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ClassicTVGal 10-03-2007, 08:05 PM Let's get this board "alive" again...even with all our busy lives...
When do you think/believe the Harry/Christine "romance" started? Meaning the first signs they liked each other, etc.
Episode(s), lines, looks, and everything in-between.
nitcrt1 10-04-2007, 06:57 AM Good question. I'd have to say that the connection happened from day one...at least on Harry's end. Remember, Harry had that innocent line to her, "Our children would be blonde. Genetics. It's my hobby."
Let me get back to you on when I thought Christine started to show signs of feelings.
nitcrt1 10-06-2007, 10:08 AM So, I gave this question a bit more thought. I think the door broke wide open for each of them with the whole Judge Eve Gardner episode. This episode had Harry bringing his emotions for Christine to the surface. He ignored them for so long that when things finally hit him, they hit him hard. On the other side of the fence, Christine showed how hurt she was over Harry's actions. She felt he "deserted" her which was something uncharacteristic of his personality. Why would she feel that way over what he did, if in some way she didn't have feelings for him? I think Christine's true turning point came when she almost married that geek Bill. In the instant that she and Roz had that conversation in the ladies room, she was forced to bring her feeling to the surface by pondering the possibilities.
If you think about it, Harry and Christine's feelings were brought to the surface during jealous fits in a way. Harry was shocked over Christine's impending marriage to a wet blanket. Christine was appalled at Harry for sleeping with a woman who she felt was an uncompassionate wench.
Ah, love. :lol:
ClassicTVGal 10-06-2007, 08:14 PM Good points.
Not to mention later in the series with Tony and Margaret.
ekkostar 10-10-2007, 08:51 AM Am I the only one that didn't really like Tony and Margaret? I feel like they were just add-on characters in the way that stole the main characters' spotlights. Not to mention I hated the way Margaret had to leave Harry in the end. Poor guy. Crushed him (In the next episode he was very depressed and not himself, as I recall). I think romance was one of the worst things about Night Court because everyone ended up feeling horrible afterward. The only people that ever ended up happy was Bull and... I forget her name because I don't watch Season 9 much.
nitcrt1 10-11-2007, 06:45 AM You're not the only one who disliked Tony and Margaret. I didn't like them either. Neither of them seemed to fit the dynamic of the show or the characters with whom they were involved at the time. I felt they actually altered the original personalities of the characters.
Wanda was Bull's wife.
ClassicTVGal 10-11-2007, 07:34 PM No ekkostar, you're not 'alone' in not liking the two. I also don't care for them. I would have definately liked the show if they were neevr added. Tony seemed to have more on the show then Margaret did. We didn't know much about them to begin with. Tony was SO wrong for Christine. And it wasn't like her to 'jump' into a relationship with someone, esp kiss them after they had just met and couldn't stand each other, so to speak. (It seems that leans more on her side than his in "The Lady and the Cop" episode) He wasn't even her type for cryin' out loud!
And as for Margaret, I also didn't care how Harry tosses his picture of Mel into the drawer and replace it with Margaret's. (no one liked that, lol) So not him. Another thing, the Halloween ep., "Death Takes A Halloween", after he begins dating her, he doesn't give 'a-hootin atty' about stuff like that. When he says that line about some people growing out of childish stuff, I'm like NOT YOU!!
[Christine: "I don't get it."]
Well-- I do. It's Margaret's doing! (lol)
Also he's not the type to just move in with a girl, is he? I don't think so. I definately know Christine's not. {I'm not saying she *did*, b/c she didn't move in with Tony. Or at least I personally don't believe it. I hated how they had her stay the night with that kid though. UGH! She's definately the 'purest' out of the bunch! (meaning the most modest and descent)
In the very back of their minds/hearts (Christine/Harry) they still had those thoughts and feelings, no matter what anyone says.
I think I'll stop for now... haha.
Makoto_4 10-12-2007, 03:19 AM Not having seen the show in a long time, reading these posts made think about the last 3 seasons. Actually, make that seasons 7 and 8 since season 9 barely grabbed my interest. Anyway, I still wonder if Tony was not right for Christine, then why did they rush to get married, then end it, and later try to get back together again? I also wonder why would Harry fall for someone like Margaret? Whatever the reasons, I wasn't happy with the direction Harry and Christine took after their relationships with Margaret and Tony crashed. I still couldn't believe that Christine, of all people, would sleep with the young male artist. She isn't the type who would fool around like Dan.
Speaking of Dan, what were the writers thinking of having Dan being the goody-goody type around seasons 8 and 9? It's one thing to have him show his softer side from time to time to prove he wasn't a self-serving, sex-starved D.A. It's another to drastically change his character to make him sleazy-free.
Even though I liked the "Death Takes a Halloween" episode for Harry and the doctor/Spirit of Death talking about dying and mental illness (good food for thought), how different would the episode be if Harry continued on celebrating Halloween and not dismissing that holiday as childish?
The more I think about the responses here, the more I think the show was at its best during seasons 3 through 6. Though seasons 1 and 2 weren't quite on par, they were better than parts of seasons 7 and 8 and all of 9.
For now, I'll have to think Christine/Tony and Harry/Margaret were all a dream and Harry will wake up next to Christine. :)
-Makoto4
nitcrt1 10-12-2007, 06:49 AM Makoto_4 you posed the questions, "If Tony was not right for Christine, then why did they rush to get married, end it, then get back together again?" and
"Why would Harry fall for someone like Margaret?"
The answer is simple for both parties...they were both trying to fill a void in their lives, so they took the first available person.
Christine really didn't want to rush into marriage, but faced with the prospect of being alone and having to begin again she married Tony on impulse. If you recall, Christine regretted the decision after the fact. When Tony returned from Columbia, she got back together with him again for the sake of their son. When Tony tried to slide his way back into Christine's life, she knew that the two of them being together again would be a bad idea. However, they chose to be friends because of Charlie which is a good thing. Christine knew what she had done was a mistake. She was beginning to find herself again when she started to "hang out" with Harry.
Harry fell for Margaret because he was out of options. You have to almost think from a psychological point of view. When Harry had a girlfriend, if something went wrong, in the back of his mind he still had Christine. She was off the table, so he really had to look. Harry was lonely and looking for love.
As for the direction both took after their failed relationships, I didn't like it either but it could be a realistic reaction. Christine lost her identity. She was feeling depressed and wasn't feeling loved. As a result, she engaged in an act uncharacteristic of her personality to try and gain a false feeling. Harry was in the same boat. He was depressed, because he had to start again. At his age, he was doubtful he'd ever find anyone again. Let's face it, he had rotten luck with women. Something always evolved that dampered his hopes and spirit in terms of relationships. Christine was always there to help in out.
This is why it was so nice to see everything come full circle with them. They, in a sense, discovered each other.
I agree about Dan. We loved to hate Dan because he was a sleeze but had that soft side underneath. Too much of the soft side made him less than intetesting. It's like making Dr. Gregory House a perfect angel with a great bedside manner. It simply doesn't work.
I hated Harry not engaging in Halloween. Margaret sucked the fun right out of him. Whatever happened to loving someone for who they are?
Seasons 3-6 were great, 7 was okay, 8 had some highlights, 9 was a nightmare.
I'll stop my rant now. I have to get going.
ekkostar 10-15-2007, 09:59 AM Not to stray from the topic, but it's nice to see tha a lot of Night Court fans are also House M.D. fans. It adds a new dimension to the fandom. Are any NC fans Moonlighting fans as well? I can't think of two better TV shows from the 1980s.
I agree about Dan. We loved to hate Dan because he was a sleeze but had that soft side underneath. Too much of the soft side made him less than intetesting. It's like making Dr. Gregory House a perfect angel with a great bedside manner. It simply doesn't work.
Everybody around here knows about my seething hate for Breakdown Dan. :) I think that Dan Fielding "romances" would have worked better had the other party had as strong a sexual desire and interest in kink that he did. Then again the writers and producers behind the show would have had to battle the censors for THAT relationship!
nitcrt1 10-15-2007, 05:47 PM [QUOTE]Everybody around here knows about my seething hate for Breakdown Dan. :) I think that Dan Fielding "romances" would have worked better had the other party had as strong a sexual desire and interest in kink that he did. Then again the writers and producers behind the show would have had to battle the censors for THAT relationship!
I love your comment. Back then the censors would have had a field day with that kind of relationship. Today, that kind of behavior is common practice like "Two and A Half Men." This show is funny, but I don't know how they get away with what they do.
I *love* "House." It's a great show with a great cast. Hugh Laurie is amazing. I'm such a "House" addict that I pop in different episodes from my Season DVDs constantly. I'm going to suffer this week since it will be pre-empted by the baseball playoffs.
ekkostar 10-15-2007, 06:12 PM I love your comment. Back then the censors would have had a field day with that kind of relationship. Today, that kind of behavior is common practice like "Two and A Half Men." This show is funny, but I don't know how they get away with what they do.
I *love* "House." It's a great show with a great cast. Hugh Laurie is amazing. I'm such a "House" addict that I pop in different episodes from my Season DVDs constantly. I'm going to suffer this week since it will be pre-empted by the baseball playoffs.
One of my all time favorite Night Court scenes is when the two men are fighting over the custody of a cat ('Billie and the Cat') and Dan bluntly says "The p*ssy in question"! It gets me everytime because everyone knows that at that time, network television didn't allow such words and the writers had to get around that by making the "dirty" a direct reference to the subject.
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