i just read somewhere that desi jr had a daughter with a model in 1969 when he was 17.it said that Lucille ball rejected the child as a grandchild and didnt want to have anything to do with her.then in 1989 they had a paternity test and found out he was the father.the woman's name is desiree and is supposedly writing a book about this or something,i dont know if its true but i read it on imdb.

i just read somewhere that desi jr had a daughter with a model in 1969 when he was 17.it said that Lucille ball rejected the child as a grandchild and didnt want to have anything to do with her.then in 1989 they had a paternity test and found out he was the father.the woman's name is desiree and is supposedly writing a book about this or something,i dont know if its true but i read it on imdb.

Back around 1990, this woman (his alleged daughter), who had an infant daughter by that point (Desi Jr's first grandchild) was trying to sue him or get him to acknowledge her. I don't know what ever came out of that. She was living around Boston area at that time, I think. Her mother claims she and Desi were dating for several months and she used to hang around the Here's Lucy set. How curious the "daughter's" name is "Desiree"!

Back around 1990, this woman (his alleged daughter), who had an infant daughter by that point (Desi Jr's first grandchild) was trying to sue him or get him to acknowledge her. I don't know what ever came out of that. She was living around Boston area at that time, I think. Her mother claims she and Desi were dating for several months and she used to hang around the Here's Lucy set. How curious the "daughter's" name is "Desiree"!

i kind of doubt that its true but i read that someone on imdb said she was his client but you cant believe everything you read

Remember the whole scandal that Patty Duke was pregnant with Desi Jr.'s child? :lol: It ended up that he wasn't but it was one of the biggest rumors of its time.

i kind of doubt that its true but i read that someone on imdb said she was his client but you cant believe everything you read

Well, to be honest, the woman does bear a strong resemblance to Desi. And she has Lucille Ball cheekbones.

Remember the whole scandal that Patty Duke was pregnant with Desi Jr.'s child? :lol: It ended up that he wasn't but it was one of the biggest rumors of its time.
I read about that in one of the Lucy/Desi biographies (I don't remember which one). It was believed Desi Jr. was the father of baby Sean, and Lucy was so outraged by the whole thing she threatened to have Patty Duke charged with corrupting a minor. (Desi Jr. was only 17 at the time.) It turned out that the father was another guy, then Patty Duke married John Astin and he formally adopted Sean.

Well, to be honest, the woman does bear a strong resemblance to Desi. And she has Lucille Ball cheekbones.

oh,i never saw a picture of her

Well, to be honest, the woman does bear a strong resemblance to Desi. And she has Lucille Ball cheekbones.
Can you post a pic of her Rick?

Remember the whole scandal that Patty Duke was pregnant with Desi Jr.'s child? :lol: It ended up that he wasn't but it was one of the biggest rumors of its time.

i heard about that and there was also a rumer that when Desi Sr. first saw the baby he said "He looks just like me!" but that was proven false

I read about that in one of the Lucy/Desi biographies (I don't remember which one). It was believed Desi Jr. was the father of baby Sean, and Lucy was so outraged by the whole thing she threatened to have Patty Duke charged with corrupting a minor. (Desi Jr. was only 17 at the time.) It turned out that the father was another guy, then Patty Duke married John Astin and he formally adopted Sean.

i saw a picture of Sean with his real father and they look a whole lot alike

I read about that in one of the Lucy/Desi biographies (I don't remember which one). It was believed Desi Jr. was the father of baby Sean, and Lucy was so outraged by the whole thing she threatened to have Patty Duke charged with corrupting a minor. (Desi Jr. was only 17 at the time.) It turned out that the father was another guy, then Patty Duke married John Astin and he formally adopted Sean.
I remember this in one of Lucy's books and first heard of it when Patty came out with her book, Call Me Anna.

When I first heard of this rumor I was like, "WTH?" I couldn't imagine such a thing. But it was true they were seeing each other which is why it was believed he was the father.

Can you post a pic of her Rick?

Here are some pictures of her. Actually, her name is Julia Howe. Her mother, Susan Howe, claims she had a relationship with Desi Jr. for four years. Desiree is Julia's daughter. These pictures are from 1990 when Julia was 21 and Desiree was an infant. I've posted a picture of the infant, Desiree, at the bottom. Desiree would be close to 18 by now. Also at the bottom is a side-by-side picture of Julia at 21 in 1990, and a fairly recent photo of Katharine Desiree Luckinbill, daughter of Lucie Arnaz, at about the same age. So could they be cousins?

Katharine Desiree Luckinbill, left; Julia Howe, right. (Do they look like cousins?) Julia's daughter, Desiree (now 18) as a baby, below.

Whoa, I see it! She has that Arnaz look to her that's for sure :eek:

Whoa, I see it! She has that Arnaz look to her that's for sure :eek:

And where do you suppose she got those big, blue eyes?:eek4:

And where do you suppose she got those big, blue eyes?:eek4:
One could only guess :eek: :lol:

Thank you so much Rick. Wow! the resemblance sure is uncanny. If I had to make a decision based solely on looks, I would surely vote for her being an Arnaz. Although we now have DNA at our disposal, why haven't they pursued that aspect?

Thank you so much Rick. Wow! the resemblance sure is uncanny. If I had to make a decision based solely on looks, I would surely vote for her being an Arnaz. Although we now have DNA at our disposal, why haven't they pursued that aspect?

This lawsuit was filed back in 1989 or 1990 before DNA testing was being done. I never heard the outcome of that lawsuit. Perhaps Desi Jr. fessed up to it, I don't know. If not, I would think she would pursue that option. At the time this lawsuit came out, Desi Jr. was asked by a reporter whether Julia was his child. He said he didn't know. The fact that he would answer that way, leaving open the possibility she might be his daughter, suggests at least that he did have a relationship with Julia's mother, Susan Howe. And he was, after all, listed on Julia's birth certificate as the father. So in my opinion, based on these facts plus -- as you put it -- that uncanny resemblance, she is his daughter. Her features remind me a lot of Lucie Arnaz.

I think the reason Lucille Ball did not want to acknowledge her as Desi child at the time was for fear of scandal. Though how sad for this girl. Lucy was of that generation where stories like this could ruin a career (think Loretta Young who avoided scandal by pretending her daughter had been adopted, and Ingrid Bergman, whose career was destroyed for awhile because she DID acknowledge her out-of-wedlock pregnancy). Can you imagine it coming out in 1968 that a woman had become pregnant by Lucy's 15 year-old son (she was born in early '69 just after Desi turned 16)? Lucy often said the reason she put her kids on her show was so she could "keep an eye on them." I wonder if this had anything to do with that decision?

Up to that point, Lucy's parenting had been pretty unorthodox. I mean, how many parents would let their 14 year-old travel the country in a band unchaparoned, and in the wild '60s no less? And no surprise, a year later he's got some girl pregnant. I guess Lucy learned her parenting from her own mother who allowed Lucy, at 15, to go off and live in New York City with no adult supervision. How many of you would ever let your 15 year-old daughter go off and live in New York City without you?!! The very thought of it blows my mind.

Thank you for this insightful post.

I too believe with the words that Desi Jr. expressed, it only leaves one to believe he did in fact have a sexual relationship with that woman, whether he in fact impregnated her or not, well, only God knows at this point I suppose. :crazy: And as you pointed out, Desi probably has acknowledged it in private, we may never know. It surely is his business, however this woman has made it public information and she will have to live with that aspect.

Thank you for this insightful post.

I too believe with the words that Desi Jr. expressed, it only leaves one to believe he did in fact have a sexual relationship with that woman, whether he in fact impregnated her or not, well, only God knows at this point I suppose. :crazy: And as you pointed out, Desi probably has acknowledged it in private, we may never know. It surely is his business, however this woman has made it public information and she will have to live with that aspect.

Yeah, that's true. But I can imagine it would be very hurtful not to be acknowledged all those years by the man you believe to be your father. On the other hand, the timing of the lawsuit seems curious. It was late 1989 or early 1990 when she filed it, just months after Lucille Ball passed away. It makes me wonder (and I feel like I'm goss'pin here), did Lucille Ball perhaps pay her mother hush money all those years? I have to wonder why Susan Howe would keep quiet for so long. What was her motivation not to ever speak out? Is it possible Lucy was supporting her financially for all those years as long as she kept quiet? Then it's 1989 and Lucy's gone, so the money suddenly stops coming. Lucy's estate goes to Lucie and Desi Jr.. So the only way to keep the money coming is to sue Desi Jr.?

Whoa, I see it! She has that Arnaz look to her that's for sure :eek:
I noticed the resemblence too!:eek:

I also remember a story about Desi jr having an affair with an older woman at one point and they called it something like The Graduate. Then there was the time that Lucy put all his belongings together and had them delivered to the woman's house, anybdy know who that was? I also heard rumors about Victoria Principal at one point.

I also remember a story about Desi jr having an affair with an older woman at one point and they called it something like The Graduate. Then there was the time that Lucy put all his belongings together and had them delivered to the woman's house, anybdy know who that was? I also heard rumors about Victoria Principal at one point.
Really? Well, I know it isn't Victoria Principal. Victoria was dating the late singer Andy Gibb, who was younger than her.

Really? Well, I know it isn't Victoria Principal. Victoria was dating the late singer Andy Gibb, who was younger than her.
I read that Victoria Principal dated Desi Jr. briefly in the 1970s. She dated Andy Gibb from 1981-82.

I think the OLDER WOMAN rumor or story was told during Lucie's first wedding to Phil Vandervoort, as the wedding was front page news in some areas, made the cover of the New York Daily News, with teh entire family posing for a picture together. I even remember hearing ONE story about Desi jr being gay, can you imagine? That's like that Cesar Romero story about him claiming to have slept once with Desi sr, LOL!

By the way, we currently have one thread over at The Lucy Lounge where some blogger claims Lucy and Reagan had an affair that produced twins, can you imagine how stories like this get started? LOL!:lol:

Check out this link for Desi Jr:
http://www.celebritynooz.com/watn/desi.html

I had totally forgotten he was also romantically linked to LIZA MINNELLI...:faint: Of course she was a young, beautiful lady during that time. I think of her now and it just amazes me how her life turned crazy.

I am so shocked to read abt him with Victoria Principal. Being the huge DALLAS fan that I am, I am really surprised I never heard of this. I can see if I had forgotten, but I never knew. Wow!

Yeah but he dated her BEFORE she made a big splash in Dallas, she was just promiscuous back then from what i've read, not as famous as she later became. As for Liza, i agree, she even looked straight at him in the audience when she won the Oscar for Cabaret i think. She was such a great talent, Lucy was like a second mama to her after Judy died. It was Lucy who told her that paying off all of her mom's debts was admirable but to make sure they were all legit and get receipts for everything. I think it was even Lucy who got them together in the first place. I never forgot the story where they stayed in her Roxbury guest house without coming out for days on end and Lucy wondering what the heck they were doing in there all that time, LOL!

Katharine Desiree Luckinbill, left; Julia Howe, right. (Do they look like cousins?) Julia's daughter, Desiree (now 18) as a baby, below.

Check out this link. The young woman in the photo is referred to as Desi Jr.'s "niece" Desiree. I'm wondering if it's actually Julia Howe's daughter, Desiree, and thus (I strongly believe) Desi Jr.'s granddaughter. This, of course, would indicate that Desi Jr. did finally establish a relationship with "daughter" Julia, and consequently "granddaughter" Desiree.

http://www.humorinthenews.com/BCBCo/pages/photos2.html

That's interesting, I was wondering what Desi was up to these days.

Check out this link. The young woman in the photo is referred to as Desi Jr.'s "niece" Desiree. I'm wondering if it's actually Julia Howe's daughter, Desiree, and thus (I strongly believe) Desi Jr.'s granddaughter. This, of course, would indicate that Desi Jr. did finally establish a relationship with "daughter" Julia, and consequently "granddaughter" Desiree.

http://www.humorinthenews.com/BCBCo/pages/photos2.html
Would this mean that Desi Jr. is passing his granddaughter off as his niece? I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I thought it all ended well, with acceptance? I'm missing something here. Whose "career" would it damage now, if he acknowledged his own granddaughter? Is that Desi Jr's daughter, Julia, also in that photo, or is it his "cousin" or someone like that?

Really? Well, I know it isn't Victoria Principal. Victoria was dating the late singer Andy Gibb, who was younger than her.
Irene, here's a slideshow with Desi Jr. and Liza. Not sure if it's been posted before.

http://imdb.com/gallery/mptv/1294/13007_0009.jpg.html?path=pgallery&path_key=Arnaz%20Jr.%2C%20Desi&seq=6

Irene, here's a slideshow with Desi Jr. and Liza. Not sure if it's been posted before.

http://imdb.com/gallery/mptv/1294/13007_0009.jpg.html?path=pgallery&path_key=Arnaz%20Jr.%2C%20Desi&seq=6
OMG, I hadn't seen that before. Thank you for finding that for me. ;) :wave:

OMG, I hadn't seen that before. Thank you for finding that for me. ;) :wave:
Jr. sure got around back in the day, but this his looks, who could resist him? :grineyes:

Yeah, i loved the story of Lucy having all his belongings dropped off at the mansion of the lady he was seeing at one point, LOL! Victoria Principal, Patty Duke, Liza, among many others, then again, this kid was dating at 12, at his sister's wedding, everybody was gossiping about HIS latest conquest.

This lawsuit was filed back in 1989 or 1990 before DNA testing was being done. I never heard the outcome of that lawsuit. Perhaps Desi Jr. fessed up to it, I don't know. If not, I would think she would pursue that option. At the time this lawsuit came out, Desi Jr. was asked by a reporter whether Julia was his child. He said he didn't know. The fact that he would answer that way, leaving open the possibility she might be his daughter, suggests at least that he did have a relationship with Julia's mother, Susan Howe. And he was, after all, listed on Julia's birth certificate as the father. So in my opinion, based on these facts plus -- as you put it -- that uncanny resemblance, she is his daughter. Her features remind me a lot of Lucie Arnaz.

I think the reason Lucille Ball did not want to acknowledge her as Desi child at the time was for fear of scandal. Though how sad for this girl. Lucy was of that generation where stories like this could ruin a career (think Loretta Young who avoided scandal by pretending her daughter had been adopted, and Ingrid Bergman, whose career was destroyed for awhile because she DID acknowledge her out-of-wedlock pregnancy). Can you imagine it coming out in 1968 that a woman had become pregnant by Lucy's 15 year-old son (she was born in early '69 just after Desi turned 16)? Lucy often said the reason she put her kids on her show was so she could "keep an eye on them." I wonder if this had anything to do with that decision?

Up to that point, Lucy's parenting had been pretty unorthodox. I mean, how many parents would let their 14 year-old travel the country in a band unchaparoned, and in the wild '60s no less? And no surprise, a year later he's got some girl pregnant. I guess Lucy learned her parenting from her own mother who allowed Lucy, at 15, to go off and live in New York City with no adult supervision. How many of you would ever let your 15 year-old daughter go off and live in New York City without you?!! The very thought of it blows my mind.
It blows my mind too. Unreal. That's what I've been saying. As the father of two little girls, I can't imagine turning away a child as Desi Jr. did, or a grandchild as Lucy did. Just disgraceful. How this woman is revered, I'll never understand.

Check out this link. The young woman in the photo is referred to as Desi Jr.'s "niece" Desiree. I'm wondering if it's actually Julia Howe's daughter, Desiree, and thus (I strongly believe) Desi Jr.'s granddaughter. This, of course, would indicate that Desi Jr. did finally establish a relationship with "daughter" Julia, and consequently "granddaughter" Desiree.

http://www.humorinthenews.com/BCBCo/pages/photos2.html
That poor girl. Even with Lucy long dead, her family still hides her. Passing your own daughter off as your niece. Desi. Jr. is an emotional coward who feared his mother, even in death. It boggles my mind.

Yeah, that's true. But I can imagine it would be very hurtful not to be acknowledged all those years by the man you believe to be your father. On the other hand, the timing of the lawsuit seems curious. It was late 1989 or early 1990 when she filed it, just months after Lucille Ball passed away. It makes me wonder (and I feel like I'm goss'pin here), did Lucille Ball perhaps pay her mother hush money all those years? I have to wonder why Susan Howe would keep quiet for so long. What was her motivation not to ever speak out? Is it possible Lucy was supporting her financially for all those years as long as she kept quiet? Then it's 1989 and Lucy's gone, so the money suddenly stops coming. Lucy's estate goes to Lucie and Desi Jr.. So the only way to keep the money coming is to sue Desi Jr.?
I agree completly with your theory. Makes perfect sense. Thanks for putting it all together. :)

It blows my mind too. Unreal. That's what I've been saying. As the father of two little girls, I can't imagine turning away a child as Desi Jr. did, or a grandchild as Lucy did. Just disgraceful. How this woman is revered, I'll never understand.
Huh, maybe because she's provided laughter for over a half century to the world and is considered a comic genius, what have YOU ever accomplished in your life that comes close to that? Moderating a board?:confused: :lol:

I agree completly with your theory. Makes perfect sense. Thanks for putting it all together. :)
It does make sense doesn't it? I mean, it seems the girl's mother is guilty herself of selling out her child for $$$$. As soon as the money runs out and her "benefactor" dies, she feels the need for more money. So, the mother of this little girl lost is not so innocent herself.

To me, if I was the mother of a child who was being ignored by her biological family, my ass would be in court so damn quick to ensure my child gets what she legally has coming to her. To hell with the publicity, my child's well-being comes first.

It does make sense doesn't it? I mean, it seems the girl's mother is guilty herself of selling out her child for $$$$. As soon as the money runs out and her "benefactor" dies, she feels the need for more money. So, the mother of this little girl lost is not so innocent herself.

To me, if I was the mother of a child who was being ignored by her biological family, my ass would be in court so damn quick to ensure my child gets what she legally has coming to her. To hell with the publicity, my child's well-being comes first.
Irene, can you imagine trying to go up against Lucy? If I was that child's mother, I would have gone public the minute I learned they were going to shun her. Desi Jr. would have had to pay support anyway. That child had a right to be a part of her own family. Even those who make the claim that it would ruin Lucy's career (in the 70s, lol), then why didn't Lucy bring her into the family fold when her show ended? It wasn't the poor girl's fault that she was illegitimate. People were having babies out of wedlock left and right back then. These were the days of free love, man. :D Where was Desi Sr. in all of this? It was his grandchild too. Was Lucy's wrath so powerful that even he was afraid to defy Lucy's cruel directive? Evidently so, because the daughter isn't fully embraced by the family, even now. Was she included in that warm and fuzzy home movie that Lucie put together? I don't recall seeing her.

Irene, can you imagine trying to go up against Lucy? If I was that child's mother, I would have gone public the minute I learned they were going to shun her. Desi Jr. would have had to pay support anyway. That child had a right to be a part of her own family. Even those who make the claim that it would ruin Lucy's career (in the 70s, lol), then why didn't Lucy bring her into the family fold when her show ended? It wasn't the poor girl's fault that she was illegitimate. People were having babies out of wedlock left and right back then. These were the days of free love, man. :D Where was Desi Sr. in all of this? Was Lucy's wrath so powerful that even he was afraid to defy Lucy's cruel directive? Evidently so, because the daughter isn't fully embraced by the family, even now. Was she included in that warm and fuzzy home movie that Lucie put together? I don't recall seeing her.
She was not part of that. I wonder with this day and age of internet, gossip running rampant, things not being hidden so well anymore, how is it that this hasn't surfaced? :confused:

She was not part of that. I wonder with this day and age of internet, gossip running rampant, things not being hidden so well anymore, how is it that this hasn't surfaced? :confused:
There was a lawsuit, and I recall hearing that it's discusssed in books. Quite honestly, I think that with Lucy and Desi long gone, and given that their kids never generated much interest, or for that long anyway. I don't think anyone cares. It's like Desi Jr., whatever. In today's world, it's simply not enticing enough. It would be like if we found out today that Charo had a secret love child with some 70s semi-celeb (the kind that appeared on The Love Boat), not many people would care. They would care way back when, but not now. The Arnaz ship has sailed, with the parents gone. Now, if a love child of Desi Sr. surfaced, that would surely get some press, lol.

There was a lawsuit, and I recall hearing that it's discusssed in books. Quite honestly, I think that with Lucy and Desi long gone, and given that their kids never generated much interest, or for that long anyway. I don't think anyone cares. It's like Desi Jr., whatever. In today's world, it's simply not enticing enough. It would be like if we found out today that Charo had a secret love child with some 70s semi-celeb (the kind that appeared on The Love Boat), not many people would care. They would care way back when, but not now. The Arnaz ship has sailed, with the parents gone.
Yeah, very true. I can see how that it wouldn't be much hoopla now.

Yeah, very true. I can see how that it wouldn't be much hoopla now.
Hoopla, lol. Haven't heard that word in a while.

Hoopla, lol. Haven't heard that word in a while.
:lol: I am old school Janice. ;)

Now, if a love child of Desi Sr. surfaced, that would surely get some press, lol.

I'm surprised there aren't any. Like, several. lol

I know! That surprises me too. :lol:

Hi All,
I am the original author of the thread of Desi Jr's secret child. Her name is Julia Arnaz since the 90's after DNA proved she was indeed the daughter of Desi Jr. And Julia's daughter is Desiree, after Julia's middle name inwhich Susan named her after Napoleon's love Desiree not for DeDe, Lucy's mom. Believe that or not!!

Susan was NOT paid off by Lucy, and from all accounts Desi Sr. was not aware of this child born to his 16 year old son with whom Susan had NO idea he was soo young since he had his own place, finances and was in a club called the "Daisy" in LA when she met him. He took her to the Lucy Show set on their first date where Susan met Lucy in her dressing room.

Now..... Just recently there was a posting on Daily Blabber in July of this year that read:

Celebrity Research Analyst said:
This is just like that questionable question of Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz having another daughter. I have heard about her for years and as a research analyst for this specific topic, I have been following these celebs closely. I found that there are two more granddaughters that are part of the Ball-Arnaz clan. One who self professes her DNA with her father (jr.) back in the 90's who in my opinion only looks a little like both Desi and Lucy. She defintely has her mom's eyes, not Lucy's. The other one who I found on my space is vaguely vague about who she is, but not afraid to post photos of her and her sons. Which if my calculations are correct WOWZA. She looks like both Lucy and Desi more than the juniors do. Not to mention hubba hubba on her older son whose a spittin image of Desi. She's a head on her shoulders not like jr's kid. They are night and day. I guess "Lucy, You've some splainin' to do" I found her on my space she's www.myspace.com/supersportsmom

I have been in contact with this other young girl who is mentioned besides Julia and this story goes deep!! It seems Lucy may have had a secret child as well.

Stay tuned for more details.

Wow...sordid.

I lost the tree after Lucy and Desi. You posted Julia, Susan, Desiree. Wouldn't the granddaugher of Desi Jr be another last name?

I'm confused. Lucy and Desi had a secret child and gave it away, and Desi Jr. had a secret child too. That family is too secretive and strange for me to understand.

It would not surprise me if Desi Sr. had another "child" out there other than the two he had with Lucy. Certainly he slept around enough for that to have been possible. But the idea that Lucy and Desi had a third child together and gave it away is ridiculous. It makes no sense at all as they tried for 10 years to have children, and Lucy suffered at least two miscarriages.

Lucy could never have hidden a pregnancy in 1940s Hollywood, nor would she have simply given away a child she conceived with Desi. Nor would Desi have wanted her to. It's laughable.

It would not surprise me if Desi Sr. had another "child" out there other than the two he had with Lucy. Certainly he slept around enough for that to have been possible. But the idea that Lucy and Desi had a third child together and gave it away is ridiculous. It makes no sense at all as they tried for 10 years to have children, and Lucy suffered at least two miscarriages.

Lucy could never have hidden a pregnancy in 1940s Hollywood, nor would she have simply given away a child she conceived with Desi. Nor would Desi have wanted her to. It's laughable.


I agree - just doesn't jive to me. Is there anywhere proof that Lucy might have tried to get out of Hollywood's spotlight to hide a pregnancy? That portion of it I would be very skeptical about. But as for Desi and Desi Jr. possibly having other kids out there wouldn't surprise me one bit. It almost would surprise me if they didn't!

I'm surprised there aren't any. Like, several. lol
Ditto!!

Sorry - a little off topic, but Looooocy - I love your screen name!!! I call that to my female Pomeranian (who's actual name is Eeka) and she comes running! LOL Or if she's on my lap and I say it, she starts licking me like crazy. My dog Loves Looooocy! :lol:

Sorry - a little off topic, but Looooocy - I love your screen name!!! I call that to my female Pomeranian (who's actual name is Eeka) and she comes running! LOL Or if she's on my lap and I say it, she starts licking me like crazy. My dog Loves Looooocy! :lol:

LOL! Thank you! Somehow, I don't think you're the only person who does that with their dog. When you're calling for an animal or even a person who doesn't immediately appear, it's just too tempting to fall back on that popular piece of Americana. When I think about my favorite catchphrases from the show, this one tops the list. Nobody could say it like Ricky, and it lives on in as being so identifiable with the show.

Can you imagine if Ricky had just been a plain old American husband? So much of the humor would have been lost. Sometimes things work out exactly the way they're supposed to! ;)

Those photos of Julia Howe are uncanny. You can see Arnez all over her face.

I am I the only one who doesn't see any resemblance?

I am I the only one who doesn't see any resemblance?
I don't, either.

I don't, either.
Oh good. I thought maybe I wasn't seeing something.

Oh good. I thought maybe I wasn't seeing something.
Nope!!

Those photos of Julia Howe are uncanny. You can see Arnez all over her face.

She looks like Lucy Arnez when she was younger.

She looks like Lucy Arnez when she was younger.

Who is Lucy Arnez?

Has anyone heard any further information since this story broke (and exploded) in September about Lucy and Desi's allegedly "lost" first daughter? The last thing I heard is that several people who were associated with this woman, who claims to be Lucy and Desi's granddaughter, have since distanced themselves from her, claiming she's a fraud. But then some anonymous person posted a comment in February that she was laying low because she's pregnant, but there would soon be a big media event with loads of evidence supporting her claims. Well, she's now had her baby, so I'm looking forward to this media event. I'm not at a point of completely dismissing what the woman is claiming (about her late mother being Lucy and Desi's first child), but I'm having trouble making sense of her story for the following reasons:

1) When the story broke in September, it was stated that the child was born in June 1947 and Lucy and Desi gave up the "love child" because Lucy was worried about her image being tarnished. Well by June 1947, Lucy and Desi had been married for six-and-a-half years (!), so she wouldn't have been a "love child." So that explanation for Lucy and Desi giving her up does not hold water.

2) If there was some other reason, like not being able to establish a career because of a baby, well that doesn't make sense, either, because by 1947, Lucy already had a career. She hadn't reached superstar status yet, but she was still considered a star and had no trouble getting movie roles, and was constantly on the radio.

3) Lucy's film "Her Husband's Affairs" was shot in February and March of 1947, and retakes were shot in early May, just weeks before the alleged birth, which means she would have been very, very pregnant at the time. I've seen that movie and she didn't look pregnant to me!

4) In late May 1947, photographs were taken of her in a bathing suit. She and Desi were seen in Phoenix in April. And in early June, the month she was supposed to be going into labor, she arrived in Princeton, NJ to start rehearsals for "Dream Girl," which went on tour later that month. How is it possible that she got photographed in a bathing suit, gave birth to a child, had time to get up on her feet, learn and rehearse the entire show, then head out on tour to perform it, all in the same month? And nobody ever saw a belly? Her gestation period must have been shorter than a cat's.

5) Lucy and Desi had their church wedding in 1948 at the insistence of Desi's mother, who was convinced they were unable to bear a child because their 1940 marriage was not in a church. So if Lucy had actually had a child in 1947, she would have to have hid the entire pregnancy from Mrs. Arnaz. Desi was very close to his mother and I'm sure she was around a lot (as is typical in latino cultures). It doesn't seem plausible that Delores Arnaz would never have noticed Lucy being pregnant.

6) Then there's the obvious: Lucy wanted desperately to hold her marriage together and have a family with Desi. It's kind of hard to do that if you give the child away. And if she really didn't want a kid, why did she allow herself to get pregnant again in 1950 and, after she miscarried in that pregnancy, get pregnant immediately afterwards with Lucie? And then yet again with Desi Jr? It seems to me they really wanted to have a baby.

7) Lucy and Desi were both so family oriented. Desi struggled to establish a career after his family lost everything in Cuba, and always took care of his mother. When Lucy came to Hollywood in 1933, as soon as she was able, she bought a house and moved her entire family (mother, brother, cousin, grandparents, etc.) from New York to California to live with her. And she always found jobs for her family members, either on her shows, or with her company. If family meant so much to them, how is it possible for them to have given up their own flesh and blood, their first-born child?

So can somebody please 'splain?

Hi All,
Now..... Just recently there was a posting on Daily Blabber in July of this year that read:

Celebrity Research Analyst said:
This is just like that questionable question of Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz having another daughter. I have heard about her for years and as a research analyst for this specific topic, I have been following these celebs closely. I found that there are two more granddaughters that are part of the Ball-Arnaz clan. One who self professes her DNA with her father (jr.) back in the 90's who in my opinion only looks a little like both Desi and Lucy. She defintely has her mom's eyes, not Lucy's. The other one who I found on my space is vaguely vague about who she is, but not afraid to post photos of her and her sons. Which if my calculations are correct WOWZA. She looks like both Lucy and Desi more than the juniors do. Not to mention hubba hubba on her older son whose a spittin image of Desi. She's a head on her shoulders not like jr's kid. They are night and day. I guess "Lucy, You've some splainin' to do" I found her on my space she's www.myspace.com/supersportsmom

I have been in contact with this other young girl who is mentioned besides Julia and this story goes deep!! It seems Lucy may have had a secret child as well.

Stay tuned for more details.

Who is Lucy Arnez?
I'm sure you know it's just a misspelling of Lucie Arnaz. What I'm not sure of is why you feel the need to point it out. :rolleyes:

I'm sure you know it's just a misspelling of Lucie Arnaz. What I'm not sure of is why you feel the need to point it out. :rolleyes:

Because it's a big pet peeve, that and Dezi Arnez. Show them a little respect and spell their names correctly. Don't be so careless. I always proofread my comments and make sure I'm not misspelling a name before I post. Besides, Desi's name appears in the opening and closing credits of every episode. It's not as if it's a secret.

Has anyone heard any further information since this story broke (and exploded) in September about Lucy and Desi's allegedly "lost" first daughter? The last thing I heard is that several people who were associated with this woman, who claims to be Lucy and Desi's granddaughter, have since distanced themselves from her, claiming she's a fraud. But then some anonymous person posted a comment in February that she was laying low because she's pregnant, but there would soon be a big media event with loads of evidence supporting her claims. Well, she's now had her baby, so I'm looking forward to this media event. I'm not at a point of completely dismissing what the woman is claiming (about her late mother being Lucy and Desi's first child), but I'm having trouble making sense of her story for the following reasons:

1) When the story broke in September, it was stated that the child was born in June 1947 and Lucy and Desi gave up the "love child" because Lucy was worried about her image being tarnished. Well by June 1947, Lucy and Desi had been married for six-and-a-half years (!), so she wouldn't have been a "love child." So that explanation for Lucy and Desi giving her up does not hold water.

2) If there was some other reason, like not being able to establish a career because of a baby, well that doesn't make sense, either, because by 1947, Lucy already had a career. She hadn't reached superstar status yet, but she was still considered a star and had no trouble getting movie roles, and was constantly on the radio.

3) Lucy's film "Her Husband's Affairs" was shot in February and March of 1947, and retakes were shot in early May, just weeks before the alleged birth, which means she would have been very, very pregnant at the time. I've seen that movie and she didn't look pregnant to me!

4) In late May 1947, photographs were taken of her in a bathing suit. She and Desi were seen in Phoenix in April. And in early June, the month she was supposed to be going into labor, she arrived in Princeton, NJ to start rehearsals for "Dream Girl," which went on tour later that month. How is it possible that she got photographed in a bathing suit, gave birth to a child, had time to get up on her feet, learn and rehearse the entire show, then head out on tour to perform it, all in the same month? And nobody ever saw a belly? Her gestation period must have been shorter than a cat's.

5) Lucy and Desi had their church wedding in 1948 at the insistence of Desi's mother, who was convinced they were unable to bear a child because their 1940 marriage was not in a church. So if Lucy had actually had a child in 1947, she would have to have hid the entire pregnancy from Mrs. Arnaz. Desi was very close to his mother and I'm sure she was around a lot (as is typical in latino cultures). It doesn't seem plausible that Delores Arnaz would never have noticed Lucy being pregnant.

6) Then there's the obvious: Lucy wanted desperately to hold her marriage together and have a family with Desi. It's kind of hard to do that if you give the child away. And if she really didn't want a kid, why did she allow herself to get pregnant again in 1950 and, after she miscarried in that pregnancy, get pregnant immediately afterwards with Lucie? And then yet again with Desi Jr? It seems to me they really wanted to have a baby.

7) Lucy and Desi were both so family oriented. Desi struggled to establish a career after his family lost everything in Cuba, and always took care of his mother. When Lucy came to Hollywood in 1933, as soon as she was able, she bought a house and moved her entire family (mother, brother, cousin, grandparents, etc.) from New York to California to live with her. And she always found jobs for her family members, either on her shows, or with her company. If family meant so much to them, how is it possible for them to have given up their own flesh and blood, their first-born child?

So can somebody please 'splain?
All seem like good points to me.

:wave: hi my name is Julia Arnaz aka Julia Howe, I legally have changed my name after my DNA was done w/ my father Desi jr in 1990, 99.93 percent I am indeed a Arnaz. thank you for some of your nice comments, and I am sorry for those who truly do not understand the whole story. My father has stepped up to the plate and we are working on a strong and healthy relationship now for 16 years.He is paying for his only granddaughter's college, and has put me through many rehabs.
I am happy to say I live drug free, from that horrible drug called cocaine.
I never knew this site existied about me until my daughter Desiree showed me, so i felt I shold post on my behalf and my family and myself.All my best to you guys here on this thred, truly Julia Arnaz"Cook"

Hi to all I really want to make something clear, My grandmother never gave birth to a child in 1947. This women somehow managed to get her story out to the press, and in the mean time tryed to tarnish my grandmother and grandfather Desi sr good name, shame on her. I got proof that this women lied about alot of thing's I got this information from her sister, the one she claimed was her lawyer the whole time, WELL I got a hold of this women and she couldnt believe her name was being used through out the whole story.
The things she told me about CC were not surprising, I knew this story did not make sense, besides my Father Desi jr laughed at the whole story, and told me it was just NOT TRUE. Its sad this girl obviousely has some problems acording to her foster sister and she said " she is crazier then a bed of nails"
her exact word's. so with that said I kind of feel sorry for someone who has the need to fabricate such a story, and in the mean time try and discredit ME and my family. so this story is over.. I wish I could go public to clear my poor granparents name, but lets face it, no one really cares about this story, my grandparents are long gone, so lets let them rest in peace. Truly Julia Arnaz.

FYI, here's a link to Julia's story: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPFMo_ZuxBw It's nice to know things have worked out in the end.

:wave: hi my name is Julia Arnaz aka Julia Howe, I legally have changed my name after my DNA was done w/ my father Desi jr in 1990, 99.93 percent I am indeed a Arnaz. thank you for some of your nice comments, and I am sorry for those who truly do not understand the whole story. My father has stepped up to the plate and we are working on a strong and healthy relationship now for 16 years.He is paying for his only granddaughter's college, and has put me through many rehabs.
I am happy to say I live drug free, from that horrible drug called cocaine.
I never knew this site existied about me until my daughter Desiree showed me, so i felt I shold post on my behalf and my family and myself.All my best to you guys here on this thred, truly Julia Arnaz"Cook"

Celebrity Research Analyst said:
This is just like that questionable question of Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz having another daughter. I have heard about her for years and as a research analyst for this specific topic, I have been following these celebs closely. I found that there are two more granddaughters that are part of the Ball-Arnaz clan. One who self professes her DNA with her father (jr.) back in the 90's who in my opinion only looks a little like both Desi and Lucy. She defintely has her mom's eyes, not Lucy's. The other one who I found on my space is vaguely vague about who she is, but not afraid to post photos of her and her sons. Which if my calculations are correct WOWZA. She looks like both Lucy and Desi more than the juniors do. Not to mention hubba hubba on her older son whose a spittin image of Desi. She's a head on her shoulders not like jr's kid. They are night and day. I guess "Lucy, You've some splainin' to do" I found her on my space she's www.myspace.com/supersportsmom



this here thred above is the girl who was claiming to be my grandparents granddaughter, IS NOT comming from a cleb analyst, it is the girl her self, she dose this all the time makes phony post like this one,myself and family and a few other people found out some really ugly things about this young women, we talked to her foster sister who is a lawyer in NV told us this girl is crazer then a bed of nails and she has been known to make up stories her whole life, someone who had a very shady past of lies and deception, SO CC give it up, your gig is up.... NOW LET MY GRANDPARENTS REST IN PEACE !!

Hi Julia,

I noticed you're a currently listed as a member of the Lucy-Desi Center, which I guess means you have voting rights there? Do you know how things are going at the center now? I know the last year has seen a lot of turmoil with the whole Ric Wyman situation (and at the same time that the economy has been going down the tubes). I'm not trying to stir up any of that drama here, but just wondering how things are going now and if they're back on track. I know there were quite a few layoffs, and museum hours were being cut back. What does the outlook look like going forward? Is there any danger of anything being closed?

Celebrity Research Analyst said:
This is just like that questionable question of Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz having another daughter. I have heard about her for years and as a research analyst for this specific topic, I have been following these celebs closely. I found that there are two more granddaughters that are part of the Ball-Arnaz clan. One who self professes her DNA with her father (jr.) back in the 90's who in my opinion only looks a little like both Desi and Lucy. She defintely has her mom's eyes, not Lucy's. The other one who I found on my space is vaguely vague about who she is, but not afraid to post photos of her and her sons. Which if my calculations are correct WOWZA. She looks like both Lucy and Desi more than the juniors do. Not to mention hubba hubba on her older son whose a spittin image of Desi. She's a head on her shoulders not like jr's kid. They are night and day. I guess "Lucy, You've some splainin' to do" I found her on my space she's www.myspace.com/supersportsmom



this here thred above is the girl who was claiming to be my grandparents granddaughter, IS NOT comming from a cleb analyst, it is the girl her self, she dose this all the time makes phony post like this one,myself and family and a few other people found out some really ugly things about this young women, we talked to her foster sister who is a lawyer in NV told us this girl is crazer then a bed of nails and she has been known to make up stories her whole life, someone who had a very shady past of lies and deception, SO CC give it up, your gig is up.... NOW LET MY GRANDPARENTS REST IN PEACE !!

The Lucy and Desi Center, is up and running just fine, In fact my Aunt Lucie is headlining this May, and I will also bo joining her at the fesavil in Jamestown Ny this May :) this will be my first time in Jamestown.:lol:

The Lucy and Desi Center, is up and running just fine, In fact my Aunt Lucie is headlining this May, and I will also bo joining her at the fesavil in Jamestown Ny this May :) this will be my first time in Jamestown.:lol:

That sounds great. I've only been to Jamestown once, and that was way back before the festival got to be such a big deal. But I have friends who go about every year and always have a good time. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. It's a cute town, and Celoron is very pretty. It ought to be fun hanging out with Lucie. I've met her only very briefly a couple times, but she seems like a fun person. I understand Fred Ball's widow, Zo Ball, will also be there.

Hi Julia. I was wondering how your mother handled this whole situation. I understand she moved back to Connecticut to raise you? But I've wondered if she was concerned at the time about being an adult while Desi Jr. was only 15. Did she realize the possibility of legal trouble? The laws in California are pretty strict about that. But I'm guessing Lucy and Desi would not have wanted to pursue anything along those lines because of the negative publicity it would generate; it would have exposed them as not-very-attentive parents (and I'm assuming Lucy and Desi Sr. ultimately knew about everything, whether or not they believed their son was responsible). Personally, I think they should have been paying closer attention to what was going on with their kids, but workaholic Lucy was too preoccupied with her work, and Desi Sr. was sadly too preoccupied with drinking and gambling. I guess in the end, it was meant to be, or else you wouldn't be who you are.