 20's to sport longer than normal hair. After about 25, unless you're a transvestite or rock star, few guys have it long. So why not like them grow it out now when they want to since most of them will have short hair in 10 years anyways. One of my friends in grade school couldn't wait till graduation (he went to public high school) so he could grow his hair long. He didn't cut his hair for a few years and it got long. I bumped into him a few months ago and he has a buzzcut now.

well, I don't know why it would be any different between a girl who likes having short hair and a guy who likes having long hair. Society expects women to have long hair and men to have short hair, but it's fine if a woman cuts her hair. Yet a guy better not even think about letting his hair grow a certain length, even though Zac Efron, Fall Out Boy, and a lot of the "emo" guys you see on MTV all have their hair grown out a certain length.

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I totally agree. I'm not saying its right for parents and kids to break rules, i'm just saying this is a stupid rule to have. I'm all for following rules and all, but when they get stupid like that, then it makes one feel stupid for following them. If its a so called "hygeine problem or safety hazard", then they better have a rule for girls to keep their hair short too. I'm all for those rule in helping these kids learn how to abide by things, but there are other ways of instilling this, not by controlling what people do with their hair. As long as its neat, long or short, there shouldn't be a problem. I guess when people start wearing extreme things such as mohawks with purple dye in them, is when disciplinary action should be taken. Thats all

I'm just thinking that while a kid is being scolded for having his hair two inches too long, another kid is probably being slammed into a locker by a bully or some other kid is getting his or herself into more serious trouble. There are more important things to be worried about inside a school. If the child in question is a good student, what is the big deal if his hair is a couple inches longer? And this is coming from someone who doesn't prefer longer hair on men either. I know it's their policy, but I still think it's bogus.

I'm just thinking that while a kid is being scolded for having his hair two inches too long, another kid is probably being slammed into a locker by a bully or some other kid is getting his or herself into more serious trouble. There are more important things to be worried about inside a school. If the child in question is a good student, what is the big deal if his hair is a couple inches long? And this is coming from someone who doesn't prefer longer hair on men either. I know it's their policy, but I still think it's bogus.

Exactly. A year ago, my younger sister was in middle school and I had just dropped her off from a doctors appointment. I was in the middle school office, signing her in, and a teacher started yelling at her to tuck in her shirt. Her shirt was sticking out in the back just a little because she had been sitting down. Then, later on that day, i find out that there were 2 boys whom had been arrested that day, because they each had a weapon on them, and the way they found out they had weapons? A student had to go and tell. Why don't they look harder for weapons instead of untucked shirts? I'll never know. This is just pertaining to my city's school district though, so i'm just saying mine is screwed. Not necessarily all of them

I totally agree. I'm not saying its right for parents and kids to break rules, i'm just saying this is a stupid rule to have. I'm all for following rules and all, but when they get stupid like that, then it makes one feel stupid for following them. If its a so called "hygeine problem or safety hazard", then they better have a rule for girls to keep their hair short too. I'm all for those rule in helping these kids learn how to abide by things, but there are other ways of instilling this, not by controlling what people do with their hair. As long as its neat, long or short, there shouldn't be a problem. I guess when people start wearing extreme things such as mohawks with purple dye in them, is when disciplinary action should be taken. Thats all
I agree. Length of hair does not have anything to do with if the kids do drugs or not or if the kid is "dirty" or not. Actually, at the high school I went to, the biggest potheads were the supposed clean-cut teens, they were rebelling since they knew they'd be the last people expected to be so. You can't assume things based on looks.

I personally prefer short hair and think it's so much more attractive (Friendsfan can attest, lol... how many times we've talked about certain guys who are in need of a haircut) but people should be allowed to express who they are as long as it's not disruptive or offensive.

Like I said before, most teenagers who just want to have emo hair or whatever today are likely going to wear it shorter ten years down the line anyways. One of my closest friends is a 36 year old named Darren. He once showed me some pics of him in high school and college and let's just say he had every bad 80's/early 90's hair cliche imaginable, but ever since I've known him, he shaves his head bald on a semi-daily basis. He prefers bald now, it looks good on him (plus I think his hairline's receded), but like how that expresses who he is today, the different color hair and cuts he sported as a teenager represented who he was then.

And i dont care how many people think this is not sexist, because it is. If this story were "A girl is mad because principal is making her shave her head" you know people would be really really mad then. This particular rule is sexist.

And i dont care how many people think this is not sexist, because it is. If this story were "A girl is mad because principal is making her shave her head" you know people would be really really mad then. This particular rule is sexist.
I agree, that's what I hate. A girl can do whatever she wants to do with her hair, but a guy better have it looking clean-cut or else. By having this "conform" attitude, all they do is make people want to rebel even more.

And i dont care how many people think this is not sexist, because it is. If this story were "A girl is mad because principal is making her shave her head" you know people would be really really mad then. This particular rule is sexist.
I don't think so, and that's a strawman argument anyway. Let's not talk 'what ifs'. Nobody would ever make a girl shave her head. They might tell her not to wear her skirts too short.

Nobody would ever make a girl shave her head.
See, that's just it. If it were a guy on the other hand, I'll bet it'd be a different story. That's why I think it's sexist.

I'm just thinking that while a kid is being scolded for having his hair two inches too long, another kid is probably being slammed into a locker by a bully or some other kid is getting his or herself into more serious trouble. There are more important things to be worried about inside a school.
Simply because there are other issues to deal with doesn't mean this becomes a non-issue. For all you know, the school could have a strict anti-bullying policy in effect.

See, that's just it. If it were a guy on the other hand, I'll bet it'd be a different story. That's why I think it's sexist.
What in the world are you talking about? Nobody would make anybody shave their head, lol.

I agree, that's what I hate. A girl can do whatever she wants to do with her hair, but a guy better have it looking clean-cut or else. By having this "conform" attitude, all they do is make people want to rebel even more.
I don't see any big rebellion going on here. Four students won't comply. It's their school record. Good luck to them. They're in for a rude awakening once they enter the real world, and realize how nobody coddles them. Follow the rules at work, or find another job. It's that simple.

What in the world are you talking about? Nobody would make anybody shave their head, lol.
Okay, I guess I did overreact to that comment a bit, but I still don't like their rule and find it to be sexist.

Simply because there are other issues to deal with doesn't mean this becomes a non-issue. For all you know, the school could have a strict anti-bullying policy in effect.
I'm not saying that they don't have a bullying policy; I'm saying that while they're probably writing up some kids for longer than normal hair, there could be a situation that's more dire that's not being tended to fast enough because they're worried about something so minor.

Okay, I guess I did overreact to that comment a bit, but I still don't like their rule and find it to be sexist.
If there are enough students who want the rule changed, there really is strength in numbers. My older sisters were in high school in the early 70s. It was a public school, and girls were not allowed to wear pants. The entire student-body staged a walk-out, and it worked. From that point on, females could wear pants. Then, the guys wanted to wear dresses. Kidding on that last sentence. :lol:

I think these students are going about it the wrong way. It needs to be organized and strong to achieve results.

there could be a situation that's more dire that's not being tended to fast enough because they're worried about something so minor.
ok....and nothing implies that there is.

ok....and nothing implies that there is.
It's a distraction technique used in debating, Sarah. Toss out a hypotheical of "possible grave importance", to take the focus of the real issue, which is four students who refuse to follow the rules.

I can play too....

"Suppose" one of those students drive to school and their long hair gets in their eyes, causing them to crash, and causes a 10-car pile up. One of the victims in that pile-up, was a scientist who was studying cancer. If the student had obeyed the haircut rule, there would probably be a cure for cancer. I'd even bet next year. ;)

then they'd better make the girls cut their long hair, too :lol:

I agree with one thing - I'm glad I'm not in school anymore!!!! :eek: :D

Janice, you have made great points.

And where does it say the school is not enforcing OTHER RULES such as weapons, bullying, etc? Some posters here keep mentioning, "the school should worry abt other things like weapons on campus, school bullying, etc." The article is merely talking abt the haircuts that were not done and therefore the cause of these students being suspended. The article doesn't state the school is suspending students for uncut hair, but the bullying persists and no school official is checking for weapons. :rolleyes:

If kids don't want to follow rules, they better get home-schooled. And if parents don't like the rules their school district enforces, then that means those parents didn't attend the meetings the school districts set up to discuss such rules. There had to be some sort of meeting or letters going out to parents mentioning the school districts' decision to make rules abt haircuts and so forth. Where were the parents then? Why didn't they speak up? Why do they wait to complain? Because it was their kid? Most likely.

If you can't follow rules set up at a school, how the hell will you follow rules in life?

It's a distraction technique used in debating, Sarah. Toss out a hypotheical of "possible grave importance", to take the focus of the real issue, which is four students who refuse to follow the rules.

I can play too....

"Suppose" one of those students drive to school and their long hair gets in their eyes, causing them to crash, and causes a 10-car pile up. One of the victims in that pile-up, was a scientist who was studying cancer. If the student had obeyed the haircut rule, there would probably be a cure for cancer. I'd even bet next year. ;)
:lol: "red herring" i believe is the term for that tactic.

:lol: "red herring" i believe is the term for that tactic.
Probably the same name for the same BS. :lol:

Another tactic I see is when a member will slam members of another site, in order to insult members of this site. It goes like this.

"I see all the loons defending Britney. They say that she's a nice person, etc......."

"I thought I had seen it all, until I actually saw a bunch of people at another site state that Paris Hilton is a good person, etc., blah, blah."

It's a tactic of intimidation, intended to make members here feel that if they agree, then they are like those other phantom posters, loons or whatever. That tactic is actually a coward's way of saying what they want to say, but attributing it to all these other people at other sites. It's as transparent as Saran Wrap.

Probably the same name for the same BS. :lol:

Another tactic I see is when a member will slam members of another site, in order to insult members of this site. It goes like this.

"I see all the loons defending Britney. They say that she's a nice person, etc......."

"I thought I had seen it all, until I actually saw a bunch of people at another site state that Paris Hilton is a good person, etc., blah, blah."

It's a tactic of intimidation, intended to make members here feel that if they agree, then they are like those other phantom posters, loons or whatever. That tactic is actually a coward's way of saying what they want to say, but attributing it to all these other people at other sites. It's as transparent as Saran Wrap.
if you're referring to me (since you used the word "loon", which I used before describing Britney fans), I can link you to the boards I was referring to

if you're referring to me (since you used the word "loon", which I used before describing Britney fans), I can link you to the boards I was referring to
:eek: Someone said that?

If you can't follow rules set up at a school, how the hell will you follow rules in life?
When Johnny Damon left the Red Sox to play for the Yankees, he had shave and cut his hair. George Steinbrenner has a rule about facial hair and long hair. I guess it's mustaches only. A man's gotta do what a man's got to do. :lol:

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once again, I don't think it's fair to compare a 15 year old kid who happens to identify with the goth or emo look and wants to look accordingly to a 30 year old who knows he needs to wear a tie and suit for a day at the office. Granted, the tie might come off the second he clocks out and you'll see him in jeans outside of work, but he chose the job he wanted and knows what he has to look like between those hours he's working. You can't compare it to the parents sending their kids to the school they want their kids going to and the kids just want to be a teenager and express themselves, and sometimes that might require longer hair.

if you're referring to me (since you used the word "loon", which I used before describing Britney fans), I can link you to the boards I was referring to
Not just loon, all sorts of words by a few members. I'm referring to anyone who does it. I've been seeing it for years. Anyone can find people on other sites that posts messages that back up their argument. If I'm posting on a thread that I believe a celeb is a nice person, and I see a member here going on about other members at other sites stating what I'm saying is ridiculous, I personally find that a cowardly way of debating.

If someone has something to say to me or anyone, I respect them more if they say it to the person, as opposed to getting their point across in a sneaky way.

once again, I don't think it's fair to compare a 15 year old kid who happens to identify with the goth or emo look and wants to look accordingly to a 30 year old who knows he needs to wear a tie and suit for a day at the office. Granted, the tie might come off the second he clocks out and you'll see him in jeans outside of work, but he chose the job he wanted and knows what he has to look like between those hours he's working. You can't compare it to the parents sending their kids to the school they want their kids going to and the kids just want to be a teenager and express themselves, and sometimes that might require longer hair.
The world's not their oyster. We live in a world full of rules, from before kindergarten on up. This is school. Who cares about them expressing themselves. Not everyone likes all the rules, but the world and the school isn't there to cater to a few students. Sometimes, we just have to suck it up and follow the rules. Let them find another another way to express themselves. Where does it end. Suppose they want to wear clothing that's against the school's rules, to express themselves. Like Irene said, homeschooling is the answer for these teens. Then, they can light their hair on fire, if that's how they want to express themselves, lol.

When Johnny Damon left the Red Sox to play for the Yankees, he had shave and cut his hair. George Steinbrenner has a rule about facial hair and long hair. I guess it's mustaches only. A man's gotta do what a man's got to do. :lol:

http://images.art.com/images/products/large/10120000/10120822.jpg


http://boles.com/called/damon.gif


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Now Im picturing the Seinfeld Steinbrenner ranting to him about it,then leaving the office and Steinbrenner conintues ranting :rotflmao:

Now Im picturing the Seinfeld Steinbrenner ranting to him about it,then leaving the office and Steinbrenner conintues ranting :rotflmao:
:lol: That Steinbrenner was classic. That was Larry David's voice we hear, yelling as Steinbrenner. I'm sure you know, but he's the co-creator of Seinfeld and star of HBO's, Curb Your Enthusiasm.

once again, I don't think it's fair to compare a 15 year old kid who happens to identify with the goth or emo look and wants to look accordingly to a 30 year old who knows he needs to wear a tie and suit for a day at the office. Granted, the tie might come off the second he clocks out and you'll see him in jeans outside of work, but he chose the job he wanted and knows what he has to look like between those hours he's working. You can't compare it to the parents sending their kids to the school they want their kids going to and the kids just want to be a teenager and express themselves, and sometimes that might require longer hair.

Sometimes, you just have to suck it up.

Life is unfair. Yeah, i know it's really hard to believe that, but it is.

There will always be rules that you don't agree with, but that doesn't mean that they should be abolished or ignored just because you find them inconvenient.

Pick and choose your battles. The students mentioned in the news story want to create a national incident over hair lengths? This is the mantle they have taken up?

It's hair. Cut it. It will grow back.

Sometimes, you just have to suck it up.

Life is unfair. Yeah, i know it's really hard to believe that, but it is.

There will always be rules that you don't agree with, but that doesn't mean that they should be abolished or ignored just because you find them inconvenient.

Pick and choose your battles. The students mentioned in the news story want to create a national incident over hair lengths? This is the mantle they have taken up?

It's hair. Cut it. It will grow back.

:clap Couldn't have said it better myself.

When Johnny Damon left the Red Sox to play for the Yankees, he had shave and cut his hair. George Steinbrenner has a rule about facial hair and long hair. I guess it's mustaches only. A man's gotta do what a man's got to do. :lol:

http://images.art.com/images/products/large/10120000/10120822.jpg


http://boles.com/called/damon.gif


http://www.switsport.com/images/products/johnny_damon_2006yanstud-lg.jpg

you know, in Steinbrenner's case, the rule paid off. I looked at other pics of him and he looks MUCH better with shorter hair and no facial hair. I am surprised mustaches are okay but goatees aren't. I know most people will grow a goatee but would never grow a mustache alone. Mustaches are so 70's porno :lol:

When Johnny Damon left the Red Sox to play for the Yankees, he had shave and cut his hair. George Steinbrenner has a rule about facial hair and long hair. I guess it's mustaches only. A man's gotta do what a man's got to do. :lol:

http://images.art.com/images/products/large/10120000/10120822.jpg


http://boles.com/called/damon.gif


http://www.switsport.com/images/products/johnny_damon_2006yanstud-lg.jpg
:thumbsup:
A real man. ;) A real man knows when he has to follow the rules and do what is asked of him. Hell, if he didn't want to cut his hair, he didn't have to go play for that team. Right?

Just like in the real world, if you don't like the rules, go somewhere else.

:lol: That Steinbrenner was classic. That was Larry David's voice we hear, yelling as Steinbrenner. I'm sure you know, but he's the co-creator of Seinfeld and star of HBO's, Curb Your Enthusiasm.
LOL yeah it was, and yeah I know thats awesome!

Mustaches are so 70's porno :lol:
:lol:

http://cenhum.artsci.wustl.edu/assets/bl/jan05-pornstar.jpg

:lol:

http://cenhum.artsci.wustl.edu/assets/bl/jan05-pornstar.jpg
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Hey, I love moustaches! every boyfriend I have ever had, had one. Can't live without the moustache. ;)

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Thats what ANCHORMAN got its full title from believe it or not :lol:

Thats what ANCHORMAN got its full title from believe it or not :lol:
I'd rather see Ron Jeremy's ^^^video than Will Farrel's ANCHORMAN. :lol: