I've tried searching threads for info on these two cases but I have limited knowledge of them so it was in vain. Can you give me details about these two cases?

The first one was about the guy in Paducah, KY, who hung onto a airplane and fell to his death, he was unidentified at the time. Any news on who he was and what happened?

The second one, my details are even more vague, but I remember a picture of a blond dead man being shown and then he was later creamated and the family said it wasn't him or something along those lines. Sorry, I can't tell you more about this one, but I know we have some great UM buffs on here so please help me out!!!!!
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I've tried searching threads for info on these two cases but I have limited knowledge of them so it was in vain. Can you give me details about these two cases?

The first one was about the guy in Paducah, KY, who hung onto a airplane and fell to his death, he was unidentified at the time. Any news on who he was and what happened?

The second one, my details are even more vague, but I remember a picture of a blond dead man being shown and then he was later creamated and the family said it wasn't him or something along those lines. Sorry, I can't tell you more about this one, but I know we have some great UM buffs on here so please help me out!!!!!
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The first case was solved, I don't know the man's name tho. It has been discussed around here before, I believe he was ******** or ADHD or something...?

The second one kinda sounds like the "body switching" case of Dr Richard Boggs? Him and a partner killed another guy (I think his name was Melvin Green?) and switched his body for one of theirs to collect life insurnace. I can picture the dead guy with long blonde hair.

Well for the first one I think I actually read somewhere that they did identify him and was a young man who suffered from Schizophrenia and he actually believed he was being stalked, although it was all in his mind. A very sad case, anyone got some more on this?

I've tried searching threads for info on these two cases but I have limited knowledge of them so it was in vain. Can you give me details about these two cases?

The first one was about the guy in Paducah, KY, who hung onto a airplane and fell to his death, he was unidentified at the time. Any news on who he was and what happened?

The second one, my details are even more vague, but I remember a picture of a blond dead man being shown and then he was later creamated and the family said it wasn't him or something along those lines. Sorry, I can't tell you more about this one, but I know we have some great UM buffs on here so please help me out!!!!!
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The first one was eventually identified as Brian Stanley Deucker. He was apparently a diagnosed schizophrenic. Here's a webpage dedicated to him:

http://www.geocities.com/jcramsey_2000/jd.html

The second one involved Dr. Richard Boggs and John Hawkins. They are thought to have killed this innocent man to pass him off as Hawkins business partner (I'm thinking Henry Ellis Green may have been the name) in order to collect a life insurance policy. Dr. Boggs was arrested and Hawkins was eventually arrested in Italy I believe. This case was also made into a movie where Antonio Sabato Jr. played the role of John Hawkins. It was called "If Looks Could Kill: From The Files of America's Most Wanted". John Walsh even acted in the movie.

Yup, those are it, you guys are sooooooooooooo good! Thanks a lot!

(I'm thinking Henry Ellis Green may have been the name)

You are probably right, I think I got Melvin Green from that huge 400 pounder that organised a hit on his wife Anita in another case. Well done, but I'd still smash you at table tennis~ :lol:

Well done, but I'd still smash you at table tennis~ :lol:

In your dreams...:p

In your dreams...:p

"I'd drop you like a bag of dirt" :lol:

"I'd drop you like a bag of dirt" :lol:

Space Invaderz, I know others have said it, but that avatar is classic. Wherever did you find the picture? And have you ever seen the one of the kid using a dustbuster to vacuum a cat that has been tied down? I have it on my computer. Similarly bizarrely hilarious.

Space Invaderz, I know others have said it, but that avatar is classic. Wherever did you find the picture? And have you ever seen the one of the kid using a dustbuster to vacuum a cat that has been tied down? I have it on my computer. Similarly bizarrely hilarious.

Oh please don't give SI any more ideas on controversial avatars...he's doing a good job of finding them all by himself. :lol:

Haha, I got a whole bag full of controverisal avatars ;)
This pic is one of the many "0WN3D" ones around, there's another one I like which has a guy on a jetski..with a shark right behind him :lol:
N crystal, you didn't get the Seinfeld reference up there, I think you got <------0WN3D!! :cool:

N crystal, you didn't get the Seinfeld reference up there, I think you got <------0WN3D!! :cool:

Of course I got the Seinfeld reference right off...you're not dealing with an amateur. Another thing I'd beat you at....Seinfeld trivia. :p

"I'd drop you like a bag of dirt" :lol:

Well SI, with crystaldawn as I'm sure you know there is always that literacy issue in addition to her lack of proficiency at table tennis.

Well SI, with crystaldawn as I'm sure you know there is always that literacy issue in addition to her lack of proficiency at table tennis.

Not to worry, she's got no chance, she plays like a girl n wouldnt get into the first point without whinging about breaking a nail :grineyes:

Not to worry, she's got no chance, she plays like a girl n wouldnt get into the first point without whinging about breaking a nail :grineyes:

Typical, two males being jealous of women and all our amazing abilities. I have just one comment for SI and Dante....

:mooner:

Btw has anyone every watched that movie about John Hawkins? I hear that John Walsh's acting was just a little short of Oscar worthy. :)

Btw has anyone every watched that movie about John Hawkins? I hear that John Walsh's acting was just a little short of Oscar worthy. :)

I recorded it when it first came on as I remember the advertising copy mentioning that the case was on UM. I still have not watched it though.

Wasn't Walsh in another movie about Adam's abduction and murder?

I recorded it when it first came on as I remember the advertising copy mentioning that the case was on UM. I still have not watched it though.

Wasn't Walsh in another movie about Adam's abduction and murder?

Yes there was a movie called "Adam". I just looked it up on IMDb. Don't you find it strange that Daniel J. Travanti played John Walsh in the movie and then John Walsh played a character named John Boston? The producers must have not had a whole lot of faith in Walsh's acting ability for the lead role.

As far as the John Hawkins movie, I'd watch that just to see Antonio Sabato, Jr. :D

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..Space Invaderz starts this way :liplick:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Boggs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Boggs


That's great. Thanks James!

The first one was eventually identified as Brian Stanley Deucker. He was apparently a diagnosed schizophrenic. Here's a webpage dedicated to him:

http://www.geocities.com/jcramsey_2000/jd.html

The second one involved Dr. Richard Boggs and John Hawkins. They are thought to have killed this innocent man to pass him off as Hawkins business partner (I'm thinking Henry Ellis Green may have been the name) in order to collect a life insurance policy. Dr. Boggs was arrested and Hawkins was eventually arrested in Italy I believe. This case was also made into a movie where Antonio Sabato Jr. played the role of John Hawkins. It was called "If Looks Could Kill: From The Files of America's Most Wanted". John Walsh even acted in the movie.


Is that the only info on Brian Stanley Deucker? No pics of him or any explanation as to why he did what he did?

Is that the only info on Brian Stanley Deucker? No pics of him or any explanation as to why he did what he did?

Well some of the other links that had been posted to the board in the past seem to be inactive. If I can find any more of him, I'll post them. :)

Well some of the other links that had been posted to the board in the past seem to be inactive. If I can find any more of him, I'll post them. :)

Here is an article with some more info on his case:

Paducah, Ky.'s 'John Doe' was somebody's beloved son

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From NewsDesk <NewsDesk@UMCOM.UMC.ORG>
Date 06 Aug 1999 13:35:58


Aug. 6, 1999 News media contact: Thomas S. McAnally*(615)742-5470*Nashville,
Tenn. 10-21-71BP{410}

NOTE: A photograph is available for use with this story.

A UMNS News Feature
By Cathy Farmer*

John Doe was somebody's son.

The young man - handsome and athletic -- tried to talk a ticket agent at
Barkley Regional Airport near Paducah, Ky., into swapping a leather bomber
jacket for a plane ticket out West. Told by the agent "that's not the way it
works," he scaled the fence around the airfield, chased and caught the
undercarriage of a plane as it taxied down the runway and hung on until it
reached an altitude of 300 feet. Then he fell to his death. The date was
Sept. 30, 1991.

"John Doe" had no identification. McCracken County coroner Jerry Beyer,
called to the scene, was determined to find his family.

"I autopsied the young man, fingerprinted him and took pictures," said
Beyer, a member of Paducah's Concord United Methodist Church. "Then I
embalmed him so we could keep his body as long as possible. I wanted to find
his family. I have children of my own, and I know I'd want to know what
happened to them."

Beyer entered John Doe's fingerprints on the National Crime Information
Computer, hoping to get a match. He urged the local newspaper, The Paducah
Sun, to run stories. But there were no nibbles.

After a year, Beyer and his pastor, the Rev. Joe Geary, arranged a memorial
service for the man the whole community now called "our" John Doe.

"It was a struggle to know what to say," admitted Geary, pastor of Concord
Church at the time. "The challenge was to do a meaningful Christian service
when you knew nothing about the person. I eventually chose a passage from
Leviticus where God calls upon the children of Israel to welcome the
stranger, the alien at their gate." The verse was appropriate. Paducah did
welcome this stranger, adopting him as one of their own.

"We didn't bury him in a pauper's grave," Beyer said. "A grave site was
donated at Oak Grove Cemetery." Everything for the burial was donated
including a large monument engraved with his story and the name John Doe.

Claudia Speed, one of the local florists, sent a casket spray of red roses.
On the card she wrote, "From your mother. I know she cares." Speed's own son
had died the year before. The hundreds who attended the memorial service to
say good-bye did not forget him as the years went by. Every year, on the
anniversary of his death, flowers would appear on the grave under the big
tree.

Beyer didn't give up. "We don't accept defeatism around here," he declared.
"I don't like to be a loser." For almost eight years, he kept searching. He
even managed to get the case on the "Unsolved Mysteries" TV show in 1992.
"We had over 300 calls from people looking for a loved one," he said, "but
none of them were our John Doe."

When the show was rebroadcast in 1997, it was seen by Dee Duecker, the wife
of a United Methodist pastor in Edenton, Ohio, just outside Cincinnati.
Duecker and her husband Gerald were searching for their missing 28-year-old
son, Brian Stanley Duecker. Brian disappeared
on Sept. 26, 1991.

"I called, but they told me it wasn't Brian," Dee Duecker said. "The
description didn't match completely. But somehow, I just knew it was him. It
stayed in the back of my mind."

Beyer continued to work the case and prodded Paducah Sun reporter Bill
Bartleman to write another story on John Doe. Bartleman added the stories to
his personal Internet Web site. That's where Dee Duecker found them a few
weeks ago.

"I did a search for information about the Paducah airport death," she said.
"That's when I found Bill's story." She sent him an e-mail requesting
information.

"She had a picture of her stepson on her own Web site," said Bartleman. "I
took it to Jerry Beyer. We felt sure it was our John Doe."

A search was made for Brian's fingerprints. The match with was perfect.
Paducah's John Doe had a name and a family.

"We spent so many years trying to find Brian," said Gerald Duecker. "We were
relieved. It was difficult to lose him but it was so comforting to know that
he was adopted by the community, that he had a Christian burial.

"Brian was schizophrenic," he explained. "He saw nothing as impossible. I'm
sure he thought he could jump on that plane and ride it out west."
The Duecker family visited Brian's grave in Paducah in June and promised to
come back Sept. 18, bringing another headstone with Brian's real name on it.
They expressed gratitude for the whole town taking their son into their
hearts.

They also visited Concord Church with Beyer. The current pastor, the Rev.
Barry Scott, said the Dueckers asked him to thank the congregation. "They
said they were overwhelmed with how kind everyone had been."
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*Farmer is communications director of the United Methodist Church's Memphis
Annual Conference. This story first appeared in the conference edition of
the United Methodist Reporter.

Of course I got the Seinfeld reference right off...you're not dealing with an amateur. Another thing I'd beat you at....Seinfeld trivia. :p

...not that there's anything wrong with that, right, Crystaldawn? ;)

John Walsh as a bad actor? SHOCKING. :eek:

Haha, I got a whole bag full of controverisal avatars ;)

I liked most of those images beetlejuice used to attach to their posts. LOL moments. What happened to that poster, btw?

Thanks for the article CD. :)