Another fascinating and sad cold case. How can three people just disappear without a trace? Any thoughts or comments?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/mccall_stacy.html

this is another crazy one but i've talked about it way too much over on websleuths, don't want to re-hash all that again!

this is another crazy one but i've talked about it way too much over on websleuths, don't want to re-hash all that again!

I tried to read the websleuths thread but a damn psychic was hogging it and giving me a headache.

Was that you? :D

BHAHAHAHAHA!

no no I'm not Ken, I freaking hate Ken, guy is such an idiot.

I'm Enrique Sparta over there. on my first post I called out Ken and the webmaster deleted it, but just recently I called him an idiot moron psycho psychic and a kook.

:)

on my first post I called out Ken and the webmaster deleted it, but just recently I called him an idiot moron psycho psychic and a kook.

:)

Don't you mean "freaking kook".....:lol:

:lol:

LOL. You guys slay me at times.

What is that case about. sounds interesting. Psychcs?

This has got to be one of the top 2 or 3 most bizarre cases EVER!!!

They completely disappear without a trace and all their purses and keys and other valuables are left in the house so it's obviously not a burglary. It appears to be a sex crime since 2 of the girls were 18 and just graduated from high school so most likely they were abducted, raped, and killed along with with the mother.

It's amazing that they couldn't find any evidence left behind AT ALL with all the forensic technology out there. No fingerprints, hairs, DNA, footprints, etc. etc.

Unfortunately, it looks like their may be a PERFECT CRIME after all.

I'm really suprised America's Most Wanted has not profiled them since they profile missing people and go crazy when there is a missing girl somewhere. The Springfiled police should contact AMW and 48 Hours since it would be good to put in on there too.

this is another crazy one but i've talked about it way too much over on websleuths, don't want to re-hash all that again!

Can you give a brief synopsis of what happened at webslueths and what is websleuths anyway?

This has got to be one of the top 2 or 3 most bizarre cases EVER!!!

They completely disappear without a trace and all their purses and keys and other valuables are left in the house so it's obviously not a burglary. It appears to be a sex crime since 2 of the girls were 18 and just graduated from high school so most likely they were abducted, raped, and killed along with with the mother.

It's amazing that they couldn't find any evidence left behind AT ALL with all the forensic technology out there. No fingerprints, hairs, DNA, footprints, etc. etc.

Unfortunately, it looks like their may be a PERFECT CRIME after all.

I'm really suprised America's Most Wanted has not profiled them since they profile missing people and go crazy when there is a missing girl somewhere. The Springfiled police should contact AMW and 48 Hours since it would be good to put in on there too.

I came thru Sprinfiled one time and ate at that place where they were suppoed to have been. Come to think of it, this may have been on 48 hours. Cant remember much tho. Wish I knew more about it.

Can you give a brief synopsis of what happened at webslueths and what is websleuths anyway?


websleuths is a website where people talk about missing person cases and high profile crimes.

here is the springfield three thread

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8961&page=1&pp=25

I feel bad for Ken. Always a flurry of posts from him in that websleuths thread, but none in almost a month, after you called him a freaking kook.

He's probably a Gator fan.

As for Ken, what an idiot. How many times is he gonna be like "by next week this case should be wrapped up." What a nut. Interesting no posts since I called him out. He must be looking for me.

I was checking around and foun some other places that discuss this case. One is really hopping. Somethin about van color. Maybe something is going on.

Wow! It's getting really wild over at that other site. Maybe the cops will break this this case. More than one van and many colors. Even serial killers now.

There is a report that KY3 out of Springfiled is going to have a program tonight abot this case.

There is a report that KY3 out of Springfiled is going to have a program tonight abot this case.

I found it on their website:

http://www.ky3.com/news/5993786.html

"Investigator Kathee Baird wishes she could give McCall the happy ending she hopes for. Last spring, Baird says she found evidence the women are buried under a parking garage near Cox South Hospital. Psychics and tipsters kept telling Baird to look for the women in concrete.

"I went back and researched projects that were going on in and around that time and kept coming back to the parking garage on Bradford Parkway,” said Baird.

Baird provided KY3 News with video of a ground penetrating radar scan of the parking garage. The man ran the radar, Rick Norland, is a consulting engineer who worked at Ground Zero in New York City and on the Panama Canal. Norland says his machine picked up three distinct objects below the concrete.

"It’s very similar to what we see when we're over old graves," said Norland.

Baird took the video to investigators.

"We were told, on this lead, there was technology in use that had shown bodies underground,” said Springfield Police Sgt. Mike Owen.

<snip>

Acting on past tips over the years, police dug in two different places in Webster County and a place in Barry County. Until they dig in the parking garage, Baird says she won't be satisfied.

"We do know they dug in Barry County, and there was nothing there, on a tip. Did it take a year to dig? I don't think so," she said.

Police say they've spent months on this lead. They've met with the Greene County prosecuting attorney’s office and CoxHealth officials. They even got an opinion from an expert on ground penetrating radar.

"It would be impossible to see what this man claims he has seen,” said Owen.

Police say they've followed the lead as far as they can and have no plans to dig at the parking garage but Baird isn't giving up.

"The only way I think I'm going to get anything done is to go public. I've played by their rules for a long time,” said Baird.

If police don't think a dig is necessary, McCall says she agrees. She's spent the last 15 years listening to theories and tips that don't pan out. More than 100 psychics have contacted her.

“They say they're either alive or dead. Well, yeah, they're going to be one of those things,” she said.

I just watched the two videos at the bottom of that link. My compliments to the police for not wasting time digging up the garage. In a case like this you need evidence that points to a specific suspect(s) first, then search their property. There are countless examples of that, like the Lisa Marie Kimmell case. When you do it in reverse it's a wild stab, like I mentioned in another thread recently about people on message boards like webslueths who come up with homemade suspects.

I just watched the two videos at the bottom of that link. My compliments to the police for not wasting time digging up the garage. In a case like this you need evidence that points to a specific suspect(s) first, then search their property. There are countless examples of that, like the Lisa Marie Kimmell case. When you do it in reverse it's a wild stab, like I mentioned in another thread recently about people on message boards like webslueths who come up with homemade suspects.

I would be careful not to pronounce this case over. There are actual suspects that the police have specific knowledge. And the parking lot situation is far from over. I don't believe in psychics either, but there is more to the story than this; much more.

I would be careful not to pronounce this case over. There are actual suspects that the police have specific knowledge. And the parking lot situation is far from over. I don't believe in psychics either, but there is more to the story than this; much more.

I wasn't pronouncing it over. I was surprised to read a grand jury had been used at one point, with three specific individuals in mind.

But I was wildly unimpressed with the parking garage video and the questions asked by the woman pushing that idea. In the other video the law enforcement guy said his experts indicate the parking garage scanning does not show what the proponents indicate it does.

There is apparently a one year lag between the disappearance and when that parking structure was built.

I sampled the recent posts on the websleuths thread. I like the real-world perspective of the poster named miles draken. But one prominent poster over there seems mostly livid that police haven't fallen over in singleminded pursuit of a tip he provided, a sighting of a van. Last I heard the world has several vans.

The site linked to over there is basically weird. I looked at all the psychic-based drawings and decided I'd read all 700+ entries in the guestbook and not prejudge, but then the fourth entry, from November 2004, says this:

"I personally believe that God has chosen this case to showcase His power. When this case breaks, it will be because of divine intervention. I believe that this will be something that will impact the entire planet, not just Springfield, Missouri. There are millions upon millions of missing people all over the world. The question is how long is God going to allow this to continue? The people that commit these crimes haven't realized that they can't hide what they did from God. I personally believe that God has chosen this one special story to demonstrate that nothing can be hidden from Him. I have had the privilege of experiencing two visions. One of them was from the Avesta and the other one was with one of the three missing women. At this point, I am waiting for the storybook finish. I may be going off on a limb here, but I have reason to believe that this will occur sometime during the next 17 months. I'm just waiting really."

Then another, a few months later:

"On August 13th, 2004, the first of four hurricanes slammed into Florida and when they did, they numerically spelled out Mr. McCall's birthdate of 4- 2-43. Charley was a 4, Frances was a 2, Ivan was a 4, and Jeanne was a 3. This numerically spelled out 4-2-4-3 and it was a perfect match. This event started 8 years, 4 months, and 3 days after I experienced my vision from the Avesta/Koran. What is the significance of 8-4-3? Well, it was the address the McCall's lived at when Stacy disappeared. This was the theme for my eleventh letter to Robert Cox. When I recently wrote Robert, I described to him that it's possible that he could have been responsible for the hurricanes in Florida via the Butterfly Effect."

OK, I realize I shouldn't judge a website and guestbook by a few posts near the beginning, but at this point it has exceeded my expectation toward the looney, which was darn near impossible. I need a break before continuing.

I guess that was the same nut Ken with those posts I just pasted. He was posting under a slightly different name at the beginning. The posts get more relevant once it gets to the beginning of this year. The poster named Nettie Lawson asks some good questions.

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I guess that was the same nut Ken with those posts I just pasted. He was posting under a slightly different name at the beginning. The posts get more relevant once it gets to the beginning of this year. The poster named Nettie Lawson asks some good questions.

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I don't wish to disabuse you of your beliefs but there is a bit more to this story than meets the eye. And I know a good deal more than most people do about this case. I know about all the major players in this tragedy and know several facts not commonly published. Do not assume that the dig isn't being done because the police do not subscribe to the possibility that something is there. I think it is entirely possible that animal bones are located there and may (I emphasize may) have been placed there intentionally. If you have a true interest in this crime spend some time over at Alex's site and read some of the posts carefully and feel free to chime in. You may be surprised with what you will learn. And go back to the #12 post at Websleuths and read it carefully. Tell me what you see.

OK, I'll play. Here's Cursiorandcursior on February 18th, this same thread:

What is that case about. sounds interesting. Psychcs?

Now on February 23rd:

I don't wish to disabuse you of your beliefs but there is a bit more to this story than meets the eye. And I know a good deal more than most people do about this case. I know about all the major players in this tragedy and know several facts not commonly published. Do not assume that the dig isn't being done because the police do not subscribe to the possibility that something is there. I think it is entirely possible that animal bones are located there and may (I emphasize may) have been placed there intentionally. If you have a true interest in this crime spend some time over at Alex's site and read some of the posts carefully and feel free to chime in. You may be surprised with what you will learn. And go back to the #12 post at Websleuths and read it carefully. Tell me what you see.

Now that's a quick study.

I suppose you could claim you were merely fishing in your first post, to gauge interest level and knowledge. Even if true, unimpressive. And hardly the type of thing that would make me accept any so-called inside info as legit or meaningful.

I'll be very blunt. Animal-bones-in-cement-on-purpose is garbage. What possible benefit could that be? What is that, a diversionary tactic by the real abductors. Right. And then 12 or 14 years later they leak the info to throw detectives off track. When there is no track to begin with. That's precisely the reason I don't get involved with bizarre sites like that. I'd end up using the exact type language that SiberianKiss did at websleuths. And it would be understatement.

Here's what I'd learn at sites like that: internet posters thrill to embrace theories that freefall from any semblance of probability, or appropriate weight. I've already seen that over there, all the talk about grave robbers, and stuff like planting $800 in the purse so it wouldn't look like a robbery.

I don't claim to know anything about that case. There are thousands of possibilities. All I see on those threads is jumping to convenient conclusions, like who the target was. The same predictable guesswork toward specific suspects. One poster seems locked that the abductors had to leave before daybreak. What sense does that make? Everyone is pissed that their pet theory is not the one that police are running with, to the exclusion of everything else. Seems like half the posters survived an attempted abduction in the same time frame and are sure it had to be the same people. If I had to place the exaggeration meter on a wall, I'd be leaping.

The women could have been targeted on the drive away from the party, by someone who never saw them before. Then you've got every color of van described, with theories like changing from one van to another to throw off the hunt. That's where it gets so cute I have to restrain laughter. Crimes like that are very basic. Target, grab and go. The further up the conspiracy/permutation ladder you get the least likely any of it is to be true. Posters there don't seem to get that, although the guy named Richard made some astute comments in that regard.

It doesn't matter when the parking lot theory first surfaced or who proposed it. I'll say there's nothing there and have way the best of it. We've seen underground detection abnormalities like that before, turn into nothing. If it were a sophisticated science you wouldn't have such basic debate and contradiction, a matter of mere feet below the surface.

Bodies in cement in a public place is a spooky snapshot that people love to believe. It's never true. Again, just look at all the risks you are taking and how many people involved, as opposed to burying them on your property or dumping somewhere.

This case has many of the typical and mysterious rumors/variables:

* suspicious van seen driving around the neighborhood for weeks
* drug involvement by at least one of the women, leading to her murder
* pending court case, and a witness eliminated before testifying
* phone call that is cut off abruptly and never called back, but investigators think it was legit and held all the answers
* premises supposedly scrubbed clean of any incriminating evidence

I'd love to wager none of that was true. The van was not involved. The phone call was a kook who hung up. The court case was a minor charge and no one cared. Lots of people do drugs. Lots of people keep their homes abnormally clean.

OK, I'll play. Here's Cursiorandcursior on February 18th, this same thread:

Now on February 23rd:

Now that's a quick study.

I suppose you could claim you were merely fishing in your first post, to gauge interest level and knowledge. Even if true, unimpressive. And hardly the type of thing that would make me accept any so-called inside info as legit or meaningful.

I'll be very blunt. Animal-bones-in-cement-on-purpose is garbage. What possible benefit could that be? What is that, a diversionary tactic by the real abductors. Right. And then 12 or 14 years later they leak the info to throw detectives off track. When there is no track to begin with. That's precisely the reason I don't get involved with bizarre sites like that. I'd end up using the exact type language that SiberianKiss did at websleuths. And it would be understatement.

Here's what I'd learn at sites like that: internet posters thrill to embrace theories that freefall from any semblance of probability, or appropriate weight. I've already seen that over there, all the talk about grave robbers, and stuff like planting $800 in the purse so it wouldn't look like a robbery.

I don't claim to know anything about that case. There are thousands of possibilities. All I see on those threads is jumping to convenient conclusions, like who the target was. The same predictable guesswork toward specific suspects. One poster seems locked that the abductors had to leave before daybreak. What sense does that make? Everyone is pissed that their pet theory is not the one that police are running with, to the exclusion of everything else. Seems like half the posters survived an attempted abduction in the same time frame and are sure it had to be the same people. If I had to place the exaggeration meter on a wall, I'd be leaping.

The women could have been targeted on the drive away from the party, by someone who never saw them before. Then you've got every color of van described, with theories like changing from one van to another to throw off the hunt. That's where it gets so cute I have to restrain laughter. Crimes like that are very basic. Target, grab and go. The further up the conspiracy/permutation ladder you get the least likely any of it is to be true. Posters there don't seem to get that, although the guy named Richard made some astute comments in that regard.

It doesn't matter when the parking lot theory first surfaced or who proposed it. I'll say there's nothing there and have way the best of it. We've seen underground detection abnormalities like that before, turn into nothing. If it were a sophisticated science you wouldn't have such basic debate and contradiction, a matter of mere feet below the surface.

Bodies in cement in a public place is a spooky snapshot that people love to believe. It's never true. Again, just look at all the risks you are taking and how many people involved, as opposed to burying them on your property or dumping somewhere.

This case has many of the typical and mysterious rumors/variables:

* suspicious van seen driving around the neighborhood for weeks
* drug involvement by at least one of the women, leading to her murder
* pending court case, and a witness eliminated before testifying
* phone call that is cut off abruptly and never called back, but investigators think it was legit and held all the answers
* premises supposedly scrubbed clean of any incriminating evidence

I'd love to wager none of that was true. The van was not involved. The phone call was a kook who hung up. The court case was a minor charge and no one cared. Lots of people do drugs. Lots of people keep their homes abnormally clean.

You need not get upset. I made an observation of something that I have been tracking for some period of time. BTW, I am "Richard" in the event you are interested. (AKA "Missouri Mule")

You seem like a smart fellow. Join the discussion over at Alex's website. Give your input and ask questions.

I wanted to draw you out because I read your profile and you seem to like to talk about these things. So I wanted to pursue it with you.

I'll give you something to think about. There was a grave robbing and Satanism involved here. That, you won't find in the newspapers. Let's just say a "birdie" told me that who I know if quite reliable.

The reason I dwelt on the timeline so heavily is because if the van was seen at 4:30AM (according to the K.C. Star) and sunrise was scheduled at 5:53 AM, time was absolutely critical. Twilight was starting at 4:01 AM and "civic twilight" was at 5:22 when the van would have been clearly visible. The crime scene was just off Glenstone Avenue which is the main drag of Springfield. That just leaves 52 minutes to move the cars, pull the van in to the porch, enter, subdue and leave with the women. And it is further argued since some $800 was left behind in Sherrill's purse that they didn't even bother to check for cash on hand.

There was an immediate motive which was covered in the "48 hour" piece from 1992 and repeated in 1997. You can even purchase the tape through CBS productions if you are interested.

Yes, I was fishing. I happened onto this site when I was doing a google of one of the posters here who happened to PM me from Websleuths. You, I don't know. But you seem like you might be useful so I tempted you and you took the bait so to speak. If you want to use your brainpower on this join us over at Alex's place and put in your $0.02, like "Richard" (me) is doing.

Just to clear up the $800 in the purse matter. The reason I posited that theory is because at the time I didn't know who the two best detectives had keyed on. It was at the point that I learned who they believed was involved that I realized my original theory was weak and I moved onto the logical sequence of events and why I started to look closely at the timeline. I was looking to motive. With the information I learned about the detective's beliefs it became much clearer what likely took place. I don't believe the grave robbers actually did the crime. However, I do believe that some people who were associated with them did. And it very likely included drugs or someone playing with "Dungeons and Dragons" of which we know from past history has led to murder which I'm sure you were aware. In any event you can argue with me all you want to either at Websleuths or at Alex's site. I welcome you.

BTW, I don't believe there is any real doubt as to the van being involved. The questions would be were there more than one involved and what were the colors? The police didn't park that replica van in front of the SPD for almost four months for nothing.

This Case Is Drug Related And Thats Why All Three Of Them Were Killed. Period

This Case Is Drug Related And Thats Why All Three Of Them Were Killed. Period

That's not accurate.

We have been discussing the abduction of Angela Hammond on another board and I was wondering if any of you think these cases could be linked. We now have 5 woman being abduted in a years span, one from Macks Creek another from Nevada, Angela from Clinton and then the three from Springfield. These cases all seem very similar, young attractive woman taken at night and never seen again. I just think its odd we have all these abductions in southern Missouri in this time span and no one in law enforcement sees the connection.

We have been discussing the abduction of Angela Hammond on another board and I was wondering if any of you think these cases could be linked. We now have 5 woman being abduted in a years span, one from Macks Creek another from Nevada, Angela from Clinton and then the three from Springfield. These cases all seem very similar, young attractive woman taken at night and never seen again. I just think its odd we have all these abductions in southern Missouri in this time span and no one in law enforcement sees the connection.

In my view the Springfield women are not related. I am somewhat familiar with those cases but I haven't studied them in some period of time. This particular case has less than meets the eye and should have been solved many years ago. It was primarily an incompetent police investigation. They didn't follow the leads they had and it was just a horribly botched investigation.

In my view the Springfield women are not related. I am somewhat familiar with those cases but I haven't studied them in some period of time. This particular case has less than meets the eye and should have been solved many years ago. It was primarily an incompetent police investigation. They didn't follow the leads they had and it was just a horribly botched investigation.
Im inclined to agree with you about the police investigation. However I refuse to beileve the man that took Angela just stopped there and never took anyone else. If you build a profile of the man that took her and the two women before here you have what I beileve is a serial killer lurking in southern Missouri.

Im inclined to agree with you about the police investigation. However I refuse to beileve the man that took Angela just stopped there and never took anyone else. If you build a profile of the man that took her and the two women before here you have what I beileve is a serial killer lurking in southern Missouri.

Ordinarily I would agree with you, but the truth is that there were definite suspects and the case was improperly handled. The evidence does not point to a serial suspect or suspects in this particular case, although I wouldn't rule out a serial killer in other abductions and murders in that area.

Ordinarily I would agree with you, but the truth is that there were definite suspects and the case was improperly handled. The evidence does not point to a serial suspect or suspects in this particular case, although I wouldn't rule out a serial killer in other abductions and murders in that area.
Interesting, could you elaborate and give me your theory on this one? Maybe you know something I don't.

There was talk that the women were involved in drugs or dealing, thus the large amount of money found in the purse. Drug killings tend to be close mouthed and the victims are usually hard to find, I find it hard to believe that they were randomly abducted from their home, because if there was a killer, he would have killed them there. This was an orchestrated abduction by people they knew.

There was talk that the women were involved in drugs or dealing, thus the large amount of money found in the purse. Drug killings tend to be close mouthed and the victims are usually hard to find, I find it hard to believe that they were randomly abducted from their home, because if there was a killer, he would have killed them there. This was an orchestrated abduction by people they knew.
I understand what you mean when you say "if there was a killer he would have killed them there". Keep in mind though that Angela and the other woman from Nevada where both taken and never found. We could be talking about a killer that likes to take victims back to his place and keep them alive for awhile before killing them. I admit I have not looked into all the information on the Springfield three, but I must say I find it hard to beileve that we have a drug cartel in Springfield MO that makes people just disappear, also if they owed a drug dealer money why would he not take the $800 that was left behind?

Interesting, could you elaborate and give me your theory on this one? Maybe you know something I don't.

Yes, I do know. I've followed this case very closely for nearly 15 years. And the moss green van is bunk. It was dirty white. That should tell you plenty. It was drug related but not in the way you think. The suspects are known to the police and the prosecuting attorney. They have sealed the case up tight as a tick. It was not a serial killing.

Yes, I do know. I've followed this case very closely for nearly 15 years. And the moss green van is bunk. It was dirty white. That should tell you plenty. It was drug related but not in the way you think. The suspects are known to the police and the prosecuting attorney. They have sealed the case up tight as a tick. It was not a serial killing.
They have sealed the case up tight as a tick, but no charges have been brought?

They have sealed the case up tight as a tick, but no charges have been brought?

Yes. The Springfield Police Department or Prosecutor's office will not even talk about the case to the local newspaper. They will talk about any other unsolved cold case but not about this one. Anything that goes into this department about the case is like a huge black hole. Nothing ever comes back out.

I'm reasonably certain they know who the perps were but they will not talk about it. I believe I know who the perps are and where the bodies are likely buried but there is no way to find out what the SPD or prosecutor's office think. They won't talk about it. No a word.

I understand what you mean when you say "if there was a killer he would have killed them there". Keep in mind though that Angela and the other woman from Nevada where both taken and never found. We could be talking about a killer that likes to take victims back to his place and keep them alive for awhile before killing them. I admit I have not looked into all the information on the Springfield three, but I must say I find it hard to beileve that we have a drug cartel in Springfield MO that makes people just disappear, also if they owed a drug dealer money why would he not take the $800 that was left behind?Drugs related crimed doesnt take a cartel to accomplish. Missouri is the biggest meth state in the country. It is a hub for drugs coming out of Mexico into Texas up into Missouri. The theory of it being drug related is because that makes the most sense. So far the facts are few about that end of it. As far as the money goes, I think it was just not noticed. In my opinion whatever happened was very quick. Thats what makes it possible of being random. The girls could have been followed home. Those other abductions were spontaneous like that as well. The thing that I noticed is that those crimes occured in Missouri in 91-92 then just stopped. Which makes me believe the person responsible, moved out of the area or was incarcerated or is dead. I dont believe the Springfield 3 were taken like that, but it is possible. The van sightings may all be bunk for that matter, none of them are directly tied to the crime scene. Although one was reported to be parked at 4:30 down the street. Brown, Green, White are all potentially correct, but the TYPE of van is consistent. The time frame is hard to track, but on a Sunday morning there arent very many people out until after probably 8-9 a.m. The crime itself probably took a matter of 10-15 minutes maximum to get them out of the house. So that leaves a pretty wide window of time to take them somewhere else. With little evidence at the crime scene, it leaves people speculating. The best information lies in the background of the women and there isnt much being let out on that.

Drugs related crimed doesnt take a cartel to accomplish. Missouri is the biggest meth state in the country. It is a hub for drugs coming out of Mexico into Texas up into Missouri. The theory of it being drug related is because that makes the most sense. So far the facts are few about that end of it. As far as the money goes, I think it was just not noticed. In my opinion whatever happened was very quick. Thats what makes it possible of being random. The girls could have been followed home. Those other abductions were spontaneous like that as well. The thing that I noticed is that those crimes occured in Missouri in 91-92 then just stopped. Which makes me believe the person responsible, moved out of the area or was incarcerated or is dead. I dont believe the Springfield 3 were taken like that, but it is possible. The van sightings may all be bunk for that matter, none of them are directly tied to the crime scene. Although one was reported to be parked at 4:30 down the street. Brown, Green, White are all potentially correct, but the TYPE of van is consistent. The time frame is hard to track, but on a Sunday morning there arent very many people out until after probably 8-9 a.m. The crime itself probably took a matter of 10-15 minutes maximum to get them out of the house. So that leaves a pretty wide window of time to take them somewhere else. With little evidence at the crime scene, it leaves people speculating. The best information lies in the background of the women and there isnt much being let out on that.
Your right about the abcuctions stopping after 92. That was about the time that Kenneth Allen Mcduff was arrested in Kansas City. I think it is a strong possiblity he was involved in all

Your right about the abcuctions stopping after 92. That was about the time that Kenneth Allen Mcduff was arrested in Kansas City. I think it is a strong possiblity he was involved in all

I think that is unlikely. It is almost certainly related to the grave robbing charges coming up in the next week. Suzie Streeter was a prosecution witness.

Your right about the abcuctions stopping after 92. That was about the time that Kenneth Allen Mcduff was arrested in Kansas City. I think it is a strong possiblity he was involved in all I read up on that guy, he was only in KC for a couple months. I dont think that made him responsible for the women in those cases as that covered 91 and 92. There was another killer in KC at least suspected serial killer that killed prostitutes about that time. Not sure on those dates. I think Mcduff left Texas in march and was caught in May.

This case hasn't been looked at here for a while. The garage floor business is still up in the air although it is disingenuous to say they could not be buried there. They could. But I personally believe the remains are elsewhere.

I had never heard of this case before today, but from what I've read about it, it sounds to me as if there is precious little that is actually KNOWN. From everything coming from a reputable source that I was able to look at, the only things that can be said with any certainty are that the two girls were alive at least as late as 2:15AM (and probably at least 45 minutes to an hour after that, because they had to drive home), and the mother was alive at least as late as ~11:15PM. Other than that, it seems there is no hard evidence about anything until they were reported missing.

That's ashame, because I don't see how it will ever be solved, short of a confession, after all these years.

I had never heard of this case before today, but from what I've read about it, it sounds to me as if there is precious little that is actually KNOWN. From everything coming from a reputable source that I was able to look at, the only things that can be said with any certainty are that the two girls were alive at least as late as 2:15AM (and probably at least 45 minutes to an hour after that, because they had to drive home), and the mother was alive at least as late as ~11:15PM. Other than that, it seems there is no hard evidence about anything until they were reported missing.

That's ashame, because I don't see how it will ever be solved, short of a confession, after all these years.

You're essentially correct up to a point. However, there are SOME things that are known. As to the time frames, that's pretty much on target. But here is where the investigation went wrong, in my view. And I believe it is critically important. I won't go into all of the details but let me point out that the van was almost certainly not the color that the official police version said it was; namely "moss green." A dirty white van cruised the neighborhood for three weeks prior to the abductions and when the women dissappeared, so did the van. Additionally, the "moss green" van sightings were not particularly logical in that the witnesses weren't exactly credible. So the public was looking for a van that either never existed, or the wrong color van. Without any question this was a botched investigation from the very start which even the then police chief acknowledged. So much so that the very best investigator who worked the case asked to be let off the case because it was such a mess.

I'll leave it there for the time being but that's a start in understanding the case. BTW, the case was on "48 hours" (still available from CBS), AMW and Unsolved Mysteries and perhaps several other programs. What has never definitively established is the logical motive. That I can cover in future postings. I believe it is rather clear. There are three possible scenarios that I can think of. One, in particular, is the most probable.

You're essentially correct up to a point. However, there are SOME things that are known. As to the time frames, that's pretty much on target. But here is where the investigation went wrong, in my view. And I believe it is critically important. I won't go into all of the details but let me point out that the van was almost certainly not the color that the official police version said it was; namely "moss green." A dirty white van cruised the neighborhood for three weeks prior to the abductions and when the women dissappeared, so did the van. Additionally, the "moss green" van sightings were not particularly logical in that the witnesses weren't exactly credible. So the public was looking for a van that either never existed, or the wrong color van. Without any question this was a botched investigation from the very start which even the then police chief acknowledged. So much so that the very best investigator who worked the case asked to be let off the case because it was such a mess.

I'll leave it there for the time being but that's a start in understanding the case. BTW, the case was on "48 hours" (still available from CBS), AMW and Unsolved Mysteries and perhaps several other programs. What has never definitively established is the logical motive. That I can cover in future postings. I believe it is rather clear. There are three possible scenarios that I can think of. One, in particular, is the most probable.

Wht is your source for the alleged "dirty white van" that was cruising the neighborhood prior to the murder? I never found any reference to a white van anywhere on the net.

When was this case on Unsolved Mysteries? I don't remember ever seeing it.

And what hard information do you have, if any? Please, do elaborate.

I have some ideas, but it's just speculation and, without any real physical evidence, all I'm doing, in all honesty, is guessing.

Wht is your source for the alleged "dirty white van" that was cruising the neighborhood prior to the murder? I never found any reference to a white van anywhere on the net.

When was this case on Unsolved Mysteries? I don't remember ever seeing it.

And what hard information do you have, if any? Please, do elaborate.

I have some ideas, but it's just speculation and, without any real physical evidence, all I'm doing, in all honesty, is guessing.

The dirty white van was reported by both the Kansas City Star and the Springfield News-Leader as having been circling the home/neighborhood for three weeks prior to the abductions. When the women dissappeared, so did the van. This information was given to the news media by then Captain Tony Glenn of the SPD. The K.C. Star still has this information in its archives and is available for a fee. The Springfield News Leader did not archive its own news until 1999 but the hard copy is available at the Springfield City Library.

A description of the individual driving the van was also provided. The so-called "moss green" van was a concoction that came from two highly suspect witnesses after the fact. One from a woman to "scared" to come forward for several days and the second from a man who wrote the plate number down of a "suspicious" van on a newspaper which he then threw away. Both were later hypnotized to no avail. The credibility of the "moss green" van is almost patently absurd and makes one wonder why the SPD settled on this color. I do know that even today, this is a matter of some dissagreement within the department. I think it was a major foul-up by incompetent people or put in the worst possible light a deliberate cover-up by the police department. To show the extent of the incompetence, the Assistant Police Chief at the time attributed their dissappearance to "extra-terrestials." He is now gone but that was the quality of the investigation. It only got worse. This case should have been solved 15 years ago.

What has never definitively established is the logical motive. That I can cover in future postings. I believe it is rather clear. There are three possible scenarios that I can think of. One, in particular, is the most probable.

What about this "logical motive" you speak of? Sounds like you have a few ideas. And what about the scenarios you mention? What do you think are the possibilites/probabilities here?

What about this "logical motive" you speak of? Sounds like you have a few ideas. And what about the scenarios you mention? What do you think are the possibilites/probabilities here?

The most logical scenario is the connection to the grave robbing charges where Suzie was going to testify a week later. That particular case was not the reason they were abducted but tangentially it was the most likely reason. It would be my speculation that at least one of the grave robbers was almost certainly under great pressure to give up valuable information on the drug trade in the area. I believe that was the most logical scenario. The grave robbers did not carry out the abductions but someone else had great reason to want to remove Suzie and of necessity her mother as well (mothers and daughters talk) to take the heat off. The grave robbing case sort of fizzled over the following months.

A second plausible scenario would be pure robbery and/or revenge. But the $800 left behind in Sherrill's purse argues against that scenario unless it was deliberately left to send the investigation in a different directly. Quite obviously the crime scene was staged.

A third scenario but the least likely would be "Reason 'X'". I won't go into that on an open forum. However, if one has an active imagination they can probably guess what I am alluding to. That is to say, no one should be ruled out as a suspect.

The most logical scenario is the connection to the grave robbing charges where Suzie was going to testify a week later. That particular case was not the reason they were abducted but tangentially it was the most likely reason. It would be my speculation that at least one of the grave robbers was almost certainly under great pressure to give up valuable information on the drug trade in the area. I believe that was the most logical scenario. The grave robbers did not carry out the abductions but someone else had great reason to want to remove Suzie and of necessity her mother as well (mothers and daughters talk) to take the heat off. The grave robbing case sort of fizzled over the following months.

Hmmm. Explain more about this grave robbing charge and its relationship to drug trafficking. Nowhere in any of the sources I could find was it mentioned that one of these three women was scheduled to testify in a trial; you'd think that if this were the case, especially if it were to be a trial about something so gruesome and sensationalistic as graverobbing, that it would come up in almost any description of the victims and the case in general.

A second plausible scenario would be pure robbery and/or revenge. But the $800 left behind in Sherrill's purse argues against that scenario unless it was deliberately left to send the investigation in a different directly. Quite obviously the crime scene was staged.

Revenge for what?

And how do you mean the crime scene was "staged?" From what I read, the house is not the "crime scene," in that no one was harmed there. The crime scene, from what I read, is unidentified. Unless you mean to refer to the house as the scene of the kidnapping, which I guess it is, but still, how was it "staged?"

A third scenario but the least likely would be "Reason 'X'". I won't go into that on an open forum. However, if one has an active imagination they can probably guess what I am alluding to. That is to say, no one should be ruled out as a suspect.

Well, for the record, I would be surprised if the crime had nothing to do with this third reason.

Hmmm. Explain more about this grave robbing charge and its relationship to drug trafficking. Nowhere in any of the sources I could find was it mentioned that one of these three women was scheduled to testify in a trial; you'd think that if this were the case, especially if it were to be a trial about something so gruesome and sensationalistic as graverobbing, that it would come up in almost any description of the victims and the case in general.

Revenge for what?

And how do you mean the crime scene was "staged?" From what I read, the house is not the "crime scene," in that no one was harmed there. The crime scene, from what I read, is unidentified. Unless you mean to refer to the house as the scene of the kidnapping, which I guess it is, but still, how was it "staged?"

Well, for the record, I would be surprised if the crime had nothing to do with this third reason.

I'm perfectly willing to discuss this case in great detail but I will have to say that it would be helpful to know the background of the case.

1) Suzie was scheduled to testify about the grave robbing case one week after she was abducted. Related, but not the underlying reason. Provides a very strong motive. The grave robbing matter was highly publicized. You can go to the Greene County Circuit Clerk's web site and read all about it; the names of the individuals, etc. It is a public document. (Covered in the "48 hour tape)

2) There were family "issues." Provides a motive; strong but not as strong as reason 1. (Covered in the "48 hour" program)

3) It was said in the Kansas City Star that no "outsider" DNA or fingerprints were found at the scene. That should help explain "Reason 'X'". Connect the dots. Provides the least likely motive but cannot be ruled out.

If you can obtain a copy of the "48 hours" tape all of this would be helpful. It is still available through CBS television.

The fact that all three women's purses were neatly stacked on the steps to the step-down bedroom fairly well establishes that this was a staged scene. If this was a "disorganized crime" there would have been a much higher state of chaos in the home as one would have expected when three women were snatched from the home. It was well planned and expertly carried out. The grave robbers themselves did not do this. They were cleared early in the investigation. But one of them was almost certainly scared out of his wits at being sent to the "Big House" where he would have been prime flesh for the predators that stalk the prisons of today. What he knew was what prompted this crime, in my best judgment. By getting the virtually certain prison sentence out of the way, the pressure for him to talk and give up vital information about illicit operations (almost certainly drugs) would have to be considered the motivating reason for this crime. So far as I know the one most vulnerable did not serve a day in jail and he was provided a very expensive criminal attorney who got him off the hook. The other, a typical "dumpster diver" type was left to the public defender's office. He didn't give a hoot. He said openly that he was glad the "xxxxxx's" were dead. The other, by contrast, was Suzie's ex-boyfriend and was seen going to a support group to deal with the issue. Again, you can go to the circuit clerk's website and look him and the other one up. Just find the docket sheet and read their names. And then look them both up to see what if any sentences were handed down and any other offenses they may have been charged with, convicted and sentenced.

I'm perfectly willing to discuss this case in great detail but I will have to say that it would be helpful to know the background of the case.

You seem to know where the information is, and I don't...

1) Suzie was scheduled to testify about the grave robbing case one week after she was abducted. Related, but not the underlying reason. Provides a very strong motive. The grave robbing matter was highly publicized. You can go to the Greene County Circuit Clerk's web site and read all about it; the names of the individuals, etc. It is a public document. (Covered in the "48 hour tape)

The other, by contrast, was Suzie's ex-boyfriend and was seen going to a support group to deal with the issue. Again, you can go to the circuit clerk's website and look him and the other one up. Just find the docket sheet and read their names. And then look them both up to see what if any sentences were handed down and any other offenses they may have been charged with, convicted and sentenced.

It would help if you would simply give me the names of the two alleged grave robbers... or a direct link to the Greene County Circuit Court's website. Also, assume I don't have, and can't get, the 48 hours program.

I'd love to discuss this, and once I know all the facts, I will. Why are you so evasive with what you know?

I found the Greene County Circuit Court website, but without a docket number I can't do a search. Without a program date, I can't order the 48 Hours tape, even if I wanted to.

Strange, isn't it, that I can't use any of the methods you suggest to verify anything you've said?

I found the Greene County Circuit Court website, but without a docket number I can't do a search. Without a program date, I can't order the 48 Hours tape, even if I wanted to.

Strange, isn't it, that I can't use any of the methods you suggest to verify anything you've said?

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Well, thanks for the docket numbers. Each one's first "record" is more than a week after the disappearance of the three women (they vanished 6/7/92, the charges were filed 6/26/92), so there seems to be a bit of discrepancy there. Also, the only listed charge on both dockets is vandalism; if these are for graverobbing, I'm a little surprised other charges (Desecration of remains, for example) weren't filed in addition. I'll have to take your word that there is any connection at all between one of the victims and these dockets, because nothing on them indicates that there was; the first case went to probation, and, following a violation of probation, remand to custody, and the other pleaded guilty, served 14 days, was released on probation, and then also committed a violation. Neither of these dovetails with your previous account.

As for the 48 hours program, thanks for finding the specific tape. I'm not blowing $30 on it though, so if you've seen the episode or have it on tape, please relate, in detail, what it reveals.

Well, thanks for the docket numbers. Each one's first "record" is more than a week after the disappearance of the three women (they vanished 6/7/92, the charges were filed 6/26/92), so there seems to be a bit of discrepancy there. Also, the only listed charge on both dockets is vandalism; if these are for graverobbing, I'm a little surprised other charges (Desecration of remains, for example) weren't filed in addition. I'll have to take your word that there is any connection at all between one of the victims and these dockets, because nothing on them indicates that there was; the first case went to probation, and, following a violation of probation, remand to custody, and the other pleaded guilty, served 14 days, was released on probation, and then also committed a violation. Neither of these dovetails with your previous account.

As for the 48 hours program, thanks for finding the specific tape. I'm not blowing $30 on it though, so if you've seen the episode or have it on tape, please relate, in detail, what it reveals.

I beg your pardon. Suzie was scheduled to testify one week after she was abducted. I'm getting a little annoyed at your gratutious remarks. You can do your own research in the future.

If you knew the case, you would know that the grave robbers broke into crypts and set the hair of one skull on fire so they could see to steal the gold out of another skull. Additionally, there was Satanism involved as well, although that is not a criminal offense. But the felony grave robbing certainly is. I have said all along that is NOT the reason these women were abducted. What is virtually a certainty is what the grave robbers; one in particular would have offered up in order to keep out of state prison. That's the obvious motive. Who stood to benefit by shutting him up?

Sorry, I replied to this earlier, but somehow it got lost. I don't mean to be snarky, but what am I supposed to do when you give me docket numbers that lead to cases in which charges were not filed until 6/26/92, almost three full weeks after the women disappeared? How could one of them have been slated to testify at a trial the next week if charges in the case she was supposedly ready to testify during weren't even filed until 18 days after she disappeared? It's simply not possible.

The larger issue here is that you obviously know quite a bit about this case, but at every step, instead of simply explaining what you know, you've attempted to make comments that seem designed into baiting previous posters and myself into asking the next question, and the next, and the next. If you have real information, why not just come out with it? I'd be happy to discuss this case when I have all the relevant facts, but I also can't justify spending $30+shipping for a tape that might not even add to the information I have been able to locate on the internet.

Just tell us EVERYTHING you know, then we can all discuss it intelligently!

I want to apologize for my last posts. I shouldn't have been so vague. A lot of water has flowed under the bridge since I posted nearly five years ago. I would like to see this thread restarted. For what it is worth I now believe that Cox is the best suspect. He is currently in prison in Lovelady, Texas until 2025 on an unrelated charge.

I just reviewed the Charley Project for this case and was shocked to see details I'd forgotten. Namely, the dog theory, that the dog named Cinnamon was used to gain entry into the home, by pretending it had run away and the kidnappers had found it. I'm not sure of the home layout, but perhaps the people took the dog from the yard, then came to the door to use it as a ploy to gain entry and the girls looked out the window (the blinds were shown to be pushed in a manner that made it seem they'd been looking at the outside) and saw the dog and opened the door. Using a story about the dog getting away and them finding her, the assailants may have acted friendly, then pushed their way in. There were no signs of a struggle at all. If it wasn't someone who knew them well, then I think there was probably a gun to keep the women from fleeing. The porchlight was then shattered to ensure that nobody saw the events or assailants, then the women were abducted. It's so horrifying to think about and this all went on in the early morning hours, with very little evidence left behind. This case is so creepy.

If it is any consolation I believe that the identities of the perpetrators are known. However, the remains have yet to be found and there is no clear motive. The case is still active but until someone confesses, which may never happen, the solving is in limbo. The 20th anniversary of their disappearance is soon to be on us. Perhaps there will be more news released at that time.

I'd be happy to discuss this case when I have all the relevant facts, but I also can't justify spending $30+shipping for a tape that might not even add to the information I have been able to locate on the internet.

Sorry to revive such an old thread. I was thinking about the Springfield Three the other day for some reason and found the episode of 48 Hours about them on YouTube if you're still interested in watching it. I'm not sure if I can link to it here or not, but it was pretty easy to find. It does discuss the grave robbing that Cursiorandcursior mentioned.

Sorry to revive such an old thread. I was thinking about the Springfield Three the other day for some reason and found the episode of 48 Hours about them on YouTube if you're still interested in watching it. I'm not sure if I can link to it here or not, but it was pretty easy to find. It does discuss the grave robbing that Cursiorandcursior mentioned.


There is a new book about the Springfield Three out:

The Missing Three: The Story of the Missing Women from Springfield, Missouri by Dave Warren

I'll be reading it next. I drove by the house once. Seemed like a nice neighborhood although it is only a block away from a main drag. There is a school at the other end of the street. I think the serial killer from Illinois who was in to reenacting with his brother did it. I cannot remember his name.

There is a new book about the Springfield Three out:

The Missing Three: The Story of the Missing Women from Springfield, Missouri by Dave Warren

I'll be reading it next. I drove by the house once. Seemed like a nice neighborhood although it is only a block away from a main drag. There is a school at the other end of the street. I think the serial killer from Illinois who was in to reenacting with his brother did it. I cannot remember his name.
I believe his name is Larry Dewayne Hall and his brothers name is Gary Hall.

This remains a case I'm eager to see solved. Watching the Disappeared episode again, I do wonder if someone at one of the graduation parties decided to target the girls. They were apparently in the company of many people. What if one or more of the attendees followed the girls back to the Streeter home and used a ruse to gain entry? A weapon could have been used to keep the women compliant. If a perpetrator knew that only Suzie's mother would be present, not her father or brother, that may have been a motivating factor. Only people known to Suzie would know that she and her mother were alone and estranged from her older brother.

The purses being lined up together gives me the creeps. This sounds like something that may have happened during a robbery, a demand to line up and pull out valuables/cash, but I haven't seen a report of anything missing from their purses. So it doesn't sound like robbery. I've always believed this was likely a sexually motivated crime.

This case more than possibly any other has bothered me for a long time. So many questions and so little information to go off of.

Thinking Sideways did a podcast on this one. I don't know if it contains any new information, but it was a pretty good episode.

http://thinkingsidewayspodcast.com/the-springfield-three/

This is a very bizarre, baffling case. The thing that always baffled me is how did the perp(s) enter the residence? Other than the broken porch light globe to my understanding there was no sign of violence or forced entry such as a broken window or kicked in door. Either Suzie accidentally left the front door unlocked when she and Stacy arrived home and the perp(s) entered or after they had been there a period of time (makeup had been removed, clothes taken off etc) someone came to the door and one of the 3 women left the perp(s) into the residence willingly. Now who would someone willingly let into their home when it's after 2:00 AM, either someone they know and trust or someone in "authority" such as a police officer. Or someone impersonating a police officer. I personally feel it was someone who knew and targeted either Sherrill or Suzie. I feel poor Stacy was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The porchlight was then shattered to ensure that nobody saw the events or assailants, then the women were abducted. It's so horrifying to think about and this all went on in the early morning hours, with very little evidence left behind. This case is so creepy.

It was the glass case that was shattered but the lightbulb itself was intact and not broken. So if an abductor broke the case to obstruct any light from the front porch, he failed. You can't help but feel unsettled by it because it's the only physical piece of evidence at the house that something was amiss. But it's hard to figure out how and why the case was broken. Is it possible the case could have been broken accidentally while the abductor(s) were forcing the women out of the house at gunpoint?

Watching the Disappeared episode again, I do wonder if someone at one of the graduation parties decided to target the girls. They were apparently in the company of many people. What if one or more of the attendees followed the girls back to the Streeter home and used a ruse to gain entry? A weapon could have been used to keep the women compliant. If a perpetrator knew that only Suzie's mother would be present, not her father or brother, that may have been a motivating factor.

The girls original plan was to spend the night at their friend Janelle Kirby's house and then they were all going to take off for a water park the next morning. Their sleeping plans changed when they realized how overcrowded Janelle's house was because she had family members drive long distance to attend her graduation ceremony. So sleeping at Suzie's house was a last second decision.

This makes me wonder if Sherril was some sort of a target because she originally was supposed to be home alone that night and at least a full day after because of the girls trip. If some sort of a killer was following Suzie and Stacey around at the graduation parties, they wouldn't have had any luck abducting them had the girls original sleeping plan stayed in place...unless they planned to abduct a house full of Janelle's family members as well, which seems very unlikely. It would only be pure luck that the girls plans changed.

So from these facts, I can only believe Sherril was the intended target all along and the other girls happened to be walking in to a death trap completely unbeknownst to them and the abductors.

I agree that Sherrill was the intended target. The girls plans kept changing and evolving. I read or heard that originally they were going to stay in a hotel near the water park. From what I've gleaned the McCall's (Stacy's parents) didn't approve. They then went to Janelle's home. Too crowded so the then returned to Suzie and Sherrill's home.

I agree that Sherrill was the intended target. The girls plans kept changing and evolving. I read or heard that originally they were going to stay in a hotel near the water park. From what I've gleaned the McCall's (Stacy's parents) didn't approve. They then went to Janelle's home. Too crowded so the then returned to Suzie and Sherrill's home.

That's correct. Thank you for pointing that out. The original plan was actually to stay at a hotel in Branson, close to the water park, which was a 30 minute's drive away from Springfield. That got changed at 10:00 p.m. because they were having too much fun at the party and decided to leave for the water park early the next morning. When exactly they figured out that Janelle's home would be too crowded to sleep at, I can't find an exact time. But that doesn't change the fact that Sherrill was expected to be home alone for a little over 24 hours. Maybe even another day depending on how long the girls planned on staying in Branson.

This case has always baffled me because it seems so random that all three women would disappear together for any reason at all. I've seen the Disappeared episode and did find the way they presented Sherrill's son's relationship to her and her daughter somewhat odd—there was a lot of bitterness there clearly, and he had basically had nothing to do with either his mother or his sister prior to their disappearances. I don't necessarily think he had anything to do with it, but it struck me as unusual. There simply weren't any known enemies.

As far as the parking garage bit at Cox Hospital, it strikes me as *extremely* likely that they are buried there. The timing of its construction aligns with their disappearances, and the ground sonar revealing three anomalies in the shape of human bodies seems enough reason to dig up the garage—it's frankly absurd that this hasn't been done yet. I understand it's a costly endeavor, but the families of these women deserve to have them back after all these years of suffering and uncertainty. There is a petition online to excavate the garage that I'd urge anyone to sign: https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/dig-up-cox-springfield

I agree that Sherrill was the intended target. The girls plans kept changing and evolving. I read or heard that originally they were going to stay in a hotel near the water park. From what I've gleaned the McCall's (Stacy's parents) didn't approve. They then went to Janelle's home. Too crowded so the then returned to Suzie and Sherrill's home.

I agree with this. I think that Sherrill was targeted while she was home alone, but once the girls came back, the perp had to alter his plans. Sherrill may have already been in the process of being abducted when the girls came home, although it says the beds appeared to have been slept in, so that might change things.

I don't believe that one perp would set out to kidnap three women. Far too risky. If that was the plan, there had to have been an accomplice. However, I do put stock in the sighting of Suzie driving the van. The perp may have found that a less dangerous strategy than leaving them all in the back unattended.

I agree with this. I think that Sherrill was targeted while she was home alone, but once the girls came back, the perp had to alter his plans. Sherrill may have already been in the process of being abducted when the girls came home, although it says the beds appeared to have been slept in, so that might change things.

I don't believe that one perp would set out to kidnap three women. Far too risky. If that was the plan, there had to have been an accomplice. However, I do put stock in the sighting of Suzie driving the van. The perp may have found that a less dangerous strategy than leaving them all in the back unattended.

I believe Sherrill was the target mainly because she was supposed to be alone that night. But I'm still struggling over who would want to hurt her. She was a hairdresser with no known enemies. Was there a man who was possibly infatuated with her? Going through with the plan to abduct her despite two extra people now in the house shows how deeply committed he was to getting her.

I see the abduction taking place maybe an hour to a couple hours after Suzie and Stacey arrived at the house. Not only did the bed appear to be slept in but rags showed the girls had removed their makeup. A kidnapper is not going to wait for the girls to remove their makeup. And you're less likely to be seen removing three victims from a house at gunpoint at 2:00 in the morning rather than 10:00 p.m.

This past June was the 25th anniversary of the girls disappearance. Here's an interesting article on it...

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article154750499.html

'People Investigates' will air an episode about the Springfield Three on Monday, November 4th at 9:00 p.m. It will also be in this week's People Magazine feature.

https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/crime/2019/10/29/springfields-3-missing-women-case-people-magazine-tv-investigation-discovery/2496488001/

There is so much minsinformation about this case out there that I think it will be very difficult to be solved. Putting false information such as "Suzie was set to testify against her ex-boyfriend a week before her disappearance" is an outright lie. Her ex-boyfriend was arrested for the grave robbing incident in September of 1992; 2 months after the three women disappeared. The grave robbers were looked at extensively and each of them passed a polygraph. I know polygraphs are not admissible in court, but all three of them denying involvement and passing is not something that can be ignored.