LOL- Well I guess Whoopi wanted to start her debut off with some CONTROVERSIAL statements as she defends Micahel Vick by saying-"where he comes from dog fighting is not really that unusual" and that-"it's like cockfighting in Puerto Rico"

I haven't see it yet and won;t until I get home but I saw this story on nydailynews.com


I guess when it comes to TV shows, it's all about what the ratings/number look like-lol

BOO!! :mad:

BOO!! :mad:


whoopi is trying to start off the season with some sh*T-lol

Has she been drinking out of Rosie's glass?

;)

Looks like Whoopi Cushion is as ugly on the inside as she is on the outside.

Ouch Janice! I guess where Vick comes from is a really cruel place. It is just downright evil to me.

NEWYORKDAILYNEWS.COM

Whoopi Goldberg defends Michael Vick's dogfighting in first day on 'The View'

So much for the sedate alternative to Rosie O'Donnell on "The View." Whoopi Goldberg used her first day on the daytime chat show Tuesday to defend football star Michael Vick in his dogfighting case.

Goldberg said that "from where he comes from" in the South, dogfighting isn't that unusual.

"It's like cockfighting in Puerto Rico," she said. "There are certain things that are indicative to certain parts of the country."

The Atlanta Falcons quarterback pleaded guilty to federal dogfighting charges last week, admitting that he provided money for a dogfighting ring that operated on his Virginia property and helped kill six or eight pit bulls. Vick grew up in Newport News, Va.

Goldberg was selected by series creator Barbara Walters to replace O'Donnell, whose stormy tenure on the ABC program lasted less than a year.

In the Vick discussion, Goldberg served notice that she won't shy away from controversy.

Co-host Joy Behar looked horrified at Goldberg.

"How about dog torture and dog murdering?" Behar asked.

For many people, dogs are sport, Goldberg replied, and it appeared it took awhile for Vick to realize that he was up against serious charges.

"I just thought it was interesting, because it seemed like a light went off in his head when he realized this was something that the entire country didn't appreciate," she said.

Vick has been suspended indefinitely by the National Football League and will be sentenced on the dogfighting charges in December. He apologized and asked for forgiveness upon entering his plea in federal court last week.

Looks like Whoopi Cushion is as ugly on the inside as she is on the outside.
Wow, Janice - that was HARSH!! :rofl:

Wow, Janice - that was HARSH!! :rofl:
Not nearly as harsh as having dogs fight to their deaths. Dunking them in water before electrocuting them, hanging, drowning them, etc, etc, etc.

Whoppi, like that other fool Jamie Foxx, using the "he didn't know it was bad" defense. Whoppi, "I just thought it was interesting, because it seemed like a light went off in his head when he realized this was something that the entire country didn't appreciate".


Right Whoops, that's why Vick hid it for SIX years and LIED about it.

Remember I posted the response Jamie Foxx gave where he stated almost the same thing. He stated that "in da hood" where Vick grew up it is "normal" to fight dogs, etc.

Not nearly as harsh as having dogs fight to their deaths. Dunking them in water before electrocuting them, hanging, drowning them, etc, etc, etc.

Whoppi, like that other fool Jamie Foxx, using the "he didn't know it was bad" defense. Whoppi, "I just thought it was interesting, because it seemed like a light went off in his head when he realized this was something that the entire country didn't appreciate".


Right Whoops, that's why Vick hid it for SIX years and LIED about it.






WOWOWOWOWOW!

Good Golly Mother Smuker!

What the Flucktuation was was his problem!

That is some serious stuff.

WOWOWOWOWOW!

Good Golly Mother Smuker!

What the Flucktuation was was his problem!

That is some serious stuff.
:lol:

He was NUCKIN FUTS! :crazy:

THANK YOU JANICE FOR THOSE G-DAMN AWESOME POSTS!!!!!! :cheers: You know, you don't need to hold back, LET IT ALL OUT GIRL, LET IT ALL OUT!:D :cool:


You know, these people who are defending his actions seem to forget something...if he is so damn innocent (stupid is more the word), than why didn't he go to trial and say, "I am innocent because I really didn't think what I did was wrong." ????????????????????????:confused: :rolleyes: I mean, if you are innocent or don't really think what you did is wrong, won't you defend yourself???? :crazy:

Besides, those two celebs saying that he "didn't know better" makes me :puke:...Like I said on the other thread, Vick didn't know it was "wrong" because in da hood that is what was normal. So was drug dealing...does he still think that is not wrong? Pimping and being a prostitute was in his hood when he was growing up, does he still think that is "normal"? Or are those things OK, BECAUSE HE GREW UP IN DA HOOD AND THAT IS WHAT WAS GOING ON AROUND HIM? Gimme a f**king break. If you grew up to be an NFL player, you know right from wrong and you know what is normal or not and surely you better know by that age what is criminal and what isn't. :mad: :rolleyes:

Well I watching the View and the media made a big deal out of this. Whoopi did not defend Vick, she was just pointing out WHY he as involved and that doesn't make it acceptable. She was basically saying from how he was brought up and where he lived, that dog fighting was not a unusal thing but now Vick is able to see that he was the wrong thing to do.


So basically the NY Daily BLEW THIS STORY UP and it really didn't need to be.

Well I watching the View and the media made a big deal out of this. Whoopi did not defend Vick, she was just pointing out WHY he as involved and that doesn't make it acceptable. She was basically saying from how he was brought up and where he lived, that dog fighting was not a unusal thing but now Vick is able to see that he was the wrong thing to do.


So basically the NY Daily BLEW THIS STORY UP and it really didn't need to be.
She defending Vick by making excuses for him. She didn't condemn what he did.

She defending Vick by making excuses for him. She didn't condemn what he did.

I think if you watch it you will see how it was twisted around. She wasn't making excuses, just pointed out why he was into what he was into which still did not make it right and now he will have to deal with the punishment for his actions.

THANK YOU JANICE FOR THOSE G-DAMN AWESOME POSTS!!!!!! :cheers: You know, you don't need to hold back, LET IT ALL OUT GIRL, LET IT ALL OUT!:D :cool:


You know, these people who are defending his actions seem to forget something...if he is so damn innocent (stupid is more the word), than why didn't he go to trial and say, "I am innocent because I really didn't think what I did was wrong." ????????????????????????:confused: :rolleyes: I mean, if you are innocent or don't really think what you did is wrong, won't you defend yourself???? :crazy:

Besides, those two celebs saying that he "didn't know better" makes me :puke:...Like I said on the other thread, Vick didn't know it was "wrong" because in da hood that is what was normal. So was drug dealing...does he still think that is not wrong? Pimping and being a prostitute was in his hood when he was growing up, does he still think that is "normal"? Or are those things OK, BECAUSE HE GREW UP IN DA HOOD AND THAT IS WHAT WAS GOING ON AROUND HIM? Gimme a f**king break. If you grew up to be an NFL player, you know right from wrong and you know what is normal or not and surely you better know by that age what is criminal and what isn't. :mad: :rolleyes:
It's a lot of BS. That culture thing is no excuse, for reasons you stated. I hate how some are making it a racial thing, like Jamie Foxx did, by saying, "Mike probably just didn't read his handbook on what not to do as a black star." Good Lord, what a fool. Race has nothing to do with this. What Vick did was disgusting, for ANYONE to do. I don't care what color he is. Evil comes in all colors. This time it came in black.

I've said it before, but if this was Tom Brady, I'd be just as outraged, and I'd want him GONE.

It's a lot of BS. That culture thing is no excuse, for reasons you stated. I hate how some are making it a racial thing, like Jamie Foxx did, by saying, "Mike probably just didn't read his handbook on what not to do as a black star." Good Lord, what a fool. Race has nothing to do with this. What Vick did was disgusting, for ANYONE to do. I don't care what color he is. Evil comes in all colors. This time it came in black.

I've said it before, but if this was Tom Brady, I'd be just as outraged, and I'd want him GONE.
Jamie Foxx is stupid. He opens his mouth and a bunch of malarkey comes out of there. He has diarrhea of the mouth. :puke:

Race is not the issue, THE CRIME OF DOGFIGHTING AND KILLING DOGS IS THE ISSUE. I would never defend a celebrity simply because he/she is the same race as me. How idiotic is that????? Cockfighting is prevelant in Mexico, but I don't condone it. I hate rodeos, animals in the circus being abused and bullfighting. Let me add hunting for sport. Unless you live in the Appalachian Mountains and need to feed your family, you have no reason to kill any animal.

I think if you watch it you will see how it was twisted around. She wasn't making excuses, just pointed out why he was into what he was into which still did not make it right and now he will have to deal with the punishment for his actions.
From the quotes I read, she's making excuses for him. Unless there are other quotes I'm missing, that's my take.

Race is not the issue, THE CRIME OF DOGFIGHTING AND KILLING DOGS IS THE ISSUE. I would never defend a celebrity simply because he/she is the same race as me. How idiotic is that????? Cockfighting is prevelant in Mexico, but I don't condone it. I hate rodeos, animals in the circus being abused and bullfighting. Let me add hunting for sport. Unless you live in the Appalachian Mountains and need to feed your family, you have no reason to kill any animal.
We are deffinately of the same mind here.....I wont go to a circus or rodeo and think bullfighting especially barbaric: "Lets all gang up on this animal, taunt it, slam darts into its body til its weak from lack of blood, then, if it still decides to fight back, put a sword through it..." and they call it a sport!:mad: As for hunting, Im not even a big fan of hunting for food, but, i can understand it...especially for people such as the Inuit who have no other means to survive, in some cases.

oh...and just to keep on topic, Dog fighting is wrong, "race" has nothing to do with it

From the quotes I read, she's making excuses for him. Unless there are other quotes I'm missing, that's my take.


You know how the media is, they have to choose the right quotes to make the story believable-lol Yes there were quotes missing

You know how the media is, they have to choose the right quotes to make the story believable-lol Yes there were quotes missing
It doesn't matter how many were missing, the IMPORTANT ONES WERE THERE.

It doesn't matter how many were missing, the IMPORTANT ONES WERE THERE.


Yup, the quotes that would make people who didn't watch the show believe the story-lol Irene believe me when I tell you, it wasn't nothing like the NY daily news made it out to be

Then why did you make a thread abt this story that isn't what it is? :lol:

Then why did you make a thread abt this story that isn't what it is? :lol:


I was at my desk at work when I made the thread and hadn't watched it yet. Then once I watched it when I got home I saw that it was overblown

Yup, the quotes that would make people who didn't watch the show believe the story-lol Irene believe me when I tell you, it wasn't nothing like the NY daily news made it out to be
Did she say what Vick did was disgusting or anything like that? From what I read, she gave the tired old cultural thing. It's a criminal thing. He knew it was wrong. She made it sound like he just figured out it was wrong.

"I just thought it was interesting, because it seemed like a light went off in his head when he realized this was something that the entire country didn't appreciate."

"For many people, dogs are sport", Goldberg replied.

What a crock. For sadistic monters, it's a sport. I haven't heard one remark from Goldberg that leads me to believe that she thinks Vick was wrong. Just one excuse after the other, blah, blah, blah.

Did she say what Vick did was disgusting or anything like that? From what I read, she gave the tired old cultural thing. It's a criminal thing. He knew it was wrong. She made it sound like he just figured out it was wrong.

"I just thought it was interesting, because it seemed like a light went off in his head when he realized this was something that the entire country didn't appreciate."

"For many people, dogs are sport", Goldberg replied.

What a crock. For sadistic monters, it's a sport. I haven't heard one remark from Goldberg that leads me to believe that she thinks Vick was wrong. Just one excuse after the other, blah, blah, blah.


She did say his involvement in dog fighting was wrong and him living in the part country where dog fighting was popular didn't make it right. All in All, she never said anything like he shouldn't do time for what he did

can someone post a link for the show? I would like to see it myself. Although it won't change my mind, I think there is too much being said in defense of whoopi.

Her quote

"comes from a culture where that's all he saw growing up" BUT, it doesn't make what he was doing was right, I still think it was wrong and I'm glad that he understands now that dog fighting is not culturally acceptable.

She did say his involvement in dog fighting was wrong and him living in the part country where dog fighting was popular didn't make it right. All in All, she never said anything like he shouldn't do time for what he did
I don't believe for a minute that Whoopi is in favor of dogfighting. I'm just sick of the excuse of he grew up in that environment, etc. Nothing, absolutely nothing makes this okay. It's this mentality of making Vick out to be the victim, like Jamie Foxx did, that p*sses me off. Nobody picked on Vick. He picked on the dogs.

I think if you watch it you will see how it was twisted around. She wasn't making excuses, just pointed out why he was into what he was into which still did not make it right and now he will have to deal with the punishment for his actions.


Exactly, I watched the first part of The View today. And Whoopi NEVER said that it was ok and I highly doubt that she would condone someone killing dogs. She said that she could see how Vick would think that it was ok since that's what he grew up around. And she also said that he finally realized that it wasn't OK.

People are taking what she said and they are twisting it to make it seem like Whoopi said that it was ok, When in fact she didn't say that at all.

I don't believe for a minute that Whoopi is in favor of dogfighting. I'm just sick of the excuse of he grew up in that environment, etc. Nothing, absolutely nothing makes this okay. It's this mentality of making Vick out to be the victim, like Jamie Foxx did, that p*sses me off. Nobody picked on Vick. He picked on the dogs.
I don't think Whoopi is defending dog-fighting either, but to say "that is the environment" one grew up in, leads me to understand she is giving a grown a$$ man an excuse. What excuse would there be for a teen who grows up in south central Los Angeles with gang infested neighborhoods and he/she ends up shooting someone or robbing someone? Would people say, "Oh, it's the environment..." NO, they would want that person's head on a platter. When is it "ok" to NOT KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG?

Well I can't say one way or the other. I only saw a small clip on ESPN but it just seems like it's another person making excuses for Vick. As some others have said, their are a lot of bad things going on out there in the world and it seems like a cop out saying a person doesn't know any better because dogfighting was going on all the time in their neighborhood. You can use that excuse for just about any crime.

Did she say what Vick did was disgusting or anything like that? From what I read, she gave the tired old cultural thing. It's a criminal thing. He knew it was wrong. She made it sound like he just figured out it was wrong.

"I just thought it was interesting, because it seemed like a light went off in his head when he realized this was something that the entire country didn't appreciate."

"For many people, dogs are sport", Goldberg replied.

What a crock. For sadistic monters, it's a sport. I haven't heard one remark from Goldberg that leads me to believe that she thinks Vick was wrong. Just one excuse after the other, blah, blah, blah.


Also in Spain they actually harpoon Bulls for sport, and in the south "SOME" people have dog fights, so there's no difference. An animal is an animal. It's never ok

You would actually have to watch the segment, there was nothing wrong with what she said. People are all up in arms over nothing, it's nit picking and trying to find something wrong.

Well I can't say one way or the other. I only saw a small clip on ESPN but it just seems like it's another person making excuses for Vick. As some others have said, their are a lot of bad things going on out there in the world and it seems like a cop out saying a person doesn't know any better because dogfighting was going on all the time in their neighborhood. You can use that excuse for just about any crime.


It was on ESPN too?? Damm-lol

Exactly, I watched the first part of The View today. And Whoopi NEVER said that it was ok and I highly doubt that she would condone someone killing dogs. She said that she could see how Vick would think that it was ok since that's what he grew up around. And she also said that he finally realized that it wasn't OK.

People are taking what she said and they are twisting it to make it seem like Whoopi said that it was ok, When in fact she didn't say that at all.
Nobody is doing any such thing. We know what she said. The fact that she said that "he finally realized it wasn't okay". Is she kidding with that or what? He was taking dogs back and forth over state lines for six years, had a huge ILLEGAL dogfighting ring going on. He knew it was wrong from the start. Nobody's twisting anything. We can read.

Nobody is doing any such thing. We know what she said. The fact that she said that "he finally realized it was okay". Is she kidding with that or what? He was taking dogs back and forth over state lines for six years, had a huge ILLEGAL dogfighting ring going on. He knew it was wrong from the start. Nobody's twisting anything. We can read.
If he thought their was nothing wrong with it, why did he hide it? He must have known what the public reaction would be like.

If he thought their was nothing wrong with it, why did he hide it? He must have known what the public reaction would be like.
Exactly. Which is why I ask, if he thought it was "ok" then why not go to court and defend yourself? Use the IT WAS DONE IN MY HOOD defense. :rolleyes:

Also in Spain they actually harpoon Bulls for sport, and in the south "SOME" people have dog fights, so there's no difference. An animal is an animal. It's never ok

You would actually have to watch the segment, there was nothing wrong with what she said. People are all up in arms over nothing, it's nit picking and trying to find something wrong.
Ah, the old "bring up another wrongdoing to deflect off the actual topic". Not gonna work. You're right, it's NEVER okay. It's what Vick did that Whoopi was talking about. That's the issue here. It's no big deal to you, then great. Others have their opinions.

I happen to think she's a creep for saying that she could understand how Vick would think it was okay because that's what he grew up around. What a pantload! I grew up in the city streets where a lot of bad things happened. Would that make it understandable if I did the same illegal things? Nope, because I'm not famous. Just because this dog slaughtering lowlife can throw a football is no reason to give him a pass on anything.

Her quote

"comes from a culture where that's all he saw growing up" BUT, it doesn't make what he was doing was right, I still think it was wrong and I'm glad that he understands now that dog fighting is not culturally acceptable.
If that quote is accurate, she doesnt seem to be condoning it, or making excuses, although, I can see how it could be taken that way.

Exactly. Which is why I ask, if he thought it was "ok" then why not go to court and defend yourself? Use the IT WAS DONE IN MY HOOD defense. :rolleyes:
:lol: Is that like the Twinkie Defense?

He's so guilty, and he knew there was no way out. He's only sorry he got caught. If he could have continued to lie his way out of it, he would have, but they have him COLD.

If that quote is accurate, she doesnt seem to be condoning it, or making excuses, although, I can see how it could be taken that way.
It's this quote that nails it for me.

"I just thought it was interesting, because it seemed like a light went off in his head when he realized this was something that the entire country didn't appreciate."

Exactly. Which is why I ask, if he thought it was "ok" then why not go to court and defend yourself? Use the IT WAS DONE IN MY HOOD defense. :rolleyes:
:eek: :lol:

"If the hood don't fit, you must acquit!" ;)

:eek: :lol:

"If the hood don't fit, you must acquit!" ;)
:cheers: :rofl: TOUCHE!!!!!! MY MAN, YOU GET A TOUCHDOWN FOR THAT!!!!!



Janice, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I don't get defending or giving an excuse for such barbaric behavior. Next thing you know, people will defend black NFL players for impregnating hundreds of women because, "That's all they knew growing up..." :rofl:

I don't get how suddenly a "lightbulb" went off in this supposed man's head and he finally gets it that it is wrong. I am so disappointed in Whoopi, if anything, I would have expected her to NOT DEFEND THE BASTARD. I am shocked!!!!!!

I say go Whoopi! I think she did a good job & I on't think she was totally defending him. I know she thinks what he did is wrong. She is just saying in the south(where Vick Grew up) that is common. So stop hatin on Whoopi.

I say go Whoopi! I think she did a good job & I on't think she was totally defending him. I know she thinks what he did is wrong. She is just saying in the south(where Vick Grew up) that is common. So stop hatin on Whoopi.
Selling drugs and prostitution is prevelant in the south too, so should we "ok" those crimes as well? I mean, "It is common in the south." Hell, it is common in lots of cities, but I guess we should just "ok" those crimes because "that's the way it is."

I say go Whoopi! I think she did a good job & I on't think she was totally defending him. I know she thinks what he did is wrong. She is just saying in the south(where Vick Grew up) that is common. So stop hatin on Whoopi.
It must have been a part of the south I never went to because I was raised in NC and I never heard anything about Dogfighting.

I still think that it is evil. It is too bad that a place where a person grew up is reason for a person's behavior. I was wondering if Whoopi's words had been twisted or if parts of the story were missing. Thanks Solomon for clearing that up. Whoopi is right folks, the environment does play a part however, we have to use wisdom as adults and decide between right and wrong point blank. As a man, Vick should have know better.

I still think that it is evil. It is too bad that a place where a person grew up is reason for a person's behavior. I was wondering if Whoopi's words had been twisted or if parts of the story were missing. Thanks Solomon for clearing that up. Whoopi is right folks, the environment does play a part however, we have to use wisdom as adults and decide between right and wrong point blank. As a man, Vick should have know better.
AMEN! For someone who went to college and became a pro football player, he has rocks in his head and sure likes to "play dumb". :rolleyes:

Maybe it was not an act playing dumb, maybe it was one of "hand in the cookie jar" type of situations. He could not get of the situation.

Maybe it was not an act playing dumb, maybe it was one of "hand in the cookie jar" type of situations. He could not get of the situation.
Oh I know that. I was being sarcastic. But obviously playing "dumb" has generated defenders for this bastard...Jamie Foxx and Whoopi. :rolleyes: I mean, it doesn't take much to figure out that when you get caught you are going to say anything and do anything to try and make amends.

Selling drugs and prostitution is prevelant in the south too, so should we "ok" those crimes as well? I mean, "It is common in the south." Hell, it is common in lots of cities, but I guess we should just "ok" those crimes because "that's the way it is."
We should call you hammer Irene, you always hit the nail on the head! :)

As i once said in a morality thread, long ago: These days, people seem to think: "He stole MY bike, so, Ill steal HERS!".....Wrong is wrong, and enviroment and/or circumstance arent going to change that.

I don't care where Vick grew up. The guy was a multi-millionaire. He didn't need the money. He did it for kicks. Slamming dogs against walls until they were dead, hanging, drowning, electrocuting them, when they didn't perform. If that PIG Vick had a shred of decency, he would have killed them with compassion. He wouldn't be doing it in the first place, but since he was, for GOD'S SAKE, show SOME compassion to the innocent little creatures.

Whoppi's words were NOT twisted. I read them with complete clarity. She's giving the old "cultural thing" excuse, and that "he finally realized it was wrong." Give me a break! Anyone want to buy into that BS, be my guest, but not me. My mother didn't raise a fool.

Oh I know that. I was being sarcastic. But obviously playing "dumb" has generated defenders for this bastard...Jamie Foxx and Whoopi. :rolleyes: I mean, it doesn't take much to figure out that when you get caught you are going to say anything and do anything to try and make amends.


Cookie Jar. LOL. I don't buy into it at all. Don't worry, I understood where you were coming from. What a sad situation. Extemely pitful.:( :rolleyes:

I don't care where Vick grew up. The guy was a multi-millionaire. He didn't need the money. He did it for kicks. Slamming dogs against walls until they were dead, hanging, drowning, electrocuting them, when they didn't perform. If that PIG Vick had a shred of decency, he would have killed them with compassion. He wouldn't be doing it in the first place, but since he was, for GOD'S SAKE, show SOME compassion to the innocent little creatures.

Whoppi's words were NOT twisted. I read them with complete clarity. She's giving the old "cultural thing" excuse, and that "he finally realized it was wrong." Give me a break! Anyone want to buy into that BS, be my guest, but not me. My mother didn't raise a fool.
MAMA DIDN'T RAISE NO FOOL is right.:cool:

And bottom line, just like you said, FOR WHAT REASON OTHER THAN MONEY, WAS HE DOING THIS? Why doesn't someone ask Whoopi and Jamie that question? I can see a poor, hungry man stealing a candy bar or a loaf of bread...but a hooligan who felt he needed MORE BLING, MORE CARS, MORE HO'S, MORE MORE MORE AND USED ANIMALS FOR HIS "SPORT". :mad:

I don't care where Vick grew up. The guy was a multi-millionaire. He didn't need the money. He did it for kicks. Slamming dogs against walls until they were dead, hanging, drowning, electrocuting them, when they didn't perform. If that PIG Vick had a shred of decency, he would have killed them with compassion. He wouldn't be doing it in the first place, but since he was, for GOD'S SAKE, show SOME compassion to the innocent little creatures.
Man, thats horrible!!!! Very well put , Janice!

Not nearly as harsh as having dogs fight to their deaths. Dunking them in water before electrocuting them, hanging, drowning them, etc, etc, etc.

Whoppi, like that other fool Jamie Foxx, using the "he didn't know it was bad" defense. Whoppi, "I just thought it was interesting, because it seemed like a light went off in his head when he realized this was something that the entire country didn't appreciate".


Right Whoops, that's why Vick hid it for SIX years and LIED about it.




Oh, I know...and I agree with you 100%. There is no excuse for what he did - and these yoyos have no excuse defending him.

Oh, I know...and I agree with you 100%. There is no excuse for what he did - and these yoyos have no excuse defending him.
I know Monika. I need to calm down or I'm going to stroke out, lol. My love for animals is deep, beyond words. I truly believe I was born with this love for animals. I've always stayed away from sad animal stories. I avoided this story in the beginning, but took the plunge.

It's beyond comprehension for me, how anyone can harm defenseless animals. Some stories can actually give me sleepless nights. I get too emotional, so when I hear anyone (Whoopi, Foxx, etc) giving Vick any kind of reason, excuse, anything, I lose it. There's no reason, regardless of upbringing, to commit the atrocities he did. Not to me. I think of those poor little dogs, and it makes me cry.

I know Monika. I need to calm down or I'm going to stroke out, lol. My love for animals is deep, beyond words. I truly believe I was born with this love for animals. I've always stayed away from sad animal stories. I avoided this story in the beginning, but took the plunge.

It's beyond comprehension for me, how anyone can harm defenseless animals. Some stories can actually give me sleepless nights. I get too emotional, so when I hear anyone (Whoopi, Foxx, etc) giving Vick any kind of reason, excuse, anything, I lose it. There's no reason, regardless of upbringing, to commit the atrocities he did. Not to me. I think of those poor little dogs, and it makes me cry.
Had Vick done this to infants or children would people be quick to defend him? No. So why do they when it comes to defenseless animals? Since when did animals become worthless?

^ I hear you, Janice. Animals hold a special place in my heart as well.

Ah, the old "bring up another wrongdoing to deflect off the actual topic". Not gonna work. You're right, it's NEVER okay. It's what Vick did that Whoopi was talking about. That's the issue here. It's no big deal to you, then great. Others have their opinions.

I happen to think she's a creep for saying that she could understand how Vick would think it was okay because that's what he grew up around. What a pantload! I grew up in the city streets where a lot of bad things happened. Would that make it understandable if I did the same illegal things? Nope, because I'm not famous. Just because this dog slaughtering lowlife can throw a football is no reason to give him a pass on anything.


I'm not trying to deflect anything, if people actually watched The View and they actually heard what she said, and not try to misconstrued anything, they would see that she said nothing wrong. She didn't condone what he did, she wasn't making any excuses for him. All she said was they she could see why he would think the way he did, because it's a cultural thing. Just like in Spain they harpoon Bulls, that's a cultural thing. She never said that it was right. She basically said it's all about what he grew up around. I don't see how she's making up excuses for him.

Just because she can understand Vicks way of thinking....Does that mean she’s siding with him???? NO, it doesn’t. You can understand a person way of thinking, but you don’t have to agree with it. And that’s what people are failing to see.

People are always jumping on a band wagon before they get the facts.

Did Vick ever say himself that he did it because "that's what I grew up with?" or is this something that only Foxx and Whoopi have said?

Did Vick ever say himself that he did it because "that's what I grew up with?" or is this something that only Foxx and Whoopi have said?


Vick prob said it some where down the line. And it's no secret that Dog fighting happens. Big money rides on those fights

Well I watched to see what if anything would be said abt yesterday's "drama" and Whoopie said what she said was taken out of context. The ladies, including Elizabeth Hasselback defended Whoopi saying that what is said live on t.v. gets edited real bad on the internet, in newspapers, etc. Whoopi said they had this conversation among themselves before she mentioned it was mentioned on the air.

Well I watched to see what if anything would be said abt yesterday's "drama" and Whoopie said what she said was taken out of context. The ladies, including Elizabeth Hasselback defended Whoopi saying that what is said live on t.v. gets edited real bad on the internet, in newspapers, etc. Whoopi said they had this conversation among themselves before she mentioned it was mentioned on the air.


EXACTLY, like I said if you watched the actual live broadcast, all the things that she said wasn't bad at all and she wasn't siding with Vick at all. The media took what she said and they turned it all the way around.

I saw the whole thing and it still appears that she's making excuses for Vick. She says it a cultural thing yet it seems to be a racial thing when it comes to defending Vick. Whoopie, Jamie Fox, Stephon Marberry.....if it was a white boy from the south that "supposedly" grew up around this, would they be out there defending him? I doubt it.


I doubt that it's a race thing, I think it's an understanding thing. And Whoopi would be the last person who would make it out of a race thing, look at her background.

Well I watched to see what if anything would be said abt yesterday's "drama" and Whoopie said what she said was taken out of context. The ladies, including Elizabeth Hasselback defended Whoopi saying that what is said live on t.v. gets edited real bad on the internet, in newspapers, etc. Whoopi said they had this conversation among themselves before she mentioned it was mentioned on the air.
I managed to watch it, and Whoopi said what she said. She didn't condone dogfighting, but she made excuses for Vick, using the "cultural thing". I didn't see anything taken out of context.

Just because she can understand Vicks way of thinking....Does that mean she’s siding with him???? NO, it doesn’t. You can understand a person way of thinking, but you don’t have to agree with it. And that’s what people are failing to see.
If she understands his thinking, she most certainly is siding with him. If I posted that a person who killed, robbed, molested kids, take your pick, and said I understand their thinking, that would be nuts. :crazy:

Whoopi Goldberg Defends Michael Vick, Blames "Culture"

Maybe Whoopi Goldberg is going to follow in the footsteps of Rosie O'Donnell after all. According to a report when Whoopi Goldberg made her debut today as the new co-host of "The View." Just 15 minutes into her new gig, Whoopi defended Michael Vick. Michael K of D-Listed points out that Just like Jamie Foxx, Whoopi seemed to think that Vick was naive and blamed his background for his actions.

On August 27, Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick plead guilty to a dogfighting charge. Vick will be sentenced on the charges in December. The federal sentencing guideline projects a year to 18 months, but the judge can impose up to the five-year maximum.

Whoopi jumped in feet first according to WSB-TV. The network reports: Just 15 minutes into the show she brought up Vick's conviction on dogfighting charges.

"You know from his background this is not an unusual thing for where he comes from," said Goldberg. "There are certain things that are indicative to certain parts of our country." Co-host Joy Behar seemed shocked at Goldberg's statements. "How about dog torture and dog murdering," Behar asked.

"Unfortunately it's part of the thing," Goldberg replied. "You're a dog lover. For a lot of people dogs are sport," she added. Behar continued to shake her head in disgust.

She said if the case had involved somebody from New York City her feelings would have been different. Goldberg pointed out that Vick was raised in the South. "This is part of his cultural upbringing," said Goldberg.

Wow, hard to believe that type of ignorance for Whoopi on day one. There is no defense for what Vick did, he's pled guilty and will now go to jail. These dopes that keep defending him are missing the point.


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I managed to watch it, and Whoopi said what she said. She didn't condone dogfighting, but she made excuses for Vick, using the "cultural thing". I didn't see anything taken out of context.
Mind you, it doesn't change what I know and feel, I merely posted what she said this morning. That's all.

I find that anyone who "understands" a person killing dogs, has a screw loose somewhere.

Whoopi Goldberg defends Vick's dog-fighting role

By Steve Gorman,
Reuters

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Outspoken comedian Whoopi Goldberg drew a scathing rebuke from animal rights activists Tuesday for defending football star Michael Vick's role in dogfighting during her debut on ABC's talk show "The View."

"He's from the South, from the Deep South ... This is part of his cultural upbringing," Goldberg said of the Atlanta Falcons quarterback, whose recent fall from grace has been one of the most stunning in the history of U.S. sports.

Vick pleaded guilty last week to federal dogfighting charges, admitting he took part in an illegal, interstate enterprise known as Bad Newz Kennels and helped kill underperforming dogs.

The 27-year-old, who grew up in Virginia, faces up to five years in prison when sentenced in December. He has been suspended indefinitely by the National Football League.

"For a lot of people, dogs are sport," Goldberg said on the show. "Instead of just saying (Vick) is a beast and he's a monster, this is a kid who comes from a culture where this is not questioned."

Veteran "View" co-host Joy Behar took immediate issue with Goldberg.

"What part of the country is this? ... How about dog torturing and dog murdering?" she asked.

Goldberg's comments were denounced by Wayne Pacelle, president of the Humane Society of the United States, who disputed that dogfighting was a cultural fixture of the South or any other region.

"To suggest that there is some ethnic group or racial group or regional group that finds this acceptable is just not accurate," he told Reuters, adding that public opinion polls show opposition to dogfighting "is a universal value in America."

He noted that dogfighting is outlawed in all 50 states, and a felony in all but two -- Idaho and Wyoming.

The Oscar-winning actress' dogfighting remarks came on her first day as the new lead panelist on "The View," filling the seat vacated by actress and comedian Rosie O'Donnell in May.

Goldberg's debut signaled she was likely to continue the often-controversial dynamic O'Donnell brought to the show, which blends live chat, celebrity interviews and segments on fashion, health and lifestyles.

If she understands his thinking, she most certainly is siding with him. If I posted that a person who killed, robbed, molested kids, take your pick, and said I understand their thinking, that would be nuts. :crazy:


I didn't know that understanding a person meant that you were siding with them????? I can understand your feelings but that doesn't mean that I agree with you.

And again the culture thing comes to the surface. I am sorry but that is so friggin' laughable. :rofl:

I come from a culture where cockfighting and bullfighting is the norm. But as you get older you KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG, you know WHAT IS CRIMINAL AND WHAT IS MORALLY AND ETHICALLY WRONG. I find it so hard to fathom that a man who was educated in this country, attained a football career and made millions felt he needed more $$$$$, more bling, more more more, decided he would get into dog fighting. And if he thought he was so damn right, why didn't he DO IT OUT IN THE OPEN?

I didn't know that understanding a person meant that you were siding with them????? I can understand your feelings but that doesn't mean that I agree with you.
I guess you learn something new every day, Brieanna. Only a complete ******* would "understand" the thinking behind what that monster did to those dogs.

And again the culture thing comes to the surface. I am sorry but that is so friggin' laughable. :rofl:

I come from a culture where cockfighting and bullfighting is the norm. But as you get older you KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG, you know WHAT IS CRIMINAL AND WHAT IS MORALLY AND ETHICALLY WRONG. I find it so hard to fathom that a man who was educated in this country, attained a football career and made millions felt he needed more $$$$$, more bling, more more more, decided he would get into dog fighting. And if he thought he was so damn right, why didn't he DO IT OUT IN THE OPEN?


Did he every deny that he did it? I can't remember if he every said that he was innocent.

First he denied knowledge, then he said it was his friends "business", then he said he didn't hurt the dogs, "they did"...now he admits to killing dogs.

Vick lied, said his cousins were doing it without his knowledge. Keep in mind that Vick bought this property for this purpose only. He had sheds built, arenas, etc. When he was busted, 50 dogs were removed from his property, and they're in terrible shape.

It went on for six years. Transporting dogs back and forth. This was a full-scale operation.

He lied to Falcon's owner, Arthur Blank's face. Did the same to NFL Commissioner, Roger Goodell. They publicly stated how much this angered them.

Flip - flop. Flip - flop. :rofl:
Nah, Irene didn't change her mind, and the three of us are on the same page, on this issue. Peace in the Middle East can't be far behind. :lol:

And if he thought he was so damn right, why didn't he DO IT OUT IN THE OPEN?
Good point. We must have missed all the ads for BAD NEWZ KENNELS. :lol:

Whoopi Goldberg is a blithering idiot! :rolleyes:

Whoopi Goldberg, the Slack-Jawed Yokel

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Dear Ms. Whoopi Goldberg, don't tell me that torturing animals (dog-fighting) -- "hanging, drowning, and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground" -- is an integral part of Southerners' "cultural upbringing." I've lived in the Deep South for about 5 years, visited family there many times, and vacationed there more times than I can remember. My experiences? Good, decent people, and beautiful cities, countryside, and beaches. So how did this dog-fighting controversy get started?

Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick was busted red-handed running a chamber of horrors for canines (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2884063). Not only was he fighting dogs, but torturing them too, presumably for his own "pleasure." From the Smoking Gun (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0717072vick1.html), including the federal indictment against Vick:...After a March 2003 loss by a female pit bull, codefendant Purnell Peace, "after consulting with Vick," electrocuted the animal. In April, prosecutors allege, Vick, Peace, and Quanis Phillips, "executed approximately 8 dogs that did not perform well in 'testing' sessions." These animals, the indictment claims, were killed "by various methods, including hanging, drowning, and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground." From ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2884063):..."He's a pit bull fighter," the source said of Vick. "He's one of the ones that they call 'the big boys': that's who bets a large dollar. And they have the money to bet large money. As I'm talking about large money -- $30,000 to $40,000 -- even higher. He's one of the heavyweights." On April 25, authorities raided a house in Surry County, Va., owned by Vick and reportedly found -- among other things -- 66 dogs (most of which were pit bulls), a dog-fighting pit, bloodstained carpets and equipment commonly associated with dogfighting. ...

Here's Whoopi on Vick's crimes, from ABC's talk show The View (http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=entertainmentNews&storyID=2007-09-05T012922Z_01_N04445007_RTRUKOC_0_US-NFL-VICK-WHOOPI.xml&pageNumber=0&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage2):"He's from the South, from the Deep South ... This is part of his cultural upbringing." At least:..."View" co-host Joy Behar took immediate issue with Goldberg. "What part of the country is this? ... How about dog torturing and dog murdering?" she asked. ...

According to Whoopi, poor baby Vick can't help being a "heavyweight" of dog-fighting, regularly killing "under-performing" dogs by "hanging, drowning, and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground." It is part of his "cultural heritage." Would Whoopi excuse slavery in the Old South on the basis of "cultural heritage?" You know she wouldn't.

Whoopi is in fact perpetuating the now-widespread culture of victimization, whereby certain special identity groups try to get out of trouble, whereby the fabric of our American culture is being devastated. She is part of the problem whereby hillbilly/redneck stereotypes (e.g., the Simpsons' Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel) are warmly received in Hollywood (http://netwmd.com/blog/2007/04/30/1622), inner-city gangsta thugs are self-destructively hocked by BET, but we've yet to see a major movie about Islamist terrorism.

Should we think anything more of Whoopi? Speaking of the President in 2004 (http://www.netwmd.com/articles/article624.html), she:...produced a few embarrassed grimaces with an unsubtle anatomical double-entendre enjoining voters to "keep Bush where it belongs and not in the White House." No, we cannot expect more from a person whose intelligence is limited to bathroom "humor" while arguing politics.



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^^^ How on earth could Whoopi Goldberg defend such a dirt-bag like Michael Vick? She is truly a senseless, heartless idiot!!!
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Whoopi Goldberg SUCKS turds!!!!!

http://www.tmz.com/2007/09/05/oneal-calls-foul-on-wife-files-for-divorce/ (http://www.tmz.com/2007/09/05/oneal-calls-foul-on-wife-files-for-divorce/)

PETA Gives Whoopi a Whuppin'!

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Whoopi is the new Rosie on "The View," in more ways than one! Day one, and she's already pissed off a whole lotta people, including animal rights group PETA. Goldberg defended Michael Vick by saying there are things that are "indicative to certain parts of our country," ... meaning the South.

PETA President Michelle Cho fired off an email to Whoopi that very politely said just how ignorant Whoopi's statement was. "I think a lot of people who live and work in the South -- as PETA does -- will not appreciate the "view" that cruelty to dogs is an accepted Southern pastime. Those who fight dogs do so in New York, Chicago, and even the Republic of Ireland, and what unites them is lawlessness and callousness, not whether they eat grits or Belgian waffles for breakfast." Cho went on to say that "animals are as vulnerable to abuse as children are, and they need your voice more than Vick does right now." Whoops!

UPDATE: On today's "View" Whoopi said she was "not condoning" Vick's actions. It sure sounded as though she was making excuses for them.

Whoopi Goldberg, the Slack-Jawed Yokel

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Dear Ms. Whoopi Goldberg, don't tell me that torturing animals (dog-fighting) -- "hanging, drowning, and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground" -- is an integral part of Southerners' "cultural upbringing." I've lived in the Deep South for about 5 years, visited family there many times, and vacationed there more times than I can remember. My experiences? Good, decent people, and beautiful cities, countryside, and beaches. So how did this dog-fighting controversy get started?

Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick was busted red-handed running a chamber of horrors for canines (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2884063). Not only was he fighting dogs, but torturing them too, presumably for his own "pleasure." From the Smoking Gun (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0717072vick1.html), including the federal indictment against Vick:...After a March 2003 loss by a female pit bull, codefendant Purnell Peace, "after consulting with Vick," electrocuted the animal. In April, prosecutors allege, Vick, Peace, and Quanis Phillips, "executed approximately 8 dogs that did not perform well in 'testing' sessions." These animals, the indictment claims, were killed "by various methods, including hanging, drowning, and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground." From ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2884063):..."He's a pit bull fighter," the source said of Vick. "He's one of the ones that they call 'the big boys': that's who bets a large dollar. And they have the money to bet large money. As I'm talking about large money -- $30,000 to $40,000 -- even higher. He's one of the heavyweights." On April 25, authorities raided a house in Surry County, Va., owned by Vick and reportedly found -- among other things -- 66 dogs (most of which were pit bulls), a dog-fighting pit, bloodstained carpets and equipment commonly associated with dogfighting. ...

Here's Whoopi on Vick's crimes, from ABC's talk show The View (http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=entertainmentNews&storyID=2007-09-05T012922Z_01_N04445007_RTRUKOC_0_US-NFL-VICK-WHOOPI.xml&pageNumber=0&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage2):"He's from the South, from the Deep South ... This is part of his cultural upbringing." At least:..."View" co-host Joy Behar took immediate issue with Goldberg. "What part of the country is this? ... How about dog torturing and dog murdering?" she asked. ...

According to Whoopi, poor baby Vick can't help being a "heavyweight" of dog-fighting, regularly killing "under-performing" dogs by "hanging, drowning, and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground." It is part of his "cultural heritage." Would Whoopi excuse slavery in the Old South on the basis of "cultural heritage?" You know she wouldn't.

Whoopi is in fact perpetuating the now-widespread culture of victimization, whereby certain special identity groups try to get out of trouble, whereby the fabric of our American culture is being devastated. She is part of the problem whereby hillbilly/redneck stereotypes (e.g., the Simpsons' Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel) are warmly received in Hollywood (http://netwmd.com/blog/2007/04/30/1622), inner-city gangsta thugs are self-destructively hocked by BET, but we've yet to see a major movie about Islamist terrorism.

Should we think anything more of Whoopi? Speaking of the President in 2004 (http://www.netwmd.com/articles/article624.html), she:...produced a few embarrassed grimaces with an unsubtle anatomical double-entendre enjoining voters to "keep Bush where it belongs and not in the White House." No, we cannot expect more from a person whose intelligence is limited to bathroom "humor" while arguing politics.



Source (http://netwmd.com/blog/2007/09/05/1922)
That's totally right. I never liked growing up in the south for a lot of reasons but one thing I do know is that all the years I lived down there, not once did I ever hear about dogfighting. Southern people had dogs and loved them just as much as northern people do. The one thing I didn't like was they didn't believe in keeping them on a leash but that's another matter. lol I get sick and tired hearing about it being a culture. That's bull. The people that would hurt a defenseless dog like this are the scum of the Earth. And I'm also tired of hearing how he made a mistake. Torturing animals is not a mistake. It's dispictable.

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SHAME!!!

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How long before Whoopi's butt follows Rosie's out the door, at the View? Taking all bets NOW!......... :rolleyes:

How long before Whoopi's butt follows Rosie's out the door, at the View? Taking all bets NOW!......... :rolleyes:
Sometimes I think the View hires these people just for controversy. Before Rosie I had never heard of the View being in the news before.

Whoopi Goldberg, the Slack-Jawed Yokel

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Dear Ms. Whoopi Goldberg, don't tell me that torturing animals (dog-fighting) -- "hanging, drowning, and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground" -- is an integral part of Southerners' "cultural upbringing." I've lived in the Deep South for about 5 years, visited family there many times, and vacationed there more times than I can remember. My experiences? Good, decent people, and beautiful cities, countryside, and beaches. So how did this dog-fighting controversy get started?

Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick was busted red-handed running a chamber of horrors for canines (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2884063). Not only was he fighting dogs, but torturing them too, presumably for his own "pleasure." From the Smoking Gun (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0717072vick1.html), including the federal indictment against Vick:...After a March 2003 loss by a female pit bull, codefendant Purnell Peace, "after consulting with Vick," electrocuted the animal. In April, prosecutors allege, Vick, Peace, and Quanis Phillips, "executed approximately 8 dogs that did not perform well in 'testing' sessions." These animals, the indictment claims, were killed "by various methods, including hanging, drowning, and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground." From ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2884063):..."He's a pit bull fighter," the source said of Vick. "He's one of the ones that they call 'the big boys': that's who bets a large dollar. And they have the money to bet large money. As I'm talking about large money -- $30,000 to $40,000 -- even higher. He's one of the heavyweights." On April 25, authorities raided a house in Surry County, Va., owned by Vick and reportedly found -- among other things -- 66 dogs (most of which were pit bulls), a dog-fighting pit, bloodstained carpets and equipment commonly associated with dogfighting. ...

Here's Whoopi on Vick's crimes, from ABC's talk show The View (http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=entertainmentNews&storyID=2007-09-05T012922Z_01_N04445007_RTRUKOC_0_US-NFL-VICK-WHOOPI.xml&pageNumber=0&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage2):"He's from the South, from the Deep South ... This is part of his cultural upbringing." At least:..."View" co-host Joy Behar took immediate issue with Goldberg. "What part of the country is this? ... How about dog torturing and dog murdering?" she asked. ...

According to Whoopi, poor baby Vick can't help being a "heavyweight" of dog-fighting, regularly killing "under-performing" dogs by "hanging, drowning, and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground." It is part of his "cultural heritage." Would Whoopi excuse slavery in the Old South on the basis of "cultural heritage?" You know she wouldn't.

Whoopi is in fact perpetuating the now-widespread culture of victimization, whereby certain special identity groups try to get out of trouble, whereby the fabric of our American culture is being devastated. She is part of the problem whereby hillbilly/redneck stereotypes (e.g., the Simpsons' Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel) are warmly received in Hollywood (http://netwmd.com/blog/2007/04/30/1622), inner-city gangsta thugs are self-destructively hocked by BET, but we've yet to see a major movie about Islamist terrorism.

Should we think anything more of Whoopi? Speaking of the President in 2004 (http://www.netwmd.com/articles/article624.html), she:...produced a few embarrassed grimaces with an unsubtle anatomical double-entendre enjoining voters to "keep Bush where it belongs and not in the White House." No, we cannot expect more from a person whose intelligence is limited to bathroom "humor" while arguing politics.



Source (http://netwmd.com/blog/2007/09/05/1922)
Excellent! Thank you for this!

Sometimes I think the View hires these people just for controversy. Before Rosie I had never heard of the View being in the news before.
:yeahthat Well said, Sonny.

So, no one wants to place a bet? C'mon, i'm giving 8-5 odds here! :lol: ;)

So, no one wants to place a bet? C'mon, i'm giving 8-5 odds here! :lol: ;)
If Whoopi ever leaves, it will be because of "other offers" she receives. :lol: Remember this post!!!!;)

Even Barbara said today that yesterday was "THE FIRST DAY!!!" :crazy:

"Whoopi Goldberg", the newest reason why i'd never watch the View!:p

"Whoopi Goldberg", the newest reason why i'd never watch the View!:p


Today Whoopi forgot to go to a commercial break by saying we will be right back and Barbara was leaning on the table saying are we off camera yet???-lol

Today Whoopi forgot to go to a commercial break by saying we will be right back and Barbara was leaning on the table saying are we off camera yet???-lol
:lol: :crazy:

:lol: :crazy:


When Barbara asked the question, Whoopi was looking at her like-"WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??-lol WHY WOULDN"T WE BE ON CAMERA??-lol


This is defintely in the running for the TV Lowlight of the week

When Barbara asked the question, Whoopi was looking at her like-"WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??-lol WHY WOULDN"T WE BE ON CAMERA??-lol


This is defintely in the running for the TV Lowlight of the week
Forget the week - how about Lowlight of the SEASON?

Forget the week - how about Lowlight of the SEASON?


I'm referring to the Commercial break boo-boo.-lol

I'm referring to the Commercial break boo-boo.-lol
OK...:lol:

The lowlight of the season is hiring Whoopi in the first place :p hehe

Well as for my feelings toward Vick there aren't adjectives foul enough to do him justice. I just wish Leslie Crocker-Snyder was still a judge & he went before her. She was a tough-as-nails kick-ass judge who sentenced drug lords to 232 years in prison and actually had someone before her try to take out a contract on her. She was notorious for her sentences. If Vick went before her he'd get 4+ years easy. He should get that, and they should hit him where he lives, FINE HIS ASS FOR MUCHO BUCKS (at least half a mil) and make him do community service--like 1000 hours of it--in a dog pound cleaning up after pit bulls.There is clearly something sociopathic about wanting to maim and kill animals in this fashion--When historical studies have been done of criminals who have commited violent acts like murder and rape, it was often found that as children they abused/killed animals.

As for Whoopi, her remarks and behavior in situations such as this is going to come back and haunt her and bite her in the ass. BIG TIME.

I will give Whoopi the benefit of a doubt. She was stating where the problem stemmed from which was culture. I have no problem with that. My problem is when a person gets older and they neglect to exercise wisdom and forget points such as "although things were one way, those things may not necessarily be the right way now". When you become a man, you put away childish things. You should mature and clearly tell the difference between right and wrong.

I will give Whoopi the benefit of a doubt. She was stating where the problem stemmed from which was culture. I have no problem with that. My problem is when a person gets older and they neglect to exercise wisdom and forget points such as "although things were one way, those things may not necessarily be the right way now". When you become a man, you put away childish things. You should mature and clearly tell the difference between right and wrong.


correct, she just identified why he was doing what he was but never said he should be excused because of his upbringing and does deserve to be punished.

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Goldberg 'view' of south shows ignorance, not cultural insight

Gotta hurry here. I'm about to head on over to another dog fight.

Y'all know what I'm talking about. Here in the South - the Deep South, that is - there's nothing we like more than watching pit bulls rip each other to shreds.

Yup, we ain't nothin' but tobacco -chewing, 'shine-swilling, dog fightin' fools in these parts.

Welcome to Whoopi Goldberg's world of sweeping stereotypes.

Perhaps you saw her embarrassing inaugural appearance on ABC's "The View" Tuesday. Most of us caught clips of Goldberg's observations when they surfaced later on cable news.

The ladies of "The View" were discussing the Michael Vick case when Whoopi leapt to the defense of the disgraced quarterback. She excused his involvement in dog fighting because, well, he grew up in Hampton Roads.

"Instead of just saying (Vick) is a beast and he's a monster, this is a kid who comes from a culture where this is not questioned," she said.

Kid? This guy is a 27-year-old millionaire. He came from "a culture where this is not questioned"?

"He's from the South," Whoopi declared. "From the Deep South."

News flash: Michael Vick is from Newport News, Va. (So was Ella Fitzgerald. Does that mean the First Lady of Song was a dog fight fan, too?)

Someone give this dreadlocked diva a map.

While there's no official gateway to the Deep South and no passport required once you get there, the term is generally reserved for states nestled deep in Dixie: Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana come to mind.

Virginia is not the Deep South. The Old South? Yes. Deep? Never. Even I know it, and I grew up in Jersey.

As if that wasn't enough misinformation for one outing, the comedian also opined that Southerners accept dog fighting the way Puerto Ricans accept **** fighting.

This goes way beyond geographical ignorance.

"I never heard of dog fighting around here in nearly 65 years," countered Newport News Mayor - and native - Joe Frank on Wednesday.

"... To suggest it's socially acceptable or culturally acceptable is absolutely untrue."

The mayor pointed out that Vick's hometown is a city of roughly 187,000, with a splendid university and several museums.

Sure, it's great sport to make fun of those who live in the South. And frankly, if there's one stereotype that's true, it's that those on this side of the Mason-Dixon Line know how to take a joke.

But no one's laughing about dog fighting.

On the contrary, there's widespread revulsion in these parts to the ghastly accounts of dogs that were beaten and electrocuted on Vick's property in Surry County.

If dog fighting were a local underground sport, you'd expect to find strong support for Michael Vick. That isn't the case.

Mayor Frank said he was reluctant to fuel a spat with a celebrity, but he noted that Whoopi Goldberg clearly didn't know much about Vick's town.

As a - dare I say it - Southern gentleman, the mayor politely suggested that Goldberg refrain from cultural stereotyping.

"I think comedians should stick with comedy."

Nicely put.

http://www.unboundedition.com/content/view/2262/50/

Whoopi Goldberg’s Racist Logic

Today, during her premiere on ABC’s “The View,” Whoopi Goldberg came to the defense of Michael Vick. Whether publicity stunt for ratings, genuinely held opinion, or spontaneous outpouring of stupidity, there’s a fundamental problem with Goldberg’s logic. It’s racist, at its core.
Like all Americans, she is entitled to her view and her voice. But the reasoning behind what she said has historic and current weight of which Goldberg should be more than aware. Whoopi excuses Michael Vick’s torture of animals by saying, "You know from his background this is not an unusual thing for where he comes from…There are certain things that are indicative to certain parts of our country.” Co-host Joy Behar challenged Goldberg, asking if dog torture and murder were OK. Goldberg replied, "Unfortunately it's part of the thing.” In short, Ms. Goldberg indicated that because Vick is from “the South” he has a different moral center. She said dog killing was mere “sport.”

In defending Vick’s universally reprehensible actions, Goldberg engaged in precisely the racist rhetoric that justified slavery for years. It is in the hearts of many who still live in the South. Too often we hear, “He doesn’t mean to be a racist, it’s just how he was brought up.” Or, “She’s from Alabama, and there is a different view of the world down there.” Excuses are made for the worst views and behaviors possible, all based on “they don’t know better” arguments. Goldberg excuses Vick, saying, "This is part of his cultural upbringing...This is a kid who comes from a culture when this is not questioned." This is a flimsy, weak-minded excuse for moral failing, in whatever form. I am from the South. I work in Atlanta. Should I have lower moral expectations for myself or my neighbors? Should I excuse any and all form of violence and hatred because of cultural geography?

Regardless of where we are from, regardless of how we were brought up, regardless of the lessons – good and bad – we are taught along the way, at some point each adult is responsible for his or her own mind. To vacate one’s morality because we are from “the South” doesn’t apply to any of us, black or white. And it doesn’t apply to dog fighting any more than it applies to racism. Cruelty is cruelty, in any form, and immoral in all of them. Ms. Goldberg surely knows this – or should know better.

Whoopi Goldberg owes the American people – especially African Americans – an apology for giving weight to the historically racist logic she used to defend the indefensible Michael Vick.



This story is starting to reach a ******** level and I have lost interest in discussing it any further.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/?pid=230194 (http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/?pid=230194)

Michael Vick Doesn't Need Your Help
Lakshmi Chaudhryvar

Watching the Michael Vick saga unfold over the past month has been a typically frustrating experience, as a woman, a person of color, and dog owner (or rather "pet guardian," as they insist upon in my oh-so PC hometown, San Francisco).

The entire nasty affair points to the ways in which any national "debate" – usually conducted by talking heads, lawyers, and a couple of celebrities on TV -- on race or gender in popular culture ends up mired in arguments that can at best be described as absurd, and at worst, damaging.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that we can't seem to bring ourselves to talk about, say an important issue like racism unless there is a low-life like O. J. Simpson or Michael Vick facing charges for some reprehensible crime. Is this really the ideal context for a conversation that requires open minds, compassion, awareness, and a strong desire to do right?

Then again, this is the kind of foolishness that pays for a cultural critic's supper. Here's my critique of the race-related interpretations made directly or indirectly in support of Michael Vick. One, his case is yet another example of a racist white media "lynching" a young black man for sins that would be more easily forgiven – or at least, less stridently covered and condemned -- in a white person. This version of the Vick defense was offered up (http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5h3e8h1__MZ5X1AR6wC8rFKoRS2Jw) by civil rights groups such as the NAACP.

Umm, I don't think so. I can't imagine PETA or any of the other animal rights groups being any less outraged if Tom Brady was involved. Whatever one's reservations about their politics, we can safely say these folks have shown little love for privileged white folks. And yes, Americans in general love their dogs, and they wouldn't be any less appalled at their torture just because the QB in question was white.

If there is anything racist about the response to Vick, it's the lack of surprise, as though we simply don't expect any better from a black man. If Tom Brady or Peyton Manning had been caught doing something similar, all of America would have been shocked, shocked, shocked. How could our golden white boy ever do something like this, and so on. It's the difference between our reaction to an inner-city school shooting and Columbine.

If that wasn't enough, this week brought us Whoopi Goldberg, who claimed (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/05/AR2007090502493.html) on The View that this kind of depraved behavior is part of Vick's "cultural conditioning" is not doing any service to her community, or the rest of us. Sure, she meant the culture of the rural South, but that's not how it's going to be interpreted in a culture already weighed down with stereotypes about brutal, violent black men.

If a white commentator had made that comment, many of us would be rightly offended at its suggestion – intended or otherwise -- that electrocuting dogs is somehow "normal" for some black folks. According to this Kansas City columnist (http://www.kansascity.com/273/story/249291.htm), a number of observers are already blaming Vick's crime on black ghetto/hip hop culture. I don't see anyone arguing that a white athlete is a "wonderful guy" who just didn't know using a "rape pole" to breed a dog was a bad thing. This again, should tell us something about cultural expectations.

Some of the best writing on the race angle in the Vick case comes from Atlanta-Journal Constitution columnist, Cynthia Tucker. Here is her take (http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/tucker/stories/2007/08/10/tucked_0812.html) on why it's a wrong-headed for black civil rights organizations to rally around the Michael Vick. And here (http://www.uexpress.com/asiseeit/?uc_full_date=20070801) is Tucker's far more nuanced argument about how media coverage of the Vick case does indeed point to a racial bias of a different kind.

Finally, there's the "unfair scrutiny" argument that deflects the issue from race to gender, as in: we get worked up about a little animal cruelty, but don't give a damn when the same men are accused of beating the crap out of their wives. The critique about NFL's wink-nudge attitude toward domestic violence is well-founded, but it is only undermined by any comparison to dog-fighting. I don't know of a single athlete accused of brutally torturing and killing a number of women for fun playing professional sports.

Certainly, colleagues of any player accused of beating up his wife would hardly be eager to get on TV and sing his praises – as so many of his team-mates did before Vick pleaded guilty. NFL"s locker-room culture is infamous for its misogyny and homophobia, but even athletes (or their PR reps) know where to draw the line in public. And would Whoopi declare Vick a "wonderful guy (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2007/09/05/2007-09-05_whoopi_goldberg_plays_down_dogfighting_o.html)" or blaming it on his cultural upbringing if he'd been beating his wife? I doubt it.

Bottomline, Whoopi herself is evidence that we have no problems distinguishing between animals and human beings: it is okay to kill one for food (and in many cases, even sport) and not the other. Besides, no one wins in this bizarre game of one upmanship between two equally repulsive crimes. What's the logic: if we only would turn a blind eye to dog-fighting, we'd be cracking down harder on domestic violence? I don't think so. And that goes for racism too. No reasonable person can think that treating Vick with greater clemency would mark a victory for race relations in this country.

To rephrase Freud, sometimes a jerk is just a jerk.

Whoopi Goldberg on Michael Vick:

"He's a wonderful guy who was involved in something terrible."


Does anyone agree with Whoopi?

Whoopi Goldberg on Michael Vick:

"He's a wonderful guy who was involved in something terrible."


Does anyone agree with Whoopi?


I certainly don't. "Wonderful" people don't start gambling rings and torture and kill animals.

Whoopi Goldberg on Michael Vick:

"He's a wonderful guy who was involved in something terrible."


Does anyone agree with Whoopi?
I don't and I'm tired of hearing that he made a mistake. Killing and torturing a defenseless animal is not a mistake. It's sadistic.

I even heard TO say yesterday that he thought Vick was still a nice guy. :rolleyes:

This story is starting to reach a ******** level and I have lost interest in discussing it any further.

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I'm with you on this one

Sure don't see any white people coming out defending him. Only seems to be blacks. I still say if it had been a white person these 3 would have kept their mouths shut.

:wave:

Excuse me, but don't loop blacks into it. I'm not defending him at all, I thought he was wrong as hell, so there goes your assumption!

This story is starting to reach a ******** level and I have lost interest in discussing it any further.

:lol:

I wouldn't use the word 'retarted' but more like "This crap is going no where" level.

Well, now Vick got caught with marijuana. What does Whoopi say now?

I get the feeling Whoopi would defend Satan if it was proven that he was black. She always plays the race card.

Well, now Vick got caught with marijuana. What does Whoopi say now?

I get the feeling Whoopi would defend Satan if it was proven that he was black. She always plays the race card.

How did she play the race card when the words black or white didn't even leave her mouth. It's others who are making it about race.

How did she play the race card when the words black or white didn't even leave her mouth. It's others who are making it about race.


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Thank you! I'm tired of people bitching about so and so is playing the race card when no one said anything about race. I don't remember Whoopi saying anything about race.

And how in the world is she always playing the race card, it's clear that the poster who wrote that didn't remember that her WHITE boyfriend Ted Danson showed up in BLACKFACE at the Friars club 14 years ago and she DEFENDED his actions:rolleyes: .

I see that there is more life in this topic.

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Thank you! I'm tired of people bitching about so and so is playing the race card when no one said anything about race. I don't remember Whoopi saying anything about race.

And how in the world is she always playing the race card, it's clear that the poster who wrote that didn't remember that her WHITE boyfriend Ted Danson showed up in BLACKFACE at the Friars club 14 years ago and she DEFENDED his actions:rolleyes: .

I could care less if it was Michael Vick or Peyton Manning, I know i would feel the same way. It has zero to do with black and white and every defense of Vick makes each defender look more and more absurd and ignorant.

It's indefensible and so take your medicine and don't pretend absolute enlightenment when you are caught. You've done dog fighting right up to now.

And Whoopie saying it's part of the culture or whatever- l don't care what culture that is, in America it's cruelty and punishable and speaks volumes about your perceptions of right and wrong.

Michael Vick should never play NFL football again.

I could care less if it was Michael Vick or Peyton Manning, I know i would feel the same way. It has zero to do with black and white and every defense of Vick makes each defender look more and more absurd and ignorant.

It's indefensible and so take your medicine and don't pretend absolute enlightenment when you are caught. You've done dog fighting right up to now.

And Whoopie saying it's part of the culture or whatever- l don't care what culture that is, in America it's cruelty and punishable and speaks volumes about your perceptions of right and wrong.

Michael Vick should never play NFL football again.

Um.. why are you responding to me? I'm not defending him, i'm tired of people saying that people(blacks)who are defending him are playing the race card. What you said to me has nothing to do with what I said.

Like I said before if this was a human being, this arguement wouldn't have enough passion like this one.

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Thank you! I'm tired of people bitching about so and so is playing the race card when no one said anything about race. I don't remember Whoopi saying anything about race.

And how in the world is she always playing the race card, it's clear that the poster who wrote that didn't remember that her WHITE boyfriend Ted Danson showed up in BLACKFACE at the Friars club 14 years ago and she DEFENDED his actions:rolleyes: .


Exactly, all I'm saying is that you can understand where a person is coming from, but you don't have to agree with their choices.

It's like with gang members, I can understand why some kids join gangs because they want a so called "Family" that they're lacking at home. But do I agree with gangs and their lifestyle? No. But I can understand their way of thinking.

That's all that Whoopie was saying, she didn't condone it but she could understand where he was coming from in Vicks morbid way of thinking. It has zero to do with race

Exactly, all I'm saying is that you can understand where a person is coming from, but you don't have to agree with their choices.

It's like with gang members, I can understand why some kids join gangs because they want a so called "Family" that they're lacking at home. But do I agree with gangs and their lifestyle? No. But I can understand their way of thinking.

That's all that Whoopie was saying, she didn't condone it but she could understand where he was coming from in Vicks morbid way of thinking. It has zero to do with race

^5. People have twisted Whoopi's words and has gone so far by saying she's playing the race card when she is the last person on earth to do so.

I like Whoopi, but she really lost me here. If her point was, this is part of Michael Vick's culture, so he doesn't know any better, then doesn't the fact that they were doing this underground imply they knew they were doing something wrong and illegal? She also indicated this is a part of Southern culture. Well I grew up in the South and lived there the first 25 years of my life, and all of my family still lives there, but I never, ever heard of such a thing as this dog fighting until the Michael Vick thing broke. So what South is she talking about?


LOL- Well I guess Whoopi wanted to start her debut off with some CONTROVERSIAL statements as she defends Micahel Vick by saying-"where he comes from dog fighting is not really that unusual" and that-"it's like cockfighting in Puerto Rico"

I haven't see it yet and won;t until I get home but I saw this story on nydailynews.com


I guess when it comes to TV shows, it's all about what the ratings/number look like-lol

I like Whoopi, but she really lost me here. If her point was, this is part of Michael Vick's culture, so he doesn't know any better, then doesn't the fact that they were doing this underground imply they knew they were doing something wrong and illegal? She also indicated this is a part of Southern culture. Well I grew up in the South and lived there the first 25 years of my life, and all of my family still lives there, but I never, ever heard of such a thing as this dog fighting until the Michael Vick thing broke. So what South is she talking about?


I live in the south also and I've heard about dog fights. It's nothing new

I live in the south also and I've heard about dog fights. It's nothing new Where in the south are you? I grew up in North Carolina and spent the greater part of my life there and I never heard of such a thing as dog fighting existing there.

Where in the south are you? I grew up in North Carolina and spent the greater part of my life there and I never heard of such a thing as dog fighting existing there.


Texas, it happens up north also. It's not just a southern thing

Texas, it happens up north also. It's not just a southern thing

How did you hear about this? I'm amazed that there are people who can be that cruel. Common sense and human decency should tell them it's wrong, and even if they don't have common sense or human decency, they know it's illegal, which is why they're doing it underground. There is simply no excuse for doing something so barbaric. It seems psychopathic, and cruelty to animals is one of the warning signs of psychopathy. I had a neighbor who used to do things to her cat, like put it in the dryer or try to flush it down the toilet. I can only imagine what kind of an adult she turned out to be. Scary! And her own sister, a great lover of animals, became a veterinarian! Go figure.