to her dad? "If you knew how to run a business mark would still have a job you blew it big time daddy and everyone knows it but I'm the only with the guts to say it"


Saw this ep again last night and still couldn't believe it, Roseanne should have defintely slapped her for taking disrespecting your father to a new level. I wonder what Clair huxtable would have done?-lol

I completely agree with you. Roseanne and Dan just stood there and let her get away with it too. If I was Becky's parent, I would've slapped her across the face and grounded her for life.

I had a thread a while back and I vented and spewed my dislike for how Becky behaved. I realize she is a teenager and I realize I too was a teenager and we will spew out sh*t we don't realize is mean and stupid. However, Becky was smart, she at this point was only thinking abt MARK and only Mark. She was worried/jealous he would find someone else. She knew how hard it was for her family and especially Dan to run a business and barely making it.

I hate that she got all pissed off because her "college fund" was no longer available. Well, what did she think paid the two mortgages? Remember, there was the house mortgage and the second mortgage for which Dan received to HELP START HIS BUSINESS. I hate her attitude which was down right mean and selfish. She could go to junior college, big deal, she didn't get to go to a high-priced university. And as a matter of fact, it was said in the second episode that Becky was going to take her high school equivelency exam and go to junior college. So what the f*ck was she throwing her stupid little hissy fit for? She hurt her father, the one man she could depend on to be there for her, and he was! Parents aren't perfect, Dan did the best he could and he was a damn good father.

Thank you Solomon for allowing me to vent all over again! :lol:

i thinnk 9 spankens with a belt would have did it to tell and you the truth Becky was my least favorite character.

If I spoke to my parents like the Conner kids did, I would need skin grafts on several parts of my body.

Roseanne didn't want to hit her kids because she got hit as a kid.

I think Dan and Roseanne established a mouthy, express yourself kind of attitude by setting an example. We all love the show because they are earthy and say what they want to. It backfires, though, when parents go too far and don't set realistic limits.

If they were so "real," then real parental responses should have been a part of it.

Control those brats.

If I spoke to my parents like the Conner kids did, I would need skin grafts on several parts of my body.

Roseanne didn't want to hit her kids because she got hit as a kid.

I think Dan and Roseanne established a mouthy, express yourself kind of attitude by setting an example. We all love the show because they are earthy and say what they want to. It backfires, though, when parents go too far and don't set realistic limits.

If they were so "real," then real parental responses should have been a part of it.

Control those brats.
I heard that. Man, if I ever talked to my family like that (and I did) I sure dealt with the consequences. I was too old to be spanked. I had never been spanked as a child. However, there were repercussions for my "tone and attitude". It's called PUNISHMENT. Dan did feel like a failure and it didn't help when Roseanne made that statement, "It's not true Dan. I would have the guts to say it to you." (referring to Becky's response abt she being the only one with guts to say it to Dan that he f*cked up business wise.)

If you notice it wasn't until Miss Becky realized there wasn't any money for college that she had her tantrum. She didn't give a damn abt what her mother and father were going through. They had TWO mortgages over their heads. Not Mark. Mark had a job offer and through her petty jealousy she wanted him to refuse it. SELFISH!!!!!!

I had a thread a while back and I vented and spewed my dislike for how Becky behaved. I realize she is a teenager and I realize I too was a teenager and we will spew out sh*t we don't realize is mean and stupid. However, Becky was smart, she at this point was only thinking abt MARK and only Mark. She was worried/jealous he would find someone else. She knew how hard it was for her family and especially Dan to run a business and barely making it.

I hate that she got all pissed off because her "college fund" was no longer available. Well, what did she think paid the two mortgages? Remember, there was the house mortgage and the second mortgage for which Dan received to HELP START HIS BUSINESS. I hate her attitude which was down right mean and selfish. She could go to junior college, big deal, she didn't get to go to a high-priced university. And as a matter of fact, it was said in the second episode that Becky was going to take her high school equivelency exam and go to junior college. So what the f*ck was she throwing her stupid little hissy fit for? She hurt her father, the one man she could depend on to be there for her, and he was! Parents aren't perfect, Dan did the best he could and he was a damn good father.

Thank you Solomon for allowing me to vent all over again! :lol:



It would have been YEARS!!!!!!! before I would have spoken to her again if I was Dan

It would have been YEARS!!!!!!! before I would have spoken to her again if I was Dan
He was pretty shaken by the whole thing. Not to mention angry at her for running off and getting married. Rightly so.

sorry for being harsh.

I agree becky was way out of order saying that and they let her get away with it so then she thinks that shes right.My parents would of slapped me,but then again i wouldnt of spoke like that in the first place.This shows though that alot of kids are like that especially these days.;)

Wow, you're pretty violent. No way would they ever let them show a parent doing that on mainstream network TV.

Good grief! People slapping people? That just DOESN'T happen at my house! As for Becky talking to her dad that way, it was bound to happen, and I would have thought something was amiss if it hadn't, at some point. The Becky character was always the good girl, quietly taking a back seat, while Darlene's wisecracking and acting out took center stage. Dan and Roseanne's focus was mostly on her. Becky never got the praise she deserved for her good grades, or any major appreciation for the work required/expected of her around the house. Everything was a waiting game for her. Remember when Dan led her to believe they would help her buy a car? That was just a (mean-spirited?) joke he played on her. Maybe Becky shouldn't have talked to her father that way, but, she was a pressure cooker, to say the least-- it had to happen. And, she wasn't just talking about Mark not having a job because of Dan-- she was addressing ALL the crap that she'd been keeping on the back burner throughout the years.

Good grief! People slapping people? That just DOESN'T happen at my house! As for Becky talking to her dad that way, it was bound to happen, and I would have thought something was amiss if it hadn't, at some point. The Becky character was always the good girl, quietly taking a back seat, while Darlene's wisecracking and acting out took center stage. Dan and Roseanne's focus was mostly on her. Becky never got the praise she deserved for her good grades, or any major appreciation for the work required/expected of her around the house. Everything was a waiting game for her. Remember when Dan led her to believe they would help her buy a car? That was just a (mean-spirited?) joke he played on her. Maybe Becky shouldn't have talked to her father that way, but, she was a pressure cooker, to say the least-- it had to happen. And, she wasn't just talking about Mark not having a job because of Dan-- she was addressing ALL the crap that she'd been keeping on the back burner throughout the years.
Dan never fooled Becky abt a car. He told her she had to EARN AND WORK FOR IT...He told her he and Roseanne would put dollar for every dollar she saved and they would do the same for car insurance. Becky was pissed that she ended up with her mom's old car, but that was because Becky didn't want to wait and work for a car. She wanted A CAR NOW...ASAP. That situation was not Dan's fault. Dan left the house after Bev came up with the idea abt giving Becky her car. Dan went to work and was later told by Mark that Becky would get Roseanne's old car and Roseanne would get Bev's old car. Never was Becky denied anything. She had a roof over her head, she got her fancy prom dress when she wanted, she got to see that boyfriend Mark even though her parents despised him. Becky got her way a lot.

She was selfish, thinking only of Mark. When did Becky say to her parents, "What can we do to help?" "Dad, want me to help you out at the store?" I never heard her offer her help to her own parents.

Dan never fooled Becky abt a car. He told her she had to EARN AND WORK FOR IT...He told her he and Roseanne would put dollar for every dollar she saved and they would do the same for car insurance. Becky was pissed that she ended up with her mom's old car, but that was because Becky didn't want to wait and work for a car. She wanted A CAR NOW...ASAP.Yeah, what kid doesn't want a car as soon as possible? I know Dan had a plan to meet her dollar for dollar. What I was referring to was his lead in to that. He thought it would be funny to let Becky think he was willing to shell out for the car at first. As soon as she happily lit up with the idea of it, he informed her how absurd THAT idea was. It was disheartening for her, not only because she would have wanted the car immediately (what kid wouldn't?, like I said), but her hopes of having her dad actually put her first for once were dashed. And, I found it insenstive of him to think his little "joke" was funny. A lot of parents do this all the time, undermine or rain on a kid's dreams, thinking they are teaching them some sort of valuable life lesson, when in reality, they're just trying to be controlling. I didn't think Becky had that coming. It just added fuel to her inner fire.

There were a few other instances when Roseanne did that to Becky and Darlene. It was her way. If Becky didn't know that by then, she sure was dumb. Besides, when Dan joked around like that, he immediately told her that wasn't true. My God, it wasn't like he told her one day and then told her it was a joke the next day. It wasn't even 10 seconds. Hell, if she can't take a joke like that, she is a spoiled, rotten, selfish b*tch.

Almost every kid wants a car, but they are not prepared for it, they don't want to earn it, they don't want to work for it, etc. which is the lesson that Dan and Roseanne wanted to teach her. If you remember, Dan told Becky if she got a car right now, she would quit her job IMMEDIATELY. He was right. She needed to learn how to work for a car rather than have it given to her. What lesson is there in having things given to you?

There were a few other instances when Roseanne did that to Becky and Darlene. It was her way. If Becky didn't know that by then, she sure was dumb. Besides, when Dan joked around like that, he immediately told her that wasn't true. My God, it wasn't like he told her one day and then told her it was a joke the next day. It wasn't even 10 seconds. Hell, if she can't take a joke like that, she is a spoiled, rotten, selfish b*tch.

Almost every kid wants a car, but they are not prepared for it, they don't want to earn it, they don't want to work for it, etc. which is the lesson that Dan and Roseanne wanted to teach her. If you remember, Dan told Becky if she got a car right now, she would quit her job IMMEDIATELY. He was right. She needed to learn how to work for a car rather than have it given to her. What lesson is there in having things given to you?I'm not talking about lessons, here. I'm talking about how parents go about sending messages to kids. I know it was Dan's "way" to tease Becky into thinking he'd get her a car. He could have just come right out and said he'd match her dollar for dollar, instead of leading her on-- as if that would be funny to her. It only twisted the situation for her. And Dan, her own father, was the "twister." Those approaches don't set well with me, and not to a kid like Becky, who is always having to wait for her share of the happiness, either. I'm sure this little episode entered the character's mind when she spouted off to Dan about Mark losing his job.

I think Dan and Roseanne let their kids get away with too much IMO. Let me tell you something my Parents hated my sister's boyfriend. Their was no way they would have hired him in their store if they had one. They wanted him gone. I also thought it was crazy how they basically adopted David. Yea they sound like mean parents. lol

I'm not talking about lessons, here. I'm talking about how parents go about sending messages to kids. I know it was Dan's "way" to tease Becky into thinking he'd get her a car. He could have just come right out and said he'd match her dollar for dollar, instead of leading her on-- as if that would be funny to her. It only twisted the situation for her. And Dan, her own father, was the "twister." Those approaches don't set well with me, and not to a kid like Becky, who is always having to wait for her share of the happiness, either. I'm sure this little episode entered the character's mind when she spouted off to Dan about Mark losing his job.
:rofl: this whole post just makes me :rofl:

I have been a teen and I am now a mother of two adult daughters and a small son. Life is abt lessons and learning how to work for things. Life is also abt working for what you want. Nothing is handed to you and it shouldn't be. TOUGH LUCK AND TOUGH SH*T! :lol: :lol:

:rofl: this whole post just makes me :rofl:

I have been a teen and I am now a mother of two adult daughters and a small son. Life is abt lessons and learning how to work for things. Life is also abt working for what you want. Nothing is handed to you and it shouldn't be. TOUGH LUCK AND TOUGH SH*T! You're completely missing my point. I'm NOT talking about teaching your kids life lessons. And, by the way, mind those manners. I'm just trying to carry on a civilized conversation. This forum is here for fun and to discuss Roseanne. I don't need to know why you think I'm wrong over AND over again, especially when you're not getting the drift of what I'm saying.

:rofl: this whole post just makes me :rofl:

I have been a teen and I am now a mother of two adult daughters and a small son. Life is abt lessons and learning how to work for things. Life is also abt working for what you want. Nothing is handed to you and it shouldn't be. TOUGH LUCK AND TOUGH SH*T! :lol: :lol:

and you yell at me for breaking up conversations, jeez.

and if there's one thing i know, its that life's not fair, BUT you should do your best to make it that way.

:brent

I agree with you Solomon, Roseanne should've slapped the sh*t outta Becky. Some people are just too dumb to get that they can't have things their way. Becky for being academically smart, sure was stupid and a spoiled brat in those episodes.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

to her dad? "If you knew how to run a business mark would still have a job you blew it big time daddy and everyone knows it but I'm the only with the guts to say it"


Saw this ep again last night and still couldn't believe it, Roseanne should have defintely slapped her for taking disrespecting your father to a new level. I wonder what Clair huxtable would have done?-lol


Dan and Roseanne were pushovers when it came to parenting, they never did punish their kids. So I can see why Roseanne didn't say anything to Becky. There's no way in Hell I could have disrespected my dad or mom. My mom has a way of speaking to you that would hurt more then a hand. That's why I said in the past that my mom reminds me of Claire Huxtable.

Dan and Roseanne were pushovers when it came to parenting, they never did punish their kids. So I can see why Roseanne didn't say anything to Becky. There's no way in Hell I could have disrespected my dad or mom. My mom has a way of speaking to you that would hurt more then a hand. That's why I said in the past that my mom reminds me of Claire Huxtable.
I hear that. Their parenting skills were not the best. They weren't perfect. They didn't have the best of parents to teach them how to be the "perfect parents".

But their kids didn't suffer. The Conner kids should have been happy for what they had rather than what they WANTED. They didn't respect their grandmother, so why should they respect anyone else? Becky only worried abt Becky and Mark. But of course, she was "in love" and when you are "in love" you will say and do stupid things. That is why she ended up in a trailer park. :lol: :lol:

The Conner kids should have been happy for what they had rather than what they WANTED. They didn't respect their grandmother, so why should they respect anyone else? :lol: :lol:And WHAT exactly did the kids have? As for Bev-- the only people on the show who ever showed her any respect was Hal her dance instuctor (and, he was being paid to be nice to her) and Fred, who warmed up to the REAL Bev in that tag where it was just him and her-- revealing her TRUE self. The Bev we usually saw wasn't that likeable. Maybe if she had shown her true self to others, she would have gotten more respect. And, by the way, I've read some of your other posts on the forum and I can't figure out why you watch this show. You don't seem to like many of the characters, or the episode storylines, either, for that matter.

And WHAT exactly did the kids have? As for Bev-- the only people on the show who ever showed her any respect was Hal her dance instuctor (and, he was being paid to be nice to her) and Fred, who warmed up to the REAL Bev in that tag where it was just him and her-- revealing her TRUE self. The Bev we usually saw wasn't that likeable. Maybe if she had shown her true self to others, she would have gotten more respect. And, by the way, I've read some of your other posts on the forum and I can't figure out why you watch this show. You don't seem to like many of the characters, or the episode storylines, either, for that matter.
It's called DISCUSSION. Duh! :rofl: Oooooo, you read all my other posts...damn, you have too much time on your hands. :lol: I love this show, it is right up there with I Love Lucy. However, this is a forum to discuss shows, rant abt the good and bad abt it. Here, I am agreeing with Solomon and his view on this issue. On other threads you will see where I will pick apart the characters and others will too. If you have an opposing view, then post it. But don't hassle with me regarding why why why...:lol:

Bev came from an unhappy marriage. Her husband abused the girls, this was stated by the characters. He also cheated for years on Bev. So, it can only seem obvious that Bev herself was being mentally and emotionally abused. However that father was to his family, sure played a part in how Bev and Roseanne and Jackie ended up in life.

It's called DISCUSSION. Duh! :rofl: Oooooo, you read all my other posts...damn, you have too much time on your hands.
Actually, what I said was "I've read some of your other posts on the forum," not ALL of them.

The original topic of DISCUSSION: Why didn't Roseanne just slap the SH*T out of Becky when she said that horrible thing to her dad?

Roseanne had issues she was dealing with her own childhood abuse. She knew at a very early age that hitting someone as punishment, or for any other reason, is not right. When her father wasn't hitting her and Jackie with the belt, he'd leave it hanging on the wall as a constant reminder of what they were up against.

And, remember episode 133-6, "The Driver's Seat'? When Roseanne's car is stolen by DJ, her violent reaction frightens her that she may repeat the pattern of her own abuse as a child.

There were plenty things Becky spewed that I would have slapped the crap out of her for. She made me sick on that show.

Teenage girls are often rebellious as hell between 14 - 16 but she took it to new heights. I could have killed her for the things she said to both her parents. I think it was a big reason why I stopped watching around that time. I just didn't find the show all the funny anymore - it had TOO much conflict for a sitcom. At least All In The Family kept their conflicts on the funny side. There's nothing funny about a ungrateful brat. :mad:

:rofl: this whole post just makes me :rofl:

I have been a teen and I am now a mother of two adult daughters and a small son. Life is abt lessons and learning how to work for things. Life is also abt working for what you want. Nothing is handed to you and it shouldn't be. TOUGH LUCK AND TOUGH SH*T! :lol: :lol:


You can say that again Irene! I think we might have a generation gap going here or something. Gen X & Y's seem to have had a LOT handed to them in life and they're becoming adults you feel life owes them. They're going to be in for the shock of their lives when they realize the truth.

Hell, we were just thankful to have two parent homes (even if they weren't the Cleavers) and a roof over our head. Nobody gave me a car for graduation, or even a small pen for graduating - I wasn't even allowed to take a scholarship to college. I had to get a full time job the minute I finished high school to help my mom out with rent, etc.. Even when we all got parttime jobs in our late teens we had to start paying board.

Sorry - little off topic there, but Becky and Darlene were hardly "hard done by". They had parents who loved them and did everything they could for them. They weren't abused mentally, physically or sexually.

You can say that again Irene! I think we might have a generation gap going here or something. Gen X & Y's seem to have had a LOT handed to them in life and they're becoming adults you feel life owes them. They're going to be in for the shock of their lives when they realize the truth.

Hell, we were just thankful to have two parent homes (even if they weren't the Cleavers) and a roof over our head. Nobody gave me a car for graduation, or even a small pen for graduating - I wasn't even allowed to take a scholarship to college. I had to get a full time job the minute I finished high school to help my mom out with rent, etc.. Even when we all got parttime jobs in our late teens we had to start paying board.

Sorry - little off topic there, but Becky and Darlene were hardly "hard done by". They had parents who loved them and did everything they could for them. They weren't abused mentally, physically or sexually.
Cathy, you said it so well. I guess people like you and I can see what it is that is spoiled and what a teen is missing out on. Becky was downright spoiled, for someone who really didn't have a lot to begin with! :lol: You and I know Cathy what it means to have things handed to you and to have to WORK YOUR ASS OFF FOR SOMETHING. I was blessed to have a family where I didn't have financial worries. However, being an adult with two grown children and being divorced, no support and injured on the job, I truly know the feeling of wanting to give your children what they deserve and NOT BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. My kids worked hard around the house, they got good grades in school, but they also knew this certain time in their lives things were not financially great and they had to do without certain things. The important thing was my one daughter remained in private school while my youngest daughter made the sacrifice to go to public school. I raised my kids to understand you can't always have what all the other kids have.

Dan and Roseanne provided their kids with clean, decent clothes, a roof over their head and basic utilities, AND FOOD. What else did they need or want? :crazy: GO TO SCHOOL AND EDUCATE YOURSELF SO YOU CAN HAVE A BETTER LIFE THAN YOUR PARENTS, is the message that Dan and Roseanne always told their kids.

Boo, hoo. You know, I'm 53 years old and I could tell you a whole big sob story, too: my mom was divorced with two young kids (maybe you'd call them brats?); we were on welfare; shopped at St. Vincent DePaul; no money for my sister and I to go to college; and when my mom remarried, it was to a raging alcoholic. I never let that get in the way of wanting better for my own child. And, when I have a beef with my daughter, I NEVER find myself wanting to slap her. Why do you think physically/mentally abusing kids should be encouraged?

Why do you think physically/mentally abusing kids should be encouraged?

Not necessarily directing this response at you Farkle, but just to clarify since I mentioned physical, mental & sexual abuse, and that I would have slapped Becky, and I probably would have. I do believe in spanking. There's a difference between spanking and physical abuse - a huge difference in my opinion. My brothers and I got spanked when we deserved it. Usually on the bottom (although I do vividly remember my mother taking a butter knife to an elbow on me once and slapping my face a couple of times when I was older). It never scarred us as adults. We just didn't do whatever we had done to get spanked ever again. Guess you can say I'm old school that way, but I am.
I DO NOT believe in physical abuse or beating a child and of course sexual abuse. I was verbally and mentally abused and that has left a lasting effect much more than any 1 min. spanking. I definitely would never do that. Dan and Rosanne's "teasing" was different - believe me it was different. I can't even repeat some of the things I was called. I still though, had tremendous respect for my parents. I just don't think the character of Becky did. Darlene did, but not Becky and she was given a lot more than a lot of kids out there.

Anyway, thanks for just letting me clarify that. :)

Roseanne mentions a few times that she and Jackie were physically abused by her father. And because of that treatment she and Dan decided not to hit there kids as they were hit. I mean she felt so horrible that one time she spanked DJ.

Boo, hoo. You know, I'm 53 years old and I could tell you a whole big sob story, too: my mom was divorced with two young kids (maybe you'd call them brats?); we were on welfare; shopped at St. Vincent DePaul; no money for my sister and I to go to college; and when my mom remarried, it was to a raging alcoholic. I never let that get in the way of wanting better for my own child. And, when I have a beef with my daughter, I NEVER find myself wanting to slap her. Why do you think physically/mentally abusing kids should be encouraged?
I have never hit my kids. My son is the only one I have spanked on his butt. I think when we say Becky should be slapped (I can't speak for everyone here) she needed something done, some sort of punishment. This "slapping" phrase has taken a literal turn when I and others are using it as a metaphor for something else. How many times I have said "I will kill him" when I referred to my ex-husband. Mind you, doesn't mean I literally wanted to kill him, but I wanted to do something to him, and I did. When Solomon states Becky should have been slapped, I am hoping he means that she needed to be punished, not LITERALLY SLAPPED. Had Becky called her father a derogatory name or something like that, then lower the boom and smack that face. Bottom line, Becky was selfish and not thinking at all abt her father's situation, how he wanted so bad to be successful, he knows he failed, he knows he let his family down financially and so forth. He even loved how Mark did well at the shop. He gave Mark and shot and Mark proved himself a decent, loyal worker. Unfortunately, the business sucked and Dan had to close up. This was a time for Becky (being the oldest, smartest and most responsible) to help out, not scream at Dan for doing his best.

Of course, we know all this was written this way so that Becky out of fear of losing Mark, could run off and marry him and leave the show. But we are talking in general here how a child who was almost 18 and an adult, was being totally selfish.

I know I felt bad as a parent when I was sick and couldn't work and me and my girls were barely making it. But, with their help and understanding, I eventually got out of that financial mess and established myself and live very comfortable now. I am glad for that moment in time when things were bad because I can appreciate the good things in life, rather than dwell on petty things. I feel if Becky thought her life was hell, was pitiful, and so forth, than she really didn't know what it was like to have to do without.

As for the joking Roseanne and Dan did to her and the other two, it was all in fun. They never put their kids down. They never made them think they were dumb. It was done in jest. It wasn't like a few seconds of joking was going to turn Becky, Darlene and D.J. into warped thinking kids or adults. That was not cruel in the slightest.

I guess people who were abused have different opinions than people who weren't. I personally don't see anything wrong with spanking a child. I was hardly ever spanked and if I was I deserved it. Usually I was sent to my room. If I had talked to my parents the way Becky talked to Dan, I would have been grounded for at least 6 months probably. lol What I never did agree with though was the paddling they let the teachers do to us in school. Their was a lot of abuse there and they had no right to touch another person's child.

When i was younger my late father would hit us i really hated my dad for that he was a big guy,even the smallest of things he would just flip.I dont think any child deserves to be hit as they are young and are making mistakes,my mum never hit us,also she use to try stop our dad from doing that.My mum now says in my dads affence it was short temper and working all the time.I hated my dad at those times really i did.But it wasnt just a slap with my dad it was much worse in which i dont wish to discuss.When he wasnt like that he was perfect!

There were plenty things Becky spewed that I would have slapped the crap out of her for. She made me sick on that show.

Teenage girls are often rebellious as hell between 14 - 16 but she took it to new heights. I could have killed her for the things she said to both her parents. I think it was a big reason why I stopped watching around that time. I just didn't find the show all the funny anymore - it had TOO much conflict for a sitcom. At least All In The Family kept their conflicts on the funny side. There's nothing funny about a ungrateful brat. :mad:


My mom and I use to watch Roseanne together, and she stopped watching for the same reason you did. My mom hates it when kids disrespect their parents. Becky and Darlene took it to a whole other level.

There's no way I could call my mom by her first name and still be standing.

My mom and I use to watch Roseanne together, and she stopped watching for the same reason you did. My mom hates it when kids disrespect their parents. Becky and Darlene took it to a whole other level.

There's no way I could call my mom by her first name and still be standing.
"OH! is that RIGHT ROSEANNE!!!!!:mad:
God, what a stupid brat in that scene! I never would have talked to my dad like that. I knew better!


Becky was a little b*tch and needed to be dealt with but good!!!!!!!

"OH! is that RIGHT ROSEANNE!!!!!:mad:
God, what a stupid brat in that scene! I never would have talked to my dad like that. I knew better!


Becky was a little b*tch and needed to be dealt with but good!!!!!!!


Wasn't that the episode where Roseanne takes the girls bedroom door off? :lol:

Wasn't that the episode where Roseanne takes the girls bedroom door off? :lol:
Yep. Like that was really teaching Becky a lesson. How abt no friends, no phone, no television, no stereo and extra chores around the house for three weeks?

Yep. Like that was really teaching Becky a lesson. How abt no friends, no phone, no television, no stereo and extra chores around the house for three weeks?


I would have gotten slapped, my mom can talk to anyone in a tone that it would make a grown man cry. My mom is very intimidating, I think that's where I get my mouth from :lol:

Anyway when Roseanne and Dan grounded the kids, it was like they weren't grounded in the first place. They still went out with their friends and talked on the phone. Like in that one episode when Becky went out with some friends, and Darlene said "Isn't she grounded" and Dan just made a face.

I spill my heart out too much on here dont i sorry people!!;)

I would have gotten slapped, my mom can talk to anyone in a tone that it would make a grown man cry. My mom is very intimidating, I think that's where I get my mouth from :lol:

Anyway when Roseanne and Dan grounded the kids, it was like they weren't grounded in the first place. They still went out with their friends and talked on the phone. Like in that one episode when Becky went out with some friends, and Darlene said "Isn't she grounded" and Dan just made a face.
That was so wrong of Dan. He put Roseanne in a predicament rather than do as Roseanne was doing. He underminded Roseanne. No parent should do that. That's how kids learn to run and play the "Mommy won't let me" game. If one kid can play one parent against the other (as Becky did) they learn that you can get away with sh*t. And that is why Becky ended up and turned around and did just that to Dan in the episode that we are here talking abt. Had Dan put his foot down with Becky early on, she would have learned that she could not just shoot off her mouth like that.

That was so wrong of Dan. He put Roseanne in a predicament rather than do as Roseanne was doing. He underminded Roseanne. No parent should do that. That's how kids learn to run and play the "Mommy won't let me" game. If one kid can play one parent against the other (as Becky did) they learn that you can get away with sh*t. And that is why Becky ended up and turned around and did just that to Dan in the episode that we are here talking abt. Had Dan put his foot down with Becky early on, she would have learned that she could not just shoot off her mouth like that.As I recall, in the episode that you're referring to, Dan inadvertently lets Becky go out with her friends. He actually forgot she was grounded. He didn't intentionally undermine Roseanne's authority.

I have never hit my kids. My son is the only one I have spanked on his butt.Contradictory in my book.I think when we say Becky should be slapped (I can't speak for everyone here) she needed something done, some sort of punishment. This "slapping" phrase has taken a literal turn when I and others are using it as a metaphor for something else. How many times I have said "I will kill him" when I referred to my ex-husband. Mind you, doesn't mean I literally wanted to kill him, but I wanted to do something to him, and I did. When Solomon states Becky should have been slapped, I am hoping he means that she needed to be punished, not LITERALLY SLAPPED. Had Becky called her father a derogatory name or something like that, then lower the boom and smack that face.Another contradiction.Bottom line, Becky was selfish and not thinking at all abt her father's situation, how he wanted so bad to be successful, he knows he failed, he knows he let his family down financially and so forth. He even loved how Mark did well at the shop. He gave Mark and shot and Mark proved himself a decent, loyal worker. Unfortunately, the business sucked and Dan had to close up. This was a time for Becky (being the oldest, smartest and most responsible) to help out, not scream at Dan for doing his best.Becky was hard working, both at home and at her job at Buy N' Bag. Remember? She even got promoted. I still feel she was addressing more than what met the eye in the episode where she let Dan have it. And, what she said was true. I love Dan the Teddy Bear, but he's a slacker. Ambition is not his middle name. And, Becky wasn't the last to remind him of this. When he and his buddies flipped that house and the sale fell through, Dan's good friend, Chuck Mitchell had no problem telling a whining Dan that maybe now he'd have to break down and get a REAL job. He was saying the same thing as Becky, only with an age difference. You don't have to be old to be intuitive.
Of course, we know all this was written this way so that Becky out of fear of losing Mark, could run off and marry him and leave the show.Huh? Becky never left the show.But we are talking in general here how a child who was almost 18 and an adult, was being totally selfish.So, almost-adult Becky can and does take responsibility for herself, yet she's too young to level with her dad when everything is going up in smoke for her... Hmmm? Do I smell a double standard?
I know I felt bad as a parent when I was sick and couldn't work and me and my girls were barely making it. But, with their help and understanding, I eventually got out of that financial mess and established myself and live very comfortable now. I am glad for that moment in time when things were bad because I can appreciate the good things in life, rather than dwell on petty things. I feel if Becky thought her life was hell, was pitiful, and so forth, than she really didn't know what it was like to have to do without.Becky is as blue collar as any of the Connors. Most of the time, they couldn't even afford to dream.

As for the joking Roseanne and Dan did to her and the other two, it was all in fun. They never put their kids down. They never made them think they were dumb. It was done in jest.Roseanne depicted a typical American blue collar family who had problems that they dealt with as best as they could when they arose. Even though their parenting was sarcastic, caustic remarks were balanced by scenes of affection and support so the stability of the family was never truly in doubt. In this case, the writers decided to color out side of the lines.It wasn't like a few seconds of joking was going to turn Becky, Darlene and D.J. into warped thinking kids or adults. That was not cruel in the slightest.Dan's so-called joke took him only seconds to deliver, but will probably have a lasting effect on his daughter-- and I don't mean that in the positive sense. Toying and teasing with somebody's dreams isn't funny to them, no matter how thick their skin is. There is no good lesson to be learned here. Dan's joke maybe made him feel better about being less than, and took the focus off him not being able to come through for his kids, but to Becky, it was just a twist of the knife.

Contradictory in my book.Another contradiction.Becky was hard working, both at home and at her job at Buy N' Bag. Remember? She even got promoted. I still feel she was addressing more than what met the eye in the episode where she let Dan have it. And, what she said was true. I love Dan the Teddy Bear, but he's a slacker. Ambition is not his middle name. And, Becky wasn't the last to remind him of this. When he and his buddies flipped that house and the sale fell through, Dan's good friend, Chuck Mitchell had no problem telling a whining Dan that maybe now he'd have to break down and get a REAL job. He was saying the same thing as Becky, only with an age difference. You don't have to be old to be intuitive.
Huh? Becky never left the show.So, almost-adult Becky can and does take responsibility for herself, yet she's too young to level with her dad when everything is going up in smoke for her... Hmmm? Do I smell a double standard?
Becky is as blue collar as any of the Connors. Most of the time, they couldn't even afford to dream.

Roseanne depicted a typical American blue collar family who had problems that they dealt with as best as they could when they arose. Even though their parenting was sarcastic, caustic remarks were balanced by scenes of affection and support so the stability of the family was never truly in doubt. In this case, the writers decided to color out side of the lines.Dan's so-called joke took him only seconds to deliver, but will probably have a lasting effect on his daughter-- and I don't mean that in the positive sense. Toying and teasing with somebody's dreams isn't funny to them, no matter how thick their skin is. There is no good lesson to be learned here. Dan's joke maybe made him feel better about being less than, and took the focus off him not being able to come through for his kids, but to Becky, it was just a twist of the knife.


Becky needed a kick in the ass, I'm a parent who doesn't take anything. I don't let my two girls rule my house, my husband and I do that. So yes I will spank my kids if they get out of line (not my youngest she's only1 1/2). And when I said that Becky should have been slapped, I meant it, she should have been slapped in the mouth. Dan and Roseanne both worked hard for the things that they had and to provide for their family. Dan worked his butt off to try to keep his shop open, that was his dream. And when he had to close it that hurt him. And then to have a bratty ass teen in your face calling you a failure just because her slacker ass boyfriend had to leave town. And they have been taken care of her ass all of her life. Yeah I would have knocked Becky down and taken her down a very levels.

You don't disrespect your parents, no matter what. I would never talk to my mom and dad like their crazy. Even now that I'm a grown woman with a husband and kids, I still wouldn't dare speak to my mom and any kind of disrespecting tone.

And Becky should have been working at the Buy-N-Bag, it was time that she should have been buying her own things. Just because you work and go to school doesn't mean that you deserve brownie points. That's what teens are supposed to do. That's called RESPONSIBILITY, that's when you start to really learn about buying things that you want and paying your own bills. You work for things you want, parents aren't going to be there forever.

Becky needed a kick in the ass, I'm a parent who doesn't take anything. I don't let my two girls rule my house, my husband and I do that. So yes I will spank my kids if they get out of line (not my youngest she's only1 1/2). And when I said that Becky should have been slapped, I meant it, she should have been slapped in the mouth. Dan and Roseanne both worked hard for the things that they had and to provide for their family. Dan worked his butt off to try to keep his shop open, that was his dream. And when he had to close it that hurt him. And then to have a bratty ass teen in your face calling you a failure just because her slacker ass boyfriend had to leave town. And they have been taken care of her ass all of her life. Yeah I would have knocked Becky down and taken her down a very levels.

You don't disrespect your parents, no matter what. I would never talk to my mom and dad like their crazy. Even now that I'm a grown woman with a husband and kids, I still wouldn't dare speak to my mom and any kind of disrespecting tone.

And Becky should have been working at the Buy-N-Bag, it was time that she should have been buying her own things. Just because you work and go to school doesn't mean that you deserve brownie points. That's what teens are supposed to do. That's called RESPONSIBILITY, that's when you start to really learn about buying things that you want and paying your own bills. You work for things you want, parents aren't going to be there forever.
Touche! You said it. Although I never hit my girls, my spanking my son is NOT HITTING. That is spanking. I would never resort to smacking my child in the face unless they said something so off the wall and derogatory. I was never hit as a child and it was purely because of RESPECT AND FEAR.

Becky, whether she is an adult or teen, she had no right to speak/yell at her father the way she did.

If you see the episode where Becky (Lecy Goranson) is wanting to go back to school to get an education, Mark doesn't want her to. They are in their rickety trailer home. Becky practically cried to Roseanne and told her "Why didn't you stop me from marrying Mark?" :brent WHAT A LOAD OF CROCK!!!!

Even as a 21 year old, though a legal adult, Becky was immature as ever. She was blaming her mom for "allowing her to run off with Mark and elope" :rolleyes: :rolleyes: , then! she started blaming Mark for the fact that they were "nowhere in life" and living in a trailer!!!!!

:brent STUPID ASS BECKY, had she not gotten so full of herself and thinking of only Mark, she wouldn't be living in those conditions. Compared to how she had it made living at home, she had it made at home.

I agree with Brieannas, you don't talk to your parents that way. Parents aren't perfect and it isn't like Dan f*cked up on purpose. He tried and he tried hard. The business failed. It happens.

Becky was at an age where she could work. What is wrong with learning responsibility? Obviously she didn't learn (typical :rolleyes: ) because with work you learn to be prompt, to learn to deal with the public, you earn money, etc.

The way it is being said by you Farkle is that the Conners were so damn poor, Becky was working her ass off and she achieved all this and deserved to be treated oh so perfectly! :brent :brent Let me laugh at this for awhile!!!!

Like Brieannas said, and I will put it in my own words: SO F*CKING WHAT? BOO HOO FOR BECKY CONNER...POOR BABY, SHE CAN'T BE JOKED WITH, YOU CAN'T TELL HER TO GO TO WORK, OH MY IT WILL AFFECT HER EMOTIONALLY AND MENTALLY. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :crazy:

Becky had it made. She had a home, a roof over her head, she could go to junior college with grants and scholarships, loans, etc. She could have done better, instead she is pitying herself for ending up in dire straits with Mark FOR THE DECISION SHE HERSELF MADE. She should have listened to her parents when they told her they wanted her to have a better life than they did. B*TCH DIDN'T LISTEN DID SHE? :brent

So yes I will spank my kids if they get out of line (not my youngest she's only1 1/2).Now don't you go spoiling that youngest one! ;)

Although I never hit my girls, my spanking my son is NOT HITTING. That is spanking.I bet your son thinks it's hitting. :boxing:

I bet your son thinks it's hitting. :boxing:
You would because your stuck in your thinking. There is a difference between a swat on the behind and a hard slap to the face for something trivial. My son knows better because I haven't had to spank him since the last time I did that. What was that, almost a year ago. Had I not spanked him he would think that he could get away with sh*t...much like your beloved Becky Conner who thinks her sh*t don't stink...until she is stuck in a trailer park. :brent :brent :brent

I am tired of this. You can talk to yourself abt this mess. I know and certainly most people on here know that Becky was a selfish b*tch and needed punishment.

You live in your own isolated world where all spanking and punishments and joking around is CRUEL AND INHUMANE. BOO HOO. :rolleyes:

You would because your stuck in your thinking. There is a difference between a swat on the behind and a hard slap to the face for something trivial. My son knows better because I haven't had to spank him since the last time I did that. What was that, almost a year ago. Had I not spanked him he would think that he could get away with sh*t...much like your beloved Becky Conner who thinks her sh*t don't stink...until she is stuck in a trailer park. :brent :brent :brent

I am tired of this. You can talk to yourself abt this mess. I know and certainly most people on here know that Becky was a selfish b*tch and needed punishment.

You live in your own isolated world where all spanking and punishments and joking around is CRUEL AND INHUMANE. BOO HOO. :rolleyes:From the experts:

"When parents use force, the only message their young children are getting is that big people are mean and it's OK to use force."

For more helpful information, go here:
http://www.childabuse.com/newsletter/spanking.html

From the experts:

"When parents use force, the only message their young children are getting is that big people are mean and it's OK to use force."

For more helpful information, go here:
http://www.childabuse.com/newsletter/spanking.html

I got spankings when I was a kid, and I never thought big people are mean, that's a load of crap, that's some Dr.Phil sh*t (JMO). I thought if I do wrong things I had to face the music. That's why today you have kids hitting their parents and killing their parents.

I was in the store the other day and this boy was hitting his mom because she wouldn't buy him gum. I've seen teens curse their parents out in public. No way in hell I'll let my kids do that.

I got spankings when I was a kid, and I never thought big people are mean, that's a load of crap, that's some Dr.Phil sh*t (JMO). I thought if I do wrong things I had to face the music. That's why today you have kids hitting their parents and killing their parents.

I was in the store the other day and this boy was hitting his mom because she wouldn't buy him gum. I've seen teens curse their parents out in public. No way in hell I'll let my kids do that.


Fully agree. And now we're seeing the generation that's been raised with the Dr. Spock and Dr. Phil crap - a bunch of spoiled, lazy kids who think the world owes them a living and they can get away with disrespecting teachers, bosses and anyone else.

Beating and abusing a child IS very different from spanking. Apples and Oranges here. It's the PC Police that have tried to merge the two to make it like any form of physical correction is abuse. Total B.S.

Yes, it was a smart idea to open up a business. Even though neither Roseanne or Dan knew anything about running a business, nor did they go to college to learn how to run an effective business. :rolleyes: Come on people!

Sure, Becky was in a sense out of line, but her parents took a gamble and lost. Face it, Roseanne and Dan used Becky's college savings because of their own mistakes. They didn't go to college and were put in debt because of a gamble they took when opening that business. A gamble they lost.

Becky was mad about a lot of things and sure it isn't her fault Mark couldn't find other work in Lanford. But if you were working for a company and they went under, would it really be your fault if you lost a job because they couldn't keep the company running?

I see where Becky is coming from and I don't think she was totally out of line.

Remember, their friend Ziggy, who came into town, is the one with the $20K and the know how on how to run the business...he wanted Dan as his partner. After they obtained the loan from the bank and signed the papers, the friend ditched town, but left the $20K for them to use. Once those papers were signed, they were stuck. I am assuming that Dan and Roseanne were hoping to take a chance and try and hopefully succeed rather than sit on their butts in no-where jobs. I agree, it was taking a huge gamble since they added on a SECOND MORTGAGE, but like I stated, the bank papers were signed. What could they do? Pay a second mortgage and not run the business?

Becky could have been hurt, angry and upset without telling her beloved father that he blew it for everyone. I can only agree that she should have stuck with the college money topic and only that when she vented. By her spewing abt Mark and the business she was really venting at Dan abt her possibly losing Mark. At that point, college was FAR FROM BECKY'S MIND. Proof of that is after she married him, she didn't go to school. She and him were working on having a baby. Awwwwwwwww....:rolleyes:

Remember, their friend Ziggy, who came into town, is the one with the $20K and the know how on how to run the business...he wanted Dan as his partner. After they obtained the loan from the bank and signed the papers, the friend ditched town, but left the $20K for them to use.
Riiiight. Ziggy left the money. So this topic is null-an-void. Honestly, Ziggy wasn't qualified to run a company either. And even if he were to have stayed, it was still a huge gamble on Dan and Roseanne's part.

Once those papers were signed, they were stuck. I am assuming that Dan and Roseanne were hoping to take a chance and try and hopefully succeed rather than sit on their butts in no-where jobs. I agree, it was taking a huge gamble since they added on a SECOND MORTGAGE, but like I stated, the bank papers were signed. What could they do? Pay a second mortgage and not run the business?
They could have decided it was too risky to begin with. But they didn't. They chose to take a risk and since they lost, they have to deal with the consequences.

Becky could have been hurt, angry and upset without telling her beloved father that he blew it for everyone. I can only agree that she should have stuck with the college money topic and only that when she vented. By her spewing abt Mark and the business she was really venting at Dan abt her possibly losing Mark. At that point, college was FAR FROM BECKY'S MIND. Proof of that is after she married him, she didn't go to school. She and him were working on having a baby. Awwwwwwwww....:rolleyes:
Becky only started blaming her Dad when they wouldn't let her go with Mark to find another job. Honestly, Lanford seems like a place where there are few jobs. Mark was working for Dan and Dan lost his company. Because Dan did not know how to run a company, Mark lost his job. Honestly, what Becky said is true. If the company had stayed afloat, Mark could have stayed...but because the company failed, Mark was forced to go out of Lanford in order to get a decent job that pays well in a field Mark was good at.

Dan and Roseanne screwed up, and thus people (IE: Mark) lost his job. If McDonalds went under because of their own mistakes, and thousands of people were out of work, everyone would be mad at McDonalds and rightfully so.

Riiiight. Ziggy left the money. So this topic is null-an-void. Honestly, Ziggy wasn't qualified to run a company either. And even if he were to have stayed, it was still a huge gamble on Dan and Roseanne's part.


They could have decided it was too risky to begin with. But they didn't. They chose to take a risk and since they lost, they have to deal with the consequences.


Becky only started blaming her Dad when they wouldn't let her go with Mark to find another job. Honestly, Lanford seems like a place where there are few jobs. Mark was working for Dan and Dan lost his company. Because Dan did not know how to run a company, Mark lost his job. Honestly, what Becky said is true. If the company had stayed afloat, Mark could have stayed...but because the company failed, Mark was forced to go out of Lanford in order to get a decent job that pays well in a field Mark was good at.

Dan and Roseanne screwed up, and thus people (IE: Mark) lost his job. If McDonalds went under because of their own mistakes, and thousands of people were out of work, everyone would be mad at McDonalds and rightfully so.
You mentioned the business without mentioning the beginning of how the Conners got into it to begin with. ZIGGY. Got to mention the whole story, not just pieces.

A DAUGHTER DOESN'T YELL AT HER FATHER. Downright pathetic. You can yell at a company that goes under, that company is not your father. When your father gave your boyfriend a chance to prove himself and your father hired your boyfriend, then, your boyfriend is the one who is taking a risk by working for "family". Dan wasn't the only place in town to work. Becky should have been grateful her dad gave Mark a chance after Mark was such an arrogant thug and totally disrespectful to Dan and Roseanne. Kudos to Dan for putting that aside and giving Mark a chance. Would Mark have done the same? I think not. Family is priority, not help your boyfriend find work. Becky should have been helping her family with what they were going to do. Family is there for you, not your thuggish boyfriend. That's why she ended up in a trailer park.:lol:

Kudos to Dan for putting that aside and giving Mark a chance. Would Mark have done the same? I think not.Yeah, I think Mark would have done the same. When Becky and the rest of the Conners started to give Mark a chance, he started to see his own worth, and the worth in others. He wasn't the thug he led everyone to believe he was. He started to come around almost immediately. I think Dan saw a lot of himself in Mark and wanted to give him the chance he never maybe got, or thought HE deserved. If you don't think Mark wouldn't have done the same, maybe you're still judging him on how he came across when he was first introduced to the show. He wasn't such a tough guy-deliquent at all. He was just hiding behind that exterior, his way of surviving his own family mess. Dan was nice enough to try cultivate him a bit and see what would come of it. He gave him a chance. To assume he wouldn't have done the same isn't giving him much of a chance. Fortunately, people can and do change. In Marks case, I think he was pretty much a nice guy who wasn't allowed to show it at home because kindness didn't happen there much, if at all. What a relief it must have been for him to be able to shed all the crap when the Conner family started to warm up to him.

You mentioned the business without mentioning the beginning of how the Conners got into it to begin with. ZIGGY. Got to mention the whole story, not just pieces.
Ziggy leaving made it harder, but it was still going to be a huge risk even if Ziggy had stuck around, making Ziggy basically irrelevant.

A DAUGHTER DOESN'T YELL AT HER FATHER. Downright pathetic. You can yell at a company that goes under, that company is not your father. When your father gave your boyfriend a chance to prove himself and your father hired your boyfriend, then, your boyfriend is the one who is taking a risk by working for "family". Dan wasn't the only place in town to work. Becky should have been grateful her dad gave Mark a chance after Mark was such an arrogant thug and totally disrespectful to Dan and Roseanne. Kudos to Dan for putting that aside and giving Mark a chance. Would Mark have done the same? I think not. Family is priority, not help your boyfriend find work. Becky should have been helping her family with what they were going to do. Family is there for you, not your thuggish boyfriend. That's why she ended up in a trailer park.:lol:
1. Just because you are family does not mean you can screw them over and expect them to not tell you that you messed up. That's outrageous! Roseanne and Dan yell at their kids and their own parents all the time. Where do you think Becky gets it from? Seriously, how many times does Roseanne yell at her mom? How many times does Dan yell at his dad when his dad tells Dan he should have been a salesman or when Dan yells at his dad over his mother? Honestly, being a father or a mother does not automatically mean your family must respect you, you have to earn it just like everyone else.

2. Yes, Dan gave Mark a chance. That was nice of him and Becky appreciated Dan doing that. HOWEVER, Dan did not know how to run a company, so his company went under. With his company going under, everyone, including his family and all those who worked for Dan's company, got screwed over. It was Dan's fault that Mark had to look elsewhere for a job in his field. Plain and simple. Becky had a right to get upset with her father for taking a gamble and setting Mark up for failure.

Well, actually Roseanne did try to grab her when she was leaving the kitchen, but missed. That was when Dan told her to (in so many words) not to bother.

Who knows what would have happened if Roseanne got a hold of her?

You know, reading all these comments about how Roseanne should have slapped Becky, or, possibly just NAILED her to a cross (if you could all have your way with how the scene should have played out) just draws me to conclude it's the Becky character you hate so much, and WANT to hate so much (or even Lecy Goranson, for that matter) over and over and OVER, again, and would just like to see her exterminated.

Never mind the fact that Roseanne didn't want the abuse pattern she experienced growing up to continue in her own family. Never mind that Becky, approaching her own adulthood, was having a hard time repecting a father who wasn't all that respectable in her eyes (and in others' eyes, too-- look at some of the other episodes. No one is 100% respectable, that's where the human part comes in.)

I could continue, but it's not worth the time-- this thread isn't about "Why Didn't Roseanne Just Slap the S*** Out Of Becky When She Did That Horrible Thing?" (a thread title that makes me cringe everytime I read it), it's about some users just wanting to rant about Becky and spout off viciously about what she did and didn't have coming to her. It (sickenly) amazes me that so many people are getting so much joy out of twisting a knife into this character. Sometimes, I even feel like she is no longer JUST a character to you people, anymore. That's pretty frightening. There is SOOO much hate in the world. This forum topic indicates to me that people think the remedy to hate, is to hate some more. This thread should actually be called the "Let's Hate Becky as Hard as We Can, Stand Back And Laugh, And Then, Hate Her Some More, And This Time With Gusto" thread. Unbelievable...

You know, reading all these comments about how Roseanne should have slapped Becky, or, possibly just NAILED her to a cross (if you could all have your way with how the scene should have played out) just draws me to conclude it's the Becky character you hate so much, and WANT to hate so much (or even Lecy Goranson, for that matter) over and over and OVER, again, and would just like to see her exterminated.

Never mind the fact that Roseanne didn't want the abuse pattern she experienced growing up to continue in her own family. Never mind that Becky, approaching her own adulthood, was having a hard time repecting a father who wasn't all that respectable in her eyes (and in others' eyes, too-- look at some of the other episodes. No one is 100% respectable, that's where the human part comes in.)

I could continue, but it's not worth the time-- this thread isn't about "Why Didn't Roseanne Just Slap the S*** Out Of Becky When She Did That Horrible Thing?" (a thread title that makes me cringe everytime I read it), it's about some users just wanting to rant about Becky and spout off viciously about what she did and didn't have coming to her. It (sickenly) amazes me that so many people are getting so much joy out of twisting a knife into this character. Sometimes, I even feel like she is no longer JUST a character to you people, anymore. That's pretty frightening. There is SOOO much hate in the world. This forum topic indicates to me that people think the remedy to hate, is to hate some more. This thread should actually be called the "Let's Hate Becky as Hard as We Can, Stand Back And Laugh, And Then, Hate Her Some More, And This Time With Gusto" thread. Unbelievable...


At the end of day, becky was qualified to be slapped for her statement toward her father during that difficult financial time for the Conner Family. As a dad who the hell wants to hear that from their daughter when you have so many other things on your mind like-"How are going to get through this tought time?"

Becky did mouth off to her parents, and I thought it was disrespectful. The scene that's being discussed now though, wasn't she married already? Spanking a child is another discussion. Slapping your adult child is quite another. Does anyone actually think that parents should slap their grown kids around, for any reason?

At the end of day, becky was qualified to be slapped for her statement toward her father during that difficult financial time for the Conner Family. As a dad who the hell wants to hear that from their daughter when you have so many other things on your mind like-"How are going to get through this tought time?"Like I said before, in my previous posts, this wasn't just about Mark losing his job due to Dan's inadequacies, this was about Becky setting herself aside for the other two kids, not getting the praise she deserved, doing what was expected of her so her parents could focus on Darlene, having shattered dreams, waiting for the impossible, etc., etc., etc.-- a lifetime blew out of her mouth that day. God, what did you expect from the kid??? Yeah, just slap 'em back into shape, if they're on to you.

Roseanne, would never have slapped Becky:

1. cuz Becky was an adult
2. cuz of what Roseanne's childhood was like...

That episode really made me hate the becky character

Becky did mouth off to her parents, and I thought it was disrespectful. The scene that's being discussed now though, wasn't she married already? Spanking a child is another discussion. Slapping your adult child is quite another. Does anyone actually think that parents should slap their grown kids around, for any reason?


No Becky was still in High School, in that episode Dan lost his shop and in the end Becky ran off to another state and married Mark.

No Becky was still in High School, in that episode Dan lost his shop and in the end Becky ran off to another state and married Mark.
She still wasn't a kid. Even those who believe in spanking their small children can't think slapping a teenage daughter is okay. That's over the top. That makes for a violent household.

Like I said before, in my previous posts, this wasn't just about Mark losing his job due to Dan's inadequacies, this was about Becky setting herself aside for the other two kids, not getting the praise she deserved, doing what was expected of her so her parents could focus on Darlene, having shattered dreams, waiting for the impossible, etc., etc., etc.-- a lifetime blew out of her mouth that day. God, what did you expect from the kid??? Yeah, just slap 'em back into shape, if they're on to you.


What????? So Becky was the victim??? And if so, How?

To the poster who keeps referring as Dan being incompetent to have run a business, etc. Who is to say who will make it and who won't? Roseanne shortly after this chaos ended up getting a business started AND SUCCEEDED. There just wasn't a market for a bike shop. Dan was great at repairing bikes and so forth, but it there is no customers or people were leaving Lanford for other prospects (such as Mark) that would be a reason for the place to fail. Not because of what Dan did.

My father started a business in the 1940's with a 9th grade education. He had no business smarts, he didn't go to business school, he just borrowed the money and took a chance. He ended up doing great and bought another business.

When my father died, I inherited his apartment complex that he owned and here I am doing great with it. I didn't know anything abt real estate or being a landlord, but I learn everyday with common sense and with help by my father's business manager who is a pro at real estate. He is teaching me.

Bottom line, the issue is should Becky have been slapped/smacked across the face? I couldn't see myself doing that to my child. My child has never talked to me or another adult in the manner that Becky did. I do believe Becky should have been reprimanded for speaking to her father in that manner. There is still good old fashioned punishment without resorting to a smack on the face.

Is Becky a victim? No. Of what? That is ludicrious. It keeps being said that Becky was a victim, what abt the two other kids in the house? No one mentions them. What abt their futures? As long as the roof over their heads was still there and would remain there, as long as they had food on their table, as long as Becky had the option of still going to college, whether it was junior college, using grants, loans, scholarships (SOMETHING BECKY SURELY WOULD HAVE RECEIVED WITH HER OUTSTANDING GRADES then what is the problem?

THE REAL ISSUE WITH BECKY WAS MARK, AND ONLY MARK AND MARK FINDING WORK. Sure, she loved the guy, blah blah blah, but her priority should have been to be there for her FAMILY, then her boyfriend. Becky made it loud and clear she was worried Mark would go out of state for work and find SOMEONE ELSE! Oh my, can't let that happen, that would be the end of her world, she can't go to school, she has to let Dad know how it is his fault...(sarcasm here).

And, if you all remember, as I posted on here previously, Becky as a twenty-something adult, while living in her trailer in that rickety trailer park, she started feeling sorry for herself because MARK DIDN'T WANT HER TO PURSUE HER EDUCATION! IS THIS THE MARK THAT SUDDENLY CHANGED FROM A THUG TO A "NICE GUY"????:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Sounds like the same pathetic piece of work to me. That is the same episode where Becky started ranting abt how HER MARRYING MARK WAS ROSEANNE'S FAULT!!!! She then blamed her pathetic life on Mark. Becky was a piece of work alright, she blamed and blamed and blamed. HEY BECKY, IF YOU WANT TO GO GET AN EDUCATION, GO AND DO IT. DON'T LET MARK STOP YOU, JUST LIKE YOU WENT AND MARRIED HIM.

Of course he was going to be nice around Dan and Roseanne when he worked for them, DUH!:rolleyes: You have to be that way to your boss.

How many episodes did we see where Mark and Becky had problems AFTER THEIR MARRIAGE? Too many. Mark was getting pretty hot after that waitress Stacey...Hmmmm, I guess he forgot he was married to Becky.:rolleyes:

What????? So Becky was the victim??? And if so, How?Go back and read the thread.

Go back and read the thread.
I think Brie is asking for a LOGICAL answer. I don't agree she was a victim either.

At the end of day, becky was qualified to be slapped for her statement toward her father during that difficult financial time for the Conner Family. As a dad who the hell wants to hear that from their daughter when you have so many other things on your mind like-"How are going to get through this tought time?"
RIGHT ON SOLOMON!!!!!!! I know all households are different, and although I wouldn't smack my children in the face, I sure would hold them responsible for EVER SPEAKING TO ANY ADULT IN THAT FASHION. Too many kids with no respect turn into adults LIKE BECKY, WHINY, BITCHING, AND BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE FOR THEIR PROBLEMS. :rolleyes:

RIGHT ON SOLOMON!!!!!!! I know all households are different, and although I wouldn't smack my children in the face, I sure would hold them responsible for EVER SPEAKING TO ANY ADULT IN THAT FASHION. Too many kids with no respect turn into adults LIKE BECKY, WHINY, BITCHING, AND BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE FOR THEIR PROBLEMS. :rolleyes:
Your last post stated that you wouldn't slap Becky if she was your kid, and here you're cheering Solomon on for saying Becky should have been slapped. I understand that you wouldn't do it, but do you think it's okay if anyone slaps their teenage girl?

Your last post stated that you wouldn't slap Becky if she was your kid, and here you're cheering Solomon on for saying Becky should have been slapped. I understand that you wouldn't do it, but do you think it's okay if anyone slaps their teenage girl?
I am cheering Solomon for saying that Becky should have been dealt with, however, my post does say all households are different and in mine, I would not do that. I stated that a few times on this thread. I am sure in Solomon's house, that kind of back-talk would have merited a slap across the face. I wouldn't slam Solomon's upbringing if that is what he would do in that situation. All households are different. I am simply agreeing with Solomon that Becky got off easy. SHE QUALIFIED FOR A PUNISHMENT.

Go back and read the thread.


Becky didn’t have anyone to blame but herself for how her life turned out. I get so sick and tired of hearing people blame others when they should point the finger at themselves. I worked my ass off to get into college and while I was there I still worked my ass off to stay there. Becky could have applied for scholarships, grants and loans if she really wanted to go to College. So your whole excuse about Roseanne and Dan spending her College money is soooooooo lame. When someone really wants to accomplish something in their life, they will work their ass off and not sit and have a pitty party.

The only person cared about was herself and Mark and she put her parents feelings and her siblings feels dead last. There’s no way in hell that I would/have ever talked to my parents the way that she did.

I am cheering Solomon for saying that Becky should have been dealt with, however, my post does say all households are different and in mine, I would not do that. I stated that a few times on this thread. I am sure in Solomon's house, that kind of back-talk would have merited a slap across the face. I wouldn't slam Solomon's upbringing if that is what he would do in that situation. All households are different. I am simply agreeing with Solomon that Becky got off easy. SHE QUALIFIED FOR A PUNISHMENT.
It looked like you were agreeing with Solomon for saying that "Becky qualified to get slapped". It looked that way because you quoted him and agreed with him.

Yes or no, do you think it's right for a parent to slap their teenage daughter? See, I think it's dead wrong. I don't care who grew up that way or not. Wrong is wrong.

Keep in mind we are not talking about putting becky in the hospital, i'm just saying a slap in the mouth to let her know she is out of place

Keep in mind we are not talking about putting becky in the hospital, i'm just saying a slap in the mouth to let her know she is out of place
Maybe you should change your thread title, lol. Slap the sh*t out of Becky.

It looked like you were agreeing with Solomon for saying that "Becky qualified to get slapped". It looked that way because you quoted him and agreed with him.

Yes or no, do you think it's right for a parent to slap their teenage daughter? See, I think it's dead wrong. I don't care who grew up that way or not. Wrong is wrong.


Normally no but in a situation like that i say yes. Not a punch in the face, just a slap in the mouth for being disrespectful.

:brent

I agree with you Solomon, Roseanne should've slapped the sh*t outta Becky. Some people are just too dumb to get that they can't have things their way. Becky for being academically smart, sure was stupid and a spoiled brat in those episodes.

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Never mind Irene. I have my answer. Sorry, I missed this post.

It looked like you were agreeing with Solomon for saying that "Becky qualified to get slapped". It looked that way because you quoted him and agreed with him.

Yes or no, do you think it's right for a parent to slap their teenage daughter? See, I think it's dead wrong. I don't care who grew up that way or not. Wrong is wrong.
In my household it wouldn't happen. My growing up it didn't happen. But I know getting out of line would have resulted in a swift punishment. I think a teen can be dealt with in other ways rather than a slap in the face. Seeing that Roseanne was a parent who couldn't or wouldn't spank her children, there are plenty of other options to get a punishment across.

As for Becky being a victim...absurd. :rofl:
As for Becky having the "right to call out Dan" like the way she did, what is your view Janice? I would like to see others views on what Becky did and how horrible that was. Becky is being painted as a victim when the little b*tch didn't even get punished.

As for that post above, with the :brent you can easily see that I was being a "smart-ass" there. Hence the smilies.

Keep in mind we are not talking about putting becky in the hospital, i'm just saying a slap in the mouth to let her know she is out of placeOh, do you mean abuse her in a way that doesn't leave marks? This thread is getting more absurd by the minute. Count me out.

Not every child in this country is punished the same way. Some parents go overboard and some parents believe in spanking. There are some who are "old school" and were brought up to punish children by various means. I am not going to argue whose family is wrong and whose is right, some people will see that situation with Becky and MOST WILL STATE that Becky was outta line and deserve to be punished. Some might say she needed a good smacking in the face. It just depends on your upbringing.

I had a friend when she called her mother a "stupid whore" she got slapped so fast in the face, she didn't see it coming. She was 15. She is now 42 and to this day, she remembers that slap but she also states, "I DESERVED IT." She feels sorry for ever having said that to her mother. She regretted it.

Oh, do you mean abuse her in a way that doesn't leave marks? This thread is getting more absurd by the minute. Count me out.



So a Slap is ABUSE NOW? I don't know what the hell you are talking about. You act like I said body slam becky and then do a leg drop on the kitchen floor-lol No Teenager should get away with saying what Becky said without a slap in the mouth or................ GRABBING HER by the collar and telling her Don't ever say anything like that again.

Count me out.

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So a Slap is ABUSE NOW? I don't know what the hell you are talking about. You act like I said body slam becky and then do a leg drop on the kitchen floor-lol No Teenager should get away with saying what Becky said without a slap in the mouth or................ GRABBING HER by the collar and telling her Don't ever say anything like that again.
I know what you meant Solomon. We have to remember that things we post won't come across as how it should if we were speaking face to face. I can see getting in Becky's face and doing this>>:mad: and letting her know she is waaaaay outta line and she will pay dearly for it by a good punishment.

Well Irene, it's often hard to tell in your posts if you're kidding, laughing with or laughing at another member....as you use smilies in all three cases. As for Becky, sure I felt bad for her. I felt bad for all the Connor kids to be honest. I know their parents loved them and tried, but as teens, they weren't able to give their kids much.

While I was growing up, my father made very good money as a longshoreman. Yes, they make lots of money. My mother didn't have to work. We always had new cars, one-family houses, hot meals everynight, nice clothes, vacations, on and on. So when I see the Connor kids frustrated, I do feel bad for them. Becky went overboard, but she was frustrated. I'm sure she had friends who had great lives, and it bothered her. I had friends like the Connor kids growing up, and I used to feel bad when I went to their houses. The mother was working and it was pizza, McDonalds and hand-me-downs.

So while I don't think Becky was a victim of her parents, I do think she was a victim of the situation she was in. I think every kid deserves an upbringing like the one I had. Not rich or spoiled, just all our needs met without having to worry about our parent's bills. That of course, is in a perfect world which doesn't exist. Becky blew a gasket out of frustration. I've said she was wrong, but I do understand why, and I feel bad for her.

I know what you meant Solomon. We have to remember that things we post won't come across as how it should if we were speaking face to face. I can see getting in Becky's face and doing this>>:mad: and letting her know she is waaaaay outta line and she will pay dearly for it by a good punishment.



My mom was a GRABBER and just pulled you closer to her and let you know that you are out of line right now. So she didn't hit, just grabbed

Well Irene, it's often to tell in your posts if you're kidding, laughing with or laughing at another member....as you use smilies in all three cases. As for Becky, sure I felt bad for her. I felt bad for all the Connor kids to be honest. I know their parents loved them and tried, but as teens, they weren't able to give their kids much.

While I was growing up, my father made very good money as a longshoreman. Yes, they make lots of money. My mother didn't have to work. We always had new cars, one-family houses, hot meals everynight, nice clothes, vacations, on and on. So when I see the Connor kids frustrated, I do feel bad for them. Becky went overboard, but she was frustrated. I'm sure she had friends who had great lives, and it bothered her. I had friends like the Connor kids growing up, and I used to feel bad when I went to their houses. The mother was working and it was pizza and McDonalds.

So while I don't think Becky was a victim of her parents, I do think she was a victim of the situation she was in. I think every kid deserves an upbringing like the one I had. Not rich or spoiled, just all our needs met. That of course, is in a perfect world which doesn't exist. Becky blew a gasket out of frustration. I've said she was wrong, but I do understand why, and I feel bad for her.
See, you said what I said. No one is saying Becky didn't have a right to feel what she did. It is what SHE SAID that Solomon and others have an issue with. I was a teen, and I will tell you, I said some things where I should have been in trouble for saying.

I feel for Becky in that she was "afraid of losing Mark", but that is her insecurity. Eventually Mark would have had to find work in another job, somewhere down the road. It seems everyone is getting confused here, Becky blew up ABOUT MARK LEAVING TOWN FOR WORK, she was no longer upset abt college. If you all see this episode again, that college issue was not on her mind anymore, it was abt MARK MARK MARK. She and him spent the day together and when he dropped the bomb abt leaving the state, that is where she began to lose it. She was all fine and dandy with the way things were. She blamed Dan because of Mark leaving.

To the poster who keeps referring as Dan being incompetent to have run a business, etc. Who is to say who will make it and who won't? Roseanne shortly after this chaos ended up getting a business started AND SUCCEEDED. There just wasn't a market for a bike shop. Dan was great at repairing bikes and so forth, but it there is no customers or people were leaving Lanford for other prospects (such as Mark) that would be a reason for the place to fail. Not because of what Dan did.
Some businesses work and some don't. You take a chance when you start a business and although Roseanne succeeded with hers, Dan didn't with his. As a result of Dan not realizing there wasn't a market for bikes and taking a huge risk, he hurt his family and his employees.

My father started a business in the 1940's with a 9th grade education. He had no business smarts, he didn't go to business school, he just borrowed the money and took a chance. He ended up doing great and bought another business.
I think you are missing the point. It is still a risk and some get lucky or some people are just naturally smart. Dan didn't get lucky and he screwed over his family in the process.

Bottom line, the issue is should Becky have been slapped/smacked across the face? I couldn't see myself doing that to my child. My child has never talked to me or another adult in the manner that Becky did. I do believe Becky should have been reprimanded for speaking to her father in that manner. There is still good old fashioned punishment without resorting to a smack on the face.
I think Becky had every right to get mad at her father. Dan took a risk and lost and as a result Becky's boyfriend was out of work.

Is Becky a victim? No. Of what? That is ludicrious. It keeps being said that Becky was a victim, what abt the two other kids in the house? No one mentions them. What abt their futures? As long as the roof over their heads was still there and would remain there, as long as they had food on their table, as long as Becky had the option of still going to college, whether it was junior college, using grants, loans, scholarships (SOMETHING BECKY SURELY WOULD HAVE RECEIVED WITH HER OUTSTANDING GRADES then what is the problem?
Becky is a victim and so is Mark. The other kids are also victims, when did I deny that? I'm not talking about college or what happened in the future. I'm talking about up to the point Becky started yelling at Dan, which is what this thread is about.

THE REAL ISSUE WITH BECKY WAS MARK, AND ONLY MARK AND MARK FINDING WORK. Sure, she loved the guy, blah blah blah, but her priority should have been to be there for her FAMILY, then her boyfriend. Becky made it loud and clear she was worried Mark would go out of state for work and find SOMEONE ELSE! Oh my, can't let that happen, that would be the end of her world, she can't go to school, she has to let Dad know how it is his fault...(sarcasm here).
I had to re-read this a few times. Anyway, how would Becky staying at home "help her family"...? Honestly, the reason Dan was out of work is because of his own mistakes. Why should Becky have tons of sympathy for him when it was his own fault? The reason Becky cared so much about Mark finding work is because it wasn't his fault he was unemployed, and because she loved him.

I don't have anything against Lecy Goransen or even Sarah Chalke, but I couldn't stand the character Becky through most of the series. Spoiled, whining, smart-mouthed and selfish. Darlene had a mouth on her, too, but she knew when to back off.

The only good thing Becky ever did for the Connors was marry herself away from them for a couple of years. . . . but then she had to come move back in with Mark when they couldn't hack it on their own. I liked Mark, but he just wasn't her type, IMO. I expected their marriage to break up.

Becky worked waiting tables at a sleazy "Hooters" type of restaurant and lived in a trailer? Served her right!

Was the "Daddy you messed up!" episode the one where she eloped with Mark? If I were that family, I would have thrown a great going away party for the ungrateful brat! All of her belongings would have been packed and waiting for her on the porch they showed occasionally.

I completely agree with you. Roseanne and Dan just stood there and let her get away with it too. If I was Becky's parent, I would've slapped her across the face and grounded her for life.


I think that Becky ran off to Minnesota and married Mark after that scene, anyway. I really think the show improved to a certain extent after she was gone.

She was only 17, too. The show should have made her have a baby. Would have served her right! :D

I loved Becky. :)

I watched this episode tonight, and I can't agree with Becky being slapped for that. I argue with my parents now and then, being just as "disrespectful", if not more "disrespectful", than what Becky was then. And my father has been violent to me and hit me several times though, and those have been terrible experiences, let me tell you... Of course, I come from Sweden, and hitting children, even spanking children, is a big no-no here, and that's what I believe too. You shouldn't be violent to someone, who's in any way weaker than you.

Becky did some other stupid things though. First of all, she shouldn't have given up on college, just because she couldn't get financial aid and because her parents had used their savings elsewhere. There are scholarships for college in the US, and if you even can take loans over there too, like we do in Sweden to pay for our educations, why didn't she do that? She could also have settled for a community college. I mean, what the heck? You don't have to go to Harvard, Princeton or MIT to get a degree.

I also wonder why Becky, who seemed to be the smarter Connor sister, fell so head over heels in love with a guy like Mark, who doesn't seem to be her type. Wouldn't someone like that have been more like Darlene's type? But I guess they just happened to like each other. But letting him keep her from getting her education, which seems to be happening later on in the show, is just moronic. She was getting A's in High School. No stupid husband should have kept someone like her from going to college! People get divorces for stupider reasons than that!

The finale told us that Mark and Darlene were in fact, a couple. ;)

Well, wouldn't you know?

:lol:

Did you forget abt the finale when that was revealed?

No way should they have slapped her. They should have punished her, & maybe would have ordinarally, but that wasn't an ordinary day. Basically their whole world was collapsing around them. For Dan & Roseanne, it was watching a dream crumple into dust, and also facing unemployment & the real danger of poverty, foreclosure, bankruptcy.

And Becky was also seeing her dreams crumple - she always seemed to believe that if she got good grades, she could go to a good college. Dan & Roseanne never seemed to inform her that the college fund was gone, (although Becky should've guessed that). So it was a shock to Becky when she realized that that dream just wasn't going to happen for her. She imagined herself stuck in Lanford forever, in the same rut as her parents, and yes she blamed Dan for it. It really WAS irresponsible for the Conners' to launch a new small business w/two kids close to going to college. It was sort of self-indulgent, & placing Dan's own dreams over those of their kids. Becky had always been responsible, studying hard, doing the chores, taking care of the house when her parents were gone, etc. And now she was realizing that all of that meant nothing.

In one day, she was losing her boyfriend, her college plans and her dreams for the future. So I don't really blame Becky - it was a pressure-cooker situation & she went off. It was cruel & hurtful & disrespectful, but in a way she was right. The bike shop was a huge mistake & almost ruined the family.

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Did you forget abt the finale when that was revealed?
I haven't seen the finale yet.

Becky would have been popped in the mouth if she were my child. My mother would have done that to me. Becky was getting away with a lot already. She got car, she was having sex, her boyfriend was working for her father. She should be fortunate. No need for abuse, but in some way, she should have been punished and it can be done in a non-angered way or manner.

But seriously, you should have the right to get angry with anyone, including your parents. For just because they're your parents, it doesn't mean they can't wrong you. I don't think what she said was so bad at all.

Becky would have been popped in the mouth if she were my child. My mother would have done that to me. Becky was getting away with a lot already. She got car, she was having sex, her boyfriend was working for her father. She should be fortunate. No need for abuse, but in some way, she should have been punished and it can be done in a non-angered way or manner.


I totally agree, there's no way that I could have disrespect my parents that way and still be standing straight or teeth in my mouth.

Becky always annoyed me on the show. She was always such a selfish and inconsiderate brat. :mad:

Becky would have been popped in the mouth if she were my child. My mother would have done that to me. Becky was getting away with a lot already. She got car, she was having sex, her boyfriend was working for her father. She should be fortunate. No need for abuse, but in some way, she should have been punished and it can be done in a non-angered way or manner.
Amen brother Amen. I said it here already but you said it well. I just seen that episode today and let me reiterate, regardless, you don't call your father a loser. No father is perfect. No child in my family would get away with that sh*t and I grew up knowing you don't disrespect your family that way.

As I stated, I seen the ROSEANNE mini-marathon they air on Oxygen today. Now let me say this after watching that scene and the NEXT EPISODE that followed. Becky was merely thinking abt HERSELF. She was worried Mark was going to party and meet someone else. She said this to Mark out on the porch. He had a great opportunity to make 3x the money he was earning with Dan. So, Dan's business floundering brought abt a great opportunity for Mark. You know that old saying, "things happen for a reason"? Well, this happened for a reason. It benefitted Mark greatly. If Mark had worked ANYWHERE ELSE BUT DAN'S MOTORCYLE SHOP and was in the same predicament, would Becky have gone over to that owner and told him off? Of course not. Also, Mark would NOT HAVE done what Becky did for him. Becky left school, her family and Lanford to be with Mark. Mark sure as hell would not have done that for her.

In the next episode, Becky is as happy as a clam. She had no care in the world. Her parents were still in a bad predicament but she didn't care. She got Mark and married him. That is all that mattered to her. She was selfish (she was only 17 what do you expect?) and only worried abt what would happen should Mark leave.

Becky mentioned Mark having an apartment and how would he pay rent? Excuse me, Dan didn't force Mark to work for him. Dan offered him a job and Mark took it. That is life, that is the real world. You take your chances. It seems Mark wanted it easy anyways by working for Dan. Fast forward and where does Mark end up working again? At the place where Dan is THE SUPERVISOR and ends up being Mark's boss again. Even Jackie's husband works there.

So all in all, it was all abt Becky. No one else.

Amen brother Amen. I said it here already but you said it well. I just seen that episode today and let me reiterate, regardless, you don't call your father a loser. No father is perfect. No child in my family would get away with that sh*t and I grew up knowing you don't disrespect your family that way.

As I stated, I seen the ROSEANNE mini-marathon they air on Oxygen today. Now let me say this after watching that scene and the NEXT EPISODE that followed. Becky was merely thinking abt HERSELF. She was worried Mark was going to party and meet someone else. She said this to Mark out on the porch. He had a great opportunity to make 3x the money he was earning with Dan. So, Dan's business floundering brought abt a great opportunity for Mark. You know that old saying, "things happen for a reason"? Well, this happened for a reason. It benefitted Mark greatly. If Mark had worked ANYWHERE ELSE BUT DAN'S MOTORCYLE SHOP and was in the same predicament, would Becky have gone over to that owner and told him off? Of course not. Also, Mark would NOT HAVE done what Becky did for him. Becky left school, her family and Lanford to be with Mark. Mark sure as hell would not have done that for her.

In the next episode, Becky is as happy as a clam. She had no care in the world. Her parents were still in a bad predicament but she didn't care. She got Mark and married him. That is all that mattered to her. She was selfish (she was only 17 what do you expect?) and only worried abt what would happen should Mark leave.

Becky mentioned Mark having an apartment and how would he pay rent? Excuse me, Dan didn't force Mark to work for him. Dan offered him a job and Mark took it. That is life, that is the real world. You take your chances. It seems Mark wanted it easy anyways by working for Dan. Fast forward and where does Mark end up working again? At the place where Dan is THE SUPERVISOR and ends up being Mark's boss again. Even Jackie's husband works there.

So all in all, it was all abt Becky. No one else.


And did you catch it when Becky called the bike shop from Minnesota to tell Dan that she and Mark had married, that she had called Dan and Roseanne collect?!

I know that they didn't have cell phones back then and maybe she didn't have any spare change on her, but come on. . . . she knew that her parents were broke. Selfish is the word for her!

I liked the episode seasons later where she was planning the baby shower for Roseanne. I had the feeling that she was trying to make up for her attitude of previous seasons.

Wow, lots of violent households, knocking out teeth, cracked in the mouth, yikes. Becky had a big mouth, and I never could stand her, but no way would I ever condone wacking a kid in the mouth, or anyone in the mouth for that matter. :crazy: Mark and Becky were young and selfish, as most kids that age are. This talk of hitting Becky sounds just nuts to me. Are we talking hitting to point of bloodshed, and teeth falling onto the kitchen floor. What's next? False teeth, or put the knocked out teeth under the pillow for the tooth fairy, lol? I'm missing something here.

I actually thought both Darlene and Becky were disrespectful to their parents, but then again, their parents weren't angels either, in the big mouth department. Children learn what they live. We didn't speak that way in the household I grew up in, and we weren't spoken to that way. It wasn't Father Knows Best, but it wasn't Roseanne either. If one of us kids was mouthy that day or did something else wrong, we were punished, in a non-violent manner. Never in a million years, would we ever speak to our parents the way Becky did. We had too much respect for them.

Wow, lots of violent households, knocking out teeth, cracked in the mouth, yikes. Becky had a big mouth, and I never could stand her, but no way would I ever condone wacking a kid in the mouth, or anyone in the mouth for that matter. :crazy: Mark and Becky were young and selfish, as most kids that age are. This talk of hitting Becky sounds just nuts to me. Are we talking hitting to point of bloodshed, and teeth falling onto the kitchen floor. What's next? False teeth, or put the knocked out teeth under the pillow for the tooth fairy, lol? I'm missing something here.

I actually thought both Darlene and Becky were disrespectful to their parents, but then again, their parents weren't angels either, in the big mouth department. Children learn what they live. We didn't speak that way in the household I grew up in, and we weren't spoken to that way. It wasn't Father Knows Best, but it wasn't Roseanne either. If one of us kids was mouthy that day or did something else wrong, we were punished, in a non-violent manner. Never in a million years, would we ever speak to our parents the way Becky did. We had too much respect for them.


I was talking about Roseanne just SLAPPING her in the face when she said that horrible thing to her dad. Kind of like how Weezy slapped lionel on the Jeffersons.


But not knocking her teeth out-lol

Fair enough, but I've forgotten excactly what she said. I know the audience went "ooooooh", like it was terrible. And now, we have this thread here. But what excactly did she say, and was it really that bad? I remember thinking it wasn't so bad, that the audience would go "oooooooh" that way. But what were her excact words?

I was talking about Roseanne just SLAPPING her in the face when she said that horrible thing to her dad. Kind of like how Weezy slapped lionel on the Jeffersons.


But not knocking her teeth out-lol
Different types of households I guess. We didn't slap each other in my house, and we most certainly didn't knock each other's teeth out.

Fair enough, but I've forgotten excactly what she said. I know the audience went "ooooooh", like it was terrible. And now, we have this thread here. But what excactly did she say, and was it really that bad? I remember thinking it wasn't so bad, that the audience would go "oooooooh" that way. But what were her excact words?
I can give you a synopsis of what she said.

Becky became upset at the idea of Mark having to leave the state for a job. She then turned on her father by saying something along the lines of, "YOU BLEW IT DAD! YOU BLEW IT FOR THIS WHOLE FAMILY!" Roseanne then told Becky to shut up. Becky told Roseanne words to the effect of, "You know it is the truth. I am the only one with the guts to say it."

Sorry it is not the exact words. Becky was angry at Dan because the bike shop failed and because of no work for Mark, Mark was forced to look elsewhere for a job. He was offered a great job that paid nearly twice as much but it required him to move to the neighboring state. Becky already had stated her worry that Mark was going to leave her once he found someone else in that state.

Thank you, Irene! Now I remember.

I would have said the exact same to my father had he done what Dan did.

He took a risk and lost. With this risk he took his family and employees along for the ride. The ride ended in a crash, and Dan was the driver.

I understand Becky too. Roseanne and Dan had blown away her college found money on a store, that turned out to be a failure. However, I still think she could have gone for a cheaper college instead, or tried to get a loan or a scholarship. It was such a shame that such a smart girl, who was getting A:s, didn't even graduate High School. But hey, she was in love with Mark at the time...

I understand Becky too. Roseanne and Dan had blown away her college found money on a store, that turned out to be a failure. However, I still think she could have gone for a cheaper college instead, or tried to get a loan or a scholarship. It was such a shame that such a smart girl, who was getting A:s, didn't even graduate High School. But hey, she was in love with Mark at the time...
Exactly. There are thousands of kids in worse situations than Becky's and find many ways to get into college. It may mean going to junior college first, but hey, you do what you got to do. Besides, if you really watch the episode prior, this episode and then the next episode, you will see that all Becky cared abt was MARK. You really have to see those three episodes, since they are all tied in. Once Becky left and got married, she was happy as a clam, screw college...she married Mark.

I would have said the exact same to my father had he done what Dan did.

He took a risk and lost. With this risk he took his family and employees along for the ride. The ride ended in a crash, and Dan was the driver.


And If I was Dan she would have been Slapped. It wasn't her PLACE to say something like that to her dad

Bottom line, if you live in your parents home, you honor and respect your parents. I agree, Becky had no business yelling at her dad like that, but Dan would never slap her. That was his daughter, not some stranger. Some households don't believe in slapping or hitting. I was never hit growing up. There are other forms of punishment.

Becky should have just run off and married Mark without screaming and hurting her dad the way she did. What did she gain by that? I have to keep telling myself, she was a teen, what else do you expect? :rolleyes: She wanted Mark and she got him.

And If I was Dan she would have been Slapped. It wasn't her PLACE to say something like that to her dad
That's too bad. Sometimes parents mess up, and they deserve to be told when they do.

Dan and Roseanne told their parents, many times, that they messed up. Why can't Becky do the same?

BTW, slapping your kids is a very barbaric way to handle things. Roseanne would agree.

That's too bad. Sometimes parents mess up, and they deserve to be told when they do.

Dan and Roseanne told their parents, many times, that they messed up. Why can't Becky do the same?

BTW, slapping your kids is a very barbaric way to handle things. Roseanne would agree.


Because Becky was a TEENAGER and could not do the same thing. And as far as Slapping, I mean a slap to REMIND the child who is the ADULT, not a slap that will PUT the child in the hospital

That's too bad. Sometimes parents mess up, and they deserve to be told when they do.

Dan and Roseanne told their parents, many times, that they messed up. Why can't Becky do the same?

BTW, slapping your kids is a very barbaric way to handle things. Roseanne would agree.
I don't even agree with Roseanne and Dan having told their parents abt how they messed up. I felt bad for Roseanne's mom and what she had to deal with and then being told by Roseanne and Jackie how bad she was? Terrible. If they were in counseling together, then let it all out. But to say it when they had their parents in their home, what was the point? And to top it off, those two later found out what their mother endured while married to their father. She endured so much and did the best she could. She never hurt her girls.

I don't even agree with Roseanne and Dan having told their parents abt how they messed up. I felt bad for Roseanne's mom and what she had to deal with and then being told by Roseanne and Jackie how bad she was? Terrible. If they were in counseling together, then let it all out. But to say it when they had their parents in their home, what was the point? And to top it off, those two later found out what their mother endured while married to their father. She endured so much and did the best she could. She never hurt her girls.
IMO, allowing abuse to occur, when you know its wrong, is worse than actually committing the abuse in the first place. I mean, standing by while your kids are abused is just as bad. :/

Being a parent does not mean you deserve automatic respect. We are all people and make mistakes, and we all have to earn respect. If your parent messes up, it is your job to tell them. And what do you get out of telling them? A sense of closure, relief and the ability to move on.

IMO, allowing abuse to occur, when you know its wrong, is worse than actually committing the abuse in the first place. I mean, standing by while your kids are abused is just as bad. :/
Right, but what abuse was Bev enduring while they were a "family"? We later learn Bev is an alcoholic. Roseanne and Jackie found out their father had been cheating on their mother with another woman for YEARS while married to their mother. We can only surmise he must have been at least mentally abusing Bev for her to eventually have turned to alcohol and becoming an addict. I am not saying Bev ignored her children being whipped by a belt, but I am sure if he was hurting their girls, he may have been hurting Bev as well. She obviously was dealing with a lot on her plate and had nowhere to turn. She probaby felt helpless.

Right, but what abuse was Bev enduring while they were a "family"? We later learn Bev is an alcoholic. Roseanne and Jackie found out their father had been cheating on their mother with another woman for YEARS while married to their mother. We can only surmise he must have been at least mentally abusing Bev for her to eventually have turned to alcohol and becoming an addict. I am not saying Bev ignored her children being whipped by a belt, but I am sure if he was hurting their girls, he may have been hurting Bev as well. She obviously was dealing with a lot on her plate and had nowhere to turn. She probaby felt helpless.
As a mother it is your responsibility and obligation to get your children out of any abusive situation. Bev was an adult, hence she could have left, but decided to take the path of least resistance, and selfishly allowed her husband to continue abusing her children. She was probably afraid to live on her own and didn't want to cause a "problem". But that’s no excuse. You have an obligation to your children’s wellbeing and can’t sit ideally by while they are being abused because it’s outside your comfort zone.

Would Roseanne have let her kids be abused by some man? NO. She would have taken her children out of that environment and made it on her own. That’s what Bev should have done and she didn’t. For that she deserves some crap from her children.

As a mother it is your responsibility and obligation to get your children out of any abusive situation. Bev was an adult, hence she could have left, but decided to take the path of least resistance, and selfishly allowed her husband to continue abusing her children. She was probably afraid to live on her own and didn't want to cause a "problem". But that’s no excuse. You have an obligation to your children’s wellbeing and can’t sit ideally by while they are being abused because it’s outside your comfort zone.

Would Roseanne have let her kids be abused by some man? NO. She would have taken her children out of that environment and made it on her own. That’s what Bev should have done and she didn’t. For that she deserves some crap from her children.
Bev and Roseanne were two totally different beings. Roseanne did the opposite of what she learned. As for Jackie, she learned it is ok to be with someone who is abusive. Remember when her boyfriend beat her up? And Jackie was a COP!

It is easy to judge what Bev should have done. I am merely saying, we don't know what else was going on in that house while the girls were growing up. Maybe their father abused Bev too and never told the girls. Maybe he threatened harm to Bev if she left. I can't imagine Bev standing around and allowing her kids to be harmed while she stood and watched. I am sure she may have tried to intervene.

Bev and Roseanne were two totally different beings. Roseanne did the opposite of what she learned. As for Jackie, she learned it is ok to be with someone who is abusive. Remember when her boyfriend beat her up? And Jackie was a COP!

It is easy to judge what Bev should have done. I am merely saying, we don't know what else was going on in that house while the girls were growing up. Maybe their father abused Bev too and never told the girls. Maybe he threatened harm to Bev if she left. I can't imagine Bev standing around and allowing her kids to be harmed while she stood and watched. I am sure she may have tried to intervene.
Jackie said in an episode that her mother stood by doing dishes in the kitchen while it happened. She knew it was going on, and let it occur.

All I'm saying is that parents don't get let off the hook just because they are parents. Kids have a right to tell their parents when they messed up, and in both situations parents messed up.

Dan messed up, Becky told him. Bev messed up, Roseanne and Jackie told her. Telling your parents they messed up is a form of therapy and a way to move on from the hurt and sorrow. It also allows your parents to become better people. It's mutually beneficial for everyone involved.

I have yet to learn all about their parents and their childhood. But back in the day, people didn't divorce as much as they do now. They were together for better or worse, until death did them apart. A divorce was a big scandal. I think people put more effort into working things out back then, so they didn't divorce after just one arguement, as it seems like so many people do now. And many people also just stayed together calmly, even though the warm feelings were gone, which hardly ever happens nowadays. However, this also made it almost impossible for a woman to leave her husband, even if he abused her. Many women in Roseanne's mother's generation have been married to abusive men for decades! Heck, even many women in Roseanne's own generation have been married to abusive men for decades! Because back in the day, it wasn't too easy to leave your marriage. For if a woman left her husband, she was almost considered a slut. And a man was considered a bad person too, if he left his wife. And people hardly talked about domestic violence, because that was just something, that was supposed to stay within the family. So many abused women didn't even see any point in telling anybody about what was going on, because you were supposed to suffer in silence. Having said all this, I totally understand how Roseanne's mother could stay in an abusive marriage, even though I have yet to see any episodes about her. That was just the way it was back in the day.

PS: Isn't it great how "Roseanne" can cause debate even among "Roseanne" fans!!!??!?!? :)

Dan messed up, Becky told him. Bev messed up, Roseanne and Jackie told her. Telling your parents they messed up is a form of therapy and a way to move on from the hurt and sorrow. It also allows your parents to become better people. It's mutually beneficial for everyone involved.
There is a way to let people, especially family members, know what bothers you, what is hurting you, what makes you angry without being cruel and mean abt it. Becky's way of telling her dad how she felt was disturbing and hurtful. And for the last time (I hope :lol:) Becky was only worrying abt...BECKY. No one else. As soon as she married Mark (and ensured he was not going to leave her for another) she was HAPPY. She didn't care her parents were still in a bind, she didn't care abt her siblings and what would happen to them. She didn't care one damn bit. She got Mark and that is all that mattered to her. She was 17, what do you expect? Her world was Mark. Mark would NEVER do for Becky what she did for him. She was selfish and only worried abt Mark finding a job. Well, he had a job, but it was in another state. Oh my, what will Becky do? Go yell at her dad of course. Why? Mark has a job, that is more than what her family had going at the time.

I have yet to learn all about their parents and their childhood. But back in the day, people didn't divorce as much as they do now. They were together for better or worse, until death did them apart. A divorce was a big scandal. I think people put more effort into working things out back then, so they didn't divorce after just one arguement, as it seems like many people do now. Many people also lived together calmly, even though the warm feelings were gone. However, this also made it almost impossible for a woman to leave her husband, even if he abused her. Many women in Roseanne's mother's generation have been married to abusive men for decades! Heck, even many women in Roseanne's own generation have been married to abusive men for decades! Because back in the day, it wasn't too easy to leave your marriage. If a woman left her husband, she was almost considered a slut. And a man was considered a bad person too, if he left his wife. And people hardly talked about domestic violence, because that was just something, that was supposed to stay within the family. So few abused women even had the guts top tell anybody about what was going on. Having said all this, I understand how Roseanne's mother could stayed in an abusive marriage, even though I have yet to see any episodes about her.
I understand how and why she would have stayed too. But that doesn't let her off the hook completely. Sometimes you have to put your children above your comfort zone and how you were raised to behave. And everyone, in any generation, should know that.

There is a way to let people, especially family members, know what bothers you, what is hurting you, what makes you angry without being cruel and mean abt it. Becky's way of telling her dad how she felt was disturbing and hurtful. And for the last time (I hope :lol:) Becky was only worrying abt...BECKY. No one else. As soon as she married Mark (and ensured he was not going to leave her for another) she was HAPPY. She didn't care her parents were still in a bind, she didn't care abt her siblings and what would happen to them. She didn't care one damn bit. She got Mark and that is all that mattered to her. She was 17, what do you expect? Her world was Mark. Mark would NEVER do for Becky what she did for him. She was selfish and only worried abt Mark finding a job. Well, he had a job, but it was in another state. Oh my, what will Becky do? Go yell at her dad of course. Why? Mark has a job, that is more than what her family had going at the time.
Well, when you are in the heat of the moment, it is understandable that you would scream and shout. I'm not saying Becky wasn't selfish, but Dan was selfish to follow his dreams by opening a bike shop he didn't know how to run successfully.

I understand how and why she would have stayed too. But that doesn't let her off the hook completely. Sometimes you have to put your children above your comfort zone and how you were raised to behave. And everyone, in any generation, should know that.
Easy to say. Not always easy to do. Furienna is right. What one era or generation did, the next one may not. I don't mean to generalize all people in one generation, merely saying that domestic abuse was and remains a stigma. Child abuse back then wasn't looked upon as child abuse. It was looked upon as "punishment."

My father opened up a business in the 40's with only a 9th grade education. He later established two more businesses. Sometimes you have to take a risk to try and live your dreams.

Well, when you are in the heat of the moment, it is understandable that you would scream and shout. I'm not saying Becky wasn't selfish, but Dan was selfish to follow his dreams by opening a bike shop he didn't know how to run successfully.


Even if he did mess up he didn't want to hear it from BECKY, he knew he messed up but he wasn't supposed to be disrespected

There is a way to let people, especially family members, know what bothers you, what is hurting you, what makes you angry without being cruel and mean abt it. Becky's way of telling her dad how she felt was disturbing and hurtful. And for the last time (I hope :lol:) Becky was only worrying abt...BECKY. No one else. As soon as she married Mark (and ensured he was not going to leave her for another) she was HAPPY. She didn't care her parents were still in a bind, she didn't care abt her siblings and what would happen to them. She didn't care one damn bit. She got Mark and that is all that mattered to her. She was 17, what do you expect? Her world was Mark. Mark would NEVER do for Becky what she did for him. She was selfish and only worried abt Mark finding a job. Well, he had a job, but it was in another state. Oh my, what will Becky do? Go yell at her dad of course. Why? Mark has a job, that is more than what her family had going at the time.
Nevertheless, I partly understand Becky. Roseanne and Dan HAD screwed up! They had used up all their savings. She could have made better choices though, like just going to a local cheaper college. But as you said, Mark was more important to her than anything. If it hadn't been that way, Becky could have at least had stayed with her parents the year out and graduate High School.

Easy to say. Not always easy to do. Furienna is right. What one era or generation did, the next one may not. I don't mean to generalize all people in one generation, merely saying that domestic abuse was and remains a stigma. Child abuse back then wasn't looked upon as child abuse. It was looked upon as "punishment."
I don't care what generation you are from. If your kids are clearly being abused, it is your job to get them out of that situation. It may be hard, but when you make the decision to become a mother, you better step up to the plate.

Sometimes you have to take a risk to try and live your dreams.
And if your risk doesn't pay off, you better be ready for the consequences.

One of which may be that your children are pissed as hell that you messed up.

Dan just suffered what a lot of business owners suffer, lack of customers. Dan didn't go blaming anyone for his downfall. He didn't take it out on anyone. He knew, like Solomon said, he messed up. He was successful in the beginning but not every business makes it. Dan was given $20 grand by Ziggy to open up the shop and he borrowed the rest from the bank. He took a chance like any other person who opens up a business. He wanted to make things better for his family. He wanted to be the boss. He wanted to give his kids the best things. He even gave Becky the money for a car and insurance. He didn't expect to suffer in his business. If he did, would he have bothered? Parents are not perfect, but it is not for kids (teens) to scream at them and tell them so.

And if your risk doesn't pay off, you better be ready for the consequences.

One of which may be that your children are pissed as hell that you messed up.



Still don't understand the definition of Disrepect do you?

Parents are not perfect, but it is not for kids (teens) to scream at them and tell them so.
Why not? It is a parents job to help their children succeed and become more successful than them. If, as a result of the parents own actions, it become harder for that child to succeed, the child has every right to say something.

I don't care what generation you are from. If your kids are clearly being abused, it is your job to get them out of that situation. It may be hard, but when you make the decision to become a mother, you better step up to the plate.
True to your last statement, but no one is making excuses, merely stating reality. There was a time (unfortunately) when hitting kids was the norm and being "whupped" was expected. I was never spanked growing up. My boyfriend was. Not everyone had it the same.

And again, there is a way to speak to your family members without screaming and yelling at them. If Becky felt the need to speak her mind, then she should have taken Dan aside and say it, not scream at him because WHOA IS ME, MARK IS LEAVING. :lol:

Easy to say. Not always easy to do. Furienna is right. What one era or generation did, the next one may not. I don't mean to generalize all people in one generation, merely saying that domestic abuse was and remains a stigma. Child abuse back then wasn't looked upon as child abuse. It was looked upon as "punishment."
Excactly! When our grandparents were children, or even when our parents were children, it was a totally different era. I'm sure many women actually wanted to leave, but they couldn't, because they had nowhere to go. And they hardly had any way to support themselves either, because a mother wasn't supposed to work outside her home, and especially abused women, who of course were more controlled by their husbands than other women, had no income or money of their own. And how could a woman explain why she had left her husband and become considered as a slut? You didn't talk about domestic violence. You suffered in silence.

My father opened up a business in the 40's with only a 9th grade education. He later established two more businesses. Sometimes you have to take a risk to try and live your dreams.
But with three kids to support, it still was a rather foolish thing to do. Of course, Roseanne and Dan hoped they could make the store successful. But unfortuneately, it didn't turn out that well, and they could just as well have thrown all their savings down a sewer.

I don't care what generation you are from. If your kids are clearly being abused, it is your job to get them out of that situation. It may be hard, but when you make the decision to become a mother, you better step up to the plate.
I understand what you're saying, I really do, but I'm affraid your grandmothers, or even your mother, would have had a hard time following that advice, if they had been in such a situation.

And if your risk doesn't pay off, you better be ready for the consequences.

One of which may be that your children are pissed as hell that you messed up.
That's true! :D

True to your last statement, but no one is making excuses, merely stating reality. There was a time (unfortunately) when hitting kids was the norm and being "whupped" was expected. I was never spanked growing up. My boyfriend was. Not everyone had it the same.

And again, there is a way to speak to your family members without screaming and yelling at them. If Becky felt the need to speak her mind, then she should have taken Dan aside and say it, not scream at him because WHOA IS ME, MARK IS LEAVING. :lol:
It was the norm back then. I knew a lot of kids who had the belt used on them. My Dad even threatened me with a belt a few times. lol He never used it but the threat of it made me shut up. :lol: Heck we were paddled in school and nobody thought anything of it. They didn't have to have parent's permission to hit you. My 6th grade teacher kept his paddle hanging on the wall just to intimidate us.

Excactly! When our grandparents were children, or even when our parents were children, it was a totally different era. I'm sure many women actually wanted to leave, but they couldn't, because they had nowhere to go. And they hardly had any way to support themselves either, because a mother wasn't supposed to work outside her home, and especially abused women, who of course were more controlled by their husbands than other women, had no income or money of their own. And how could a woman explain why she had left her husband and become considered as a slut? You didn't talk about domestic violence. You suffered in silence.
Bingo! Back then you didn't have 911. You didn't have shelters to run to for help. Hell, family members would sometimes turn on you for "leaving your husband" or tell you, "For better or for worse...that is why you married him." Women have so many choices when trying to leave an abusive relationship. It took a long time for me to leave my husband and I still had to deal with his death threats. Restraining orders? Ha. Those didn't exist back in my grandmother's day. Women mostly stayed home, they didn't have an education or work skills. What would she do if she left her husband and had family shun her for leaving him? The stigma? The poor children being without their father? All those things had to be considered. Sorry to say, but that was the era my grandmother and mother lived in. Again, easy to say, not so easy to do.

It was the norm back then. I knew a lot of kids who had the belt used on them. My Dad even threatened me with a belt a few times. lol He never used it but the threat of it made me shut up. :lol: Heck we were paddled in school and nobody thought anything of it. They didn't have to have parent's permission to hit you. My 6th grade teacher kept his paddle hanging on the wall just to intimidate us.
Ah thanks for reminding me of that Sonny. My father was hit in school by his teacher for of all things USING HIS LEFT HAND TO WRITE WITH!!!!! The teacher than strapped his hand down so he wouldn't use it again. He was to USE HIS RIGHT HAND TO WRITE WITH. You think my grandparents had a say so in that matter? :lol: That was how things were. Sad but true.


My boyfriend was hit many times with the belt by his father because his father was hit with a belt for any time he "needed it."

When Roseanne and Jackie grew up, it spanned over the late ‘50s and through the ‘60s. If I recall correctly, the ‘60s were a time when feminism was prevalent and big strides were made to protect women. They were allowed to divorce for “irreconcilable differences” and shelters and programs were being created.

The fact that Bev stayed with her husband when these strides were being made, and even through the ‘90s, suggests she wouldn’t have done anything had she had all this help. That’s a staggering personality flaw, and one she should be looked down for.

At any point when these strides were being made, she could have said, “What you did was wrong, and I refuse to stay with you any longer, enough is enough” and left with this newfound help. But she didn’t. She continued to stay, even after all this progress for women occurred (even through the '90s!).

So my question is, why did she stay, even after these strides were made? Why didn't she, at any point, leave her husband for what he had done?

There is a simple answer: Because she didn't see anything wrong with what was going on, and allowed it to happen. Which means, IMO, she would have failed her children in any generation.

Bev obviously couldn't handle what was going on in her marriage, which is why she turned into an alcoholic. She didn't leave, but she turned to the bottle. Unfortunately Bev grew up believing she should stay married to her man, for better or for worse. Her girls may have been born in the 50's, but Bev grew up in the 30's-40's, an era where you didn't talk abt domestic violence or child abuse. It just happened and you didn't talk abt it. We live in 2008 and we still have women (and men) in abusive relationships and don't leave. So what is your response to that? There are many resources, but still, violence in relationships is a huge problem. Do you honestly think people love to be in relationships where there is domestic violence and/or child abuse?

Bev obviously couldn't handle what was going on in her marriage, which is why she turned into an alcoholic.
Aren't you born an alcoholic? One sip, for a special occasion, can trigger your alcohlic gene!

She didn't leave, but she turned to the bottle. Unfortunately Bev grew up believing she should stay married to her man, for better or for worse.
What a bunch of bull. She divorced him for cheating on her for many years, but wouldn't divorce him for abusing her children for many years? GIVE ME A BREAK! Abusing children is way worse, and clearly Bev didn't have a problem with the abuse, otherwise she would have filed for divorce long before she did. So, in my opinion, that's WRONG on her part.

Bev didn't mind getting a divorce and wasn’t opposed to divorce, because she got one! So, your theory that she was against divorce and was fearful of making it on her own is thrown out the window.

I think all those progresses, which happened in the 60s, were still considered radical and inmoral while Roseanne and Jackie were still growing up. If their mother grew up in the 20s, 30s and 40s, she was raised to not leave her husband, no matter what happened. And people around here were raised to think that way too. It probably took a while before shelters and all that became main-stream. And after the girls were grown-up, I guess she didn't see what the point was of leaving her husband then, when their daughters were out of that bad environment. She was now the only one, who had to suffer, and she had learned how to take it over the years, even if it meant turning over to the bottle. If she finally divorced him, it was probably because it was the 90s, and the old stigmas had finally started to disappear.

Aren't you born an alcoholic? One sip, for a special occasion, can trigger your alcohlic gene!


What a bunch of bull. She divorced him for cheating on her for many years, but wouldn't divorce him for abusing her children for many years? GIVE ME A BREAK! Abusing children is way worse, and clearly Bev didn't have a problem with the abuse, otherwise she would have filed for divorce long before she did. So, IMO, that's WRONG on her part.

Clearly, Bev didn't mind getting a divorce and wasn’t opposed to divorce, because she got one! So, your theory that she was against divorce and was fearful of making it on her own is thrown out of the window.
I am not sure what to make of your first comment. Sarcasm perhaps?

I never said Bev was against divorce, I said in her era, that was the norm.

Bev knew her husband was cheating on her all those years, that is one reason she turned into an alcoholic, but she stayed with him. Remember how Roseanne even got mad at Bev for staying with him even though he was cheating on her all those years? Bev endured and tolerated. For what reason? Who knows. Fear? Did he threaten her perhaps? Did he scream at her and tell her what a horrible mother she was and he would take the kids away from her? Things like this occur everyday. It happens. Bev probably found some self-esteem and the strength to do it. Why is it so hard for you to understand that it IS NOT EASY for some people to leave a relationship where abuse occurs? Do you not think they have fear of repercussions of some sort?

If their mother grew up in the 20s, 30s and 40s, she was raised to not leave her husband, no matter what happened.
Really? Well she divorced him for cheating on her, but not for abusing her children. Sounds pretty weird for someone who was raised thinking you can NEVER leave your husband -- I suppose "everything" includes cheating, right?

I guess she wasn't raised exactly how you thought she was, otherwise she wouldn't have divorced him.

Really? Well she divorced him for cheating on her, but not for abusing her children. Sounds pretty weird for someone who was raised thinking you can NEVER leave your husband -- I suppose "everything" includes cheating, right?

I guess she wasn't raised exactly how you thought she was, otherwise she wouldn't have divorced him.
Bev left him because she finally found the strength to do so. She didn't have that before.

I never said Bev was against divorce, I said in her era, that was the norm.
You heavily implied that because Bev was from that generation, she thought divorce was wrong too.

Bev knew her husband was cheating on her all those years, that is one reason she turned into an alcoholic, but she stayed with him. Remember how Roseanne even got mad at Bev for staying with him even though he was cheating on her all those years? Bev endured and tolerated. For what reason? Who knows. Fear? Did he threaten her perhaps? Did he scream at her and tell her what a horrible mother she was and he would take the kids away from her? Things like this occur everyday. It happens. Bev probably found some self-esteem and the strength to do it.
Good for her! It's still wrong that she only got the courage for that one reason, cheating. And not for other reasons, such as child abuse.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that it IS NOT EASY for some people to leave a relationship where abuse occurs? Do you not think they have fear of repercussions of some sort?
But it's easier to leave because of cheating? Seems as if people have their priorities mixed up.

I think it has to do with the fact, that times had changed over those decades. She probably was unhappy in her marriage even when Roseanne and Jackie were little, but she didn't have the guts to leave their father back then. But the years went by, and divorces became more and more acceptable, and she got more and more courage to take that step.

I think it has to do with the fact, that times had changed over those decades. She probably was unhappy in her marriage even when Roseanne and Jackie were little, but she didn't have the guts to leave their father back then. But years went by, and divorce became more acceptable.
Right. So if Bev thought what her husband did was wrong with regards to the abuse, why didn't she divorce him after years had gone by, and divorce became more acceptable? The answer: because she didn't think the abuse was wrong! So, IMO, Bev deserves some crap for that.

She only got the courage for his cheating, but not from the abuse? :rolleyes:

You keep saying cheating, as if that is why Bev left. Her husband had been cheating on her for YEARS. She knew this. She finally found the strength to leave him regardless. Too bad it wasn't when the girls were young, but still, she left him.

Bev probably had the desire to leave but BECAUSE of the era she grew up in, divorce was frowned upon. I am sure that played a part in why she didn't leave her man. I am sure fear was another reason. I am sure he threatened her too. If someone is threatening, it can scare the hell out of you especially if you see them hurting your kids. Bev probably was told, "I will take the kids away from you." Imagine the horror of the man who hits your kids with a belt having custody of them too? She would not be around. At least by being married to him, she is there in the same home. Sounds crazy but it happens. Abuse comes in all forms, not just physical. I am sure Bev's mental state was horrible.

Priorities You keep saying cheating, as if that is why Bev left. Her husband had been cheating on her for YEARS. She knew this. She finally found the strength to leave him regardless. Too bad it wasn't when the girls were young, but still, she left him.
And he abused the girls for years. What's your point?

And yes, it is too bad she didn't divorce him when the girls were young. Maybe she had a reason for it. Who knows. But why couldn't she leave him for the abuse, when it became easier to get a divorce and easier for a woman to make it on her own? Better late than never!

Why did she do it for the years of cheating, but not for the years of abuse her children endured?

Bev probably had the desire to leave but BECAUSE of the era she grew up in, divorce was frowned upon. I am sure that played a part in why she didn't leave her man. I am sure fear was another reason. I am sure he threatened her too. If someone is threatening, it can scare the hell out of you especially if you see them hurting your kids. Bev probably was told, "I will take the kids away from you." Imagine the horror of the man who hits your kids with a belt having custody of them too? She would not be around. At least by being married to him, she is there in the same home. Sounds crazy but it happens. Abuse comes in all forms, not just physical. I am sure Bev's mental state was horrible.
I'm not saying she had to divorce him for the abuse while the kids were being abused. But why couldn't she have divorced him for the abuse AFTER the kids were out of the house? What he did was wrong, regardless of how much time had passed. Why would you stay with a man you knew abused your children? The answer is, you wouldn't, if you actually thought what he did was abuse.

The problem is that she didn't view it as abuse, and that's wrong. Period. And that is why she ended up finally divorcing him for cheating, and not for the abuse, even though BOTH had occurred for years and years and BOTH were wrong.

I guess you missed the part where a few of us stated how people from the previous generations didn't view whipping your kids with a belt as child abuse. We know now it is abuse, but how can we fault someone for living in an era where it was NOT CONSIDERED ABUSE? Sonny and I above mentioned how kids were hit in schools by their teachers but no one said nothing abt that. My father was hit for using his left hand to write by a schoolteacher. THAT WAS ACCEPTED. THAT WAS THE NORM. Parents had no say so in the matter. Looking back we know differently. It is easy to sit here in the year 2008 and say how could people be so stupid and/or ignorant? You had to be there. ;)


I gotta go now.

I guess you missed the part where a few of us stated how people from the previous generations didn't view whipping your kids with a belt as child abuse. We know now it is abuse, but how can we fault someone for living in an era where it was NOT CONSIDERED ABUSE? Sonny and I above mentioned how kids were hit in schools by their teachers but no one said nothing abt that. My father was hit for using his left hand to write by a schoolteacher. THAT WAS ACCEPTED. THAT WAS THE NORM. Parents had no say so in the matter. Looking back we know differently. It is easy to sit here in the year 2008 and say how could people be so stupid and/or ignorant? You had to be there. ;)


I gotta go now.
So someone from that generation can't change their perspective as they age? Sure, she thought while the abuse was going on it was OK. But I'm sure looking back, she realized it was wrong. And when she looked back and realized it was wrong, why didn't she then divorce her husband?

I know when I'm 60 I'm not going to have the same perspectives I grew up with.

And for Bev to not realize what she let her husband do was wrong, is her problem, her fault and she deserves crap for it. Times changes, and it is your job to keep up with them.

Someone who thinks racism is OK is NOT let off the hook because they were "raised" to think that way. The same thing applies for child abuse. You must keep up with the times, and if you don't you are ignorant and incorrect in your way of thinking.

Bev did leave her husband. She didn't do it in the time frame you wished she had, but nonetheless, she did it. Better for her to leave him, even if it took 40 some years to do it. I knew a woman who left her husband after 35+ years of abuse and his cheating ways. It took me 16 years to leave my husband. Was I a bad mother/person for staying with a man who abused me in front of my girls and exposed them to the horrors of violence? Should I be condemned for not leaving him sooner? Was I wrong for staying as long as I did out of fear even if it was a bad thing for my girls to witness? I can make a long list of the reasons why a woman stays in a bad marriage that includes abuse of any kind but I think with you it would be pointless. Until you have walked in that person's shoes, it is easy to say, "Why don't you just leave?"

Roseanne and Jackie state having been hit with a belt. I can easily say I had at least 10 friends while growing up who got whipped by their parents. I don't know what to call that. Those friends didn't call it abuse but I know they didn't like being hit either. One of those friends was my best friend. As an adult she doesn't call it abuse, she said, "I had it coming." And that was in the 70's.

Roseanne Barr claims to have been in an abusive marriage with Tom Arnold. She claims physical and mental abuse. I believe her to some extent only because Tom acknowledged some of it due to his cocaine abuse, but there she was, a rich, powerful and supposedly strong woman in a marriage with a man who caused her grief. It took her a while to leave him.

Bev may have been ignorant because of the era she grew up in and what effect those around her may have taught her. Unless you are from that era, you can't say how it was for women in abusive households. Add to that a man who may have played mind games on her or even scared her. I am only trying to answer your question as to why she waited to divorce him after the girls grew into adults. I can't say for sure. I can only surmise she became accustomed to her life, as shabby as it was and she tolerated it. She knew nothing else. She probably was scared of fending for herself. She had low self-esteem. She probably thought, "Hell, I have been with him over 30 years, what's another 10?" Bev seemed alone as she didn't seem to have friends as I recall Jackie making fun of the fact her mom has to give the illusion she has friends. :lol:

Great debate and topic. ;)

It seems like Bev simply wasn't ready to leave him until the 90s. And that sounds realistic enough. It had taken her so many years to finally work up the courage to take that step.

:lol: I just seen the episode THANKSGIVING 1993. Bev and Roseanne had a very in depth talk abt why Bev conceived Roseanne PRIOR to marry her father. Bev's response as to why she wasn't honest to Roseanne and when her parents actually married and Roseanne being conceived out of wedlock was because "IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME AND PLACE...YOU JUST DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS." ;) That just backs up what me and Furienna and others have said as to why Bev was the way she was. The episode also had Bev say she wanted Jackie to marry Fred because she said "that baby should have a father." I guess Bev's ideas and feelings were that a child needs a father around and not have a single mother. It was during this conversation that Bev's own mother divulged the fact that Roseanne was conceived out of wedlock. Roseanne had this in depth talk with Bev and asked her mom nicely, "Do you think because dad had to marry you, that could be why he was mean to US?" There it is, Roseanne's statement substantiated the fact that her father was mean to all three of them, not just Roseanne and Jackie. Roseanne then told her mother she thinks her mom becoming pregnant prior to marriage was a "cool thing." :lol: She also states to her she wishes her mom had been honest with her abt how the whole pregnancy issue and Bev being made to feel she HAD TO GET MARRIED. Bev also stated she didn't want Jackie to be alone when arguing why she wanted Fred to marry Jackie.

Wow!! Irene you suprise me daily by how much Roseanne stuff you know! come to think of it you know alot of stuff from ALOT of other tvshows aswell!
You rock!! :notworthy

Bev did leave her husband. She didn't do it in the time frame you wished she had, but nonetheless, she did it.
That's not my point. My point is that Bev should have divorced for the child abuse, as well, and not solely for the years of cheating.

Roseanne and Jackie state having been hit with a belt. I can easily say I had at least 10 friends while growing up who got whipped by their parents. I don't know what to call that. Those friends didn't call it abuse but I know they didn't like being hit either. One of those friends was my best friend. As an adult she doesn't call it abuse, she said, "I had it coming." And that was in the 70's.
Roseanne and Jackie felt it was abuse, I'll trust their judgement.

Roseanne Barr claims to have been in an abusive marriage with Tom Arnold. She claims physical and mental abuse. I believe her to some extent only because Tom acknowledged some of it due to his cocaine abuse, but there she was, a rich, powerful and supposedly strong woman in a marriage with a man who caused her grief. It took her a while to leave him.
Yep! Better late than never! But Roseanne claims she divorced Tom Arnold for the abuse, unlike Bev. Bev claims she divorced her husband for cheating, not the abuse.

So if Bev refuses to change her opinion with regards to what is and what isn't abuse, then that's a serious problem. If you have two girls, who felt it was abuse, and who dealt with emotional problems after-the-fact, why wouldn't you reevaluate your position on what is and what isn't child abuse?

Bev may have been ignorant because of the era she grew up in and what effect those around her may have taught her.
Ignorance isn't forgiven in my book. Times changes, and with change you need to reevaluate your positions. If you choose to stick your head in the sand and say, "well, it's how I was raised, so it's right!"...then you deserve crap from your children for being stubborn, misguided and stuck in the past.

Thus, I feel Roseanne and Jackie had every right to be mad at their mother. Just as Becky had every right to be mad at Dan.

:lol: I just seen the episode THANKSGIVING 1993. Bev and Roseanne had a very in depth talk abt why Bev conceived Roseanne PRIOR to marry her father. Bev's response as to why she wasn't honest to Roseanne and when her parents actually married and Roseanne being conceived out of wedlock was because "IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME AND PLACE...YOU JUST DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS." ;) That just backs up what me and Furienna and others have said as to why Bev was the way she was. The episode also had Bev say she wanted Jackie to marry Fred because she said "that baby should have a father." I guess Bev's ideas and feelings were that a child needs a father around and not have a single mother. It was during this conversation that Bev's own mother divulged the fact that Roseanne was conceived out of wedlock. Roseanne had this in depth talk with Bev and asked her mom nicely, "Do you think because dad had to marry you, that could be why he was mean to US?" There it is, Roseanne's statement substantiated the fact that her father was mean to all three of them, not just Roseanne and Jackie. Roseanne then told her mother she thinks her mom becoming pregnant prior to marriage was a "cool thing." :lol: She also states to her she wishes her mom had been honest with her abt how the whole pregnancy issue and Bev being made to feel she HAD TO GET MARRIED. Bev also stated she didn't want Jackie to be alone when arguing why she wanted Fred to marry Jackie.
Bev is always portrayed as living in the past and as someone who is misguided. That is one of the running-jokes with her. So, what does that tell you?

It tells you that Bev honestly thinks these misguided thoughts. However, that doesn't get her off the hook. Times change, and she needs to change with the times. If she doesn't change with the times, that's her OWN fault and she deserves CRAP for it. And this is WHY Roseanne and Jackie always give Bev crap for the things she says and the opinions she has.

So, yes, you proved what I've been saying all along too. That Bev refuses to change with the times, and that's no one's fault but her own.

You don't get off the hook because you choose to stick your head in the sand, and thankfully Roseanne and Jackie understood that and continued to give their mother crap for living in the past.

Thus, I feel Roseanne and Jackie had every right to be mad at their mother. Just as Becky had every right to be mad at Dan.


Those are two different situations, Becky had nothing to be upset with Dan over, period. That was his business that he lost, that was his time and hard work gone to pot, that was his way of providing for his family. Becky was just being a bitchy little brat because her boyfriend was moving away and she had to find someone to blame. And she should have been dealt with. You should never disrespect your parents the way Becky did.

Bev, Jackie and Roseanne situation is different. Bev was just very naive in her marriage, I think she felt as if she had to stick it out for her children since her husband was the main provider for the family. Many women currently still stay in a loveless marriage or an abusive marriage because they have children Or because they believe that they cannot survive without their husband.

Bev is always portrayed as living in the past and as someone who is misguided. That is one of the running-jokes with her. So, what does that tell you?

It tells you that Bev honestly thinks these misguided thoughts. However, that doesn't get her off the hook. Times change, and she needs to change with the times. If she doesn't change with the times, that's her OWN fault and she deserves CRAP for it. And this is WHY Roseanne and Jackie always give Bev crap for the things she says and the opinions she has.

So, yes, you proved what I've been saying all along too. That Bev refuses to change with the times, and that's no one's fault but her own.

You don't get off the hook because you choose to stick your head in the sand, and thankfully Roseanne and Jackie understood that and continued to give their mother crap for living in the past.
I love how you stated that the above post of mine proved your point. :lol: It seems obvious you won't even acknowledge anyone's opinions or points of view on this matter. It is beating a dead horse beyond recognition. :lol: :crazy:

You can't acknowledge that many people were brought up a certain way, they were told and taught things that may not fit how you think they should be behaving, that people see things differently and others for whatever reason, can't ever break that mold. Some people go to their graves never changing for the better or for worst. That's life. Bev in her mind felt like she needed a man in her life, regardless if there was love in the marriage, she felt it was better to have a father in her girls' life as opposed to no father at all.

Roseanne learned from her mother as well since she accepted Dan back in her life after he cheated on her. She didn't leave him. Being cheated on by one's spouse can cause such mental grief and depression, as we saw how it affected Roseanne. So, not all women decide to leave a relationship regardless of the circumstances. Rather than chastise and judge, maybe it is better to try and understand.

I see how you conveniently never acknowledge my questions as to whether I was a bad mother/person for allowing my children to be victims by watching me in a home where violence (both mentally and physically) was inflicted upon me by their father, a woman with a college education and a having been brought up in a normal, middle class family where I never saw any cruelty whatsover by my parents. I lived with that for 16 years. It isn't so easy to just "up and leave." According to my post above, Roseanne acknowledged their father was cruel to ALL OF THEM, not just Roseanne and Jackie.

Ah thanks for reminding me of that Sonny. My father was hit in school by his teacher for of all things USING HIS LEFT HAND TO WRITE WITH!!!!! The teacher than strapped his hand down so he wouldn't use it again. He was to USE HIS RIGHT HAND TO WRITE WITH. You think my grandparents had a say so in that matter? :lol: That was how things were. Sad but true.


My boyfriend was hit many times with the belt by his father because his father was hit with a belt for any time he "needed it."


I turn 29 next month. I came of age in the mid-Eighties through the late Nineties. Gee, I'm the old lady around here, aren't I?

I just wanted to point out that when I was in kindergarten and the first grade around 1985, the teachers insisted that we use our right hands to write with. There was something wrong with using the left hand, but they never said what.

I've heard before that some people thought that using the left hand was for doing the Devil's work. What a superstition! I wonder what Mr. Carlin would say to that if he were still alive! :rolleyes:

I've also heard that some teachers thought that using the left hand would make kids concentrate more with their right hemisphere of the brain, therefore raising the risk of developing learning disabilities.

I'm hoping that it was for the second reason why my class was forced to write with our right hands, but you never know. . . . . .

I turn 29 next month. I came of age in the mid-Eighties through the late Nineties. Gee, I'm the old lady around here, aren't I?

I just wanted to point out that when I was in kindergarten and the first grade around 1985, the teachers insisted that we use our right hands to write with. There was something wrong with using the left hand, but they never said what.

I've heard before that some people thought that using the left hand was for doing the Devil's work. What a superstition! I wonder what Mr. Carlin would say to that if he were still alive! :rolleyes:

I've also heard that some teachers thought that using the left hand would make kids concentrate more with their right hemisphere of the brain, therefore raising the risk of developing learning disabilities.

I'm hoping that it was for the second reason why my class was forced to write with our right hands, but you never know. . . . . .
That is just awful. I was lucky in that regard as none of the teachers I had thought that way. I remember we had left handed and right handed scissors in our classes. Seriously I think some of these teachers shouldn't have been around kids much less tauight them.

And when my mother was in school back in the 50s, her teacher thought she used the wrong eye to look through a microscope! And a lot of people back in the day had to learn how to write with their right hands, even though they were left-handed, just because they're a minority. People can have a cow over the smallest dumbest things. I'm glad no one forced anybody to use the right hand back in the 90s, when I was in elementary school. We even had left-hand scissors too. I was forced to learn how to hold a pencil "properly" though.

I'm not up to reading all the posts here, just skimmed over them. There was always a difference between simple punishment and abuse, even 50 years ago. Everyone knew the difference too. Getting the leather strap wasn't acceptable in all homes, even way back when. There's a difference between a simple spanking and having your head banged up against the wall or getting a fat lip. Many women stayed, and many women left abusive relationships. I know my mother would have left my father if he hit us kids. She would have left if it was 1968, 1980 or 1920. My mother would have been one of the ones who left.

It leaves terrible scars. My father would be in his 80s now. He was one of eight kids. No abuse at all. My mother also came from family of eight. Her mother was an alcoholic who abused her kids. What a difference in the way the kids turned out. My mother broke the cycle with her kids, but not her all siblings did. My father's family, his nieces and nephews, all turned out to be doctors and highly successful people. The abuse that was given out at the hands of my grandmother is still talked about today. Hearts and souls were broken. I had a major problem with my grandmother, and she quit drinking when I was a kid, and all the madness was in the past. My mother, who was a devoted adult daughter to her mother, used to ask me, "If I can forgive her, why can't you?" She abused my mother. I saw the actual scars on her scalp and backside. I told my mother that I'm civil to my grandmother, and that's the best I can do. That kind of abuse was not the norm. A spanking yes, violent abuse, no.

I'm just glad that the laws have changed with the times, as it's gotten stricter. There's plenty of child and spousal abuse still going on today. Fortunately, the abusers pay a hefty price if caught. Still, there's was a difference then, and there's a difference now. Violent abuse is never ever acceptable, and it never was either. It wasn't legal either. Plenty of kids grew up in foster homes.

You can't acknowledge that many people were brought up a certain way, they were told and taught things that may not fit how you think they should be behaving, that people see things differently and others for whatever reason, can't ever break that mold. Some people go to their graves never changing for the better or for worst. That's life. Bev in her mind felt like she needed a man in her life, regardless if there was love in the marriage, she felt it was better to have a father in her girls' life as opposed to no father at all.
If you are raised to believe racism is OK, does that mean you get off the hook for believing in it?

Hopefully you'll answer NO, and can apply the same logic to Bev's situation.

Because how someone was raised is by no means a defense for their unwillingness to educate themselves, as adults, and move forward with the times by reevaluating their past positions (ie: whipping children with a belt is OK.)

And if they continue to believe that what they learned in the past is correct, even in light of facts showing it's wrong, as Bev does, they’re stubborn, ignorant and arrogant. Three things I don’t find defensible.

I see how you conveniently never acknowledge my questions as to whether I was a bad mother/person for allowing my children to be victims by watching me in a home where violence (both mentally and physically) was inflicted upon me by their father, a woman with a college education and a having been brought up in a normal, middle class family where I never saw any cruelty whatsover by my parents.
I'm not going to judge your situation because I'm at a clear disadvantage with regards to the details with what happened.

What we’re debating is the actions the characters in "Roseanne" took -- a show we both have equal knowledge about. I'd suggest we stick to that, and generalities, and not dive into personal situations, that could turn, well, personal.

It seems obvious you won't even acknowledge anyone's opinions or points of view on this matter. It is beating a dead horse beyond recognition. :lol: :crazy:
1. Have you acknowledged anyone’s opinions? The door swings both ways.
2. If it's beating a dead horse, why do you keep discussing it? (do you have to get the last word?)

She would have left if it was 1968, 1980 or 1920. My mother would have been one of the ones who left.
As all mothers should be!

I'm just glad that the laws have changed with the times, as it's gotten stricter.
Yes, changing with the times is always good. And if you don't, no matter what the reason, it's no defense. Even if you were "raised" that way.

If I was raised to think racism was OK, and I still, in my adult life, thought racism was justified, I would be misguided and wrong. And I should take personal responsibility for it, because I'm an adult, and how I was "raised" is no defense for not educating myself as an adult and keeping up with the times.

I only wish Bev had educated herself and reevaluated her past positions.

People need to learn some PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

Watch some Judge Judy, people!

what Becky says in the episode is kinda rude...and hurtfull to Dan as well as it is hurtfull to Roseanne...but there is some truth to it.

What she said was not nice, but understandable under the given situation...but if Roseanne or Dan would have slapped her once, would have been understandable, too...because sometimes You just get so hurt, that You lose control for a second...and a slap ain´t a beating....I am against it....but a slap on the hand, or the butt ain´t violence

well some people don't feel like battery is the answer to disipline. There was an entire episode where Roseanne felt guilty for hitting DJ because she constantly got abused as a kid by her father.

Roseanne learned from her mother as well since she accepted Dan back in her life after he cheated on her. She didn't leave him. Being cheated on by one's spouse can cause such mental grief and depression, as we saw how it affected Roseanne. So, not all women decide to leave a relationship regardless of the circumstances. Rather than chastise and judge, maybe it is better to try and understand.

I see how you conveniently never acknowledge my questions as to whether I was a bad mother/person for allowing my children to be victims by watching me in a home where violence (both mentally and physically) was inflicted upon me by their father, a woman with a college education and a having been brought up in a normal, middle class family where I never saw any cruelty whatsover by my parents. I lived with that for 16 years. It isn't so easy to just "up and leave." According to my post above, Roseanne acknowledged their father was cruel to ALL OF THEM, not just Roseanne and Jackie.
Wow... When did Dan cheat on Roseanne? :eek:

It happened during the last season of the show. He had an emotional affair with a nurse out in California.

Okay. Thanks.

well...but he never really cheated....since the last season is just Roseanne´s fantasy

That sounds really messed up.

I only read the first page or two of this post. 12 Pages was just a little too much for me to read through.

In reguards to Becky's attitude, I can see it a little bit both ways. She was a teenager and sometimes they don't take jokes very well because some may not mature as fast as others.
On the other hand when Becky "spouted" off to Dan about the car was not the first time she has thrown a "fit". I don't remember the episode or season but, Becky wanted a dress for the dance, and Rosanne gave her a $ limit. When they got to the mall Becky was saying she had to have this certain dress and she would die without it and all her friends would make fun of her. She ended up yelling at Roseanne in front of everyone in the mall. If I'm not mistaken Becky did say she was sorry. Point is Becky spouted off quite a bit, and Darlene was a smart mouth.
Its still my all time favorite show!! LOL

If I'm not mistaken Becky did say she was sorry. Point is Becky spouted off quite a bit, and Darlene was a smart mouth.
Its still my all time favorite show!! LOL


which makes them perfectly normal kids...doesn´t it?.....Most kids I know have spouted off or smart mouthed their parents.....I know I have plenty....was it nice? Surely not....but it´s just a part of growing up...and I say it again.....Becky has a point....she wasn´t supposed to have her parents let her have it like that....but well....sometimes You gotta let that steam off....of You explode

Yes, I always found Becky's reaction very normal considering the situation. But I'm still of the opinion, that she should have considering going to a cheaper college (or taken a loan, or waited to see, if she got a scholarship), or at least sticked around until her graduation from High School, instead of eloping with Mark.

Roseanne would never hit her kids is why. remember when she spanked DJ and she felt so horrilble about it. She just liked to talk crap to them. Not physically harm them.

Yep! :thumbsup:

Wow, this thread is continuing over 18 months after it was first started! :)

(I don't think there's anything wrong with that, by the way, I think it's cool. It's great how this discussion has been able to last so long.) Kudos to Solomon for starting such a long-lasting thread!

It was very heated at first, though.

Well, it seems like there have been different opinions about if Becky was out of line or not.

I still think she wasn´t....I understand how she feels and everything....I don´t blame Rosie and Dan for following their dreams with the biker shop...but I defo understand Becky, too

and I love how Roseanne had decided to never hit her children....I don´t see nothing wrong with a little spanking....there is big difference between child abuse and the before mentioned...but I love how she decided that and stuck to it...until the DJ thing...my mother was the same....I only remember having my butt spanked a bit in my entire childhood...and I was quite a handfull....:D

If I had said something like that to my parents, (who btw, are so similar to Dan and Roseanne, we make jokes about it) I would have expected to be on my ass in two seconds. Same with stealing a car and wrecking it, meanwhile not saying a word. Maybe I'm cold, but the first time I watched Roseanne's reaction, I wasn't shocked. I would have been shocked if she hadn't spanked him.

I still don't think, that what Becky said was that bad. But then I'm Swedish. We have a different view on these things than what many Americans have.

And about DJ being spanked, it became such a big deal because Roseanne was afraid to become like her father, who had beaten her and Jackie.

He was pretty shaken by the whole thing. Not to mention angry at her for running off and getting married. Rightly so.

Absolutely! Becky was way out of line. Unfortunately on shows, they don't let the parents act like parents.

Bumped this up for Roger:lol:

^^^ Thanks! :lol:
to her dad? "If you knew how to run a business mark would still have a job you blew it big time daddy and everyone knows it but I'm the only with the guts to say it"


Saw this ep again last night and still couldn't believe it, Roseanne should have defintely slapped her for taking disrespecting your father to a new level. I wonder what Clair huxtable would have done?-lol
Yeah, that was a HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE thing to say! All she was thinking about was how the failure of Dan's bike shop would affect HER AND MARK. The little brat should have shown some sympathy to her father and kept her real feelings to herself. She was SO OUT OF CONTROL in that episode. Roseanne should have told the twerp to get the hell out of her house after that.

I think that was definitely the worst Becky moment.

^^^ Thanks! :lol:

Yeah, that was a HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE thing to say! All she was thinking about was how the failure of Dan's bike shop would affect HER AND MARK. The little brat should have shown some sympathy to her father and kept her real feelings to herself. She was SO OUT OF CONTROL in that episode. Roseanne should have told the twerp to get the hell out of her house after that.

I think that was definitely the worst Becky moment.



My mouth was WIDE OPEN due to shock when i saw this episode:lol: :lol: :lol:

My mouth was WIDE OPEN due to shock when i saw this episode:lol: :lol: :lol:
I couldn't believe it either. When I was a teenager if I talked like that to my dad, he would have knocked my teeth out! :lol:

I wonder what Clair huxtable would have done?-lol
You know, come to think of it, I think that is the only time I would have loved to see Claire Huxtable spout off at the mouth. If Claire was Becky's mom, the little brat would have been TOLD OFF GOOD! Basically, Roseanne didn't really do much of anything.

I couldn't believe it either. When I was a teenager if I talked like that to my dad, he would have knocked my teeth out! :lol:


It was up to Roseanne to hit her because you know most Dad won't hit their daughters


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It was up to Roseanne to hit her because you know most Dad won't hit their daughters


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Becky deserved to be TOLD OFF by Claire Huxtable! Claire wouldn't have put up with that crap for a second! And Claire looked SCARY when she was telling someone off! Becky deserved it.

You're right, dads like Dan would never hit their daughters. Roseanne should have done something.