Does anyone else that is supposed to be 'at the age' to like today's music not like it? Most of it is just a bunch of jibber jabber! There are very few 'normal' sounding songs anymore, everything on the top 40 station is rap! Seriously! No wonder the record industry is so troubled these days. :rolleyes: There are VERY few good songs around right now!

I usually listen to the Oldies station or the 'Lite FM' station. Lite plays some new songs that are actually decent. I like 60s/70s/80s much more, when music was actually worthwhile...

I agree and disagree. While some of today's music sounds like crap(i.e:rap music), you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss ALL of it. There are plenty of music artists today that sounds just as good as "yesterday's" music like Alicia Keys, Justin Timberlake, Amy Lee, and etc. I'm sure people have said the same thing about music in the '60's and '70's about it being 'crap'. I'm sure songs about disco dancing ducks and wanting to be bobby's girl was just as jibberish.

As far as I know, people back then complained about music, like what my parents used to listen to, according to my dad, his parents hated the music he listened to like The Mamas and the Papas and The Grateful Dead. And he grew up in the '60's and '70's.

As far as slump in record sales, you can thank illegal downloaders, not the quality of music.

I havent "gotten" most of the "new music" since about 1973!!! :lol:

I "get" it just fine. They can have it back. puke:

I listen today to what is called "metal" and it sounds so derivative and everyone trying to be so "alternative". It's lost its whole point in being metal, and it has the audacity to call itself "real" metal. :rolleyes:

To answer the question, I stopped listening to top 40 music after 1981. And, for me, after 1978, it started to seem to slip.

Theres like only a handfull of todays music that i like, i think everything has already been done, i hope that in the future things pick up.

I don't like today's new music either. I love music from the 1950s all the way to the 1990s, but the stuff from this decade all sounds the same to me. I can't stand hip-hop/rap; it just makes me nervous!

i like some r'n'b and hip hop but i do agree it is overplayed a lot and thus, it is rather excessive. not just on the radio but on mtv and so many music channels to tv. i love all genres of music, but quality is more important than quantity. thank goodness that we have the choice to choose from various types of music. that's why i always avoid listening to the radio and watch mtv- i get all my music fix on youtube and my tastes in music tend to span the 60s-90s. the decade of the 00s to today, is the worst.

unfortunately, we have a music industry who care more about making a profit than help make the types of quality records we want to listen to

Also most of the female artist these days sell themselfs by being half naked in music videos and what not, just dosnt seem to be about the "music" much these days either more about image.

To me todays music doesnt make alot of sense. I occasioally listen to current music and ifs not about sex,abuse, or violence then you it isnt a hit.

Also most of the female artist these days sell themselfs by being half naked in music videos and what not, just dosnt seem to be about the "music" much these days either more about image.

yeah, sex sells unfortunately. when you consider the amount of videos with women looking like whores and wearing skimpy outfits that are showing off their breasts and arse, you wonder to yourself is this how women ought to be seen by men in general and the answer to that is no, of course not

The only rock station I listen to anymore -- when I do listen to the radio, that is -- is 94.5 WXKR, which is Toledo's classic rock station.:music: :rock:

I don't even "get" yesterdays music, nevermind today's music. :lol: I'll listen to pretty much anything that came out in the '60's and '70's and a lot of '50's and some '80's music but that's it.

I can't stand today's music either. I'm not sure what you would consider to tbe the limit for "at th age" listeners, but I definitely don't listen-LOL

I listen to mostly oldies myself. Here in Michigan, there are 3 different oldies stations in my area, so how could I not listen to them constantly? I would definitely take Aretha Franklin over today's music anyday-LOL

Basically I like anything from about 1930 to 1963....after that, I loved the Beatles and when they ended, so did my interest in "modern" music....with the strange exception of Japanese girl-punk bands ( The Osaka sound )

All of these statements that all new music is bad makes me cry. :crying: There is plenty of great new music, most of it just isn't mainstream.

All of these statements that all new music is bad makes me cry. :crying: There is plenty of great new music, most of it just isn't mainstream.
Well, i believe everyone IS talking about the mainstream music here

Well, i believe everyone IS talking about the mainstream music here
I know I am. Not only is MOST mainstream music mediocre - everything is all about image, and as several other people mentioned, sex sells. It's terrible that today's kids have such rotten role models. :mad:

All of these statements that all new music is bad makes me cry. :crying: There is plenty of great new music, most of it just isn't mainstream.

And having spent a year at a college radio station, I'm not that fond of the non-mainstream stuff myself either. It's not that great either, it's just a different kind of bad. The mainstream stuff is just offensive, while the non-mainstream stuff by and large just clashes with my musical tastes. (In the wrong hands, the electric guitar is one of the most offensive instruments around, IMO)

Funny story: Ever hear the song Fergalicious? (And I'm being VERY nice in calling THAT a song). Anyway, there was a song by an indie group that was in our rotation at the college station. And despite the music director's pained insistence otherwise, anyone with an IQ over three could tell that the song was more or less identical in all but the actual lyrics. Every time that song played we must have gotten at least a half-dozen to dozen (depending on time of day) calls asking why we were playing "that Fergie crap". I eventually got to the point where I openly refused to play the song during my shift (such grandstanding being perfectly OK for a college station relying on volunteers - but don't try this at home folks) and would play something *I* liked whenever the other song was due up.

As far as slump in record sales, you can thank illegal downloaders, not the quality of music.
I wouldn't listen to most of today's "music" even if it came with free beer and a table dance.

my younger sister prefers music which is sung, as opposed to people rapping because she cannot stand it. well, that's her anyway. as i mentioned i like all genres of music but i do not like today's era of music. the 00s was probably when music went downhill and thus in 2007, it hasn't improved one bit

I wouldn't listen to most of today's "music" even if it came with free beer and a table dance.
:lol: :rofl:

i think people tend to think of 2000s music and automatically think "zomg rap!" which isn't true. yeah, there's a lot of rap, but to be honest, pure RAP (as in no singing, just rapping) is actually kind of fizzling out and isn't as popular as it was in the earlier part of this decade. R&B is big now, not rap, and edgy pop (or pop/rock) is really big now. there's still some rap but not as much as there was even as little as 4 years ago. there's a LOT of really, really good mainstream music today, and i'd bet most of you don't even listen to mainstream radio enough to even know half the songs that are big now.

of course there's a lot of ******** songs, but the 60s/70s had their fair share of ******** songs that made no sense as well. the 70s especially liked to have pothead rockers sing songs while they were high that made zero sense.

As far as I know, people back then complained about music, like what my parents used to listen to, according to my dad, his parents hated the music he listened to like The Mamas and the Papas and The Grateful Dead. And he grew up in the '60's and '70's.

:nod: of course teens/college age kids are going to be mainly the people who like mainstream music, considering it's GEARED at them. it's been that way forever.

People always have said this. The older generation will always prefer music that was big in their day, and think it's of better ''quality''. Heck, even some people closer in my age range feel music from the past is better than today's, but that's just a matter of taste. I used to feel the same way, because I LOVED music from the 50s, 60s and 70s, and I never even gave a chance to current music, but I sure bad mouthed it. However, I love it now. I think people who blab on about how today's music is such garbage are just being close minded. There is alot of great music from talented artists out today that you're never gonna hear because you wanna sit on a high horse and preach about how your taste is better than everyone elses, which is ignorant. I can say this because I was once exactly like that myself, but I've broke away from that and I'm extremely open minded when it comes to music, and listen to practically everything.

People always have said this. The older generation will always prefer music that was big in their day, and think it's of better ''quality''. Heck, even some people closer in my age range feel music from the past is better than today's, but that's just a matter of taste. I used to feel the same way, because I LOVED music from the 50s, 60s and 70s, and I never even gave a chance to current music, but I sure bad mouthed it. However, I love it now. I think people who blab on about how today's music is such garbage are just being close minded. There is alot of great music from talented artists out today that you're never gonna hear because you wanna sit on a high horse and preach about how your taste is better than everyone elses, which is ignorant. I can say this because I was once exactly like that myself, but I've broke away from that and I'm extremely open minded when it comes to music, and listen to practically everything.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You and Joe's posts are the best posts on this thread! The people who bitch about 'today's' music being trash are the ones who haven't heard EVERY song played on mainstream radio, they just base their closed minded opnions on a few people like Britney Spears, Beyonce, and 50 Cent.:rolleyes: Like they reprensent ALL artists on today.

Trust me, music in the 1950's through the 1970's wasn't Beethoven either! Come on, songs about disco ducks, it's my party and I cry when I want to, and going to hop?:rolleyes:

Music back then is NO DIFFERENT then music of today, just music videos, and even then, you can't judge a song based on a video!

I wouldn't listen to most of today's "music" even if it came with free beer and a table dance.

:confused:

What's your point? My grandparents said the same thing about what my parents were listening to back in the '60's and '70's.

And why was this adressed to me? All I did was correct wrong infomation as why record sales are slumping, it's ILLEGAL downloaders, NOT the quality of music NOR the opinion of closed minded people who haven't gave all music a chance and just based their opinion on a FEW singers and a music video.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You and Joe's posts are the best posts on this thread! The people who bitch about 'today's' music being trash are the ones who haven't heard EVERY song played on mainstream radio, they just base their closed minded opnions on a few people like Britney Spears, Beyonce, and 50 Cent.:rolleyes: Like they reprensent ALL artists on today.

Trust me, music in the 1950's through the 1970's was Beethoven either! Come on, songs about disco ducks, it's my party and I cry when I want to, and going to hop?:rolleyes:

Music back then is NO DIFFERENT then music of today, just music videos, and even then, you can't judge a song based on a video!
Thank you. :) You are exactly right. It's extremely ignorant to base your opinion on ALL of today's music on a couple of artists you aren't fond of. There is so much talent out there today, you just have to try and discover it. Not all older music is extremely deep and amazing, either, like you said. People just choose to be close minded about it and point out the negatives, like Britney Spears and those that aren't really talented singers with great lyrical content and act like that's all today's mainstream music has to offer.

And having spent a year at a college radio station, I'm not that fond of the non-mainstream stuff myself either. It's not that great either, it's just a different kind of bad. The mainstream stuff is just offensive, while the non-mainstream stuff by and large just clashes with my musical tastes. (In the wrong hands, the electric guitar is one of the most offensive instruments around, IMO)

I understand what you're saying. There are a lot of 'indie' bands out there that are both crappy and/or completely boring.

I'm just a loser and have had excess amounts of time to sift through the garbage and find some legitimately great non-mainstream music. *coughokkervilriver*

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You and Joe's posts are the best posts on this thread! The people who bitch about 'today's' music being trash are the ones who haven't heard EVERY song played on mainstream radio, they just base their closed minded opnions on a few people like Britney Spears, Beyonce, and 50 Cent. Like they reprensent ALL artists on today.

Trust me, music in the 1950's through the 1970's wasn't Beethoven either! Come on, songs about disco ducks, it's my party and I cry when I want to, and going to hop?

Music back then is NO DIFFERENT then music of today, just music videos, and even then, you can't judge a song based on a video!
Thank you. You are exactly right. It's extremely ignorant to base your opinion on ALL of today's music on a couple of artists you aren't fond of. There is so much talent out there today, you just have to try and discover it. Not all older music is extremely deep and amazing, either, like you said. People just choose to be close minded about it and point out the negatives, like Britney Spears and those that aren't really talented singers with great lyrical content and act like that's all today's mainstream music has to offer.

:nod: these posts are 100% how i feel on this situation. it just really ticks me off how people are so close-minded about music sometimes and feel the need to bash today's music whenever they can. i used to be pretty close-minded about music too, i used to hate anything rap and hip hop just because it was rap and hip hop, but i actually like a lot of it now. (i'm still not the biggest rap fan but i do like R&B stuff). even still, if you don't like rap, that hardly removes all chances of your enjoyment in today's music.

Thank you. :) You are exactly right. It's extremely ignorant to base your opinion on ALL of today's music on a couple of artists you aren't fond of. There is so much talent out there today, you just have to try and discover it. Not all older music is extremely deep and amazing, either, like you said. People just choose to be close minded about it and point out the negatives, like Britney Spears and those that aren't really talented singers with great lyrical content and act like that's all today's mainstream music has to offer.

It's amazing how quickly the older generation forgot about their parents or anyone else older "dissing" their music. When my dad was growing up in the '60's and '70's, his parents hated his music, he was listening to these so called legendary perfomers like The Mamas and the Papas and Janis Joplin(I love Janis!!) and said that wasn't (gasp!) quality music and it was full of s**t.

9 times out of 10, the older generation based their dislike for today's music based on a few acts. My father did that to us when we were listening to Pearl Jam, Prince(my dad hated Prince!), Hole, and techno music. They also based it on music videos:lol: . I keep telling people you can't based a SONG on a music video for christ sakes! Fergie, Britney, and 50 Cent, don't rep all of these artists today. They need to expand their horizons, they are some really cool artists on there like Justin Timberlake(who could sing circles around Donny Osmond!!), Pink, Tegan and Sara, Lily Allen, and Justice.

:nod: these posts are 100% how i feel on this situation. it just really ticks me off how people are so close-minded about music and feel the need to bash today's music whenever they can.

You wouldn't believe the shock I got when one year, I was going through my dad's record collection. I couldn't believe my ears! All this time he bragged about the good old days of music and I was listening to the most insane music i've ever heard! I told him, "So this is the golden age YOU were talking about?"

My uncle kept his old records and oh my.....these artists back then was talking about the same "nonsense" that artists today are talking about!

It's silly how people judge the "slump" of record sales on the "quality" of music, when in fact, thanks to today's technology, there are many ways to get music without going to the store and buying it like illegal downloading and iTunes where you can buy songs for only 99 cents.

It's amazing how quickly the older generation forgot about their parents or anyone else older "dissing" their music. When my dad was growing up in the '60's and '70's, his parents hated his music, he was listening to these so called legendary perfomers like The Mamas and the Papas and Janis Joplin(I love Janis!!) and said that wasn't (gasp!) quality music and it was full of s**t.

9 times out of 10, the older generation based their dislike for today's music based on a few acts. My father did that to us when we were listening to Pearl Jam, Prince(my dad hated Prince!), Hole, and techno music. They also based it on music videos:lol: . I keep telling people you can't based a SONG on a music video for christ sakes! Fergie, Britney, and 50 Cent, don't rep all of these artists today. They need to expand their horizons, they are some really cool artists on there like Justin Timberlake(who could sing circles around Donny Osmond!!), Pink, Tegan and Sara, Lily Allen, and Justice.
LOL I know, really. It's not anything new. And just like you said, those same artists that were being badmouthed are now viewed as legendary.

:nod: I agree 100%. Jason Mraz, Ne-Yo and Christina Aguilera are also all extremely talented artists, IMO. Just to name a few more.

LOL I know, really. It's not anything new. And just like you said, those same artists that were being badmouthed are now viewed as legendary.

:nod: I agree 100%. Jason Mraz, Ne-Yo and Christina Aguilera are also all extremely talented artists, IMO. Just to name a few more.

Ms. Aguilera is ten times as talented as most of the female singers from back in the day like Lesley Gore, Diana Ross, and Cass Elliot. All three ladies had mediocre voices while Christina is top notch!

Ms. Aguilera is ten times as talented as most of the female singers from back in the day like Lesley Gore, Diana Ross, and Cass Elliot. All three ladies had mediocre voices while Christina is top notch!
:nod: She is.

Ms. Aguilera is ten times as talented as most of the female singers from back in the day like Lesley Gore, Diana Ross, and Cass Elliot. All three ladies had mediocre voices while Christina is top notch!
I cant believe my eyes now.

You wouldn't believe the shock I got when one year, I was going through my dad's record collection. I couldn't believe my ears! All this time he bragged about the good old days of music and I was listening to the most insane music i've ever heard! I told him, "So this is the golden age YOU were talking about?"

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LOL WTF? I LOVE 60s music. I love music form the 50s- now. I like music from any decade basically. Especially The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Weezer. El Scorcho by the latter is probably the best song ever made, but that doesnt chnage my love for older music, new music's great too, but still ,Id go through your dad's collection and find 395832-590840584509459084 songs I love, and a lto form today too.

And come on you cnat tell me the Freddie is the best dance youve ever heard of

Come opn do it with me. Im telling you noooooooowwwwwwwww

But think about it, if not for yesterday's music, today's music wouldnt exist?

If you really listen to stuff from the 50s-now youll find a lot of today's stuff is sort of inspired by that.



Im not a big Justin Timberlake fan one bit, his music that is, but when he's on SNL and stuff, I liked Dick in a Box, loved it. And at the VMAs when he challenged MTV to more videos I was like "Hear hear!". I swear everytime I try to hate him its the opposite.

There are still some great acts out there; unfortunately, one just has to seek them out, as they're buried under what's manufactured by the powers that be. I look forward to new releases by Pearl Jam, Weezer, The White Stripes and Dave Matthews Band (even though these are all established artists that have been on the scene 8+ years), as well as "old guys" like Paul McCartney and Brian Wilson.

Most the current music I like, though, comes from the Christian scene. David Crowder*Band is doing more interesting and experimental stuff than a lot of mainstream artists.

LOL WTF? I LOVE 60s music. I love music form the 50s- now. I like music from any decade basically. Especially The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Weezer. El Scorcho by the latter is probably the best song ever made, but that doesnt chnage my love for older music, new music's great too, but still ,Id go through your dad's collection and find 395832-590840584509459084 songs I love, and a lto form today too.

And come on you cnat tell me the Freddie is the best dance youve ever heard of

Come opn do it with me. Im telling you noooooooowwwwwwwww


:confused: :lol:

Riiiiighttttt!!!!!!! The freddie!:lol: Please..stop! I'm in cornball city!! Please, the 'prep' (for you old heads, it was a dance in the eighties:lol: ) is ten times better than the 'freddie'.

I'm REALLY tired of people on here bitching about EVERYTHING pop culture of today. People need to give it a rest and stop acting like the '50's and '60's were 'golden' years.

I cant believe my eyes now.

LMAO! SO you mean to tell me that LESLEY GORE and CASS ELLIOT can sing better than Christina?!!!!! I think you need to get your ears check!

LMAO! SO you mean to tell me that LESLEY GORE and CASS ELLIOT can sing better than Christina?!!!!! I think you need to get your ears check!
OK, no, but truth is Im not a fan of any oft hose popstars

People need to give it a rest and stop acting like the '50's and '60's were 'golden' years.

Why do people need to stop acting that way? While I don't necessarily agree with that particular sentiment regarding musical eras, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. That people have differing musical opinions than I do really doesn't bother me (anymore).

:confused: :lol:

Riiiiighttttt!!!!!!! The freddie!:lol: Please..stop! I'm in cornball city!! Please, the 'prep' (for you old heads, it was a dance in the eighties:lol: ) is ten times better than the 'freddie'.

I'm REALLY tired of people on here bitching about EVERYTHING pop culture of today. People need to give it a rest and stop acting like the '50's and '60's were 'golden' years.
LOL ok ok I guess it is, Im not bitching about it. OK so I like everything from any decade,

LMAO! SO you mean to tell me that LESLEY GORE and CASS ELLIOT can sing better than Christina?!!!!! I think you need to get your ears check!
Well, what about Doris Day, Connie Francis, Gayle Caldwell (of the New Christy Minstrels), Jo Stafford, Patti Page, Gale Storm, Kate Smith, Julie London, Eydie Gorme, Ella Fitzgerald, Brenda Lee, Judy Garland, Joanie Summers, Dinah Shore, Sarah Vaughan, Julie Andrews, Skeeter Davis, Anita Bryant, Joan Weber, Kay Starr, Gogi Grant, Little Peggy March, and Dinah Washington? :D

People need to give it a rest and stop acting like the '50's and '60's were 'golden' years.
They were... http://www.doo-wop.org/
;)

LMAO! SO you mean to tell me that LESLEY GORE and CASS ELLIOT can sing better than Christina?!!!!! I think you need to get your ears check!
Both Christina and Timi Yuro recorded a song called "Hurt."

Here is Christina's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbcltLf2VHo

And here is the far superior (IMO) 1961 song by Timi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPy-Memj0vE

there is good stuff from every genre and era, and there is crap from every genre and era. There have been at least 10 albums I loved this year, but yet only one or two of them will sell over 1 million in the US. I look at the Billboard singles chart and most of what I see doesn't appeal to me, yes, there is the occasional Maroon 5 and Rihanna that I enjoy, but however, I try to look past what's on the chart and try to find what would appeal to me, and there's a lot of stuff out there that does that. I don't think age has anything to do with it but rather what you're into. I have a friend who is 39 and all about Scissor Sisters and K.T. Tunstall, that's up his alley. As I've aged, I've developed a stronger appreciation for music from before my time besides the typical Beatles types that people of all ages love, but I also continue to live in the now as well.

Today's music doesn't "suck", it's very good actually, it's just that most of today's Top 40 music isn't that good. Pick out what you like for yourself, who cares if radio doesn't deem it worthy of airplay. Right now I am in love with Annie Lennox's "Songs Of Mass Destruction", her last huge hit single was 11 or 12 years back, but who cares... the album is fantastic and she's in top form. Even with "top 40", in the past year I loved Justin, Nelly Furtado, Beyonce (I wasn't a fan of her first solo album, but B. Day and Dreamgirls converted me), Maroon 5 and Rihanna's (she is fluff, but irresistable fluff, she's releasing the type of album we NEED from Janet, but won't get) albums, and I'm almost 28.

IMO, about 80% of '50s/'60s music was good; and about 80% (or more) of modern music isn't good.
But it depends how "good" is defined. What passes as a "good" voice today would never make it back in the '50s/early '60s.

YEA I don't even know if we could call what we have today music. Music back in the day sent a message and just told it like it was! Guys like Jimi Hendrix and Tupac were real. They sent a message on what they were going through and how thier lives were affected by world events! TODAYS MUSIC IS A PIECE OF SH*t

There is good and bad music in EVERY era, for every Amy Winehouse, there's Paris Hilton or Britney Spears and for every Ella James, there's Lesley Gore who really isn't that much of a singer. Let's not bash all of today's music... the superior singers of today are...

Amy Winehouse
Christina Aguriela
Beyonce
Maroon 5
Rihanna
Lily Allen
Fantasia
Ciara
Tegan and Sara
Joss Stone(who is to me a poor man's version of Ella Fitzgerald and Ella James but she still is good)
Jessica Simpson(on a good day)
Justin Timberlake(who my uncle's generation calls a poor man's version of Michael Jackson)
Chris Brown(can out dance anyone except for my girl Janet and The Nicholas brothers)

Check them out, because not everyone today sounds as painful as Britney and Ashanti. Please don't judge modern music based on these wack behind rappers and pop tarts like Britney

The golden age of music to me isn't the 1950's, it's the sounds of the 1930's and 1940's, there was so many wonderful singers, especially in blues.

YEA I don't even know if we could call what we have today music. Music back in the day sent a message and just told it like it was! Guys like Jimi Hendrix and Tupac were real. They sent a message on what they were going through and how thier lives were affected by world events! TODAYS MUSIC IS A PIECE OF SH*t

Tupac is the man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is NO ONE out there like Tupac, never was never been. The problem was people focused too much on his troubles. Can you believe some of these rappers trying to claim themselves as the next Tupac?:lol: . Uh no.....

I loved the music of the late eighties and nineties(except for the last two years of the decade), you had Tupac, Biggie, Snoop, Dr. Dre, Nirvana, Nine Inch Nails, my girls Janet, Whitney, and Mariah, Celine Dion(don't shoot me, some people might think she's corny as hell, but she can blow), Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, and so many others, now that is music right there!

IMO, about 80% of '50s/'60s music was good; and about 80% (or more) of modern music isn't good.
But it depends how "good" is defined. What passes as a "good" voice today would never make it back in the '50s/early '60s.
I don't disagree with you that 80% of what's on the chart isn't very good, but there is so much diversity in music now that even if you don't like what is being played on the radio, there's something out there for ya. You just gotta turn the radio off and look harder than in past years. I want to say that I am not an "indie rock snob". IMO, a lot of that music is pretentious and honestly no better than the Britney/Avril crap that it's supposed to be the antithesis to, I just mean in general. There is something for everyone nowadays musically, you just gotta find what you like.

Some of the modern music is crap like Britney, Avril(the fakest rocker ever!), and some of the rap. But what I don't believe is that how can Kelly Osbourne and Paris Hilton can get record deals?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek: Kelly and Paris can't get even CLOSE to a mike back in the day.

But like a few said, there are good singers today, but I wouldn't count Lily Allen and Rihanna as 'good'. Unique, but not good!

Some of the modern music is crap like Britney, Avril(the fakest rocker ever!), and some of the rap. But what I don't believe is that how can Kelly Osbourne and Paris Hilton can get record deals?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek: Kelly and Paris can't get even CLOSE to a mike back in the day.

But like a few said, there are good singers today, but I wouldn't count Lily Allen and Rihanna as 'good'. Unique, but not good!
Rihanna is not a memorable artist and she won't be around in 5, 10 years, but for what she is, she's decent. Songs like S.O.S., Umbrella, Don't Stop The Music, Unfaithful, etc... are some of the best pop/r&b songs in years and she's appealing to a lot of people who don't care for r&b/hip hop. She's releasing the songs that Janet should be putting out but won't because of her troll boyfriend who has stated in interviews that he doesn't want her appealing to a white pop audience anymore (yea, we saw what a big hit her last album was as a result, didn't we?). She's not a great singer but she is definately delivering for the time being, but I don't think she has what it takes to still be around in 5 or 10 years.

Rihanna is not a memorable artist and she won't be around in 5, 10 years, but for what she is, she's decent. Songs like S.O.S., Umbrella, Don't Stop The Music, Unfaithful, etc... are some of the best pop/r&b songs in years and she's appealing to a lot of people who don't care for r&b/hip hop. She's releasing the songs that Janet should be putting out but won't because of her troll boyfriend who has stated in interviews that he doesn't want her appealing to a white pop audience anymore (yea, we saw what a big hit her last album was as a result, didn't we?). She's not a great singer but she is definately delivering for the time being, but I don't think she has what it takes to still be around in 5 or 10 years.

I don't think Rihanna is going to last either, like Ashanti and Ciara and Brandy, the novelty of a 'black pop tart' girl is going to wear off, she doesn't have the chops like powerhouse Beyonce. I also think Lily Allen nor Amy Winehouse is going to make it in seven years, Lily will be singing in local pubs where she belongs and Amy is going to end up dead.

Jermaine Dupri said that?! Wow, Janet is a grown woman who can make her own decisions and I wish that she shouldn't listen to Durpi, I mean when was the last time his artists had a hit? No wonder Bow Wow broke away from him!

Jermaine Dupri said that?! Wow, Janet is a grown woman who can make her own decisions and I wish that she shouldn't listen to Durpi, I mean when was the last time his artists had a hit? No wonder Bow Wow broke away from him!

yep, I'll find the article sometime when I look for it (it was posted on another forum I go to around the time of it's release). JD was talking about the direction the 20 Y.O. album would be in, and said "there's not going to be anything like Escapade, All For You or Together Again on this album because songs like that draw in a white pop audience, and that's not where Janet should be". What a freaking racist, it must sting him to see Timbaland scoring so well producing Nelly Furtado and Justin Timberlake and even working with Madonna, Duran Duran and Bjork. :lol: :lol:

yep, I'll find the article sometime when I look for it (it was posted on another forum I go to around the time of it's release). JD was talking about the direction the 20 Y.O. album would be in, and said "there's not going to be anything like Escapade, All For You or Together Again on this album because songs like that draw in a white pop audience, and that's not where Janet should be". What a freaking racist, it must sting him to see Timbaland scoring so well producing Nelly Furtado and Justin Timberlake and even working with Madonna, Duran Duran and Bjork. :lol: :lol:

It really must kill him because sorry to say, pop artists is where the real money is and unless you are Whitney, Mariah, Tina, and Beyonce, R&B artists don't sell as well. Janet should of had her dream team to work on her last album.

Timberland is the hottest producer out there right now. He did a terrific job with Missy and the late Aaliyah's albums.

I find most of today's mainstream to be "tepid at best" I work as a DJ and hear these songs quite often. But that's just my opinion! I'm sure that many people think 00's is the "holy grail" of creativity in music.

There is good music from every decade and disposible music from every decade. I personally love the 60s, 70s & early 80s. It's the music I identify with- probably because I grew up with it.

It all went downhill for a while until grunge kicked in. Grunge was the kick in the arse that music needed at the time.

But even grunge got stale after a while.

I just wonder which post 1995 bands will still be heard of 20-30 years from now. I'm not trying to be a wise-a**. It's a legitimate question.

I don't disagree with you that 80% of what's on the chart isn't very good, but there is so much diversity in music now that even if you don't like what is being played on the radio, there's something out there for ya. You just gotta turn the radio off and look harder than in past years. I want to say that I am not an "indie rock snob". IMO, a lot of that music is pretentious and honestly no better than the Britney/Avril crap that it's supposed to be the antithesis to, I just mean in general. There is something for everyone nowadays musically, you just gotta find what you like.
Sad that you have to dig that deep just to find something decent.
I'll save myself the trouble and just continue to listen to '50s-'70s music.

I havent "gotten" most of the "new music" since about 1973!!! :lol:
^nice.


Yeah... while all my friends are listening to Justin Timberlake and whoever else... I'm tuning in to the local AM oldies station for some REAL music (The Mamas and the Papaps, Beatles, CCR, Elvis, The Doors...)

Really though, the onlly modern music I listen to is Country (so once again I'm in the outcasts) and alot of what's popular is just cross over junk like Carrie Underwood and the Wreckers....

grr...

Ms. Aguilera is ten times as talented as most of the female singers from back in the day like Lesley Gore, Diana Ross, and Cass Elliot. All three ladies had mediocre voices while Christina is top notch!


I'm afraid I couldn't disagree more.:nonono:

NO ONE can top Cass Elliot's voice.
and Lesley Gore and Diana Ross were amazing to!

But you know, everyone's entitled to their opinion... afteral, you've got to make your own kind of music!;)

I don't think Rihanna is going to last either, like Ashanti and Ciara and Brandy, the novelty of a 'black pop tart' girl is going to wear off, she doesn't have the chops like powerhouse Beyonce. I also think Lily Allen nor Amy Winehouse is going to make it in seven years, Lily will be singing in local pubs where she belongs and Amy is going to end up dead.

Jermaine Dupri said that?! Wow, Janet is a grown woman who can make her own decisions and I wish that she shouldn't listen to Durpi, I mean when was the last time his artists had a hit? No wonder Bow Wow broke away from him!
Brandy hasnt had a huge hit in a while. However Brandy is very talented and can sing well imo, I hope she has a comeback...her very first cd was such a classic, and I loved Never Say Never in elementary too. Afrodisiac was actually a good album, but it didnt get much promotion. I agree that Beyonce will be around for a very long time.

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Yeah... while all my friends are listening to Justin Timberlake and whoever else... I'm tuning in to the local AM oldies station for some REAL music (The Mamas and the Papaps, Beatles, CCR, Elvis, The Doors...)

why do people feel like they have to be fragmented into liking one genre/era of music and nothing more? Screw that, I like the groups you mentioned and current acts. You can love the music from 30+ years ago and also live in the now musically. It's called diversity. I love Elvis, The Beatles and Mamas And The Papas (I always found The Doors pretentious) and also think "FutureSex/LoveSounds" is one of the best mainstream pop albums of the past two years.

All I can say, what people think about rap being crap and how hip hop is terrible, is exactly how people felt about Rock and Roll 50+ years ago; there is some good music out there from; actually, there are a lot of good, up-coming LA based bands, that have promising futures, and they are not of the Hip Hop or Rap genre, but Rock and Roll.:)
Can't compare because Rock 'n' Roll of 50+ years ago is far, far different than what is popular now. It would really be wishful thinking that modern music will ever be in the same category as these "mean 'ol" Rock 'n' Roll songs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqWWaQFkwA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeOvvQ_tPpQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYDSFKLu-TA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfBTw8qqM2U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdMEx609X_8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBTITHA8twI

I don't know if I mentioned this, but the problem with today's music compared
to the earlier days of rock and roll is that it's the industry's fault: the music industry and mainstream radio is concerned with musicians that are "safe bets", they want artists who sell pretty much and once certain artists show stronger showings on the playback lists, then they'll concentrate on pushing artists who have a similar sound, and therefore, they'll be commercially succesful. Case in point: Nickelback and its bastard hellspawn. Ever notice that once Nickelback replaced Creed as the quasi-alternative lite/post-grunge
mainstream band of choice that EVERY OTHER BAND with that raspy Eddie Vedder/Layne Staley wistful voice, bittersweet, self-pitying lyrics, and drone-y-yet-melodic guitar riffs has glutted the airwaves? Smile Empty Soul, Breaking Benjamin, Shinedown, Three Days Grace, Theory Of a Dead Man, and countless others come to mind. Oh gosh, there's that puke-y Sixx A.M. with Motley Crue bassist Nikki Sixx and his whiney, sappy song about life being beautiful and not crying at his funeral, etc. puke:


I'm listening to a song by Steve Vai on KNAC.com radio, you don't get more different than his music. This song is very Zappa-esque, as he was playing with Frank Zappa in the early 80's.

Can't compare because Rock 'n' Roll of 50+ years ago is far, far different than what is popular now. It would really be wishful thinking that modern music will ever be in the same category as these "mean 'ol" Rock 'n' Roll songs...

You cannot say what will and what will not be played 50 years from now. Every generation has music they consider classic. So to you, music from the 60s is classic and timeless because you're older and can relate to it and it brings back memories. To someone my age a Beyonce song may be timeless and a classic, and when we hear it 30 years from now, it will still be considered a classic because it was a classic for my generation.

I think that what most people don't take into account is that popular (or mainstream or top 40) music is aimed at young people. Once a person turns 25 or so they are no longer considered part of the target audiance of popular music. So, no I don't "get" todays music, but since I'm 31 I'm really not supposed to.

You cannot say what will and what will not be played 50 years from now. Every generation has music they consider classic. So to you, music from the 60s is classic and timeless because you're older and can relate to it and it brings back memories. To someone my age a Beyonce song may be timeless and a classic, and when we hear it 30 years from now, it will still be considered a classic because it was a classic for my generation.
That's true, but on an absolute scale, not taking age into consideration, modern music cannot touch the classics.
There are loads of comments (and many from people under 25 years old) on youtube for a '50s or '60s song saying things like "why can't modern music sound like this?" or "that was back when real music was made." But I've seen very, very few comments saying something like "modern music is the best ever" or "why can't the classics sound like today's music?"

One of my brothers introduced my niece to Eagles music. Now she is a big fan of theirs (she also likes the Beatles to a lesser degree). I don't think she even listens to current music (she is 14 years old). I think that in many (not all) cases if someone under 20 years old is exposed to '50s-'70s music, most of the time they will prefer it to modern music. All I can say is I can't blame them!

I've done a calculation on when rock and roll reached a midpoint, when things reached a certain peak level before going downhill, or perhaps improving, depending on your point of view. Rock and roll has technically been in existence since about 1955, so I subtract 1955 from 2007:

2007
- 1955

= 52

So rock and roll has roughly been around for 52 years, that's a little over half a century. Divide that in half: 26

1955 + 26 = 1981.

Okay, so rock and roll's midpoint hit about 1981, and what big musical event happened in 1981?

MTV.

And there we go, the day of the music star selling huge hits based more on how cool and cute they looked, their ability to pantomime and, uhhh, lipsync on cue. Duran Duran, the Thompson Twins, A Flock Of Seagulls. THE PEAK OF ROCK AND ROLL!!! Big hair = big hits!!! :rock:

I've done a calculation on when rock and roll reached a midpoint, when things reached a certain peak level before going downhill, or perhaps improving, depending on your point of view. Rock and roll has technically been in existence since about 1955, so I subtract 1955 from 2007:

2007
- 1955

= 52

So rock and roll has roughly been around for 52 years, that's a little over half a century. Divide that in half: 26

1955 + 26 = 1981.

Okay, so rock and roll's midpoint hit about 1981, and what big musical event happened in 1981?

MTV.

And there we go, the day of the music star selling huge hits based more on how cool and cute they looked, their ability to pantomime and, uhhh, lipsync on cue. Duran Duran, the Thompson Twins, A Flock Of Seagulls. THE PEAK OF ROCK AND ROLL!!! Big hair = big hits!!! :rock:
That is a coincidence!
I just happened to stop listening to top 40 music in 1981 (I went "all oldies" in March of that year) because there was less and less songs I liked in the top 40. Actually, for me personally, the downhill slide began in 1979... I liked a lot more songs from 1978 than I did from 1979. '79 was kind of a disappointment for me muscially and that's the year I graduated!

That's true, but on an absolute scale, not taking age into consideration, modern music cannot touch the classics.
There are loads of comments (and many from people under 25 years old) on youtube for a '50s or '60s song saying things like "why can't modern music sound like this?" or "that was back when real music was made." But I've seen very, very few comments saying something like "modern music is the best ever" or "why can't the classics sound like today's music?"

One of my brothers introduced my niece to Eagles music. Now she is a big fan of theirs (she also likes the Beatles to a lesser degree). I don't think she even listens to current music (she is 14 years old). I think that in many (not all) cases if someone under 20 years old is exposed to '50s-'70s music, most of the time they will prefer it to modern music. All I can say is I can't blame them!
That is your opinion that yesterday's music is untouchable to today's music. I don't know if people under 25 who leave comments like "why can't today's music be like this" mean thats what the majority thinks or that music was better then. I'm sure there were young people who did not like rock n roll in the 1950s and liked their parents music or agreed with their parents that that type of music was garbage. I like hip hop and I also like classical music. I would never compare Beethoven to Beyonce, but both will be remembered a long time from now imo.

That is your opinion that yesterday's music is untouchable to today's music. I don't know if people under 25 who leave comments like "why can't today's music be like this" mean thats what the majority thinks or that music was better then. I'm sure there were young people who did not like rock n roll in the 1950s and liked their parents music or agreed with their parents that that type of music was garbage. I like hip hop and I also like classical music. I would never compare Beethoven to Beyonce, but both will be remembered a long time from now imo.
I agree there, I don't listen to music with a "well, this artist will never accomplish what Elvis or The Beatles did" because it's pointless to compare an established legend and icon from 40-50 years ago with someone who is doing their thing now. You can't define artists in terms of someone else.

That is your opinion that yesterday's music is untouchable to today's music. I don't know if people under 25 who leave comments like "why can't today's music be like this" mean thats what the majority thinks or that music was better then.

It's quite obvious what they mean... they like the older music much more than modern music.

I'm sure there were young people who did not like rock n roll in the 1950s and liked their parents music or agreed with their parents that that type of music was garbage. I like hip hop and I also like classical music. I would never compare Beethoven to Beyonce, but both will be remembered a long time from now imo

Again, the 1950s songs had a melody... you know, actual music. And a lot of the 1950s bands had excellent harmonizing... The Flamingos, The Platters, The Harptones, Lee Andrews & The Hearts, The Everly Brothers, etc. Try finding harmonies like that today!
A lot of music will be remembered a long time from now- but some of it will be remembered as bad music. ;)

That is your opinion that yesterday's music is untouchable to today's music. I don't know if people under 25 who leave comments like "why can't today's music be like this" mean thats what the majority thinks or that music was better then. I'm sure there were young people who did not like rock n roll in the 1950s and liked their parents music or agreed with their parents that that type of music was garbage. I like hip hop and I also like classical music. I would never compare Beethoven to Beyonce, but both will be remembered a long time from now imo.
Here are some of the comments I was referring to:

Song: Johnny Angel (Shelly Fabares, 1962)
"It's her facial expressions that do it for me. It reveals a grace and passion that you rarely see anymore. Alas, I truly miss an era of innocence I never knew."

"I'm 24 and love these type of songs. They have a good mood about them. Timeless."

Song: Hey Paula (Paul and Paula, 1963)
"I'm only 14 and I love this song. My 9-year-old sister and I always take turns singing this song. I love it!"

Song: Smoke Gets In Your Eyes (The Platters, 1958)
"This song has got to be my favorite song of the '50s. I am completely mesmerized by this song in every way, shape and form. Such a shame that the generation of my day (present) can't come up with anything interesting. I'm only 19 but I'd rather listen to this than listen to the constant, annoying drivel which constitutes today's music."

"Haha, I definitely agree. I'm only 20 years old, too."

"That's when blacks could harmonize, not this Hip Hop c--- they have today."

"Why can't they make music like this anymore?"

"Forget Rap, mostly cheap and untalented music... not like this."

"Why don't groups sing like this now? They sing all around the melody and it's not even music anymore."

"We went from this to Hip Hop and Rap. I loved the Platters. Bring back music where you could hum along with it. Also, their pants weren't down around their knees and their underwear hanging out."

"You are so right. Black music has gone to h---. What happened to sophisticated black music like [Duke] Ellington, [Count] Basie and Ella [Fitzgerald]? Today's black music seems to me to be about foul language and guns. Such a shame."

"Gee performers had to have talent, music to have a tune and meaningful words then. How strange... and how much I miss it!"

"I wish when I pull into a gas station or a 7/11, this black music was blaring from the cars in the lot. This is real music. Real class."

Song: You Send Me (Sam Cooke, 1957)
"History repeats itself. More and more younger people are starting to listen to old '60s and '70s music. You know why, because they are too awesome."

"Love Cooke. Many people are listening to older music because today's music in all of our genres is pretty weak."

"You're so right. I'm only 21. I love oldies. Today's music doesn't compare."

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
And on and on it goes. That is just a small sample of the many comments I've read.

There are always going to be people who do not like new music. In every generation. Again, the opinion that music from a long time ago had stronger melodies = better music/will be remembered longer is still all just your opinion though.

There are always going to be people who do not like new music.

But go by the ratios. A lot more 18 year olds in the '50s liked the then-current music compared to 18 year olds today liking current music.

In every generation. Again, the opinion that music from a long time ago had stronger melodies = better music/will be remembered longer is still all just your opinion though

Oh, come on. It's SO obvious.
It's in music all over... top 40, TV commericals, radio commericals, etc. In the '50s, it was nice music usually with string instruments; now it's a lot of yelling and crashing and banging!

Show me a current song that sounds like "Moon River" (Henry Mancini, 1961) or "Theme From A Summer Place" (Percy Faith, 1960).

Show me a current song that sounds like "Moon River" (Henry Mancini, 1961) or "Theme From A Summer Place" (Percy Faith, 1960).
Here is "Theme From A Summer Place" to use as a reference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y6X2RF607M

My musical tastes fluctuate between that of a 14 year old girl and a 40 year old. It's not unusual to have my MP3 player swap between Mariah Carey and Robert Palmer or DMX and Supertramp.

I agree with you, Tony; but what I was trying to say is, that people whom dislike Rap or Hip Hop, because what is stands for, etc. is basically on the same level as what certain people initially thought of Rock and Roll; I, for one, pefer classic Rock and Roll from the 1950s over Rap or Hip Hop, but that is just my opinion...:)
Well, for me I dislike Rap and Hip Hop for two reasons... 1. As you said, for what it stands for and 2. because it sounds terrible! :D

Im 25 and i love alot the old music, theres like a good handful of bands and singers that i like in todays music, but that dosnt say that todays music sucks it means i need to open my mind more! ;)

But go by the ratios. A lot more 18 year olds in the '50s liked the then-current music compared to 18 year olds today liking current music.



Oh, come on. It's SO obvious.
It's in music all over... top 40, TV commericals, radio commericals, etc. In the '50s, it was nice music usually with string instruments; now it's a lot of yelling and crashing and banging!

Show me a current song that sounds like "Moon River" (Henry Mancini, 1961) or "Theme From A Summer Place" (Percy Faith, 1960).
You do not know whether or not music from today will be all over advertisments in 30 years. And you say a lot more 18 year olds dislike music of their generation compared to the 1950s based on what? Youtube comments?

You do not know whether or not music from today will be all over advertisments in 30 years.

If it is, it will be only for laughs. ;)

And you say a lot more 18 year olds dislike music of their generation compared to the 1950s based on what? Youtube comments?

From youtube but also from family and friends.

Why can't today's black groups sound like this?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7J2pj0UPQ8

And why can't today's black male singers sound like this?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0YA48AkPw

And why can't today's black female singers sound like this?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKO5PleuvGA

because that represents the majority of people...? lol ok

because that represents the majority of people...? lol ok
I don't know if there is any scientific poll out there, but considering I found all of those comments in a 15 minute search tells you something right there.

YEA I don't even know if we could call what we have today music. Music back in the day sent a message and just told it like it was! Guys like Jimi Hendrix and Tupac were real. They sent a message on what they were going through and how thier lives were affected by world events! TODAYS MUSIC IS A PIECE OF SH*t
Well, instead of those two guys, I would pick some who had truly excellent voices, like Ray Charles, Nat King Cole and Johnny Mathis.

I think sometimes people (this is a thing I dislike about American Idol especially) emphasize way too much on the voice and not enough about the songs. A great voice can get you far, but I think strong material is more important, and a mediocre vocalist can make a fantastic song magical. Celine Dion for instance has a phenomenal voice, but a lot of the songs she performs are filler crap. Yes, she can sing, but the songs aren't that great. Same goes for Babs, Mariah, Whitney, Aretha, Christina, etc.... great voices, but probably at least half of their songs are forgettable filler fluff. Compare this to someone like Bjork who doesn't have much of a voice, but she has her style and identity and every song she sings is uniquely her.

A good voice is good, but the material is more important than the voice IMO. That is something I dislike about Idol. It emphasizes vocal talent as the only talent there is, when I do think a lot of people would rather a mediocre voice with loads of songwriting talent/musicianship/etc... over some big voiced diva who sings whatever songs her record company gives her. Granted, there are exceptions to the rule like Annie Lennox who can sing AND write great songs, but it seems to be not very common, people like Whitney and Celine have never written any of their hits. I'd argue among MUSICIANS and SONGWRITERS and people who like their music to be more serious and artistic, that a Bjork or Alison Goldfrapp type who has an "ok" voice at best but writes all her material and produces has more respect than someone like Celine Dion who has a good voice but just takes the songs Sony offers her and works with the songs outside songwriters have written for her.