Well, I'm sure most of you heard about the ideas for the 4th season. Do you think Ginger would have really left? And if she had, how would they adjust the theme song? Also, I heard that some of the scripts for the 4th season might be lying around. Anybody know anything about this? Or have any way of finding them?

Ah Yellow11... this is a topic that greatly interests me and i never tire of discussing! I thank u for starting such a thread!

ahem.
yes, Ginger was supposedly going to somehow leave the island in the fourth season due to the fact that Miss Louise's contract was finished, and well, obviously she wasn't at all fond of the show and was eager to leave...
so... Sherwood Shwartz was presented with a problem... so, I'm not entirely sure how she was supposed to leave without the others, but this is what I've heard roughly:
One day, while Ginger was swimming in the ocean, the tide pulled her out to far and she began to drown... so anyway, some sailors come to her rescue and that's that.
Even though this is a very rough storyline, already I see problems:
1) Um, Ginger can't swim. She says so herself in one or two episodes. So yeah.
2) Since when do they swim in the ocean? They'd either have to build a completely new set for the ocean, or shoot on location, which can be very, very expensive and time consuming.
3) Once she is rescued by the sailors, why wouldn't she tell them that there were six other people marooned on the island?! Yes, I'll admit, at times Ginger could be a bit self-centered, but I don't think it's possible that she wouldn't even mention them! I mean, when she gets back to civilization, people will obvioulsy be questioning her about the others, and what point woud it be for her to say the rest perished or something. And if she told them that the others were still alive and well, wouldn't the coast gaurd do everything they could to find them?!?...
So I don't think it would work... but if they tried to get another actress to replace Miss Louise, uhm... i don't know, I usually Violently appose doing stuff like that... it never works.
Then, I heard this other theory thatl these two other girls would somehow land on the island after Ginger left. I mean come on! That would never have been accepted by the veiwers, at least i don't think so...
from what I heard, the two girls sounded along the lines of the 2 girls from the pilot.... ug....
So, in conclusion to this, um rather, long opinion I have; I don't think the show would be the same without Ginger. She's not my favorite character, but I still like her as I like all the other six and i would miss her if she left the island. Like, whenever I watch "Rescue From GI" i always feel like Ginger is not in the movie, I don't see Judith Baldwin as Ginger, I see her as rather, Judith Baldwin. But anyway... yeah, and then you would have to work out the problem of how the others would react and ect. It would certainly change the show.

btw, welcome Yellow11, i see u have just recently joined our happy posting party!:wave:

Well, I'm sure most of you heard about the ideas for the 4th season. Do you think Ginger would have really left? And if she had, how would they adjust the theme song? Also, I heard that some of the scripts for the 4th season might be lying around. Anybody know anything about this? Or have any way of finding them?

I wrote to Mr. Schwartz a few years back and asked him about any scripts or story ideas he had written for the 4th season; I suggested that any such writings would be great in a book.

His response was that any such scripts would be the property of CBS and therefore not available for publication.

Oh darn, so there's no way to obtain one and post it online just for reading?

His response was that any such scripts would be the property of CBS and therefore not available for publication.

that really stinks.:mad:

oh well...
that's what fan fiction is for!
:lol:

I think Ginger would have stayed

I think Ginger would have needed to stay. Too hard to write her out. I guess one possible scene would be to have her swept out by the tide, rescued by sailors, but then get amnesia and forget what happened with her (the shipwreck).

Another way, but much too sad, would have had her pass on from a tropical illness. I don't think anyone would have approved that kind of script.

Or, her character had gotten so big an ego, that she moved to the other side of the island and not seen again.

Thinking about it now. I think she would need to stay.

I think Ginger would have needed to stay. Too hard to write her out. I guess one possible scene would be to have her swept out by the tide, rescued by sailors, but then get amnesia and forget what happened with her (the shipwreck).

Another way, but much too sad, would have had her pass on from a tropical illness. I don't think anyone would have approved that kind of script.

Or, her character had gotten so big an ego, that she moved to the other side of the island and not seen again.

Thinking about it now. I think she would need to stay.

yeah, like the amnesia thing they've used to many times already...

yes, far to sad to have her die, would certainly not be approved

I don't think that would happen... I mean, yes she has an ego, but like it would be pretty stupid to go to the other side by herself...

yeah, it'd be more believable if she stayed, but if they had to get another actress, i don't think that would work either. see how Judith Baldwin did; couldn't stand her.... Ginger is a particularly hard character to portray without making the character unlikeable.
my thoughts....
like i said, this interests me greatly.
who knows? maybe Sherwood Shwartz or someone could possibley have changed her mind!
:crazy:

Did the real actress, Tina Louise want to get out of the contract? With such a small and talented cast it would be pretty hard to replace anybody. I agree that the amnesia thing was played to death. I don't think the replacement actress could be as flawless as say Beverly Owen to Pat Priest on the Munsters.

No, Ginger was a bigger part than Marilyn. I think the fans would have noticed. However, Bewitched managed a smooth Darrin-switch (even though York was better). I was just curious, no one has any way of getting ahold of a script or is in contact with Sherwood or something?

Here's a couple of thoughts regarding the 4th season without Tina Louise.

The easiest way from a logistical standpoint is for the character to be turned over to another actress; I personally don't think that it would've worked because Tina Louise made that part her own. No matter how talented the replacement actress, it wouldn't be the same.

The other alternative is to write out her character in a way so it would appear that she had not shafted the other castaways buy not coming back for them; and to do this without using the old amnesia ploy.

Here are a couple of ideas:

The first episode of the fourth season, deals with the return of Wrongway Feldman. It seems that Wrongway's paradise didn't last too long when he ran afoul of some of the male natives on the island where he landed. He managed to leave just in time and was able to find his way back to the island.

However, before taking off, one of the native girls had been curious about the plane and had crawled into the tail section out of curiosity. Wrongway and the other castaways discover her after Wrongway arrives.

Wrongway now feels obligated to take her back but then to look for another island paradise. Mr. Howell convinces Wrongway that if he reports to the authorities about the castaways and gets them off the island, he'll buy the island and turn it over to Wrongway for his very own, and he can live out his life in peaceful solitude. Wrongway agrees and all the castaway pitch in to help get the plane ready for the trip. As take-off time approaches, Ginger, who is anxious to return to her career decides to not take any chances this time. She has a talk with the native girl and convinces her to switch places at the last minute. So Ginger, disguised as the native girl manages to take off with Wrongway.

So now, both Ginger and Wrongway are gone and a new face is on the island.
The season would then deal with the native girl and the rest of the castaways learning each other's customs and behavior and becoming friends. There will be times when her knowledge of survival and other tribes, comes in handy.


Now, the other idea is that if the fouth season had been planned as the last season, the final 90 minute series conclusion would have dealt with the volcano coming out of it's dormancy and getting ready for a major eruption, which the Professor has determined will destroy the entire island.

The castaways scramble to complete a giant raft to hopefully flee the island. Although it's completed in time, Gilligan staying true to form, manages to launch it before anyone climbs aboard. Before the volcano is about to erupt, the US Navy arrives and rescues the castaways. Once on board the navy battleship, the Skipper asks how they found them. At that moment, Ginger appears and explains that although they intially got lost, and wound up on another island, it was an island that was in the shipping lanes. Then it was simply a matter of waiting for a ship to arrive and then alert the Navy about the castaways from the Minnow. As a final scene the volcano erupts with a violent explosion and all seven of the castaways watch their island sink into the ocean.

You know, I actually think that wouldn't have been so bad. Ginger doesn't seem all THAT selfish.

You know, I actually think that wouldn't have been so bad. Ginger doesn't seem all THAT selfish.

I think all the characters on the show was all very good nature. I always liked the Howells and even though they could act like snobs most of the time, they would never look to harm or maybe blackmail people that they didn't like or agree with. One of my favorite parts came from the Rescue from Gilligan's Island movie when the Howell's heard their friends speak badly of Gilligan and the Skipper. The Howells had their so-called friends removed from their home. With Ginger, she looked to help the native girl who was supposed to marry Gilligan and that other character that she played a double for, Eve. Even though they had their own distinct personalities that sometimes clashed, it was always in good faith.

I agree with you both, Ginger and the rest of the castaways are very decent people at heart. Which is why my idea had her deciding to take a chance and change places in Wrongway's plane. Naturally every castaway had their own reasons for wanting to return to civilization. But I wanted to illustrate that Ginger was sharp enough to realize that the past efforts to leave the island usually failed because those in a position to help, for some reason found other reasons not to. By going herself she knew that if she reaches civilization she would definately send back help.

In this way the character of Ginger can leave the island and although her fate may become uncertain, she goes out on a high note.

And in the alternate version of the fourth season being the last season, I'm guessing that Tina Louise may have enjoyed the idea of Ginger playing such a large part in rescuing the castaways. And probably would've consented to appearing in both the first and final episodes of the season.

Tina Louise made that part her own. No matter how talented the replacement actress, it wouldn't be the same.



Yeah, couldn't have said it better.
Tina Louise may not have been fond of the role, but I can't think of anyone who could have done a better job. She just captured the character of Ginger perfectly. I really respect her for that because, well, as I've stated previously, Ginger's character could have quickly become really dispicable.
So, for that at least, I thank Ms. Louise; even if she didn't appreciate the TV and pop-culture world will always recognize her face.

Can anyone answer this? I think I know the answer, but I'm not sure. Was the reason why Tina Louise didn't like the role of Ginger because she thought she was the star of the show? Didn't her agent promise her a starring role about an actress shipwrecked with other castaways? Or did she not like all the attention that surrounded her because Gilligan's Island was so popular?

yeah, at the time, I believe Tina Louise was on Broadway and was experiencing moderate success, and anyway, her agent contacted her, and anyway, he told her that she would be the star of Gilligan's Island. After diliberation, Tina Louise agreed, because, well, who wouldn't want to be the star of a tv show? But, she later discovered, that she wasn't the star... so yeah...

but me thoughts...
well, technically... she was the star.... she was the moviestar on the show... but that was still a very not cool thing for her agent to do.... but, I shouldn't talk... because, well if he hadn't done that, the show and castaways I have come to love, would not be the same.

hey, everybody out there on this board, if u have had the desire to buy "Survivng Gilligan's Island" I highly suggest it! It answers all sorts of rumours and very intriguing behind the scene stories such as this one!
it is very entertaining to!

Tina Louise is a smart person...that's why it seems strange to me she could have believed she'd be the star. After all, the show was called GILLIGAN'S Island. As the lady playing Natalie Schafer in Surviving GI said in the scene where they were doing the first read-through of the pilot: "really, dear, mightn't that have been a clue??"

yeah, I'm watching that movie now actually...
it's very, very intriguing...

... so, yup.
....
very interesting...

I think Maryann and The Skiper should have got together

thank you for that um, random comment.

okay...
just wondering? where did that come from?
:confused:

curious...


....no offense intended, just wondering....
:)

Somehow I always picture Mary Ann and Gilligan. There was some sweetness about the two of them. I love the Skipper, he always seems to me to be the fartherly type.

Somehow I always picture Mary Ann and Gilligan. There was some sweetness about the two of them. I love the Skipper, he always seems to me to be the fartherly type.


yep, MAG and G/P all the way!!!!
I'm sry to other kinds of shippers... but that's how I think it's supposed to be!
;)

I luv the Skipper and all, but I just can't see him with MaryAnn or Ginger... to old for them.

For some reason I always wanted to see an episode with Pirates and another western dream sequence

Way back when there was a post about actual 4th season stories that were being developed (before Mr. Paley started going through Gunsmoke withdrawl, of course)...

...I think I remember there was going to be an episode where Gilligan was shrunk down to just a few inches, wasn't there?

GilliganFanatic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lol:

so nice to see you post again!
YAAAAY!

i'm missed your posts... they were always very interesting!


...Sry guys.... i know i usually post more... but... my internet is broken right now... so i got to go to the library if i want to get on!
:mad:

so hi...:wave:

GilliganFanatic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lol:

so nice to see you post again!
YAAAAY!

i'm missed your posts... they were always very interesting!


...Sry guys.... i know i usually post more... but... my internet is broken right now... so i got to go to the library if i want to get on!
:mad:

so hi...:wave:

Thanks :)

I'll try to stop by more often. I graduate next week so I have been busy with end of the year assignments and studying for exams and the rest.

Thanks :)

I'll try to stop by more often. I graduate next week so I have been busy with end of the year assignments and studying for exams and the rest.


CONGRADULATIONS!
:lol:

... I figured u were just really busy and didn't get marooned on some desert isle...
because i know wut a dedicated GI fan u are!
:lol:

good luck.... or maybe by now u already graduated... my internet's been down for a while and continues to not work...:mad:

Congrat's

CONGRADULATIONS!
:lol:

... I figured u were just really busy and didn't get marooned on some desert isle...
because i know wut a dedicated GI fan u are!
:lol:

good luck.... or maybe by now u already graduated... my internet's been down for a while and continues to not work...:mad:

Thanks.

I will be getting some more GI stuff this week, I don't know exactly what it is yet, but I'll post when it comes in.

Welcome back GF and congratulations on your graduation. I'm looking forward to your future creative contributions.

Thanks caladon.

I'm just suprised I was able to find stuff I don't have.

Here are some things I am getting that I know for sure.

1. The Bob Goulet Show 4/7/70 w/Bob Hope, Bob Denver, Diahann Carroll,
and Joanne Worley 50 minutes

I'VE GOT A SECRET:
2. 686) 3/20/67 Guest: Jim Backus panel: Betsy Palmer, Bill Cullen, Henry Morgan, and Bess Myerson
3. 730) 7/24/57 Guest: Gyspy Rose Lee Bill Cullen hosts Panel : Carl Reiner, Jayne Meadows, Jim Backus, and Faye Emerson

4. OUR TIME(Hosted by Karen Valentine):
5)Paul Peterson co-hosts with Buzz Aldrin, Bill Dana, Dwayne Hickman, Tina Louise,
Steve Reeves, Deborah Walley, Dawn Wells, Jane Withers, Jimmy Alleck,
Anthony Eisley, and Mitch Ryder(Devil With A Blue Dress) 8/25/85

5. PASSWORD
444) 7/1/65 Vivian Vance and Jim Backus


6. STUMP THE STARS
19) 6/10/63 The cast of "Operation Bikini" Jim Backus, Frankie Avalon, Tab Hunter, and
Harvey Lembeck challenge regulars Ross Martin, Sebastian Cabot, Beverly Garland,
and Hans Conreid 30 minutes w/o/c

WHAT'S MY LINE:
7. 1624) 9/15/57 Mystery Guests: George Sanders and Erle Stanley Gardner
panel: Arlene Francis, Dorothy Kilgallen, Bennett Cerf, and Jim Backus

8. TOGETHER WE STAND:
1)The Race For President (Grainy)

Sherwood Schwartz produced Together We Stand if you were wondering what that was.

Matt---in a very short time you've gone from being an avid collector to an obsessed madman----and then broken through as a sensational archivist who ought to consider leaving everything to the Smithsonian. ;)

Amazing and impressive! :cool:

Matt---in a very short time you've gone from being an avid collector to an obsessed madman

:lol:

well, regardless of your sanity (:crazy: ) gilligan fanatic... it is indeed impressive...

:cool:

I just don't know what is going to happen when I have everything-lol

That day is coming soon.

Last night I had a thought relevant to this thread. As we've seen through the show, once a guest star had left, there was little, or in most cases no mention of them ever being on the island. How do you think this would relate to Ginger if she had left. How would the writers handle this? How would the characters themselves react? How would the fans reacted?

Just some more thoughts