I have seen some traders who maintain a list of the retail DVD movies in their collection. In other words, they list discs that I could just pickup at Blockbuster or Netflix. My question is, why? Obviously, there is a legal stumbling block here and it is relevant too, but let's look at it from a practical standpoint. Let's say I want a copy of "The Patriot". Why would I want to risk setting up a trade with someone who might rip me off, or send me a non-working garbage DVDR when it's a lot easier to rent or buy the film myself.

I can understand listing retail discs if they are rare or otherwise unobtainable. People lucky enough to have the first release of "Little Shop of Horrors", for instance, know what I'm talking about. In my view, the whole purpose of trading is to acquire things that are not or will not be issued on DVD. In fact, I typically delete titles from my list if I find they are commercially available.

I suppose it looks good to some to have a large tradelist, and perhaps retail DVDs provide padding. I honestly don't know. I think the old addage of quality over quantity applies here. If someone sends me a list of titles that looks like an inventory sheet for my local Blockbuster I probably won't be too impressed.

My two cents.

I have seen some traders who maintain a list of the retail DVD movies in their collection. In other words, they list discs that I could just pickup at Blockbuster or Netflix. My question is, why? Obviously, there is a legal stumbling block here and it is relevant too, but let's look at it from a practical standpoint. Let's say I want a copy of "The Patriot". Why would I want to risk setting up a trade with someone who might rip me off, or send me a non-working garbage DVDR when it's a lot easier to rent or buy the film myself.

I can understand listing retail discs if they are rare or otherwise unobtainable. People lucky enough to have the first release of "Little Shop of Horrors", for instance, know what I'm talking about. In my view, the whole purpose of trading is to acquire things that are not or will not be issued on DVD. In fact, I typically delete titles from my list if I find they are commercially available.

I suppose it looks good to some to have a large tradelist, and perhaps retail DVDs provide padding. I honestly don't know. I think the old addage of quality over quantity applies here. If someone sends me a list of titles that looks like an inventory sheet for my local Blockbuster I probably won't be too impressed.

My two cents.



Mainly because they don't understand the purpose of Trading. Trading is to get things you CAN't get from the store or Online but like you said to some it's a big deal to make their list look longer for the Biggest TV show Collection Award that's handed out every year-lol

i've never understood why people that don't trade retails even bother posting and/or responding to threads like this. i trade them on other sites because i prefer retails. i also trade shows that aren't or won't be released on dvd but if i can get it on retail that's what i'm gonna do. if you don't like it, don't do it. tvresearcher, how is it not trading just because i can get it from blockbuster. the 2 TRADERS are still getting something that they want.

Because a 'have list' is just basically your collection, it doesn't necessarily mean that everything on it is for trade. It's not just retail dvds, I know plenty of traders who have stuff on their list that they would never trade (because of rarity etc..), their just parts of their collection.

J

i've never understood why people that don't trade retails even bother posting and/or responding to threads like this. i trade them on other sites because i prefer retails. i also trade shows that aren't or won't be released on dvd but if i can get it on retail that's what i'm gonna do. if you don't like it, don't do it. tvresearcher, how is it not trading just because i can get it from blockbuster. the 2 TRADERS are still getting something that they want.


A Trader's List is more Appealing when it has everything on it that is not in the stores or online.

again, don't trade for retail then. discs are discs, they are still part of my have list

again, don't trade for retail then. discs are discs, they are still part of my have list


I understand, I'm just stating what I feel about retail DVD's.

A Trader's List is more Appealing when it has everything on it that is not in the stores or online.


My wallet is more Appealing when it's full also. - ( lol ).

If you saw five bucks on the floor, you wouldn't bend over and pick it up?

My wallet is more Appealing when it's full also. - ( lol ).

If you saw five bucks on the floor, you wouldn't bend over and pick it up?


Retail DVD's are just unattractive, sorry Joker

I'm just stating what I feel about retail DVD's.
No, what you stated was that people who trade retails "don't understand the purpose of trading". That's not a comment about what you feel, that's a comment about other people's limitations (as perceived by you).

No, what you stated was that people who trade retails "don't understand the purpose of trading". That's not a comment about what you feel, that's a comment about other people's limitations (as perceived by you).


Yeah You are right, I guess I just thought the primary purpose was to get things you can't from Best Buy. That's always been my purpose.

I have one list of everything I have-
and list it, as my don't need list.

So that people dont' offer me for example X-files complete becuase I invested the money into buying the set as I enjoyed the show.

Some post for that reason, to show what they no longer need

Some to show off, some to give an idea of what they like
Some becuase once they watch a retail set they get rid of it.

I have a ton of retail movies i have bought form the library here or used section of the video store, that I bought for 1.99 or less even, becuase buying was cheaper than renting for 3.49
and i list them to get rid of them once I watched them - as I would have returned a rental as well

Lots of people have different reasons

I believe the biggest reason is dollars and cents. Some sets come out on retail and have big price tags. If you like that set and want to add it to your collection, why buy it when you can trade for it. Then of course is the fact that the only home brew set available is of low quality and you now can trade for a high quality, retail set. Only problem of listing the retail is the legality issue. Example- I have about 50 dvds from the Mickey Mouse club and the wonderful world of Disney. To my knowledge only Spin and Marty has been commercially released, still I would never list them because Disney really goes after pirates.

Harvey who is setting sail for the seven seas.

Here Here

A pirates life for me, ship's a waiting for ya Harv

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My wallet is more Appealing when it's full also. - ( lol ).

If you saw five bucks on the floor, you wouldn't bend over and pick it up?

Canadian or US?

A hell ..... I'd knock the guy in front of me over to get it

First thing's first go get a dictionary and look up the word "TRADING"

A Trader's List is more Appealing when it has everything on it that is not in the stores or online.


More appealing to who?


People that have retails usually want to trade for other retails. Therefore, the value is the same to them.

Retail sure is appealing to others that have/want to trade retails.


People that have crapy vhs tapes W.O.C. want to trade for others and find that stuff to be the same value

the ones of us that prefer to trade those "Retail" would find your list very unappealing.

Both = Trading Though




I am going to trade whatever and rather have the best quality. Some shows I want will not ever be released. Therefore, I have to deal with those crappy quality ones.


The same way you feel about retails. A lot of us feel about your vhs W.O.C.

But we are not making posts about it

you do not own any rights to the shows you trade.


I agree with what joker said my wallet is much more appealing when it is full. Lol

But

I got a woman/girlfriend and she costs me too much money already. So buying all the retails I want is not an option.

Mainly because they don't understand the purpose of Trading. Trading is to get things you CAN't get from the store or Online but like you said to some it's a big deal to make their list look longer for the Biggest TV show Collection Award that's handed out every year-lol

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

The only exception might by out-of-print, rare, discontinued, recalled, or otherwise difficult-to-find retail DVDs.

At very least, keep your retail stuff on a separate list.

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

The only exception might by out-of-print, rare, discontinued, recalled, or otherwise difficult-to-find retail DVDs.

At very least, keep your retail stuff on a separate list.

I'm a tv show collecter, regardless of it's origin. My list is my collection, and I'm not going to dismiss it just because it isn't rare.

With the amount sites out there now selling custom dvd sets, most of our lists would be halved if we only listed rare stuff.

Heck, you can now pick up the complete Sgt Bilko set for less than the first season of my name is earl.

J

First thing's first go get a dictionary and look up the word "TRADING"




More appealing to who?


People that have retails usually want to trade for other retails. Therefore, the value is the same to them.

Retail sure is appealing to others that have/want to trade retails.


People that have crapy vhs tapes W.O.C. want to trade for others and find that stuff to be the same value

the ones of us that prefer to trade those "Retail" would find your list very unappealing.

Both = Trading Though




I am going to trade whatever and rather have the best quality. Some shows I want will not ever be released. Therefore, I have to deal with those crappy quality ones.


The same way you feel about retails. A lot of us feel about your vhs W.O.C.

But we are not making posts about it

you do not own any rights to the shows you trade.


I agree with what joker said my wallet is much more appealing when it is full. Lol

But

I got a woman/girlfriend and she costs me too much money already. So buying all the retails I want is not an option.

this post pretty much sums it up. i have blockbuster online getting 8 out at a time but i will never be able to rent or be able to afford to buy every single movie or tv show that i want.

I think there's a big difference between trading unavailable content, and basically screwing over studios that released what you asked for. Sure, a lot of people are going to cheat here and there, be it trading or renting/copying it yourself. But for this collecting hobby to be overtaken by people that are just being cheapskates is a sad state of affairs, indeed.

You know, on sale, including first-week releases, you can often pick up box sets for as little as $3 per DVD. You cannot really trade or rent for much less than that, and you're (1) getting a perfect quality item, complete with packaging, and (2) supporting studios so that they release more.

By trading releases, you're only hurting yourselves. There is less incentive for future releases if something does not sell.

First thing's first go get a dictionary and look up the word "TRADING"




More appealing to who?


People that have retails usually want to trade for other retails. Therefore, the value is the same to them.

Retail sure is appealing to others that have/want to trade retails.


People that have crapy vhs tapes W.O.C. want to trade for others and find that stuff to be the same value

the ones of us that prefer to trade those "Retail" would find your list very unappealing.

Both = Trading Though




I am going to trade whatever and rather have the best quality. Some shows I want will not ever be released. Therefore, I have to deal with those crappy quality ones.


The same way you feel about retails. A lot of us feel about your vhs W.O.C.

But we are not making posts about it

you do not own any rights to the shows you trade.


I agree with what joker said my wallet is much more appealing when it is full. Lol

But

I got a woman/girlfriend and she costs me too much money already. So buying all the retails I want is not an option.



It just makes trading more fun to look for stuff that you can;t find online or in the stores. Listing everything on my site that's also in Best buy kind of takes the FUN out of trading.

i will say this

as a rule, i generally do not trade for retail either
BUT sometimes i understand the desire of people who want to

FOR INSTANCE some sets are way overpriced and way huge

like the LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRARIE set, which is like 50+ discs
and each season retails for $40, so the set runs like $400 to buy

OR someone could trade for it for the cost of postage and 50 blanks

so sometimes its a question of dollars and cents :wave:

This question has come up several times. Most of the people that list retail sets stated that they are there because their list doubles as their inventory. The retail sets are not necessarily for trade. That said, anyone who lists them should keep them on a page seperate from everything else, clearly stated as Not for Trade- Inventory Only. That way, it eliminates any confusion and will help keep you out of trouble if the wrong person sees your list.

I don't get it either, if it is a show I truly want I will buy it myself, I will get the box with it too. I don't buy retail DVD's that I can watch on TV either. That seems pointless too. For the most part, the TV retail I buy are shows that don't air in my area anymore. I want to get the All in the Family DVD's, but why spend 20 dollars when TV Land shows it. I got the news program ABC Scope a few weeks ago, I was looking for that for a long long time, maybe 4 or 5 years. I was a lot happier getting that in than if I got a copy of something I can buy in the stores. Almost everything I trade there is really only one version of.

I have seen some traders who maintain a list of the retail DVD movies in their collection. In other words, they list discs that I could just pickup at Blockbuster or Netflix. My question is, why? Obviously, there is a legal stumbling block here and it is relevant too, but let's look at it from a practical standpoint. Let's say I want a copy of "The Patriot". Why would I want to risk setting up a trade with someone who might rip me off, or send me a non-working garbage DVDR when it's a lot easier to rent or buy the film myself.

I can understand listing retail discs if they are rare or otherwise unobtainable. People lucky enough to have the first release of "Little Shop of Horrors", for instance, know what I'm talking about. In my view, the whole purpose of trading is to acquire things that are not or will not be issued on DVD. In fact, I typically delete titles from my list if I find they are commercially available.

I suppose it looks good to some to have a large tradelist, and perhaps retail DVDs provide padding. I honestly don't know. I think the old addage of quality over quantity applies here. If someone sends me a list of titles that looks like an inventory sheet for my local Blockbuster I probably won't be too impressed.

My two cents.



Your argument about possibly getting ripped off is ridiculous as it imples that trading non-retail items reduces or eliminates the possibility of receiving junk. Some people prefer retail episodes over home recorded. If you think recording something off the television gives you any more rights regarding the distribution of the item or reduces any so-called legal stumbling blocks then you are delusional.

Retail DVD's are just unattractive, sorry Joker


Why are you apologizing for your opinion? I think crappy VHS quality episodes are unattractive. I won't apologize though-lol.

Why are you apologizing for your opinion? I think crappy VHS quality episodes are unattractive. I won't apologize though-lol.


Yeah and everything on DVD is just Magical.

ok folks--- for gods sake, PLEASE let us not get into the 157th rerun of the dvd vs vhs debate??? please?? just this once???? pretty please????

Don't worry Lamont, there will be no DVD vs VHS debate as Solomon failed reading comprehension. It's the only explanation because I don't believe I claimed that everything on DVD was good, or "magical" as he put it-lol.

Don't worry Lamont, there will be no DVD vs VHS debate as Solomon failed reading comprehension. It's the only explanation because I don't believe I claimed that everything on DVD was good, or "magical" as he put it-lol.

Smart move. You don't want to be caught up in Solomon's rhetoric. You can only trade retail if you have a duplicator or a burner on your computer. Without it you are stuck with the wonders of vhs. No option, no choice, that's the way it is. So to say "I don't trade retail dvds" and you and have no equipment to do so, makes very littles ense.

Harvey

The bottom line is that everybody collects different things and there is no right or wrong way of collecting. The retail-dub collectors will attract others who are into that, and not those who aren't.

For me personally, going through a list loaded with retails is no more unappealing than going through a list loaded with soap operas, or westerns, or current shows, or news broadcasts, or common sets, or low quality w/o/c black sitcoms, or...

It doesn't take very long to get to the point where most lists a person gets will be filled with things not of interest. But to complain about, or question, or debate over, what people put on their lists is pointless. Just decline and move on to the next list.

Well said. It's all a matter of perspective. Just because a person has a lenghty list, it doesn't mean they're going to attract trades from people who don't collect what they do. And it also doesn't mean that someone with a short list won't attract trades - it's all a matter of what you actually have, and what you want.

For me, a trade list that is predominantly retails is a turnoff. I lose interest very quickly in reviewing the list, and may miss something of interest because I'm just not motivated to keep looking through it. Ditto lists with lots of wrestling - not my sport, so I glaze over pretty fast.

Smart move. You don't want to be caught up in Solomon's rhetoric. You can only trade retail if you have a duplicator or a burner on your computer. Without it you are stuck with the wonders of vhs. No option, no choice, that's the way it is. So to say "I don't trade retail dvds" and you and have no equipment to do so, makes very littles ense.

Harvey


Everything on DVD is Magical

http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a9602399/mlp/BadTraders/Bandits.gif

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: party:

Quite a few lately make two lists. A list of everything they have as a bakc up and so peopel dont' offer things they have
and a list of what they trade.

Smetimes tho, there are shows I didn't know were out on retail, and its nice to see sometimes.

But if you have a list all mixed in and they DONT trade retail
then you gotta sort out what they have and what they can trade and get hyped over something they wont copy.

I see sides to all views- which is why everyone has a different way to do it, and there are so many traders -

Your argument about possibly getting ripped off is ridiculous as it imples that trading non-retail items reduces or eliminates the possibility of receiving junk. Some people prefer retail episodes over home recorded. If you think recording something off the television gives you any more rights regarding the distribution of the item or reduces any so-called legal stumbling blocks then you are delusional.

You're an idiot.

There is a risk ANY time you set up a trade. Period. My point was why go through the trouble of setting up a transaction for retail when you can get it at Blockbuster.

You can also get a lot of non retail sets from ebay, ioffer, tvdvdplanet, etc. its just as easy as ordering on amazon or anywhere else. so a lot of stuff really isnt that rare if you think about it.

Bottom Line.

It depends on the type of collector.

The majority of traders (note: I said the majority, not all) who have argued against listing retails have lists made up mainly of partial seasons and specials. This is because they prefer to collect original broadcasts, even if it means only having a small number of episodes of a show.

Collectors like me, on the other hand, prefer to get as much of a show as possible. Obviously, the rarer the better, but I'll take a high quality dvd release over a lesser quality original broadcast any day.

If I have an original broadcast set on my list, and the complete collection comes out on retail, then I'll take that set off of my list. In my eyes it's lost it's value. If I then get the retail set, then it goes back on.

J

Bottom Line.

It depends on the type of collector.

The majority of traders (note: I said the majority, not all) who have argued against listing retails have lists made up mainly of partial seasons and specials. This is because they prefer to collect original broadcasts, even if it means only having a small number of episodes of a show.

Collectors like me, on the other hand, prefer to get as much of a show as possible. Obviously, the rarer the better, but I'll take a high quality dvd release over a lesser quality original broadcast any day.

If I have an original broadcast set on my list, and the complete collection comes out on retail, then I'll take that set off of my list. In my eyes it's lost it's value. If I then get the retail set, then it goes back on.

J



Again Trading is more fun when you focus on RARE and not CRISP quality. This has nothing to do with VS, it has to do with the challenge of finding obscure shows that has never been seen in syndication vs Retail DVD that are in the stores. Crisp quality means nothing if it's a Common show IMO

Again Trading is more fun when you focus on RARE and not CRISP quality. This has nothing to do with VS, it has to do with the challenge of finding obscure shows that has never been seen in syndication vs Retail DVD that are in the stores. Crisp quality means nothing if it's a Common show IMO

Trading is more fun when you focus on RARE and not crisp quality.

Crisp quality means nothing if it's a common show.

Are these facts or just thoughts from ther fertile mind of Solomon?

And if you can get that RARE show on a vhs tape with w/o/c, all the better.

Harvey

well it all depends on what someone likes
a lot of the "rare" shows on tvresearchers want list, might be rare, but 99% of the readers of the boards have no interest in them at all

some shows might be common today, and next year are not seen again--- a few years ago LOU GRANT and SHERIFF LOBO aired on cable, but now-- noone seems to have a good quality set and they are rare again

some people like to collect shows they like--- so a "common" sitcom like BERNIE MAC that is not released on dvd (except ssn 1) would be a GREAT FIND for someone who likes the show

to ME, id love to find some shows that i want for me--- like AKA PABLO, noone else would want it, but i would

we should give the same respect to someone who REALLY REALLY wants the full run of LITTLE HOUSE, but cannot afford $300 to add it to his collection, so he wants to trade for a rip instead

sometimes it is not how rare a show is, but how much someone likes it that matters

:rolleyes: who cares anyway its not like we're trying to sell druges or anything!

Trading is more fun when you focus on RARE and not crisp quality.

Crisp quality means nothing if it's a common show.

Are these facts or just thoughts from ther fertile mind of Solomon?

And if you can get that RARE show on a vhs tape with w/o/c, all the better.

Harvey


if I can find the Out of the Blue ep when Mork makes a guest appearance the commercials wouldn't be needed. They would just make it better

well it all depends on what someone likes
a lot of the "rare" shows on tvresearchers want list, might be rare, but 99% of the readers of the boards have no interest in them at all

some shows might be common today, and next year are not seen again--- a few years ago LOU GRANT and SHERIFF LOBO aired on cable, but now-- noone seems to have a good quality set and they are rare again

some people like to collect shows they like--- so a "common" sitcom like BERNIE MAC that is not released on dvd (except ssn 1) would be a GREAT FIND for someone who likes the show

to ME, id love to find some shows that i want for me--- like AKA PABLO, noone else would want it, but i would

we should give the same respect to someone who REALLY REALLY wants the full run of LITTLE HOUSE, but cannot afford $300 to add it to his collection, so he wants to trade for a rip instead

sometimes it is not how rare a show is, but how much someone likes it that matters


Well I guess that's true to because I never seen anyone on any Board looking for the shows on my want list

if I can find the Out of the Blue ep when Mork makes a guest appearance the commercials wouldn't be needed. They would just make it better

Best of luck. I'm surte everyone is pouring over their collections to see if they can locate it.

Harvey

Best of luck. I'm surte everyone is pouring over their collections to see if they can locate it.

Harvey


I Hope so-lol

Again Trading is more fun when you focus on RARE and not CRISP quality.

That's a matter of opinion, not all trades are for nostalgia purposes, that's why custom sets of modern shows are being created all the time.

J

I know plenty of traders who have stuff on their list that they would never trade (because of rarity etc..), their just parts of their collection.

What?? Are they playing Monopoly, or trading? It's because something IS rare that it should be shared (especially with dvdrs being so cheap). Keeping it "rare" is counterproductive (what happens when that rare copy goes kaput for some reason), and just not cricket for the rest of us. When I finally get a rare dvd/cd, I make copies for everyone I know so noone has to "suffer" what I went thru.

You're an idiot. There is a risk ANY time you set up a trade. Period. My point was why go through the trouble of setting up a transaction for retail when you can get it at Blockbuster.

This reply to Digitalmonkey was uncalled for - at face value your original post does imply that a retail-dvdtrade was riskier. I understood the gist of what you meant, but another interpretation is possible and he aint an idiot.

You're an idiot.

There is a risk ANY time you set up a trade. Period. My point was why go through the trouble of setting up a transaction for retail when you can get it at Blockbuster.


LMAO

1. Blockbuster has a charge they refer to as a rental fee.

2. Some people actually enjoy the trading aspect of trading.

3. Why go through the trouble of setting up a transaction for any series when someone is selling it either on ebay or i0ffer?

4. Calling me an idiot only reinforces the belief that you're talking out of your ass.

LMAO

1. Blockbuster has a charge they refer to as a rental fee.


Most person to person snail mail trades have a "shipping fee" last time I checked. Blockbuster is not the only way to get retails.


2. Some people actually enjoy the trading aspect of trading.


I can't think of anything more lame then setting up a snail mail trade with someone for a DVDR transfer of a retail of "American Pie" and getting stiffed.


4. Calling me an idiot only reinforces the belief that you're talking out of your ass.

Coming from a guy who has a large list of retails, including Disney, on his website. Impressive. Truly impressive.

Do you have ANYTHING worthwhile that is not a ten-minute drive away?

Most person to person snail mail trades have a "shipping fee" last time I checked. Blockbuster is not the only way to get retails.



I can't think of anything more lame then setting up a snail mail trade with someone for a DVDR transfer of a retail of "American Pie" and getting stiffed.



Coming from a guy who has a large list of retails, including Disney, on his website. Impressive. Truly impressive.

Do you have ANYTHING worthwhile that is not a ten-minute drive away?


:boxing: :boxing: :boxing:

Sometimes these undercard bouts are better than the Headliners.

Most person to person snail mail trades have a "shipping fee" last time I checked. Blockbuster is not the only way to get retails.



I can't think of anything more lame then setting up a snail mail trade with someone for a DVDR transfer of a retail of "American Pie" and getting stiffed.



Coming from a guy who has a large list of retails, including Disney, on his website. Impressive. Truly impressive.

Do you have ANYTHING worthwhile that is not a ten-minute drive away?


as some one else said, you can buy a lot of the sets that most of us have on ioffer or ebay, but do you do it? no, you're still a trader. now why is that? in the end it is waaayyyy cheaper to trade than to buy. and as for calling someone an idiot, is that really called for? don't say anything behind a computer that you wouldn't be willing to say to their face tough guy.


and tvresearcher, i think it's silly to want a tv show with commercials, wether it's the original commercials or not. i fast forward through them now the way it is. but that is what you prefer as a TRADER. knock yourself out. it doesn't effect me one way or another what you prefer to trade for but you don't see people on here knocking on that crap do you?

:boxing: :boxing: :boxing:

Sometimes these undercard bouts are better than the Headliners.

I know my apologies my last few bouts have been 1st round KO's but really Mr. Napier you can't fault me for the weak contenders in the Heavywieght class.

One day we when the trainers let you loose we will have to have a go. Never had to go 12 rounds yet, I think that one could go to score cards. Nevertheless I do look forward to seing you back in the ring soon. Watching your pro fights and ring savy is a spectical to behold.

I know my apologies my last few bouts have been 1st round KO's but really Mr. Napier you can't fault me for the weak contenders in the Heavywieght class.

One day we when the trainers let you loose we will have to have a go. Never had to go 12 rounds yet, I think that one could go to score cards. Nevertheless I do look forward to seing you back in the ring soon.


Oh no Lexx, you have a big re-match on the horizon with the flag waving marine. patriot:

I am sure his camp will come a calling very soon. I know that last bout ended in a split decision - but what can you do? You were fighting on enemy soil and the judges were ... well you know. Now if the powers that be, allow us to hold a PPV event here in your own back yard, I'm sure it will be a smashing success. You just gotta believe kid, you just gotta believe!

Don King eat your heart out.

The Joker
(promoter extraordinaire)


http://www.newsvine.com/_vine/images/ap/nws/NJME11001291755.jpg

:boxing: :boxing: :boxing:

Sometimes these undercard bouts are better than the Headliners.

Let's get ready to rumble. In the blue corner, weighing in at a trim and ready 375 lbs, fighting out of Death Valley Calif,

Harvey King, with out the Afro.

Some people, are stuck on top of a hill, with 11 other guys defending there Country in foreign lands. They have no way of running to Netflix or blockbuster. They enjoy receiving the newer movies they can't get or go and see, to pass away the limited free time.

There is always a reason for it, because it doesn't appeal to you theres a problem with it? If you see it on a list ignore it. If it has been released or has not been released, technically it still wrong.

I for one have old buddies I was with, in those other countries, and I will continue to send whatever they want on me. It is always nice for them to see a complete list to choose from. Thanks and God Bless

Michael

Another thing to consider about the occasional retails-

i for one, more than ten times I can think of, have wanted a movie- specifically Vincent Price, or older crime and horror-
And blockbuster had it edited
Or Netflix had it "on my cue for short wait"

Suncoast ordered it, and it never came
Our library had it, but someone never returned it.

Sometimes, if I see something retail it is just easier to see if someone else is done with it and wants to exchange.

As I said a bunch of people have different reasons for listing their collection the way they do.
Some stamp collectors put their stamps on display some put them in a safety deposit box.

I don't think anyone needs to argue or insult how someone does their list, because there is no right or wrong way.
Everyone is different--

Sometimes I see items I know I can get elsewhere, but if i am already doing a trade, it can just be quicker, more convienient, or cheaper lets be honest.

To each his own, if someone doesn't like my list- its ok.
Just as if I don't like theirs, we all trade in different ways, that is what makes this hobby so interesting.

I know that last bout ended in a split decision - but what can you do? You were fighting on enemy soil and the judges were ... well you know. Now if the powers that be, allow us to hold a PPV event here in your own back yard, I'm sure it will be a smashing success. You just gotta believe kid, you just gotta believe!

Don King eat your heart out.

The Joker
(promoter extraordinaire)


http://www.newsvine.com/_vine/images/ap/nws/NJME11001291755.jpg

See DM now that is Jokeresque (perfect subtle baiting)

Okay J I'll run with it but only because you asked so politely.......




Joker... you are kidding right ... a split decision?!?!?

What bout were you watching? The corner threw in the towel, the ref called the fight and then he dragged his butt off the canvass to try another swing. Thank god for Monty stepping in to prevent things from getting really ugly. I didn't even need my cut man Harv for this one.

Most person to person snail mail trades have a "shipping fee" last time I checked. Blockbuster is not the only way to get retails.



I can't think of anything more lame then setting up a snail mail trade with someone for a DVDR transfer of a retail of "American Pie" and getting stiffed.



Coming from a guy who has a large list of retails, including Disney, on his website. Impressive. Truly impressive.

Do you have ANYTHING worthwhile that is not a ten-minute drive away?



Yes, because so many 1 for 1 deals involving a movie such as American Pie take place.

And yes, I do have some items that are more than I drive away. Do you have anything I can't record myself or purchse without leaving the house?

I can't think of anything more lame than going out of your way to criticize someone's DVD list. Your self-esteem must be lower than once considered possible if you have to resort to questioning one's trading practices to make yourself feel better.

Here's a scenario for you. Maybe you can get someone to help you with the big words.

Person A has Rome Season 1
Person B has The Sopranos Season 1

Person B would like to have Rome Season 1
Person A would like to have The Sopranos Season 1

Person A sees that The Sopranos Season 1 costs $89.99
Person B sees that Rome Season 1 costs $109.99

Both Person A and Person B can't afford to spend that much money on a few DVDs.

Through the magic of the internet they meet and are able to arrange a trade.

So for the price of a few blank discs, postage, and a little time invested they are able to acquire the discs they want. The cost is nowhere near what it would cost to buy the set and is also lower than what it would cost to rent the series at the local Blockbuster.

:lol: ok ok ok , both of you go to time out

:lol: :lol: :lol:

seriously, we dont need to have people bickering over whose lists lacks what
all of us start someplace and build up

lets just remember we didnt all start off with 20,000 discs here!

If someone has something I desire and it's from retail, all the better. I know the quality will be good and if I pick it up from blockbuster or netflix, most likely it's copy protected and now I have to spend a hour or more copying each disk, if there is a good amount of shrinkage involved. I'm all for letting the other guy do the work. It's not like the vhs crap where quality will suffer with each burn. My copy will be as good as the original with less work involved. I wish there was more stuff available from retail that I like. Perfect examples are the Sgt. Preston and Hopalong Cassidy sets by Critic's choice. No way any home brew set could equal the quality. You mean I should refuse to trade for it because somewhere someone has it commercially.

I don't have much commercial stuff on my list as my desires, are somewhat narrow in scope and not much has been commercially released. If meet McGraw, Front Page Detective, Rocky King or Martin Kane were released commercially, I would give anything to trade for it.

It's like going to a diner, some like chops, some fish and some chicken. What's better? You make the choice.

Lamont is right, it's a trivial thing to argue about, some have much retail on their lists, some have less and some have none. Trade with whoever you want, no reason to make a big fuss over it.

Harvey

, if there is a good amount of shrinkage involved. I'm all for letting the other guy do the work.

You can say that again, let someone else deal with the shrinkage:lol:

:lol: ok ok ok , both of you go to time out

:lol: :lol: :lol:

seriously, we dont need to have people bickering over whose lists lacks what
all of us start someplace and build up

lets just remember we didnt all start off with 20,000 discs here!


Is that how many discs you have now?-lol

You can say that again, let someone else deal with the shrinkage:lol:

As I get older you can't believe what my wife says about shrinkage. Oops, that's off topic.

Harvey

and tvresearcher, i think it's silly to want a tv show with commercials, wether it's the original commercials or not. i fast forward through them now
Personally, I like the commercials. Nostalgia and all that. The promos for the news add a sense of history. To each his own I guess.

i didnt think u traded fox news rules? glad to see that you do, maybe u can post your have/want list or a link to your listing and maybe u can scrounge up some traders---
ps to be honest i dont care on commercials one way or the other--sometimes the old ones can be cute, but anything 1980 and up is just annoying

i didnt think u traded fox news rules? glad to see that you do, maybe u can post your have/want list or a link to your listing and maybe u can scrounge up some traders---
ps to be honest i dont care on commercials one way or the other--sometimes the old ones can be cute, but anything 1980 and up is just annoying
Here and there, mostly sports, boxing. I'm on a trading hiatus, but I do enjoy reading and discussing it.

Personally, I like the commercials. Nostalgia and all that. The promos for the news add a sense of history. To each his own I guess.

Same here. I recently started leaving commercials in all my recordings. Might not be fun to watch now, but I'll probably regret cutting out commercials years from now. Besides, when you leave them in, you can always go back in the future and cut stuff out if you change your mind. But if you cut them out now, and change your mind later, its too late. Just my way of thinking. ;)

Well as usual I'm the last to respond! Most of retails sets (rips) I have are just conversions of old (amateur sets) sets that really weren't that good. A good example is Brisco County Jr.,Start Trek series, MacGyver, LaFemme Nakita, or just series I wanted but were way to expensive.

It is strange though that some people that I've traded rips with are bashing people who do have rips (LS). Can we say hypocrite? LS and I have gone round and round about this.

I do find it hard to trade with people who really only have rips. The big problem is that they have done a bad job ripping so you get a crappy disc or set.

It is stupid to list retail sets on a website! Now, that is just asking for trouble!!!!!

And yes, I do have some items that are more than I drive away. Do you have anything I can't record myself or purchse without leaving the house?

Actually, I do.


I can't think of anything more lame than going out of your way to criticize someone's DVD list. Your self-esteem must be lower than once considered possible if you have to resort to questioning one's trading practices to make yourself feel better.

Ouch! I must have struck a nerve with this guy for him to bring up self esteem issues. Are grammar, punctuation, and spelling insults coming next? LOL.


Here's a scenario for you. Maybe you can get someone to help you with the big words.

Again, you've hurt my feelings.

**SNIP retail piracy scenario**

If everyone had your atitude, what incentive would the studios have to continue releasing sets of your favorite shows? Piracy is piracy. As traders, we're all guilty of it to some extent. However, trading boots of retail just ain't cool, and dare I say it is people who indulge in such activities that give traders at large a bad name. Support the studios so they will continue releasing your favorite movies/shows.

I'm sure Disney will have a lot of sympathy for you if they ever find your page. Better start saving for that attorney now.

Personally, I like the commercials. Nostalgia and all that. The promos for the news add a sense of history. To each his own I guess.


I like commericals, but they have put so many reat comemrical sets out, grouping them by genre or generation i tend to like sitting down and watching them liek that, thenin the middle of a show.

maybe i have a low attention span hehe.

BUT i'll tell you this, commericals don't bother me a TENTH as much as these stupid things floating at the bottom of the screen of new shows lately- like showing you whats ocming next, and what station your watching and so on

off topic on this particular thread, but the comment made me think of it.

Actually, I do.



Ouch! I must have struck a nerve with this guy for him to bring up self esteem issues. Are grammar, punctuation, and spelling insults coming next? LOL.



Again, you've hurt my feelings.

**SNIP retail piracy scenario**

If everyone had your atitude, what incentive would the studios have to continue releasing sets of your favorite shows? Piracy is piracy. As traders, we're all guilty of it to some extent. However, trading boots of retail just ain't cool, and dare I say it is people who indulge in such activities that give traders at large a bad name. Support the studios so they will continue releasing your favorite movies/shows.

I'm sure Disney will have a lot of sympathy for you if they ever find your page. Better start saving for that attorney now.



:lol: How funny it is that you believe it is any less illegal to record a TV show off the television and trade or sell it. I'm sure the networks, production companies and advertisers are very pleased.

Are you trying to suggest that Disney would have a problem with my listing one of their retails, but they would be okay if I had recorded one of their shows of my TV? :lol: Funny stuff!

You don't like my list, don't look at it; simple!

ok i think its fair to say we have all read enough of the back and forth bickering between these 2
perhaps u can stop it now? or at least go to direct emails to continue the shoving match?

I'm sure Disney will have a lot of sympathy for you if they ever find your page. Better start saving for that attorney now.


while I agree that legalities are an occurance and situation no one would like to encounter, I am sure we have all at some point, ventured into the danger area- and a comment as above, can not only come across hostile but threatening to some.

It also can lead to quite a long heated debate over legalities of retail vs recording-
Which has been discussed quite a bit, and I will see if I can find the link if anyone is curious about some facts that were discussed- as it was an interesting read.

However, This thread, wasn't about this- its gone rather off topic- and getting to the point I think defensivness is being portrayed more than discussion.

Breather anyone?

One also needs to be reminded that the networks only started giving a damn about releasing shows after the amateur sets started becoming so plentiful. Also the overall expense of releasing a show went down dramatically when everyone started going to DVD.

I'm very embarassed to say that I was quite resistant to the idea of going to DVD in 1998.

:lol: How funny it is that you believe it is any less illegal to record a TV show off the television and trade or sell it. I'm sure the networks, production companies and advertisers are very pleased.

Are you trying to suggest that Disney would have a problem with my listing one of their retails, but they would be okay if I had recorded one of their shows of my TV? :lol: Funny stuff!

You don't like my list, don't look at it; simple!

I must say this, Disney is bad news and do go after you. I have over 50 dvds from Mickey Mouse club and the wonderful World of Disney, Hardy Boy serials, Hans Brinker, Toby Tyler, Saga of andy Burnett and while the only one in my collection that to my knowledge is retail being Spin & Marty, not the new adventures of Spin & Marty or the further adventures of Spin & Marty, I would never list them in fear. In fact at one time a former, active trader of this boar, female by the way turned our Savage in to the F.B.I. for having Disney on her list. Word to the wise, keep Disney off your list., otherwise anything else is fair game.

Harvey

I must say this, Disney is bad news and do go after you. I have over 50 dvds from Mickey Mouse club and the wonderful World of Disney, Hardy Boy serials, Hans Brinker, Toby Tyler, Saga of andy Burnett and while the only one in my collection that to my knowledge is retail being Spin & Marty, not the new adventures of Spin & Marty or the further adventures of Spin & Marty, I would never list them in fear. In fact at one time a former, active trader of this boar, female by the way turned our Savage in to the F.B.I. for having Disney on her list. Word to the wise, keep Disney off your list., otherwise anything else is fair game.

Harvey

this is absdolutely true

the person who turned a fellow collector in was

another fine member of that elite group

cps

enough said

Well I don't really like me noted in a post about that, but.. as long as its on the table-
I got a crash course from several legal firms, as well as VERO over what this member did.



There have been incidients on and off the boards that have led to a member turning another one in- Sometimes its the selling sites, sometimes its due to adult materials being passed along.
Sometimes, I really think it was just greed, or even spite.
I used to think if you don't turn a profit, most companies don't care- Not true.

As always know your traders.
And use some caution with your lists-
In example HERE you are not allowed to list retail dvds.
Does this mean, if you list all the Disney stuff you copied in the 80's, they won't catch wind of it and say something- Absolutely not.

All it comes down to is if your copy prohibits, costs them, impacts what they deem a sale could be.
Loosely put.

And for the users whom have said "we are trading drugs for petes sake, it isn't like this is diamonds" and so on.
If they take an interest in you, it isn't becuase they are comparing it to other crimes and saying they are just as bad- all they care about is your taking their work, or their money, or their time-

Trading, Torrenting, Downloading, and so on have launched and in the last poll supposedly had removed about 17 billion dollars a year from the multi media industry.
I haven't heard about a 17 billion dollar diamond or drug bust lately.

It adds up.

Know your traders, be aware, read up, and be intelligent about trading. It can be a lot of fun- but it can potentially be a lot of headaches if you take it too far, try to profit by more than just shows, and if you upset the wrong people.