Early numbers:

6.8/11 in the overnights. Fast nationals will be available soon.

It was #1 in its half-hour timeslot just beating the first half-hours of Kid Nation and Deal or No Deal on CBS and NBC by a hair. Fox was third in the 8-9pm hour because 'Til Death dropped to a 5.7/9 in the overnights. Fox sitcoms averaged a third place 6.3/10. Kid Nation averaged 6.4/11 for second place in the hour. And Deal or No Deal was first at 6.5/11. All very close!

Comparing BTY's overnight premiere to 8 Simple Rules' overnight premiere (which also debuted a week before the season in 2002) of 13.0/21, it was almost half of that. That show also had two huge sitcom stars. Final fast nationals for that series' premiere was 11.0/18 (17.294 million).


Fast nationals will be available around noon, then final numbers will be available later in the day.

Considering the plight of sitcoms today, I think it did pretty good. Fox needs a better sitcom to team it with though.

I dont understand comparing it to 8 Simple Rules but ... I think that's pretty darn good, but can it maintain it?

I found the pilot very enjoyable. I'd certainly continue watching, actually. It seemed very old school sitcom, yet also current.

I even enjoyed 'Til Death last night and wasn't that fond of it last year.

I dont understand comparing it to 8 Simple Rules but ... I think that's pretty darn good, but can it maintain it?

I found the pilot very enjoyable. I'd certainly continue watching, actually. It seemed very old school sitcom, yet also current.

I even enjoyed 'Til Death last night and wasn't that fond of it last year.
I don't either since that was 5 years ago and sitcom ratings have gotten a lot worst since then. Yea usually their is a drop off after the premiere so hopefully it won't be too bad. Pushing Daisies hasn't premiered yet either.

I really thought the premiere would be close to 8 Simple Rules' premiere numbers. I guess I should have compared it to 'Til Death's premiere numbers from last year, which also was before the start of the season. 8 Simple Rules was also the last most anticipated sitcom, like Back to You.
So, here is the comparison to 'Til Death's series premiere from Sept. 7, 2006: all final numbers...5.7/10 HH, 8.82 million, 3.1 18-49 rating.

Fast national ratings: 6.0/10 for BTY...4.9/8 for 'Til Death. 9.4 million for BTY and 7.8 million for 'Til Death. 3.1 18-49 rating for BTY and a 2.7 for 'Til Death.

If BTY can do 7-9 million each week, Fox will be extremely pleased. It certainly isn't the next Two and a Half Men. It really would have been better if this sitcom was on CBS and Big Bang Theory on Fox. Next 2 weeks will be key for BTY.

Other new series numbers:
Kid Nation: 9.1 million
Kitchen Nightmares, Fox: 6.6 million
Gossip Girl, CW: 3.7 million

Final numbers will be available later in the day.

I had a feeling BTY would win its timeslot. Pavanbadal, you're right that the next few weeks will be crucial. If the show can keep its momentum, then FOX should be happy. I'm intrigued by this show and have always enjoyed the work of both Grammer and Heaton. It'll be fun to follow the show.

I just hope there are no more serious moments until after halloween

I was actually expecting it to do over 10 million, but it came pretty close to that, which is really good nowadays. I'm sure the new ABC sitcoms will come nowhere near that. now I'm wondering what BBT will do this Monday. Knowing the shows it was up against, I'm very surprised a sitcom actually beat out 2 reality series. Now that's what a great sitcom nowadays is all about-LOL

Anyways, a very enjoyable Pilot episode. One of the best half hours I've had in awhile. I was really expecting so much seriousness, but I was pleased they added a mix of seriousness and hilariosity to the show. Hope the show keeps up it's numbers!

I was actually expecting it to do over 10 million, but it came pretty close to that, which is really good nowadays. I'm sure the new ABC sitcoms will come nowhere near that. now I'm wondering what BBT will do this Monday. Knowing the shows it was up against, I'm very surprised a sitcom actually beat out 2 reality series. Now that's what a great sitcom nowadays is all about-LOL

Anyways, a very enjoyable Pilot episode. One of the best half hours I've had in awhile. I was really expecting so much seriousness, but I was pleased they added a mix of seriousness and hilariosity to the show. Hope the show keeps up it's numbers!



I won't start taking the ratings seriously for the show until mid october

I won't start taking the ratings seriously for the show until mid october

True. Plus, the real season doesn't start until next week. I think the next episode's ratings will grow, then when Pushing Daisies premieres, it'll be down to around 7-8 million.

It takes about 3 or 4 weeks for the ratings to stabilize too.

I didnt see it...i probably would have, but, I got home about 10 mins in and I didnt see the point in watching 3/5 of a show i dont even know

True. Plus, the real season doesn't start until next week. I think the next episode's ratings will grow, then when Pushing Daisies premieres, it'll be down to around 7-8 million.

I doubt it will grow. Next week it will face Dancing with the Stars. If it can just maintain 7-9 million per week, maybe Fox will move it elsewhere. But where? I'm sure we will see post-Idol airings to inflate the ratings, like they did with 'Til Death.

I doubt it will grow. Next week it will face Dancing with the Stars. If it can just maintain 7-9 million per week, maybe Fox will move it elsewhere. But where? I'm sure we will see post-Idol airings to inflate the ratings, like they did with 'Til Death.

I forgot about DWTS. I keep thinking it's on Mondays still-LOL

I would say it needs more than 7-9 million to come back next season. FOX is a network that doesn't play around with their lowrated shows, like they did with last season shows Drive and The Winner. They didn't do good, so were cancelled immediately. Once spring comes, if they moved to Wednesdays at 9:30 after Idol (if Idol isn't an hour on wednesdays) numbers would inflate bigtime.

I doubt the numbers will rise much at 8pm for pre-idol tune-ins. The 8:30 half hour will rise for Til Death, but 8pm is still early for those tuneins. Maybe if they moved the show to Monday nights at 8pm, against the CBS comedies, it'll do better.

Dancing premiere is three nights next week...should be huge. Well if they brought 'Til Death back, they would bring this back, unless it drops to like 4-5 million.

Or maybe if they would give BTY up to CBS, it would do better, lol.

Comparing 'BTY' with anything else is pretty stupid, but eh. The rating was good and I believe Fox has a keeper.

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The new Fox network comedy "Back to You," starring TV sitcom veterans Kelsey Grammer and Patricia Heaton, got off to a promising start as the No. 1 show in its time slot, Nielsen Media Research reported on Thursday.

The TV newsroom comedy pairing two of U.S. television's best-known talents, averaged 9.4 million viewers on Wednesday night to eclipse the debut of the highly anticipated -- and controversial -- reality show "Kid Nation" on CBS.

"Back to You" ranked as the night's second-most watched broadcast overall behind the NBC hit game show "Deal or No Deal," which drew 9.7 million viewers.

It also tied at No. 1 with another Fox offering, chef-to-the-rescue show "Kitchen Nightmares," in the night's ratings race for viewers aged 18 to 49, the group generally most prized by advertisers.

The launch of "Back to You" is seen in the TV industry as a key test of whether a traditional TV sitcom can thrive in an era when such shows are being crowded out by reality TV, drama-comedy hybrids and a new breed of single-camera comedies shot in a more cinematic style, without a studio audience.

The show marks an especially big gamble for Fox, a network better known for its cartoon fare such as "The Simpsons," gonzo sitcoms like "Married ... With Children," edgy dramas like "24" and the hit talent show "American Idol."

Grammer, who played snooty psychiatrist Frasier Crane for 20 years on "Cheers" and spinoff sitcom "Frasier," stars on "Back to You" in the similarly pompous role of TV news anchor and womanizer Chuck Darling, hitting a mid-life career crisis.

After an on-camera gaffe costs him a plum job in Los Angeles, Darling lands back at his old Pittsburgh station with his former co-anchor and paramour, Kelly Carr, played by "Everbody Loves Raymond" veteran, Heaton.

Executives at Fox, which began as a network tailored to young viewers, say they are counting on "Back to You" to help build a more mainstream audience.

Fox is a unit of media company News Corp.

Fox has to be comparing it to 'Til Death's premiere numbers last year. BTY did a bit better than that premiere in HH and viewers (not by much really), but it was tied in 18-49. I say disappointing start, but if it can maintain these numbers, it'll be fine.

Final numbers:
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=209725

Fox has to be comparing it to 'Til Death's premiere numbers last year. BTY did a bit better than that premiere in HH and viewers (not by much really), but it was tied in 18-49. I say disappointing start, but if it can maintain these numbers, it'll be fine.

Final numbers:
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=209725


I disagree, it was a very good start. It won't maintain that, but Fox is no CBS yet. Why people would want to watch a bunch of Z list "stars" dance than watch a good, old school comedy is beyond me.

I was expecting huge numbers for the premiere. 12-15 million I was predicting. Because it started a week before the actual season. 9.48 million I would have thought for the second week. But like I said, if it can maintain 7-9 million, it will be fine for Fox.

Back To You debut: No.1 FOX program of the night and No.2 network program of the night.

Back To You, FOX's new hilarious sitcom, got off to a flying start in the US yesterday attracting an impressive 9.4m viewers.

The show was No.1 in its timeslot among Total Viewers, Adults 18-49 and 25-54, fending off Deal or No Deal, NBC premiere.

Back To You stars Kelsey Grammar of Frasier fame and Patricia Heaton from TEN's hugely successful Everybody Loves Raymond team up as on-air TV news presenters.

The show was a firm favourite with other international program buyers at this year's LA Screenings.

Back To You will be coming to TEN in early 2008.

http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/enews/back-to-you-210907.html

I would say that so far every show that has premiered this Fall has gotten of to a disappointing start AT BEST.

Nashville was a huge bomb last Friday(no real surprise there)
Kid Nation had tons of hype and buzz and could not even manage 10 million viewers
Gossip Girl was very low for The CW, just matching OTH's premiere last year despite tons of positive buzz and promotions
Survivor last night was down 15% vs. last season's premiere

Now most shows have not premiered yet, but I would expect a lot more shows to get off to disappointing starts next week. Sadly it's a trend and not limited to one network or one show.

Just about every article I've read is stating that Back To You got a good start in terms of ratings. I haven't read one article that stated the numbers were bad. I've read a couple of poor reviews, but none that are ragging on the numbers.

I would say that so far every show that has premiered this Fall has gotten of to a disappointing start AT BEST.

Nashville was a huge bomb last Friday(no real surprise there)
Kid Nation had tons of hype and buzz and could not even manage 10 million viewers
Gossip Girl was very low for The CW, just matching OTH's premiere last year despite tons of positive buzz and promotions
Survivor last night was down 15% vs. last season's premiere

Now most shows have not premiered yet, but I would expect a lot more shows to get off to disappointing starts next week. Sadly it's a trend and not limited to one network or one show.
I'm a Prison Break fan and that show really stumbled out of the gate.

I'm a Prison Break fan and that show really stumbled out of the gate.

Yep, that's another one.

Deal or No Deal and 5th Grader are both down as well.

K-Ville seems to have been the exception to the rule so far, but next week it faces Heroes, DWTS, and the CBS comedies, so it'll drop big time most likely.

My point here is that I don't think Back to You's ratings were bad. I actually thought it would only get 11-12 million viewers, so it wasn't that far off, and when you consider how low-rated most sitcoms are now, I think it did pretty good. I honestly think the days of a half-hour sitcom getting close to 15 million viewers are gone, sadly, and the number of other scripted shows doing that is going down also.

I would say that so far every show that has premiered this Fall has gotten of to a disappointing start AT BEST.

Nashville was a huge bomb last Friday(no real surprise there)
Kid Nation had tons of hype and buzz and could not even manage 10 million viewers
Gossip Girl was very low for The CW, just matching OTH's premiere last year despite tons of positive buzz and promotions
Survivor last night was down 15% vs. last season's premiere

Now most shows have not premiered yet, but I would expect a lot more shows to get off to disappointing starts next week. Sadly it's a trend and not limited to one network or one show.

Actually, Survivor maintained 15 million viewers for its premiere, which is so far the highest rated premiere this season. And, you have to remember that the show is in it's 15th season. Any show that far getting 15 million is a bigtime success.

I was expecting a lot more for BTY as well. When I cam here Thursday morning, and saw it only got 9.4 million, I was shocked, but I didn't know how to put it. With all the advertising Fox did, plus online buzz and good reviews, it should have easily gotten over 12 million. I think it'll keep declining in viewrship, until they put it on after American Idol, where it'll do over 20 million, and be brought back for next season, just like Til Death-LOL

Actually, Survivor maintained 15 million viewers for its premiere, which is so far the highest rated premiere this season. And, you have to remember that the show is in it's 15th season. Any show that far getting 15 million is a bigtime success.

I was expecting a lot more for BTY as well. When I cam here Thursday morning, and saw it only got 9.4 million, I was shocked, but I didn't know how to put it. With all the advertising Fox did, plus online buzz and good reviews, it should have easily gotten over 12 million. I think it'll keep declining in viewrship, until they put it on after American Idol, where it'll do over 20 million, and be brought back for next season, just like Til Death-LOL
I was mildly surprised. I actually thought Kid Nation might beat it because that too has had a lot of publicity. And Fox really hasn't had a hit sitcom that wasn't animated in years. Yea I think ratings will drop off some. They drop off for all new shows and it's about 2 or 3 weeks later when you finally see where it stabilizes.

Overall, like Brent said, all ratings are pretty much down. I still say that rating was good.

I was mildly surprised. I actually thought Kid Nation might beat it because that too has had a lot of publicity. And Fox really hasn't had a hit sitcom that wasn't animated in years. Yea I think ratings will drop off some. They drop off for all new shows and it's about 2 or 3 weeks later when you finally see where it stabilizes.

I'm sure Pushing Daisies will be the biggest hit of the season . . . it could even be the next Grey's Anatomy, since both are ABC shows. That's why I'm afraid BTY will be dropping off hugely by October.

I'm sure Pushing Daisies will be the biggest hit of the season . . . it could even be the next Grey's Anatomy, since both are ABC shows. That's why I'm afraid BTY will be dropping off hugely by October.


Here's hoping it bombs! ;)

Here's hoping it bombs! ;)

I'm all for that! :lol:

I'm all for that! :lol:


Me too!

I'm sure it will do well though. Many people just don't want to laugh anymore. It really is a shame. :(

Me too!

I'm sure it will do well though. Many people just don't want to laugh anymore. It really is a shame. :(

They could move it to another slot if things go badly, but what other slot is there to put it in? It's up against a lot of competition Wednesdays at 8pm. There's Pushing Daisies, Kid Nation, Deal or No Deal, and Dancing with the Stars. Possibly Thursdays at 8pm . . .

They could move it to another slot if things go badly, but what other slot is there to put it in? It's up against a lot of competition Wednesdays at 8pm. There's Pushing Daisies, Kid Nation, Deal or No Deal, and Dancing with the Stars. Possibly Thursdays at 8pm . . .


Good question, I really don't know where they can move it at this point. The best thing to do is wait and see. Hopefully Pushing Daisies is a flop or at best not a ratings juggernaut.

Pushing Daisies is said to be the best pilot of the year, so I don't see it bombing, BUT, it could be a cult type show. Rather low-rated but a very loyal fanbase. Just have to wait and see.

I plan to check it out, but I'm still going to be watching B2Y at least for a few weeks.

I'm sure Pushing Daisies will be the biggest hit of the season . . . it could even be the next Grey's Anatomy, since both are ABC shows. That's why I'm afraid BTY will be dropping off hugely by October.
I heard that about The Nine too. ABC's new shows have a habbit of not performing as well as they should. Everyone will just have to wait and see. Pushing Daisies sounds like it will be a good show but if it fails Lost could be back in that timeslot by midseason.

They could move it to another slot if things go badly, but what other slot is there to put it in? It's up against a lot of competition Wednesdays at 8pm. There's Pushing Daisies, Kid Nation, Deal or No Deal, and Dancing with the Stars. Possibly Thursdays at 8pm . . .

well im glad its on wednesday because all those other shows you mention hold no interest for me and arent watched in my household and or wont be regardless. i really do hope fox gives this series a chance tho. its a horrible network to put great shows on because they easily get rid of a show and act like it never existed once ratings dip

They could move it to another slot if things go badly, but what other slot is there to put it in? It's up against a lot of competition Wednesdays at 8pm. There's Pushing Daisies, Kid Nation, Deal or No Deal, and Dancing with the Stars. Possibly Thursdays at 8pm . . .
Remember BTY is taking Bones' timeslot and although Bones is not a top 20 hit, it has performed well for Fox. Plus AI will be back in January and Wednesdays on Fox always perks up then. I think it's a possibility that Pushing Daisies, BTY and Kid Nation could split the audience.

Actually Pushing Daisies has a lot of laughs, too. It has everything you can imagine. It is like a serialized fantasy procedural with laughs, if that makes sense. I just love it!

Actually Pushing Daisies has a lot of laughs, too. It has everything you can imagine. It is like a serialized fantasy procedural with laughs, if that makes sense. I just love it!


I knew you would. LOL

IMO, Pushing Daisies will be the biggest hit of the season. It has the qualities of shows like Desperate Housewives, which is a very popular show still. Although, if you think about it, BTY and PD could have completely different fanbases and viewers. 9 million could watch BTY, and a whole different 20 million people could be watching Pushing Daisies. That's similarly what happened Thursdays at 9pm last season, with Grey's Anatomy and CSI. Both shows were doing around 20 million every week, airing against each other. I guess at this point, we'll just have to wait and see.

If anything, come January, FOX should air AI at 8pm up against Pushing Daisies and BTY and Til Death at 9pm. That way, they'll get a great lead in.

I'm not really a fan of today's dramas so I won't be watching Pushing Daisies. I love sitcoms and I'll take a great sitcom such as BTY, over a drama anyday. ;) However, it won't surprise me if PD does beat BTY in the ratings cause like Brian said, many people don't want to laugh anymore, but as long as there a few who want to, then BTY will most likely be around for a while. :)

I knew you would. LOL
Yep!...And I wasn't shocked by the 8 Simple Rules ratings comparison either. :lol:

Yep!...And I wasn't shocked by the 8 Simple Rules ratings comparison either. :lol:


That to me did catch me off guard. I can understand being biased towards ABC...well actually I can't, but that 8SR comparison made zero sense.

That to me did catch me off guard. I can understand being biased towards ABC...well actually I can't, but that 8SR comparison made zero sense.

:lol:

Oh, I was a little caught off guard too, but I can't say it was too much of a shock. And I think the comparison had to do with "2 huge sitcom stars.".....But I still don't see how 9.4 million is half of 13 million....

I dont understand comparing it to 8 Simple Rules but ... I think that's pretty darn good, but can it maintain it?

So it's not just us Brian... :lol:

Let's compare it to Three's Company.

So it's not just us Brian... :lol:


I don't know why Pav hates FOX so much, but I am almost positive that if it was on ABC, Pav would be singing another tune. lol

Let's compare it to Three's Company.


:lol:

I've seen a few comparisons in the ratings world to the two. Why compare it to 8 Simple Rules? I gave you reasons. First, that sitcom also had two high profile sitcom stars. Second, that was also a highly anticipated premiere. So it makes sense. I compared it to 'Til Death's premiere also...and really BTY wasn't up by much at all to that even. We saw that show drop quite a bit after the premiere.

And comparing it to Three's Company wouldn't make sense. That was 30 years ago and at that time, the stars were unknown. 8 Simple Rules and Back to You both have established stars. And where did I say I hate Fox?

So, how much did you think it was going to get really? I'm sure you all thought it would have gotten 10+ for sure. I predicted 12-15 million, so how am I biased? 9.48 million is good, no doubt, but it did underachieve. It should have been a blockbuster for the premiere at least.

:lol:

Oh, I was a little caught off guard too, but I can't say it was too much of a shock. And I think the comparison had to do with "2 huge sitcom stars.".....But I still don't see how 9.4 million is half of 13 million....

8 Simple Rules did 17.294 million for the premiere, not 13.

I've seen a few comparisons in the ratings world to the two. Why compare it to 8 Simple Rules? I gave you reasons. First, that sitcom also had two high profile sitcom stars. Second, that was also a highly anticipated premiere. So it makes sense. I compared it to 'Til Death's premiere also...and really BTY wasn't up by much at all to that even. We saw that show drop quite a bit after the premiere.

And comparing it to Three's Company wouldn't make sense. That was 30 years ago and at that time, the stars were unknown. 8 Simple Rules and Back to You both have established stars. And where did I say I hate Fox?

So, how much did you think it was going to get really? I'm sure you all thought it would have gotten 10+ for sure. I predicted 12-15 million, so how am I biased? 9.48 million is good, no doubt, but it did underachieve. It should have been a blockbuster for the premiere at least.


Show me where you said 12-15 million please.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=3625814&postcount=3
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?p=3664533#post3664533

There are more posts where I said the premiere will do huge.

You never answered my question, how much million did you think it would premiere with? I'm sure you weren't expecting single digits.

I've seen a few comparisons in the ratings world to the two. Why compare it to 8 Simple Rules? I gave you reasons. First, that sitcom also had two high profile sitcom stars. Second, that was also a highly anticipated premiere. So it makes sense. I compared it to 'Til Death's premiere also...and really BTY wasn't up by much at all to that even. We saw that show drop quite a bit after the premiere.

And comparing it to Three's Company wouldn't make sense. That was 30 years ago and at that time, the stars were unknown. 8 Simple Rules and Back to You both have established stars. And where did I say I hate Fox?

So, how much did you think it was going to get really? I'm sure you all thought it would have gotten 10+ for sure. I predicted 12-15 million, so how am I biased? 9.48 million is good, no doubt, but it did underachieve. It should have been a blockbuster for the premiere at least.

Pav, everybody but you is stating it was a great start for them. Article after article from some of the most unbiased and respected journalists in the country. It was not 17 million, but sitcoms just don't get that nowadays. At least not now. You don't have to say you dislike Fox for people to read between the lines.

I still say that if ABC picked up this project, which they desperately wanted by the way, you would put a more positive spin on this.

Have you seen Variety? They had an article saying everything so far that has premiered has been down or off to a slow start.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117972363.html?categoryId=14

No, if ABC picked it up and it only did 9.48 million, you would have put a different spin on it. What if Cavemen's pilot does more than that? What will you say?

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=3625814&postcount=3
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?p=3664533#post3664533

There are more posts where I said the premiere will do huge.

You never answered my question, how much million did you think it would premiere with? I'm sure you weren't expecting single digits.


I honestly thought it would do well. I had no # in my head. I rely on the experts to tell me if the rating is good or not and they say it is. I have no idea what is good anymore as far as numbers.

Heck, last season when people were posting that the ratings for ABC's Lost were down, you were the first one to spin it and say that the Tivo and DVR numbers weren't accounted for.

Have you seen Variety? They had an article saying everything so far that has premiered has been down or off to a slow start.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117972363.html?categoryId=14

No, if ABC picked it up and it only did 9.48 million, you would have put a different spin on it. What if Cavemen's pilot does more than that? What will you say?


The difference Pav, I will aknowledge when something does well. I have ZERO allegiance to a specific network.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=3625814&postcount=3
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?p=3664533#post3664533

There are more posts where I said the premiere will do huge.

You never answered my question, how much million did you think it would premiere with? I'm sure you weren't expecting single digits.


You still haven't shown me where you predicted 12-15 million. That second link was after the fact. I want stuff exactly before hand.

Have you seen Variety? They had an article saying everything so far that has premiered has been down or off to a slow start.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117972363.html?categoryId=14

No, if ABC picked it up and it only did 9.48 million, you would have put a different spin on it. What if Cavemen's pilot does more than that? What will you say?


Here's what I see about Back To You's ratings in the Variety article.


Fox's "Back to You" and "Kitchen Nightmares" looked solid but unspectacular,

At Fox, Kelsey Grammer-Patricia Heaton laffer "Back to You" bowed at 8 o'clock with a 3.1/10 in 18-49 and 9.48 million viewers overall, making it the top show of the night in 18-49 share and rating (tied with "Kid" and "Kitchen"). "Back to You" beat "Kid Nation" head to head in adults 18-49 (3.1/10 to 2.7/9) and total viewers (9.51 million to 8.55 million).

and so far all the new shows ratings have been down. I think BTY did real well. I was never expecting it to be a smash hit comedy. I figured it would do well enough and be competitive with CBS and ABC and so far that's what it is. When's the last time Fox had a smash hit sitcom that wasn't animated? Plus it's paired with a sitcom that is lucky to have even made it to a second season so people who chose to watch it have to commit to that show too or join the other networks in progress. It has a lot going against it, not the least is that it is a sitcom and people seem to be avoiding them lately like the plague.

Here's what you had to say on August 11th. A far cry from a 12-15 million viewer prediction.

Post #5
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=206899

The pilot is just OK, but the series could get better obviously. It certainly would have been better for CBS Monday. I am not sure if it can do as well on Fox, especially against the much hyped Pushing Daisies (best new series hands down) on ABC, Deal or no Deal on NBC, and the buzz worthy new show Kid Nation on CBS.
We'll see, I guess. I think 3rd in its timeslot behind Daisies and Deal.

and so far all the new shows ratings have been down. I think BTY did real well. I was never expecting it to be a smash hit comedy. I figured it would do well enough and be competitive with CBS and ABC and so far that's what it is. When's the last time Fox had a smash hit sitcom that wasn't animated? Plus it's paired with a sitcom that is lucky to have even made it to a second season so people who chose to watch it have to commit to that show too or join the other networks in progress. It has a lot going against it, not the least is that it is a sitcom and people seem to be avoiding them lately like the plague.


And then all this praise for Pushing Daisies. The line I love is, "It is a drama with a lot of laughs." But it is not a SITCOM.

I don't think anybody expected the ratings for Back To You to go through the roof, and who cares anyway. Just under 10 million viewers for a Fox show is a respectable showing. Every review and article that I've read has stated that (and I've read PLENTY of them), so that's the truth. I don't get it when people act childish, "My show did better than your show." It's silly.

If a show that I like is on the air, and has enough viewers to satisfy the network suits and the advertisers, then so be it. Every show can't be a blockbuster.

Yes, I think it will do 3rd place by next week or when PD premieres, but I always had said the premiere would be big.

Yes, I think it will do 3rd place by next week or when PD premieres, but I always had said the premiere would be big.

I don't get what all the commotion is, either. Third in it's timeslot for a sitcom is fine, and with the ratings the Pilot got, it obvisouly isn't a blockbuster show. 9 million viewers is respectable. If you like the show, watch it.

I think it'll do either 2nd or third. Definitely behind Pushing Daisies.

You still haven't shown me where you predicted 12-15 million. That second link was after the fact. I want stuff exactly before hand.

I can't find that either on the boards, maybe I said it in the blog or to Todd, but I was expecting somewhere around 12-15.

Yeah, people were saying Lost was down. But it was still getting over 12 million...and more were added on to that from the Tivo/DVR numbers at the end of the week.

Yes, exactly what I was saying about BTY, the premiere was solid (I never denied that), but it was unspectacular and a bit disappointing. All that promotion and it got close to 10 million...shows like Family Guy could get that without any promotion. But yes, that is an animated comedy, and Fox does well on those.

All I'm saying is BTY did good, but I was expecting more. Because really it was only facing Kid Nation. Deal or No Deal Wednesday is not as big as the Monday edition. I never said I hated BTY. If I hate Fox so much, why would I promote the Fox sitcoms on the blog (see today's blog and Wednesday's)? The pilot was good, but I didn't think it was as good as it could be...I said the same thing for the Cavemen unaired pilot, that is was just OK. I have said with the high quality BTY cast, it could certainly improve.

Yes, exactly what I was saying about BTY, the premiere was solid (I never denied that), but it was unspectacular and a bit disappointing
Variety said unspectacular and solid. Nobody's disputing that. Solid is good. You're saying a bit disappointing, not Variety. Everything I've read has stated that Back To You is off to a good and decent start. Nobody's claiming spectacular.

Variety said unspectacular and solid. Nobody's disputing that. Solid is good. You're saying a bit disappointing, not Variety. Everything I've read has stated that Back To You is off to a good and decent start. Nobody's claiming spectacular.

I wish we created a thread before the premiere where everyone stated what they thought the premiere would get. I'm sure everyone would have said higher than 9.48 million.

Maybe I was expecting too much out of it. 9.48 million is solid, but I am disappointed because this was highly promoted and has two major sitcom stars of the past.

And I have been looking and analyzing ratings for years now, Janice, and I think I know when something is disappointing.

And I have been looking and analyzing ratings for years now, Janice, and I think I know when something is disappointing.
Variety says solid, not "disappointing" and "underachieving" as you've stated. Do you know more than Variety? I've posted endless articles that state that the show is off to a good start. No offense, but they're the real experts, and the ones I believe.

Whatever you say, Janice. It should have done better. Variety also said, "unspectacular." You didn't mention that in post#69. Even if they didn't say disappointing, the numbers are a bit that way, even they think that I'm sure.

Yes, I think it will do 3rd place by next week or when PD premieres, but I always had said the premiere would be big.

You predicted that it will "premiere well." I still haven't seen that 12-15 million prediction. Where are the posts where you predicted huge, as you said?

Whatever you say, Janice. It should have done better. Variety also said, "unspectacular." You didn't mention that in post#69. Even if they didn't say disappointing, the numbers are a bit that way, even they think that I'm sure.
No, it's not whatever I say, or whatever you say, for that matter. It's whatever the experts who get paid for a living doing this, say. I said in post #67 that nobody's claiming spectacular. Spectacular is huge numbers. Variety (and may other professionals) say a solid debut. I agree.

Hollywood Reporter is calling Kid Nation a disappointment. The numbers for that were almost identical to Back to You. So, like Brian said, if you read between the lines, than BTY was a disappointment, too?
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i5bf6a751bdf67ff5745de77d42624ed7

Hollywood Reporter is calling Kid Nation a disappointment. The numbers for that were almost identical to Back to You. So, like Brian said, if you read between the lines, than BTY was a disappointment, too?
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i5bf6a751bdf67ff5745de77d42624ed7
Different show. Different network. Higher expectations, as the article states. Lots of controversary surrounding Kid Nation. Shows can't be judged ratings wise equally, across the board. You know that. There are too many variables and different criteria. You can't just take two completely different shows, put them side by side, and judge one against the other. That would be like calling Shark a failure because it doesn't generate the same numbers as Lost. It doesn't work that way.

Hollywood Reporter also didn't criticize Back To You's ratings, even though they mentioned the show several times in the article. That's telling.

We all know Fox is a lower class network compared to ABC, CBS and NBC, but all I'm saying is the premiere should have debuted higher. I'm not saying it should do 14 million each week, but come on after all that promotion in the summer and everything, it should have done that for the premiere at least. Don't give me the Fox gets lower numbers or has lower expectations when they also have top shows like American Idol and House. They are considered a major network now, even though they don't program at 10pm. No one is complaining about the ratings for the show, all I'm saying is I think it should have debuted a bit higher. I won't say anymore, because you won't listen anyway.

We all know Fox is a lower class network compared to ABC, CBS and NBC, but all I'm saying is the premiere should have debuted higher. I'm not saying it should do 14 million each week, but come on after all that promotion in the summer and everything, it should have done that for the premiere at least. Don't give me the Fox gets lower numbers or has lower expectations when they also have top shows like American Idol and House. They are considered a major network now, even though they don't program at 10pm. No one is complaining about the ratings for the show, all I'm saying is I think it should have debuted a bit higher. I won't say anymore, because you won't listen anyway.
Fox also does traditionally terrible in the fall. Last year all of their fall shows flopped with the exception of Till Death and we all know why that was brought back?. Until AI comes on in January Fox is rarely a player. House is their only top 20 show in the fall.

Back to You will be the best rated show. I hope the ratings will be excellent to keep this show longer. I think this show will be in 2nd place.

Fox also does traditionally terrible in the fall. Last year all of their fall shows flopped with the exception of Till Death and we all know why that was brought back?. Until AI comes on in January Fox is rarely a player. House is their only top 20 show in the fall.

That is true. People probably don't even know this network exists until January rolls along. IMO, BTY should have still done better. It was highly anticipated, even if it was up against Kid Nation. If it gets any lower than 7 million, which I'm afriad might happen at this point, we can almost kiss it goodbye.

That is true. People probably don't even know this network exists until January rolls along. IMO, BTY should have still done better. It was highly anticipated, even if it was up against Kid Nation. If it gets any lower than 7 million, which I'm afriad might happen at this point, we can almost kiss it goodbye.


I wouldn't kiss it goodbye. The ratings will get lower, but keep in mind, FOX has kept lower rated and far less superior sitcoms on for more than one season. This just might be one of those sitcoms, that needs a couple of years to grow.

It's funny how FOX is already promoting this as the #1 new comedy - when it is the only new comedy to have premiered, lol.

Pavan did mention his prediction of 12-15 million to me on September 14th. He said it wouldn't beat 8SR's premiere. I thought his numbers were unrealistic for a FOX sitcom.

FOX will be happy with 7-9 million every week. There's no denying that it would do better on another network. I said the premiere would have gotten at least 2 million more viewers on any other network.

I wouldn't kiss it goodbye. The ratings will get lower, but keep in mind, FOX has kept lower rated and far less superior sitcoms on for more than one season. This just might be one of those sitcoms, that needs a couple of years to grow.
Fox kept The War At Home on for 2 years and their ratings were awful.

Fox will be happy with 7-9 million every week. There's no denying that it would do better on another network. I said the premiere would have gotten at least 2 million more viewers on any other network.


I agree with that. I will tell you this though, if FOX is patient with it, January could be huge for the show. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't FOX have the Super Bowl this year? They could easily slot it after the SB and get a much, much bigger sampling.

I don't think that they will maintain 7-9 million every week though.

Fox kept The War At Home on for 2 years and their ratings were awful.


That's the first show I thought of. lol

I agree with that. I will tell you this though, if FOX is patient with it, January could be huge for the show. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't FOX have the Super Bowl this year? They could easily slot it after the SB and get a much, much bigger sampling.

I don't think that they will maintain 7-9 million every week though.
Brian, I just remembered that I predicted to you that BTY would have about 7 million viewers. Well, I guess they surpassed that and did 2 and a half million MORE viewers! :lol:

I don't think that they will maintain 7-9 million every week though.
Do you know what a regular successful show on Fox usually does for viewers? Not the blockerbusters like AI, just the regular shows? Whatever those shows get, I'd be happy if BTY is in that ballpark.

Brian, I just remembered that I predicted to you that BTY would have about 7 million viewers. Well, I guess they surpassed that and did 2 and a half million MORE viewers! :lol:


I remember that, it was in an email on August 18th. ;) :p

Do you know what a regular successful show on Fox usually does for viewers? Not the blockerbusters like AI, just the regular shows? Whatever those shows get, I'd be happy if BTY is in that ballpark.


Good question, I am not 100% sure. My guess is the 5-6 million range.

In January when American Idol comes on Fox, will BTY still be coming on the same day? Hopefully, the ratings will do good for this show. Yesterday when I was watching "The Simpsons" BTY is the #1 comedy. That is the good thing.

I hope you were joking about the premiere doing 7 million. If that was the case, we would be saying goodbye shortly, because then it would be likely to drop for episodes 2-3 and beyond.

And here are Fox's averages for last season (minus American Idol), and keep in mind this INCLUDE'S repeats, so newer episodes are higher than these averages:

House 19.4 million
24 13.09 million (repeat free)
Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? 12.74 million
Bones 9.46 million
Prison Break 9.32 million
The Simpsons 8.66 million
Family Guy 8.26 million
American Dad 7.3 million
'Til Death 7.1 million (boosted by the 13.4 million average after American Idol, otherwise the show average was 5.1 million)
America's Most Wanted 6.3 million
Cops 5.8 million
King of the Hill 5.5 million

So, if it does 7-9 million for newer episodes, and the repeats would be lower than that, the average would be a bit above American Dad's average.

Canceled shows for Fox last season:
Wedding Bells 6.5 million
Standoff 6.1 million
The Winner 6.1 million
Justice 5.6 million
Vanished 5.5 million
Drive 5.4 million
War at Home 4.9 million (season one was MUCH better at 7.2 million)
Trading Spouses 4.5 million
Nanny 911 4.3 million
The O.C. 4.3 million
The Rich List 4.1 million
Happy Hour 3.9 million
Celebrity Deuts 3.7 million

I hope you were joking about the premiere doing 7 million. If that was the case, we would be saying goodbye shortly, because then it would be likely to drop for episodes 2-3 and beyond.

And here are Fox's averages for last season (minus American Idol), and keep in mind this INCLUDE'S repeats, so newer episodes are higher than these averages:

House 19.4 million
24 13.09 million (repeat free)
Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? 12.74 million
Bones 9.46 million
Prison Break 9.32 million
The Simpsons 8.66 million
Family Guy 8.26 million
American Dad 7.3 million
'Til Death 7.1 million (boosted by the 13.4 million average after American Idol, otherwise the show average was 5.1 million)
America's Most Wanted 6.3 million
Cops 5.8 million
King of the Hill 5.5 million

So, if it does 7-9 million for newer episodes, and the repeats would be lower than that, the average would be a bit above American Dad's average.
Of course I was joking about the 7 million, same as I was joking about comparing it to Three's Company. If it's not too much trouble, can you tell me what the debut numbers were for the above shows? Not the demos, internal numbers, and all that. Just the flat number. By that, I mean 9.4 million is the flat number for Back To You. Just the simple number. If it's too much digging, I can find the numbers online myself, but if you have them handy, I'd appreciate it.

Do you mean season premiere numbers for those? Because they were all returning shows but 5th Grader and 'Til Death, TD did 8.82 million for its series premiere last season.

Here were the fall series premiere debuts for Fox's new shows last fall (none were really anticipated):
Vanished: 8.6 million (now canceled)
Justice: 8.9 million (now canceled)
Standoff: 13.6 million (now canceled)
'Til Death: 8.8 million
Happy Hour 6.9 million (now canceled)

Do you mean season premiere numbers for those? Because they were all returning shows but 5th Grader and 'Til Death, TD did 8.82 million for its series premiere last season.
Yes, premiere numbers. If it's too much trouble, I can find them online. I just thought you might have them within reach. Please, don't go through any bother.

I still don't know what you mean by premiere. Series premiere, right? If so, that might not be a good comparison for some shows, like The Simpsons premiered in 1989. Want me to give you the season premiere (fall 2006) numbers for all those? Here...

2006/2007 Season Premieres:
The Simpsons: 11.6 million
American Dad: 8.9 million
Family Guy: 9.9 million
The War at Home 7.4 million
Prison Break 9.4 million
House: 19.7 million
Bones: 9.1 million
24: 15.8 million

Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader launched in Feb. 2007 with 26 million.

I still don't know what you mean by premiere.

The number of viewers for the very first episode that a show aired. I'll get them myself. Thanks anyway.

OK, here is the series premiere numbers for the Fox shows:

The Simpsons: 14.5 rating (not sure of the total viewers)
American Dad: 15.2 million (9.3 million timeslot debut a few months later)
Family Guy: 1999 premiere: 12.6 rating (total viewers not available); 2005 premiere: 11.9 million
The War at Home 8.7 million
Prison Break 10.5 million
House: 4.6 rating (viewers not available, but it exploded after moving post-American Idol)
Bones: 10.8 million
24: 11.6 million

Janice, bottom line, wasn't FOX was the hightest rated network after CBS, last season?

Janice, bottom line, wasn't FOX was the hightest rated network after CBS, last season?

I wouldn't use that to back you up. The only reason FOX was high in season ratings was becaue of American Idol . . . the same thing happens every season. If AI wasn't on the network, it probably would have came out just as bad as NBC last season.

Teh thing with BTY, though, is it's the only highly anticipated show FOX has had in awhile, espeically for a sitcom. The War at Home, on the other hand, wasn't highly anticipated, so FOX probably cared less if they kept it around or not. Since BTY was highly anticipated, they're gonna be a lot tougher on it.

I wouldn't use that to back you up. The only reason FOX was high in season ratings was becaue of American Idol . . . the same thing happens every season. If AI wasn't on the network, it probably would have came out just as bad as NBC last season.

Teh thing with BTY, though, is it's the only highly anticipated show FOX has had in awhile, espeically for a sitcom. The War at Home, on the other hand, wasn't highly anticipated, so FOX probably cared less if they kept it around or not. Since BTY was highly anticipated, they're gonna be a lot tougher on it.
I was only pointing out that FOX came in at #2 because of all this ratings discussion going on. Looking at those lists, with American Idol or not, not all of their renewed shows did that superb. I think Brian was right about 7 million for future episodes. That's not a fantastic number, but it might be good enough to renew Back To You (as long as the show itself stays good). FOX is pretty strict, so we shall see.

I was only pointing out that FOX came in at #2 because of all this ratings discussion going on. Looking at those lists, with American Idol or not, not all of their renewed shows did that superb. I think Brian was right about 7 million for future episodes. That's not a fantastic number, but it might be good enough to renew Back To You (as long as the show itself stays good). FOX is pretty strict, so we shall see.

7 million is good enough for NBC, ABC, and CBS sitcoms, so why should it be different with FOX? I was just hoping this show would do so much better than it is. But, you never know. It might eve grow from the 9.4 million this week. We're doing all this speculation, but really, anything could happen.

I think the show should do 7-9 million, and likely it will. But if it doesn't, and does 5-6 million or less, I think they will move it. And if it does the same in that slot (unless it goes post-Idol), we might not see a second season because this show did cost them a lot to buy and I'm sure Grammar/Heaton are highly paid. It's not a cheaper sitcom say like War at Home.

If it does go post-Idol...it needs to hold 60-70% of Idol's numbers. Not less than 50% like 'Til Death. AI was doing around 30 million and 'Til Death followed with like 13-14 million. Only shows that benefited post-Idol and did well were House and 5th Grader. The sitcoms have always done bad...'Til Death, The Loop, Free Ride, Life on a Stick, etc. They had a reality show called Unanimous that didn't hold much either.

Like I said, if it can maintain 7 million, I'll be happy. I can't speak for FOX, but I will.

OK, here is the series premiere numbers for the Fox shows:

The Simpsons: 14.5 rating (not sure of the total viewers)
American Dad: 15.2 million (9.3 million timeslot debut a few months later)
Family Guy: 1999 premiere: 12.6 rating (total viewers not available); 2005 premiere: 11.9 million
The War at Home 8.7 million
Prison Break 10.5 million
House: 4.6 rating (viewers not available, but it exploded after moving post-American Idol)
Bones: 10.8 million
24: 11.6 million
Thanks. This tells me that Back To You is in the ballpark. If it debuted at anything under 9, I'd say it had a problem.

I wouldn't use that to back you up. The only reason FOX was high in season ratings was becaue of American Idol . . . the same thing happens every season. If AI wasn't on the network, it probably would have came out just as bad as NBC last season.
No IFs, lol. It has AI so it keeps Fox up there. That's all that counts, to me. :)

Thanks. This tells me that Back To You is in the ballpark. If it debuted at anything under 9, I'd say it had a problem.


I am sure that there are hit shows that started out "slow" and eventually became big hits.

7 million is good enough for NBC, ABC, and CBS sitcoms, so why should it be different with FOX?
That's an excellent point. I don't think any of us were expecting AI or Lost ratings here. Even if it's a modest success, that's cool. I just want it to be good and enjoyable.

Janice, bottom line, wasn't FOX was the hightest rated network after CBS, last season?
I knew I liked you. :D

That's an excellent point. I don't think any of us were expecting AI or Lost ratings here. Even if it's a modest success, that's cool. I just want it to be good and enjoyable.


I think that's what is being lost here. Some people want to down the ratings and down the network it is on, but what is really important is that we have a solid, funny sitcom.

I think that's what is being lost here. Some people want to down the ratings and down the network it is on, but what is really important is that we have a solid, funny sitcom.
I knew I liked you too. Wait, this is Brian? All of these similiar avatars confuse me, lol. Of course I like you. ;)

It's true though, Fox is no slouch either. They've had some monster hits the last few years.

I knew I liked you. :D
:lol:

Just stating a fact...

I think that's what is being lost here. Some people want to down the ratings and down the network it is on, but what is really important is that we have a solid, funny sitcom.
That's what I was trying to say a few posts back. A lot of the best shows were/are not big ratings hits. And honestly, sometimes I prefer my shows not to be THAT big of a deal.

That's what I was trying to say a few posts back. A lot of the best shows were/are not big ratings hits. And honestly, sometimes I prefer my shows not to be THAT big of a deal.


Absolutely, some shows just need a year or so to build up their ratings. I think a show like House didn't start off that big and even American Idol...did it?

Okay....so explain these numbers. Do 7.5 for example mean that 7 and a half million people tuned in or what? Cuz you say "no total viewers"....I'm confused.

Okay....so explain these numbers. Do 7.5 for example mean that 7 and a half million people tuned in or what? Cuz you say "no total viewers"....I'm confused.


The numbers confuse me too. I just like to hear the brass tax of everything. 9 million, 12 million, 20 million etc.

Here are the weekly TV ratings, by number of viewers.

1. Sunday Night Football - Dallas vs. Chicago (NBC)
2. Survivor: China (CBS)
3. CSI (CBS)
4. Sunday Night Football Pre-Kick (NBC)
5. Cold Case (CBS)
6. Deal Or No Deal - Mon (NBC)
7. Shark (CBS)
8. 60 Minutes (CBS)
9. Without A Trace (CBS)
10. Two and a Half Men (CBS)
11. Family Guy (FOX)
12. Football Night In America - Part 3 (NBC)
13. Deal Or No Deal - Weds (NBC)
14. CSI: Miami (CBS)
15. The Simpsons (FOX)
16. The O.T. (FOX)
17. Back To You (FOX)
18. Kid Nation (CBS)
19. CSI: NY (CBS)
20. Desperate Housewives (ABC)

GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING THE NUMER OF VIEWERS FOR BACK TO YOU. THAT TELLS ME THAT THE SUPPORT IS OUT THERE.

Here are the weekly TV ratings, by number of viewers.

1. Sunday Night Football - Dallas vs. Chicago (NBC)
2. Survivor: China (CBS)
3. CSI (CBS)
4. Sunday Night Football Pre-Kick (NBC)
5. Cold Case (CBS)
6. Deal Or No Deal - Mon (NBC)
7. Shark (CBS)
8. 60 Minutes (CBS)
9. Without A Trace (CBS)
10. Two and a Half Men (CBS)
11. Family Guy (FOX)
12. Football Night In America - Part 3 (NBC)
13. Deal Or No Deal - Weds (NBC)
14. CSI: Miami (CBS)
15. The Simpsons (FOX)
16. The O.T. (FOX)
17. Back To You (FOX)
18. Kid Nation (CBS)
19. CSI: NY (CBS)
20. Desperate Housewives (ABC)
Good list. I'm glad to see Shark doing so well. What's going on with Desperate Housewives? Was that a repeat, and has their new season started?

Majority of the shows were repeats. TV season is starting this week. So the top 20 for last week really doesn't mean much. Desperate Housewives was a clip show. Season premiere is this coming week.

From the professional TV Critic and ratings expert for USA Today:

Modest showings for 'K-Ville,' 'Kid Nation,' but the viewer force is with Fox's 'Family Guy'

Early premieres: No stand-outs. Fox's K-Ville averaged 8.9 million viewers Monday, slightly ahead of last year's Vanished; sitcom Back to You drew a decent 9.5 million Wednesday, edging out CBS competitor Kid Nation (9.4 million) as the reality show wasn't boosted by controversy.

From the professional TV Critic and ratings expert for USA Today:

Modest showings for 'K-Ville,' 'Kid Nation,' but the viewer force is with Fox's 'Family Guy'

Early premieres: No stand-outs. Fox's K-Ville averaged 8.9 million viewers Monday, slightly ahead of last year's Vanished; sitcom Back to You drew a decent 9.5 million Wednesday, edging out CBS competitor Kid Nation (9.4 million) as the reality show wasn't boosted by controversy.
They know their stuff, I see. A decent showing. That's good new to me.

It'll surley be off the top 20 this week, with shows like Dancing with the Stars back on. At least it made it on for it's premiere.

Yeah, 9.48 million would be in the top 40 any other week in the season. Janice, I know the BTY premiere numbers were decent. I never said they were bad. For all the hype, it really should have done a bit better. That is all I am saying, you and Damage think I'm knocking the show. Have I ever said anything bad about the quality of the show? It was not bad of a pilot.

No new shows have really broken out yet. I guess tonight we'll see about Private Practice, DSM and BW. And yes BTY's ratings will be down tonight going up against DWTS.... The real test comes next week when PD premieres.

Yeah, 9.48 million would be in the top 40 any other week in the season. Janice, I know the BTY premiere numbers were decent. I never said they were bad. For all the hype, it really should have done a bit better. That is all I am saying, you and Damage think I'm knocking the show. Have I ever said anything bad about the quality of the show? It was not bad of a pilot.
I never claimed you knocked the show, and I don't think Brian did either. Even if you didn't like it, it's no big deal. I may not like the show in a few weeks. You say it had a decent debut. Looks like we're all in agreement, after all.

Episode 2 Overnights:

5.0/8 for third place in its slot. Down 27% from the overnights from the premiere. Dancing with the Stars was #1 at 8pm with an 11.8/19, Deal or No Deal was second with a distant 6.0/10, Kid Nation did a 5.1/8 for third, but was fourth in the 8pm half-hour. Fox's 'Til Death only did a 4.1/6 at 8:30. Fast Nationals will be available at noon. Final numbers later in the day.

Series premiere news:
Overnights: Private Practice 9.8/15, Bionic Woman 9.3/14, Dirty Sexy Money 7.9/12, Life 6.9/11. Again Fast Nationals will be available at noon. Final numbers later in the day.

That 9pm hour was impressive. PP, Bionic and Criminal Minds all did above a 9.0 in the overnights, with Minds third at a 9.0/14. It should be close on who will win when the nationals come in at noon.

Fast National numbers:

8-9pm:
#1 ABC: Dancing with the Stars: The Results 11.1/18, 16.6 million
#2 NBC: Deal or No Deal 5.6/9, 8.9 million
#3 CBS: Kid Nation 4.8/8, 7.6 million
#4 Fox: Back to You 4.6/8, 7.5 million and 'Til Death 3.8/6, 6.2 million
#5 The CW: America's Next Top Model 3.1/5, 4.9 million

9-10pm
#1 ABC: Private Practice 9.7/15, 14.2 million
#2 NBC: Bionic Woman 8.4/13, 13.6 million
#3 CBS: Criminal Minds 8.2/13, 12.7 million
#4 Fox: Kitchen Nigntmares 3.5/5, 5.4 million
#5 The CW: Gossip Girl 1.8/3, 2.5 million

10-11pm
#1 CBS: CSI NY 8.1/13, 12.7 million
#2 ABC: Dirty Sexy Money 7.4/12, 10.4 million
#3 NBC: Life 6.5/11, 10.1 million

That's quite a dip in viewers, but there's always that DVR and Tivo factor that people are always talking about. I think Fox was nuts to put this show up against Pushing Daisies, and I know it hasn't premiered yet. I don't know the lineups, but it just seems to me that it would do better placed elsewhere.

Fast National numbers:

8-9pm:
#1 ABC: Dancing with the Stars: The Results 11.1/18, 16.6 million
#2 NBC: Deal or No Deal 5.6/9, 8.9 million
#3 CBS: Kid Nation 4.8/8, 7.6 million
#4 Fox: Back to You 4.6/8, 7.5 million and 'Til Death 3.8/6, 6.2 million
#5 The CW: America's Next Top Model 3.1/5, 4.9 million

9-10pm
#1 ABC: Private Practice 9.7/15, 14.2 million
#2 NBC: Bionic Woman 8.4/13, 13.6 million
#3 CBS: Criminal Minds 8.2/13, 12.7 million
#4 Fox: Kitchen Nigntmares 3.5/5, 5.4 million
#5 The CW: Gossip Girl 1.8/3, 2.5 million

10-11pm
#1 CBS: CSI NY 8.1/13, 12.7 million
#2 ABC: Dirty Sexy Money 7.4/12, 10.4 million
#3 NBC: Life 6.5/11, 10.1 million
Wow. It went down. Kid Nation went down too though. But it was actually dull last night and gross. As for this show, I missed much of it but I'll catch it online sometime later today or sometime this week. I'll have to watch all of the shows in more detail. At least tonight I don't have three shows at the same time (Phew!)...actually I only have My Name Is Earl and that's it. But next week is 30 Rock and than later in the month (next month October) is Scrubs so the night will be more full but for now it's pretty wide open. So that's a good thing. Now to just enjoy life without television. :D

I thought this episode was hilarious! IMO, better than the Pilot, with a lot more laughs. There were just so many funny continuing storylines here, with Marsh and the magic trick (loved it when he asked Montana to put it down his pants-LOL), Gary and the Taser, and of course the 4 (I think it was 4_ dead goldfish. The ending, though, how Kelly thought she killed the goldfish, was kind of predictable, but still funny.

Wow, is this show going down fast. I was expecting a little over 8 million, and possibly 7.5 for next week, but this is just disappointing for a second episode. If FOX does not want to see this show go down even more, I suggest moving it to a different slot immediately. Dancing with the Stars definitely killed it this week (will it be Wednesday nights regularly?), and Pushing Daisies will kill it in the weeks to come. If they leave BTY where it is, I can definitely see it going below 7 million. 4th place in one half hour is pretty bad if you ask me. It was even below Kid Nation, which it edged out last week.

Looks like ABC is definitely winning over this season already. They already have a hit with Private Practive and soon to be Pushing Daisies, semi-hits with Dirty Sexy Money and Boston Legal, plus the big returning series like Dancing with the Stars, Grey's Anatomy, and Desperate Housewives
Exactly. It'll get canned in mid-season if it does remain on Wednesday night. Kid Nation was pretty low too though....than again that's due to:a. its mild and tame premiere...b.DWTS and DOND....c.the chickens thing. Maybe C is stupid but definitely A and B. And yes BTY is not the reason KN dropped. It was again either its tame premiere (people probably expected loads of conterversy and tuned out when they didn't get it) and the fact that it was up aganist DWTS (always a ratings giant) and that's it.

Exactly. It'll get canned in mid-season if it does remain on Wednesday night. Kid Nation was pretty low too though....than again that's due to:a. its mild and tame premiere...b.DWTS and DOND....c.the chickens thing. Maybe C is stupid but definitely A and B. And yes BTY is not the reason KN dropped. It was again either its tame premiere (people probably expected loads of conterversy and tuned out when they didn't get it) and the fact that it was up aganist DWTS (always a ratings giant) and that's it.

The reason they dropped is because they were up against Dancing with the Stars. Also, the pilot isn't anyway to determine ratings. The point is, if BTY starts leveling out each week to under 6 million, it won't be seeing the light of day next season, even for FOX.

They should really move it to a slot with no competition. Because, in all honestly, comedies today are shows you can watch when nothing else is on. Possibly Monday nights at 8pm, or Thursdays at 8pm.

How does Thursdays at 8 have no competition? Ugly Betty!

How does Thursdays at 8 have no competition? Ugly Betty!

Ugly Betty was only getting around 10 million by the end of last season. That's better than the 17-19 million from DwtS.

Ugly Betty was only getting around 10 million by the end of last season. That's better than the 17-19 million from DwtS.
Exactly. Ugly Betty isn't that big of a hit show.

Mondays is comedy night on CBS. Thursday is comedy night on NBC. If FOX has to move Back To You (and 'Til Death), they should switch it with Bones, since that show already has an established fan base. Putting Back To You at 8:30pm, leading into House may help....But personally, I'm fine with it on Wednesdays.

Ugly Betty was only getting around 10 million by the end of last season. That's better than the 17-19 million from DwtS.

Thursdays at 8 is not a good slot. My Name is Earl, another sitcom airs there. Ugly Betty will be back over 12 million this fall. Everything was down last March-May. Survivor also airs there.

The only place really they can move the show is Sunday nights.

Wow. It went down. Kid Nation went down too though. But it was actually dull last night and gross. As for this show, I missed much of it but I'll catch it online sometime later today or sometime this week. I'll have to watch all of the shows in more detail. At least tonight I don't have three shows at the same time (Phew!)...actually I only have My Name Is Earl and that's it. But next week is 30 Rock and than later in the month (next month October) is Scrubs so the night will be more full but for now it's pretty wide open. So that's a good thing. Now to just enjoy life without television. :D
I do...Ugly Betty, Smallville and MNIE. :lol:

I think everyone should wait until after PD airs to see how far the dropoff really is. DWTS is just like AI. Everything that goes up against it suffers. I really don't see the appeal of it but that's the way it is in the 2000's I guess. Reality before sitcoms. :ohno:

I think everyone should wait until after PD airs to see how far the dropoff really is. DWTS is just like AI. Everything that goes up against it suffers. I really don't see the appeal of it but that's the way it is in the 2000's I guess. Reality before sitcoms. :ohno:

I don't either. I hate reality shows with people who are not supposed to be on TV (American Idol, Survivor, America's Got Talent, Bachelor). I like shows with celebrities, like Dancing with the Stars. Though I hated I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here and Skating with Celebrities. In fact, I think DWTS is the only reality show I like. I can stand EM: Home Edition, because it actually helps families, though.

Thursdays at 8 is not a good slot. My Name is Earl, another sitcom airs there. Ugly Betty will be back over 12 million this fall. Everything was down last March-May. Survivor also airs there.

The only place really they can move the show is Sunday nights.

I did forget about Survivor. That's one show that usually doesn't drop off in viewers much during the season. With Ugly Betty I was thinking it's better to put BTY against it rather than against DwtS, because as it does have a fan base, it's ratings aren't as high as DwtS.

Possibly Sunday nights at 8pm, against EM: HE. Once PD premieres next week, I'm sure it'll be down even more from 7.5 million. PD is probably the biggest expected hit of the season, and FOX was obvisouly hoping BTY could stand against it. But, with ratings down this low before PD has even premiered is not a good sign.

Once AI comes in January, I'm sure we'll be seeing ratings increase, whether FOX schedules BTY before or after it.

I think Private Practice will be the biggest new hit. Pushing Daisies will be a hit as well, but I think 10-12 million on average. Hopefully the premiere will do more than 12 because it is an EXCELLENT pilot (the best this season). I also hope DSM can sustain its viewership..what a show that is (second best pilot of the year).
Big Shots could also do well, following Grey's.

Fox can easily move TD and BTY on Sundays by January. Something like 7pm King of the Hill, 7:30 'Til Death, 8:00 Simpsons, 8:30 Back to You, 9:00 Family Guy, 9:30 American Dad.

I think Private Practice will be the biggest new hit. Pushing Daisies will be a hit as well, but I think 10-12 million on average. Hopefully the premiere will do more than 12. I also hope DSM can sustain its viewership..what a show that is.
Big Shots could also do well, following Grey's.

Fox can easily move TD and BTY on Sundays by January. Something like 7pm King of the Hill, 7:30 'Til Death, 8:00 Simpsons, 8:30 Back to You, 9:00 Family Guy, 9:30 American Dad.

But then that would interrupt the animation block. Fox tried it before with The Winner, The Loop, and War at Home, and all were flops, so I doubt they'd want to do it again.

Well, King of the Hill is dropping a whole lot from The Simpsons and American Dad is not doing that good. It could work.

Well, King of the Hill is dropping a whole lot from The Simpsons and American Dad is not doing that good. It could work.
Is this KOTH's last year?

Well, King of the Hill is dropping a whole lot from The Simpsons and American Dad is not doing that good. It could work.

I don't know why they brought back King of the Hill. Wasn't it getting under 5 million viewers last season? Simpsons and American Dad will still probably be around for awhile. They should lead of the night with Back to You at 8, put Simpsons and American Dad in the middle, and end the night with Til Death at 9:30, with KotH in the 7pm hour.

I still believe PD will be doing over 15 million. If Private Practice can hold the 15 million for next week, PD will most likely do the same.

KOTH's contract is through the end of the year. It is up to Fox to renew it.

I don't know why they brought back King of the Hill. Wasn't it getting under 5 million viewers last season? Simpsons and American Dad will still probably be around for awhile. They should lead of the night with Back to You at 8, put Simpsons and American Dad in the middle, and end the night with Til Death at 9:30, with KotH in the 7pm hour.

I still believe PD will be doing over 15 million. If Private Practice can hold the 15 million for next week, PD will most likely do the same.

Family Guy? No way they move Simpsons from 8.

Family Guy? No way they move Simpsons from 8.

Forgot about Family Guy. And, I'm not a fan of The Simpsons, so I wouldn't know.

Then, I'd leave King/Hill to slowly die at 7pm, move American Dad to 7:30, Simpsons and BTY at 8pm, and Family Guy and Til Death at 9pm. Not too sure about Family Guy at 7:30, but I think it belongs there more than Til Death.

Or, they should move Back to You after the AI results show, whenever that begins on Wednesday nights. Viewers may get a chance to watch it and see how good a show this is. Although, they did that with Til Death, and it usually lost half the lead in, and viewers still aren't tuning in-LOL

midseason...move Bones back to Wednesday at 8....AI Results show at 9 and BTY at 9:30.

midseason...move Bones back to Wednesday at 8....AI Results show at 9 and BTY at 9:30.

They could even move Bones to Friday's and put something else on at Wednesdays at 8pm . . . so far the premiere's ratings were pretty low for that, too. As for BTY at 9:30, that's a good idea, unless AI Results show is an hour long, like it was a lot of times last season.

Final ratings for Wednesday:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=210202

BTY did a 4.5/8, 7.47 million...dropped a bit in the finals. 25% drop in HH from the premiere and 21% drop in viewers from the premiere. It needs to stay put now.

Final ratings for Wednesday:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=210202

BTY did a 4.5/8, 7.47 million...dropped a bit in the finals. 25% drop in HH from the premiere and 21% drop in viewers from the premiere. It needs to stay put now.

That's still a pretty big drop. I was expecting around 8 million, and 7.5 for episode 3. I hope it doesn't drop anymore, but it's likely with PD.

I think Private Practice will be the biggest new hit. Pushing Daisies will be a hit as well, but I think 10-12 million on average. Hopefully the premiere will do more than 12 because it is an EXCELLENT pilot (the best this season). I also hope DSM can sustain its viewership..what a show that is (second best pilot of the year).
Big Shots could also do well, following Grey's.

Fox can easily move TD and BTY on Sundays by January. Something like 7pm King of the Hill, 7:30 'Til Death, 8:00 Simpsons, 8:30 Back to You, 9:00 Family Guy, 9:30 American Dad.


Do me a favor Pav, this isn't an ABC board, so please stop hyping ABC shows on here. Ok, we get it, Pushing Daisies, best of the year, Dirty Sexy Money, your guilty pleasure, Private Practice, a sure fire hit. You hate reality shows, buuuuuuut you like Dancing With the Stars because of the celebrities. riiiiight. I would appreciate if you give the ratings good or bad and leave the rest of the ABC hype machine behind. :)

Do me a favor Pav, this isn't an ABC board, so please stop hyping ABC shows on here. Ok, we get it, Pushing Daisies, best of the year, Dirty Sexy Money, your guilty pleasure, Private Practice, a sure fire hit. You hate reality shows, buuuuuuut you like Dancing With the Stars because of the celebrities. riiiiight. I would appreciate if you give the ratings good or bad and leave the rest of the ABC hype machine behind. :)

What is your problem? I was replying to roseanne88-97 and Walking Tall, not you. You seem to always start stuff with me. If you don't like my opinions, fine. I don't care. Yeah, I'm a ABC hype machine when I said I don't like The Bachelor and I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here. I like and watch Dancing with the Stars...what is the problem? That is the only reality show I even touch. Did I say I watch Wife Swap, Supernanny? No. I'm stating my opinions, no one said my opinions are facts. We are discussing what we think will happen next Wednesday.

What is your problem? I was replying to roseanne88-97 and Walking Tall, not you. You seem to always start stuff with me. If you don't like my opinions, fine. I don't care. Yeah, I'm a ABC hype machine when I said I don't like The Bachelor and I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here. I like and watch Dancing with the Stars...what is the problem? That is the only reality show I even touch. Did I say I watch Wife Swap, Supernanny? No. I'm stating my opinions, no one said my opinions are facts. We are discussing what we think will happen next Wednesday.
Sorry Pav, Brian is right. Nobody cares about all those shows. We're here to discuss Back To You (which is a FOX show, in case you forgot)...Of course people like to talk about the competition and ratings, but like Brian said, drop off the Wednesday ratings and that's it. There is absolutely no reason to throw in "Private Practice, biggest new hit. Dirty Sexy Money, what a show that is! The 2nd best Pilot of the year!, Big Shots could do well after Grey's, etc. The only show we care to hear about is Pushing Daisies, since that's the competition for this boards show...There's an ABC thread for all that other stuff.

What is your problem? I was replying to roseanne88-97 and Walking Tall, not you. You seem to always start stuff with me. If you don't like my opinions, fine. I don't care. Yeah, I'm a ABC hype machine when I said I don't like The Bachelor and I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here. I like and watch Dancing with the Stars...what is the problem? That is the only reality show I even touch. Did I say I watch Wife Swap, Supernanny? No. I'm stating my opinions, no one said my opinions are facts. We are discussing what we think will happen next Wednesday.


Pav, I am not starting with you. The last I checked, this was a Back To You board. Is BTY everybody's cup of tea? No, and that is fine, but to ramble on about how great this show and that show on ABC is, has no place on the board in my opinion.

Sorry Pav, Brian is right. Nobody cares about all those shows. We're here to discuss Back To You (which is a FOX show, in case you forgot)...Of course people like to talk about the competition and ratings, but like Brian said, drop off the Wednesday ratings and that's it. There is absolutely no reason to throw in "Private Practice, biggest new hit. Dirty Sexy Money, what a show that is! The 2nd best Pilot of the year!, Big Shots could do well after Grey's, etc. The only show we care to hear about is Pushing Daisies, since that's the competition for this boards show...There's an ABC thread for all that other stuff.


I'm glad you see where I am coming from here. I don't mind the ratings, but this seems to be getting on the beaten path with other stuff.

I don't mind ratings and even criticism of the show, that is what these boards are for, but to talk about anything else aside from that is unnecessary IMHO.

After a handful of high-profile newcomers failed to excite auds much, NBC's new take on "Bionic Woman" busted out Wednesday, opening with the net's best premiere numbers on the night in eight years.

In the heavyweight Wednesday showdown between a pair of shows with pre-sold hooks, NBC's "Bionic Woman" bowed bigger than ABC's "Private Practice" in key young-adult demos, though the latter was no slouch: The pair stand as the two highest-rated premieres of the season.

They could easily co-exist in the same hour, with "Bionic Woman" playing a bit older and more male than the "Grey's Anatomy" spinoff.

NBC's new cop drama "Life" was a surprising demo winner to cap the night, besting ABC's frosh hour "Dirty Sexy Money" and CBS vet crime drama "CSI: NY."

And among shows in their second weeks, both Fox's "Back to You" and CBS' "Kid Nation" limited their losses to a modest 10%, while Fox's "Kitchen Nightmares" and CW's "Gossip Girl" saw bigger declines -- but that's understandable opposite a crush of premieres on other nets in the 9 o'clock hour.

ABC edged out NBC for the night's 18-49 demo lead (4.3 rating/12 share to 4.1/11), with the Alphabet holding the advantage among auds on the female and younger ends of the 18-49 category, while the Peacock was stronger in the upper half of the demo and with men. NBC was the most improved, rising by 37% in 18-49 and 50% in total viewers vs. premiere Wednesday of a year ago for the net's best start on the night in three years.

ABC drew the largest overall audience thanks to a special "Dancing With the Stars" that kicked off the night.

According to "live plus same-day" DVR-viewing estimates by Nielsen for Wednesday night, "Bionic Woman" averaged a hearty 5.7 rating/14 share in adults 18-49 and 13.91 million viewers overall -- NBC's highest-rated Wednesday series premiere in 18-49 since "The West Wing" in 1999. Opener was also the net's highest-rated regularly scheduled program in Wednesday's 9 o'clock hour since an October 2003 seg of "Wing."

Most impressive about "Bionic Woman" was that it had to build so significantly upon its lead-in from "Deal or No Deal" (2.7/8 in 18-49, 9.05m) and then grew some more in its second half-hour (5.5 vs. 5.9). It also was pretty balanced along gender lines, commanding 16% of the men 18-49 audience and 13% of women of the same age, and it won the hour in adults 25-54 (6.6/15).

At ABC, "Grey's Anatomy" spinoff "Private Practice" was a strong No. 2 in the 9 o'clock hour among adults 18-49 (5.2/13) and No. 1 in total viewers (14.41 million), but it came in well below the 7.7/19 in 18-49 that "Lost" scored with its third-season bow in the time period a year ago. It skewed young and female, winning the hour in adults 18-34 (5.0/14 to 4.2/12 for "Bionic") and key women demos.

"Private Practice," which didn't see any growth in its second half-hour, had a stronger lead-in than "Bionic Woman" courtesy of the first "Dancing With the Stars" results show at 8 o'clock on a special night (4.1/12 in 18-49, 16.81m).

Also in the opening hour, despite added "Dancing" competition, Fox comedy "Back to You" (2.8/9 in 18-49, 7.47m) and CBS reality show "Kid Nation" (2.8/8, 7.62m) retained 90% of their solid premiere-week 18-49 audience. "Back" ran second in 18-49 at 8, and "Kid" moved to second place for its entire hour, moving ahead of Fox's "'Til Death" (2.4/7, 6.20m) at 8:30.

CW's "America's Next Top Model" remained potent at 8 o'clock (2.4/7 in 18-49, 4.90m), winning the hour among adults 18-34 (3.0/10), rising week to week in the younger demo. Lead-out "Gossip Girl" (1.1/3 in 18-49, 2.48m) predictably fell off opposite the big drama premieres in its timeslot but held up reasonably well among its core young-female aud -- retaining 81% of its premiere week females 12-34 aud (2.9 vs. 3.6).

Also at 9, Fox's "Kitchen Nightmares" (2.5/6 in 18-49, 5.42m) dropped by about 20% from its premiere, while CBS drama "Criminal Minds" (3.5/9, 12.66m) was down year-to-year but held up OK given the tough drama newcomers.

At 10 o'clock, NBC's new "Life" (4.0/11 in 18-49, 9.95m) won in 18-49 over CBS vet "CSI: NY" (3.7/10, 12.72m) and ABC newcomer "Dirty Sexy Money" (3.6/10, 10.44m).

"Life," which declined 16% in its second half-hour (3.7 from 4.4), gave NBC its highest rating in the time period in 15 months. And "Dirty," which dipped just 5% in 18-49 on the half-hour (3.5 vs. 3.7), tied with "Life" for the hour's lead among adults 18-34 (3.0/9).

"CSI: NY" carried the hour in overall audience but was down about 3 million viewers from last year's premiere. It moved to the demo lead in both 18-49 and 25-54 at 10:30 and figures to reclaim the hour overall next week.

Next Wednesday will see the addition to the night of ABC's "Pushing Daisies," perhaps the fall's most critically cheered new program.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117972892.html?categoryid=14&cs=1

Well, that's comforting news for BTY, thanks Brian Damage. Now if only FOX could find a decent series to pair BTY with, viewers might actually start to invest their Wednesdays on FOX. This is a big and expensive project for FOX so I would be surpprised if they didn't do any effort to give it more chances. The pilot got mixed reviews but many critics, even those one who were critical about the plot, did praise the exceptional performances of Heaton and Grammer and acknowledged the fact that the show's got great potential. It's way too soon to shout "cancellation". I doubt FOX would give up on the series that easily.

That is a good article, Brian. There's usually more than meets the eye. I guess it could go either way. I remember some dramas last year that were hyped beyond belief, but were casualities by November. Let's hope BTY doesn't meet the same fate. It's too soon to tell, and nobody knows at this point. It's far from going downhill fast, that much I do know.

I just noticed something funny and I HAD to share. So, I'm going through the pilot reviews posted on this site, and I read the review on BTY. A positive one, well written and analyzed by this guy named Todd. Then I scroll on the other threads and I read the review on Big Bang Theory. A well written, quite positive review as well. Then, I look down at the conclusions and it says:
" Todd reviewed Back to you earlier this week. I saw that pilot (BTY) too and this one (BBT), and I think this one was better. Todd didn't see this one yet, but I'm sure he would like this one too."

What gives??? I know everyone has different tastes about comedy but shouldn't these reviews be kinda objective? Hmmmmm :rolleyes:

I just noticed something funny and I HAD to share. So, I'm going through the pilot reviews posted on this site, and I read the review on BTY. A positive one, well written and analyzed by this guy named Todd. Then I scroll on the other threads and I read the review on Big Bang Theory. A well written, quite positive review as well. Then, I look down at the conclusions and it says:
" Todd reviewed Back to you earlier this week. I saw that pilot (BTY) too and this one (BBT), and I think this one was better. Todd didn't see this one yet, but I'm sure he would like this one too."

What gives??? I know everyone has different tastes about comedy but shouldn't these reviews be kinda objective? Hmmmmm :rolleyes:


I am glad you noticed that felix. Sometimes there are things where you can read between the lines. Sometimes, some people have a hidden agenda I guess. *shrugs*

I am glad you noticed that felix. Sometimes there are things where you can read between the lines. Sometimes, some people have a hidden agenda I guess. *shrugs*


That's not cool

That's not cool


I agree. I have no problem if people don't like the show, but it just seems some of the stuff posted is meant to be somewhat malicious.

I liked Big Bang Theory's pilot better than Back to You's pilot. No one said I disliked anything, Brian. The only reason I mentioned Todd was because he gave BTY a 4.5/5, and I gave Big Bang Theory a 4.5/5 as well. Trying to break the tie, that's all. No "hidden agenda" like Brian with his new show premiere winner (giving just the demo numbers).

I liked Big Bang Theory's pilot better than Back to You's pilot. No one said I disliked anything, Brian. The only reason I mentioned Todd was because he gave BTY a 4.5/5, and I gave Big Bang Theory a 4.5/5 as well. Trying to break the tie, that's all. No "hidden agenda" like Brian with his new show premiere winner (giving just the demo numbers).


Believe me, I swear on my kids that I have zero hidden agenda. I have no allegiance to the show or its NETWORK. Although, I do find Patricia to be my guilty pleasure.

I liked Big Bang Theory's pilot better than Back to You's pilot. No one said I disliked anything, Brian. The only reason I mentioned Todd was because he gave BTY a 4.5/5, and I gave Big Bang Theory a 4.5/5 as well. Trying to break the tie, that's all. No "hidden agenda" like Brian with his new show premiere winner (giving just the demo numbers).

Ok, I have to intervene as I started this discussion.

Pavan, it's totally legitimate to prefer one show over another. Every tv critic/tv fan does. Heck, I do too. Now if you had reviewed both shows and at the end had made your comparisons saying which one you liked best that would have been fine with me as a reader.

But, your reviews are posted in the news section, which I would assume are not directly related to the individual threads for each show where fans, like myself, usually comment and rave for the shows we like. Therefore, I expect your reviews and those of others posted in that section to be direct and unbiased.

In this case, in my opinion you really broke the tie, as you say, by urging us, the readers, to at least watch the pilot of Big Bang Theory that you hoped would make 10 + million in ratings. And that's totally acceptable. But somewhere in there you had to mention Todd and BTY, and that you liked BBT better, and that even Todd would have liked it if he had seen it. I don't know who Todd is, or how important his opinion on the new shows is to the readers, but I didn't quite like that. Do with it what you want, this is not meant to disrespect you in any way.

I'm a newcomer here and appreciate the contribution of everyone to the site. Don't forget that we come to this site for fun, to distract ourselves and discuss about something we like with people who have the same interests. Relax and enjoy the shows you like, I'm sure they'll be monster hits in the ratings (I noticed you're quite eager about demo numbers.) People can make their own minds as to what they like regardless of what you or I, or even Brian can say.

Have a nice Sunday evening everyone :wave:

Fair enough, Felix. I did see both pilots, while they are both good pilots, I preferred Big Bang's. I was just trying to break the tie in our battle of the best new sitcom in the reviews, as both pilots got a 4.5/5 from us, from different reviewers. If I had reviewed BTY, I would have gave it a 4/5 overall probably. Todd did like the BBT pilot after watching it on Monday, but I'm not sure yet if he liked it better than this pilot. Knowing Todd's tastes, I think he might have given the edge to BBT.

Todd is by the way, the owner of the website.

Fair enough, Felix. I did see both pilots, while they are both good pilots, I preferred Big Bang's. I was just trying to break the tie in our battle of the best new sitcom in the reviews, as both pilots got a 4.5/5 from us, from different reviewers. If I had reviewed BTY, I would have gave it a 4/5 overall probably. Todd did like the BBT pilot after watching it on Monday, but I'm not sure yet if he liked it better than this pilot. Knowing Todd's tastes, I think he might have given the edge to BBT.

Todd is by the way, the owner of the website.

Oh, good for Todd. Excellent site by the way. My compliments.

Pavan, I see what you're saying but, guess where you lost me again - when you say: Todd did like the BBT pilot after watching it on Monday, but I'm not sure yet if he liked it better than this pilot. Knowing Todd's tastes, I think he might have given the edge to BBT."

Why is it so important for you to assume what the owner of the site likes? So BBT is the best new sitcom according to you and maybe Todd. Great. I totally respect that. I happen to disagree but that's perfectly fine right :)

Anyway, I don't want to go back and forth with this discussion. As I said, I watch the shows myself and I'm more than capable to make up my own mind, regardless of the reviews or the ratings :) .

Oh, good for Todd. Excellent site by the way. My compliments.

Pavan, I see what you're saying but, guess where you lost me again - when you say: Todd did like the BBT pilot after watching it on Monday, but I'm not sure yet if he liked it better than this pilot. Knowing Todd's tastes, I think he might have given the edge to BBT."

Why is it so important for you to assume what the owner of the site likes? So BBT is the best new sitcom according to you and maybe Todd. Great. I totally respect that. I happen to disagree but that's perfectly fine right :)

Anyway, I don't want to go back and forth with this discussion. As I said, I watch the shows myself and I'm more than capable to make up my own mind, regardless of the reviews or the ratings :) .


Well said! :clap

Prime-Time Ratings:
Wednesday 10/03/07

The following results are based on the fast affiliate ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
ABC: 11.62 million, CBS: 11.55, NBC: 10.27, Fox: 6.34, CW: 3.66

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 4.1 rating/11 share, CBS: 3.4/ 9, NBC: 3.3/ 9, Fox: 2.7/ 7, CW: 1.7/ 5

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Pushing Daisies (ABC), Criminal Minds (CBS), Private Practice (ABC), CSI: NY (CBS)

-Still Positive in Week Two:
Bionic Woman (NBC), Dirty Sexy Money (ABC)

-Honorable Mention:
Deal or No Deal (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
Kid Nation (CBS), Back To You (Fox), ‘Til Death (Fox)

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Note: Any prior rating results are based on the final nationals. Also, since the level of DVR penetration has increased from approximately 9 percent during week two in 2006 to about 20 percent at present, the overall results have been negatively impacted.

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-Ratings Breakdown:
ABC won this second Wednesday of the 2007-08 season in both total viewers and adults 18-49, beating No. 2 CBS by 70,000 viewers and 21 percent among adults 18-49. Vastly improved NBC finished third, followed by Fox and the CW.

In series-premiere news, ABC’s critically applauded Pushing Daisies opened on a winning note, with 12.83 million viewers and a 4.3 rating/13 share among adults 18-49. Comparably, that came in on par with year-ago occupant Dancing With the Stars among adults 18-49 (Viewers: 17.49 million; A18-49: 4.5/13 on Oct. 4, 2006). And it beat NBC’s second-place Deal or No Deal (Viewers: 11.07 million; A18-49: 2.8/ 8) by 1.76 million viewers and a hefty 54 percent among adults 18-49.

Week three of CBS’ uneventful Kid Nation finished third in the 8 p.m. hour, with 7.51 million viewers and a 2.4/ 7 among adults 18-49 (tied with Fox in the demo). Comparably, that trailed year-ago occupant Jericho (Viewers: 10.83 million; A18-49: 3.4/10 on Oct. 4, 2006) by a considerable 3.32 million viewers and 29 percent among adults 18-49. With Survivor not what it used to be, I still don’t understand the need to air a clone, only with kids aged 8 to 15.

Next up were Fox’s comedies Back To You (Viewers: #4, 6.58 million; A18-49: #3, 2.4/ 7) and ‘Til Death (Viewers: #4, 6.22 million; A18-49: #4, 2.5/ 7), and America’s Next Top Model on the CW (Viewers: #5, 4.52 million; A18-49: #5, 2.2/ 7). Fox in the hour trailed year-ago occupant Bones (Viewers: 8.10 million; A18-49: 2.8/ 8) by 1.70 million viewers and 14 percent in the demo. And America’s Next Top Model (which is dependent on the female viewers, of course) has also lost steam, with year-to-year erosion of 730,000 viewers and 15 percent among adults 18-49.

Despite facing week two of ABC’s Private Practice and NBC’s Bionic Woman, CBS’ established Criminal Minds was the most-watched show at 9 p.m., with 14.42 million viewers. But it ranked third among adults 18-49, with a 3.7/ 9 in the demo. Week two of ABC’s Private Practice was first in the demo (4.5/11) and second in total viewers, with 12.29 million. Compared to its debut one week earlier (Viewers: 14.41 million; A18-49: 5.2/13 on Sept. 26), that was a loss of a typical 2.12 million viewers and 13 percent among adults 18-49. This is very good news for Private Practice.

Week two of NBC’s competing Bionic Woman finished second among adults 18-49 (4.0/10) and third in total viewers (10.94), but the losses were more dramatic. Compared to its debut one week earlier (Viewers: 13.91 million; A18-49: 5.7/14 on Sept. 26), Bionic Woman was down by 2.97 million viewers and 30 percent in the demo. This is still, however, a vast improvement over year-ago occupant The Biggest Loser (Viewers: 7.15 million; A18-49: 3.0/ 7, on Oct. 4, 2006). So, yes, it is still promising.

Also airing from 9-10 p.m. was episode three of Fox’s non-scripted Kitchen Nightmares (Viewers: #4, 6.29 million; A18-49: #4, 2.9/ 7), and the CW’s Gossip Girl (Viewers: #5, 2.80 million; A18-49: #5, 1.3/ 3). Comparably, this was a minor improvement for both shows from one week earlier.

Top honors at 10 p.m. went to CBS’ veteran CSI: NY, with 12.72 million viewers and a 3.9/10 among adults 18-49. But compared to one year earlier (Viewers: 15.73 million; A18-49: 4.9/14 on Oct. 4, 2006), that was a decrease of 3.01 million viewers and 20 percent in the demo. Second was week two of ABC’s Dirty Sexy Money (Viewers: 9.73 million; A18-49: 3.6/10, followed by week two of NBC’s Life at 8.80 million viewers and a 3.0/ 8 in the demo. Although promising Dirty Sexy Money was on par with week-ago premiere levels (Viewers: 10.44 million; A18-49: 3.6/10 on Sept. 26), Life dropped by 1.15 million viewers and 25 percent in the demo. Keep in mind, however, that failed year-ago occupant Kidnapped was out of the loop entirely with just 5.15 million viewers and a 1.9/ 5 in the demo.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

Episode 3 dipped even more and 'Til Death built on the 18-49 ratings for BTY, which is not good for BTY.

Here are last night's fast nationals:

8-9pm
1. ABC: Pushing Daisies 8.3/14, 12.8 million, 4.2 18-49
2. NBC: Deal or No Deal 7.1/12, 11.1 million, 2.8 18-49
3. CBS: Kid Nation 4.8/8, 7.5 million, 2.5 18-49
4. Fox: Back to You 4.4/7, 6.6 million, 2.4 18-49 and 'Til Death 4.0/6, 6.2 million, 2.5 18-49
5. The CW: Top Model 3.0/5, 4.5 million, 2.2 18-49

9-10pm
1. CBS: Criminal Minds 9.4/15, 14.4 million, 3.7 18-49
2. ABC: Private Practice 8.3/13, 12.8 million, 4.5 18-49
3. NBC: Bionic Woman 6.8/11, 10.9 million, 4.0 18-49
4. Fox: Kitchen Confidential 3.8/6, 6.3 million, 2.9 18-49
5. The CW: Gossip Girl 1.8/3, 2.8 million, 1.3 18-49

10-11pm
1. CBS: CSI: NY 8.3/14, 12.7 million, 3.9 18-49
2. ABC: Dirty Sexy Money 6.7/11, 9.7 million, 3.6 18-49
3. NBC: Life 5.7/10, 8.8 million, 3.0 18-49

Overall: ABC 7.7/13, CBS 7.5/12, NBC 6.5/11, Fox 4.0/6, The CW 2.4/4
18-49: ABC 4.1, CBS 3.4, NBC 3.3, Fox 2.7, The CW 1.7

BTY dropped but TD didn't from last week. Other concerning drops was Bionic Woman goes from a 5.7 18-49 to a 4.0 and Life.

I think this is all in the ratings' thread...interesting to see your point of view of it, though.

That is too bad. This is my second favorite new sitcom this year behind The Big Bang Theory. These ratings are really getting low. It is a good thing that it has Kelsey Grammer and Patricia Heaton in it or it would already be in big, big trouble.

Yep. They should move it to another night. A night with less competition where it doesn't matter if it suffers--and it may not. My suggestion:Sunday. They could both be on in the 7:00 hour--I actually think Pav suggested that himself, but that's a good idea.

I bet FOX tries it after Idol in the winter.

But these ratings are BAD. Really bad.

I bet FOX tries it after Idol in the winter.

But these ratings are BAD. Really bad.

In the words of Debra Barone: Why do you come here to state the obvious :rolleyes:

Sorry, nothing against you, I just can't contain my disappointment with America :mad:

At this point I'm ignoring the ratings and will try to enjoy the show as much as I can. Bottom line is the show is FUNNY and it can get a lot better if FOX lets it. All it needs is some extra time and perhaps a better time slot.

I'm not giving up the ship yet. I think Fox will do whatever it takes to make this show work. AI won't hurt it, come January. If BTY makes it, that's great. If it doesn't, it's not the end of the world. I've been disappointed by many a show's demise. Last year's, Help Me, Help You, was a good show that got cancelled. 'The Nine's' cancellation bothered me, as did 'Smith' for my husband.

I think things have to settle into place, all the premieres have to happen, and we'll see what shows end up on the chopping block and which ones survive. Shows get moved to different time slots, etc. It's too early to panic. Many shows struggle in the beginning. It's a funny show with a talented cast. If the ratings go up and it's a modest success, that's good enough for me. I don't care if it's a blockbuster or not. Shows don't have to be blockbusters to stay on the air either.

In the words of Debra Barone: Why do you come here to state the obvious :rolleyes:
Pay him no mind. Just another ABC disciple. I don't even think he watches the show. His job is to come to this forum every week, and tell us how much the show sucks and how bad the ratings are. What ever would we do without him.

In the words of Debra Barone: Why do you come here to state the obvious :rolleyes:

Sorry, nothing against you, I just can't contain my disappointment with America :mad:

At this point I'm ignoring the ratings and will try to enjoy the show as much as I can. Bottom line is the show is FUNNY and it can get a lot better if FOX lets it. All it needs is some extra time and perhaps a better time slot.

Wednesday at 8 is a weak timeslot(one of the weakest of Sunday-Thursday). Yes Pushing Daisies got off to a very good start but it's not massive like other shows. It could be up against CSI and Grey's both or DWTS. It's not. It needs to be doing better considering the star power behind it.

Oh and Janice... I watched the first two episodes. I had very high hopes for it, loved the pilot, but last week felt blah about it. I will admit I did not watch last night(because I watched PD) but I am not giving up the show. I will check it out again soon and I WANT it to succeed because I want a sitcom to be a hit. They are such a rare breed these days. If Kelsey Grammer and Patricia Heaton can't make a hit, who can?

For the record... I watch several shows on NBC and CBS both. Now FOX doesn't have much that I like, I admit.

and when ABC shows bomb or suck, I have posted about it. I hated Big Shots, Cavemen, and Carpoolers, and have so far not been impressed with Private Practice.

I wouldn't be worried about the ratings just yet. After all, they count DVR's or whatever and that takes a couple of weeks or so I've heard. I bet a lot of people who watch Back to You decided to record it and watch it later so they could watch the premiere of Pushing Daisies. I'm sure the ratings for BTY will be better next week.

I wouldn't be worried about the ratings just yet. After all, they count DVR's or whatever and that takes a couple of weeks or so I've heard. I bet a lot of people who watch Back to You decided to record it and watch it later so they could watch the premiere of Pushing Daisies. I'm sure the ratings for BTY will be better next week.
and BTY is a half-hour show going up against hour shows so I'm sure a lot of people tape the show and watch it later. :)

It could go up maybe 1/2 million or so. Really the half-hour sitcoms do not go up that much (except for The Office) in the 7-day DVR ratings.

I wouldn't be worried about the ratings just yet. After all, they count DVR's or whatever and that takes a couple of weeks or so I've heard. I bet a lot of people who watch Back to You decided to record it and watch it later so they could watch the premiere of Pushing Daisies. I'm sure the ratings for BTY will be better next week.
I knew I liked you. ;)

It's still a great show and the ratings don't measure that. It would be a shame if it was cancelled. Not only would a SITCOM bite the dust, but TJ would lose out on an active board. I am sure he or any of his fellow admins would want that...would they?

Just like for Knights of Prosperity right? You seem to got a kick out of posting the low ratings for that. That was a unique sitcom and the ratings didn't measure that.

Anyway, here are the final ratings for Wednesday:
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=210710

BTY 4.4/7, 6.58 million, 2.4 18-49

Just like for Knights of Prosperity right? You seem to got a kick out of posting the low ratings for that. That was a unique sitcom and the ratings didn't measure that.

Anyway, here are the final ratings for Wednesday:
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=210710

BTY 4.4/7, 6.58 million, 2.4 18-49


Good job Pav, but from now on, I'll get my ratings from a reputable source. I don't need a spin with my ratings. Shame on you.

What spin? The link has numbers only.

What spin? The link has numbers only.


Like I said Pav, no offense, but from now on, I'll just wait for the experts to deliver ratings.

What does that have to do with a spin? All I posted were numbers. Numbers don't lie. There was a thread started by another user on this forum that was from Mediaweek. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=3676574&postcount=168 BTY and TD were on the "Yesterday's Losers."

Medialife Magazine: http://www.medialifemagazine.com/artman2/publish/Overnights_50/Strong_premiere_for_Pushing_Daisies.asp

Hollywood Reporter: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/ratings/e3ib02905834e28040579efca6b1e5544ef

Variety: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117973311.html?categoryid=14

Oh and Janice... I watched the first two episodes. I had very high hopes for it, loved the pilot, but last week felt blah about it. I will admit I did not watch last night(because I watched PD) but I am not giving up the show. I will check it out again soon and I WANT it to succeed because I want a sitcom to be a hit. They are such a rare breed these days. If Kelsey Grammer and Patricia Heaton can't make a hit, who can?



So Brent, when you said last week:

"I hate to be negative, but this show is going downhill FAST. Yes last night had some good moments, but I no longer see it as something special. The ratings dropped big time last night, and if it doesn't stop dropping, it will not last til January.

There was a BIDDING war for this show? I don't think it deserved it.
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Brent

...what you really meant is that you really want this show to succeed :confused:

I never thought a fan forum would be so complicated :crazy: What is this the run for the White House :eek: ???

So Brent, when you said last week:

"I hate to be negative, but this show is going downhill FAST. Yes last night had some good moments, but I no longer see it as something special. The ratings dropped big time last night, and if it doesn't stop dropping, it will not last til January.

There was a BIDDING war for this show? I don't think it deserved it.
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Brent

...what you really meant is that you really want this show to succeed :confused:

I never thought a fan forum would be so complicated :crazy: What is this the run for the White House :eek: ???


They both have an agenda, they are OBSESSED with anything ABC. If this was on ABC, we'd be hearing that the show is good, the demos are skewered, tivo numbers aren't in yet...blah, blah, blah.

I'm just going to enjoy the show until 1.) It isn't funny anymore or 2.) Is Cancelled

Oh COME ON... two nights ago I gave Cavemen, a sitcom on ABC, a ZERO rating. It sucked that bad. I don't "spin" numbers. When they are bad, I admit they are bad. I have seen many shows I have liked get cancelled, I know what it feels like. I have several in danger right now.

I watch Chuck and Journeyman on NBC, and Cane on CBS. All three's ratings are not that great and they are in danger of getting pulled(especially Cane). I'm sorry I don't watch anything else on FOX, but I have watched 24 and Idol in the past.

I was a little over the top with the negativity last week, but I don't want the show to fail. I felt like the writing last week could have been better, and I hope this week it was. When I posted that I was FRUSTRATED. I WANTED to like the show, and I was disappointed.

I am not going to keep posting here if I am going to be attacked, but I DO NOT have an agenda and don't accuse me of it. I don't get paid to say this crap. I am a college student who watches a lot of TV. Just because I like more ABC shows than other networks doesn't mean anything. I know people who like more NBC, CBS, FOX, or CW shows and hate ABC shows on other boards, I don't hold it against them, but I don't want to hear about how they are great and I'm not all the time.

Yes, I'm so obsessed with Cavemen.

I've never said to wait for the TiVo numbers for any show but Lost. That show is the top show in views on abc.com, DVR, and the best selling DVD. Yet it still gets 13-14 million per episode and you said it was doing bad. So where is your post about Bionic Woman dropping 30% in 18-49?

Oh COME ON... two nights ago I gave Cavemen, a sitcom on ABC, a ZERO rating. It sucked that bad. I don't "spin" numbers. When they are bad, I admit they are bad. I have seen many shows I have liked get cancelled, I know what it feels like. I have several in danger right now.

I watch Chuck and Journeyman on NBC, and Cane on CBS. All three's ratings are not that great and they are in danger of getting pulled(especially Cane). I'm sorry I don't watch anything else on FOX, but I have watched 24 and Idol in the past.

I was a little over the top with the negativity last week, but I don't want the show to fail. I felt like the writing last week could have been better, and I hope this week it was.


Brent, honestly, I was referring to the "unbiased" admin of news. You yourself may be a little over the top with your love of ABC, but in the big scheme of things, you are just a fan. You are not a reviewer who is supposed to be unbiased.

This is a message board. I can post both facts and my opinions. This thread is about Back to You's ratings. I posted their ratings. It is facts. And I gave some analysis. Any rating expert can tell you the show is not doing as good as it should be. 2.4 18-49 is good? Til Death did a 2.5

And you clearly said "both." So you are blaming Brent, too. You can't change people's tastes.

If you read the news blog, it is not just about ABC.

Yes, I'm so obsessed with Cavemen.

I've never said to wait for the TiVo numbers for any show but Lost. That show is the top show in views on abc.com, DVR, and the best selling DVD. Yet it still gets 13-14 million per episode and you said it was doing bad. So where is your post about Bionic Woman dropping 30% in 18-49?


Not even you could spin Cavemen. I don't know why you deny it. I am not the only one sees your bias towards ABC. You love ABC, that is your right, but as a reviewer, I can no longer take what you say seriously.

Sorry Pav, but you are wrong here.

Where am I reviewing? This is a message board. And the ratings for Cavemen was on par with Back to You. Ratings have nothing to do if I like that show or not.

Where am I reviewing? This is a message board. And the ratings for Cavemen was on par with Back to You. Ratings have nothing to do if I like that show or not.


Please Pav, I am begging you, stop the madness. You know that you are obsessed with ABC. It is no longer a secret. People email me left and right asking why you are so obsessed with ABC. I have no idea, nor do I care. You know what you do.

Madness? You're the one starting it. All I did was post the ratings. This is a ratings thread. You didn't want the ratings in the episode discussions, so you got your wish. So the ratings can't be posted here either now? I guess you just go and find articles where they don't blast the ratings and post it. Instead of showing the flat out numbers, like I do.

Brian, no offense but you need to let it go.

Don't let this ratings thread ruin the show for you. There was a lot of whining when the ratings were being posted in episode threads. Now there's whining in this thread. I tried to accomodate people by limiting the discussion of the ratings to a single thread.

I don't have any allegiance to any network. I watch shows on all networks. I'm no ratings expert but the numbers don't look so great to me.

All reviewers put their own spin on shows and movies. All the networks put their own spin on the ratings to make them look the most favorable. Is that Mediaweek round-up biased because they put it in the "Today's Losers" section? The numbers are facts.

Pavan never reviewed Back to You. He can give his opinion on the ratings like everybody else on the boards. If you want to say he's not an expert and can't be taken seriously, that's fine... but we don't need to hear it in every post. We get it. He likes ABC shows. He doesn't work for them.

First you are attacking Pavan and now it's Brent? What's your vendetta against them?

Fox has way too much invested in this show to let it fail. It will get a post-AI slot, and the numbers will turn around in January.

And the funny thing is, I never said Back to You was bad. The pilot was ok. As I stated before, I would have given it a 4/5 if I had reviewed it. So how is that biased? All I did on the message boards (where I can post my opinions...which anyone can) was analyze the ratings...and I didn't really even say anything about this week, all I did was state the facts.

Brian, no offense but you need to let it go.

Don't let this ratings thread ruin the show for you. There was a lot of whining when the ratings were being posted in episode threads. Now there's whining in this thread. I tried to accomodate people by limiting the discussion of the ratings to a single thread.

I don't have any allegiance to any network. I watch shows on all networks. I'm no ratings expert but the numbers don't look so great to me.

All reviewers put their own spin on shows and movies. All the networks put their own spin on the ratings to make them look the most favorable. Is that Mediaweek round-up biased because they put it in the "Today's Losers" section? The numbers are facts.

Pavan never reviewed Back to You. He can give his opinion on the ratings like everybody else on the boards. If you want to say he's not an expert and can't be taken seriously, that's fine... but we don't need to hear it in every post. We get it. He likes ABC shows.

Fox has way too much invested in this show to let it fail. It will get a post-AI slot, and the numbers will turn around in January.


TJ, I understand where you are coming from. Am I disappointed with the BTY rating? Yes I am, but believe it or not, Pav does have an agenda and you know it.

Mediaweek isn't biased at all, they have no allegiance to a dang network.

And we know your agenda is to bash whatever I have to say....and have Janice back you up.

And we know your agenda is to bash whatever I have to say....and have Janice back you up.


I don't need Janice to back me up. Speaking of back up Pav, don't go there, because you have plenty.

So did you and Janice recruit people to post in this thread and question me? One member has not posted in a while and all of a sudden notices something, which something Janice mentioned to Todd before already.

And no I didn't come up with that. Todd is doing investigating.

So did you and Janice recruit people to post in this thread and question me? One member has not posted in years and all of a sudden notices something, which something Janice mentioned to Todd before already.

And no I didn't come up with that. Todd is doing investigating.


I honestly have zero idea about what you are talking about. Like I said, I don't need back up. I see what I see. By the way, last I checked, Janice wasn't a part of this conversation with you. It's you and me and nobody else.

So did you and Janice recruit people to post in this thread and question me? One member has not posted in years and all of a sudden notices something, which something Janice mentioned to Todd before already.
Don't accuse me of recruiting anybody to post on this board. You sound paranoid. Who are you talking about, felix? I hate no clue where he came from. People have their own opinions. If you don't like their opinions, don't blame it on me. I don't know what you're referring to, in regards to something I mentioned to TJ. Many people share the same opinions of things. I DO NOT appreciate being accused of something I didn't do.

So did you and Janice recruit people to post in this thread and question me? One member has not posted in a while and all of a sudden notices something, which something Janice mentioned to Todd before already.

And no I didn't come up with that. Todd is doing investigating.


Who in the heck are you even referring to? I am lost here.

And no I didn't come up with that. Todd is doing investigating.
Investigating? You're off your rocker.

Who in the heck are you even referring to? I am lost here.
Just wait Brian, until we're shown on of those famous "timelines." I have never heard anything so crazy, from an Admin of a site, in my life. If it wasn't so pathetic, it just might be funny.

Janice, why are you assuming we are talking about Felix?

I just found it very fishy that felix had mentioned the exact same thing that Janice had mentioned to me. If it was a mere coincidence that Felix had come across Pavan's review of The Big Bang Theory and noticed the same thing where he said he liked The Big Bang Theory pilot more than Back to You, I'm sorry.

Felix had 1 post in 1 1/2 years before Back to You started. And now he's a regular and analyzing ratings like everybody else. No offense Felix, I'm glad you are posting and enjoying the show.

Janice, why are you assuming we are talking about Felix?

I just found it very fishy that felix had mentioned the exact same thing that Janice had mentioned to me. If it was a mere coincidence that Felix had come across Pavan's review of The Big Bang Theory and noticed the same thing where he said he liked The Big Bang Theory pilot more than Back to You, I'm sorry.

Felix had 1 post in 2 years before Back to You started. And now he's a regular and analyzing ratings like everybody else. No offense Felix, I'm glad you are posting and enjoying the show.


On my children's lives, I swear I don't know what you are talking about.

Janice, why are you assuming we are talking about Felix?

I just found it very fishy that felix had mentioned the exact same thing that Janice had mentioned to me. If it was a mere coincidence that Felix had come across Pavan's review of The Big Bang Theory and noticed the same thing where he said he liked The Big Bang Theory pilot more than Back to You, I'm sorry.

Felix had 1 post in 1 1/2 years before Back to You started. And now he's a regular and analyzing ratings like everybody else. No offense Felix, I'm glad you are posting and enjoying the show.


No offense TJ, but seeing Pav do his thing is no longer a big dirty secret. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put things together.

Janice, why are you assuming we are talking about Felix?

I just found it very fishy that felix had mentioned the exact same thing that Janice had mentioned to me. If it was a mere coincidence that Felix had come across Pavan's review of The Big Bang Theory and noticed the same thing where he said he liked The Big Bang Theory pilot more than Back to You, I'm sorry.

Felix had 1 post in 2 years before Back to You started. And now he's a regular and analyzing ratings like everybody else. No offense Felix, I'm glad you are posting and enjoying the show.
I assumed it was felix because he's the only new member I see posting here. Fishy, my ass. I guess anyone who disagrees with Pavan is a plant. I have no clue who he is. This is typical you, always accusing me of lying. You think nothing of accusing people of lying. Brian and I have been trying to figure out where he came from ourselves. I did an IP check. Brian sent him a PM and an e:mail.

If you think that it's only a handful of members who don't see Pavan's obsession with ABC, you are mistaken. Many are afraid to speak up. It's not unusual that felix saw the BBT review, which took a swipe at BTY. It jumps off the page. Nice way for an owner and his partner to treat a new member, publicly. Just when I think I've seen it all.

Do I make the News Blog all about ABC? Oh you wouldn't no, because you don't view anything else on the site but the message boards. I can post and give my thoughts on whatever shows I like on the message boards. That is my opinion. I don't carry that over on the blog.

I'll just say this Pav, your bias doesn't look good when you are being bias towards one network.

Do I say that on the news blog? You and Janice have not answered that.

Do I say that on the news blog? You and Janice have not asnwered that.

Are you bias towards ABC? You have yet to answer that.

Brian doesn't have to explain the contents of his personal correspondence with anyone. I mentioned it only to show that Brian isn't felix, I'm not felix, or whatever it is, you crack investigators are theorizing.

Do I say that on the news blog? You and Janice have not answered that.
I don't read the blog. A person doesn't have to read the blog to know that you're hung up on ABC.

No, I'm not biased. ABC has really great shows, past and present. I don't like them all of course, but most of them are of high class.
There was a period from about 1998-2002 when I didn't watch anything on ABC, except for Millionaire. So, if the show is not good, I won't watch. The quality of ABC shows skyrocketed the past few seasons. There are no shows like theirs the last few seasons. The dramas are the best on network TV right now. Emmys agree.

No, I'm not biased. ABC has really great shows, past and present. I don't like them all of course, but most of them are of high class.
There was a period from abotu 1998-2002 when I didn't watch anything on ABC, except for Millionaire. So, if the show is not good, I won't watch. The quality of ABC shows skyrocketed the past few seasons. There are no shows like theirs the last few seasons.


Honestly, I don't want to fight. I am tired, my wife is sick, I have to get the kids to school. You have your opinions and I have mine. To answer your question, I don't read your blog, never have.

The blog is the formal news I post. That and the schedules/ratings on the General board. I don't post my opinions on anything there, unless it is a DVD/pilot review. So what are you talking about the news admin has to be fair, when you don't even read the actual news I post, you just base it on my message board posts which are my opinions...if you don't agree, fine, but stop the bashing.

Janice, you know I hate seeing gangups and people being recruited to participate in threads. We've been through this over the years.

That was no swipe at Back to You in The Big Bang Theory review. You will often see people rank their favorite shows. He saw both pilots. He liked The Big Bang Theory more. Is that some kind of crime? I saw both pilots myself and I happened to like The Big Bang Theory more myself.

I don't care what people think of Pavan's obsession with ABC. As long as people enjoy the site and have fun in the community, why would it matter to me?

Pavan has been writing the weekly blog ratings for awhile now. Why hasn't anybody complained even anonymously about it? Don't like what he has to say? Don't read it! His opinions on the boards are completely seperate from the blog.

He is strictly a volunteer. He has nothing to gain by posting ratings. He has devoted hundreds of hours of his time to the site, just like you two have as valuable moderators here.

This whole thing seems to between Pavan and Brian. This really has nothing to do with BTY's ratings. It's about who can get the last swipe in at each other. Unfortunately, they have never really gotten along. I just wish it would end.

Can you guys please both agree to drop this and not start stuff with each other?

Honestly, I don't want to fight. I am tired, my wife is sick, I have to get the kids to school. You have your opinions and I have mine. To answer your question, I don't read your blog, never have.
Goodnight, my fellow liar and partner-in-cahoots. I hope Jenn feels better soon. :)

Janice, you know I hate seeing gangups and people being recruited to participate in threads. We've been through this over the years.

That was no swipe at Back to You in The Big Bang Theory review. You will often see people rank their favorite shows. He saw both pilots. He liked The Big Bang Theory more. Is that some kind of crime? I saw both pilots myself and I happened to like The Big Bang Theory more myself.

I don't care what people think of Pavan's obsession with ABC. As long as people enjoy the site and have fun in the community, why would it matter to me?

Pavan has been writing the weekly blog ratings for awhile now. Why hasn't anybody complained even anonymously about it? Don't like what he has to say? Don't read it! His opinions on the boards are completely seperate from the blog.

He is strictly a volunteer. He has nothing to gain by posting ratings. He has devoted hundreds of hours of his time to the site, just like you two have as valuable moderators here.

This whole thing seems to between Pavan and Brian. This really has nothing to do with BTY's ratings. It's about who can get the last swipe in at each other. Unfortunately, they have never really gotten along. I just wish it would end.

Can you guys please both agree to drop this and not start stuff with each other?


I honestly don't know why Pav has had a problem with me, because I dang sure never had a problem with him. I am done fighting. Goodnight guys

Janice, you know I hate seeing gangups and people being recruited to participate in threads. We've been through this over the years.

That was no swipe at Back to You in The Big Bang Theory review. You will often see people rank their favorite shows. He saw both pilots. He liked The Big Bang Theory more. Is that some kind of crime? I saw both pilots myself and I happened to like The Big Bang Theory more myself.

I don't care what people think of Pavan's obsession with ABC. As long as people enjoy the site and have fun in the community, why would it matter to me?

Pavan has been writing the weekly blog ratings for awhile now. Why hasn't anybody complained even anonymously about it? Don't like what he has to say? Don't read it! His opinions on the boards are completely seperate from the blog.

He is strictly a volunteer. He has nothing to gain by posting ratings. He has devoted hundreds of hours of his time to the site, just like you two have as valuable moderators here.

This whole thing seems to between Pavan and Brian. This really has nothing to do with BTY's ratings. It's about who can get the last swipe in at each other. Unfortunately, they have never really gotten along. I just wish it would end.

Can you guys please both agree to drop this and not start stuff with each other?
You and Pavan owe both of your "valuable moderators" an apology for what you both publicly and wrongly accused us of tonight.

Hey here's some positive news for the show... according to TIVO, it is "doing well" with them as far as people recording it and watching later.

Other new shows scoring well, acording to TiVo, were "Journeyman, "Dirty Sexy Money," "Back to You," "Cane," "Chuck" and Ken Burns' multipart documentary "The War."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i0901c3bb3b01f5d1ba9146c5b97ca350

Do I make the News Blog all about ABC? Oh you wouldn't no, because you don't view anything else on the site but the message boards. I can post and give my thoughts on whatever shows I like on the message boards. That is my opinion. I don't carry that over on the blog.
Pav, you don't make all your news blogs about ABC, but do you really have to post in the blog that Private Practice will have an encore airing on Friday?...And then you mention it AGAIN in the ABC Fall thread. There's no reason for that, really.

You say your not biased towards ABC shows, and you like shows from other networks, but you don't go ON AND ON about them. I can definitely see where Brian is coming from. I'm not speaking for him, but from what I can see, he's not upset that you posted your bad ratings for the show, he's upset that you constantly rub it in that Pushing Daisies is THE BEST pilot of the year, Private Practive wins the night with women, or the younger crowd, etc. We don't care about that. This board is for Back To You. And TJ, THAT was what the fighting was about last week, not that the ratings were posted in the episode threads.

I assumed it was felix because he's the only new member I see posting here. Fishy, my ass. I guess anyone who disagrees with Pavan is a plant. I have no clue who he is. This is typical you, always accusing me of lying. You think nothing of accusing people of lying. Brian and I have been trying to figure out where he came from ourselves. I did an IP check. Brian sent him a PM and an e:mail.

If you think that it's only a handful of members who don't see Pavan's obsession with ABC, you are mistaken. Many are afraid to speak up. It's not unusual that felix saw the BBT review, which took a swipe at BTY. It jumps off the page. Nice way for an owner and his partner to treat a new member, publicly. Just when I think I've seen it all.

Not to get involved here (well...;)), but are new members not allowed to come out of the blue, and start posting the ratings, and their thoughts on a new show? Felix hasn't posted in years, but now he is....I just don't see how that makes him a "recruit" for Janice or Brian. He's just stating the obvious.

And "investigating?" ARE YOU SERIOUS? LOL

And Pav, Brian needs Janice as "back up?"....It seems that every time there's something brewing here, TJ just happens to read the board at that time. I don't mean to come off as beind smug, but COME ON.

I mentioned it only to show that Brian isn't felix, I'm not felix, or whatever it is, you crack investigators are theorizing.

Theorizing crack investigators! :lol:

The quality of ABC shows skyrocketed the past few seasons. There are no shows like theirs the last few seasons. The dramas are the best on network TV right now. Emmys agree.
Which explains why LOST and Desperate Housewives have been quote on quote "snubbed" 2 years in a row....

ABC having "the best Dramas on network TV" is certainly your opinion. But IMO, several of their shows have take nosedives. Grey's Anatomy certainly has gone down (It was 1 of my favorites too). And Desperate Housewives has been declining since the beginning of the 2nd season. I know many who agree with both.

Talk about an ungrateful owner and his administrator. To accuse two mods of lying and recruiting a gangup is just completely out of line. A public apology is in order but considering the two that did the accusation, I doubt it will come anytime soon.
Where did you come from? You haven't posted in over 2 years. Who recruited you? There's something "fishy" going on here... ;)

Pav, you don't make all your news blogs about ABC, but do you really have to post in the blog that Private Practice will have an encore airing on Friday?...And then you mention it AGAIN in the ABC Fall thread. There's no reason for that, really.

Isn't that what the ABC fall thread is for though? Talk of ABC.

Seems odd to me that somebody would find it weird that an ABC show was talked about in the ABC thread.

I think the reason the Private Practice encore was posted on the blog is because it was a correction, they previously said Grey's Anatomy would be airing then and ABC changed it.

Wether encores deserve mention, I don't know, but its clearly not only ABC encores are mentioned:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:www.sitcomsonline.com/blog/+encore&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
241 results in Google for the word "encore" on the Sitcoms Online Blog.

I feel compelled to disclose the ABC shows I do now or have ever liked: 8 Simple Rules, Home Improvement & Roseanne ... if I think of any more, I'll be sure to let you all know ;)

Janice, why are you assuming we are talking about Felix?

I just found it very fishy that felix had mentioned the exact same thing that Janice had mentioned to me. If it was a mere coincidence that Felix had come across Pavan's review of The Big Bang Theory and noticed the same thing where he said he liked The Big Bang Theory pilot more than Back to You, I'm sorry.

Felix had 1 post in 1 1/2 years before Back to You started. And now he's a regular and analyzing ratings like everybody else. No offense Felix, I'm glad you are posting and enjoying the show.

You should be sorry. You want an explanation of why I just started to post regularly on this board? You just have to ask. Stop throwing allegations around. Here you go, hope you have the patience to read.

I became a fan of Everybody loves Raymond in 2005 the year it went off air. I became so obssesed with the show that I started researching on the internet to find as much information on it as possible. This is how I came accross "sitcoms online". I posted only once I think, I honestly don't remember, but then I lost interest because I was getting the information I needed from ELR forum and PatriciaHeatononline.

Fastforward 2007. My favorite actress is starring on a new show Back to you. So, I'm starting to research to get new info on the show. I come to sitcoms online again and I find out that there is a whole thread dedicated to the show. I'm very happy, and whenever I have time I check to see what other people are writing about it. Into it's second week, I think I'll try to post and say what I think about the show. I tried to register, because I had totally forgotten that I already did two years ago. Sure enough I found out that I already had an account here, so a new password was sent to my email, as I didn't remember the first one, and voila, I'm here now regularly.

I appologise that my sudden comments created such a confusion among you. I don't know Janice or Brian, and NEITHER of them RECRUITED me to write here. For your information Back to You is the only show I watch on FOX. Every other show I watch is on ABC. But I like Patricia Heaton, and that's why I like to discuss about a show she's stars in. That's why you don't see me posting in other threads, in case you were wondering for that too.

And Pavan, Brent and others. I didn't need a magnifying glass to read between the lines of your posts. You overtly and covertly attck this show. It's perfectly fine to not like it. Heck, you are overjoyed that the ratings are down, admit it. Even I can't stop laughing when some of you say that you want this show to be a success. Because that's quite a strech coming from you. What I don't understand, and perhaps this is where I differ from you, is that if I don't like a show I just ignore it, I don't write about it, I just let it be. But that's just me.

Anyway, I hope I answered your questions. If there's anything else you'd like to know please just ask, blood type, height nothing is off limits.

Buffy, I have always posted last minute schedule changes on the blog and the fall threads. I posted even that Kid Nation would encore a few weeks ago on a Saturday.
And Raisingdad is correct, it was a correction on the blog because of a last minute schedule change. I don't want people to tune in to see something else.
As for the ratings, so the ratings are mine now? I just posted the actual ratings. Is it my fault they are not as good? And the thing with Pushing Daisies was not this week, so why is this still an on going issue? And I was having a discussion with roseanne on that. All I did this week was post the ratings. I never said anything on this thread about Private Practice winning with "women," in fact I never said that anywhere.
As for the Emmys, ABC had the most wins still despite no Lost or DH wins.

Who is MrJefferson? All of a sudden they delete their post. AOL IP.

Isn't that what the ABC fall thread is for though? Talk of ABC.

Seems odd to me that somebody would find it weird that an ABC show was talked about in the ABC thread.

I think the reason the Private Practice encore was posted on the blog is because it was a correction, they previously said Grey's Anatomy would be airing then and ABC changed it.

Wether encores deserve mention, I don't know, but its clearly not only ABC encores are mentioned:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:www.sitcomsonline.com/blog/+encore&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
241 results in Google for the word "encore" on the Sitcoms Online Blog.

I feel compelled to disclose the ABC shows I do now or have ever liked: 8 Simple Rules, Home Improvement & Roseanne ... if I think of any more, I'll be sure to let you all know ;)

I DO NOT find it weird that an ABC show is talked about in an ABC thread. I find it weird that it's mentioned there, and then again advertised in the blog....And what's the difference if it was a correction? It's the exact same thing. Does it really need to be advertised that Grey's Anatomy was to be encored? There's many shows that have encores each week. Why not mention that Scifi encores Heroes and The Bionic Woman?...Oh that's right....

I enjoy ABC. 'LOST' is my favorite show on TV. I just don't need to hype it up, practically everywhere I go on this website. There are places for that, and the 'Back To You' board isn't one of those places.

I am going to try and put things into perspective here. I did not recruit anybody to email me or pm me about Pav. There were quite a few people who got in contact with me that questioned why Pav liked ABC so much. Some thought it was very odd and others actually thanked me for speaking up. People I have never even heard of contacted me.

Regardless, I have no problem with Pav posting the ratings whether they are good or bad. That was never the issue. All I want is a board that we can just chat and shoot the **** about a sitcom that people really enjoy. I don't want to fight, I never have.

I do think it was rude to accuse Janice and I of something sinister. It was also out of line to alienate a member in felix. An apology is in order, but alas, I don't think that will happen. To the fans of this board and this show, I apologize for the fighting. Let's just enjoy the show for however long it lasts. :)

I post last minute schedule changes. Those are more interesting. People can find the scheduled encores easily, so I don't have to mention that. Kid Nation was last minute. Did I post on the blog when E! was going to encore Big Shots and Dirty Sexy Money pilots as a last minute change? So why would I mention "scheduled" encores of Heroes and Bionic Woman on Sci Fi? I try to limit the dramas on the blog, only when I need something to cover. Sitcom news is hard to find these days...past and present.
Lost was hyped up on this board now? No one brought it up here at all until you did.

Can we seriously just end this and agree to disagree?

Buffy, I have always posted last minute schedule changes on the blog and the fall threads. I posted even that Kid Nation would encore a few weeks ago on a Saturday.
And Raisingdad is correct, it was a correction on the blog because of a last minute schedule change. I don't want people to tune in to see something else.
As for the ratings, so the ratings are mine now? I just posted the actual ratings. Is it my fault they are not as good? And the thing with Pushing Daisies was not this week, so why is this still an on going issue? And I was having a discussion with roseanne on that. All I did this week was post the ratings. I never said anything on this thread about Private Practice winning with "women," in fact I never said that anywhere.
As for the Emmys, ABC had the most wins still despite no Lost or DH wins.

Who is MrJefferson? All of a sudden they delete their post. AOL IP.

Pav, I see what your saying. I get it about the encores. I just found it odd...And RaisingDad asked me a question, so I answered. I do see where your coming from with the blog now.

The thing with Pushing Daisies was last week. Fine. There was still discussion about what went on with your thoughts on The Big Bang Theory/Back To You thing. That's what I should have used as an example originally. I apologize for bringing up the old Pushing Daisies subject.

And I don't know who Mr. Jefferson is, but I quoted him. I guess he's just a browser and wanted to get his 2 cents in....I have no clue why he would delete his post though...

I post last minute schedule changes. Those are more interesting. People can find the scheduled encores easily, so I don't have to mention that. Kid Nation was last minute. Did I post on the blog when E! was going to encore Big Shots and Dirty Sexy Money pilots as a last minute change? So why would I mention "scheduled" encores of Heroes and Bionic Woman on Sci Fi? I try to limit the dramas on the blog, only when I need something to cover. Sitcom news is hard to find these days...past and present.
Lost was hyped up on this board now? No one brought it up here at all until you did.
Like is said in my other post, I now see what your saying about posting the schedule changes in the blog.

And I never said LOST was hyped on this board. I said it's my favorite show on TV, but I DON'T hype it up all over this board, like you've done with other shows.

And Pavan, Brent and others. I didn't need a magnifying glass to read between the lines of your posts. You overtly and covertly attck this show. It's perfectly fine to not like it. Heck, you are overjoyed that the ratings are down, admit it. Even I can't stop laughing when some of you say that you want this show to be a success. Because that's quite a strech coming from you. What I don't understand, and perhaps this is where I differ from you, is that if I don't like a show I just ignore it, I don't write about it, I just let it be. But that's just me.

I am not overjoyed the ratings are down. Those who know me know I WANT a sitcom to hit, no matter what network it is on. I'm so disappointed because I feel like this show should be doing a lot better, and instead it's just like all the other sitcoms. It may not even be the show's fault. Could be any number of things, but if Kelsey Grammer and Patricia Heaton can't make a hit, I don't think anyone can.

Now please quit attacking me. I'm not going to talk about this show anymore here.

I assumed it was felix because he's the only new member I see posting here. Fishy, my ass. I guess anyone who disagrees with Pavan is a plant. I have no clue who he is. This is typical you, always accusing me of lying. You think nothing of accusing people of lying. Brian and I have been trying to figure out where he came from ourselves. I did an IP check. Brian sent him a PM and an e:mail.

If you think that it's only a handful of members who don't see Pavan's obsession with ABC, you are mistaken. Many are afraid to speak up. It's not unusual that felix saw the BBT review, which took a swipe at BTY. It jumps off the page. Nice way for an owner and his partner to treat a new member, publicly. Just when I think I've seen it all.

Janice, I don't know how I missed what you were saying here, and just now read that Brian had sent me an email. Brian, my appologies I didn't even know you had because I use that email address when I register on online newspapers and sites like this and I don't expect any correspondence that's why I don't check it regularly. I was not ignoring you, I swear. I just read it.

As to finding out where I came from, I already explained it in my other post.

I don't really care what the owner of the site and Pavan think of me. I'm sure they will find something fishy about this comment too. It doesn't affect me a bit, but I have to say that's a great way to drive people away from this forum. Keep on the good work.

Not to get involved here (well...;)), but are new members not allowed to come out of the blue, and start posting the ratings, and their thoughts on a new show? Felix hasn't posted in years, but now he is....I just don't see how that makes him a "recruit" for Janice or Brian. He's just stating the obvious.

And "investigating?" ARE YOU SERIOUS? LOL

And Pav, Brian needs Janice as "back up?"....It seems that every time there's something brewing here, TJ just happens to read the board at that time. I don't mean to come off as beind smug, but COME ON.


Exactly, Buffyboy!!!

Would someone please let me in on the results of the investigation? Or better yet, ask me direct questions it may save you a lot of time.

Seriously, some people here are really messed up :crazy:

I deleted my post because I decided I didn't want to add to the disagreement but since my post got quoted I guess I'm an involved party. I read Pav's posts and that guy seems completely obsessed. Maybe instead of ABC, he should be a fan of NBC. A few Dr. Phil episodes might be a good prescription.

Nice to see you find your way back here Bobby F., aka Senor, aka Shawn Prewitt. When can you take a hint that your not welcome to post here, jackass? Haven't you caused enough damage on the boards? You seem completely obsessed with wreaking havoc and stalking people on the boards.

If you want to see how friends are recruited and tipped off to post in a thread, take a look at this post on the Family Ties board:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=194866

This is nothing new. It has happened time after time.

Felix, if you've received PMs from Brian and e-mails from him - I'd like to see you forward those to me. Your PM statistics indicate you've received exactly 1 PM. I don't doubt you are a real person. I only think that somebody was whispering in your ear and asking you to backup their story.

Nice to see you find your way back here Bobby F., aka Senor, aka Shawn Prewitt. When can you take a hint that your not welcome to post here, jackass? Haven't you caused enough damage on the boards? You seem completely obsessed with wreaking havoc and stalking people on the boards.

If you want to see how friends are recruited and tipped off to post in a thread, take a look at this post on the Family Ties board:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=194866

This is nothing new. It has happened time after time.

Felix, if you've received PMs from Brian and e-mails from him - I'd like to see you forward those to me. Your PM statistics indicate you've received exactly 1 PM. I don't doubt you are a real person. I only think that somebody was whispering in your ear and asking you to backup their story.

How many names did you register back in 2005? Nice way to keep them in your backpocket for so long.

How many names did you register back in 2005? Nice way to keep them in your backpocket for so long.

If you want to see how friends are recruited and tipped off to post in a thread, take a look at this post on the Family Ties board:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=194866

This is nothing new. It has happened time after time.

Felix, if you've received PMs from Brian and e-mails from him - I'd like to see you forward those to me. Your PM statistics indicate you've received exactly 1 PM. I don't doubt you are a real person. I only think that somebody was whispering in your ear and asking you to backup their story.
What does that link prove? There was no gangup on that thread. Looks like Bobby F. replied the next morning, and said he clicks on new posts and saw that thread. I didn't tip him off. That's just BS. If I recruited my friends on that thread, the thread would be loaded with my friends. Even if I did, AND I DID NOT, lots of members alert their friends to threads, even as a, "You gotta see this" type of thing. There's nothing unusual about that, and like you said, nothing new. You've never sent a link to a friend? Most everyone has.

You have no right to ask a member to read their personal correspondence. A PM is just that, a PRIVATE MESSAGE. You also have no say in monitoring the conversations among members. You don't own your members. Both Brian and felix are perfectly capable of handling themselves. They don't need backup.

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