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tdr
03-14-2007, 09:42 PM
NOVARick gets the credit for this idea. He suggested we have a new thread on the reasons Lucy would have gone to jail; I will add, or at least faced criminal charges, and extend it to all the characters, even extras.

Lucy:
Abduction --the dancer whose job she wanted; and possibly, with Fred, the Cuban dancer who had known Ricky when a little girl in Cuba.
Disturbing the peace-- wrecking the apartment.
Theft -- John Wayne's footprints.
Gatecrashing (maybe) with Ethel for "The Most Happy Fella".
Reporting false information to police officers in "Equal Rights."
Fraud-- tellling the dealer Fred bought that 1923 junker from that she represented a movie studio looking for that car; [the fraudalent raffle for the Ladies Overseas Aid could not be prosecuted, unless by intent]; pretending to be Ricky's agent in Hollywood; possibly abetting a fraud with Ethel as the 'women from Mars'; passing off a dummy with a model of Ricky's head as Ricky himself (though how could that act have been scheduled without Ricky signing a contract?); causing loss of jobs by giving false information (like the barber shop quartet singer and the original girl scheduled for the Vitameatavegemin commercial)...probably more.

I may get back to other characters later; Lucy herself is enough to tire one's thinking like this. And all this does not even include 'crimes' of fraud and abduction against Ricky, for which she probably could not be prosecuted... nevertheless if Ricky and Lucy got a divorce on their level, as Desi and Lucille actually did, that wouldn't have been exactly a sitcom either.

NOVARick
03-15-2007, 01:05 AM
nevertheless if Ricky and Lucy got a divorce on their level, as Desi and Lucille actually did, that wouldn't have been exactly a sitcom either.

Excellent start on this tdr. As for Ricky divorcing her, I think he would be able to save himself a lot of trouble just by having her thrown in prison. That way he could avoid both the trouble and expense of dealing with lawyers. And, more significantly, no alimony payments and automatic custody of Little Ricky. :)

Ireneparalegal
03-18-2007, 07:52 PM
John Wayne's footprints: Vandalism could be added to those charges. She vandalized Graumann's Chinese Theatre by removing the cement block.

NOVARick
03-20-2007, 12:02 AM
Isn't it ironic that with all the crimes Lucy committed that could have, and should have, landed her in jail, one of the few times she actually did go to jail was simply because she said "Boo"?

gidgetgrape
03-20-2007, 12:14 AM
I'm pretty sure she didn't obtain any business licenses to sell meat or salad dressing.

tdr
03-20-2007, 07:47 PM
Isn't it ironic that with all the crimes Lucy committed that could have, and should have, landed her in jail, one of the few times she actually did go to jail was simply because she said "Boo"?

Right, and the more serious charges against all 4 (5, including Cousin Ernie) of them-- attempting to break her out of jail and tying up the sheriff to get away-- they got off clean. In reality they would probably have been reported to the Tennessee state police, who should have been able to nab them before they got out of the state.

How about the illegal border crossing Lucy attempted? When Lucy thought she didn't have her passport as they rode bicycles from Italy into France, she tore off a large number from a poster and tried to ride through, but the Italian guard caught her and pulled her back.

Larry Surrell
03-20-2007, 07:53 PM
This is a fun topic. I'd love to see what else you all come up with. Here's a few more:

Breaking and entering into Cornell Wilde's hotel room and Richard Widmark's house.

Sneaking out of the cabin in Ohio without paying the bill.

Attempting to bring 25 lbs of cheese into the U.S. without paying duty or shipping charges.

Purgery - Lying under oath about how the Mertz's television set got broken ( of course Ethel could be charged with this too).

Destruction of property - mowing through Betty Ramsey's tulip garden.

Ireneparalegal
03-20-2007, 10:40 PM
Damaging all those cigars in the cigar shop in Cuba.

gidgetgrape
03-21-2007, 12:04 AM
Breaking and entering into Cornell Wilde's hotel room and Richard Widmark's house.



Lucy was a stalker. :lol:

Madame X
03-21-2007, 01:43 PM
In addition to the many fraud situations (lying and assuming fake identies):
:nonono:
Wiretapping-Oil Wells
Writing a bad check-The Operetta
Disturbing the peace-Breaking the Lease
Trespassing-The New Neighbors
Theft-Lucy Gets Ricky on the Radio, Ricky and Fred are TV Fans
Assault-Lucy and Ethel But the Same Dress, Lucy's Italian Movie
Vandalism-Ricky and Fred are TV Fans
Destruction of pubic property-The Ricardos Dedicate a Statue
False advertising-The Million Dollar Idea, Ricky's Hawaiian Vacation
Obstruction of justice-The Great Train Robbery

And whatever they call these crimes:

Driving without a license or insurance
Stopping a train by pulling the emergency cord
Using stolen answers on a quiz show
Running a grocery-buying scam

And she would have stowed away to Europe if she could have!

Ireneparalegal
03-21-2007, 02:35 PM
In addition to the many fraud situations (lying and assuming fake identies):
:nonono:
Wiretapping-Oil Wells
Writing a bad check-The Operetta
Disturbing the peace-Breaking the Lease
Trespassing-The New Neighbors
Theft-Lucy Gets Ricky on the Radio, Ricky and Fred are TV Fans
Assault-Lucy and Ethel But the Same Dress, Lucy's Italian Movie
Vandalism-Ricky and Fred are TV Fans
Destruction of pubic property-The Ricardos Dedicate a Statue
False advertising-The Million Dollar Idea, Ricky's Hawaiian Vacation
Obstruction of justice-The Great Train Robbery

And whatever they call these crimes:

Driving without a license or insurance
Stopping a train by pulling the emergency cord
Using stolen answers on a quiz show
Running a grocery-buying scam

And she would have stowed away to Europe if she could have!
Awesome list there! *applaud* :lol:

What abt the LUCKY BUCK episode? Ricky listed the amount of money he was billed for all the damages Lucy caused at the laundry mat. Destruction of property would be the charges. Also add trespassing.

Ricky would also be charged for trespassing and impersonating an employee since he pretended to work for the company to get Lucy into the facility.

Ireneparalegal
03-23-2007, 11:17 PM
In the episode The Adagio where there is a french apache dance number and Ethel finds a man to show Lucy how to do this dance. Well, the man has other intentions with Lucy. Later Ricky and this man pretend to "duel" with pistols. With Lucy in the living room with Ethel you hear gun shots. Now! this would be Ricky getting in trouble with the law for illegally shooting a weapon inside a dwelling, not to mention hurting any persons unintentionally.

Lucy going door to door trying to peddle that unwanted Handy Dandy vaccum. No seller's permit.

How could we forget having a child in a building where NO CHILDREN ARE ALLOWED? Mrs. Trumbell: "If I hear that baby cry once more, I will send for the police!"

In the episode, The Girls Go Into Business, regarding the dress shop, Lucy was going to commit fraud by telling a "sad story".

Madame X
03-24-2007, 05:19 PM
In the episode The Adagio where there is a french apache dance number and Ethel finds a man to show Lucy how to do this dance. Well, the man has other intentions with Lucy. Later Ricky and this man pretend to "duel" with pistols. With Lucy in the living room with Ethel you hear gun shots. Now! this would be Ricky getting in trouble with the law for illegally shooting a weapon inside a dwelling, not to mention hurting any persons unintentionally.

Lucy going door to door trying to peddle that unwanted Handy Dandy vaccum. No seller's permit.

How could we forget having a child in a building where NO CHILDREN ARE ALLOWED? Mrs. Trumbell: "If I hear that baby cry once more, I will send for the police!"

In the episode, The Girls Go Into Business, regarding the dress shop, Lucy was going to commit fraud by telling a "sad story".

Good ones!

Coffeecup
03-24-2007, 05:51 PM
This is good topic. But had any one figure how much Ricky paid for Lucy's schemes. How much was he in hawk for The Million Idea for one escapade. There is so many. In one of the first episodes where she goes on tv to win money for her finances are in tough shape. The episode where she had to convince Ricky she was married before. Phil ober play the second first husband she seems to come out ahead. But along the way Ricky could have declared Bankrupcy. Just a days ago I saw the Opera one of my favorites and Lucy funds were bare and so were the Fine arts league. Toward the end of the show when she bought the furniture with Betty Ramsey if it wasn't for the gig Ricky got from Ralph another big debt. How many others are there.

Ireneparalegal
03-24-2007, 10:19 PM
This is good topic. But had any one figure how much Ricky paid for Lucy's schemes. How much was he in hawk for The Million Idea for one escapade. There is so many. In one of the first episodes where she goes on tv to win money for her finances are in tough shape. The episode where she had to convince Ricky she was married before. Phil ober play the second first husband she seems to come out ahead. But along the way Ricky could have declared Bankrupcy. Just a days ago I saw the Opera one of my favorites and Lucy funds were bare and so were the Fine arts league. Toward the end of the show when she bought the furniture with Betty Ramsey if it wasn't for the gig Ricky got from Ralph another big debt. How many others are there.
There is a thread on here abt that very topic. We have come up with so many points where $$$$$$$ was a big issue for Lucy and why she was always in a financial pickle. :D

NOVARick
03-26-2007, 02:15 AM
Trespassing in a hospital by assuming a false identity (as a doctor).

Defrauding a game show by pretending to be an impoverished contestant.

That whole geisha thing in Japan. How did Lucy and Ethel pull off that one? Japanese women have to train for years before they're allowed to become a geisha. And they certainly have to be able to speak Japanese (not English)!

Lodee
03-26-2007, 04:23 PM
Defrauding a game show by pretending to be an impoverished contestant.


Or stealing the answers. :lol:

gidgetgrape
03-26-2007, 06:10 PM
Destruction of private property and trespassing - Lucy mowing over Betty Ramsey's tulips

NOVARick
03-26-2007, 07:48 PM
Or stealing the answers. :lol:

Oh yeah, there was that, too. It makes you wonder, with her propensity to cheat on game shows, the one opportunity when it would have been so easy -- the time a game show was sending someone over to her apartment to pose as her first husband -- she went right along with what she was supposed to do. She could have simply tipped Ricky off that someone would be coming by and would pretend to be her first husband, but she didn't.

tdr
03-28-2007, 06:17 AM
A lot of interesting things are listed in this thread which would have gotten Lucy and the gang in legal trouble. But some of them-- as far as I know anyway-- would not have been criminal but likely would have involved civil litigation.

Examples:
Plowing up Betty Ramsey's tulips. I think that would be criminal only if Betty (or someone) would be willing to state that Lucy deliberately trespassed and destroyed something valuable to the owner. Even though Betty thought that at first, it doesn't appear she would have gone through with it. And I don't know how the case would be affected considering that it was the Ramseys' mower, willingly loaned to Lucy's husband. And Lucy saying the Ramseys' lent it to her and did not instruct her in its use would carry as much weight as Betty saying Lucy deliberately ruined her garden-- that is, if Ricky, Fred, or Ethel didn't blab. But perjury might be inolved then, and that would make it a criminal case.

Damaging a box of handmade cigars in Cuba—unless the authorities would have been stacked against Lucy, I think a criminal case would have been dropped, as they were ruined when the shop owner pulled the box back from Lucy, and she in fact had not stolen them, as she was still in the shop.

I don't think false advertising in The Million Dollar Idea could be proved, so any authorities would not bother with pressing it. On second thought-- their first attempt was not fraudalent, as they fully intended to fill those orders, not knowing how many there would be or how much the salad dressing costs them to make and ship. But then, selling a manufactured brand as their own; that's obviously different, and both criminal and civil penalties would follow is they were found out.

Just one more for now-- the "grocery buying scam" someone mentioned... how was that a 'scam?' Obviously a person can buy products for someone else and can keep the money and put it on their own account. Maybe Lucy didn't care that Mr. Hickock would have to pay a uh-- wild bill-- but that should only at most end their business relationship with him, which happened anyway.

In an interesting coincidence.... the date I began this thread was the date my bank account was defrauded for more than $3000, which I found out 2 days later. Someone somehow got my debit card number (not the card) and made a lot of big charges. I signed a declaration stating I did not authorize these charges, plus a claim form, and now the money is back in my account. Fortunately even the $100 overdraft fee was credited back. My old card and number are canceled. So I haven't been feeling all that jovial toward Lucy and her schemes for the last 10 days or so ;) .

The Great One
03-29-2007, 07:31 PM
The fact that Lucy never applied for a state tax number whenever she tried to start a business is something that would eventually get her into trouble and criminal charges would soon follow.

Ireneparalegal
03-30-2007, 11:23 PM
The fact that Lucy never applied for a state tax number whenever she tried to start a business is something that would eventually get her into trouble and criminal charges would soon follow.
Exactly. you are so right.

Also, the Cuba episode, I can see that country taking advantage of the fact that an "American" posed as an employee in one of their stores and damaged goods...My God, they may HANG LUCY FOR ALL WE KNOW!:eek: That is CUBA, American laws would not apply.
I could see the employee lying abt the fact that he tore the cigar box outta her hands. "Mi no sabe." Why would he admit to something like that if Lucy could be arrested for damaging the goods?

Let's not forget the two "indians" who went to the Ricardos' apt. and Lucy and Ethel hit them on the head because the ladies freaked out after reading blood curdling indian tales...even Lucy told the two, that if they didn't mention being conked on the head, she could assure them they would get the job in the show with Ricky. ASSAULT AND BATTERY. :eek:

The Great One
03-31-2007, 10:12 PM
Exactly. you are so right.

Also, the Cuba episode, I can see that country taking advantage of the fact that an "American" posed as an employee in one of their stores and damaged goods...My God, they may HANG LUCY FOR ALL WE KNOW!:eek: That is CUBA, American laws would not apply.
I could see the employee lying abt the fact that he tore the cigar box outta her hands. "Mi no sabe." Why would he admit to something like that if Lucy could be arrested for damaging the goods?

Let's not forget the two "indians" who went to the Ricardos' apt. and Lucy and Ethel hit them on the head because the ladies freaked out after reading blood curdling indian tales...even Lucy told the two, that if they didn't mention being conked on the head, she could assure them they would get the job in the show with Ricky. ASSAULT AND BATTERY. :eek:


The more I think about all of this stuff the more I realize just how much trouble Lucy could have gotten herself into for all the things she did. They could have made the entire show all about how every week Ricky would have to go to the county jail to pay Lucy's bail. Also, why would Fred ever want someone like Lucy for a tenant. :confused: :lol:

mrs.gingerhinkley
04-01-2007, 01:01 AM
Gosh! About every episode Lucy does something that could very well put her in jail! :lol:

The Great One
04-01-2007, 06:33 PM
I wonder how Lucy's antics would have played out in the town of Mayberry
with Andy Taylor as the sheriff. :lol: :lol: :lol: It would have been funny to see Ricky try to explain to Andy the reasons for his wife's behaviour.

Ireneparalegal
05-07-2008, 09:02 PM
Let me add the pizza restaurant owner who could have been in trouble for hiring Mario the visitor to work for him although he was not legally allowed to work. On top of that, the pizza owner did not want to pay him for the two days he DID work.

The owner of the restaurant in the EQUAL RIGHTS episode. He had the ladies washing dishes although they were not employees. They were customers who did not have money. Forget the notion that is what was done back in the 50's, bottom line, you don't have people do labor for your business if they are not employees. LABOR CODE VIOLATIONS!!!!!! :lol:

Brieannas21
05-07-2008, 11:16 PM
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that in the episode New Neighbors Lucy, Ethel, Ricky and Fred all could have been charged with Attempt of Murder.

Ireneparalegal
05-07-2008, 11:27 PM
Good one Brie. That was crazy! :crazy: :lol: :eek:

What abt when Lucy tied up the girl dancer and hid her in the closet at the Tropicana while she danced the Lady in Red number? Kidnapping and false imprisonment! :eek:

Brieannas21
05-07-2008, 11:53 PM
This thread is going make me break out my DVD's and have a Lucy marathon tomorrow.

Ireneparalegal
05-08-2008, 01:04 AM
This thread is going make me break out my DVD's and have a Lucy marathon tomorrow.
:lol:

Get the pen and paper ready. ;)

Bill S.
05-08-2008, 03:24 AM
How about in "Vacation From Marriage," when Lucy throws the rock through somebody's window? I'm not sure what the exact charge for that would be...

Also, in "Too Many Crooks," Fred and Ethel are spying on Lucy from the fire escape...couldn't a neighbor have reported them for invasion of privacy, or something along those lines?

Cool thread, even though it's over a year old...:)

tdr
05-08-2008, 08:56 AM
What abt when Lucy tied up the girl dancer and hid her in the closet at the Tropicana while she danced the Lady in Red number? Kidnapping and false imprisonment! :eek:

That one was covered in the first post in this thread: "abduction."
Nice to see an old thread brought out again, when it may not have completely 'run its course' before.

One I don't think has been mentioned yet is-- I can't recall the episode, and it was one I'm sure many people actually did and got away with-- was when Lucy wanted to use the phone, which was on a party line, and she first tried yelling "Fire!" I remember the phone books used to have in their info section that failing to relinquish a party line for another party's emergency use, or falsely claiming the line is needed for such use, could be a felony.

Ireneparalegal
05-08-2008, 01:38 PM
Let's not forget Fred taking the phone cords from other apartments and making an extension. This was mentioned in the episode abt the Home Show. Ethel brought in her phone with the extra long cord and she proceeded to tell Lucy how Fred swipes the phone lines from vacated apartments. She even said to Lucy for her not to mention it to the phone company. :eek:

Ireneparalegal
05-22-2008, 08:13 PM
When Ricky spanked Lucy: Domestic Violence

Lucy pulling the brake line on the train...don't know what that may be but I am sure people can get in trouble for doing that for no reason whatsoever.

Working as a pizza maker without being legally hired.

schoolmom
05-22-2008, 08:47 PM
Right, and the more serious charges against all 4 (5, including Cousin Ernie) of them-- attempting to break her out of jail and tying up the sheriff to get away-- they got off clean. In reality they would probably have been reported to the Tennessee state police, who should have been able to nab them before they got out of the state.

How about the illegal border crossing Lucy attempted? When Lucy thought she didn't have her passport as they rode bicycles from Italy into France, she tore off a large number from a poster and tried to ride through, but the Italian guard caught her and pulled her back.



I have said for YEARS that there is NO WAY they could've made it to Hollywood
after what they did in Bentfork. My other bone of contention is this: RICKY
was the one driving. His voice should've been the ONLY one that counted
when the sheriff asks
"Guilty or not guilty?" Ricky should've been more assertive and make Lucy
"hesh up!" However, that sheriff was no angel himself. I don't think you
can REALLY arrest someone for saying "Boo!"

Ireneparalegal
05-22-2008, 08:54 PM
I have said for YEARS that there is NO WAY they could've made it to Hollywood
after what they did in Bentfork. My other bone of contention is this: RICKY
was the one driving. His voice should've been the ONLY one that counted
when the sheriff asks
"Guilty or not guilty?" Ricky should've been more assertive and make Lucy
"hesh up!" However, that sheriff was no angel himself. I don't think you
can REALLY arrest someone for saying "Boo!"
:lol: No, you can't arrest someone for saying "Boo." That was a trumped up charge if you ask me. ;)

Ricky telling Lucy to hush up??? :lol: He could've, but Lucy had her own ideas. :lol:

tdr
05-22-2008, 09:37 PM
As for being put in jail for saying "boo," was the sheriff also the judge, and actually holding court? It appears that way, even though the prosecutor, prosecution's witness, and the judge all being the same person doesn't seem legally qualified [and we can forget the Andy Griffith Show here]. But anyway, if it was a court, a judge does have the authority to warn anyone present about being disruptive and to impose a fine or jail time if they do not cooperate. It's not saying 'boo' that matters, but doing what the judge ordered one not to do. But, of course, even if court was in session, it should by then have adjourned [verdict given; penalty assessed], although that wasn't announced [nor was it announced that court was in session].

And about Ricky being charged with domestic violence/abuse for spanking Lucy.. I know today this would be easier for the victim than 50 years ago; but even now, is just saying "my husband spanked me" enough ground to have him arrested, for her to be entitled to a women's shelter, to force him to take some course that says all men are naturally violent and dominating? And if spanking was the only type of abuse she claimed, how would it be proved? Would she have to bare her red bottom for the police photograher as evidence? [i]Proof beyond any reasonable doubt would not be easy, unless the Violence Against Women Act makes it that way, contrary to other criminal law.

Ireneparalegal
05-22-2008, 09:48 PM
The episode when Ricky spanked her, he did so repeatedly, while holding over his leg. Lucy was shouting, "Ok" very loudly a few times and it was obvious she was asking for the spanking to stop. In the next scene (the next day), Lucy is seen touching her behind as if to show that the pain of being spanked remained.

As for the women's shelter comment, not all women go that recourse.

Lucy would only have to say that she feared her husband and that would be enough for the police (in this day and age) to have him arrested as well as any indication of being touched against her will. Surely the marks would be visible on her behind. He spanked her over and over and as I stated above, she obviously was still feeling it the next day. Had he hit her with same way but on her head instead, no one would question she was being abused.

Remember when the Ricardos went to renew their vows, that man was the judge, the hotel owner, the sheriff, etc. :lol:

Coffeecup
05-23-2008, 07:10 PM
The owner of the restaurant in the EQUAL RIGHTS episode. He had the ladies washing dishes although they were not employees. They were customers who did not have money. Forget the notion that is what was done back in the 50's, bottom line, you don't have people do labor for your business if they are not employees. LABOR CODE VIOLATIONS!!!!!!

That is something I wasn't aware of. Well how can you get people to pay if they don't have money with them. Other than calling the police I would think it would be ok to work it off in some way. I some ways I would rather do dishes than be called on by the police. I wouldn;t want a record or be embarrish that I forget my purse.
But on the other hand maybe one shouldn't mix patrons with employees. Maybe the patron shouldn't know what goes behind the scenes

Haunted_Armoire
05-23-2008, 10:45 PM
The owner of the restaurant in the EQUAL RIGHTS episode. He had the ladies washing dishes although they were not employees.


I can't recall the thread but this was discussed recently. :wave:

Ireneparalegal
05-26-2008, 11:11 PM
That is something I wasn't aware of. Well how can you get people to pay if they don't have money with them. Other than calling the police I would think it would be ok to work it off in some way. I some ways I would rather do dishes than be called on by the police. I wouldn;t want a record or be embarrish that I forget my purse.
But on the other hand maybe one shouldn't mix patrons with employees. Maybe the patron shouldn't know what goes behind the scenes
The same thing that could be done today could have been done back in the 50's. You get their I.D. and advise them the police would call if they did not cooperate. ;) Just like it wasn't legal to hire Lucy on the spot to make pizzas, Ethel and Lucy could not wash dishes for a restaurant. What if Lucy and/or Ethel happened to get hurt? The employer's insurance company would have a fit and most likely not pay for any injury someone gets if they were NOT LEGALLY HIRED to do work for that restaurant.

Lodee
05-28-2008, 05:46 PM
Good points Irene. Things may have been different back then, but you're right, it probably wasn't legal. Even back then.

Ireneparalegal
05-28-2008, 05:49 PM
Good points Irene. Things may have been different back then, but you're right, it probably wasn't legal. Even back then.
Thank you. ;)

Ireneparalegal
06-27-2008, 12:28 PM
What abt the women from Mars episode, where the women (and that man) could have been held liable for the hysteria caused by their stunt? We already mentioned the criminal charges there, but I can imagine a civil suit. :eek:

tdr
06-27-2008, 09:12 PM
Was Orson Wells prosecuted, or sued, for his War of the Worlds (1939) broadast that caused some hysteria? If not, and the arrangers of the "Women From Mars" stunt could be, is the difference that OW's deal was a radio play and it couldn't be proven that he and his cast intended to cause a panic, whereas the WFM deal was intended to do exactly that (for pre-movie publicity)?

Regardless, it should be criminal trespass, or something similar, to be climbing beyond public access areas at the top of the Empire State Building; as if Lucy and Ethel, afraid of heights in "Vacation From Marriage," would do that rather than admit they aren't wealthy.

Aside: in the War of the Worlds broadcast, my parents told me that in their town, a strange man who had moved there (to marry his "mail order bride") heard the broadcast and came crashing into a church service all panicky-- the people were divided between their own panic, a 'reverant' form of skepticism, and laughing their guts out at that "nut" that had come to the town of about 250 people.

Ireneparalegal
06-27-2008, 09:20 PM
I read that many people sued, whether they won their lawsuits or not, I can't confirm. But I do know that it was said at least once before the airing of that Welles' radio play that what the people were listening to was in fact just that, a play.

As you stated, what Lucy and Ethel did (for the movie) was intended to cause fear and I can imagine a lawsuit stemming from the hysteria that ensued, at least by the people on the Empire State Building who happened to be there.

I thoroughly enjoyed reading that paragraph where you mentioned the nut running into the church. :lol:

Lodee
06-28-2008, 09:07 AM
Were people just gullible back then or what? :lol: I can't imagine that happening today.Too bad they didn't have Snopes.

Haunted_Armoire
06-28-2008, 12:39 PM
Was Orson Wells prosecuted, or sued, for his War of the Worlds (1939) broadast that caused some hysteria? If not, and the arrangers of the "Women From Mars" stunt could be, is the difference that OW's deal was a radio play and it couldn't be proven that he and his cast intended to cause a panic, whereas the WFM deal was intended to do exactly that (for pre-movie publicity)?



What did people really know about outer space in 1938? So any rumblings about earth being taken over by martians, especially to elderly folks back then must have been taken very seriously. The people who did believe this were subject to horrible ridicule and those who didn't believe the story wanted government intervention so it would never happen again. I think people who believed this story are no more at fault than people today who fall for other scams. Look at the all the hysteria about the Year 2000. People actually were hoading supplies and expecting civilization to come to an end. This is really not much different than "War Of The Worlds" when you think about it. It's people being genuinely scared of things over which they have no control. Real or not. We also live in a world today where we can be duped. Think "Millie Vanillie". Or those emails people get and actually repond to "Send me millions of dollars, I live in Africa and I am a Prince". People fall prey today as easily as they did in '1938.

Lodee
06-28-2008, 07:06 PM
People fall prey today as easily as they did in '1938.

No they don't.

Haunted_Armoire
06-28-2008, 09:48 PM
Hey tdr, I just thought of a recent case of a city under total PANIC due to an advertising "joke" happened in Boston about 2 years ago. A "suspicious device" that turned out to be a simple marketing idea for a cartoon made national news as to the impact it had on the public. The whole city thought it was a message that a terrorist attack was about to hit. Until someone actually took the signs down and realized they were just P.R. materials. I guess they flashed lights or something.

Ireneparalegal
06-29-2008, 11:49 PM
Hey tdr, I just thought of a recent case of a city under total PANIC due to an advertising "joke" happened in Boston about 2 years ago. A "suspicious device" that turned out to be a simple marketing idea for a cartoon made national news as to the impact it had on the public. The whole city thought it was a message that a terrorist attack was about to hit. Until someone actually took the signs down and realized they were just P.R. materials. I guess they flashed lights or something.
Here is the story:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/302011_devices01.html

Haunted_Armoire
06-30-2008, 08:29 PM
Yes that's the one, Irene. I think with the interenet, cell phones, texting etc. etc. word spreads fast. If only we can stop people getting duped daily with telemarketers, insurance frauds, contractors leaving jobs, brides not getting their wedding pictures because the photographers take the money and run. The list is endless and it gets worse all the time. If you read a newspaper you can see it all the time. The people I feel bad for are the elderly who fall into these horrble scams! :mad:

Lodee
07-01-2008, 09:54 AM
Here is the story:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/302011_devices01.html
LOL! Not exactly the same calibur as the panic from Orson Well's War of the Worlds.

Ireneparalegal
07-01-2008, 04:54 PM
LOL! Not exactly the same calibur as the panic from Orson Well's War of the Worlds.
No definitely not the same or on the same level at least. From what I read on the Orson Welles scare, it sounds like half the country was scared to death. I seen a made-for-tv movie on this incident and it made it seem like it was beyond what would occur nowadays. Think abt it. Back then, it was all abt radios, there were no televisions, there was nothing remote to what we have nowadays.

Lodee
07-06-2008, 09:26 AM
Exactly! :)

Ireneparalegal
07-06-2008, 09:27 PM
Ok, how abt Lucy being confronted by the District attorney guy and being told she was committing a fraud regarding the raffle ticket scheme. :eek: She wasn't abt to do 10 years in prison when she could be going to Europe. :lol: