In the crappy Lost Love case of LaDonna Alfano, one where her mothers car stalls on the train track crossing and then a train slams into it, I'm left to wonder exactly how this is possible. Stack says "noboby knows how and why it happened".. am I allowed to say "Typical women drivers!?"? :D Seriously though, wouldn't you have got out of the car and run before you watch a train slam into you????

Suicide

am I allowed to say "Typical women drivers!?"? :D

You are "allowed" to say pretty much anything, but it's probably best for you that I don't know where you live. :)

You are "allowed" to say pretty much anything, but it's probably best for you that I don't know where you live. :)

He probably thinks he's safe since he's in another continent but I do have a street address for him so I would tread carefully when talking about women drivers...;) :lol:

Actually Space Invaderz has a point. Who watches a train slam into them?

Women drivers can be one explanation. If she is from New Jersey, then thats another piece of the puzzle. People, and often women, sometimes panic in situations behind the wheel and may freeze up. This is a common occurrence in cars that stall on the tracks. We ask, why dont people get out, but sometimes, they think they have enough time, and they are hesitant to lose their car to a train, and sadly enough, they may even want to die. Tell them to try pills next time, way easier!

Even if the car really did stall right in the middle of the tracks, I always thought it was weird that they all stayed in the car. The segment made it look as though they would've had plenty of time to get out, plus that half the town apparently saw the whole thing happen. o_O

In the crappy Lost Love case of LaDonna Alfano, one where her mothers car stalls on the train track crossing and then a train slams into it, I'm left to wonder exactly how this is possible. Stack says "noboby knows how and why it happened".. am I allowed to say "Typical women drivers!?"? :D Seriously though, wouldn't you have got out of the car and run before you watch a train slam into you????

I was very close to being in this situation in summer '98. I went on a summer camping trip with my parents and younger sister. We had a lousy day getting to Memphis, plenty of arguments and then some damage to the camper when we stupidly tried to get a spot in the campground smack across from Graceland late in the day. I couldn't convince my sister to give up on her insistence that we try to camp there without a reservation.

Anyway, it got dark and we couldn't find a campground. Finally we got directions to one, but it wasn't in the greatest area. I had to ask some people at a seedy little store with security bars everywhere. My dad was driving and he was impatient and ready to quit for the day, as all of us were.

Next thing you know he doesn't hear the warnings at a train crossing and drives past the barrier just before it comes down on top of us. The very front of our Toyota Land Cruiser was smack on the tracks. To this day I can still hear and see the train coming full speed toward us from the left, blaring at us no more than a couple hundred yards away. I remember for a second not knowing what to do. I was in the front passenger seat and put my hands on the seatbelt and car door lock, about to bolt. But my parents and sister were in the car. No way they were getting out. It absolutely is true what they say, that time seems to freeze. I looked at my dad's hands on the automatic shift. He briefly got the gear stuck in neutral, from drive, but finally got it into reverse and we lunged backwards and off the tracks. The barrier sheared off our plastic protective bug screen on the front of the car when we backed up, but needless to say that was no concern at all. I remember sitting there so relieved as the train roared past only feet away.

My sister freaked out and flew home early a few days later. She never camped again and now says she hates it. But my dad has always described how calm he felt in that situation, knowing what he had to do with the gear shift and simply doing it. I still get the shakes sometimes, wondering what would have happened if the car had stalled. It wasn't that old, an '89, but already more than 200,000 miles on the engine.

He probably thinks he's safe since he's in another continent but I do have a street address for him so I would tread carefully when talking about women drivers...;) :lol:

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Awesome.

Im a smart guy whos staying out of this one.

Does anybody remember that episode of Cops where those two old ladies got confused and drove right on the train track, cannot remember exactly what happened but I think they got them out and stopped the train in time:crazy:

Actually, my grandfather was involved in an accident where the car stalled on the train tracks when he was young. As they came over the tracks another car was stalled at the stop sign on the other side. My grandfather's uncle was able to grab my grandfather and jump from the car. My great grandfather wrapped his body around my great uncle and absorbed the impact. Uncle Harold survived but my great grandfather was killed.

Granted, this was many years ago. My grandfather never allowed us to count the train cars when we were waiting at a crossing.

Also, my husband's great uncle and aunt were killed by a train about 12 years ago. They were elderly. People reported that the signal was malfunctioning and that it had been reported to the railroad company but not yet repaired. It seems that when they found themselves on the tracks they just froze. There were cars in front of them and also behind. The other cars tried to move so they could get off the tracks but witnesses stated that they sat in the car, frozen and watched the train coming. They were not suicidal. Both were in good health. Marraige was still healthy after more than 40 years.

I was very close to being in this situation in summer '98...


Based on some of the posts you've made that I've come across, you have led one hell of an interesting life.

there was a show on spike tv, something about "World's Most Shocking Train Accidents" or something, and they said you were 40 times more likely to get hit by a train than by a car.

Based on some of the posts you've made that I've come across, you have led one hell of an interesting life.

Actually day to day it's fairly mundane, work then heading from sportsbook to sportsbook. But I've traveled almost every summer and now late spring so you pick up experiences and stories in that regard. And I guess the three places I've lived for extended periods -- Miami, Los Angeles and Las Vegas -- lend themselves to attending events and meeting unique people.

One old man I knew here for almost 20 years was an absolute character, Sam Angel. He died at age 86 about three weeks ago and I'm now mentioning him under my user name. He was the most memorable person I've ever met in this town, even if some people found him crude and never gave him a full chance. Here's a recent article about him from when he was hospitalized. Lem Banker is quoted at the end of this article. He is a famous local sports bettor who was in the UM segment about Sonny Liston. BTW, a character/handicapper from New York named Dan Gordon who gives everyone nicknames came up with a phenomenal one for Lem Banker; Ice Cream Soda Head. Find a picture and you'll see how well it fits. He have me the nickname Chocolate Layer Cake, for whatever reason. Some people have shortened that to call me CLC:

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2007/Jan-28-Sun-2007/news/12220550.html

Actually, my grandfather was involved in an accident where the car stalled on the train tracks when he was young. As they came over the tracks another car was stalled at the stop sign on the other side. My grandfather's uncle was able to grab my grandfather and jump from the car. My great grandfather wrapped his body around my great uncle and absorbed the impact. Uncle Harold survived but my great grandfather was killed.

Granted, this was many years ago. My grandfather never allowed us to count the train cars when we were waiting at a crossing.

Also, my husband's great uncle and aunt were killed by a train about 12 years ago. They were elderly. People reported that the signal was malfunctioning and that it had been reported to the railroad company but not yet repaired. It seems that when they found themselves on the tracks they just froze. There were cars in front of them and also behind. The other cars tried to move so they could get off the tracks but witnesses stated that they sat in the car, frozen and watched the train coming. They were not suicidal. Both were in good health. Marriage was still healthy after more than 40 years.

Wowww... thanks for sharing that with us. What sad stories. Guess it just goes to show you that accidents happen anywhere. :(

Awhile ago I wondered how this could happened, well yesterday in Perth over here, a disabled woman in a wheelchair actually fell outta the chair and landed in between the tracks... and well.. I don't need to tell you what happened next. :eek: so anythings possible now.

Even if the car really did stall right in the middle of the tracks, I always thought it was weird that they all stayed in the car. The segment made it look as though they would've had plenty of time to get out, plus that half the town apparently saw the whole thing happen. o_O

My impression exactly, that anyone with any real maternal feeling and that amount of time, would have gotten all of the children not only out of the car but far enough from the car that no matter which way the train pushed it it would not slide off the tracks and hit them--think of saving the kids before the car!

My impression exactly, that anyone with any real maternal feeling and that amount of time, would have gotten all of the children not only out of the car but far enough from the car that no matter which way the train pushed it it would not slide off the tracks and hit them--think of saving the kids before the car!

Well, I'm sure it wasn't exactly how Unsolved Mysteries depicted it. They may have extended the time for heightened drama. Even if it was based on eyewitness reports, impressions of passage of time are VERY unreliable in high stress situations. Also, I don't recall the segment stating how they were found inside the car. Remember, the car was full of children, grabbing them all up in their arms may have taken more time than they had. Perhaps they were trying to get out and were foiled by seat belts and/or car locks. I'm not sure that we can judge someone in such a situation... how long would it take you to get 5 small children out of a car with a train bearing down on you? I hope none of us ever has to find out.

And let's not forget that people's brains often shut down in such situations and they proceed with the first thing that comes to mind, even if it is not the most effective solution, for example, people in fires in public places have a tendency to try and leave by the door they came in even if it is further away. So, in that scenario the frozen brain logic may have been 'car is stuck, must move car'. It also just could have been a 'deer caught in headlights' sort of thing.

-Necco

People, and often women, sometimes panic in situations behind the wheel and may freeze up.

I'm really, really not trying to be a pain in the backside, but don't you think that's kind of a broad statement to make about "women drivers"? (That phrase always makes me laugh, btw; it sounds so archaic :) )

The car stuck on the traintrack wasn't the only fishy thing there. I also thought something wasn't right about how Mr. Alfano claimed he had NO idea how to contact the late Mrs. Alfano's family nor even who they were- yet somehow LaDonna could recall getting a card from an aunt when she was a teenager years after the trainwreck. Oh, yeah, they all got reunited after the segment was shown and both sides claimed to be so happy to see each other (again?) . However; I couldn't shake the feeling that there may have been a major rift (possibly from even before the trainwreck) that none of the older adults wanted to own up whatever their roles may have played so they could bask in LaDonna being so happy to see them!

Michael Gross of Family Ties made a safety video about how not to get hit by a train. The length was 60 minutes, and I thought, how could it take an hour to say, "STAY OFF THE TRACKS!" Trains run on them. Yet, some people don't get it. Look at this male genius not from New Jersey (or even America) http://DarwinAwards.com/darwin/darwin2008-17.html who earned himself a Darwin Award. :crazy:

I always found those elements of the case weird. But nothing can be done now to help what happened.

Michael Gross of Family Ties made a safety video about how not to get hit by a train. The length was 60 minutes, and I thought, how could it take an hour to say, "STAY OFF THE TRACKS!" Trains run on them. Yet, some people don't get it. Look at this male genius not from New Jersey (or even America) http://DarwinAwards.com/darwin/darwin2008-17.html who earned himself a Darwin Award. :crazy:

I know it's off topic, but, wow, do I remember the infamous Michael Gross "Operation Lifesaver" video. I had to watch it in drivers' ed in high school---for all of its repetitiveness, the whole '80's look and film quality was truly amazing. I never totally "got" just how serious trains really were until my husband started working for the railroad. Gruesome, gruesome accidents. :(

Well, I hope the video helped someone.

Michael Gross of Family Ties made a safety video about how not to get hit by a train. The length was 60 minutes, and I thought, how could it take an hour to say, "STAY OFF THE TRACKS!" Trains run on them. Yet, some people don't get it. Look at this male genius not from New Jersey (or even America) http://DarwinAwards.com/darwin/darwin2008-17.html who earned himself a Darwin Award. :crazy:

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I TOTALLY remember seeing that vid in driver's ed. I remember the teacher making Gross's introduction and Gross getting applause on his entrance. That was actually the most current video we saw in that class, as most dated back to the 70's. The whole class would laught at various points for the sheer corniness and outdatidness of it.

Hi all. LaDonna is my long-lost cousin. I was curious to see what, if anything, I could find about this episode online, and am delighted to see people are still talking about it. I wanted to point out/share a couple things:
1st... The episode was a dramatization of the events, obviously we don't know how much time the driver had between the car stalling and the train impact.
2nd... Don't forget that not only was LaDonna, her mother, and her two sisters in the car, but also her mother's friend, and her two children. LaDonna was the only survivor. That's a lot of frightened, panicked, and probably screaming people, and I'm not sure I'd be able to think clearly in those circumstances, either.
3rd... This happened in 1961. Cars were much less dependable, train signals and crossing gates were not nearly as sophisticated as today's technology. Not to mention, perhaps the car had a history of a stalling and/or a flooding engine. Perhaps due to past experiences, the driver expected the car to start again, not realizing that in her panic she may have been making matters worse by continuing to gas the engine. Not to mention, in those days, it wasn't usually the women who were the auto mechanics in the family. I doubt the driver knew how to change the oil, let alone understand why her car was stalling and not starting. I could be wrong, but that's what my gut tells me.
4th... You are correct in your presumption that there was some bad blood between my grandparents and LaDonna's father. (He wasn't invited to the reunion, you may not have noticed) But despite my grandfather's love for his granddaughter, he was not able to keep up with her father's relocations, and since LaDonna was only 5 at the time of the accident, her grandparents soon grew to be distant memories as she was absorbed by her father's new wife, her family, and the new surroundings she found herself in, always self-conscious of her facial scars and emotionally damaged by the terrible loss of her mother, twin, and sister, and the "replacement" mother she had to endure (that's putting it lightly).
5th... As for the reunion... Let me tell you that LaDonna was never for a moment a stranger to us. She was *family* immediately. We've had several family reunions since the initial reunion (we all live spread out across the nation), and there's never been a cross word or "oh my gosh, who is this person?" uttered. We feel continually blessed to have LaDonna back in our family and only wish she hadn't had to endure the many years of loneliness and separation from us and that we had known her sooner. If you remember from the show, LaDonna mentions how she never understood why she didn't feel a close bond with her father's side of the family, but after meeting us she did understand. She's *our* family. Her mannerisms, thought processes, love for life and how she expresses them are all *very* much derived from her mother and her mother's side of the family. It is uncanny. We *get* each other.

On a side note, she's sleeping in my spare bedroom as I type this. She's visiting me for 2 weeks to celebrate the holidays and then we fly together to meet my sister's family, their new son who was born just a month ago, LaDonna's aunt (my mother) and my other sibling from Arizona. It will be our 3rd reunion at my sister's place, we've already had a 2nd at my mother's, and one at LaDonna's on the east coast. That happiness depicted in the show doesn't even scratch the surface of the true love that exists between LaDonna and the rest of us... of course, how could it? We had only *JUST MET HER* at the time. She is an unbelievable person, and I'm proud to call her "Cuz."

Of course, the most bittersweet thing of all was how my grandfather went home after saying goodbye to LaDonna at the airport, sat down to watch TV, and never awoke. If I'm not mistaken, it was LaDonna's call upon her arrival home that my Oma found she couldn't awaken Opa. He died peacefully in his sleep, his prayers answered, and full of memories he waited a lifetime to experience. May God bless us all with a transition as beautiful.
Love,
-LaDonna's Cousin


The car stuck on the traintrack wasn't the only fishy thing there. I also thought something wasn't right about how Mr. Alfano claimed he had NO idea how to contact the late Mrs. Alfano's family nor even who they were- yet somehow LaDonna could recall getting a card from an aunt when she was a teenager years after the trainwreck. Oh, yeah, they all got reunited after the segment was shown and both sides claimed to be so happy to see each other (again?) . However; I couldn't shake the feeling that there may have been a major rift (possibly from even before the trainwreck) that none of the older adults wanted to own up whatever their roles may have played so they could bask in LaDonna being so happy to see them!

That's super cool. :) I'm glad to hear that you and LaDonna are close. You two enjoy the rest of your holiday season!

Of course, the most bittersweet thing of all was how my grandfather went home after saying goodbye to LaDonna at the airport, sat down to watch TV, and never awoke. If I'm not mistaken, it was LaDonna's call upon her arrival home that my Oma found she couldn't awaken Opa. He died peacefully in his sleep, his prayers answered, and full of memories he waited a lifetime to experience. May God bless us all with a transition as beautiful.
Love,
-LaDonna's Cousin

Wow, I will never cease to be amazed about stories of people who accomplish something big and then pass away. It is as if finding his long lost granddaughter made his life complete. I'm glad things have worked out so well for LaDonna and your family.

Happy New Year and thank you for sharing.
-Necco

good post MOP. Obviously there are some things that can be easily mis-interpreted when watching UM. but that's one of the great things about the mysterious nature of the show.
on another note:

not that being a woman had anything to do with it, but my mom almost had me killed one day trying to beat a train while crossing the tracks.....stupid decision on her part. I was only 5 years old and to this day I won't let her off the hook for that one. Having said that I know I have made some poor choices behind the wheel......it's called being human(not male or female).

Thanks for posting MOP. Thats great that LaDonna and her mom's family have hit it off so well. Btw not sure if you knew this or not but her segment was actually on the new UM today on Spike. Very similar to the original and probably edited a bit.

I just saw this a few minutes ago on Spike and ran right here to read about it. Thank you so much for the update, LaDonna's cousin. I've had a rough few weeks due to a death in my family, and your story truly warmed my heart and gave me such a good, hopeful feeling. It's so nice to hear a happy ending.

This board is such an amazing addition to and extension of the show! Thanks so much, LaDonna's cousin, for letting us know how things came out. The detail about your grandfather is stunning. Thanks so much for sharing! Happy New Year!

I thought I'd just add some info on the "mechanics" of why the driver may not have been able to get her car started up again after it stalled on the tracks.

Most likely, the car stalled while the transmission was in Drive as she was driving over the tracks.

Once she realized the train was coming at them, she repeatedly tried to turn the keys (if the reenactment on UM is actually how it happened) to restart the engine.

I'm sure she was doing this while the transmission was still in Drive. That car would never have started with the trans in drive. She would have had to shift it to Neutral or Park before turning the key would have started the car.

I'm speaking from experience. I've owned a 1961, 1963, 1966, and a 1975, (all Fords). The ones with automatic transmissions would not start with the shift lever in the Drive position.

I have always felt that this was the reason she was not able to restart the stalled car in time to get out of the way of the train.

Of course, she very well could have been pressing the gas pedal hard and often while trying to start the car, in her panic. That would have just flooded the engine, also preventing it from starting. But for some reason, I always felt it was because the car stalled while in Drive, and she didn't shift to Neutral before turning the key to restart.

Hi all. LaDonna is my long-lost cousin. I was curious to see what, if anything, I could find about this episode online, and am delighted to see people are still talking about it. I wanted to point out/share a couple things:
1st... The episode was a dramatization of the events, obviously we don't know how much time the driver had between the car stalling and the train impact.
2nd... Don't forget that not only was LaDonna, her mother, and her two sisters in the car, but also her mother's friend, and her two children. LaDonna was the only survivor. That's a lot of frightened, panicked, and probably screaming people, and I'm not sure I'd be able to think clearly in those circumstances, either.
3rd... This happened in 1961. Cars were much less dependable, train signals and crossing gates were not nearly as sophisticated as today's technology. Not to mention, perhaps the car had a history of a stalling and/or a flooding engine. Perhaps due to past experiences, the driver expected the car to start again, not realizing that in her panic she may have been making matters worse by continuing to gas the engine. Not to mention, in those days, it wasn't usually the women who were the auto mechanics in the family. I doubt the driver knew how to change the oil, let alone understand why her car was stalling and not starting. I could be wrong, but that's what my gut tells me.
4th... You are correct in your presumption that there was some bad blood between my grandparents and LaDonna's father. (He wasn't invited to the reunion, you may not have noticed) But despite my grandfather's love for his granddaughter, he was not able to keep up with her father's relocations, and since LaDonna was only 5 at the time of the accident, her grandparents soon grew to be distant memories as she was absorbed by her father's new wife, her family, and the new surroundings she found herself in, always self-conscious of her facial scars and emotionally damaged by the terrible loss of her mother, twin, and sister, and the "replacement" mother she had to endure (that's putting it lightly).
5th... As for the reunion... Let me tell you that LaDonna was never for a moment a stranger to us. She was *family* immediately. We've had several family reunions since the initial reunion (we all live spread out across the nation), and there's never been a cross word or "oh my gosh, who is this person?" uttered. We feel continually blessed to have LaDonna back in our family and only wish she hadn't had to endure the many years of loneliness and separation from us and that we had known her sooner. If you remember from the show, LaDonna mentions how she never understood why she didn't feel a close bond with her father's side of the family, but after meeting us she did understand. She's *our* family. Her mannerisms, thought processes, love for life and how she expresses them are all *very* much derived from her mother and her mother's side of the family. It is uncanny. We *get* each other.

On a side note, she's sleeping in my spare bedroom as I type this. She's visiting me for 2 weeks to celebrate the holidays and then we fly together to meet my sister's family, their new son who was born just a month ago, LaDonna's aunt (my mother) and my other sibling from Arizona. It will be our 3rd reunion at my sister's place, we've already had a 2nd at my mother's, and one at LaDonna's on the east coast. That happiness depicted in the show doesn't even scratch the surface of the true love that exists between LaDonna and the rest of us... of course, how could it? We had only *JUST MET HER* at the time. She is an unbelievable person, and I'm proud to call her "Cuz."

Of course, the most bittersweet thing of all was how my grandfather went home after saying goodbye to LaDonna at the airport, sat down to watch TV, and never awoke. If I'm not mistaken, it was LaDonna's call upon her arrival home that my Oma found she couldn't awaken Opa. He died peacefully in his sleep, his prayers answered, and full of memories he waited a lifetime to experience. May God bless us all with a transition as beautiful.
Love,
-LaDonna's Cousin

Dear MOP,
Thanks so much for your posting about this. It answers a great many questions. I want to make clear that I wasn't questioning your family's sincerity in being happy to be reunited with LaDonna or your family's love for her but I was only wondering why the older members of your family and LaDonna's father wouldn't acknowledge that there may have been any bad blood. I also wonder why the UM producers left out all mentions of Mr. Alfano's remarriage. They made it seem as though he remained an unremarried widower who totally devoted his life to caring for his sole surviving child! Strange.
I'm happy your grandfather got to live to be reunited with your cousin but it's sad he died so soon afterwards. And, most importantly, I'm happy that your family and LaDonna have embraced each other! God Bless!

In the crappy Lost Love case of LaDonna Alfano, one where her mothers car stalls on the train track crossing and then a train slams into it, I'm left to wonder exactly how this is possible. Stack says "noboby knows how and why it happened".. am I allowed to say "Typical women drivers!?"? :D Seriously though, wouldn't you have got out of the car and run before you watch a train slam into you????
I have just found this website when I googled my name. I was blown away at your comment. My name is La Donna Alfano and I am the twin girl that survived this accident. May Karma never come back to bite you after this comment. Do some research and GET A LIFE!!!!:eek:

Dear MOP,
Thanks so much for your posting about this. It answers a great many questions. I want to make clear that I wasn't questioning your family's sincerity in being happy to be reunited with LaDonna or your family's love for her but I was only wondering why the older members of your family and LaDonna's father wouldn't acknowledge that there may have been any bad blood. I also wonder why the UM producers left out all mentions of Mr. Alfano's remarriage. They made it seem as though he remained an unremarried widower who totally devoted his life to caring for his sole surviving child! Strange.
I'm happy your grandfather got to live to be reunited with your cousin but it's sad he died so soon afterwards. And, most importantly, I'm happy that your family and LaDonna have embraced each other! God Bless!
MOP---THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. Why didn't you tell me this when I woke up that you did this. I just found this website only because someone told me how many things were on the web under my name. I love you, CUZ. I miss you so much!!! You are a doll. XXXOOO

I have just found this website when I googled my name. I was blown away at your comment. My name is La Donna Alfano and I am the twin girl that survived this accident. May Karma never come back to bite you after this comment. Do some research and GET A LIFE!!!!:eek:

Well I don't really care whether your were blown away or about karma but it's you that dug up a 3+ year old post of mine that I was half wondering how it's possible and half having a poke a women drivers (since there are a few women here that are quite friendly) so why don't you just tone it down a little.

In the crappy Lost Love case of LaDonna Alfano, one where her mothers car stalls on the train track crossing and then a train slams into it, I'm left to wonder exactly how this is possible. Stack says "noboby knows how and why it happened".. am I allowed to say "Typical women drivers!?"? :D Seriously though, wouldn't you have got out of the car and run before you watch a train slam into you????
You need to get a life. My name is La Donna Alfano and are you serious!!! Have you ever heard about how a deer reacts to headlights?? You need to do some research and GET A LIFE!!! I hope KARMA doesn't come to bite you with those comments. You need to get my book, "My Dance With Opa" and maybe you'll know how stupid to have said this where I could read it. Shame on you!!:mad:

Well I don't really care whether your were blown away or about karma but it's you that dug up a 3+ year old post of mine that I was half wondering how it's possible and half having a poke a women drivers (since there are a few women here that are quite friendly) so why don't you just tone it down a little.
I just found this. I have other things to do in my life than search the web to see what stupid people are saying about me. I see you haven't grown up in the last three years and I would be careful what you say about Karma.

You need to get a life. My name is La Donna Alfano and are you serious!!! Have you ever heard about how a deer reacts to headlights?? You need to do some research and GET A LIFE!!! I hope KARMA doesn't come to bite you with those comments. You need to get my book, "My Dance With Opa" and maybe you'll know how stupid to have said this where I could read it. Shame on you!!:mad:

I just found this. I have other things to do in my life than search the web to see what stupid people are saying about me. I see you haven't grown up in the last three years and I would be careful what you say about Karma.

So are you saying that a deer was driving?

Just relax, if you can't take people wondering about what and how things happen on this UM board then might I suggest before you post you breathe, count to ten and then hit the back button.

So are you saying that a deer was driving?

Just relax, if you can't take people wondering about what and how things happen on this UM board then might I suggest before you post you breathe, count to ten and then hit the back button.
You are not even worth the time or energy; to talk to someone who has no idea about loss!!! Like I said, GET A LIFE!!!!

LIke I said, I don't have the time or energy to deal with someone who has no clue about Life and LOSS. GET A LIFE!!!:rolleyes: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:

LIke I said, I don't have the time or energy to deal with someone who has no clue about Life and LOSS. GET A LIFE!!!:rolleyes: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:

Is GET A LIFE all you can say because you are sounding like a punkass teenager.