My vote = yes.

while I think it's a very attractive idea and out of all the suspects this idea is the most fun, I can't believe its true, while possible, somthing just tells me it isn't true. My question is this, if they aren't one in the same what did happen to the zodiac? not that anyone can answer this question.

P.S. is anyone as excited about the zodiac movie as I am? I can't wait for march 3rd

I vote no.....Kaczynski has/hdad nothing to loose by saying he was the Zodiac. And, why didn't they find any 'souveniers' at the cabin?

I would have to say, IMHO, they're not the same.....

March 3rd? I can't wait.....!

sorry ...march 2nd

Simply put, no.

I'd say no chance. One was a confrontational killer and the other anonymously mailed packages after traveling hundreds of miles simply to mail them far away from where he lived.

The language and style of their known writing samples doesn't match either, at least the few basic things I always look for, like placement and choice of pronouns.

Nor does Zodiac's grammar match the writing sample on the desk from the Riverside murder of Cheri Jo Bates in 1966. So I doubt he was responsible for that one.

Well, I agree with Awsi, I think the chances are slim to none that Zodiac and the Unabomber are one in the same. There has been suggestions that Zodiac is in fact Bruce D avis who was a member of the Manson family but I also doubt this for a variety of reasons. I know on AMW.com there was recently a story about how John Walsh in 1991 received a bunch of letters from someone claiming to be Zodiac. However the FBI determined that it wasnt him. I am very curious as to who Zodiac was but I think there is a good chance that Zodiac has never been caught. I have always wondered if Zodiac and the East Area Rapist are one in the same. Awsi, I dont know if you ever got the Pm I sent or not, it was pretty long, but I will talk to you more about Davis, you might find what I have to say interesting as to why I do not think it was him that was Zodiac.

The UM segment leads you to believe that Theodore "Ted" Kaczynski and the Zodiac are one in the same, but I've always felt that although anything is possible - the Zodiac killer might've been some whacked out drug affected nut of that era who eventually either overdosed or perhaps maybe even took his own life. He certainly did seem tormented beyond belief. Either scenerio would explain why his killings stopped.

As far as the movie goes, I dunno if I'm gonna see it - It looks like from the previews I saw that they have morphed the story into a psychological horror film rather than a true crime film that follows along the lines of the case. I think it will be too over the top for my tastes.

Yes DD I agree. I do think that UM overplayed the part where Zodiac mentioned Deer Lodge, Montana and then tried to intertwine it with the fact the Unabomber lived in Lincoln, Montana. Unabomber didnt move to Lincoln until I believe 1971. The Zodiac killings occurred in the mid to late 1960's so in order for the Unabomber to even be Zodiac he would have had to plan the move to Montana years before it took place. Also when some of the Zodiac killings happened I believe the Unabomber was a graduate student at the University of Michigan and wasnt even in California.

Awsi, I dont know if you ever got the Pm I sent or not, it was pretty long, but I will talk to you more about Davis, you might find what I have to say interesting as to why I do not think it was him that was Zodiac.

Whoops. I just noticed the PM. Sorry about that. I tend to fall behind on them, here and elsewhere.

I never saw anyone who looked like a viable Zodiac suspect, among the popular names. Actually that's one of my pet peeves in general, isolating people as suspects. I see that all over the place, especially on Websleuths. The odds are astronomical multiplied by beyond astronomical. IMO the energy is much better spent figuring out how to break down the most vital aspects of the case and publicize them in the proper place, not trying to be a hero by stabbing at names.

The movie looked a bit over the top to me at first as well, untill I realized that the book the movie is based on was actually written by robert graysmith

I wouldn't know if the East Area Rapist and Zodiac are one in the same, or not. I've thought about that as well because it was in the same general area where both their crimes were committed (California) but the rapes occured in the late 1970s. Zodiac was already killing in the mid to late 1960s. Could he have been a rapist as well? I think Zodiac WAS a sexual sadist but would he go from killing back to raping if he had already 'graduated' to murder? Murders were committed after in So. Cal. so it could be possible that he 'switched' and 'switched back'.....if the East Area Rapist was the Zodiac.

sorry ...march 2nd


Even better! lol

The East Area Rapist was a young guy in the late '70s, generally assigned as 18-25 in 1976. IMO he was at the low end of that range. The guy was well built but lean, with an athletic build like a gymnast. He was climbing on top of rooftops and hanging over the ledge to peer inside windows. A couple of times when he was cornered he outran the most athletic police on the force, effortlessly leaping over walls in the process.

Zodiac was described as stocky to portly, and signficantly older than EAR even though the crimes were about a decade earlier.

It was the same state and general area, and white males. Both covered their face, Zodiac at least once and EAR all the time. Otherwise, I don't see any similarities.

EAR is much more likely to be solved and caught, simply via the DNA sample, huge number of crimes, and much newer ones, the last known one in '86. I don't think there's much chance Zodiac will ever be identified. Although that was a much more fascinating case, with the Mt. Diablo aspect. The movie will probably be a boost to sites like zodiackiller.com and produce some flailing at suspect identity.

there is no way the EAR was also the Zodiac and the Unabomber wasn't Z either.

Zodiac should be a cool film because it's Fincher's work and he's brilliant. However it's too bad they decided to base it on that idiot Graysmith's book. All that jerk Graysmith ever did was exploit the deaths of those people and come up with a bunch of non-existent evidence to claim Arthur Leigh Allen as the Zodiac. His books are full of lies and contradictions and made-up "facts" Arthur Leigh Allen may have been the Zodiac but the DNA from the stamps on the envelopes didn't match. He also looks nothing like the composite photo of Z after the Stein murder. He does look very much like the Lake Berryessa "weird guy" photo that three three girls claimed was watching them. Their description could definitely be Allen especially if he was wearing a wig (Z was said to be wearing a wig along with that ridiculous costume)

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My vote = yes.

Not even possible. How many real criminal profilers have made this connection?

The Zodiac case in general and specifically Graysmith's books would be significantly more interesting and relevant if Arthur Leigh Allen had never surfaced as a suspect. Discussion of him basically ruins everything, IMO. I'm hesitant to see the movie because as SiberianKiss said I'm worried there will be too much connection to Graysmith's theories, which were heavily toward Allen.

Allen was a frump, a guy who lived in the area and wore a Zodiac watch. All the other so-called connections are flimsy to laughable. There isn't an amount I wouldn't have wagered that the DNA profile off the envelope wouldn't match Allen. Zodiackiller.com was also heavily toward Allen as the top suspect but luckily some other sites spun off and provided info that made Allen look extremely doubtful, at best.

I should have mentioned one specific criteria to exclude the Unabomber as Zodiac, based on the known writings. One subtle thing I look for is use of "who" to refer to a person or group of people, as opposed to the ghastly "that." Kaczynski was very educated and articulate, and in his Unabomber manifesto gets it right every time, perfect use of "who" and "whom." Well, I remember counting the first 20 examples then being content to stop.

Zodiac in his letters and postcards is much more erratic, about 50/50 use of "who" or "that," which is very typical. He may even have said, "I'm the one that did it," in his phone call to police after one murder. I've seen conflicting reports on his specific words in that call.

I'm talking about sentences like, "Name the person that influenced you the most." Kacyzinski would have properly used, "who influenced..."

Yes that is a very good point Awsi. Whoever wrote the Zodiac letters, if indeed it was Zodiac that wrote them would spell certain words incorrectly and use other grammar that the Unabomber would not have used. It is amazing how the west coast seems to have a higher abdunce of serial killers than other areas. It is also amazing how as far as we know Zodiac and the East Area Rapist have never been caught.

If you said yes, Zodiac/Unabomber are one in the same, you need an adjustment (I want to say you are ********). If you said no, but you take Robert Graysmith seriously, you need an adjustment/are ********.

Co-incidentally I re-watched this one the other day, there seems to be a link between the two but maybe not enough for me to say either way. Only one person we know knows for sure.

Well Graysmith has suggested countless people as Zodiac hasnt he? There was a site I found called the Zodiac/Manson connection and it was kind of a joke. They take very circumstancial things and try labeling all these people as suspects. I think there were 5 top suspects that the person that runs that site felt could be Zodiac. Arthur Allen is one of them. There are others on there but it is just a joke. I mean he suggested Bruce Davis who is currently in prison in California because some of Davis's writing is similar to Zodiac's, yet Davis has been in custody since 1970 and so I dont see how he could send some of the later Zodiac stuff from prison if in fact it was him. I dont think Davis was Zodiac, interesting theory but for a variety of reasons I do not think it was him.

Yes i am because most of my favorite actors are in it espcially chloe sevigny yay!!!:wave: