My husband and I just watched the commentary on the Psychics DVS of the Rainboy segment and were startled to hear that on the last morning of shooting as the crew was getting ready to leave town, all of the people in the crew woke that morning to find about a half an inch of water on their hotel room floors. No other rooms in the hotel were affected except for where the crew members were staying! I know a lot of people on here are skeptical about that segment but that sounded pretty amazing to me!

^ Creepy.....Also, during the segment, in the background I noticed 'water' running behind Donny like it was raining outside where he was being interviewed. Although, that could've been for the effect. I just happened to notice that.....

Are ya talking about Don Decker there?

Yeah, they are. I still have a hard time believing this story...

Also, during the segment, in the background I noticed 'water' running behind Donny like it was raining outside where he was being interviewed. Although, that could've been for the effect.

Alas, the producer for that segment admitted on the commentary that they did create that effect by running water down a plexigrass screen. Then at the end of the segment, when his raining powers had ended, they took the effect out. So they did cheat somewhat.

It is hard to believe ... but would four police officers and a priest be in on the hoax? That also seems unlikely. So I guess file this one under "unsolvable." I still think the water in the hotel rooms was creepy.

Now that's frigging scary. :eek:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77/BigTMan/957.jpg

I've heard people mention this story, and in my opinion, you must have rocks in your head if you believe this crap even for a second. Think logically, how the hell is it even remotely possible for it to rain indoors out of nowhere?? The water needs to come from a certain source, it can't just appear out of nowhere just like that. Believing this story should be one of the signs of madness, along with talking to yourself, and answering yourself.

How do you explain the water in the hotel rooms?

Leaking pipe under the ground or something.

Very entertaining case. Outrageous, but I believe it, because of the cops involved. If it just the people, I'd think it was BS.

Yes, cops are NEVER involved in scandals.

Yes, cops are NEVER involved in scandals.


:rofl: Ooh, snap!

I guess I shouldn't be so sarcastic, but it makes me think of cases like the bordello murders. Police officers are not always above being slimy. Oh, and Greg Webb, the sheriff who killed the girl with the cane. I did find it amusing hearing Robert Stack use the word "floozy" in that episode, though. Thank God they caught Webb, he was a scary individual.

For the most part, I believe that this incident didn't happen, but the thing that puts the reasonable doubt in my head (in favor of believing the story) is the testimony of the priest. What would motivate a priest to lie about this situation? Not a lot of publicity came out of the Decker case... it just doesn't make any sense.

This story doesnt make much sense, but like CRicci said, why would a priest go on TV and blatantly lie about this? I'm not sure what to believe really, but I guess its possible. Its just too weird.

Big deal, Pac Man Jones can "make it rain" too y'know.

This story doesnt make much sense, but like CRicci said, why would a priest go on TV and blatantly lie about this? I'm not sure what to believe really, but I guess its possible. Its just too weird.

One only needs to look at the numerous pedophilia and sex scandals involving priests to know that a fair number of them will lie if it suits their purposes.

I was thinking of that, but I didnt want to offend anyone so I kept my mouth shut...

Does anyone on this board possibly believe that this could have really happened? I just watched the segment for the first time on the Psychics DVD and then watched the director's commentary. The director said that he is generally a skeptic but he had a hard time not believing the witnesses to this case and there were 8 of them in all (not including Don Decker). I too am a skeptic but if this is a hoax, then it is one of the more elaborate ones that we have seen on UM with at least 9 people involved who reportedly witnessed the events in at least three different locations (the house, the restaurant and the jail). This can't possibly be true though, can it?

Does anyone on this board possibly believe that this could have really happened? I just watched the segment for the first time on the Psychics DVD and then watched the director's commentary. The director said that he is generally a skeptic but he had a hard time not believing the witnesses to this case and there were 8 of them in all (not including Don Decker). I too am a skeptic but if this is a hoax, then it is one of the more elaborate ones that we have seen on UM with at least 9 people involved who reportedly witnessed the events in at least three different locations (the house, the restaurant and the jail). This can't possibly be true though, can it?

I think the key here is that the witnesses could be perfectly genuine and that the only people with knowledge of the hoax might be Don and his immediate family. If they figured out some way to rig it so that it would appear to "rain inside" on cue, and that rain was accompanied by a very convincing Don having very convincing seizures or whatever, I could definitely see how they might dupe a few police officers and a priest (who is likely inclined to believe that someone could be under the influence of supernatural powers anyway).

Does anyone on this board possibly believe that this could have really happened? I just watched the segment for the first time on the Psychics DVD and then watched the director's commentary. The director said that he is generally a skeptic but he had a hard time not believing the witnesses to this case and there were 8 of them in all (not including Don Decker). I too am a skeptic but if this is a hoax, then it is one of the more elaborate ones that we have seen on UM with at least 9 people involved who reportedly witnessed the events in at least three different locations (the house, the restaurant and the jail). This can't possibly be true though, can it?

I view all of these type of segments with an open mind. I would imagine it would be quite difficult to rig it to rain indoors.

I view all of these type of segments with an open mind. I would imagine it would be quite difficult to rig it to rain indoors.


Like the girl who cried gold ahaha

I'm not convinced that this was a hoax at all, for a couple of reasons. One, the number of impartial eyewitnesses to the rain falling cannot be ignored. The landlord of the house surely would not have wanted to be in on the hoax, considering he was facing severe property damage. And we also have to remember that the landlord called the police, and they sent two officers to investigate. It wasn't like he specifically called two officers he knew, he called the station and they sent two officers to the scene. Highly unlikely that when the arrive, they all of a sudden agree to lie to keep the hoax going. One of the officers, IIRC, was a 40 year veteran of the force. Why would he lie? Their police chief also witnessed the events, and wanted the officers to basically deny anything they saw. Again, if this was a hoax, why would they risk their reputation (not to mention their jobs) to lie to keep a hoax going? Then after Don Decker returned to the county jail, rain began to appear there as well. So you obviously cannot say there was some sort of faulty plumbing at the home, because if that's all this was, why did rain also occur at the jail? The warden of the jail verified that he witnessed the water first hand, and couldn't explain it.

I am not one to believe in anything paranormal or supernatural, and if this stuff did happen that doesn't mean Decker was possessed, but I have a hard time believing that his was a hoax perpetuated by 3 cops (unknown to Decker and his friends), a landlord and his wife, a warden, and a priest all of whom did not know each other beforehand. This definitely happened, IMO.

ETA: Oh the irony. "Rain boy" was charged with arson recently.

http://wnep.com/2012/10/19/rainman-charged-with-arson/

I'm undecided on how "hoaxy" the RainBoy thing was, mostly because I have witnessed many supernatural events first hand, lived in a house that was haunted by something, and have had some strange esp/psychic type stuff that's happened to me and my family members.

However...... this is really reminding me of the recent case in Gary, Indiana, which I believe is a full on, complete hoax, with the aim of getting a movie deal (yep, that's in the works now) and some CGI fakery (ghost app phone images, etc) and the cops either involved out of ignorance or hoping for a paycheck when that movie deal comes through.

Gary, Indiana case:

Haunting: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2547224/EXCLUSIVE-A-portal-hell-Police-chief-priest-examined-possessed-children-haunted-Indiana-home-official-reports-saying-no-hoax.html

Ghost Adventures TV show guy buys the house: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/02/zak-bagans-buys-demonic-h_n_4713309.html

Priest who performed exorcism signs movie deal: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/07/priest-who-says-he-exorcised-demons-in-indiana-womans-terrifying-portal-to-hell-is-headed-to-hollywood/

FWIW, I read an online article about the case which raised several questions as to why they didn't photograph or attempt to call a news station to come report on the story. There was a comment from someone who claimed to be a relative to one of the witnesses, that says back in 83 to own a camcorder was very expensive and that it was very rare for someone to actually own one in that town. They also say that the local news station was small and understaffed, and that they did in fact try to call the local radio station who refused to come out to investigate. So if this is true, there was an attempt made to make the claims public before UM.

FWIW, I read an online article about the case which raised several questions as to why they didn't photograph or attempt to call a news station to come report on the story. There was a comment from someone who claimed to be a relative to one of the witnesses, that says back in 83 to own a camcorder was very expensive and that it was very rare for someone to actually own one in that town. They also say that the local news station was small and understaffed, and that they did in fact try to call the local radio station who refused to come out to investigate. So if this is true, there was an attempt made to make the claims public before UM.

Camcorders were not only expensive in those days but also very big. 1983 was also around the time VCR's first came out and they were extremely expensive. (You needed one to play back anything you would record with a camcorder). It was a few more years before the average home had VCR's.

Also interesting in that link you posted above, they mention that 7 of the 8 witnesses turned down interviews from that news station because the things that happened in that house still haunt them 30 years later.

Also interesting in that link you posted above, they mention that 7 of the 8 witnesses turned down interviews from that news station because the things that happened in that house still haunt them 30 years later.

I might be remembering or confusing this with another segment, but didn't one of the officers interviewed become emotional or close to crying when recounting the events?

I can't remember exactly when my parents first got a VCR in the 80s. I remember them getting a microwave in 1979 and it cost about $600 way back then.

Around 1983, my husband's uncle bought a video camera. It was very expensive, but I don't think they told us exactly how much it cost. They were the only people we knew who had a video camera. It was a betamax with the separate camera and giant thingie that you had to carry on your shoulder. I thought it was the battery pack but apparently it was the part that held the tape for recording. It looked a lot like this:

http://i0.wp.com/mediamemo.allthingsd.com/files/2010/06/vcr.jpg?resize=350%2C491

By 1989, I was married and had a 2nd baby on the way. We bought our first camcorder (after renting one for $50 a day for birthdays and stuff) and it cost about $1,100. It looked sorta like this, only not as fancy, weighed a ton, and a whole VHS tape fit inside the darn thing. So yep, these things were super expensive back in the 80s. Now my cell phone does it all for free! lol

http://www3.pcmag.com/media/images/248444-panasonic-omnimovie-hq.jpg

Definitely understandable that no one had a camcorder "at the ready" back in 83. Those things were huge! Not to mention expensive. And also this was during a time before the "social media driven" days, where no one even thought to pick up a camcorder to record things. That's why a lot of the UFO video evidence (and other "supernatural" sightings like Loch Ness, Big Foot, etc.) were scoffed at back then...everyone thought it was convenient for these people to have camcorders on them.

And back to "Rain Boy"...the officers both said that the water was pelting them in the face from all different directions, even from the floor up. I cannot fathom how this could either be faulty plumbing or some sort of hoax.

One of the best segments.

so let's bring this back up; I watched it for the first time in a long time today. How in the world can anyone explain this away or claim it's a hoax?

For those non-believers:

The guy made it rain in several different locations, in front of multiple unrelated groups of people, who all tell the same tale. You think he rigged the jail cell? The church? You think a priest, two cops, prison guards, a collection of clergy and pastors, family, landlords, all were in on a scam they all came up with together just to fool folks into thinking a random guy could cause water to fall when he got in a trance? Or do you think UM just made it all up?

Eerie. I don't like it. I can't even toss a possible alternative theory that is more logical that demonic possession, and that's scary.

Ahaha he got arrested for arson a few years ago! Some rain man lol

so let's bring this back up; I watched it for the first time in a long time today. How in the world can anyone explain this away or claim it's a hoax?

For those non-believers:

The guy made it rain in several different locations, in front of multiple unrelated groups of people, who all tell the same tale. You think he rigged the jail cell? The church? You think a priest, two cops, prison guards, a collection of clergy and pastors, family, landlords, all were in on a scam they all came up with together just to fool folks into thinking a random guy could cause water to fall when he got in a trance? Or do you think UM just made it all up?

Eerie. I don't like it. I can't even toss a possible alternative theory that is more logical that demonic possession, and that's scary.

The full article is available in Volume 18 Issue 1 of Skeptic Magazine.

http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20130526/News/305260327

The full article is available in Volume 18 Issue 1 of Skeptic Magazine.

http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20130526/News/305260327

It seems like that guy's big hang up is the fact that no one took pictures.

He doesn't explain how rain would have happened in not only the house where Decker was staying, but also the pizza parlor, and the jail he was staying in. Plus back in 1983, camcorders were expensive. And, if this is true, someone posted on a comment section of a website that said they were a relative of one of Decker's friends and described how small the town was and that they in fact did try and call a local radio station to come out and document what was going on but the radio station refused.

Plus, I don't know how well photographs would have shown what was actually happening.

It seems like that guy's big hang up is the fact that no one took pictures.

He doesn't explain how rain would have happened in not only the house where Decker was staying, but also the pizza parlor, and the jail he was staying in. Plus back in 1983, camcorders were expensive. And, if this is true, someone posted on a comment section of a website that said they were a relative of one of Decker's friends and described how small the town was and that they in fact did try and call a local radio station to come out and document what was going on but the radio station refused.

Plus, I don't know how well photographs would have shown what was actually happening.

That is just an overview of the article which is much lengthier.

It seems like that guy's big hang up is the fact that no one took pictures.

He doesn't explain how rain would have happened in not only the house where Decker was staying, but also the pizza parlor, and the jail he was staying in. Plus back in 1983, camcorders were expensive. And, if this is true, someone posted on a comment section of a website that said they were a relative of one of Decker's friends and described how small the town was and that they in fact did try and call a local radio station to come out and document what was going on but the radio station refused.

Plus, I don't know how well photographs would have shown what was actually happening.


Why wouldn't he walk into a small TV station lobby. They'd bring some cameras out really quick. It's all too controlled, even the jail. If I was a source of mysterious rain, I'd be gathering as many potential witnesses as I could.

Why wouldn't he walk into a small TV station lobby. They'd bring some cameras out really quick. It's all too controlled, even the jail. If I was a source of mysterious rain, I'd be gathering as many potential witnesses as I could.

He only wanted gullible ones & he found them, just like Tina Resch, Janet Hodgson etc.

unless you think Don Decker is pulling some kind of Verbal Kent/Keyzer Sose level scam, I did not get the impression he was smooth enough to pull off fooling that many different people, no matter how gullible you feel they were.

Why wouldn't he walk into a small TV station lobby. They'd bring some cameras out really quick. It's all too controlled, even the jail. If I was a source of mysterious rain, I'd be gathering as many potential witnesses as I could.

I know this isn't exactly a reliable source, but someone who was from that area made a comment on one of the articles about Decker and said that the town was small and that there was only one local radio station within driving distance at the time. They called the radio station, but they acted like they weren't interested (according to one of the relatives of Decker's friends).

the lack of video evidence doesn't mean much to me. Maybe long after the witnesses were freaked the hell out they may have thought, "hey we should have gotten this on a 1980's VCR tape!" But around the time of the events, they were more interested in getting Don exorcised. The guy went from seance to jail to priest ... there maybe just wasn't a chance to get these mystical abilities documented for posterity.

Crowd hysteria is one thing, but when you take several disparate witnesses with nothing in common and they all relate the same experience in multiple settings with an apparent simpleton who can do metaphysical tricks....well.....count me freaked out.

Crowd hysteria is one thing, but when you take several disparate witnesses with nothing in common and they all relate the same experience in multiple settings with an apparent simpleton who can do metaphysical tricks....well.....count me freaked out.

Bingo.

I'd be willing to write it off as some sort of multiple mind trickery (or a hoax) if the only people involved were people known to Decker. But those cops certainly didn't know anyone beforehand, and they testified to the same thing as the others.

the lack of video evidence doesn't mean much to me. Maybe long after the witnesses were freaked the hell out they may have thought, "hey we should have gotten this on a 1980's VCR tape!" But around the time of the events, they were more interested in getting Don exorcised. The guy went from seance to jail to priest ... there maybe just wasn't a chance to get these mystical abilities documented for posterity.

Crowd hysteria is one thing, but when you take several disparate witnesses with nothing in common and they all relate the same experience in multiple settings with an apparent simpleton who can do metaphysical tricks....well.....count me freaked out.

Doesn't this speak volumes about the people involved in this saga? God worshiping, Devil fearing, gullible individuals.

Something like this is possible if that holographic universe theory is true.

Bingo.

I'd be willing to write it off as some sort of multiple mind trickery (or a hoax) if the only people involved were people known to Decker. But those cops certainly didn't know anyone beforehand, and they testified to the same thing as the others.

Agreed.

Bingo.

I'd be willing to write it off as some sort of multiple mind trickery (or a hoax) if the only people involved were people known to Decker. But those cops certainly didn't know anyone beforehand, and they testified to the same thing as the others.

As y'all know, I am NOT a fan of the "paranormal" stories that UM covered. That being said, I cannot explain this one away. It's just too damn weird. For a lot of the reasons mentioned above.

The whole arson arrest later = irony.

Have we discussed some of these stories? This one (http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20120205/News/202050307) is leaning towards the story being true. This one (http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20130526/News/305260327) is not.

I know this is a polarizing case, as a lot of classic UM segments are. It's one of my favorite segments of all time. Still now-- I can't explain it away. I said it before in a thread earlier today-- "Homeboy can make it rain."

Read some of the comments in that first story. Several other townspeople have come forward to say that Decker has made it rain in their presence...

Rainboy seems to get a lot of crap on here, but I always felt bad for him. He was sexually abused by his grandfather and haunted by him after his death. That's enough to mess up anyone's mind.

Rainboy seems to get a lot of crap on here, but I always felt bad for him. He was sexually abused by his grandfather and haunted by him after his death. That's enough to mess up anyone's mind.

I don't remember that part, haven't seen it for years. Now I feel bad for laughing myself into a fit of frenzy earlier with @LooksLikeCRicci's comment: 'Homeboy could make it rain.' :lol: :( :(

I don't remember that part, haven't seen it for years. Now I feel bad for laughing myself into a fit of frenzy earlier with @LooksLikeCRicci's comment: 'Homeboy could make it rain.' :lol: :( :(

It's all good. I was intending for it to be funny.

I am curious as to where Don Decker is today. I did a bit of Google sleuthing and believe he's still in Pennsylvania. I don't think he's in prison, as he's not listed as an inmate...

Have we discussed some of these stories? This one (http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20120205/News/202050307) is leaning towards the story being true. This one (http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20130526/News/305260327) is not.

I know this is a polarizing case, as a lot of classic UM segments are. It's one of my favorite segments of all time. Still now-- I can't explain it away. I said it before in a thread earlier today-- "Homeboy can make it rain."

Read some of the comments in that first story. Several other townspeople have come forward to say that Decker has made it rain in their presence...

I'm highly skeptical of stories like this. But I cannot come up with any real, logical explanation for the water seemingly following Decker everywhere he went. Had it just been contained the house, I could see "ice damming" or some other natural phenomenon. But this took place, with multiple witnesses at each location, at the house, pizza parlor, and jail. I get the argument "why didn't anyone record this", but considering the date it occurred (1983), and how completely creeped out any sane person would be when witnessing these events, I can see why no one thought it was prudent to record or photograph the events. Based off of every interview I've seen, the witnesses were in total shock at the time. Understandably so.

Why would a priest lie? That's my problem...

Why would a priest lie? That's my problem...

That's a big issue, too, for me tending to believe it. There is no incentive for a priest to lie unless covering up some wrongdoing on someone's part. That's why I tend to believe the 1949 Exorcist case. Although greatly exaggerated, it was enough to work up experienced clergy for months, which an ornery kid playing pranks would not.

Why would a priest lie? That's my problem...

Well again we come down to putting people on pedestals for no logical reason just because of their job-clergy, police officer, pilot etc. When you look at what priests are believing in there is zero evidence to support it & a whole ton of evidence to prove their life revolves around a work of fiction.

A priest would have reasons to lie or delude themselves just like anybody else. After all many priests still perform exorcisms where they often using violence decide to banish 'demons' from somebody who is obviously suffering from mental illness. Priests have spent decades lying about abusing children & their seniors have covered it up or paid people off.

Quite simply a priest is looking for confirmation via signs from above-we see it often with supposedly weeping statues etc, usually they refuse to allow people in to closely inspect the item & behind walls-often because they are the ones perpetrating the fraud & like the money/publicity rolling in just like anybody else defrauding people in any other line of business, or they really just want to believe & not have somebody prove that fraud or natural conditions are causing it.

No different with this case-as pointed out the first thought of those who 'witnessed' this going on was to call for an exorcist & not a medical professional, which suggests the case is more about the personal beliefs of those involved & not evidence.

Well again we come down to putting people on pedestals for no logical reason just because of their job-clergy, police officer, pilot etc. When you look at what priests are believing in there is zero evidence to support it & a whole ton of evidence to prove their life revolves around a work of fiction.

I agree to a principle about putting people on pedestals based off of their job...however, this is a completely different circumstance, IMO. It's not like this priest was summoned to "prove" some sort of divine or sinister happening; he was called because the prison officials were freaked out about what was going on. Not going to get into a spiritual debate, but priests (at least the ones I've encountered) simply rely on faith, and are not out actively seeking people to exorcise just to support their beliefs.

A priest would have reasons to lie or delude themselves just like anybody else. After all many priests still perform exorcisms where they often using violence decide to banish 'demons' from somebody who is obviously suffering from mental illness. Priests have spent decades lying about abusing children & their seniors have covered it up or paid people off.

This I agree with. Priests can, and have lied. But from my understanding, they requested priests to come perform an exorcism on Decker at his friends house, and all of them turned it down. And the priest from the jail read from a bible...hardly what I'd call an exorcism. The priest from the jail only arrived after the warden had called him to request his help, because Decker was freaking everyone in the jail, from janitors to guards, out.

Quite simply a priest is looking for confirmation via signs from above-we see it often with supposedly weeping statues etc, usually they refuse to allow people in to closely inspect the item & behind walls-often because they are the ones perpetrating the fraud & like the money/publicity rolling in just like anybody else defrauding people in any other line of business, or they really just want to believe & not have somebody prove that fraud or natural conditions are causing it.

Why did the Catholic priests and Protestant ministers turn Decker's friends down when they called them to come help, while Decker was on his furlough?

No different with this case-as pointed out the first thought of those who 'witnessed' this going on was to call for an exorcist & not a medical professional, which suggests the case is more about the personal beliefs of those involved & not evidence.

Well, this is the order of people that they called after seeing the rain:

-The landlord who owned the house.
-The landlord called his wife, who arrives and suggests calling the police.
-An officer arrives, calls another officer to arrive.
-Decker and his friends left to go to a pizza parlor, and this is where the whole idea of "possession" came from: the parlor owner.
-The officers go to their superior, the Chief of Police, who returns to the scene with them.
-The day after, yet another police officer arrives (with the original 2), and witnesses the events.
-The third day was when the landlord called around town requesting priests to come over to perform an exorcism, all turned him down.
-Shortly after this, Decker returned to jail.

This is a completely logical order of events, IMO. The tenants called the landlord, who had no explanation, so he called his wife, and then the police. The police arrive, have no logical explanation, so they (after the suggestion by the parlor owner) reach out to clergy. Who exactly were they supposed to call? The first thought was not to call an exorcist, it was to get as many "credible" witnesses involved to prove that they were not involved in some elaborate hoax.

Just like to add, that skeptics keep pointing to ice damming as a possibility for the rain. However, for this to be true, it would have to have been one remarkable coincidence. On the same night that Decker decides to scratch religious symbols on his body, there just so happens to be heavy amounts of ice damming in the house he is staying at for his furlough from jail. Then, after the weekend at his friend's house, somehow faulty or leaky pipes at the jail he was staying (no reports of there being "rain" or "mist" prior to Decker's furlough, mind you) also occurred for a brief period of time before stopping altogether.

I can't write this one off as a natural occurrence.

Just like to add, that skeptics keep pointing to ice damming as a possibility for the rain. However, for this to be true, it would have to have been one remarkable coincidence. On the same night that Decker decides to scratch religious symbols on his body, there just so happens to be heavy amounts of ice damming in the house he is staying at for his furlough from jail. Then, after the weekend at his friend's house, somehow faulty or leaky pipes at the jail he was staying (no reports of there being "rain" or "mist" prior to Decker's furlough, mind you) also occurred for a brief period of time before stopping altogether.

I can't write this one off as a natural occurrence.

Either the priest (and everybody else) was lying (telling the same story), or it was a paranormal occurrence. No way would the water not travel according to the laws of gravity and not get the pages of the Bible wet!

Either the priest (and everybody else) was lying (telling the same story), or it was a paranormal occurrence. No way would the water not travel according to the laws of gravity and not get the pages of the Bible wet!

Not necessarily. Could be well have been mass hysteria-been happening for hundreds of years in documented cases.

Either the priest (and everybody else) was lying (telling the same story), or it was a paranormal occurrence. No way would the water not travel according to the laws of gravity and not get the pages of the Bible wet!

There's no way that multiple witnesses from 2 completely unrelated locations are going to lie. Unless there is a logical way for Decker to have faked this somehow, I can't see how this could be written off as explainable.

There's no way that multiple witnesses from 2 completely unrelated locations are going to lie. Unless there is a logical way for Decker to have faked this somehow, I can't see how this could be written off as explainable.

I keep going back to that, too. Too many credible witnesses who literally have zero relation to each other. When I'm doing closing arguments on a criminal case involving eyewitnesses, I argue this all the time: What possible motive could three or four people who do not know each other have in coming into court to testify to what they saw?

Could it be mass hysteria? Sure. But it could also be something else.

I'm currently half way through season 5 and the cases are really starting to lose steam for me. I just saw this one and its just too ridiculous to even consider taking it seriously enough to have a dialogue over it.

I hope the cases get better soon, seasons 1-4 were great but season 5 has been rather "meh" to me so far.

My opinion is that the first few seasons had a niche following of fans generally interested in mysteries. By season 5 the show was building up steam and was very popular and they seem to go more for cases to bring in ratings and viewers.

A guy fake making rain makes for better water cooler talk than a random murder mystery from the 70s.

I could be wrong, just my opinion of course.

I'm currently half way through season 5 and the cases are really starting to lose steam for me. I just saw this one and its just too ridiculous to even consider taking it seriously enough to have a dialogue over it.

I hope the cases get better soon, seasons 1-4 were great but season 5 has been rather "meh" to me so far.

My opinion is that the first few seasons had a niche following of fans generally interested in mysteries. By season 5 the show was building up steam and was very popular and they seem to go more for cases to bring in ratings and viewers.

A guy fake making rain makes for better water cooler talk than a random murder mystery from the 70s.

I could be wrong, just my opinion of course.

Are you just coming around to seeing the show? Did you not get to watch it, back in the day?

As the seasons go, it can get very hit and miss at times. But don't give up! :)

Are you just coming around to seeing the show? Did you not get to watch it, back in the day?

As the seasons go, it can get very hit and miss at times. But don't give up! :)

I watched it back in the day but I was young and only caught episodes here and there. I'm binging/marathon watching the whole series. I'm halfway through season 5 in about 2-3 weeks of watching.

Hi all...I just watched this segment on a Lifetime re-run.


Does anyone know any more about the backstory on the deceased grandfather? He was abusive, but what else was he into? I'd love to know more!

Hi all...I just watched this segment on a Lifetime re-run.


Does anyone know any more about the backstory on the deceased grandfather? He was abusive, but what else was he into? I'd love to know more!

It's on Lifetime?!

Does anyone tell me the name of the actor in the re-enactmen? The one who played Don. Looks like a young Frank Whaley.

A very abbreviated version of the story was featured on the Travel Channel's Beyond the Unknown.

Anyone found any information as to the outcome of the arson case against Decker?

I found a Donald Decker incarcerated at Fort Dix FCI with a projected release date of 2024, but his age shows as 62.. Decker was reported to be 52 back in 2012, so the math doesn't add up there.

The restaurant owner, Theodoros Kyriakopoulos, shows in BOP records as being released on March 10th, 2017, which matches with records I can find of him being sentenced to 24 months.

The irony of somebody who supposedly could manifest rain at will setting fire to a building is quite ironic.

A disfortunate 21st Century trend is the triumph of scientism over science. The widespread "belief" in science versus the ubiquitous practical application of science.

Modern science is very dogmatic. Science has clearly defined limitations, most notably the physiological limitations of homo sapiens, aka scientists. We know that certain species have greater sensual spectrums than we do. For instance, humans and most animals have 3 color receptors and the Mantis Shrimp have 12 color receptors. The myth of human supremacy is just that: a myth. To put it mildly, you wouldn't expect a dog to learn how to drive a car so don't be disappointed that humans may never fully comprehend the universe beyond their sensual spectrum and intellectual limitations.

From this perspective, we can approach the phenomena referred to as "Spiritual Attacks", which have been documented in a myriad of different human cultures over many centuries. Despite what Wikipedia would lead you to believe, these are not predominately exclusive to Christians or Christian culture. These attacks have even lead to the death of organisms, such as cattle. There tends to be a modus operandi of deception and malevolence involved in these experiences, though we can't absolutely eliminate the possibility of the "Benevolent Antagonist".

Is it demonic? Is it supra-dimensional? Is it extraterrestrial? Ultimately, the true nature may be irrelevant, as our human physiological limitations may make it's assertion unattainable. What we can somewhat ascertain is that it's way more advanced than we can fathom and it views us as an asset somehow. At best we're an alien ant farm; at worst we're an alien cattle ranch/amusement park. Our obsession with human supremacy also obfuscates any insight into the situation.

Rainboy could have been a toy/sustenance for one of these "entities". In and out of prison, etc. Then again, it could have been an elaborate hoax that spanned multiple locations and involved multiple credible witnesses. Either hypothesis requires a leap of faith with the lack of evidence.

Robert Stack said it best, "For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe, no explanation is possible."