By Jill Serjeant Reuters - 2 hours 27 minutes ago

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - After years of silence, rumour and a sordid trial, Michael Jackson has given his first major U.S. interview in a decade -- and has been pronounced normal.

Jackson, 49, appears on the front cover of the African-American magazine "Ebony" to mark the 25th anniversary of "Thriller" -- the world's best-selling studio album that also made him a superstar.

But the self-styled "King of Pop," who has largely shunned publicity since his 2005 trial and acquittal on child molestation charges, gave little glimpse of what the future holds despite hints in recent years that a comeback is in the works.

The cover photo of the magazine, whose December edition hits newsstands on November 12, is causing almost as much of a stir as the interview, which barely addresses the fallout of the trial.

Jackson is pictured dressed all in white, with a glowing peaches-and-cream skin. One post on the pop culture blog dotspotter.com commented; "Michael Jackson has to be the whitest person to ever be on the cover of Ebony magazine."

Jackson has in the past attributed his gradual skin whitening to a disease called vitiligo.

Harriette Cole, creative director of Ebony, spent a day and a half with Jackson during the photo shoot and interview and said, "he came across really as kind of normal."

"He's 49. He's a grown-up. If you learn from your challenges, then you become stronger. He certainly seemed like that," Cole told NBC's "Today" show this week. "Honestly ... he was normal."

Jackson, who has three children, told Ebony he was in the studio daily but did not specify whether he was working on a new album.

Excerpts of the Ebony interview were released as reports emerged that Jackson could lose his famous Neverland ranch home in central California.

Records obtained by the U.S. housing breakdown blog www.ml-implode.com, showed that Jackson owed $23.2 million (11 million pounds) on a $23 million loan on the property and that Neverland was listed on the foreclosure and notice of default report for Santa Barbara County.

Jackson's aides did not return calls for comment.

Jackson abandoned Neverland after the 2005 trial and has lived for a time in Ireland, Dubai and Las Vegas and is currently living on the U.S. East Coast.

The former pop superstar is reportedly planning to release a 25th anniversary edition of "Thriller" later in November with four new and four remixed tracks. He is said to have worked with Kanye West, Akon and Will.I.Am of the Black Eyed Peas.

The original 1982 "Thriller" has sold more than 104 million copies worldwide and was the first album in history to produce seven Billboard Hot 100 top-ten singles.

Reuters/Nielsen

Hes the first white lady to be on that magazine right?

Hes the first white lady to be on that magazine right?

well, you could say that :lol:

They should name the issue Ebony & Ivory. :rolleyes: :rofl:

Monika...:brent


He is going to be the next cover model for Ivory Soap.

Michael Jackson looks more like an Asian lady than white to me

ha ha that's funny:lol: :brent

:cuckoo

"Micheal Jackson declared "Normal"........on the planet Xblaq, maybe! :rolleyes:

"Micheal Jackson declared "Normal"........on the planet Xblaq, maybe! :rolleyes:
LOL or uranus

^ Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...puke:

^ :rofl:

LOL or uranus
on Uranus, is the LAST place i want to find Micheal Jackson :p

on Uranus, is the LAST place i want to find Micheal Jackson :p
Whatchatalkinabt...he won't be found on my anus. I am a female.:lol:

on Uranus, is the LAST place i want to find Micheal Jackson :p
I'm happy that I'm female - I'm SAFE from Michael Jackson!!

:lol: and you're both over 18 too! :p

Michael Jackson checked into a clinic for depression when this kid http://youtube.com/watch?v=2ftzzY5VDNU turned 18

Michael Jackson checked into a clinic for depression when this kid http://youtube.com/watch?v=2ftzzY5VDNU turned 18
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I used to love Michael Jackson when I was growing up in the 80's, to this day I can still listen to the old stuff. But however, I think he has self-destructed to the point of self-parody and blames it all on being a "victim". I don't buy it.

Okay, Michael had an abusive father, and I agree that Joseph will have to answer for this when he gets older, but becoming a child molester (granted, it hasn't been 100% proven, but much like OJ Simpson, a lot of people do believe he is guilty) and having so much plastic surgery to the extent that there isn't one feature resembling that Michael of 1983 is a little too much, and he blames it all on the victim mentality. Same with when Invincible didn't sell up to par and he started playing the role of victim instead of owning up to releasing a subpar album.

MJ is hardly the only big star to come from a bad youth that made something of himself. Oprah was a victim of rape and child molestation, Madonna lost her mother at a very young age, Mariah was teased mercilessly by classmates for being biracial, those three took childhood traumas and made something out of themselves as adults and never felt the urge to start raping children or getting so much plastic surgery that they look like Asian space aliens.

:eek: That dude is a woman. A woman from Venus, no less.

I used to love Michael Jackson when I was growing up in the 80's, to this day I can still listen to the old stuff. But however, I think he has self-destructed to the point of self-parody and blames it all on being a "victim". I don't buy it.

Okay, Michael had an abusive father, and I agree that Joseph will have to answer for this when he gets older, but becoming a child molester (granted, it hasn't been 100% proven, but much like OJ Simpson, a lot of people do believe he is guilty) and having so much plastic surgery to the extent that there isn't one feature resembling that Michael of 1983 is a little too much, and he blames it all on the victim mentality. Same with when Invincible didn't sell up to par and he started playing the role of victim instead of owning up to releasing a subpar album.

MJ is hardly the only big star to come from a bad youth that made something of himself. Oprah was a victim of rape and child molestation, Madonna lost her mother at a very young age, Mariah was teased mercilessly by classmates for being biracial, those three took childhood traumas and made something out of themselves as adults and never felt the urge to start raping children or getting so much plastic surgery that they look like Asian space aliens.

yet another excellent point made. i have nothing against MJ personally but that guy has serious emotional issues, not just ones surrounding his appearance. even if he had released a new LP right now or say next year, the only ones who'll really be interested are his fans. the rest will just shrug it off and see it as nothing special. in truth, he hasn't made that good an album since thriller and apart from the odd hits, his follow-up albums to thriller have all failed to supercede its predecessor's success

"Men are from Mars, women are from Venus", and no one knows where Wakko Jakko came from...the only thing we do know is that they don't want him back. :rolleyes:

yet another excellent point made. i have nothing against MJ personally but that guy has serious emotional issues, not just ones surrounding his appearance. even if he had released a new LP right now or say next year, the only ones who'll really be interested are his fans. the rest will just shrug it off and see it as nothing special. in truth, he hasn't made that good an album since thriller and apart from the odd hits, his follow-up albums to thriller have all failed to supercede its predecessor's success
I think the main prob with him musically is that he has failed to grow from Thriller. He has been trying to duplicate Thriller ever since, sometimes it's a hit (Bad, Dangerous), sometimes it's not, but by this point it's just sad. Thriller is the biggest album ever but MJ should've just relished in the moment and moved on afterwards. A lot of people love to compare MJ and Prince since both were black men who did more than r&b music and saw their peak during the glory days of MTV, but while Prince is a huge wackjob himself in many ways (suing his fans for putting pictures of him on the net is the latest thing), he did the smart thing and knew Purple Rain was a once in a lifetime thing for him, and followed it up with as un-Purple Rain an album possible (Around The World In A Day) because he knew he wasn't going to duplicate Purple Rain's success, so he never bothered trying, and while Around The World In A Day only sold a fraction of Purple Rain's numbers, it did prove that Prince was an artist who wasn't going to let superstardom stifle his creativity.

The thing about Prince is that he could try anything: R&B, disco, hip hop, rock, pop, slow jams, etc...Prince can do any genre and it would still be a hit. The thing I like most about Prince's music is that he is really musically a genius. He is also a great promoter as well. Hell, even the less talented or hugely talented artists that Prince was with at the time. Prince was, in many ways, ahead of his time. The guy is weird, true, but all the albums I listened to over the years never failed to keep my interest into Prince's music. As much as I enjoy MJ's music, I think Prince remains my #1 favorite artist of all times.

The thing about Prince is that he could try anything: R&B, disco, hip hop, rock, pop, slow jams, etc...Prince can do any genre and it would still be a hit. The thing I like most about Prince's music is that he is really musically a genius. He is also a great promoter as well. Hell, even the less talented or hugely talented artists that Prince was with at the time. Prince was, in many ways, ahead of his time. The guy is weird, true, but all the albums I listened to over the years never failed to keep my interest into Prince's music. As much as I enjoy MJ's music, I think Prince remains my #1 favorite artist of all times.
mine too.

I find it funny when Jacko loons always point out sales when saying why MJ is better than Prince (by that logic, High School Musical is a masterpiece, right?) like sales are the only thing that matter. MJ sold so well because he tried to be all things to all people, and not just that, he wanted that superstardom, Prince OTOH walked into superstardom, and when he had it, actually allowed himself to experiment more than he did before because he knew he had the power to do so. Yea, MJ sold more albums than Prince, but he only puts out two albums a decade, with a formula that is more tired every time he comes out with a new one, I'll choose Prince, a discography that may have climaxed in popularity in 1982-1985, but didn't stop there artistically.

I think the main prob with him musically is that he has failed to grow from Thriller. He has been trying to duplicate Thriller ever since, sometimes it's a hit (Bad, Dangerous), sometimes it's not, but by this point it's just sad. Thriller is the biggest album ever but MJ should've just relished in the moment and moved on afterwards. A lot of people love to compare MJ and Prince since both were black men who did more than r&b music and saw their peak during the glory days of MTV, but while Prince is a huge wackjob himself in many ways (suing his fans for putting pictures of him on the net is the latest thing), he did the smart thing and knew Purple Rain was a once in a lifetime thing for him, and followed it up with as un-Purple Rain an album possible (Around The World In A Day) because he knew he wasn't going to duplicate Purple Rain's success, so he never bothered trying, and while Around The World In A Day only sold a fraction of Purple Rain's numbers, it did prove that Prince was an artist who wasn't going to let superstardom stifle his creativity.
I agree.

The MJ that I know and love, no longer exists in my eyes. I grew up on The Jackson Five, The Jacksons and then the individual works of Jermaine, Michael and of course sister Janet. But I can't fathom that the man we see now is indeed normal. Something happened. I try to give him the benefit of the doubt, but when he sees nothing wrong with sleeping with boys, ASSUMING THERE IS NOTHING GOING ON, just the simple fact he can't understand the world won't see it that way. We hear of men with boys in bed and we only think of one thing: PEDOPHILES, MOLESTERS, RAPISTS, ETC. I am not talking abt a father whose child comes to sleep in his bed in the middle of the night because the child had a nightmare, feels scared, etc. I am talking abt a man who allows children to share his bed that are not even his own children. He must realize people won't see it in an innocent way, if that is in fact all it is. MJ may not want to grow up, but he can't allow his way of thinking to interfere with common sense.

I think I've given up trying to figure out Michael Jackson and how it all went wrong. If you think about it for too long, you wind up with a headache. :crazy:

Jacko's problem was that his ego got too big. He thought he was invincible. Well, not with all the loans he owes to his lawyers or losing his Neverland Ranch...Ha! Plus, that Ebony cover is just a desperate attempt at one final grasp of stardom.

I think the main prob with him musically is that he has failed to grow from Thriller. He has been trying to duplicate Thriller ever since, sometimes it's a hit (Bad, Dangerous), sometimes it's not, but by this point it's just sad. Thriller is the biggest album ever but MJ should've just relished in the moment and moved on afterwards. A lot of people love to compare MJ and Prince since both were black men who did more than r&b music and saw their peak during the glory days of MTV, but while Prince is a huge wackjob himself in many ways (suing his fans for putting pictures of him on the net is the latest thing), he did the smart thing and knew Purple Rain was a once in a lifetime thing for him, and followed it up with as un-Purple Rain an album possible (Around The World In A Day) because he knew he wasn't going to duplicate Purple Rain's success, so he never bothered trying, and while Around The World In A Day only sold a fraction of Purple Rain's numbers, it did prove that Prince was an artist who wasn't going to let superstardom stifle his creativity.

both jacko and prince have done a lot for mainstream pop over the years in a genre people would associate with white artists such as madonna and elvis, and yet they were and are regarded as the most successful afro-american/black artists in the pop scene

I agree.

The MJ that I know and love, no longer exists in my eyes. I grew up on The Jackson Five, The Jacksons and then the individual works of Jermaine, Michael and of course sister Janet. But I can't fathom that the man we see now is indeed normal. Something happened. I try to give him the benefit of the doubt, but when he sees nothing wrong with sleeping with boys, ASSUMING THERE IS NOTHING GOING ON, just the simple fact he can't understand the world won't see it that way. We hear of men with boys in bed and we only think of one thing: PEDOPHILES, MOLESTERS, RAPISTS, ETC. I am not talking abt a father whose child comes to sleep in his bed in the middle of the night because the child had a nightmare, feels scared, etc. I am talking abt a man who allows children to share his bed that are not even his own children. He must realize people won't see it in an innocent way, if that is in fact all it is. MJ may not want to grow up, but he can't allow his way of thinking to interfere with common sense.

speaking of paedophilia (or pedophilia in the US), does anyone here think that jacko got away too lightly when the abuse charges were dropped 2 years or so ago and he was cleared? people and the press even compared his victory to OJ simpson over here in the UK

Jacko's problem was that his ego got too big. He thought he was invincible. Well, not with all the loans he owes to his lawyers or losing his Neverland Ranch...Ha! Plus, that Ebony cover is just a desperate attempt at one final grasp of stardom.

plus, at one point i read that jacko wanted to do a duet with prince, and yet prince turned him down

speaking of paedophilia (or pedophilia in the US), does anyone here think that jacko got away too lightly when the abuse charges were dropped 2 years or so ago and he was cleared? people and the press even compared his victory to OJ simpson over here in the UK
yes and no. In a way, I am surprised there are a lot of producers who still wanna work with him to fulfill childhood fantasies, and I'm surprised people will still offer him a recording contract even if he's a huge legend. When OJ got off, nobody ever offered him B-movie roles again and they even stopped making Naked Gun movies. OJ may have gotten off, but the people didn't forgive him (well, 90% of the people, there are still wackjobs out there who swear he's innocent, or say "Nicole deserved it"), yet with Michael Jackson, he gets as many breaks as one with a freak reputation can be given. Michael did a lot of great music in the 70's and 80's (and some stuff in the 90's was good too), but how can anyone support present-day Jacko knowing what he's done?

That's because it is a promotion for his new song or something like that...why do you think the Ebony cover was for? It's called a comeback. Even if you are a freak of nature, the media still supports because of your childhood syndrome. That's why Michael gets more publicity...because of he is a victim of anything that happens to him. He always plays the victim.

"I never had a childhood" yada yada yada yada......bs. That's why he is famous.

The only person that turned him down was his old friend, Quincy Jones. Michael wanted to work with him again, but Quincy says he is too tired and old to do anything now.

yes and no. In a way, I am surprised there are a lot of producers who still wanna work with him to fulfill childhood fantasies, and I'm surprised people will still offer him a recording contract even if he's a huge legend. When OJ got off, nobody ever offered him B-movie roles again and they even stopped making Naked Gun movies. OJ may have gotten off, but the people didn't forgive him (well, 90% of the people, there are still wackjobs out there who swear he's innocent, or say "Nicole deserved it"), yet with Michael Jackson, he gets as many breaks as one with a freak reputation can be given. Michael did a lot of great music in the 70's and 80's (and some stuff in the 90's was good too), but how can anyone support present-day Jacko knowing what he's done?

well when you have a star as famous and as big as michael jackson, then chances are they'll get away with almost anything. if it had been a b-list or a lesser known celebrity, then they would've had the book thrown at them by the judge

Except for huge loans that he owes to his "lawyers"...:rolleyes:

That's because it is a promotion for his new song or something like that...why do you think the Ebony cover was for? It's called a comeback. Even if you are a freak of nature, the media still supports because of your childhood syndrome. That's why Michael gets more publicity...because of he is a victim of anything that happens to him. He always plays the victim.

"I never had a childhood" yada yada yada yada......bs. That's why he is famous.

The only person that turned him down was his old friend, Quincy Jones. Michael wanted to work with him again, but Quincy says he is too tired and old to do anything now.

i think the problem as i stated is that michael jackson has serious emotional insecurities and scars of which he hasn't recovered from. not only that, he uses that as an excuse in front of people like us in order for us to feel pity or sorry for him. also, his obssession with children is indeed worrying- it borders not on that of them as children, but feels he has to surround himself with them. emotionally the guy is ****ed up, mentally, his head is messed up. i don't understand why he doesn't go for help and seek a psychiatrist or a shrink

Michael also suffers from surrounding himself with "yes" men. Much like Elvis did in his day when he started losing touch with reality, Michael surrounds himself with assistants and people who are so startstruck by him that nobody will say no to him, and they continue to butter him up making him think that it's still 1984.

If Michael was surrounded by people who actually cared about his well-being and not those who were starstruck, people would've advised him to stay away from children after the 1993 controversies. I think Michael could've rebounded from then because a lot of people did believe that people were out to extort money from him. He gets off scot-free and what happens? he starts hanging with even more kids than before. He brought this onto himself, he knew better but couldn't resist having 30 kids surrounding him.

That's because it is a promotion for his new song or something like that...why do you think the Ebony cover was for? It's called a comeback. Even if you are a freak of nature, the media still supports because of your childhood syndrome. That's why Michael gets more publicity...because of he is a victim of anything that happens to him. He always plays the victim.

"I never had a childhood" yada yada yada yada......bs. That's why he is famous.

The only person that turned him down was his old friend, Quincy Jones. Michael wanted to work with him again, but Quincy says he is too tired and old to do anything now.
Jay Leno once mentioned Michael's spiel about not having a childhood: "You've had a 25 year childhood - the longest in history! Grow up! It's over!" My sentiments exactly!!

Michael also suffers from surrounding himself with "yes" men. Much like Elvis did in his day when he started losing touch with reality, Michael surrounds himself with assistants and people who are so startstruck by him that nobody will say no to him, and they continue to butter him up making him think that it's still 1984.

If Michael was surrounded by people who actually cared about his well-being and not those who were starstruck, people would've advised him to stay away from children after the 1993 controversies. I think Michael could've rebounded from then because a lot of people did believe that people were out to extort money from him. He gets off scot-free and what happens? he starts hanging with even more kids than before. He brought this onto himself, he knew better but couldn't resist having 30 kids surrounding him.

i suppose it is the people he chooses to hang out with that also influences the decisions he makes and the actions he takes. one of the negative moments of jacko's, which led to the criticisms and verbal attacks, was when he had all that plastic surgery, his alteration of his appearence and the pigment of his while skin. perhaps what he had was a disease but as those physical changes took place, so did his behaviour.

if you remembered the martin bashir interview with michael jackson programme that was on tv back in 2003, which was 4 years ago, you would've seen how unsettling it was to watch that interview- despite all the accusations that it was cut and parts of the interview were edited out. plus the scene where bashir shakes jackos hand and tells him how great he was, blah, blah blah.... also who could forget when the baby's head was covered with a blanket, whilst he was sitting on jacko's knee, i thought 'WTF?':o . bashir though did himself no favours either because he himself became a ****ing hypocrite:mad: - sure he wanted to expose jacko as a kiddie fiddler, but the fact he went about this in such a two-faced way goes to show, he's just as much a fraud as jacko himself. then again, he is a journalist, which says something doesn't it?

Ah, Bashir is an idiot. He's in the same league as Michael, which explains that interview. Michael raising his children made me question him as a true father...he is doing something that Joe Jackson did before.

here are snippets of the documentry in case you missed it, or you didn't recall it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWKTsE1IPmA

Ah, Bashir is an idiot. He's in the same league as Michael, which explains that interview. Michael raising his children made me question him as a true father...he is doing something that Joe Jackson did before.

if it had been diane sawyer or some other US journalist, instead of bashir then they would've done a much better job of it than him. last i heard he was trying to resurrect his fading career in america. i wonder how he's doing, then again as if anyone gives a **** about that two-faced idiot

I agree on that assumption.

aren't most journalists two-faced? all you have to do is look at Bill O'Reiley and Rosie O'Donnell. Five years ago they were all chummy, but once she went on The View and became the person every conservative loved to hate, Bill jumped to the front of the line to throw rocks at her.

That's journalists for you, Martin is not alone there.

aren't most journalists two-faced? all you have to do is look at Bill O'Reiley and Rosie O'Donnell. Five years ago they were all chummy, but once she went on The View and became the person every conservative loved to hate, Bill jumped to the front of the line to throw rocks at her.

That's journalists for you, Martin is not alone there.

almost all journos are money grabbing, **** suckers, who'd stoop low in order to get their story. i studied journalism at college and university- and yet, i'm glad i chose not to become one

^Exactly!... I switched my major after I already had 20 journalism units completed. It just wasn't my thing. Journalism is a very shady business, and it's getting worse everyday. Just look at People magazine... it was once a respectable mag, Time's sister publication. Now it's simply a sleeker version of Star and Us Weekly with a better reputation and bigger budget.

I don't know what to think when it comes to Michael. I love his early work and his influence on today's music scene is obvious. But he just needs to quit in trying to make a comeback. It's not going to happen. With the exception of "Butterflies," his last album (Invincible was very weak and forgettable. It couldn't even sell 2 million copies at a time (2001) when every big name was 8-10 mil albums without trying.

I think calling Invincible a flop has it's pros and cons. When you think about it, the album wasn't promoted at all and was practically abandoned after about three months, and yet it managed to sell 2 million without trying while Janet and Madonna both sold 3 million at the same time with a massive #1 hit single each, a few other hits and a successful world tour. Makes you wonder how Invincible might've done if MJ had done more than one video for it and launched a tour for it and released more than two singles off it (we're talking a man who until 2001 released 7-8 singles an album). Invincible was a very weak effort nonetheless, I think it's 2 million was a "flop" more because Sony spent $30 million recording the album than anything else, because 2.1 million with only one music video, no tour and only two singles isn't too bad, especially since Michael Jackson is always known for doing so much more for an album.

I actually think the album had it's fair share of promotion when it first was released. There's was the highly expensive "You Rock My World" video with Chris Tucker and Brando, his phenomenal 30th Anniversary special on CBS, MTV dedicated their entire week to celebrate the album's release. In fact, Sony stop promo until the album was solidified as a "flop"-- SIX MONTHS after it's release.

I didn't exactly receive the Blackout treatment.

^Exactly!... I switched my major after I already had 20 journalism units completed. It just wasn't my thing. Journalism is a very shady business, and it's getting worse everyday. Just look at People magazine... it was once a respectable mag, Time's sister publication. Now it's simply a sleeker version of Star and Us Weekly with a better reputation and bigger budget.

I don't know what to think when it comes to Michael. I love his early work and his influence on today's music scene is obvious. But he just needs to quit in trying to make a comeback. It's not going to happen. With the exception of "Butterflies," his last album (Invincible was very weak and forgettable. It couldn't even sell 2 million copies at a time (2001) when every big name was 8-10 mil albums without trying.

journalism nowadays is not about writing a respectacle article and having it published- its all about writing **** and making up bull on various people, in order to get the money and sell magazines and papers. as long as these people are rolling in the dole, they don't give a damn whose reputations they screw up and destroy- no matter how famous or well known he/she is

I think calling Invincible a flop has it's pros and cons. When you think about it, the album wasn't promoted at all and was practically abandoned after about three months, and yet it managed to sell 2 million without trying while Janet and Madonna both sold 3 million at the same time with a massive #1 hit single each, a few other hits and a successful world tour. Makes you wonder how Invincible might've done if MJ had done more than one video for it and launched a tour for it and released more than two singles off it (we're talking a man who until 2001 released 7-8 singles an album). Invincible was a very weak effort nonetheless, I think it's 2 million was a "flop" more because Sony spent $30 million recording the album than anything else, because 2.1 million with only one music video, no tour and only two singles isn't too bad, especially since Michael Jackson is always known for doing so much more for an album.

i also think that it bombed because invincible was musically speaking very different to thriller and bad as it adapted a more hiphop, r'n'b flavour to it. also the r'n'b music back then wasn't anywhere as big as it is today and infiltrating the charts as it is currently doing

For having a meltdown to call the president of Sony a racist?!?! Excuse me, but that was so stupid of him to blame that on racism because Invincible wasn't selling enough record...:rolleyes:

For having a meltdown to call the president of Sony a racist?!?! Excuse me, but that was so stupid of him to blame that on racism because Invincible wasn't selling enough record...:rolleyes:

WTF? :confused: did jacko really say that?

Yes, he did. He thought the album wasn't heavily promoted at all and blamed it on the President of Sony.

that "racism" thing always gets me LOL-ing every time. Considering all the money and promotion Sony gave Destiny's Child at exactly the same time, it was hilarious for Michael to cite racism.

WTF? :confused: did jacko really say that?
I think he called both David Geffen AND Steven Spielberg racist, if I'm not mistaken. ohno:

Yes, he did. He thought the album wasn't heavily promoted at all and blamed it on the President of Sony.

that's ridiculous. the reason it bombed was because the quality of the songs on that album were no where as good as the ones on thriller, bad etc. i listened to that album only once and have never listened to it again. btw, it was promoted- how much money did he chose to fork out on producing that entire record? millions of dollars and in the end he raked in less than $20 million of so in sales in total, and so he should spare us all that 'racism' talk he has brought up

that "racism" thing always gets me LOL-ing every time. Considering all the money and promotion Sony gave Destiny's Child at exactly the same time, it was hilarious for Michael to cite racism.

perhaps jacko wasn't at all aware that destiny's child share the same record label as him. he needs to get his facts straight before he starts making accusations and all types of excuses

that's ridiculous. the reason it bombed was because the quality of the songs on that album were no where as good as the ones on thriller, bad etc. i listened to that album only once and have never listened to it again. btw, it was promoted- how much money did he chose to fork out on producing that entire record? millions of dollars and in the end he raked in less than $20 million of so in sales in total, and so he should spare us all that 'racism' talk he has brought up
I think a main prob is that Jacko needs to get his head out of the clouds and stop trying to be so extravagant. I seriously believe it would serve his career well if he worked on a new album without any "I hope this sells half what Thriller did" nonsense. The core record-buying public today for the most part are the children of the people who bought Thriller in it's initial run. I think MJ should strip all pretenses and try to shed the hope of recapturing Thriller's magic once and for all and come back with something different. Stop trying to appeal to the kids, you're some old white lady who was popular 100 years ago in their eyes. Plus he is 49 years old, we're living in an era where US radio wouldn't even embrace Madonna despite the song and album being a blockbuster in every other country (even in America, Confessions On A Dance Floor sold the same amount with minimal airplay as Shakira did with a massive #1 song as well as the fact the album was reissued a few months after it's initial release), simply because she was about 8 years too old for their cutoff level (even tho the videos for Hung Up and Sorry both went #1 on TRL, which meant young people weren't as turned off as radio programmer feared they would). I think what hurts Michael is that he refuses to let go of the past instead of trying to put both feet forward and look to the future, while acknoledging the past. Thriller is never going to happen again, and at this age and point in time, nor will Off The Wall, Bad or Dangerous. He should just get his head out of the clouds and try to record a good album instead of trying to record an album that he hopes can duplicate Thriller's magic. Prince accepted long ago he'd never have another Purple Rain, Springsteen accepted long ago he'd never have another Born In The U.S.A., U2 accepted long ago they'd never have another Joshua Tree.... Michael, you're next.

perhaps jacko wasn't at all aware that destiny's child share the same record label as him. he needs to get his facts straight before he starts making accusations and all types of excuses
well you know MJ.... "that's ignuhence, people are ignuhent" :lol:

that "racism" thing always gets me LOL-ing every time. Considering all the money and promotion Sony gave Destiny's Child at exactly the same time, it was hilarious for Michael to cite racism.
Michael was referring to reverse racism...:lol: The "black" artists were getting all the money and promotion while the "white" artists like him :rofl: weren't.

Yeah, but you have wonder if the plastic surgery decrease his brain cells by a quarter of an inch. :rolleyes:

LOL@the people on here dissing Michael Jackson hahahahahahahahahaha. Michael has himself to blame for being weird. He should've never gotten plastic surgery on his nose and he shouldn't have lightened his skin. He should've left his face the way it was when he was black. What's the deal with him putting masks on his kids faces when they're in public? LOL. He doesn't want anybody to see his kids faces? He's a weirdo. Have ya'll heard about him being broke financially recently? I read he's been staying with a few friends because he doesn't have a place to live. That's so sad. A couple of real estate agents have turned him down for houses in Vegas and Washington DC. He also owes $23 million from a loan he got and his Neverland ranch is about to be foreclosed LOL. What a idiot. Then look at all the money he wasted on lawyers and court costs when he went to court for those child molestation accusations. I wouldn't be surprised if he was broke. I saw him on the cover of Ebony magazine recently. He looks like a woman LOL. LOL@rapper Willie D of the Geto Boys dissing Michael on the song You Still A Nig*a when he said so get a nosejob like Michael Jackson hahahahahahahahahaha.

^ the thing with MJ that is so upsetting is the fact that he has nothing to blame but himself for everything that's gone wrong. Yea, he burned his scalp in 1984 but necessary scalp surgery doesn't lead to nose-jobs and skin-bleachings and everything

Michael owes his lawyers money. What did you expect? He must be lousy on financial business if his money is dwindling away. He was regarded as the richest person in the 80s and 90s, but I guess he sucks when it comes to money itself.

Michael owes his lawyers money. What did you expect? He must be lousy on financial business if his money is dwindling away. He was regarded as the richest person in the 80s and 90s, but I guess he sucks when it comes to money itself.

plus, the people who handle his finances have messed up. whatever he is now worth in dollars, jacko isn't worth as much as he was back in the 80s

Yeah, but you have wonder if the plastic surgery decrease his brain cells by a quarter of an inch. :rolleyes:

the guy is emotionally insecure and needs to sort himself out. if he doesn't, or he chooses not to, then he's an idiot. its sad that at 49 he is in the state that he is in right now

LOL@the people on here dissing Michael Jackson hahahahahahahahahaha. Michael has himself to blame for being weird. He should've never gotten plastic surgery on his nose and he shouldn't have lightened his skin. He should've left his face the way it was when he was black. What's the deal with him putting masks on his kids faces when they're in public? LOL. He doesn't want anybody to see his kids faces? He's a weirdo. Have ya'll heard about him being broke financially recently? I read he's been staying with a few friends because he doesn't have a place to live. That's so sad. A couple of real estate agents have turned him down for houses in Vegas and Washington DC. He also owes $23 million from a loan he got and his Neverland ranch is about to be foreclosed LOL. What a idiot. Then look at all the money he wasted on lawyers and court costs when he went to court for those child molestation accusations. I wouldn't be surprised if he was broke. I saw him on the cover of Ebony magazine recently. He looks like a woman LOL. LOL@rapper Willie D of the Geto Boys dissing Michael on the song You Still A Nig*a when he said so get a nosejob like Michael Jackson hahahahahahahahahaha.

but i read somewhere that he didn't whiten his skin, its just a disease he had that black people get when their skin turns white. i've seen some black people with white blotches on their faces, hands for eg

I don't buy that crap at all. I'm sorry. I have met some people that had that disease and they would have still been in blotches worse than MJ's. No way would transform someone into a white woman overnight or destroy their nose. If he did have that disease, he could have sponsor it. Instead, it was obsessed with plastic surgery. Sad.

Does anyone think he'll ever sell the Beatles catalog? I predict that no matter how bad his money problems get, he'll still never do it.

I don't buy that crap at all. I'm sorry. I have met some people that had that disease and they would have still been in blotches worse than MJ's. No way would transform someone into a white woman overnight or destroy their nose. If he did have that disease, he could have sponsor it. Instead, it was obsessed with plastic surgery. Sad.

yeah, i suppose that if it was a skin disease of some kind, he could've went on tv and highlighted the seriousness of this problem and held campaigns on the behalf of those who do suffer from it. but no, he uses that and his childhood problems as an excuse for his failings. i've lost count on how many nose jobs and botched surgeries he's gone through, but its sad to see someone as famous and as talented as that look like well, how i can put this, a freak

Does anyone think he'll ever sell the Beatles catalog? I predict that no matter how bad his money problems get, he'll still never do it.

i think it depends on how poorer he gets and how desperately he needs the money. if push comes to shove, then i think that jacko will do it. btw, it might depend on the success of his next LP, but most would say musically he's just past it

i think it depends on how poorer he gets and how desperately he needs the money. if push comes to shove, then i think that jacko will do it. btw, it might depend on the success of his next LP, but most would say musically he's just past it
I really don't think the next recording will be a big seller - even if it gets good reviews, I think his reputation is permanently trashed. I also think his best musical days are behind him. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see, right?

I really don't think the next recording will be a big seller - even if it gets good reviews, I think his reputation is permanently trashed. I also think his best musical days are behind him. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see, right?

the only people who really care are his fans. the rest of us couldn't care less either way in truth

the only people who really care are his fans. the rest of us couldn't care less either way in truth
I hear that. I'm a fan of his music from the 1970s & 1980s, but I've never been a fan of MJ himself. There was always something about him that gave me the creeps.

I hear that. I'm a fan of his music from the 1970s & 1980s, but I've never been a fan of MJ himself. There was always something about him that gave me the creeps.

musically, he's great, well during the 60s, 70s and 80s that is, but all his hits dried up by the time it got to the 90s and 00s. i think a lot of the criticism is justified, although a lot of us would have a lot more respect for jacko, if he hadn't had all that plastic surgery, dangled his child over a balcony, admit on camera he sleeps with children etc, etc

I think the main problem is that MJ loses touch with reality so quickly. It wouldn't surprise me at all that he either lacks money skills or that he spends so much money on exotic pets, Beatle albums, etc. I really think the reason for his lack of money saving is because he never went to school to learn the value of a dollar. I mean, he spends money on things that no rich person would do. Maybe that is the reason why it is happening to him now.

He definitely isn't living in the real world and he's terrible with money. That's why his weird ass is having money problems. He should've never had a amusement park in his backyard anyway. He should've known he couldn't afford it. Plus he can't afford all those animals he got. He's a very strange guy and that's messed up that i have to say that about him when i'm a fan of his music.

I know.

I think the main problem is that MJ loses touch with reality so quickly. It wouldn't surprise me at all that he either lacks money skills or that he spends so much money on exotic pets, Beatle albums, etc. I really think the reason for his lack of money saving is because he never went to school to learn the value of a dollar. I mean, he spends money on things that no rich person would do. Maybe that is the reason why it is happening to him now.

you know, people like michael jackson and britney spears have a few things in common- childhood fame, success, adulation, but also as they have grown up, they have become more of a mess than they used to be. emotionally, they have allowed all that fame to screw up their brain cells. they are both A-list celebs, have millions of dollars in the bank, or so.

as for jacko and his personal fortunes, i guess that he thought it would buy him happiness when in truth happiness comes from within yourself, friends, family etc and not be surrounded by wealth, material gifts, animals and children. the problem is not that he is an a-list celeb- its just that for someone who is as famously huge and popular as he is around the world, michael jackson is a man who has insecurity issues and behavioural problems that other people would deem as 'not normal' that he is incapable of seeking help, in order to overcome them.

take nicole kidman for eg, she's incredibly famous, an A-lister, or Madonna another celebrity superstar and yet they have behaved in a normal fashion and not acted like a bunch of wierdos, for the sake of attention and media publicity

Nice picture of Alvin and the Chipmunks in your avatar. I've been a fan of their cartoon for a long time. I haven't seen it in a long time but iam going to go see Alvin And The Chipmunks movie next week.

"Micheal Jackson declared "Normal"........on the planet Xblaq, maybe! :rolleyes:
Hey, I've been there... a nice planet. :D

Nah, he is from Pedokron. The planet where he belongs to.

Plus, you know why he won't sell the Beatle collection? Because inside MJ is a freaking alien trying to take over the world and mankind. That's the reason why he is weird.

Nice picture of Alvin and the Chipmunks in your avatar. I've been a fan of their cartoon for a long time. I haven't seen it in a long time but iam going to go see Alvin And The Chipmunks movie next week.

thank you isiah! i chose this one because well i am a fan of the cartoons and because it is xmas, well coming to xmas anyway. i don't like the look of the chipmunks in the film version myself- i thought it would be just like the 80s, 90s cartoons themselves but they look like friggin' chip'n'dale :mad:

Nah, he is from Pedokron. The planet where he belongs to.

Plus, you know why he won't sell the Beatle collection? Because inside MJ is a freaking alien trying to take over the world and mankind. That's the reason why he is weird.

i'm probably sure the guy will cave in and he will sell it off- providing someone pushes him to do it. MJ in the last 15 years or so has lost it i'm afraid. and as for his so-called die hard fans, if they really care for him that much, then why don't they tell him to seek help and see a shrink?

waichingliu81, I love Alvin and The Chipmunks, too. My favorite is the Chipmunk movie. I still love that movie. :) Anyway, back to topic.

Had it been a D-C List star like Kathy Griffin, Scott Baio, etc. that did something like this or probably much worse: like a killing relative of theirs or maybe swindling money from their own parents, you bet your $20 that the people would say these things:

"Bitch deserved it."
"Put him in the gas chamber."
"Murderer! Creep!"
"He/She deserved what they got."

When it was with MJ's awaiting second trial, you had the fanatics, the true fans, etc. that treated him like royalty. Like he never did a damn thing wrong. Maybe Winchester and Co. can understand this. I mean, remember the trial with OJ Simpson. It was a completely divided perspective: either it was blacks cheering that he went scott free or the whites being so upset. Remember the results that happened to prove OJ's innocence?

Now, had it been a C-D Lister themselves at a trial like this, you bet it would have been a quick trial. The judge would have thrown the book at them already. They would have been treated like second class citizens. Same thing with regular people, who are either proved innocent or guilty. It would have been a snap of a finger. That's the court system for you. When you had MJ or OJ, you had more support from the "True" fans. But if your status was below the A-List status, you bet your life that there is going to be some huge hate from the crowd awaiting your trial to begin. I am telling, had it been someone who is not a A-Lister themselves, they would have spiteful, hateful, and nasty on camera if this happened. When MJ was already appearing for his second trial, the fanatics believed him as innocent. You see, how different the media pattern works? Sorry I had to go through such detail, but that's the whole truth as far as I know.

waichingliu81, I love Alvin and The Chipmunks, too. My favorite is the Chipmunk movie. I still love that movie. :) Anyway, back to topic.

Had it been a D-C List star like Kathy Griffin, Scott Baio, etc. that did something like this or probably much worse: like a killing relative of theirs or maybe swindling money from their own parents, you bet your $20 that the people would say these things:

"Bitch deserved it."
"Put him in the gas chamber."
"Murderer! Creep!"
"He/She deserved what they got."

When it was with MJ's awaiting second trial, you had the fanatics, the true fans, etc. that treated him like royalty. Like he never did a damn thing wrong. Maybe Winchester and Co. can understand this. I mean, remember the trial with OJ Simpson. It was a completely divided perspective: either it was blacks cheering that he went scott free or the whites being so upset. Remember the results that happened to prove OJ's innocence?

Now, had it been a C-D Lister themselves at a trial like this, you bet it would have been a quick trial. The judge would have thrown the book at them already. They would have been treated like second class citizens. Same thing with regular people, who are either proved innocent or guilty. It would have been a snap of a finger. That's the court system for you. When you had MJ or OJ, you had more support from the "True" fans. But if you status was below the A-List status, you bet there is going some huge hate from the crowd awaiting your trial to begin. I am telling, had it been someone who is not a A-Lister themselves, they would have spiteful, hateful, and nasty on camera if this happened. When MJ was already appearing for his second trial, the fanatics believed him as innocent. You see, how different the media pattern works? Sorry I had to go through such detail, but that's the whole truth as far as I know.

thank you for the compliments in regards to my avator :). anyhow, back to your comment, you definitely hit the nail on the head. as i said before, if michael jackson had been a c-lister or some so-called has-been celebrity then the chances are he would have been vilified. once again, i'd take another example: when he dangled his child outside a balcony a few years back. now, if it had been just you or me, you know, not that rich or famous that did what he did then child protection services would've come knocking on our door, charged us with child abuse and endangerment and we would've been sent to jail. jacko however and somehow got away with it and didn't go to jail and neither did child protection services, remove his other children and taken them into care.

also, the majority of MJ fans i think they are deluded as well as blindsided by his superstar status. they keep going on and on about how wonderful michael is, that he is a caring, sensitive, amazing person and how he would never hurt children etc, etc. whatever. the thing is though that is the impression that he and they want to paint out. but the thing is nobody's perfect. i'm certainly not perfect. i've done stupid **** during the past and i wouldn't deny that. but to constantly keep harping on and on and denying that he hasn't got a problem and that his fans don't see he has a problem, well if that is the case, then its no wonder he-as in jacko- gets ridiculed, mocked and criticised for the things he does.

the media nowdays, particularly the news channels and tabloids are two-faced hypocrites: you're flavour of the week one minute, the next they spit you out after they swallowed you up

i bet you that if michael jackson was facing those exact charges during those days but that he wasn't as big as he is and is well known by know, then he wouldn't have as many fans supporting him and following him around like sheep like they always do

the thing about the last MJ trial that made me so sick was the way he had fans all over the world camping out to cheer him on. I think a trial for pedophilia is a far different and less acceptable outlet to cheer your favorite pop star on than a concert or something. Some of the fans painted a Jesus Christ type of picture of him and that was wrong on 1000 different levels.

A lot of MJ's hardcore fans are as screwed up as he is. On another board I read, someone leaked out a website where MJ's fans post their sex fantasies with him, and let me tell you it's some of the sickest stuff ever. One of the stories was about a girl murdering her family to prove her love and loyalty to MJ. Another one dealt with eating something that comes out of MJ to prove how much she loves him, etc... There are so many sick fantasies that come out of their heads. :lol:

I think a lot of people grew up on him and are afraid to accept and realize times have changes, that the image he has in 2007 is that of a totally different liking than he had in the 1980's. It doesn't help that MJ rarely puts out new material, while constantly throwing out repetitive Greatest Hits packages and reissues of his old albums as a reminder that he was once relevant. The insanely long breaks worked in the 80's and early 90's because he used to ride an album for almost two years and then take a little time away before coming back. Invincible has been off the chart well over five years now. It's hardly like the gaps in between Thriller and Bad or Bad and Dangerous where he felt like he needed to take a little time off so people wouldn't be totally burnt out on him.

One of the reasons I much prefer Prince is because, even tho he is pretty screwed up himself (the recent suing of fan sites is just the latest thing), he has constantly grown and reinvented himself and refuses to rest on 20 year old glories. MJ's fans only love him today because of what he used to be, Prince on the other hand wants the past to be the past (his 80's albums haven't even been remastered, compared to MJ whose remastered Off The Wall and Thriller about three times already) because even if that was his most commercially successful period, he's not going to just rest on his laurels and be stuck in 1984 for the rest of his life. Prince still puts out good music today (granted Planet Earth wasn't the best, but even that was still better than Invincible IMO), as opposed to "I hope you still love me because you had 1999 and Purple Rain when you were kids". Prince acknoledges his past while looking forward, as opposed to MJ, who has become a glorified oldies artist by living off Greatest Hits packages and the memory of Thriller instead of trying to prove he still has it.

the thing about the last MJ trial that made me so sick was the way he had fans all over the world camping out to cheer him on. I think a trial for pedophilia is a far different and less acceptable outlet to cheer your favorite pop star on than a concert or something. Some of the fans painted a Jesus Christ type of picture of him and that was wrong on 1000 different levels.

A lot of MJ's hardcore fans are as screwed up as he is. On another board I read, someone leaked out a website where MJ's fans post their sex fantasies with him, and let me tell you it's some of the sickest stuff ever. One of the stories was about a girl murdering her family to prove her love and loyalty to MJ. Another one dealt with eating something that comes out of MJ to prove how much she loves him, etc... There are so many sick fantasies that come out of their heads. :lol:

I think a lot of people grew up on him and are afraid to accept and realize times have changes, that the image he has in 2007 is that of a totally different liking than he had in the 1980's. It doesn't help that MJ rarely puts out new material, while constantly throwing out repetitive Greatest Hits packages and reissues of his old albums as a reminder that he was once relevant. The insanely long breaks worked in the 80's and early 90's because he used to ride an album for almost two years and then take a little time away before coming back. Invincible has been off the chart well over five years now. It's hardly like the gaps in between Thriller and Bad or Bad and Dangerous where he felt like he needed to take a little time off so people wouldn't be totally burnt out on him.

One of the reasons I much prefer Prince is because, even tho he is pretty screwed up himself (the recent suing of fan sites is just the latest thing), he has constantly grown and reinvented himself and refuses to rest on 20 year old glories. MJ's fans only love him today because of what he used to be, Prince on the other hand wants the past to be the past (his 80's albums haven't even been remastered, compared to MJ whose remastered Off The Wall and Thriller about three times already) because even if that was his most commercially successful period, he's not going to just rest on his laurels and be stuck in 1984 for the rest of his life. Prince still puts out good music today (granted Planet Earth wasn't the best, but even that was still better than Invincible IMO), as opposed to "I hope you still love me because you had 1999 and Purple Rain when you were kids". Prince acknoledges his past while looking forward, as opposed to MJ, who has become a glorified oldies artist by living off Greatest Hits packages and the memory of Thriller instead of trying to prove he still has it.

that trial was so sensationalised it was extraordinary. interesting because back at the time it had happened in the US, during that one day i was literatelly walking in central london, piccadilly circus and i saw a jacko impersonator and a small group of fans dancing around to his hits, which were played aloud via a small radio. they were chanting things like 'michael jackson is innocent' and stuff like that. in other words, they were putting on this act in support of their man, jacko. a paedophilia case such as this was no cause for a celebration, nor for people to dance around. some of jackos fans are as crazed and wacko as the guy himself. the thing that you rightly said is what gets me and its this- every time he is and has been criticised, these people- so called 'fans' of his react as if you attack michael jackson, or criticise him in any shape of form, no matter how stupid or insane he has behaved, that they regard it as wrong and that we are not entitled to criticise him. these very people aren't what i call fans- they are people who want us to agree with everything that is being said about michael jackson in a positive sense and that we should worship him like christ himself and that he is virtually untouchable. bull ****. this is an example of how dangerously obssessive fans can be and how that obssession with one celebrity spins out of control

Sorry about my spelling grammar. I write too fast.

I prefer Prince anytime. The man is a genius. A looney, but a genius. He has been making albums since he was a teenager. That's a lot of work from someone who started at a very young age, too. He could write about sex, love, ballads, more sex, country, whatever.....something MJ would never do at all.

Of course, is the king of writing sex songs, right? He's been writing that way since he was a teenager.

Sorry about my spelling grammar. I write too fast.

I prefer Prince anytime. The man is a genius. A looney, but a genius. He has been making albums since he was a teenager. That's a lot of work from someone who started at a very young age, too. He could write about sex, love, ballads, more sex, country, whatever.....something MJ would never do at all.

i hear you, plus he can play the guitar- which is something i haven't seen jacko do. i know that people have made fun of his height and things like that, but Prince is a musical genius. too bad though that despite his success during the 80s, he was still overshadowed by jacko himself. if both jacko and prince released LPs at this current time, then prince's effort would sell more copies than jacko's and he would win by some distance. yes he can be crazy, but he's not as crazy as wacko jacko

Jacko only played the percussions with glass bottles on "Don't Stop Til' You Get Enough", but that's about it.

That really isn't much to begin with.

Sorry about my spelling grammar. I write too fast.

I prefer Prince anytime. The man is a genius. A looney, but a genius. He has been making albums since he was a teenager. That's a lot of work from someone who started at a very young age, too. He could write about sex, love, ballads, more sex, country, whatever.....something MJ would never do at all.

Of course, is the king of writing sex songs, right? He's been writing that way since he was a teenager.
I agree. Take into consideration that Prince's career began right before MJ's "adult" career did. For You coming out in 1978 and Off The Wall out in 1979. Prince has released twenty times the output MJ has (and even more when you take into considering he was practically the brains and producer and writer for The Time, Vanity 6, Apollonia 6, The Family, etc... and has written/produced stuff for Sheila E, Sheena Easton, The Bangles, No Doubt, etc...). Granted, not all of it has been hot but even on lesser albums like Come and New Power Soul, there are some great songs there. Prince is very creative and while not everything is great, he consistantly puts new material out (and 1000's of more songs in the vault). Compare this to MJ who you're lucky to get two albums a decade from. Even if one argues Michael is more consistant since he's a seasoned perfectionist, you can still stack the best 10-15 Prince songs during a period up between Jackson's album and Prince has better songs as a whole.

Prince has one of those catalogs of music similar to The Beatles, Bruce Springsteen or David Bowie where you really need a lot of time to devour and get deeper than the surface, as opposed to MJ who seems to record to appeal to the widest market possible. Prince doesn't write for the audience, he writes for himself. While that turns a lot of people off, I think it's for the greater good because you should make music for yourself instead of trying to cater to whoever the hot style is.

All that said, I love Michael's older music, but I think there is no competition between him and Prince in terms of creativity and putting out material.

Jacko only played the percussions with glass bottles on "Don't Stop Til' You Get Enough", but that's about it.

That really isn't much to begin with.

adding to that he is a great dancer, but otherwise, yeah. he is like a one-trick pony

I agree. Take into consideration that Prince's career began right before MJ's "adult" career did. For You coming out in 1978 and Off The Wall out in 1979. Prince has released twenty times the output MJ has (and even more when you take into considering he was practically the brains and producer and writer for The Time, Vanity 6, Apollonia 6, The Family, etc... and has written/produced stuff for Sheila E, Sheena Easton, The Bangles, No Doubt, etc...). Granted, not all of it has been hot but even on lesser albums like Come and New Power Soul, there are some great songs there. Prince is very creative and while not everything is great, he consistantly puts new material out (and 1000's of more songs in the vault). Compare this to MJ who you're lucky to get two albums a decade from. Even if one argues Michael is more consistant since he's a seasoned perfectionist, you can still stack the best 10-15 Prince songs during a period up between Jackson's album and Prince has better songs as a whole.

Prince has one of those catalogs of music similar to The Beatles, Bruce Springsteen or David Bowie where you really need a lot of time to devour and get deeper than the surface, as opposed to MJ who seems to record to appeal to the widest market possible. Prince doesn't write for the audience, he writes for himself. While that turns a lot of people off, I think it's for the greater good because you should make music for yourself instead of trying to cater to whoever the hot style is.

All that said, I love Michael's older music, but I think there is no competition between him and Prince in terms of creativity and putting out material.

if it wasn't for jacko, then prince would've easily been the king of pop instead of him. jacko is famous for having been a member of the jackson five, his success was mainly derived from the jackson five era and the 80s. prince is famous for the new power generation, for writing great songs like 'nothing compares 2 u' and for having artistic and creative flair and imagination. as a songwriter he is up there with the very cream of the crop in pop

I think the incident that truly showed how different MJ and Prince were was the way they followed up their biggest albums (Thriller and Purple Rain respectively). Bad was very much a sequel to Thriller and "what Thriller would've sounded like in 1987", whereas Prince knew the newfound power he had with Purple Rain and could've duplicated it and had another blockbuster album and instead did a complete 180 and did a heavily Beatles/psychedelic influenced album (Around The World In A Day) which really only had one surefire hit single (Raspberry Beret) and he didn't flinch when sales dropped from 13 million to 3 million, because it was what he wanted. He wanted to continue to evolve as an artist and appeal to his loyal fans instead of catering to the 13 million that jumped on the Purple Rain bandwagon and lose himself in the process. Part of me wonders what MJ might've become if Thriller was "only" as big as Off The Wall (which meant it still would've been a huge seller anyways, but just not so over the top that he could never live it down), since I believe MJ has been hellbent over the past twenty years to duplicate the success he had in the early 80's with Thriller, whereas Prince had a brief taste of world domination and decided it was not for him.

I posted at Michael Jackson's website several times and i dissed him on there just to see what his fans would say and i got a lot of his fans upset at me because they refuse to see that the man is weird. I remember when Michael's brothers Jackie and Jermaine were being interviewed by Barbara Walters on 20/20 about 3-4 years ago and this was around the time when Michael was going to trial about the child molestation accusations. Jackie and Jermaine were in denial about him needing psychiatric help because they said that it's the people who hang around him that make him do these weird things. I don't believe that at all. Nobody forces Michael to do anything. He's the one who decides to do this weird stuff. I remember when he was being interviewed by that indian dude Martin Bashir and Michael said to him, what's wrong with sharing your bed with kids you don't know hahahahahahahahahahaha. He's so strange. I think he's still a virgin hahahahahahahahahaha. He would rather spend time with kids he doesn't know than be with a woman.



If he was still black, he would've gotten plenty of ladies because a lot of ladies back in the day thought he was handsome. I bet Brooke Shields wanted to give him some sex LOL. Remember when she was his date at the American Music Awards in 1984? His clown ass had Emmaunel Lewis with him at the awards that year also LOL. Brooke was probably wondering why Emmanuel was with him. Remember that fat ugly white woman Deborah Rowe he was married to? I think he only married her just so she could give him some kids because he wasn't with her long. He wasn't married to Lisa Presley long. She might've stayed with him longer if he was black and he wasn't weird. I don't see how any woman could be interested in him because he's so strange. Ya'll remember that cute black woman that he was singing to in The Way You Make Me Feel video? I read that they were dating for a minute but Michael stopped talking to her because his family didn't want him to see her and she cried for several days when he stopped talking to her because she felt that he hurt her feelings.

I think the incident that truly showed how different MJ and Prince were was the way they followed up their biggest albums (Thriller and Purple Rain respectively). Bad was very much a sequel to Thriller and "what Thriller would've sounded like in 1987", whereas Prince knew the newfound power he had with Purple Rain and could've duplicated it and had another blockbuster album and instead did a complete 180 and did a heavily Beatles/psychedelic influenced album (Around The World In A Day) which really only had one surefire hit single (Raspberry Beret) and he didn't flinch when sales dropped from 13 million to 3 million, because it was what he wanted. He wanted to continue to evolve as an artist and appeal to his loyal fans instead of catering to the 13 million that jumped on the Purple Rain bandwagon and lose himself in the process. Part of me wonders what MJ might've become if Thriller was "only" as big as Off The Wall (which meant it still would've been a huge seller anyways, but just not so over the top that he could never live it down), since I believe MJ has been hellbent over the past twenty years to duplicate the success he had in the early 80's with Thriller, whereas Prince had a brief taste of world domination and decided it was not for him.

i think that this is what sets those two apart from each other- jacko's efforts post- bad, thriller and off the wall, have always churned out the same type of music as the previous LPs- which is boring, prince on the other hand is different- not all his records sound the same, listening to a track such as black sweat for eg and you can tell immediately it is a totally different record to purple rain, when doves cry and 1999 to name but many.

jacko has to make a better record, and that is by means of not coming up with a 21st century version of bad, thriller or off the wall. however, this doesn't mean he should go and revert back to his invincible days. if his next LP is anything like invincible and it ends up as a total failure- both musically and sales-wise, then jacko's career is most definitely and officially over for good by then

I wanna thank Prince for putting out Vanity, Sheila E, The Time. I used to have a crush on Vanity and Sheila E back in the day. They were so cute and sexy in the 80's. I read a recent article about Vanity in Jet magazine. She's a church preacher now in Los Angeles and she has been for awhile. She was a drug user back in the day and she almost died from drugs. It's funny to me how people become religious all of a sudden when they're doing bad things and they're about to die. How come she wasn't going to church often when she was singing songs about sex, having sex in movies and dressing like a slut? Hahahahahahahahahahaha. I've emailed her several times because she has a website and she told me one time that she didn't want me to call her Vanity anymore because she doesn't like to talk about her past. She's gonna be releasing a book soon about her life called Blame It On Vanity. She told me i can only purchase it from her website because it won't be released to bookstores.

I wanna thank Prince for putting out Vanity, Sheila E, The Time. I used to have a crush on Vanity and Sheila E back in the day. They were so cute and sexy in the 80's. I read a recent article about Vanity in Jet magazine. She's a church preacher now in Los Angeles and she has been for awhile. She was a drug user back in the day and she almost died from drugs. It's funny to me how people become religious all of a sudden when they're doing bad things and they're about to die. How come she wasn't going to church often when she was singing songs about sex, having sex in movies and dressing like a slut? Hahahahahahahahahahaha. I've emailed her several times because she has a website and she told me one time that she didn't want me to call her Vanity anymore because she doesn't like to talk about her past. She's gonna be releasing a book soon about her life called Blame It On Vanity. She told me i can only purchase it from her website because it won't be released to bookstores.

part of me still hopes one day that Vanity err Denise pulls a "KISS" and goes on an award show dressed up like a slut and announces a Vanity 6 reunion tour :lol:

Seriously tho, I don't get why she has such a stick up her ass over her religious beliefs. Donna Summer is well-known for being a devout Christian and yet she even found it in her to bring "Love To Love You Baby" back into her setlist (after 20 years or so of refusing to sing it over religious reasons)

Debbie Rowe is a money making machine whore that got rich quick by producing his "kids" and took MJ's money like it was the New York Lottery...I bet she was happy, making MJ seem like an idiot. Serves him right. He dated a woman that took the money and ran to the state border, leaving him with the "white" kids. I could just see it now....No wonder he is screwed. He deserved it.

Serves him right into trusting people with his money...

LOL@you said Vanity aka Denise Matthews has a stick up her ass hahahahahahahahahaha. Yeah when i emailed her, i told her that The Last Dragon and Action Jackson were my favorite movies of her's and she told me she didn't wanna talk about that because they brought back bad memories. How could Vanity 6 do a reunion tour when they only did one album? Hahahahahahahahahaha. Nasty Girl was their only hit song LOL. I was watching Beverly Hills Cop movie yesterday and i watched the scene when Eddie Murphy took Judge Reinhold and John Ashton to a strip club and Nasty Girl song was played in that scene. Eddie was cracking me up because he was jamming to the music LOL. He told Judge Reinhold, don't be embarrassed if your d*ck gets hard hahahahahahahahahaha. That's the whole purpose of this. Your d*ck is supposed to be hard LOL. See Taggert won't tell you if his d*ck is hard because his dick gotta stay limp and he's on duty LOL. See i'm not on duty so my d*ck can stay hard hahahahahahahahaha. Eddie is so silly. I didn't know Donna Summer was religious now. I heard Love To Love You Baby song last week. Why was she moaning so much on that song? LOL.

LOL@88survivor's comments about Michael's ex wife Debbie Rowe hahahahahahahahahahaha. She took Michael's money and ran LOL.

Donna's actually been religious since the early 1980's. She had "I Believe In Jesus" on her Wanderer album in 1980 and there were a lot of religious songs on her She Works Hard For The Money and Cats Without Claws albums. She's toned it down a lot and now she again performs songs like Hot Stuff, I Feel Love and Love To Love You Baby that she refused to perform for a time over religious reasons because she now realizes "they're just songs"

True, V6 only had one album but they could perform Apollonia 6 songs and some of Vanity's solo songs too. It wasn't a big hit but I've seen the Drive Me Wild video on VH1 Classic many times

It's funny that Denise doesn't wanna talk about her "Vanity" days, that's the only reason anyone has the slightest interest in whatever she does today.

That is because she doesn't want to be known as that Prince babe of years ago. That is why she kept such a low profile all the time. She doesn't want to be known as that woman that slept with the man himself....and she did made such a pretty mess, I say. hahahaha......anyway, screw that. Religious beliefs, my ass. That is like saying your dog is a mutant and he can't perform any more roll overs. Our response: Teach a dog new tricks.

I wonder what happened to Appolonia. The 2 girls that used to be in the group with Vanity were the girls that were in Appolonia's group. Appolonia had one song i liked called Sex Shooter. She sang that in Purple Rain movie. I saw this weird movie she did with Mark Hamill who was Luke Skywalker in Star Wars movies. Her character had voodoo powers and she was trying to get Mark to leave his wife to be with her. It was very weird and i didn't like it. I don't remember the name of the movie. Only video i've seen with Vanity is Pretty Mess.

Vanity said in the Jet magazine article that she wants to meet Prince again one day soon. She said she doesn't have any bad feelings towards him.

That is because she doesn't want to be known as that Prince babe of years ago. That is why she kept such a low profile all the time. She doesn't want to be known as that woman that slept with the man himself....and she did made such a pretty mess, I say. hahahaha......anyway, screw that. Religious beliefs, my ass. That is like saying your dog is a mutant and he can't perform any more roll overs. Our response: Teach a dog new tricks.
Denise forgets that the man who made her has become religious himself (and JW is one of the most controversial religions period) and yet while there are some songs like Erotic City he won't sing anymore, he is still Prince and still records, etc. I can see why a 50 year old overweight Denise Matthews might not wanna sing Nasty Girl or Pretty Mess today, but it is part of her past and made her famous.

She doesn't look overweight to me in the pictures i've seen of her at her website. She still has a nice body and she's still cute.

She doesn't look overweight to me in the pictures i've seen of her at her website. She still has a nice body and she's still cute.
I saw a candid photo of her not too long ago that was very unflattering, she was in Aretha territory :lol:

Oh god no, i hope she isn't as fat as Aretha hahahahahahahahahahaha.

To change the subject about Vanity's transformation from ministerville, you guys were right on the money about Janet backing out during the Jackson 5 reunion tour. It was all thanks to Dupri. You guys were right on the money on that one.

To change the subject about Vanity's transformation from ministerville, you guys were right on the money about Janet backing out during the Jackson 5 reunion tour. It was all thanks to Dupri. You guys were right on the money on that one.
Dupri is such a great businessman :rolleyes:

I don't think he's worth hell as a producer either

He's worth only a penny...not in the millions.