...because Carl was an atheist. Yet James was not exactly a religious man. He cursed and yelled a lot, and never said the grace. James also didn't go to church like Florida did. So I'm kind of puzzled that ER felt so strongly about it. :confused: I've been taking the seasons out of the library one by one, and this just struck me. What do you all think?

...because Carl was an atheist. Yet James was not exactly a religious man. He cursed and yelled a lot, and never said the grace. James also didn't go to church like Florida did. So I'm kind of puzzled that ER felt so strongly about it. :confused: I've been taking the seasons out of the library one by one, and this just struck me. What do you all think?


we don't know if Esther rolle ever complained about the Carl character because the source of where the info came from was never confirmed

Well, for one thing James wasn't an atheist.....he believed in God. He just didn't go to church. Carl didn't believe in God at all, so I can see where ER might have had a problem with that.

Well, for one thing James wasn't an atheist.....he believed in God. He just didn't go to church. Carl didn't believe in God at all, so I can see where ER might have had a problem with that.


but ther still is no source comfirming that she had a problem with the character

The problem that Esther had with the whole Carl thing, among all the other issues she had with the show, was it was not quite a year when James passed away for Florida to go into a relationship, get engaged and married all in the same year. James and Florida had a deep love for each other and for him the way he died was devastating enough but to go into another relationship immediately was a bit much. I did not like the Carl character myself.

Florida Evans even changed that season and she was not as likable as she was in the James seasons. She was a little fun to be with and watch. It seemed like after James passed away Florida got more holier than thou, pissed off at the world and not as fun. Then I believe Esther was so unhappy with the way the show was going that it was projected on screen. That season compare it to the final season where Florida toned down a bit.

The problem that Esther had with the whole Carl thing, among all the other issues she had with the show, was it was not quite a year when James passed away for Florida to go into a relationship, get engaged and married all in the same year. James and Florida had a deep love for each other and for him the way he died was devastating enough but to go into another relationship immediately was a bit much. I did not like the Carl character myself.

Florida Evans even changed that season and she was not as likable as she was in the James seasons. She was a little fun to be with and watch. It seemed like after James passed away Florida got more holier than thou, pissed off at the world and not as fun. Then I believe Esther was so unhappy with the way the show was going that it was projected on screen. That season compare it to the final season where Florida toned down a bit.


WHERE IS ALL THIS INFO COMING FROM? What newspaper, what magazine? what TV show? Why should i take any of this information about esther rolle seriously?

WHERE IS ALL THIS INFO COMING FROM? What newspaper, what magazine? what TV show? Why should i take any of this information about esther rolle seriously?
This came from the E True Hollywood Story they had on Good Times.

This came from the E True Hollywood Story they had on Good Times.
:nod:

This came from the E True Hollywood Story they had on Good Times.
I'd like to see that show. Whenever an actor/actress is unhappy doing a show it often spills over on the character. ie: Bewitched season 8, Good Times season 4.

This came from the E True Hollywood Story they had on Good Times.


I have the THS of Good Times on DVD and will watch every second of it tonight and prove to you that there was never any mention of Esther Rolle not being happy with the carl character.

This came from the E True Hollywood Story they had on Good Times.


I see you like to make up stories because I just watched every second of the true hollywood story of Good times and there was never any mention of Esther Rolle not liking the carl Character. So from this point on anything you post will be viewed as a joke

I also watched it and don't see any mentioning of ER not liking the "Carl" character.

...because Carl was an atheist. Yet James was not exactly a religious man. He cursed and yelled a lot, and never said the grace. James also didn't go to church like Florida did. So I'm kind of puzzled that ER felt so strongly about it. :confused: I've been taking the seasons out of the library one by one, and this just struck me. What do you all think?
Talking solely abt the character Flo and the character Carl, then YES, I agree with you. James never mentioned religion as something he believed, relied upon, had enormous faith in, etc. He did talk to God once because of his own insecurity. Florida was the religious one in the house. I did see James bow his head at the dinner table as prayers were said.

Florida ending up with a man who was atheist is so out of character for her. I guess love is blind and dumb.

I also watched it and don't see any mentioning of ER not liking the "Carl" character.


Posting False Information should result in a BAN-lol i agree, that's why I was confused everytime someone said something about Esther not liking the Carl Character because no one never posted a source of where the info came from

Posting False Information should result in a BAN-lol i agree, that's why I was confused everytime someone said something about Esther not liking the Carl Character because no one never posted a source of where the info came from
Here's another source of Esther's unhappiness of Florida quickly getting into a relationship so quickly: http://www.tv.com/good-times/florida-and-carl/episode/39123/summary.html

If you saw the E True Hollywood Story on Good Times even the producers acknowledged that they made a mistake in the Florida and Carl relationship. If wasn't Moses Gunn that Esther was unhappy about she was unhappy with the quickness of Florida getting involve with another man and just the whole direction of the show. It was an ongoing issue even when John Amos was on the show.

The tragic thing about this was the show could had went down as a classic but with all the backstage fighting that went on it came out in the performances.

Here's another source of Esther's unhappiness of Florida quickly getting into a relationship so quickly: http://www.tv.com/good-times/florida-and-carl/episode/39123/summary.html

If you saw the E True Hollywood Story on Good Times even the producers acknowledged that they made a mistake in the Florida and Carl relationship. If wasn't Moses Gunn that Esther was unhappy about she was unhappy with the quickness of Florida getting involve with another man and just the whole direction of the show. It was an ongoing issue even when John Amos was on the show.

The tragic thing about this was the show could had went down as a classic but with all the backstage fighting that went on it came out in the performances.



Tv.com is not a source, plus they don't state where they got the info from so as far as I'm concerned the story is false

Tv.com is not a source, plus they don't state where they got the info from so as far as I'm concerned the story is false
Isn't TV.com just like IMDB and Wikepedia, where anyone can insert information on their site? I am pretty sure it is.

Isn't TV.com just like IMDB and Wikepedia, where anyone can insert information on their site? I am pretty sure it is.


Yes-lol Annd how do I know? Because I was the editor for the episode guides of CPO Sharkey and That's My Mama before the site turned into TV.COM. When I was the editor it was called tvtome.com

Yes-lol Annd how do I know? Because I was the editor for the episode guides of CPO Sharkey and That's My Mama before the site turned into TV.COM. When I was the editor it was called tvtome.com
I liked it better when it was TvTome. I hate it now as TV.com. Not worth viewing. Only for the episode order do I even look at that site.

I liked it better when it was TvTome. I hate it now as TV.com. Not worth viewing. Only for the episode order do I even look at that site.


I agree, it was so much better when it was tvtome.com. I was addicted to that site in 2002/2003

The show was plague by so much strife from season 1 up to the end. It's unfortunate because Good Times had the potential of being a classic series because it dealt with a family in poverty in a real manner plus the family sticking together through it.

One way to settle this. Does anyone have a whole transcript of that E! True Hollywwood Story on Good Times or a summary at least?

One way to settle this. Does anyone have a whole transcript of that E! True Hollywwood Story on Good Times or a summary at least?


I already said I watched the THS of Good Times on DVD last week. There is nothing else to discuss on the Esther Rolle not liking the Carl Character because it's not true