Who are some people that were interviewed on the show that you just didn't like? I'm not necessarily talking about people you think are guilty, but just those who got on you nerves for one reason or another. Here are some of mine.

Jimmy Aprille: This is one of the stories never aired on Lifetime. Jimmy's wife Melvine wiped out his funds and kidnapped their two children. But something about Jimmy's interview bothered me. He seemed very smug and showed little (if any) emotion. I don't if it was just me, but his attitude made it hard for me to feel too sorry for him. Luckily, his wife and children were eventually found.

Michael W. Anderson: Cindy Anderson's father. He smiled throughout the interview and didn't seem overly concerned with his daughter's disappearance. Everyone in the segment (the detectives, Cindy's sister Christine, her friend Terri and one of the clients from the law office where Cindy worked as a secretary) all seemed to think that Cindy was being stalked. Mr. Anderson never even mentioned that theory and seemed to have one of his own; Cindy had been skipping meals to keep her figure and spend a lot of time applying makeup and "that may have been part of the problem". That makes no sense. If anything, she sounds like any other 20-yr-old woman with a serious boyfriend who wants to look especially good for him. Mr. Anderson's nonchalant attitude just turns my stomach.

Mickey Jackson: Lauren Jackson's father. I hated the way he kept putting Lauren's mom Christina down!

Huey Littleton: Pam Ellender's self-righteous father. I realize he suffered a terrible loss when his daughter and son-in-law were murdered, but he took things way too far when he started pulling "witnesses" out of the woodwork and came up with outlandish theories about how a group of young satanists killed Eric and Pam and partied hearty in their house. :rolleyes:

Can anyone think of any others?

^ Cynthia Anderson's father was creepy, did you notice he just kept smiling in this very bizarre way like he was just awfully amused with himself. Certainly not the reaction one would expect from a man whose daughter had been missing around a decade by that point.

As for Huey Littleton well he says it himself about the murderers something like: "Where is their compassion?, where are their souls?, will someone please get this bible unstuck from my ass?"

Some others who I didn't like that much would have to be Detective Dennis Wheatly and of course Judge Robert Corlew from Murfeesboro, Tennessee.

Cynthia Anderson's father was creepy, did you notice he just kept smiling in this very bizarre way like he was just awfully amused with himself. Certainly not the reaction one would expect from a man whose daughter had been missing around a decade by that point.


I didn't like this guy at all either. He took a cheap shot at his daugther and barely seemed like he cared what happened.

Oh, good question unsolved88. I agree with all the names mentioned so far, but who's Detective Dennis Wheatly? Offhand, I would add Jule Caylor, and the prosecutors for the Larry Race, Stuart Heaton and Glen Consagra statements. Those particular prosecutors were too arrogant IMO. Oh, and that Michael Delano Floyd who, when asked where is son Michael Hughes is, replies "it's none of your damn business where he's at." Oh, and Jerry Strickland claiming that all they had was "circlestantiave evidence" was a roll your eyes moment.

Yes, Cindy's father just rubbed me the wrong way. I think it is because of his rather smug, carefree attitude. I am not making fun when I say this, but I think it is because he probably just thinks she is with God now or something so maybe he is comfortable and at ease?

I just think regardless his behavior was very odd, however from what he said, he kind of views Cindy as a black sheep of the family all because she put make up on and actually wanted to look better, presumably for her boyfriend.

It just seemed that while she was planning on going to a bible college that she was the more liberal one of the family and her father from the sounds of it did not like this.

I agree on some of those piece of work prosecutors. Some were alright, others not so good, the ones in the Larry Race case, Stuart Heaton and Tommy Ziegler's case are the top three I can think of. Jeffrey Ashton who was the prosecutor intervewed in the Ziegler segment, was a real piece of work, shooting everything down and spinning everything with no real evidence to back him up.

LOL. I'm beating several people to the punch when I say this, but I can think of several "concerned husbands" who came off as pretty darn insincere in the UM segments:

1. PAUL POLLIS-- Duh. We all know how I (and several others) feel about him and his desire for an obsessively clean house.

2. STEPHEN MARFEO-- The fact that he committed a murder-suicide in the last day of his life makes me wonder if he didn't kill his wife as well.

3. MARK NICHOLS-- WHO remembers EVERYTHING their wife took out of the closet... seriously?

4. CHAD NOE-- Nevermind the fact that I think he was totally involved in the disappearance of Wendy Camp. I just don't like him. Period.

Hey CRicci, well I agree on those 4 however I will say out of those 4 in my opinion Stephen Marfeo is the most likeable by far out of the 4 or at least the least dislikeable out of the four. I remember the very first time I saw that segment I actually thought he was innocent until I saw that little update at the end which the first time I saw the segment made my jaw drop. However I dont know what it is about Marfeo, I still dont dislike him even though I think he probably killed his wife.

Stephen Marfeo was a lowlife.

Well maybe, but I was just saying, I didnt look at him and have this strong dislike of him. I said before I knew about the other killing, he was even likeable. Maybe he was a "lowlife" however I was just saying that he was the least dislikeable out of the four that CRicci had listed, in my opinion of course.

I thought Martha Roberts' husband looked quite scary :eek:

Here are my picks, off the top of my head of course:

Jenny Pratt's mom

Judge Robert Corlew (he wasn't interviewed though, was he?)

Paul Pollis

Oh yeah, who is this Cindy Anderson's dad who is highly disliked? I don't remember the case!

Number 1 - Jule Caylor. No question.

After him, I'd say... Larry Gibson, Paul Pollis, the prosecutor in the Patricia Stallings case, and that utterly clueless couple who were Crystal Spencer's neighbours.

Number 1 - Jule Caylor. No question.

After him, I'd say... Larry Gibson, Paul Pollis, the prosecutor in the Patricia Stallings case, and that utterly clueless couple who were Crystal Spencer's neighbours.

Oh yeah HyeTev, how could I forget Crystal Spencer's neighbors?!?!? I know everytime I hear blood-curdling screams and sounds of torture I throw a pillow over my head; I mean honestly, who wants to get involved in that?:lol: :mad:

Mr Wacker.

Mr Wacker.

Here we go again :lol: You're not AKook are you? ;)

Here we go again :lol: You're not AKook are you? ;)
lol...I dunno. I kinda liked The Wackers. :)


I didn't like Jule Caylor. Just very smug, nonchalant attitude. I don't know how Dottie because I woulda either left or put a frying pan upside Jule's head and never looked back.

Chad Noe and Chad Noe's grandmother...Chad is not even worth words in my opinion but that grandmother...what a shrew and that wasn't even the word I wanted to use!

I don't remember the young man's name but he was the college kid who was found at the bottom of a stairwell dead after he'd been missing for like a week. Anyway, I think it was the sheriff who was the one who disagreed with the pathologist about the cause of death. What got under my skin when this sheriff/law enforcement guy said something to the effect of: "Oh he could have hit his head on the way down and fallen in such a way that something could have broken his fall...hence to explain why there were no broken bones. YOU'D BE SURPRISED AT SOME OF THE THINGS I'VE SEEN DRUNKS DO". To me, that was an unnecessary and cruel comment to make. What an @ss!

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Jim Harrison. "Susan, you're being bad again!" I couldn't stand him!

lol...I dunno. I kinda liked The Wackers. :)

Well, I didn't mean that you are "a kook", I was referring to a banned poster who went by the name AKook, he seemed to have some kind of deep personal hatred towards the Wackers, which he expressed whenever he got a chance.

How about that weird lady that was describing the sea creature she saw in the water...I swear, she must've been stoned or something. The name of the sea creature was "Champ" and might be related to the Lochness Monster.

LOL! Susan... you're being BAD again....

Jule Caylor tops the list for me. How any woman could want that man astounds me. He came off as extremely arrogant and cavemanish to me not to mention, he's not remotely attractive!

Missy Munday's mother comes in second. Granted I'm not a parent but when I do become one, I'd hope that I'd be able to see my children for what they are. She grated my last nerve whenever she talked about Missy. "Missy would never lie..." "Missy never did that..." "Missy wasn't that kind of girl.." I wanted to reach through my screen and shake her! Stop defending her!! She was just as guilty as Strickland in my book.

The boss from the Bonnie Wilder episode....okay, I get that she was pissed that Bonnie conned her and everyone else there. Some of her comments rubbed me the wrong way when she described Bonnie as looking like someone who worked in a cafeteria or how she's surprised she hasn't been found yet because she's a hard woman to miss. I don't know. She gave off very snobby vibes to me. I think she seemed more ticked that she got ripped off by some fat woman who seemed beneath her if anything.

Missy Munday's mother comes in second. Granted I'm not a parent but when I do become one, I'd hope that I'd be able to see my children for what they are. She grated my last nerve whenever she talked about Missy. "Missy would never lie..." "Missy never did that..." "Missy wasn't that kind of girl.." I wanted to reach through my screen and shake her! Stop defending her!! She was just as guilty as Strickland in my book.



Well, she may have been guilty, but she wasn't no whore! :lol:

I actually hold Missy's family accountable for a lot of what went on with her and Strickland. Yes we need to hold Missy herself accountable too but what type of parent allows her teenage daughter to get involved with a guy like Strickland, let alone leave the state with him?

Didn't they make any effort to track Missy down or get her to come home? - Some of the comments that Missy's mother makes are so stupid they don't even bear mention. I don't care how oblivious this woman is, a sixteen year old girl does not wake up one morning and decide to run off with a man twice her age. There had to be some warning signs there that Missy's life was going down the wrong path and I think her family just shined her on.

This is beared out by the comments Missy's friends made and some of the comments that were published in articles about the case. The whole incident with Strickland and Elmer was just "waiting to happen" in my opinion.

Lots of ground to cover:

Corlew was interviewed, albeit briefly. The only thing he talked about was his immensely weak explanation for handing the Baskin children over to the Maples (can you tell I hate this guy?)

Yeah, the prosecutor in the Stallings case was another one of those "I'm 100% positive their guilty ones" Ping. At least he apologized, I'll give him a little credit for that.

Crystal Spencer's male neighbor: Man, I wanted to smack that guy back into a time when his haircut was popular. :lol: Jeez, pal, if you were in that situation, wouldn't you have wanted people to call 911 for you instead of hide under the covers?

I'm not sure I would hold Missy's mother completely accountable. I got the impression she didn't care too much for Strickland. But there's limitations on what you can do as a parent. She couldn't monitor Missy 24/7, and when Missy ran off with him, she did it without her mother knowing.

Missy Munday's mother comes in second. Granted I'm not a parent but when I do become one, I'd hope that I'd be able to see my children for what they are. She grated my last nerve whenever she talked about Missy. "Missy would never lie..." "Missy never did that..." "Missy wasn't that kind of girl.." I wanted to reach through my screen and shake her! Stop defending her!! She was just as guilty as Strickland in my book.

Totally agree. Missy's mother seemed to come off as a passive enabler. She could have done more to keep her away from Strickland, IMO.

I liked the way the Michigan cop said she was as guilty as he was and that he wanted them BOTH. She should have gone to the big house too.

Adamn Hecht's brother, sister and mom. I think an interview with "Tony" would have been far more interesting.

Adamn Hecht's brother, sister and mom. I think an interview with "Tony" would have been far more interesting.

I swear to God I was two seconds from posting that. The mom's fake Brit accent and the snob brother typlify everything wrong with the rich in "the valley" on LA, on a Paris Hilton kind of level.

I didn't necessarily not like this guy, but he drove me nuts and cracked me up at the same time. Was it the rapper whose baby was abducted or something like that....you know the guy that said "Ya know what I'm sayin?" fifty million times in one conversation. I counted it last time it was on, but damn I can't remember the exact count!!!!!!!

I swear to God I was two seconds from posting that. The mom's fake Brit accent and the snob brother typlify everything wrong with the rich in "the valley" on LA, on a Paris Hilton kind of level.

I actually liked the brother, I thought he was hilarious how his voice changed to almost a dramatic whisper at times - it was hilarious. The mother and sister were first rate jackasses though

I didn't necessarily not like this guy, but he drove me nuts and cracked me up at the same time. Was it the rapper whose baby was abducted or something like that....you know the guy that said "Ya know what I'm sayin?" fifty million times in one conversation. I counted it last time it was on, but damn I can't remember the exact count!!!!!!!


LOL. Latham Williams. I was JUST watching that segment as well! The "You know what I'm saying" really drove me NUTS... but more so this time because I knew it was coming.

...You know what I'm sayin'? ;)

LOL. Latham Williams. I was JUST watching that segment as well! The "You know what I'm saying" really drove me NUTS... but more so this time because I knew it was coming.

...You know what I'm sayin'? ;)


Did you count them, CRicci? He just keeps saying "You know what I'm sayin'"! Can you even keep up with it! :lol: :lol:

One I didn't like was I think her first name was Susan Groesinger. You know, the one who allegedly killed her man because she was in a lesbian affair. It was so annoying because, I mean she was stoned or something and you knew she was lying, and she never got arrested!

Her name was actually Judy Groezinger.

Another one I didn't care for was Dennis Walker's co-worker at the sports memoribilia store. (Was it called Hall of Fame?) When discussing Dennis's decision to hide all of the memoribilia just as the authorities were catching on to him, the jerk said "I was all for gettin' it out of there just so that the state couldn't get their (he used a racial epiphet here that I don't feel comfortable mentioning) hands on it" What a jerk. He strikes me as on of those intolerant types, and assisted in the stealing of one of the best sports collections of all time. I was really into baseball at the time, but I wouldn't have wanted to visit this store, not with those loonies running it.

Did anybody else think this guy was a jerk?

Well, I dont know that I thought he was. This wont be popular with people, but I actually agreed with what the guy said. I mean I can understand why he wouldnt be exactly thrilled about the state wanting to come in and take his stuff not because they really care about the people that were ripped off but because they wanted to make some money.

I am assuming you are referring to when he said "I didnt want the state to get their cotton-picking hands on it" ? Well, honestly when I heard that, I didnt even really think racism, now that I think about it more I guess in our politically correct modern society it was a "racist" remark. I guess you would have to ask the guy to see what he really was implying like that. I didnt really think to much about what he said, it didnt bother me that much. But that is just my opinion.

I believe someone here earlier, blamed Missy Munday's family for what happened with her and Jerry Strickland. Well, no doubt the Munday's could have done more, but I dont feel they are that much to blame. She was 16 years old at the time, it isnt exactly easy to keep a kid like that under wraps. Her parents from the best I could tell did not like Jerry Strickland and felt he was bad news. They didnt know she was involved with Jerry Strickland until after the fact and her parents as best as I could tell had no idea she was going to up and leave with Jerry Strickland like she did.

Well, I dont know that I thought he was. This wont be popular with people, but I actually agreed with what the guy said. I mean I can understand why he wouldnt be exactly thrilled about the state wanting to come in and take his stuff not because they really care about the people that were ripped off but because they wanted to make some money.

I agree in the best case scenerio, Walker should've sold off his stuff to a big collector and used the money he recieved to pay back his investors. The thing is, being an avid baseball fan - I am still trying to figure out more than twenty years after the fact what happened to Walker's collection.

The best I can think of is Walker did sell it off before he died (due to some of it turning up and being sold in other parts of the country) but whomever aquired it, got stuck with a ton of junk (valuable junk but junk nonetheless) because they can't display it publically nor venture to turn a profit from it due to the fact that the authorities put it out there that "any item from Dennis Walker's collection is viewed as stolen goods and anyone who traffics in such items could be prosecuted". If my hunch is correct, then if I was a big time collector who paid Walker a considerable amount of money for his sports collection - I would keep it as under wraps as possible for fear that the state of Oregon would try to confiscate it.

So if the sports treasures are still "missing" in my opinion although the whole mess started with Dennis Walker, the people who are keeping these items from being appreciated by baseball fans right now is the state of Oregon due to their edict. As a huge baseball fan, this case has always made me kinda ill.

So to answer your question wiseguy: I think Sandy Sanders for what its worth was right on the money with his intelligent remark about keeping the state out of the whole mess. Speaking strictly as a collector of many things, the last thing that a collector wants is for the state to get their hands on his collection (whether it be baseball memoribilia, rare records or whatever) because you'll likely never see it again which is what Sanders I believe was alluding to here.

Regarding the case of "Bonnie Wilder". The woman who hired her also made a few remarks that made my :rolleyes: . She kept going on about how a woman her size cannot get lost in a big city... and this is a big city ! Seriously!

We need a tiebreaking vote. Anyone?

Hafta agree with you on this one. It was stolen property and the guy who wanted to shield it from the state was in the wrong. The racial epithet was out of line too. Just my opinion. :)

Regarding the case of "Bonnie Wilder". The woman who hired her also made a few remarks that made my :rolleyes: . She kept going on about how a woman her size cannot get lost in a big city... and this is a big city ! Seriously!
I said that too. Understandably, she was upset that this woman conned her. She seemed to be more occupied with the fact she was fat if anything. Con artists come in all shapes and sizes, lady!

How about Pat Snee...I think she was a little full of herself with that statement about Danny being madly in love with her. I mean come on she was a halfway attractive lady but geez...

How about Pat Snee...I think she was a little full of herself with that statement about Danny being madly in love with her. I mean come on she was a halfway attractive lady but geez...
You mean, Danny Wheeler...brother of Mr. Just by Coincidence....Just by Coicidence????? What a character! But I have to agree with you (and Sammy) about Pat....lol

thank you very much HyeTev! :wave:

:wave:

People who rip off others like that rub me the wrong way. Just like those who run 'home improvement' scams - think UM had a case like that - and those who prey on the elderly and disabled. :mad:

Well hyetev, wiseguy and I werent disagreeing about the stolen property part, we were disagreeing a bout the state getting it back. While you and wiseguy have your right to your opinions, I do not understand how you could get race out of what that guy said and take offense to it when he wasnt talking about race at all. He said "I didnt want the state getting their cotton picking hands on it." When he said this he was referring to the baseball memorabilia collection, race had nothing to do with the matter. I know you are thinking that because he said cotton picking he must have been referring to black slaves who worked as cotton pickers however race simply had nothing to do with that conversation.

Well hyetev, wiseguy and I werent disagreeing about the stolen property part, we were disagreeing a bout the state getting it back. While you and wiseguy have your right to your opinions, I do not understand how you could get race out of what that guy said and take offense to it when he wasnt talking about race at all. He said "I didnt want the state getting their cotton picking hands on it." When he said this he was referring to the baseball memorabilia collection, race had nothing to do with the matter. I know you are thinking that because he said cotton picking he must have been referring to black slaves who worked as cotton pickers however race simply had nothing to do with that conversation.

Well I'm still very confident that I am correct on this subject, but it's a sensitive issue so I think we should just drop it. You and I disagree on several things, and we are only going to get into another argument if we continue.

Well I am equally as confident I am correct but you are right, since we dont agree and since neither of us will change our minds it is meaningless to continue arguing whether there is or isnt anything to take offense to.

I think some people already mentioned Cynthia Anderson's dad, I just watched that segment again last night and just got a creepy feeling from him and it just made me think that maybe she decided to disappear voluntarily because of pressure from her family. :eek:

Also the police chief who was interviewed in the Kathy Bonderson segment came off as very arrogant IMO.

I think some people already mentioned Cynthia Anderson's dad, I just watched that segment again last night and just got a creepy feeling from him and it just made me think that maybe she decided to disappear voluntarily because of pressure from her family. :eek:

Also the police chief who was interviewed in the Kathy Bonderson segment came off as very arrogant IMO.

Yeah, Cindy's dad seemed a bit 'out there' to me. Personally, I am now leaning more towards the 'she staged her own disappearance' angle. Of course, there is absolutely zero 'hard' evidence to support my belief - only hunches. :confused:

The sheriff in the Bonderson case seemed like a decent guy but he was so wrong on what happened. The NDHP cop was right on in his assessment.

Yeah, Cindy's dad seemed a bit 'out there' to me. Personally, I am now leaning more towards the 'she staged her own disappearance' angle. Of course, there is absolutely zero 'hard' evidence to support my belief - only hunches. :confused:

Me too, and that never even crossed my mind before, oh well, maybe better to continue that discussion on the more suitable "Any Thoughts On Cindy Anderson?" thread :lol:

yeah, the police officer who was 100% sure it was an "accident" wasn't my favorite person either. I'm never a huge fan of these people that are 100% sure. in this case, he was 100% wrong. :lol:

ididn'tdoit, who is that in your avatar? I wanna say Tony Ballesteros from the David Stone segment, but I'm not sure.

yeah, the police officer who was 100% sure it was an "accident" wasn't my favorite person either. I'm never a huge fan of these people that are 100% sure. in this case, he was 100% wrong. :lol:

ididn'tdoit, who is that in your avatar? I wanna say Tony Ballesteros from the David Stone segment, but I'm not sure.

That's Captain Fred Rubio, Las Cruces Police dept. He was interviewed in the Bowling Alley Massacre segment. Kind of a cool Andy Sipowicz feeling over him I think :)

I swear to God I was two seconds from posting that. The mom's fake Brit accent and the snob brother typlify everything wrong with the rich in "the valley" on LA, on a Paris Hilton kind of level.

I totally forgot about Adam Hecht's family. They acted as if Adam didn't even have the right to take an interest in someone who wasn't part of the upper tax bracket. I wouldn't be surprised Adam grew sick of his mother's hoity-toity accent, his over-dramatic brother and Goth-esque sister and decided to "lose himself" among mainstream society.

The Eric Tamiyasu case. That guy Don Dixon was pretty strange. It made me wonder if he was actually involved.

This thread is hilarious!

I was thinking about the prosecutor in the Stallings case, and someone beat me to it. But I totally I agree. I loved his comment about sending the jury "on a wild goose chase." What a jerk.

Here is something different: I know it sounds mean, but when I watched the Nyleen Kay Marshall segment, I was rubbed the wrong way a bit by the comment her mother made about looking for Nyleen when she's out at amusement parks, airports, resorts...I thought, "Come on, lady, how often are you at resorts and airports? Are you that filthy rich??"

I know it's awful but I couldn't help it....shame on me :p

I would think Cindy Anderson's dad was a little 'off' in the segment interview.

I thought some of the remarks toward the end caught me off gaurd, like him believing his daughter is alive and well and that the door is always open. Like someone mentioned, he could've been referring to 'alive and well', at peace with God maybe? But, I thought he meant somewhere on Earth. And, he seemed so 'happy' and non-chalant about the whole episode, though.

He never mentioned the 'I LOVE YOU CINDY' painted on the wall, either.
In the segment at the beginning it mentioned they were all devout Fundementalists. Maybe he think she's just at peace or maybe he thinks she left voluntarily. Then there's the scene in the novel she left for her collegues at her office. The heroin being abducted a knifepoint, the most violent scene in the novel, I believe.

I just don't think if the father thought she was abducted and murdered he wouldn't seem so non-chalant.

I just think maybe he 1) either knows she's at peace in the next plane or 2) staged her own dissappearence and is living somewhere else.

What do you guys think?

kadrmas15 - You and I had the exact opposite reaction regarding Stephen Marfeo. I hated him more than all the others put together after watching his smug interview. Then upon hearing what the detective on the case had to say about the letters sent to the police having to have come from someone from his family just clinched my loathing for his self absorption. I was fully convinced of his guilt and I found it even more contemptuous that he was sending "anonymous" letters to the police trying to downgrade his wife's memory. The ultimate clincher though was that wispy, wistful gaze out the window, he does at the end of the segment. He's there...acting as if he's holding a vigil at the back door waiting for his wife to come running up at any moment, all while daintily holding his cup of General Foods International Coffee...I swear I heard celebrate the moments of your life in the background somewhere.

Adam hecht's mom pissed me off because I always thought she was trying too hard to act in the reenactment part. And that's just creepy. Your son's missing lady...you're supposed to recreate the moment a homeless whackadoo tried to molest you in your missing son's apartment, this isn't your big break or something you can put on a resume.

unsolved88 & DarkDante: I feel more sorry for Huey Littleton than I dislike him, although, DD, I laughed heartily at your comment. How can you dislike someone who uses the word "furrow"? I understand that he's a pain in the ass for the cops and he's brought out some ridonkuloid conspiracy theories, with the help of some seemingly bored teenagers who could have been extras out of Deliverance, but he probably feels like if he stops invesgtigating then he's letting down the memory of his daughter and son-in-law. I feel for that.


On the completely opposite end of that spectrum, I have no feelings of empathy for, and actually got bothered by the attitude and statements of, the family and friend of Tony Lombardi. I've said a couple of times in different threads that I have a lot written about how this case is so obviously a suicide and how much I am bothered by the mom but I've never been happy with the tone of what I've written. I don't want to come out and completely eviscerate these people who've lost a loved one, because I do sympathize for their loss - I honestly do, but their absolute refusal to acknowledge what I think has been made blatantly obvious irks me. Adding that to the antogonizing tone of their interviews, the apparent celebration of some very questionable activities byt Tony, and their accusations against what I have no reason to doubt was adequate police work, all add up to me wishing the mom would shut her yapper and the friend would get exposed as a liar.

He wasn't innervriewed, because I think he was dead, but the all time "evil authority figure" I'd love to throw ritten eggs and tomatoes at was Police Chief Aldo Goburri(sp) for his nefarious involvement and corrupt influence in whatever happened to (i'm drawing a damned blank, dammit)

Another person interviewed that i found I didn't care for is Rosemary Levi,the mother of the little girl who's teachers thought might be Nyleen Kay Marshall. Thankfully Rosemary and her daughter were reuinited, I can't imagine what that must have been like for her, however I cannot stand folks like her who go on and on about how their good fortune was part of God's plan and that them being reunited was "A miracle" (her words).

So what...God HATES Nyleen Kay Marshall and her family? Was it a miracle when the children went missing? Why would the reuniting be a miracle? Why wasn't it because of the events depicted on the segment? Was it a miracle that you stayed living with, and kept your daughter in the same house with, a man with obvious psychosis?

She doesn't thank the teachers who were alerted to John Lennon's odd behavior, she didn't thank the FBI agents who investigated the man, nor did she thank the show that featured the Nyleen segment that was the instigator of all of it. Most glaring of all though...she makes no mention the Marshall family nor any sympathy for them.

But the way she looks at it, the sole reason Nyleen was abducted, and is still missing, was to set a series of happenings in motion that led to her own daughter being found.

I know Steve Marfeo's been mentioned but I have to say his mullet and "porn" mustache really got on my nerves! Plus, his attitude was just creepy!

Wayne Hecker (Tara Breckenridge's boyfriend)

Paul Pollis' mother and her 'butter wouldn't melt in my mouth' attitude. The same with Ida Prewett.

Steve Page (Kathy Page's husband)

Bonnie Haim's father. It's understandable that some people will be in denial about the circumstances of loved one's disappearance, but the dad seemed under-concerned, if anything. In the interview, he seemed more concerned with denying the inconsistencies in the disappearance rather than making any appeal for his daughter to contact them or have anyone else provide information about her.

Another person interviewed that i found I didn't care for is Rosemary Levi,the mother of the little girl who's teachers thought might be Nyleen Kay Marshall. Thankfully Rosemary and her daughter were reuinited, I can't imagine what that must have been like for her, however I cannot stand folks like her who go on and on about how their good fortune was part of God's plan and that them being reunited was "A miracle" (her words).

So what...God HATES Nyleen Kay Marshall and her family? Was it a miracle when the children went missing? Why would the reuniting be a miracle? Why wasn't it because of the events depicted on the segment? Was it a miracle that you stayed living with, and kept your daughter in the same house with, a man with obvious psychosis?

She doesn't thank the teachers who were alerted to John Lennon's odd behavior, she didn't thank the FBI agents who investigated the man, nor did she thank the show that featured the Nyleen segment that was the instigator of all of it. Most glaring of all though...she makes no mention the Marshall family nor any sympathy for them.

But the way she looks at it, the sole reason Nyleen was abducted, and is still missing, was to set a series of happenings in motion that led to her own daughter being found.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who found Ms. Levi's overly-grateful attitude toward God a bit annoying. When I first watched this case on volume 12, I thought to myself "I think this woman forgets the Unsolved Mysteries didn't have to air Nyleen's case to begin with and set this whole turn of events in motion!"

I'm glad I'm not the only one who found Ms. Levi's overly-grateful attitude toward God a bit annoying. When I first watched this case on volume 12, I thought to myself "I think this woman forgets the Unsolved Mysteries didn't have to air Nyleen's case to begin with and set this whole turn of events in motion!"

That makes three of us!!
I understand that she is grateful that her daughter was found but I though that she could have been a bit more tactful, in these circumstances.

On the completely opposite end of that spectrum, I have no feelings of empathy for, and actually got bothered by the attitude and statements of, the family and friend of Tony Lombardi. I've said a couple of times in different threads that I have a lot written about how this case is so obviously a suicide and how much I am bothered by the mom but I've never been happy with the tone of what I've written. I don't want to come out and completely eviscerate these people who've lost a loved one, because I do sympathize for their loss - I honestly do, but their absolute refusal to acknowledge what I think has been made blatantly obvious irks me. Adding that to the antogonizing tone of their interviews, the apparent celebration of some very questionable activities byt Tony, and their accusations against what I have no reason to doubt was adequate police work, all add up to me wishing the mom would shut her yapper and the friend would get exposed as a liar.

I've never enjoyed the Lombardi case for that very reason. Cheryl Lombardi, in my opinion, came across as a know-it-all who seemed to feel that the police should simply take her word for the fact that Tony was murdered and forget about all the evidence to the contrary.

That said, Cheryl (along with Tony's father and friend) gave one of the weirdest interviews I've ever seen. Unlike most of the other victims' families who have appeared on the show over the years, they never at any time show any emotions over the loss of their loved one. In fact, they really don't even mention it, other than to say that he was murdered and that the cops screwed up investigation when they ruled it a suicide. Their sole reason for appearing on the program it seemed was to "prove" the police wrong. And the line about how Cheryl would "fight them [the investigators] from eternity" was a bit over-dramatic.

I can't imagine what it must be like for families of suicide victims. It must be very hard to accept, but finger-pointing and allegations of a police cover-up cause more problems than they cure.

I have to disagree---the Tony Lombardi case to me was clearly a murder. But that's just me......

I have to disagree---the Tony Lombardi case to me was clearly a murder. But that's just me......


I agree, Kamy. I've always thought that Lombardi was murdered. Didn't he have post-mortem bruises that suggested he was pinned down at the chest? If I'm remembering it correctly and you factor in that the trajectory of the bullet didn't match a realistic angle.... combined with the light turning off in his bedroom long after he was supposedly dead.... yeah, I think he was murdered.

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever find out who was behind it.

I feel more sorry for Huey Littleton than I dislike him, although, DD, I laughed heartily at your comment. How can you dislike someone who uses the word "furrow"? I understand that he's a pain in the ass for the cops and he's brought out some ridonkuloid conspiracy theories, with the help of some seemingly bored teenagers who could have been extras out of Deliverance, but he probably feels like if he stops invesgtigating then he's letting down the memory of his daughter and son-in-law. I feel for that.

I never really did understand why people here seem to hate Huey. Yeah sure it wasn't the best interview but I never really gave it a second thought but then again I differ from most of you.

I would lean towards Tony Lombardi being a homicide: I doubt UM would pick to investigate and air a case if it was without a shadow of a doubt suicide. Plus the motives for suicide presented in the case were of the extreme weakest, while on the flip side there was not one, but two different people who had issued death threats to Tony that week. Plus, CRicci had some valid points. I would have like to see the 3 girlfriends investigated: it's very possible one of them didn't react too well to learn about the other two.

But Corky, I would have empathy for Tony's family: regardless of it was a suicide or homicide, he is still gone.

It is my understanding that the dislike for Huey Littleton stems from him being a pain in the side to the police force investigating the case: Huey had experience in law enforcement and subsequently tried to tell the police how to do their job: obviously this didn't go over and well and eventually led to the police not having anything to do with Littleton. I can certainly understand Huey being extremely upset, as it is obvious there were alot of sick, twisted people around that town in Louisiana.

I never really did understand why people here seem to hate Huey. Yeah sure it wasn't the best interview but I never really gave it a second thought but then again I differ from most of you.

I never disliked Huey. He was a quite animated interview I thought being so serious and intense. I guess if I was murdered I would want someone like that to go above and beyond to try and find out what happened and make sure everyone responsible was punished. I think he had a right to question the police in this case. Wasn't one of the partygoers the police chief's son? Its not suprising that the police wanted it closed as soon as possible if it was going to implicate some well known names around town.

SI, no one here hates Huey, I personally didnt like his attitude but that is just me. I actually think Huey is a smart man, which is why it sort of surprised me he was so gulliable to fall for the BS all those redneck kids said. The only thing I can think of is he was so desperate to hold someone accountable for what happened to Eric and Pam that he was willing to believe anything. However it blew up in his face and made him look like a moron and on top of that he burned his bridges with the sheriff's department and as we all know, having the law enforcement people be pissed at you is never a good side to be on.

Huey was animated, I thought he was overly dramatic, he probably feels that way, I just feel he went a little bit over the top. It is understandable why he would feel the way he did and I felt horrible for what happened to him and his family as a result of Eric and Pam's gruesome murder but he just went overboard with it.

Also, Unsolved88, you said something that really tends to bug me. You said that the Lombardi interview was "weird" because they appearantly didnt show enough emotion for you to b e comfortable with their interview. I just d ont get why people get all pissed off because people dont sit there and ball their eyes out the whole time? Different people handle grief in different ways, they could have been under the influence of alcohol or drugs, or whatever. Look at Darlie Routier, she was under the influence of pain killers, anti biotics and anti anxiety and anti depressant drugs when that misleading video of her was shot to the jury. I have taken Xanax and Zoloft off and on for years and I can tell you that they do dull your emotions big time. While if someone close to you died, you would feel just as sad as if you werent on meds, you would have difficulty crying or showing emotion.

That Texas cop said the same thing, oh Darlie wasnt balling her eyes out, she had the silly string, therefore that must mean that she is guilty of first degree premeditated murder and deserves to sit on death row. It is like Unsolved88 was even suggesting the Lombardi's might have been involved in their own sons death since by his line of reasoning, oh, they werent balling their eyes out the whole interview so they must not give a crap about what happened.

It is possible that the Lombardi's grieved on camera, but it was edited out. I would imagine that these interviews are quite long, as the families have lots to say, but are pared down to only a couple of minutes.

I've never enjoyed the Lombardi case for that very reason. Cheryl Lombardi, in my opinion, came across as a know-it-all who seemed to feel that the police should simply take her word for the fact that Tony was murdered and forget about all the evidence to the contrary.

That said, Cheryl (along with Tony's father and friend) gave one of the weirdest interviews I've ever seen. Unlike most of the other victims' families who have appeared on the show over the years, they never at any time show any emotions over the loss of their loved one. In fact, they really don't even mention it, other than to say that he was murdered and that the cops screwed up investigation when they ruled it a suicide. Their sole reason for appearing on the program it seemed was to "prove" the police wrong. And the line about how Cheryl would "fight them [the investigators] from eternity" was a bit over-dramatic.

I can't imagine what it must be like for families of suicide victims. It must be very hard to accept, but finger-pointing and allegations of a police cover-up cause more problems than they cure.

Additionally, I should point out that the segment mentioned that Cheryl was actually very emotional when the police first arrived, and that she had to be calmed down so that they could ask her some questions.

kadrmas15 the apparent celebration of some very questionable activities byt Tony,

I didn't get that impression at all, do you have some examples?

Wow, Corky, your criteria for a suicide appearantly is that Tony Lombardi was a young man who was involved with women who were in relationships with other men, a young man who liked to party and a young man that had a drunk driving arrest, therefore that somehow makes him more likely to kill himself? Is this is all the questionable stuff he was into?

Even if he was selling drugs, it seemed like you were alluding at that, I dont know if that was happening or not, let's just say for the sake of argument that it was true, that he was selling drugs, how does that make him more likely to kill himself?

You also said you thought Stephen Marfeo was guilty because he was drinking a cup of hot coffee or tea and touching the rim of the glass at the tail end of h is interview when the camera crew filmed him sipping the hot beverage and staring out his kitchen window. That makes him more likely to be a murderer why? You know, I had a mug of hot tea earlier tonight and looked out my sliding doors, I must be a murderer too, you better call the police and turn me in!

Also, are you so gulliable to believe that because some cop said that Marfeo sent the letters that he must have? I am not saying Marfeo didnt send the letters, however the detectives on this case had Marfeo hung from day one. They claimed the typewriter at Marfeo's house was the one that for sure typed it, when I bet thousands of people in Rhode Island owned the same kind of typewriter.

Also, you must remember that expert that talked in the segment, you do realize that he was hired by the Johnston, Rhode Island police to examine the letters? No wonder he came to the opinion he did! That was the opinion they wanted him to come to, they were paying him! If they are paying him to examine these letters, do you think he would come back and say "Marfeo or a close relative or close friend didnt type them"? I mean what did you think, this expert just did this out of the goodness of his heart when asked?

It seems when it is a defense expert, people come to this conclusion automatically b ut when it is an expert for the cops or prosecution, then suddenly it must be truthful because they are there for "justice". Prosecution and cop experts get paid the same as defense expert's do.

Yet because the defendant personally pays the expert, the prosecutors and cops are able to say they dont pay their experts. While that is technically true, it is a half truth and misleading, while the prosecutors and cops themselves dont personally pay their experts, the city, state or county these prosecutors and cops work for pays the experts!

All too often prosecutors and cops mislead people and juries into thinking their experts arent paid and are there out of the goodness of their heart for "justice" and the defense experts are paid pawns and all too often people are all too gulliable and ignorant to believe it.

I know my answer will probably be controversal, but one person that comes to mind that absolutely drove me nuts, was the mother of the baby who was kidnapped outside of a porta potty during a swap meet. Watching that episode when I was like 10 years old, I remember thinking, even then, "what the hell is she thinking! Someone's going to take that baby!"
Sorry to step on toes, but her actions are absolutely idiotic. I feel for the mother, I do, as it was probably a momentary lapse of good judgement, one she is kicking herself still today for, but nonetheless, it was STUPID!!!!!! You're just asking for it!!!!!

God bless her though, and the little baby, that we can only hope went to a good home.

Wow, Corky, your criteria for a suicide appearantly is that Tony Lombardi was a young man who was involved with women who were in relationships with other men, a young man who liked to party and a young man that had a drunk driving arrest, therefore that somehow makes him more likely to kill himself? Is this is all the questionable stuff he was into?

I'll address all the Tony Lombardi stuff in the Tony Lombardi thread.

Even if he was selling drugs, it seemed like you were alluding at that, I dont know if that was happening or not, let's just say for the sake of argument that it was true, that he was selling drugs, how does that make him more likely to kill himself?

LOL. What the Hell are you talking about?!?



You also said you thought Stephen Marfeo was guilty because he was drinking a cup of hot coffee or tea and touching the rim of the glass at the tail end of h is interview when the camera crew filmed him sipping the hot beverage and staring out his kitchen window. That makes him more likely to be a murderer why? You know, I had a mug of hot tea earlier tonight and looked out my sliding doors, I must be a murderer too, you better call the police and turn me in!

Okay I went back and re-read what I wrote and while I think its clear enough, I can possibly see where you might have gotten mixed up. When I said "the clincher for me" I wasn't referring to that clinching his guilt, I meant it clinched my loathing of him.


Also, are you so gulliable to believe that because some cop said that Marfeo sent the letters that he must have? I am not saying Marfeo didnt send the letters,

Then what ARE YOU saying? Don't come at me for being "gulliable" just because I state my opinion on something, when you yourself don't even have a solid position on the matter.



They claimed the typewriter at Marfeo's house was the one that for sure typed it, when I bet thousands of people in Rhode Island owned the same kind of typewriter.


...I'm speechless.


Ah, no I'm not. You do realize you're arguing from an impossible position when you just cast aside official police findings and pull your own facts and evidence out of the air?

Did you all see my **sarcasm finger quotes** in that last sentence?



Also, you must remember that expert that talked in the segment, you do realize that he was hired by the Johnston, Rhode Island police to examine the letters? No wonder he came to the opinion he did! That was the opinion they wanted him to come to, they were paying him! If they are paying him to examine these letters, do you think he would come back and say "Marfeo or a close relative or close friend didnt type them"? I mean what did you think, this expert just did this out of the goodness of his heart when asked?

It seems when it is a defense expert, people come to this conclusion automatically b ut when it is an expert for the cops or prosecution, then suddenly it must be truthful because they are there for "justice". Prosecution and cop experts get paid the same as defense expert's do.

Yet because the defendant personally pays the expert, the prosecutors and cops are able to say they dont pay their experts. While that is technically true, it is a half truth and misleading, while the prosecutors and cops themselves dont personally pay their experts, the city, state or county these prosecutors and cops work for pays the experts!

All too often prosecutors and cops mislead people and juries into thinking their experts arent paid and are there out of the goodness of their heart for "justice" and the defense experts are paid pawns and all too often people are all too gulliable and ignorant to believe it.


Again I ask...what are you talking about?!?

I must say the detective or police officer or whatever he was interviewed in the Tommy Burket segment really rubbed me the wrong way. That guy was full of it and I don't think he even believed what he was saying. Secondly Neal Hall was pretty aggravating with his whole "I think Cindy James killed herself" incinuation on that segment. The part that really honked me off was when he made it sound how simple it would have been for Cindy to hog tie herself after she injected herself with drugs (using a syringe that was nowhere to be found) just because a "knot specialist" was able to do it quickly. Correct me if I'm wrong but Cindy was not a knot specialist to my knowledge and I'm thinking the majority of people out there wouldn't be proficient in hog tying themselves. :rolleyes:

Oh, I can hog-tie myself pretty quickly.

*looking around defensively* Hey, it's not like there's a lot to DO in Montana, people! :D :D :D

Obviously kidding. Obviously. :) I agree, CD. That was the biggest problem I had with the Cindy James case. I thought it was next to impossible that she could do all that in the amount of time she had. Maybe my biggest problem with the Cindy James case is that I don't like the idea that should could have done all that to herself... spooky! :eek:

Okay Corky, where to begin? First off, why is it you say I pull stuff out of my A$$ when you did the same? You have no more evidence that Marfeo typed the mysterious letters than I have that he didnt. IT seems neither one of us has enough to evidence to conclusively prove our own points. Yet, you assume because the detectives said Marfeo for sure did it, it must be true. Sure Marfeo MAY have typed the letters, than again he MAY NOT have.

I confused nothing you said, why would you loathe Marfeo unless you thought he was for sure guilty? I mean you for some reason were ripping on the guy and claiming you "loathed" him apperantly because he sipped a hot beverage, rubbed the rim of the glass and looked out his kitchen window.

By the way, I came out you for being "gulliable" because you werent stating your opinion, you were stating a fact. You were alluding to the fact Marfeo must have for sure sent the letters because the cops and their hired expert said so when in fact there was no concrete proof that Marfeo sent them. I stated my opinion in that while I didnt personally feel Marfeo sent the letters, there was no evidence to show that he didnt either.

I'm the one that is speechless Corky, do you not think that cops and prosecutors ever lie or are wrong? I mean they are human beings, they do make mistakes, it happens. Or are you so gulliable and ignorant that you believe that 100 percent of the time they are always right?

I didnt pull my own facts and evidence out of the air, the cops said the letter was typed on a typewriter that belonged to Marfeo's close relative yet seemingly totally discounted that while the letter was typed on that type of type writer, presumably it could have been typed on any typewriter of the same type and it would have looked the same. That was an opinion of mine. I wasnt stating it as fact or as evidence, nice spin job though.

All that stuff I said about prosecutors and cops, maybe I was wrong, it was just my opinion. I was merely trying to tell you they arent always right and dont always tell the truth, but I must have said it in too serious and intellectual of a way for you to be able to understand it so I give up.

Crystaldawn, I agree with you on the detective on Burkett's case, in my opinion he was full of it, it was obvious, he acted like he didnt even believe the words that were coming out of his own mouth! That case in my opinion, just reeked of a cover-up. It is frustrating too because it is an obvious cover-up yet it cannot be proven.

By the way, all this above is just my opinion, it could be and probably is wrong. Since Corky is always right and since I am always wrong I better say that.

ONCE AGAIN lets stick to discussing and debating the facts and theories of the case and stop being critical of someone for stating their opinion!

Well, I will state this once and only once: Corky, if you felt that I was being overly critical to your opinion than I apologize. I dont feel I was being critical towards your right to your opinion rather the content of your opinion and the reasoning behind it.

That said, if I had thought it out more I wouldnt have said what I said exactly the way I said it, I hope that makes sense! I would have kept it more to the point and not taken cheap shots, that part of it was uncalled for on my part and if I would have known that what I said was going to create such a backlash I would have never said it to begin with.

I do feel though that what I said got taken out of context and was misunderstood, I also feel like I am being taken to task for something that people do on this board on a regular basis and I am not the only one that does it yet seemingly I am the only one that gets talked to about it. I dont know if it is because I am an easier person to push around or what.

That said, I am considering retiring from the board, I will make my ultimate decision over new year's but if this is how it is going to be, it would be better for myself and the board if I left, not that most of you would miss me but for the most part I enjoy the discussions here and to b e honest this is a unique interest of mine and I always enjoyed posting here and talking with people that would actually know what I was talking about, until fairly recently I enjoyed it that is.

However, I am tired of being taken to task for things more people than just me do and it is to the point to where posting here is becoming increasingly tedious and not fun anymore and I am just nearing the burn out stage. So I will make my decision in the next week or so whether to retire from this board but at this point I am leaning towards retiring, whether it will be permenant or not I do not know yet. I am sure most people will probably throw a party that I am leaving but I am sorry it has to end like this.

Oh stop, kadrmas15, we won't throw a party---don't go playing a wiseguy (I love you wiseguy ;) )

---get over it and just stick around.

Another retirement post. Is it just me, or does it seem like posters who go out this way invariably end up coming back?

Kadrmas, friend, this is just a message board. I really wouldn't take anything anyone says on here to heart. If you're annoyed by how things are going, take a few days off, relax and then come back. I'm sure there will be other discussions, other topics, other cases.

Another retirement post. Is it just me, or does it seem like posters who go out this way invariably end up coming back?

No it's not just you; exactly how can you "retire" from amessage board?
Stop being so melodramatic! (not JS :))

Given that several people misintrepreted my own retirement post from awhile back, I'll defend kadrmas here by saying I'm sure he wasn't trying to be dramatic.

P.S. how messed up is this? Awsi Dooger childishly quits after being told that 75% of his posts have nothing to do with UM, and offers up a very cheap final post, telling us that what we are all doing here on the forum is worthless, and he's remembered as some kind of forum icon. In what I thought was going to be my final post, I mentioned that I got the impression some people thought I was a jerk, but tried to fix that by mentioning some very nice things I've done for people on here, and nowhere girl scoffs at it, and various people think it's dramatic. Now whenever somebody quits, it's dramatic. pfftt.

p.s. Awsi lied to you people, he has posted on other forums since quitting here. just thought you might like to know that about your hero.

ooh, this one's gonna ruffle some feathers I reckon.

Thats a good point Wiseguy. Had Awsi told everyone he was "retiring" from the board (which is pretty much what he did) the same people would have ripped him that ripped you and Kadrmas for stating they were considering it. I don't get where all this criticism is coming from when people say they're considering retiring. I don't think its being dramatic, sometimes people just say it out of frustration and then decide to just take a break and then come back. Maybe they'd like people's input and hope when they say it some people will tell them they'd like them to stay. There's nothing wrong with that. I hope Kadrmas will stay. He adds a lot to our discussion and I've always felt he's sort of our "defense attorney" of the board, lol.

I guess my whole question is, why bother with a retirement post at all? This isn't a job where your employer needs a two week notice. This is a message board where people have free will to come and go as they please. We get new posters here all the time, and we have posters who suddenly stop posting for whatever reason without giving any sort of notice. Its obvious retirement posts generate controversy, and I think there is good reason for it. To some readers, such posts come across as pleas for sympathy, praise, and a way for the writer to politely "stick it" to their perceived enemies. That is why I have problems with retirement posts in general. And considering the controversy we've witnessed on this message board over this topic, I don't feel that I'm alone in my thinking. I'm not saying this to offend anyone, and it is not directed at anyone in particular. I just want to point out the problem with these posts that some of you on the other side of the fence may not be grasping.

I guess my whole question is, why bother with a retirement post at all? This isn't a job where your employer needs a two week notice. This is a message board where people have free will to come and go as they please. We get new posters here all the time, and we have posters who suddenly stop posting for whatever reason without giving any sort of notice. Its obvious retirement posts generate controversy, and I think there is good reason for it. To some readers, such posts come across as pleas for sympathy, praise, and a way for the writer to politely "stick it" to their perceived enemies. That is why I have problems with retirement posts in general. And considering the controversy we've witnessed on this message board over this topic, I don't feel that I'm alone in my thinking. I'm not saying this to offend anyone, and it is not directed at anyone in particular. I just want to point out the problem with these posts that some of you on the other side of the fence may not be grasping.

You've said it much more eloquently (and nicely) than I ever could have said it. Thanks, Justin. If I say anything more on the subject, I'm sure it will end with Crystaldawn hunting me down and slapping me. :)

Hey, well I am sticking around, but I am taking a little time off although honestly, just a couple of days off from here to refresh was good. Well, I didnt make the "retirement post" to stick it to anyone though I can see how it may have come off that way. I said it in a moment of frustration, I also did it because I needed to vent so for me that was the post to do it.

While I would never compare to this board to an actual job, it can feel like one at times if you have been posting at for a long time and especially when there is a lot of negative atmosphere, some of which was caused by me or at least made worse by me, but when you have been posting at this board regularly, for an extended time, it can lead to burn out, it is hard to explain, but it does happen.

So, I posted the retirement post because I truly thought I was going to be retiring, but I have now decided not to do that though I will not be posting here as much for the next few days to weeks, just taking somewhat of a break is all. Happy new year everyone!

Ohhh, Crystaldawn. The ACTUAL defense attorney says "Hey!" ;) That being said... I am glad to see the Kadrmas has decided to stick around. Although I don't always agree with what he says, I appreciate the alternate viewpoints, especially since my viewpoint is slanted pro-prosecution, even though I really do some criminal defense work... :)

As for Awsi... I do know that from talking with him after his "retirement" that his post was not meant to be a retirement post. Awsi had a history of disappearing from the board for weeks and even months at a time before he disappeared this last time. I AM aware that he's been posting on other boards than this one. While I miss his random and amusing comments, I also respect why he chooses not to post on this particular board anymore, even though I don't totally understand it. I can only wish him well, as I would with anyone who chooses not to contribute to the boards anymore.

That being said... Happy New Year, y'all! :)

I actually like Awsi, I miss him on this board, yes he had a quirky sense of humor, but I always thought of him as a very smart man, but he is politically incorrect and if you dish it out to him he will give it right back. But when he posted that "retirement" post, I thought he would just be gone a few weeks, maybe a few months and be back, since he had done that in the past where he had taken weeks and even months off from the board at at time, it wasnt anything unusual.

CRicci, I am glad you are glad I am sticking around, I dont always agree with what you say either, but you are a lawyer so I have never really taken issue with what you have said even if I might not always necessarily agree with it. But you have the education, you have done the work, while I havent even got to law school yet because I have to complete my bachelor's degree first. I am sort of surprised you are a defense attorney and not a prosecutor?

You seem to be fair, but it isnt difficult to tell that more often than not you lean with the prosecution but you have come out and supported the defense sometimes too. You certainly are no Nancy Grace, who would have a ham sandwich convicted if it was charged!

I might be an aspiring defense attorney, but some cases still amaze me, one is in Michigan, Wiseguy you might know this one, back in October, Orange Taylor III had a mis-trial on all charges, his re-trial I believe is supposed to begin later this month although I dont know if it has been delayed or not.

But this case was from Eastern Michigan University, apperantly he murdered another student according to prosecutors, yet the university covered it up and claimed it was an accident and if these charges are true, a murderer was allowed to roam free for over two months before anyone even knew a murder had been committed? The university tried saying the girls death was due to natural causes, no doubt in an effort to avoid a civil suit from her family.

Taylor was caught on survilleance camera leaving her dorm, he apperantly had a history of burglaries on campus, he was a student there but had at least two or three arrests but wasnt kicked out of school, he must have either got the charges dropped or took plea bargains.

But the real kicker, his defense attorney was pretty clever here, his semen was found on the floor of the dead girl's dorm room, obviously he couldnt lie and say it wasnt his, because then he would be caught in a lie and it would make him look guilty, so he had to come up with some explaination for it being there, he has admitted breaking into the room, but claims she was already dead when he entered the room. He said upon seeing her body, he didnt know she was dead and that he masterbated at the site of her body. That is his justification for that being there.

He was charged with sexual assault even though there is no evidence he actually sexually assaulted her as his semen was not found inside her body. He was also charged with first degree murder, burglary and theft I believe, but he had a mis-trial on all charges, it was a pretty big surprise, at least to me.

It was revealed that more than one juror had voted not guilty, although the majority were in favor of conviction, but I'm still surprised they wouldnt convict him at least of burglary and theft since he even admitted to doing that, but oh well.

Geez, I missed a lively discussion! Oh well! Happy New Year all!

I might be an aspiring defense attorney, but some cases still amaze me, one is in Michigan, Wiseguy you might know this one, back in October, Orange Taylor III had a mis-trial on all charges, his re-trial I believe is supposed to begin later this month although I dont know if it has been delayed or not.

But this case was from Eastern Michigan University, apperantly he murdered another student according to prosecutors, yet the university covered it up and claimed it was an accident and if these charges are true, a murderer was allowed to roam free for over two months before anyone even knew a murder had been committed? The university tried saying the girls death was due to natural causes, no doubt in an effort to avoid a civil suit from her family.

Taylor was caught on survilleance camera leaving her dorm, he apperantly had a history of burglaries on campus, he was a student there but had at least two or three arrests but wasnt kicked out of school, he must have either got the charges dropped or took plea bargains.

But the real kicker, his defense attorney was pretty clever here, his semen was found on the floor of the dead girl's dorm room, obviously he couldnt lie and say it wasnt his, because then he would be caught in a lie and it would make him look guilty, so he had to come up with some explaination for it being there, he has admitted breaking into the room, but claims she was already dead when he entered the room. He said upon seeing her body, he didnt know she was dead and that he masterbated at the site of her body. That is his justification for that being there.

He was charged with sexual assault even though there is no evidence he actually sexually assaulted her as his semen was not found inside her body. He was also charged with first degree murder, burglary and theft I believe, but he had a mis-trial on all charges, it was a pretty big surprise, at least to me.

It was revealed that more than one juror had voted not guilty, although the majority were in favor of conviction, but I'm still surprised they wouldnt convict him at least of burglary and theft since he even admitted to doing that, but oh well.

YES! I followed this case on CourtTV.com. I COULD NOT BELIEVE it resulted in a hung jury. Again, CRicci the former "junior prosecutor" tends to believe that this guy is probably guilty, but I have to admit that his defense strategy is interesting.

From my understanding, the defense spun the tale that the victim had a heart murmur which was the cause of her death. I'm not sure of that, but I will admit that it's a pretty interesting defense. I think I read his next trial will be in February. You can bet that I'll be following it closely.

As for my reasons for not being a prosecutor, it's pretty simple. I was a desperate law student looking for secure employment to pay off my student loans. I had interviewed for some Assistant District Attorney positions, but was offered a job with a private law firm first. I took the job with the private law firm, only to get a few offers to become a prosecutor later. :( I started doing criminal defense work as a way to keep in touch with Criminal Law, which was my passion in law school. :)

PM me if you have any questions about the law school process, Kadrmas. I'm more than happy to answer. :)

Wiseguy - My original comments were regarding the subject of retirement posts in general - not yours specifically. While you keep raising issues about things in your specific retirement post, I will not criticize it and I don't feel as though I have done so. The purpose of my post was not to criticize anyone in particular and I hope I made that clear. That being said though, I am finding it difficult to express my thoughts on the subject without touching on issues that you brought up in your retirement post, and I feel like I am treading on thin ice here. I guess what I want to say is that while I understand the need for someone to say a "farewell" to the online community to abate rumors, and "where did they go" type questions I also think that such posts can often come across as self serving, and in some cases, insulting to other board members if not handled very carefully. A "goodbye, its been swell" type comment leaves less room for interpretation than does paragraph after paragraph outlining problems the poster is having with the board, disagreements with other posters, etc. Again, this is my opinion of how such "retirement" posts often come across through my eyes, but I won't hesitate to say that I think that a lot of readers have similar feelings on this issue, hence the response you received.

As for the AWSI business, I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up, unless it really bothers you and I'm going to assume it does. If it does bother you, can I ask why? Okay, he dissed us, and he's gone on to post on other boards, so what? As I said to kadrmas, this is a message board, don't take things to heart. As you said (and I'm paraphrasing) it's not like we know each other in real life or are "friends" here. I don't give AWSI, or anyone else here for that matter, a second thought once the computer turns off. Kadrmas's comment about this seeming like a job kind of concerned me. If posting here is so stressful, then maybe it' is worth taking some time off to relax and put things back into perspective.

And, to answer your questions, I have known people to "retire" and come back on other boards I read. If anything, it makes the whole retirement issue even more comical, and reinforces my belief that these posts tend to be, with some small exceptions, BS.

Awsi must really like you then because several people have told me that he has ignored them since his leaving.

wasn't this the guy who said he had handicapped everyone on the forum? how reassuring to know someone kept tabs on all of our faults. :rolleyes:

I think the reason he left was because he was talked to about his off topic posts. If one looked at all of his posts, one would guess that, if there were 5 segments in an hour of UM, one would be about unsolved mysteries, one about football, one about politics, and one about Las Vegas, and one would be what should have been private messages between him and SiberianKiss.

Geez, are you ever going to get over Awsi?
20 or 30 emails wondering where you have gone... yeah O-K :rolleyes:
There is no retiring, if you want to "quit" then do so but do we need these long winding, attention seeking, emo stories.

Well, I cant speak for Awsi or Wiseguy, but I can speak for myself, when I say that my post was not to create attention. It was to state my point and lay all the cards on the table which I did. I actually feel much better about this whole situation now that I have done that.

As for Awsi, well I dont think Wiseguy is obsessed with him or not over him. I think Wiseguy's opinion, now this is just my interpretation, is that Wiseguy feels Awsi's exit was rather classless, he also feels it was immature on Awsi's part, but again that is just my interpretation of that. I wish Awsi would come back, but it doesnt appear that will happen so I wish him well.

CRicci, yes that case was pretty amazing that he got a mis-trial. I have seen people convicted off a lot less. Although to be fair, while Orange Taylor probably murdered this young woman, there actually was no real evidence that he murdered or sexually assaulted her.

But he was in the room. He initially lied about that to police until he realized he was caught on survilleance camera then he knew he had to admit it because they said they had his DNA so he knew he had to explain how it got in the room and stuff, so he was basically forced to put himself at the scene and claim he had done his business at the sight of her.

The defense was pretty clever in the Orange Taylor case and clearly they were able to cause enough doubt in at least a couple jurors minds that he wasnt convicted, his defense came up with some clever theories and to be honest, while some might be far fetched or sound lame, they were clever enough that they could fit the evidence and justify things, basically, the prosecution I dont feel proved that Orange Taylor raped and killed this young woman, all they proved was that he burglarized her room and stole stuff.

Well, this young woman was an athlete at Eastern Michigan University, but it was true she did have a heart condition that was stress related. She appearantly had a stress related arrythmia, and she had supposedly had a couple of fainting episodes because of this arrythmia but that it hadnt been thought of as a fatal medical condition in itself, but could be fatal if, lets say you passed out and fell hitting your head on something.

I am actually surprised, Taylor just didnt plead guilty, to burglary and theft, he would get probably half the time he would if found guilty at trial, plus, he might get acquitted of murder and sexual assault although I think that is a long shot, if there is a mis-trial, the state's chances of conviction go up dramatically, in the 2nd trial. I think in this case, it was a combination of an above average defense presenting interesting theories and the prosecution underestimating the defense that led to the mis-trial, but I was still surprised that Orange Taylor got a mis-trial. Do I think Orange Taylor is responsible for the death of this young woman? Probably, but this case was not exactly the slam dunk that the prosecution presented it to be, they over simplified it.

Yes, Orange Taylor broke into the room, yes he stole stuff, he is guilty of both of those crimes, but as sick as it may be, a guy doing his business onto the floor of a young woman's room I do not believe is a crime and there was no evidence of sexual assault, the defense suggested that she died from her medical condition, that she passed out and hit her head on something I believe.

But there was another case in Michigan a few years ago, involving a lawyer named Michael "Mick" Fletcher who was convicted of 2nd degree murder in the death of his wife. I never thought there was much real evidence, regardless if one thinks he did it or not, there has to be real evidence to lead to conviction and this was a case, where the prosecutors admitted they had no physical evidence that proved Fletcher killed his wife.

However he was still convicted, basically because they dragged him through the mud and the prosecution admitted they were going to do so in their opening statement. Fletcher should have never been convicted off the evidence or lack of it presented at trial.

I mean, yes, the guy was having an affair with a judge, she even steered cases his way as he was a defense attorney, she was the youngest judge in Michigan at the time, she was a rising star whose career was de-railed by this.

However basically, they got a guy convicted of murder because he was having an affair, because his marriage had been in trouble long before he was having that affair and because he had a book on criminal investigations in his house.

I mean the guy was a defense attorney, having such a book in his house would be nothing unusual, I mean, if he is this murderer, why would he leave a book like that right out in the open for the cops to find? I know people can be arrogant but I dont think anyone would be that arrogant.

Oh, hey Wiseguy, thanks for standing up for me, I meant to thank you for that and hadnt, so I want to thank you for that. I appreciate you doing what you did, because I would have never thought you would have, considering what happened in the past.

Well Wiseguy, I will say this once, we will have to agree to disagree here, there are different races of different people. While it isnt politically correct to mention people's races, I feel extreme political correctness is very detrimental and counter productive.

Like when you and I had that disagreement about whether or not the guy in the Dennis Walker segment should have said "cotton picking" hands or not when referring to the state taking back Dennis Walker's property. I am sure the guy meant no disrespect towards blacks even if you for whatever reason interpreted it that way. It was 1987 or 88 too when that segment was filmed, twenty years ago, a different atmosphere, a different time.

Yes, if you want to be politically correct about it, yes I guess he could have used a better choice of words, but honestly, I never even thought about race when he said that comment, until ironically enough, you brought it up.

I have no doubt that you are well intentioned when you are politically correct, though you take it to the extreme sometimes, just like I take plenty of things to the extreme, whether it is slamming people, getting overly emotional, whatever, it happens, it is unfortunate but it does, neither one of us mean any harm, it just gets out of hand sometimes.

I do not think Awsi is a racist, I mean, is anyone that brings up race a racist? Like, if the offender happens to be a minority race, whether it is politically correct or not, that offenders race needs to be said, in fact, it needs to be said whether they are white or a minority. If you just say, the offender is a guy with some hair, some skin and a tattoo, that wont distinguish him from lots of the other people out there.

I guess for me, I dont buy into politically correctness much, no matter how well intentioned it may be, political correctness taken to the extreme is very counter productive and it makes it so people are cherry picking their comments, making sure they dont say anything which might potentially offend someone.

To your credit, I don't feel I was singled out. Since I was the only one on here who retired and came back, I thought I would stick up for kadrmas on this issue because I could tell the same thing that was happening to him had happened to me: and I don't want anyone getting ganged up on, especially when they don't deserve it.

Justin, you can say what you want to me. This forum is nothing compared to everything I've endured in life. While I do respond to things I disagree with, I'm extremely thick skinned.

To you and everyone, I will state again: You misintrepreted my final post from awhile back: I was just trying to let you all know that, while I do post some comments that come off as kind of abrasive, I am still a very nice person. That is the only thing I intended to accomplish in the post, other than let people know I had planned on leaving. No sticking it to enemies or seeking praise.

I read your comment on people on other boards that have retired and come back, but how were we supposed to know that? Outside of a twilight zone forum I joined just last week, I don't post anywhere else regularly.

As for the Awsi business, I wouldn't mention it if I didn't keep reading comments about how much Awsi is missed. I still don't get it. He only quit because he couldn't post off topic anymore, and told us what we were all doing is worthless: yet had he not been told that, he would still be posting here. I wasn't going to mention this, but there were two separate occasions where he went out of his way to mention the color of skin of ciminals (on cases that happened where he lived, not on UM). He was busy yapping it up about Las vegas, politics and football while we were all sympathizing for victims. Discriminatory comments about bikers and rooting for the scammers to get away scot free. Does this not bother anyone else?

I understand this isn't pleasant to talk about, but I think it's necessary.

Wiseguy - To be honest, I really don't see this going any further. I feel like my posts have served their purpose - to let you and anyone else who may care to know why there is some times a backlash to retirement posts. I have no desire to dig up your specific retirement post and pick it apart and rehash all that. You've stated your position on why you felt the way you did when you wrote the post, and that's fine.

As for AWSI, I liked his posts. I used to travel to Vegas a lot so I did find them interesting, even though, as you have pointed out, a lot of the stuff he wrote wasn't about UM. I was unaware of the racist comments. If he did make such remarks, then that is a whole 'nother can of worms. I don't recall what was said, and if you want to point out what he said, I would be interested in reading those comments. I believe you are being truthful, yet I don't care to go searching through all his posts to find them. But if he did make racist remarks, that is really not cool, and I may have to reevaluate.

can you prove I or anyone else that has retired didn't get 20 or 30 e-mails? yeah didn't think so, speculative comments like that one are never a good idea.

I can't get over Awsi because there's nothing to get over. He's a complete non-factor in my life. I just brought him up recently because I thought it was bogus how he dissed the forum and people still treat him like a forum hero, whereas I have done alot of nice things for people on here and got scoffed at it.

I don't know what you're problem is lately, but I won't be getting any more of your dvd's.

I'm sure in your own little world you got those 20 emails hey.
You're the only one who clings onto things that happen at least a year ago, time to let it go don't you think?
No more DVDs?!?? Oh no, what will I do?

It is my opinion neither of those are racist, he mentioned "hispanic gentlemen" and a "black woman" that isnt racist unless you consider the fact he mentioned what race they were racist. Would you consider it racist if he mentioned a white person's race? I see what point you are trying to make wiseguy, but I cant say that I agree with it.

Wow, SI, that was pretty classless, you are getting down to my level now. Taking cheap shots, I mean are you taking lessons from me on how to be a jerk or something?

Hey, so people interviewed on UM that I just didn't like....

Have I mentioned my deep affinity for Paul Pollis?

Just sayin'.... :)

Okay enough of the pro and anti Awsi comments and anything related to the SK posts as well. The private message function if there for a reason if anyone wants to continue this debate and there are starting to be way too many off topic posts on here.

As far as back to the subject of this thread its a given that the people I really didn't like are Paul Pollis, Chad Noe, Mark Nichols and of course Jule Caylor. I also took offense to the comments made by Cynthia Anderson's father about how spending too much time on her face could have contributed somehow to her disappearance....what in the world? :confused: Hopefully he didn't mean it like it came out.

Someone interviewed who I didn't dislike so much as be throughly and horribly frightened by their appearance so much so that I just sat there frozen stiff and crying, was the Canadian investigator in the bizarre segment about the Canadian man who ended up murdered in Tennessee.

That cop looks so much like a living puppet it scared the motherfathering dog piss outta me. His eyes, his skin, his ears...man just thinking of the guy gives me the willies.

The guy's mom was pretty bizarre too. She had this weird wa of looking side to side when she talked and I couldn't tell if she had an accent or not but she had this way of enunciating where I didn't expect enunciations.

But...you know...they are Canadian.

Haha, yeah that is funny Corky, yeah, those Canadians are a strange bunch, but they are our best friends in the world afterall, we protect them and bail them out of all sorts of trouble. Remember when the Canadian authorities didnt seem to investigate the Philip Frazier case as aggressively because he was "just an American" ?

Let's see here, people interviewed on UM I didnt like, Mark Nichols, Jule Caylor, Paul Pollis, Chad Noe, Chad Noe's mother, Chad Noe's grandmother, the prosecutor in the Larry Race case, the prosecutor in the Glen Consagra case, the prosecutor in the Stuart Heaton case, the assistant attorney general of Florida who was fighting Tommy Ziegler's appeal, Cindy Anderson's dad, the guy just gave me the creeps, I am sorry for what happened with Cindy and all but I just got a really bad vibe off the guy, the dude from Massachusetts, Scott something, that ran off on his family, was gone for over 3 years living this new life, then when they find him, the kicker is he makes them move to where he is at, pretty classless if you ask me.

Oh who else? Doyle, the service station attendent who wrongfully picked out Michael Scott Martin, the Sheriff that allowed Rob Bonderson to get away with murder, who else? Donovan Jacobs, those neighbors, especially the dude with the mullet who heard Crystal Spencer getting murdered and decided to just ignore the blood curdling screams that sounded like they came from a Hitchcock film and go back to sleep because they were scared of "getting involved." Yes, I suppose it would be less scary letting a murderer and rapist roam free.

Ohhh, Crystaldawn. The ACTUAL defense attorney says "Hey!" ;)

Okay confess Cricci you really are a prosecutor trapped in a defense attorney's body aren't you? :lol:

Guilty as charged. It makes me a pretty decent defense attorney, though. I can usually tell you what the prosecution is going after. :)

Wow, SI, that was pretty classless, you are getting down to my level now. Taking cheap shots, I mean are you taking lessons from me on how to be a jerk or something?

I could swear I read how "stressed" you were and taking a break from here?

I decided to stay, just to tick you off!

I decided to stay, just to tick you off!

Don't overestimate yourself, I don't care. This forum isn't my life like some around here.

I was kidding SI, but for the record, I dont think you have a right to talk to me about overestimating myself but that is just my opinion. What do I know right? You know, if you are going to pull the self righteous attitude, by implying but not outright saying that some people here dont have lives other than this forum, you might want to take your insults elsewhere.

I was kidding SI, but for the record, I dont think you have a right to talk to me about overestimating myself but that is just my opinion. What do I know right? You know, if you are going to pull the self righteous attitude, by implying but not outright saying that some people here dont have lives other than this forum, you might want to take your insults elsewhere.

Well then you'd be well aware that you and I have a shady history and anything you say could be mis-interpreted and then you cry "I'm just kidding" all the time. You take this too seriously as evident by your claims of being stressed out.

Well, it does get stressful SI, but I feel rejuvenated. Actually, part of what rejuvenated me is people such as yourself that want to see me leave this forum, so because of that I am more determined to stay. By the way, I dont cry "I'm just kidding" I say that because it is the truth but I am not crying.

Well, you and I have a shaky history, in my opinion we are both pretty much equally at fault, I have gone out of my way to start stuff and you havent exactly been easy to get along with yourself. Like when you ripped on wiseguy, was there any reason for that? Or did you do it just because you can?

Part of the problem you have, is your seeming inability to admit you do anything wrong, it seems like as far as you are concerned, if you and I have a shaky history, that is all my fault, while some of it is my fault, it isnt all my fault, or you and wiseguy, I am sure you think that little back and forth you and him had recently is all his fault too?

But you are seemingly chastizing me for taking some things too seriously and you are right, I do take a lot of things too serious. However, so do you, one day I was joking with you and you flipped out and thought I was trying to make a situation worse because you misinterpreted what I said and jumped to conclusions without doing your research and getting your facts straight.

As much as you would like it if I would leave this forum so that there is one less person here for you to disagree with, I am not going anywhere and if I did leave it certainly wouldnt be because you or someone like you would want me to leave.

I look forward to more sparring but I am going to retire from this thread, at least retire from this conversation anyway since it has sort of degenerated into this immature back and forth, so you win SI, I am done arguing with you. I will be the bigger man and put an end to this now that I got my two cents in, there is me being self righteous!

These posts that have absolutely nothing to do with UM need to be addressed in a pm or I'm going to start deleting them.

I don't believe that SI or kadrmas15 were ever on UM, but we've established they don't like each other, so on to other news perhaps?

ed carter's attorney, showcased in the bordello murders(new life massage). what a jerk.

jack barrett idiot police commander for washington DC metro police. his statements about the chandra levy judy chiang murders.

I don't believe that SI or kadrmas15 were ever on UM,

the episode didn't make it to Lifetime

yes, bartlett did come across as a complete dolt...still think it was some sort of serial killer

You know, I think a certain former Congressman can provide some answers as to whether he was involved with what happened to Chandra Levy. I would reveal his name, but we all know who he is and I dont want him suing me for slander like he did Dominick Dunne.

LOL. Like what you said wasn't incriminating enough, kadrmas. ;) I wouldn't worry, though. You didn't say that you thought he was the killer, so I don't see your comments being slanderous. :)

I don't know if said Congressman was involved, to be honest. The disappearance of Chandra Levy is a very intriguing case. I'd love to see some developments emerge.

Dominick Dunne got sued for slander? Did he write a book? I'd love to know more here.... :)

I still think it was a serial killer, despite some advantageous results of the death of Ms. Levy towards a certain congressman (posters note*: a DC radio station during the scandal sent this congressman a new mattress)
Anyhow, i think that there is more evidence pointing to a serial killer than to government.
First, I think that the fact that they were govt. employees is a mere coincidence, and only really helps to hide the true criminal. Second, both Joyce and Chandra had similar physical qualities, and both lived in the same neighborhood in NW Washington. They were both petite, and both brunettes. They both traveled the same way to work. The only major difference is that Levy disappeared 2 yrs. after Joyce. The killer would have been able to see similar movements in both victims, and when he saw Levy, went out for another thrill killing.
Second, what many people forget about this case is the disappearance and murder of the "first victim" Christine Mirzayan, who was killed about 5 months before Joyce was.
I won't ignore the political attention either. Again, I don't think a high ranking political official had anything to do with either crime, but maybe an underling or a rank and file Capitol Hill worker. Joyce and Chandra while never crossing paths, worked in offices that were adjacent to each other, and Chrisina at one time was also a political intern.

I know I'm just playing armchair detective here, but i'm just trying to follow the evidence that I see

CRicci, Dunne didnt write a book about the Levy case, but he might as well have, what he did was he went on Larry King's show and basically said that the now former congressman in question was/is the killer of Chandra Levy. This former Congressman sued Dunne for slander and Dunne and this former congressman later settled out of court for an undisclosed amount of money. This incident happened when this congressman was still in congress.

Then a year or two ago, Dunne slipped up again, he was talking about the case and once again basically said that this former congressman either killed Chandra Levy or was behind her murder and once again this former congressman sued for slander and once again the former congressman and Dunne settled out of court for an undetermined amount of money.

I dont really have a problem with Dunne for the most part, he is part of the pro prosecution crowd but a majority of the time he has class and respect that the likes of Nancy Grace and others would never even think of possessing.

That said, he goes overboard from time to time, such as with the former congressman in the Levy case, or how Dunne was rather classless in bragging about how he ruined the career and life of a Los Angeles County Superior Court judge, all because Dunne didnt like the jury's verdict.

This was in the trial of Dunne's daughter who was murdered in 1982, I understand why he didnt like the verdict, but for him to burn the judge at the stake? It wasnt the judge's fault the jury ruled that Dominique Dunne's killer was guilty of "only" involuntary manslaughter. How you can convict a person of involuntary manslaughter when they strangled another person to death in their driveway with their bare hands is beyond me, but that is what they came to.

He was originally charged with 2nd degree murder, but the jury was allowed to consider the lesser offense and that is the decision they came to. Dominique's killer, her former boyfriend John Sweeney was sentenced to 6 years in prison, but was released after 3. Dunne even tried to hire a contract killer to kill Sweeney when he was released from prison, I mean, I understand why Dunne would do all he did, but to ruin a judge's career and then brag about it? Classless.

lol i knew it was like 434-1, but didn't know he was the 1

I still think it was a serial killer, despite some advantageous results of the death of Ms. Levy towards a certain congressman (posters note*: a DC radio station during the scandal sent this congressman a new mattress)
Anyhow, i think that there is more evidence pointing to a serial killer than to government.
First, I think that the fact that they were govt. employees is a mere coincidence, and only really helps to hide the true criminal. Second, both Joyce and Chandra had similar physical qualities, and both lived in the same neighborhood in NW Washington. They were both petite, and both brunettes. They both traveled the same way to work. The only major difference is that Levy disappeared 2 yrs. after Joyce. The killer would have been able to see similar movements in both victims, and when he saw Levy, went out for another thrill killing.
Second, what many people forget about this case is the disappearance and murder of the "first victim" Christine Mirzayan, who was killed about 5 months before Joyce was.
I won't ignore the political attention either. Again, I don't think a high ranking political official had anything to do with either crime, but maybe an underling or a rank and file Capitol Hill worker. Joyce and Chandra while never crossing paths, worked in offices that were adjacent to each other, and Chrisina at one time was also a political intern.

I know I'm just playing armchair detective here, but i'm just trying to follow the evidence that I see
yup, I agree with your logic. I think that metro DC police commander is a complete joke and an embarassment to law enforcement. to go on national t.v. and mock a person who was likely a victim of murder(whether it can be proven or not) and say it's not related to anything and can't be investigated?? and then suggest possible suicide? sorry for the run on sentence. I think it is a killer at work, and sure it could definitely be related. What about the message that the killer may have left on the side of a building? It is certainly an intriugeing case since it shares so many similiarities with the two other victims. Senator Conduit(spelling) certainly came out from under the microscope thanks to Sept 11. He was under heat, but the media hype for he or chandra never returned. and poor joyce chiang and the other female...... no one even talked about.

It is Congressman not Senator, Condit was never a senator, he might have aspired to be one but was never one. I actually liked Condit when he was in congress, he was a sensible democrat, I actually liked Jim Traficant too and still do.

Traficant, when he was convicted, refused to resign, as a convicted felon, while he can hold office as a congressman, a convicted felon cannot vote or hold any committee assignments, so basically he was just hanging around, picking up paychecks. So finally the congress moved to expel him because he wouldnt leave office voluntarily, even all the democrats voted to expel him except for Condit as Wiseguy mentioned.

Traficant was the first congressman expelled since the early 1980's and only the 2nd congressman to be expelled since the civil war era. But I always liked Traficant and his toupee's and his wild ideas and stuff. Hard to believe Traficant was actually the sheriff of his local county in Youngstown, Ohio before he went to congress.

Condit went into the ice cream business after leaving congress, but of course, once people found out who he was they stopped buying ice cream from him, this was after Condit moved to Arizona because basically he couldnt live in California anymore because no one there wanted anything to do with him. How ironic that Condit was from Modesto, California, the same town as Scott Peterson.

It is Congressman not Senator, Condit was never a senator, he might have aspired to be one but was never one. I actually liked Condit when he was in congress, he was a sensible democrat, I actually liked Jim Traficant too and still do.

Traficant, when he was convicted, refused to resign, as a convicted felon, while he can hold office as a congressman, a convicted felon cannot vote or hold any committee assignments, so basically he was just hanging around, picking up paychecks. So finally the congress moved to expel him because he wouldnt leave office voluntarily, even all the democrats voted to expel him except for Condit as Wiseguy mentioned.

Traficant was the first congressman expelled since the early 1980's and only the 2nd congressman to be expelled since the civil war era. But I always liked Traficant and his toupee's and his wild ideas and stuff. Hard to believe Traficant was actually the sheriff of his local county in Youngstown, Ohio before he went to congress.

Condit went into the ice cream business after leaving congress, but of course, once people found out who he was they stopped buying ice cream from him, this was after Condit moved to Arizona because basically he couldnt live in California anymore because no one there wanted anything to do with him. How ironic that Condit was from Modesto, California, the same town as Scott Peterson.
my fault, thanks for the correction...........rep condit.

The Eric Tamiyasu case. That guy Don Dixon was pretty strange. It made me wonder if he was actually involved.
I think Don Dixon and the cop Sheriff Joe Wampler (whose wife Eric was supposedly involved with) were both pretty unlikable and highly suspicious in their interviews. It makes me wonder if both were involved in his murder.

I also want to add Don Sherman to the list as well as Ben Markowitz whose brother Nick was kidnapped and killed by Jesse James Hollywood and his scumbag friends for Ben's drug debt. And Ben was defiant and egotistical in his interview and wasn't sympathetic about him being ultimately responsible for his brother's kidnapping and death at all.

jack barrett idiot police commander for washington DC metro police. his statements about the chandra levy judy chiang murders.
I just saw this segment again and could this Commander Jack Barrett be any more of an idiot? They didn't even investigate the Joyce Chiang case as a murder like it should have been and the killer gets to do the same to others. I wonder if there are any similar sorts of homicides in that area since this segment aired other than the Chandra Levy and Christine Mirzayan ones mentioned in the segment and if these idiot investigators are sitting on their hands in those cases as well while a serial killer operates.

You said it!

I'm sorry, but you don't stop working on a case just because you can't determine how she died. If that happens, you FIND OUT how she died! Did they ever think of interviewing the employees at Starbucks? Checking her credit cards for fingerprints? Examining the riverbank for tire tracks or something?

They could have done so much more in this case!

Aren't the investigators supposed to work all unnatural death cases as if they were homicides from the get go to make sure they catch the perpetrator (if it was a murder) and to have all the evidence that was available to them to make sure they convict the killer(s) in court? I'm wondering if a serial killer is still working the DC area since it was apparent that the investigators didn't seem to care or even want to care that there is a person out there abducting and killing women. Now he can go on abducting and killing, maybe change up his MO a little to throw off the gumshoes, and he can get another free pass, unless the bureacratic dinosaurs in the FBI are all gone. Hopefully someone new will come along and re-open this investigation and compare these cases for similar ones nearby to find the right patterns and work up some suspects. I wonder is maybe even the killer was a very powerful person in DC and covered his tracks. I'd hate to push blind conspiracy theories like that, but it would fit with why the investigators didn't look at Joyce Chiang's death as the homicide that it apparently was immediately and at first glance call it suicide. Misdiagnosing homicide immediately as a suicide and then closing any further investigation into the death isn't done that often from what I gather and seems to only happen when some form of the government is involved to cover up like Dan Casolaro, Charles Morgan, Doug Johnston, Ralph Sigler, and Joyce Chiang.
It's screwed up when the police would rather cover their own asses and instead of taking responsibility and getting a slap on the wrist, someone else has to die because they were too inept to stop the killer in the first place.

Cynthia Anderson's father was creepy, did you notice he just kept smiling in this very bizarre way like he was just awfully amused with himself. Certainly not the reaction one would expect from a man whose daughter had been missing around a decade by that point.


I didn't like this guy at all either. He took a cheap shot at his daugther and barely seemed like he cared what happened.

He was such a freak! His daughter is missing and probably dead. What does he do? Talk about his feelings, his fears? No, he bitches about how she skipped breakfast and put on make up. Dude, I know their family was religious, but please......make up and an empty stomach does not make a person vanish.

LOL. I'm beating several people to the punch when I say this, but I can think of several "concerned husbands" who came off as pretty darn insincere in the UM segments:

1. PAUL POLLIS-- Duh. We all know how I (and several others) feel about him and his desire for an obsessively clean house.

2. STEPHEN MARFEO-- The fact that he committed a murder-suicide in the last day of his life makes me wonder if he didn't kill his wife as well.

3. MARK NICHOLS-- WHO remembers EVERYTHING their wife took out of the closet... seriously?

4. CHAD NOE-- Nevermind the fact that I think he was totally involved in the disappearance of Wendy Camp. I just don't like him. Period.

Bob Bean.....he was a smug know it all obviously overcompensating for something....rejection perhaps?

Totally agree. Missy's mother seemed to come off as a passive enabler. She could have done more to keep her away from Strickland, IMO.

I liked the way the Michigan cop said she was as guilty as he was and that he wanted them BOTH. She should have gone to the big house too.

I tried looking up Missy Munday in the Michigan DOC website, but couldn't find her. Does anyone know what's happened to her since her and Jerry were busted d/t UM?

I don't want to kick anyone when they are down but I had difficulty watching the segment about the case of Alexander Olive. It was difficult for me to understand why his mother would go back with the man who drugged her to take advantage of her sexually, in the first place. :mad:
It's frustrating to see someone repeat the same pattern of abuse.

Addendum: It's not that I disliked Pam Olive, I just could not understand how her survival instincts did not kick in at one point. How many red flags do you need before your inner voice kicks in and says: "Ok, now is the best time to get away as far as you can from this psychopath."

My short list includes Paul Pollis' mother (easily one of the most obnoxious voices I've ever heard), Joe Wampler, Bob Bean, Mark Nichols, the state medical examiner in the Clarence Roberts segment, and Richard Garrett, which have mostly been mentioned here....but my number one, of all time, has to be Chad Langford's ex-girlfriend. She sounded like such a stupid, haughty, self-absorbed bimbo and I wanted to slap her everytime she spoke.

"I dunno, like.....Chad was like, trying to protect me or something." *head toss*

Ugh, get over yourself.

Oh yeah HyeTev, how could I forget Crystal Spencer's neighbors?!?!? I know everytime I hear blood-curdling screams and sounds of torture I throw a pillow over my head; I mean honestly, who wants to get involved in that?:lol: :mad:

These two idiots should have been butchered. I mean really...why didnt they call the freaking police! Ahhhh! The wife was a complete moron and the husband was....just pathetic. And then a week later they were SUPRISED to find outh Crystal was dead! WTF!?!

Die! Die! Die!

If we were handing out prizes, they'd be near the top all right.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE PAUL POLLIS SEGMENT. It is the first segment I ever saw where there wasn't a single person I sided with. I feel bad for the Nagy family but even they came across as extremely unlikeable to me.

from the Dark Dante/Kevin Poulsen segment...his friend Sean Randol. She was a complete idiot. "The FBI is making him out to be a dangerous person...he knows how to do things that hes not suppose to know how to do."
Freaking reject. She was a bit to dense for my taste. Kevin was dangerous...very dangerous. The guy had the ability to hack into computers and sell secrets to other countries. DUAH! HE WAS DANGEROUS SEAN! :mad:

from the Dark Dante/Kevin Poulsen segment...his friend Sean Randol. She was a complete idiot. "The FBI is making him out to be a dangerous person...he knows how to do things that hes not suppose to know how to do."
Freaking reject. She was a bit to dense for my taste. Kevin was dangerous...very dangerous. The guy had the ability to hack into computers and sell secrets to other countries. DUAH! HE WAS DANGEROUS SEAN! :mad:

Ohhhhh yeah. I remember that "things he's not supposed to know how to do" line. :rolleyes: Kevin Poulsen was worthless. Smart, but worthless nonetheless. Just looking at his picture annoys the living water out of me.

I thought Blair Adams' mom was really weird. She had these wild eyes :eek: and strange annunciations in her speech: "And to this day, I still don't KNOW what IT IS."

Ohhhhh yeah. I remember that "things he's not supposed to know how to do" line. :rolleyes: Kevin Poulsen was worthless. Smart, but worthless nonetheless. Just looking at his picture annoys the living water out of me.

I thought Blair Adams' mom was really weird. She had these wild eyes :eek: and strange annunciations in her speech: "And to this day, I still don't KNOW what IT IS."

Oh yeah....Sandra Edwards. She was a riot. I felt sorry for her but she was a bit strange.

One other one that really irritated me...Rebecca Young who fell prey to the "cult" and let her son get beaten by her loser of a boyfriend. And then had the audacity to get on television and plead for his return! Hey Rebecca why didnt you do that when you had him?! Instead of leaving him in the hands of others and letting him get beaten on!

Oh and my personal favorite Lisa Penz from the Bonnie Wilder segment.
It was blatantly obvious that Mrs. Lisa didnt like large people by several of the comments she made about Bonnie. "I just dont understand how someone that large can...just disappear. She must be 300 pounds." This is, hands down, the dumbest words uttered on UM.
Im am glad that Bonnie Wilder stole that money...just for the stupid comments that Lisa Penz said.

Team Bonnie!

And crystaldawn...I loved your update on the case from 2007!
Great detective work!

Jule Caylor, I believe he said that ever since Dottie's been gone things are great. He's right up there with Drew Peterson.

Oh and my personal favorite Lisa Penz from the Bonnie Wilder segment.
It was blatantly obvious that Mrs. Lisa didnt like large people by several of the comments she made about Bonnie. "I just dont understand how someone that large can...just disappear. She must be 300 pounds." This is, hands down, the dumbest words uttered on UM.
Im am glad that Bonnie Wilder stole that money...just for the stupid comments that Lisa Penz said.

Team Bonnie!

And crystaldawn...I loved your update on the case from 2007!
Great detective work!

Not to be rude about her, but she was no prize in the looks either. I think she was POed bc she screwed up, not even admitting it was her fault she didn't check the references enough before she was hired. I can't believe NO one was applying who had their faculties together.

I think she was POed bc she screwed up, not even admitting it was her fault she didn't check the references enough before she was hired. I can't believe NO one was applying who had their faculties together.

That "if I have one applicant who's not on drugs" remark stuck with me. Qualified applicants are harder to find in big cities, but this still must be an exaggeration.

The prosecutor in the Larry Race segment. He just seemed arrogant like "I did no wrong". I think Larry Race got prosecuted not because of reasonable doubt, but because of his less than husbandly tendencies.

Jule Caylor, I believe he said that ever since Dottie's been gone things are great. He's right up there with Drew Peterson.

Jule Caylor can rot. That squinty-eyed SOB.


Because I watched it recently, the Cuyahoga (sp) County medical examiner in the Kurt Sova segment was a little shady to me, with his broad statements and Sherlock Holmes quotations. He seemed like he was just a little too good for the entire situation....like everyone was exasperating him by speculating that Kurt's death could've been a murder. I'm with Dorothy Sova---what's on that piece of paper is immaterial.

Speaking of which, I always liked her. Maybe we should start a "people you for some reason liked" thread?

The prosecutor in the Larry Race segment. He just seemed arrogant like "I did no wrong". I think Larry Race got prosecuted not because of reasonable doubt, but because of his less than husbandly tendencies.

I was thinking the same thing. The cop in the Stphen Marfeo segment ("It's not consistent") came across like a jerk, too. He had agood point but was a jerk about it. Also, that clown prosecutor in the Jeffrey McDonald segment came across as unlikeable.

Who are some people that were interviewed on the show that you just didn't like? I'm not necessarily talking about people you think are guilty, but just those who got on you nerves for one reason or another. Here are some of mine.

Jimmy Aprille: This is one of the stories never aired on Lifetime. Jimmy's wife Melvine wiped out his funds and kidnapped their two children. But something about Jimmy's interview bothered me. He seemed very smug and showed little (if any) emotion. I don't if it was just me, but his attitude made it hard for me to feel too sorry for him. Luckily, his wife and children were eventually found.

Michael W. Anderson: Cindy Anderson's father. He smiled throughout the interview and didn't seem overly concerned with his daughter's disappearance. Everyone in the segment (the detectives, Cindy's sister Christine, her friend Terri and one of the clients from the law office where Cindy worked as a secretary) all seemed to think that Cindy was being stalked. Mr. Anderson never even mentioned that theory and seemed to have one of his own; Cindy had been skipping meals to keep her figure and spend a lot of time applying makeup and "that may have been part of the problem". That makes no sense. If anything, she sounds like any other 20-yr-old woman with a serious boyfriend who wants to look especially good for him. Mr. Anderson's nonchalant attitude just turns my stomach.

Mickey Jackson: Lauren Jackson's father. I hated the way he kept putting Lauren's mom Christina down!

Huey Littleton: Pam Ellender's self-righteous father. I realize he suffered a terrible loss when his daughter and son-in-law were murdered, but he took things way too far when he started pulling "witnesses" out of the woodwork and came up with outlandish theories about how a group of young satanists killed Eric and Pam and partied hearty in their house. :rolleyes:

Can anyone think of any others?

I pretty much agree with all of that.

I did not like Mickey Jackson. Never looked directly into the camera. He also said he would "bet his life" that Lauren's mother was involved. Granted, the mother leaving her five year old unattended for 20 minutes outside and getting arrested for fraud the year previous weren't the smartest of moves, but she seemed pretty choked up at one point, and I generally don't think she's involved and it was a random perp.

And I think the supposed eyewitness who claims she saw the mother give her away is a lying sack of ****.

the KROQ deejays. "there are certain lines you don't cross." yeah, well, you guys crossed 'em. Thanks for toying with people's emotions and just generally wasting everyone's time. I wanted to slap those 2 silly.

And who could forget Ed Walters blaming non-believers as being anti-conservative? Another person guilty of wasting everyone's time.

And who could forget Ed Walters blaming non-believers as being anti-conservative? Another person guilty of wasting everyone's time.

Just remember, it doesn't matter what a nay-sayer says. A nay-sayer cannot believe it if he wants to! :D

Can't recall his name but Tara Beckinridge's stuttering boyfriend always got on my nerves!:mad:

Oh and my personal favorite Lisa Penz from the Bonnie Wilder segment.
It was blatantly obvious that Mrs. Lisa didnt like large people by several of the comments she made about Bonnie. "I just dont understand how someone that large can...just disappear. She must be 300 pounds." This is, hands down, the dumbest words uttered on UM.
Im am glad that Bonnie Wilder stole that money...just for the stupid comments that Lisa Penz said.

Team Bonnie!

You've got to be kidding me, right? Anybody who steals should be locked up and anybody that weighs 300+ pounds (with a few exceptions like pro athletes) should be put on a diet of raw vegetables and water.

Can't recall his name but Tara Beckinridge's stuttering boyfriend always got on my nerves!:mad:

Wayne Hecker.

Oh boy, way too many to name that I dislike. Wayne Hecker, Chad Noe, Jule Caylor, Terry Farmer who was the prosecutor in the Donny Hansen case. John DeSanto, the prosecutor in the Larry Race Case. Donald Sheafor, the prosecutor in the Stuart Heaton case. Judy Groezinger, to name a few.

1. PAUL POLLIS-- Duh. We all know how I (and several others) feel about him and his desire for an obsessively clean house.

2. STEPHEN MARFEO-- The fact that he committed a murder-suicide in the last day of his life makes me wonder if he didn't kill his wife as well.

3. MARK NICHOLS-- WHO remembers EVERYTHING their wife took out of the closet... seriously?

4. CHAD NOE-- Nevermind the fact that I think he was totally involved in the disappearance of Wendy Camp. I just don't like him. Period.


Bob Bean.....he was a smug know it all obviously overcompensating for something....rejection perhaps?

My first reply ever in this forum! YAY! Okay, down to business: Paul Pollis wwas so unlikeable and non-believeable. No offense to the guys out there but what man brings his two VERY SMALL children out all day on errands? GO drop the kids off at your parents house! ANd his house was scrubbed up and down? Whatever, Paul. I did not Charlotte's family that much either when it comes down to it. Maybe Charlotte ran away to get away from both families!

Mark Nichols: When he could tell the police every little thing that was in his wife's suitcase I knew he was lying. If I asked my husband to pack a suitcase for me would probably pack my wedding dress! :lol:

Bob Bean: Go. Away. And take your smirky, swarmy know it all attitude with you. ALL the charaters in that story came off as white trashy...no offense.

Chad Noe: That story is so sad..... I am sure the poor woman and her daughter are in a dithc somewhere. Chad came off as a momma's boy who did everything she said.

I really didn't like the skeptic in the Spontaneous Human Combustion segment. I think his name was Joe Nickell. His argument of "All the conspiracy believers can shut up and get a life" was enough to convince me that anything he said was not worth my time. What a weak, childish argument!

I didn't particularly like Gabriel "Carrhotic" Carrillo of the Kurt McFall segment. Something about him gives me the creeps, even though I'm agreement with him over what probably happened to Kurt and don't believe he had anything to do with his death.

The husband of one of the Mary Morrises. I wouldn't go so far as to say he ordered her hit, but his perma-smirk was unlikeable.

MARK NICHOLS-- WHO remembers EVERYTHING their wife took out of the closet... seriously? It is about to be on RIGHT NOW!

The husband of one of the Mary Morrises. I wouldn't go so far as to say he ordered her hit, but his perma-smirk was unlikeable. Which one? Mary McGinnis Morris was the younger one, right? Mary Lou Morris was a bit older. And when the narration said "The two women looked alike" I was like, uhm, no they don't!

If I remember correctly Mary Lou Morris was killed by accident first and then Mary McGinnis Morris was snuffed out. But please correct me if I am wrong.

Wayne Hecker.

Thanks! Wayne Hecker grated! As did Adam Hecht's snobbish mom!


(Yeah, I'm lousy at remembering names!:p )

It is about to be on RIGHT NOW!

Which one? Mary McGinnis Morris was the younger one, right? Mary Lou Morris was a bit older. And when the narration said "The two women looked alike" I was like, uhm, no they don't!

If I remember correctly Mary Lou Morris was killed by accident first and then Mary McGinnis Morris was snuffed out. But please correct me if I am wrong.

Yep, Mary M. Morris was the younger one and was the apparent intended target. And I never thought the two looked anything alike, either.

Chad Noe and his traveling family of murderers are about to be on RIGHT NOW. Could my day get any better?

Since the very first time I ever saw the episode he was in, the prosecutor in Patty Stallings false conviction of killing her baby always irritated me. His apology sounded forced by the state in an effort to keep the Stallings from suing.

Another one who's always been annoying is Christie Mutzfield. She's the girl who was sleeping with criminal Mahfuz Huq *and* her boyfriend, which ended up causing her boyfriend, Todd Kelly, to be stabbed to death by Mahfuz.

She's such an airheaded twit. I wonder what ever happened to her. Todd's parents suspect she's involved in his murder and she's changed her story. Besides whether she's guilty or not, her real stupidity and fake demeanor is enough to make the segment one of my most hated.

I know it sounds cold, but I didn't like Sue Johnson (Scott Johnson's mother)....she had this odd, latently smug 1/4 smile while saying "My child was certainly smarter than..."

I know it sounds cold, but I didn't like Sue Johnson (Scott Johnson's mother)....she had this odd, latently smug 1/4 smile while saying "My child was certainly smarter than..."

Can you refresh me on what case this was? I don't remember a Scott Johnson case.

They actually have the Johnson case up on unsolved.com, in Unexplained Death....and I'm too lazy to re-type it :)

Thanks for the directions to look at the link at Unsolved. This came back to me as an accident that the mom wants classified as a murder because she can't admit that her son played with fire and died. Frankly I don't know a lot of young boys who would NOT want to try to light something on fire.

As soon as I saw those two small shacks on Unsolved the case it all came back. This was a really sad case, but I think it was an accident.

And I amk sure I posted it before but EVERYONE in the Sammy Wheeler case annoyed me. They were all so smug and arrogant on screen I shudder to think how they behaved off screen.

The investigator in the Dawalloby (sp?) case annoyed me: "I know they will tell you they were feeling harrassed but someone inside that house had something to do with it." Well yeah, when you are constantly telling people they killed their daughter they begin to feel a little annoyed!

I think that whole group in the Sammy Wheeler segment is on just about everyone's list.

You gotta love the UM producers for airing that episode. Holy cow! Who can ever forget Danny Wheeler announcing to the whole world, "I didn't think she was a good lookin woman."

I wonder if any of that bunch ever visits here and discovers their infamy...

Thanks for the directions to look at the link at Unsolved. This came back to me as an accident that the mom wants classified as a murder because she can't admit that her son played with fire and died. Frankly I don't know a lot of young boys who would NOT want to try to light something on fire.

As soon as I saw those two small shacks on Unsolved the case it all came back. This was a really sad case, but I think it was an accident.

I'll have to disagree with you there, this one reaked of murder.

the boys could have easily gotten out of the shack on their own accord. the only way they couldn't was if someone was holding the door shut - which appears to be the case as they found a board with a large burn hole in it, which was probably used to hold the door shut. Plus you have not one, not two, but three eyewitnesses that say they saw the murderers.

I definitely think Scott and his friend were murdered - the mother bugs me nonetheless

The prosecutor (I think) in the Michael Lloyd Self case. He wouldn't even entertain the possibility that Self was innocent. All because Self signed 3 confessions, never mind that all the confessions didn't match the facts of the case. Never mind that Self was bullied into making that confession, by a cop that was later nailed for armed robbery, and what Self described is backed up by another cop. And never mind that someone else confessed to the murders, and knew everything the cops withheld from the media. And his confession matched up with the facts of the case.

The prosecutor from the Tommy Ziegler case, is up there as well.

I'll have to disagree with you there, this one reaked of murder.

the boys could have easily gotten out of the shack on their own accord. the only way they couldn't was if someone was holding the door shut - which appears to be the case as they found a board with a large burn hole in it, which was probably used to hold the door shut. Plus you have not one, not two, but three eyewitnesses that say they saw the murderers.

Please disagree at will! I freely admit I do not remember the specifics of the case. I would need to see it again to say for sure if it was an accident or murder. But yes I do remember the mom and her smug smile.

You gotta love the UM producers for airing that episode. Holy cow! Who can ever forget Danny Wheeler announcing to the whole world, "I didn't think she was a good lookin woman." And he said it in that twang that one can never ever forget. And then didn't he make a snide comment about playing for the Chicago Bears with Michael Jordan? It was like, dude....put the attitude away, thanks.

VikingsGal,

What's so sad about these Spike eppies is that they cut out goodies like the "michael jordan" part of Danny Wheeler's awesome quote. Even if you go to youknowwheretube and look them up, a lot of people have uploaded the spike versions, so it's hard to find the originals.

So that little piece of television gold is lost to history. :(

The prosecutor (I think) in the Michael Lloyd Self case.

Seconded.

The son of the original coroner in the Leroy Drieth segment. He wasn't interviewed in the UM episode, but he was unwilling to discuss the case with Drieth's sister, instead commenting on his father's twenty five year career and how he did everything he could in the case. Obviously, he didn't; he didn't even perform an autopsy.

Dennis DePue's coworker. He seemed like a shmuck who was more interested in being dramatic than he was observing a solution to the case

I know my answer will probably be controversal, but one person that comes to mind that absolutely drove me nuts, was the mother of the baby who was kidnapped outside of a porta potty during a swap meet. Watching that episode when I was like 10 years old, I remember thinking, even then, "what the hell is she thinking! Someone's going to take that baby!"
Sorry to step on toes, but her actions are absolutely idiotic. I feel for the mother, I do, as it was probably a momentary lapse of good judgement, one she is kicking herself still today for, but nonetheless, it was STUPID!!!!!! You're just asking for it!!!!!

God bless her though, and the little baby, that we can only hope went to a good home. Bumping a very old post but I as wondering around I found this post and it all came back to me. I wanted to yell at the mom as she went into the porta potty. And the real kicker was: HER MOM WAS AT THE SWAP MEET!!!! Go find your mom, then pee. Or....bring the baby in with you as you pee. Yes teh baby would have to lie on the filthy floor but at least the baby would be with you. A bit of creative juggling but really......

The lead investigator in the Dowalibly case annoyed me: "I know someone in that house was involved." Well I gues you have to say that rather than admit you are wrong.

Once UM starts up again next week I am sure I'll have plenty more people to complain about.

The lead investigator in the Dowalibly case annoyed me: "I know someone in that house was involved." Well I gues you have to say that rather than admit you are wrong.

For sure. What a jerk. He reminds me of the sheriff in the Kathy Bonderson case: when your initial ideas are wrong, just admit it. You're not "sticking to your guns"; you're just acting like an idiot.

The sheriff in the Bonderson case WAS annoying..."I'd like you to have the boys flush it out....wire pinch or something.....medical workup..." very shifty!

Oh yeah, the Sheriff in the Bonderson case was annoying. He passed away in 1997. However it seemed to me that he was just determined to not have that case be labeled a homicide. In fact, he would go off and speculate and consider EVERYTHING, except homicide. I mean, first off, the car was not damaged on the outside except from the arson. The fuel tank which had several gallons of gas in it was full and undamaged despite the massive fire. Plus the keys were not melted. I mean, this was an obvious homicide and Rob Bonderson got away with it because of a sheriff that was either unable or unwilling to investigate.

My guess is, Bonderson and his wife got into an argument and he ended up killing her. He panicked and decided to try to cover it up by making a rather clumsy attempt at making it look like a car accident. I am actually amazed anyone would buy that theory. I think after he got out of the car and doused the car that he took the keys with him initially at least because it is natural to take your keys out of the ignition when you park your car. At some point he realized he still had them and returned to the scene and threw the keys in the car. Also, why Bonderson pretty much hightailed it out of North Dakota not long after his wife's murder. I think when that Sheriff left office is when Bonderson moved out of state. Then when he realized that he was going to finally go down for this he went and killed himself.

Other ones that annoyed me, the prosecutor in the Stuart Heaton case, Don Sheafor. The prosecutor in the Larry Race case, John DeSanto. The assistant state attorney currently assigned to Tommy Ziegler's case, Jeff Ashton. The Chief of Police in the Dawaliby case. He was a total jerk. The prosecutor in the Luis Diaz case. The cop in the Stephen Marfeo segment along with Marfeo himself. Mark Nichols, Jule Caylor, Paul Pollis and his mother. Chad Noe and his whole despicable family. Lisa Penz, Doug Crow, the prosecutor in the Glen Consagra case. The Sheriff in the Norman Ladner case.

One thing I don't get about that case - redirect to another thread if need be - how did Bonderson's husband stage the accident and return to his home? Did he walk the whole distance, or was that 2nd car somehow involved?

Well, it is possible that he drove the car out there and then after setting it on fire walked back to town. It was in October I believe, so it would have been chilly but not ice cold and so a walk certainly would have been tolerable. It could be that the truck seen traveling behind the car was involved, that is entirely possible. Rob would have been risking a lot by involving another person but it seems this person never talked. So if another person was involved in driving him back to town after he set the car on fire, I would guess it was either a very close friend of his or a relative. IT could also be that the truck was not involved and just happened to be driving behind the car. However it would be risky for Rob to set the fire when he knew another car was in the area. It even could be that Kathy left the house in her car and that Rob got in his truck and followed her out into the country and they got into an argument there and killed her. Like I have said, it is just amazing that this was not ruled a homicide from the get go. Rob was pretty sloppy. He left a gas can not far from the car.

I always thought it was strange how no one from Bonderson's family was interviewed, iirc.

I always thought it was strange how no one from Bonderson's family was interviewed, iirc.

Yeah, that was weird. I can't immediately recall any other segments like that (although they certainly exist I'm sure). I also think it's weird when no photograph of the victim is shown.

Yeah, that was weird. I can't immediately recall any other segments like that (although they certainly exist I'm sure). I also think it's weird when no photograph of the victim is shown.

The most obvious examples I can think of are the Clifford Sherwood story with hardly any mention of George Gumbley (sp?) - the boy who disappeared with Clifford. There was a real interesting and enlightening thread recently where a family member commented that the UM producers did contact George's family and asked a few questions, but didn't take it any further.

There was also the Scott Johnson case where there was hardly any mention of the other boy killed in the burning shack. No interview with a family member nor even a name mentioned. :eek:

Darlie Routier's husband, Darin. I didn't like him or the smurk he had on his face !

There was also the Scott Johnson case where there was hardly any mention of the other boy killed in the burning shack. No interview with a family member nor even a name mentioned.

This has bothered me also.

1. It could be as simple as the parents are just too broken up and maybe didn't want any publicity and asked UM to leave the childs name out.

2. This may be another example of UM leaving a vital piece of info just to screen callers.

3. What i think might be the real reason is that the family may be fearful of having their names and the child's name appear for fear of retribution by the murderers. They might have had another child that they want to protect.

The Scott Johnson case was just incredibly weird all the way around. No apparent motive, totally unprovoked. :(

The Scott Johnson case was just incredibly weird all the way around. No apparent motive, totally unprovoked. :(

There was a drug angle, iirc. It's pretty tenuous, like most drug angle theories presented on UM, but it's there.

I really think these kids were murdered though. I don't see how they could have just sat in there and burned to death when they could have just easily pushed the door open.

I wonder if the perps could have molested them and that's why they were killed.

I wonder if they were molested as well; thinking about the fire, it may make sense. Little, if any, evidence of a sexual assault would've been left behind, and the entire concept of the boys being killed in a fire very close to home, in a place they often frequented in play, is far easier to accept as accidental than it would have been if the two were discovered in a secluded location they had "no business" being at.

I wonder if they were molested as well; thinking about the fire, it may make sense. Little, if any, evidence of a sexual assault would've been left behind, and the entire concept of the boys being killed in a fire very close to home, in a place they often frequented in play, is far easier to accept as accidental than it would have been if the two were discovered in a secluded location they had "no business" being at.

Not that this means a whole lot, but one of the witnesses who saw the two men force the kids into the shack claimed that one of the boys looked drugged and was basically carried in. This would lead me to believe the boys had some kind of prior altercation with the perps before the fire was set and the murder staged.

Assuming his statement is true. I believe that particular testimony came from a convict.

I can't remember the name of the person, but there was a case where three people (2 adults, and a child where one of the adults had a disability on her arm) that were supposedly dropped off at a Walmart parking lot after a disagreement in a car. The guy (ex husband I think) claiming that he had no idea where they disappeared to...I seriously think he knew something. Anyone remember this case? Please help me out here...

I can't remember the name of the person, but there was a case where three people (2 adults, and a child where one of the adults had a disability on her arm) that were supposedly dropped off at a Walmart parking lot after a disagreement in a car. The guy (ex husband I think) claiming that he had no idea where they disappeared to...I seriously think he knew something. Anyone remember this case? Please help me out here...
That's the Wendy Camp case.

Bob Bean and his smirk of shame are back! Pat Snead and Danny Wheeler are back on my tv.

All of them, in their white trashy glory!

Yeah Wendy Camp's ex-husband Chad REALLY irritated me. So did his grandmother. Typical murderous white trash, IMO.

On that point about families not showing their faces in their relatives murders etc

Judith Himes springs to mind. I'm sure there was some family members of hers still alive to speak to UM.

Also the case of Kurt Sova and the little information at all given about the death of Eugene Kvet.

Also another is the woman who showed dogs for a living and became a man Cam Lyman. I think her sister may have been on that but I can't recall for sure.

I want Bob Bean and Wendy Camp's husband's relatives to get together for dinner.....

Darlie Routier's husband was annoying to me as well: His mullet needs to be cut. Darin, ditch your mullet.

I want Bob Bean and Wendy Camp's husband's relatives to get together for dinner.....

Darlie Routier's husband was annoying to me as well: His mullet needs to be cut. Darin, ditch your mullet.

I couldn't stand Darin Routier either. I remember he appeared on Sally Jessey Raphael when Darlie was first sent to prison and he was so whiny and annoying on the show and he kept whining about Darlie's surgery was 20 grand.

Last week I watched the segment on Cecilia Newball the pregnant woman who disappeared. I had seen this segment a few times before but for some reason Alfredo Newball was just annoying to me.

I mentioned this before...EVERYBODY in the Paul Pollis segment (both families). As far as Charlotte Pollis' mother, I still feel she is the single most obnoxious person to ever be interviewed on UM (that was not a suspect in the crime in question). I don't mean to sound insensitive, but from the first time I saw that segment, I felt she was every bit as obnoxious as Pollis came across. That Nagy lady either has a huge set of grapefruits or has no brain to kidnap her granddaughter. Talk about a way to completely cripple your own defense should any custody hearings ever take place (if paul is ever charged. I do think he is guilty).

Pat Mealbach's money-hungry daughter also comes to mind.
Franklin Delano Floyd...

I want Bob Bean and Wendy Camp's husband's relatives to get together for dinner.....

Oh yeah! Jewel Caylor, Paul Pollis and Wayne Hecker could be invited too. :lol:

~Jule Caylor, hands down. Never have I seen anyone that looked so guilty.
~The prosecutor in the Stallings case- I cannot believe they got a conviction when his own arguments conflicted with the actual evidence! Thank goodness she was acquitted. That prosecuter should have lost his job.
~ Chad Noe and his grandmother. Not to mention, even if they were telling the truth, I don't CARE how bad an argument gets- you do not leave someone with MS (let alone with a child and someone you don't know well) stranded.
~Floyd. He was a snarky criminal trying to act like he did a good thing- and still wouldn't admit that the boy wasn't his son after DNA tests came out. Boo. Not to mention, he probably kidnapped the boy's mother and victimized her.
~Cedric Young. I thought his tears were completely faked when his twin confronted him.

~Jule Caylor, hands down. Never have I seen anyone that looked so guilty.
~The prosecutor in the Stallings case- I cannot believe they got a conviction when his own arguments conflicted with the actual evidence! Thank goodness she was acquitted. That prosecuter should have lost his job.
~ Chad Noe and his grandmother. Not to mention, even if they were telling the truth, I don't CARE how bad an argument gets- you do not leave someone with MS (let alone with a child and someone you don't know well) stranded.
~Floyd. He was a snarky criminal trying to act like he did a good thing- and still wouldn't admit that the boy wasn't his son after DNA tests came out. Boo. Not to mention, he probably kidnapped the boy's mother and victimized her.
~Cedric Young. I thought his tears were completely faked when his twin confronted him.

I couldn't stand Cedric Young either.

Curtis Croft. He knew much more than he was saying. Plus, I hated the way he described how the board hit him and Jenny - "she was out of it" - uh, YEAH, her skull was just crushed.

Larry Gibson. Enough said.

The investigators in the Oberholtzer/Schnee murder investigation. I don't think it was a coincidence that the first few name captions said "FORMER" sheriff or whatever. Finding a business card in someone's wallet makes you a murder suspect? Breckenridge had a population of around 2000 people at that time - it was not a strong connection at all. Poor Jeff Oberholtzer - all those years of being wrongly accused. There's been a number of spouses (Caylor, Nichols, Sherman, Pollis, etc) who look guilty, but he was never one of them.

That French Canadian dude who had amnesia, the one with the "beautiful headache" got on my nerves for some reason.....

LOL. I'm beating several people to the punch when I say this, but I can think of several "concerned husbands" who came off as pretty darn insincere in the UM segments:

1. PAUL POLLIS-- Duh. We all know how I (and several others) feel about him and his desire for an obsessively clean house.

2. STEPHEN MARFEO-- The fact that he committed a murder-suicide in the last day of his life makes me wonder if he didn't kill his wife as well.

3. MARK NICHOLS-- WHO remembers EVERYTHING their wife took out of the closet... seriously?

4. CHAD NOE-- Nevermind the fact that I think he was totally involved in the disappearance of Wendy Camp. I just don't like him. Period.

Chad Noe for sure is my #1 most disliked person on UM. Forget that everyone except for local police seems to think he and his family are responsible for the disappearance of Wendy, her daughter and sister in law. This guy openly admits to divorcing Wendy because she had MS and then wouldnt let her see her son even after the courts told him to. Theres a special place in hell for people like him.

I was thinking of adding Stephen Geri to this list. He made some odd, yet memorable, statements such as the comment about his relationship with his wife being the best relationship he ever had with "an individual". What does that even mean? What else could he have been in a relationship with?

Then, when prompted for a statement presumably about the reason his former in-laws were suing him for the wrongful death of their daughter, he busted this out (paraphrased):

"two things run this world, sex and money. It wasn't about sex, was it?"

Strange guy. I still don't think he was responsible for his wife's death though. There wasn't any evidence and it seemed like his wife's family had it out for him.

Stephen marfeo was obnoxious as was the investigator working that case (the one who said "it's not consistent" then gives a know-it-all smirk).

Speaking of know-it-all smirks, the boy that asks young Jim Boumgarten to play basketball ("it's Billy") was someone I wante dto punch as a kid. I'm past that now. lol

Jule caylor is like Bob Bean--completely unlikeable but hilarious at the same time. BTW, the only answer to what happened to Dotty Caylor can be found in one of our National Parks....just my guess.

Dotty Caylor can be found in one of our National Parks....just my guess.


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Explain, please?

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Explain, please?

Gladly. Jule caylor was an entomologist (he studied insects, worms, and other small animals) for the National Park Service. He had access to areas of National parks that the general public would never see. All Jule had to do was kill Dottie, put her body in his vehicle (it would be easy to hide a body amidst work tools for a short period of time, especially if he had a work vehicle which would have been a 4WD SUV -type to allow navigation across rugged terrain and drive her to one of these locations). It would also be very easy for him to explain why he would be in a remote location of a park (for work). With his job, he would have little overhead or direct supervision which would again allow him plenty of time to dispose of a body. Jule would not even have to bury Dottie's body. A dead body left in the woods will last about 3 days tops before it is entirely consumed by animals. Jule is a smart man and disposing of Dottie's body in this manner would make it almost impossible to ever recover a body. Also to conduct a search of an entire National Park would be an impossible task. This has always been my theory on Dottie's disappearance.

Costine's ex-wife. I mean, obvious they had their problems and were divorced for a reason. But was there really need to be so snarky after something terrible happened to him? I didn't care for her attitude at all.

For me it is the kid that didn't want to identify himself from the Kurt McFall Case. Just how he was taking about the 'cult' made me think he just wanted his 15 min of fame. I know that the priest did it, but man that kid was annoying.

For me it is the kid that didn't want to identify himself from the Kurt McFall Case. Just how he was taking about the 'cult' made me think he just wanted his 15 min of fame. I know that the priest did it, but man that kid was annoying.

While I think Kurt's death was accidental, I absolutely agree about the annoying interviewee. How after-school special was it when he compared "the cult" to a "drug addiction"--where you keep needing more and more "until you're a junkie"? :lol:

Hello everyone, I'm a longtime UM forum reader, first time poster

I've been a fan of UM since I was a kid in the eighties -

I'm a fan of the forums so how could I not post a list of my own regarding People interviewed on UM that I didn't like?


So in no particular order, here we go!


1) Paul Pollis - How could you not have him on this list?

2) Don Dixon - Oh man, where do I start with this freak? He should really work on his fake crying

3) Speaking of freaks, next we have Michael W. Anderson, Cindy Anderson's dad. He seemed more put off that his daughter skipped meals, wore make-up and started integrating with the rest of society rather than she had been missing for many years. Also the fact that he just really came off as a self-righteous, pompous jack-ass.

4) Gabriel Carrillo aka "Carrhotic" or whatever the hell his D & D name was. I just look at this dude and wanna scream out "NEERRRDD!" Well that and like, throw a ten-sided die at his stupid face. And why would anyone (on national television, no less) even say "If I wanted to murder somebody"?!?
But hey, what do I know?

5) Jule Caylor - Is there anything even remotely likable about this guy? I'd say...um.. no!

6) Mark Nichols - It's guys like him, Jule Caylor and Paul Pollis that makes you wanna scream "Divorce is a much better option!" How do these guys even get with women, let alone marry them? Better yet, how do they mange to get away with murdering them?!

7) The KROQ Deejay's - Wow. How did these two assclowns not get any prison time for committing fraud?
Just the fact they stone-faced lied about it (again, on national television) and all the while, a murdered young woman's mom thought this might be her glimmer of hope to solving the case

8) Paul Pollis' mom - Call me cynical, but this woman would be the LAST person I'd want my defense team to cross-examine on the witness stand

9) Can't remember the name or quite remember the case, but the one with the Grandma whose toddler grandson freaks out after seeing a painting of the Devil and Jesus. Her voice just keeps going to a higher register. It was from one of those stupid ghost stories - actually, they were all pretty stupid. It was like I really wished the UM crew coulda just given her a bottle of Jack so she would calm the hell down.

If any one can help me remember which episode this was, I'd greatly appreciate it!

Honorable mention - Bill Wacker

At the start of the Wackers story I empathized, but towards the end just got more and more angry for wasting my damn time


So there ya have it - I'm sure I will add more in due time

People on UM who irritate me the most:

1. Jules Caylor. 'Nuff said.
2. Clifford Sherwood case: The father, Nefi Sherwood. Not only did that
guy have to have kidnapped his son, but he sounded like a real jerk.
3. Michael Anderson: I agree with all the other posts regarding this guy.
He didn't seem to have much emotion on his daughter's passing, and is
very unpopular among other UM fans so far. ;)
4. Gabriel Carriello (Kurt McFall story).

And, my most disliked person on UM, of all time is....

1. I can't recall the guy's name, but it was the story of a prison inmate
who kidnapped a prison officer's wife. The prison officer seems like
an arrogant, controlling husband for some reason. I have to wonder if
maybe the lady who was kidnapped left, albeit partially, of her own free will.
The kidnapper died in June 2007 (and his obit was in the NY Times), about two years after the wife went back to her husband.

People on UM who irritate me the most:

1. Jules Caylor. 'Nuff said.
2. Clifford Sherwood case: The father, Nefi Sherwood. Not only did that
guy have to have kidnapped his son, but he sounded like a real jerk.
3. Michael Anderson: I agree with all the other posts regarding this guy.
He didn't seem to have much emotion on his daughter's passing, and is
very unpopular among other UM fans so far. ;)
4. Gabriel Carriello (Kurt McFall story).

And, my most disliked person on UM, of all time is....

1. I can't recall the guy's name, but it was the story of a prison inmate
who kidnapped a prison officer's wife. The prison officer seems like
an arrogant, controlling husband for some reason. I have to wonder if
maybe the lady who was kidnapped left, albeit partially, of her own free will.
The kidnapper died in June 2007 (and his obit was in the NY Times), about two years after the wife went back to her husband.

Randolph Dial

One stands out in my mind. Wayne, from the Tara Brekenridge case. Because he was her boyfriend and I believe he is a psychopath and the one who murdered her. I can't recall his last name, but he comes across to me as arrogant and deceitful. Her body has never been found.

The family that probably killed Wendy Camp and her family.. especially the grandma.. total bit*h


BTW Im new to this and I was wondering how did all of u get pics from UM as ur "default" pics or how can u post these pics on here?(as a thread)?

:( Im confusseedd :mad:

BTW Im new to this and I was wondering how did all of u get pics from UM as ur "default" pics or how can u post these pics on here?(as a thread)?

:( Im confusseedd :mad:

Welcome! :wave: Well as far as pics on our avatar, there are probably easier ways to do it than I do but I use my dvds of UM. I find a pic I like on the tv screen pause it and then take a picture of it with my cellphone, email the pic to myself and then save it to my computer and then attach it as my avatar. I have also in the past found a pic of someone profiled on UM on the internet (for example some pics of missing people can be found on doe network or charley project) and then paste the url in the "change avatar" screen on here. Hope you followed that, lol.

Laura Burbank's parents for letting their young daughter go alone to a carpark to be picked up by David Harry Fischer.

Welcome! :wave: Well as far as pics on our avatar, there are probably easier ways to do it than I do but I use my dvds of UM. I find a pic I like on the tv screen pause it and then take a picture of it with my cellphone, email the pic to myself and then save it to my computer and then attach it as my avatar. I have also in the past found a pic of someone profiled on UM on the internet (for example some pics of missing people can be found on doe network or charley project) and then paste the url in the "change avatar" screen on here. Hope you followed that, lol.

LOL that is a LOT of work CD, my goodness!

Another easier way is to think of the case you want to use, and type in the name/names/case name and google image search. I usually do that. I have also been known to do image captures from episodes hosted on the sight which shall not be named.

The store clerk and police who accused Michael Scott Martin of robbery even though he was seven by five people, some he didn't even know at his home fixing his motorcycle and watching Battlestar Gallatica. I mean seriously, why would the store clerk be afraid to show his face to a camera if the person who he accused is in jail, is serving for life? Maybe because he knew he put the wrong guy behind bars and didn't want his family to come after him.

I'm dissapointed sometimes that half of my family is from Texas, their form of justice sometimes is just incredibly corrupt.

He wasn't exactly interviewed, but was the focus of the case, or arrest for the crime. The Julie Cross segment was deffiently one of THE most disturbing reenactments I have ever seen. (Mainly because when she is shot she makes a grunt noise, pretty sure it's an early segment and they didn't know how to make them "less disturbing). Disturbed by the case I decided to google her. Guy was arrested for the crime, but you know what's messed up?

Andre Alexander is on this Canadian Death-row pen-pal list. This website not only declares everyone's innocence who is listed, but offers people the chance to write these gruesome characters letters, and a lot of them including Andre are looking for "romance". I've been anti-death penalty my whole life, but I seriously found myself questioning what I believe after stumbling on this site. Yes, they're human and deserve attention, but there is just something sickening about this guy's ad, doesn't help that he unnecessarily killed someone with a shotgun...
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see for yourself.
http://www.ccadp.org/andrealexander.htm

The store clerk and police who accused Michael Scott Martin of robbery even though he was seven by five people, some he didn't even know at his home fixing his motorcycle and watching Battlestar Gallatica. I mean seriously, why would the store clerk be afraid to show his face to a camera if the person who he accused is in jail, is serving for life? Maybe because he knew he put the wrong guy behind bars and didn't want his family to come after him.

I'm dissapointed sometimes that half of my family is from Texas, their form of justice sometimes is just incredibly corrupt.

excellent call, bryndis. In fact, I'm going to put Doyle and that police officer on my list of 'people on UM you tried to like but just couldn't" thread I started.

Definitely that Paul Pollis guy and his icy mother..... I think we know who he inherited the creepy gene from.
The mother on the theory that Paul killed "Char":
[church mouse voice]
"Oh, my. I think that's just absurd. My whole family has lived in this area for over 40 years. I only cleaned the floor because the baby pooped all over it and I didn't want to get feces on myself."

:rolleyes:

[church mouse voice]
"Oh, my. I think that's just absurd. My whole family has lived in this area for over 40 years."

:rolleyes:

When people try to convince you how innocent they are by pointing out how many years they've lived in an area without any problems.... it always raises a red flag. If you're innocent, it goes without saying. You don't need to bolster your argument by pointing out the obvious.

But maybe my job is just making me cynical. :crazy:

The KROQ DJ's were flat out *********s. I loved the Update where Stack called them liars. For them to lie on camera with straight faces really pissed me off. And then they got off with a slap on the wrist.

The KROQ DJ's were flat out *********s. I loved the Update where Stack called them liars. For them to lie on camera with straight faces really pissed me off. And then they got off with a slap on the wrist.
:wave: Same here! I love the look on his face when he says they were lying. Don't piss off RS! They were such jerks. They shouldn't have been allowed to go back on the air. "There are real definite lines you don't cross..." Ugh! At least they got called out by UM.

Can someone update me on the KROQ deejay situation? I remember something about it but I am still foggy....

Anyone who's uttered the phrase "I'm not a violent person". Mark Nichols and Chad Noe both said that very phrase. I don't know why, but whoever says that phrase always ends up sounding even more guilty!

Can someone update me on the KROQ deejay situation? I remember something about it but I am still foggy....

The KROQ DJs hosted a radio show called "Confess Your Crime," in which a man called and claimed to have murdered his girlfriend. The DJs insisted that they did not make the story up to boost ratings, as "there are real definite lines you do not cross." The LAPD spent many, many hours of time (and presumably a good deal of funds) investigating the call. Families called in a lot, thinking the mystery caller could have been the one to have hurt their daughters, sister, friends, etc. It turned out the call was a hoax; Baxter and Ryder had lied flat-out on camera. They were taken off the radio show for a few days (the accomplice caller turned out to be an intern, I believe); then they were all reinstated. As far as I know, Baxter and Ryder still work for the station. They should have been given charges for wasting precious police time and funds that could have been put into real cases, as well as for giving false hope to relatives of victims who believed the caller could be related to these cases. :mad:

Jack Barrett was the worst, a complete and utter fool. His whole position on the Joyce Chiang case was beyond absurd.

The cop interviewed in the Norman Ladner case seemed to be in denial about the fact that evidence pointed to him being murdered instead of his theory of suicide. The fact that he wouldn't even acknowledge the possibility that Norman might have been murdered was absurd.

Some more folks I just couldn't stand on the show:

Larry Race (I think that's his name)-Prosecutor from the case of the
lady who froze on a sinking raft in the Great Lakes. He came off as
incredibly arrogant, especially when he said that the story wasn't
appropriate for Unsolved Mysteries. How rude, since they invited him
on the show!

Story of lady in Arizona (?) who was married to wealthy WWII vet and
was murdered in her home-They feature the sister and friend on there.
The friend just seemed arrogant, and the sister seemed cold. She says
on the show "she was mine" in regards to her sister. So I guess she
owned her? They just really rubbed me the wrong way (the sister/friend).

Dennis Depue-What a disgusting person. His wife should never have been
treated that way and then murdered. It makes sense he shot himself and
took the easy way out rather than facing the music.

I was just about to add the prosecutor from the Larry Race case. "This is not an appropriate case for Unsolved Mysteries because it's not an unsolved mystery in my mind." Um, excuse me? Just because you're convinced doesn't mean it's beyond a reasonable doubt. A lawyer should know better. He's not as bad as the prosecutor in the Stallings case but still very arrogant.

Jule caylor ,of course.and wendy camp's mother in law.and chad noe, of course.
and the whole lot of them on the sammy wheeler segment..altho i felt sorry for his brother,they were all rather annoying,from bob bean's beady eyes,to his ex wife snarking on about how her friend told her that sammy's twin was in love with her (yeah....riiiiight).i really got the feeling his bro. was telling the truth when he said he didn't think she was an attractive woman! LOL.why she said that,who knows.i just found them all annoying,his bro. whining "CO-IN-SEE-DENCE" as well.poor sammy.what a family.

Kay Beeman, for making out with her convict boyfriend in the back of the police car - shown in the update. Why the heck were they even in the same car together? So tacky.

Glen "Pants on Fire" Consagra. Whatever, dude.

I actually didn't mind the prosecutor from the Larry Race segment. I thought he covered all his bases - maybe he was just more emphatic about the points because of the nature of the show. Who knows what happened on that boat.

Don Kemp's mother. I'm sorry for her pain, but her explanations were really weak.

Jimmy Aprille. He kept referring to all the money as his. Didn't Melvine do all the work in the later years for their business? I actually felt kind of sorry for her.

Ben Markowitz - he seemed really cocky and unconcerned in his interview about his half-brother Nick's murder at the hands of Jesse James Hollywood's gang.

Betty Fields-Day - or whatever her last name is. She is utter trash for ignoring the courts and taking Christophe away from his father Bill.

Leonard Rizzo - "I fought the house, and I guess you can say the house won". What a douche. He killed Monika, plain and true.

Chad Noe and his family - what self-centered egotists, not to mention arsonists.

Not sure he's been mentioned, because I didn't go through the whole thread post by post, but someone I definitely am not crazy about was John Burris, the attorney for Tim Bindner. I'd say the guy is either crooked, or at the very least, extremely incompetent. He kept flat-out insisting that his client was innocent, and that his creepy and peculiar habits should not be viewed with suspicion. Seriously, Bindner is, at least in my opinion, a creep at best and someone highly detrimental to children at worst, and even though someone else was convicted of the murder of Amber Swartz, I still think that Bindner is somehow involved in one or more of those bay area kidnappings.

Ben Markowitz - he seemed really cocky and unconcerned in his interview about his half-brother Nick's murder at the hands of Jesse James Hollywood's gang.

You would think he would show some kind of guilt over him being the reason Hollywood kidnapped and eventually killed his brother but you don't really see it in the segment, do you? Instead, he just sort of laughed off the thought of ever taking Hollywood seriously until it was too late. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire family disowned him years ago.

I had to roll my eyes in the movie 'Alpha Dog,' where the guy playing Ben was able to single-handedly beat up four grown men who were trying to jump him at once. I highly doubt the real Ben Markowitz was ever that much of a badass.

I see a lot of hate for John DeSanto, the prosecutor on the Larry Race segment. For what it's worth, I didn't find the comment in question too arrogant. I think DeSanto was confident that he did the right thing and got the correct verdict. Other comments he made on the case in the media, even after Race was paroled, affirmed this. If anything, I thought DeSanto's comment was kinda funny/cool. Almost like it's waste of time devoting a story to Race because it's so obvious Race was guilty.

I see a lot of hate for John DeSanto, the prosecutor on the Larry Race segment. For what it's worth, I didn't find the comment in question too arrogant. I think DeSanto was confident that he did the right thing and got the correct verdict. Other comments he made on the case in the media, even after Race was paroled, affirmed this. If anything, I thought DeSanto's comment was kinda funny/cool. Almost like it's waste of time devoting a story to Race because it's so obvious Race was guilty.

I don't know, I found it to be a bit of a swipe at the UM staff. Plus, I can understand why he would say that he was confident that Race was guilty, but his statement suggested that nobody should ever have any doubts about Race's guilt ever, I think that was going a bit far IMO.

This is certainly a minor one, compared to some of the other scumbags mentioned in this thread, but ever since I was a kid, I couldn't stand that lab technician who examines the skull in the Glen/Bessie Hyde segment. He comes across very arrogantly, and practically implies that anyone who actually believed that skull belonged to Glen Hyde is a moron.

I don't know, I found it to be a bit of a swipe at the UM staff. Plus, I can understand why he would say that he was confident that Race was guilty, but his statement suggested that nobody should ever have any doubts about Race's guilt ever, I think that was going a bit far IMO.

I understand what you're saying. Personally, I never took DeSanto's comment as a jab at UM. Saying that the case isn't appropriate for UM just reinforces his point that it's not a mystery because Race is guilty. I would wager that the UM crew didn't take offense either since the comment was left intact on the segment.

Technically, DeSanto is correct. It's not a mystery. Larry Race was convicted of murder so the case is solved as far as the law and criminal justice system are concerned. The only people who it's a mystery to are Larry Race and his supporters.

I suppose the whole issue is somewhat subjective, but, like I said, I never took offense to DeSanto's comments.

This is certainly a minor one, compared to some of the other scumbags mentioned in this thread, but ever since I was a kid, I couldn't stand that lab technician who examines the skull in the Glen/Bessie Hyde segment. He comes across very arrogantly, and practically implies that anyone who actually believed that skull belonged to Glen Hyde is a moron.

I always thought the editor had a bit of a sense of humor because of the way this was pieced together.

"The bones submitted are not the bones of Glen Hyde" ::Long Pause:: "Period" ::Semi-Long Pause:: "End of story".

Robert Stack: "But the story does not end there..."

Personally, I never took DeSanto's comment as a jab at UM. Saying that the case isn't appropriate for UM just reinforces his point that it's not a mystery because Race is guilty. I would wager that the UM crew didn't take offense either since the comment was left intact on the segment.

Technically, DeSanto is correct. It's not a mystery. Larry Race was convicted of murder so the case is solved as far as the law and criminal justice system are concerned. The only people who it's a mystery to are Larry Race and his supporters.

I suppose the whole issue is somewhat subjective, but, like I said, I never took offense to DeSanto's comments.

I agree. I never thought DeSanto was being arrogant, I took it as more of a confident statement that Race was guilty and convicted, therefore there is no mystery.

Forgive me if someone mentioned him already, Joe Nickell on the spontaneous human combustion segment. He is just a jerk about anything he can't explain. I don't know if i believe in sponateous human combustion or not but I am not going to dismiss it. Joe Nickell is just one of those skeptics that will flat out say that they don't know what happened but then give their opinion as if it's a fact. Yeah, maybe these people accidently set themselves on fire but dont be a jerk about it mustache man!

Here are my picks, off the top of my head of course:

Jenny Pratt's mom

Judge Robert Corlew (he wasn't interviewed though, was he?)

Paul Pollis

Oh yeah, who is this Cindy Anderson's dad who is highly disliked? I don't remember the case!


OLD post but Im gna bump it! I also disliked Jenny Prat's mom. To me, it's like she wanted Jenny and everyone else to know taking care of her was a burden.

Crystal Spencers boyfriend. I've just watched the case again and I find it incredibly irritating that he keeps referring to her with her full name. Not 'I think Crystal ...' it's 'I think Crystal Spencer was ...' which seems very formal for someone who was supposed to be in a relationship with her.
And don't get me started on them dumba**e neighbors of hers. GRRRRRRR.

Don Sherman. "I had nothing to do with disappearance of Linda Sherman, nor her death." This is your wife we're talking about here. Why are you smirking while saying it? Why does it look like you don't care about what happened? Why use her full name? And also, your own daughter thinks you did it. Hmm...Not saying he's guilty just because of his demeanor but his attitude bothered me.