View Full Version : *** Clarifying on LAMONT'S ANGELS ****
Lamont 09-27-2006, 10:12 AM ok this started as a tongue in cheek/sarcastic comment
but people have been asking "IS THIS PERSON" one of lamont's angels?
or THAT PERSON
and some EVEN THOUGHT it was meant as a compliment!!! that i had 3 ladies who helped me trade!!!!
so to clarify
1. LAMONT'S ANGELS are NOT helpers to me, and are NOT assistants--- it is a humorous name given to 3 BAD and BANNED traders who all happen to be female
i cannot name them here as that would only cause the moderators and TJ to get hit with 1000 emails over and over and over, obsessively complaining and crying--- BUTTT I can tell u this
the 3 are from, Loudon, TN -- Aiken, SC, and Chicago, IL --- refer to the bad trader list if u want to pinpoint the obvious--- all 3 are STILL active and out there, so watch out!
2. LAMONT'S ANGELS are refered to as such, sarcastically--- a take off on Charlies Angels, except these 3 are not all jiggly and cute and bubbly, and do not solve crimes
I refer to them as such, because when I named names as examples, some of them (or one) would get upset and complain to the higher ups (despite the fact that they are all banned, and in theory, should not be even reading the board or the posts!) ----
so that's the story, if anyone needs clarification please email me DIRECT so that this doesnt turn into 1 of those ugly, long rambling threads that sometimes happen
my ONLY point in posting this is to stop all the rumors about who is or isn't (which is quite silly that some take it that serious!)
thanks
lilhave 09-27-2006, 11:12 AM ok this started as a tongue in cheek/sarcastic comment
but people have been asking "IS THIS PERSON" one of lamont's angels?
or THAT PERSON
and some EVEN THOUGHT it was meant as a compliment!!! that i had 3 ladies who helped me trade!!!!
so to clarify
1. LAMONT'S ANGELS are NOT helpers to me, and are NOT assistants--- it is a humorous name given to 3 BAD and BANNED traders who all happen to be female
i cannot name them here as that would only cause the moderators and TJ to get hit with 1000 emails over and over and over, obsessively complaining and crying--- BUTTT I can tell u this
the 3 are from, Loudon, TN -- Aiken, SC, and Chicago, IL --- refer to the bad trader list if u want to pinpoint the obvious--- all 3 are STILL active and out there, so watch out!
2. LAMONT'S ANGELS are refered to as such, sarcastically--- a take off on Charlies Angels, except these 3 are not all jiggly and cute and bubbly, and do not solve crimes
I refer to them as such, because when I named names as examples, some of them (or one) would get upset and complain to the higher ups (despite the fact that they are all banned, and in theory, should not be even reading the board or the posts!) ----
so that's the story, if anyone needs clarification please email me DIRECT so that this doesnt turn into 1 of those ugly, long rambling threads that sometimes happen
thanks
Wow! I think you did it. The one from Chicago will set a record for emails today, hitting for at least 100.
Beware community, stay off line. I feel sorry for Savage, coming home to thousands of emails. "look, look they are talking about me" Duh, Duh, your not supposed to be on line.
Harvey
digitalmonkey 09-27-2006, 03:37 PM Does anyone remember that Steve Perry hit back in the 80's? It was Oh....Oh...something....I think it was a name. Anyone?
Peanutbutter 09-27-2006, 04:46 PM I don't know if I'm walking into a joke or something, but the song was "Oh Sherry"
lilhave 09-27-2006, 05:24 PM I don't know if I'm walking into a joke or something, but the song was "Oh Sherry"
Was that spelled with a y or a ie? The emails now look like a Jerry Lewis telethon. You know how he would go to the board ask for a new count. Poor Savage, her computer will go up in smoke.
Harvey
Peanutbutter 09-27-2006, 06:02 PM Was that spelled with a y or a ie? The emails now look like a Jerry Lewis telethon. You know how he would go to the board ask for a new count. Poor Savage, her computer will go up in smoke.
Harvey
Don't know.
Did a quick check on Google and they have it both ways
RedWhine56 09-27-2006, 07:31 PM OTOH, being one of Harvey's Angels (Savage, Jasimon & moi!) is a very good thing. :ladiesman
:triplets
RedWhine56 09-27-2006, 07:33 PM I don't know if I'm walking into a joke or something, but the song was "Oh Sherry"
Ruh, roh.
:eek:
Lamont 09-27-2006, 07:37 PM Harvey gets all the luck
:ladiesman
Lamont gets all the sheep!
:sheep :sheep
lilhave 09-27-2006, 07:40 PM OTOH, being one of Harvey's Angels (Savage, Jasimon & moi!) is a very good thing. :ladiesman
:triplets
I got big plans for my Angels, which include the "big dipper" and lining up the stars.
Who's ready to fly to the moon.?
Harvey the "king of the universe"
lilhave 09-27-2006, 07:42 PM Harvey gets all the luck
:ladiesman
Lamont gets all the sheep!
:sheep :sheep
What more can a man want in life. Plenty of disks and plenty of women. Nothing gets better then this.
A very satisfied Harvey
savageamusement 09-27-2006, 08:30 PM Never a dull moment.
OKay its clarified- can we get on with trading now?
Anyhow does that mean Lamont has his angels and Harvey has his lil devils?
I never did look good in wings anyhow.
(looking at scalp)
Says 333
I must only be half evil imagine that
lilhave 09-28-2006, 08:55 AM Never a dull moment.
OKay its clarified- can we get on with trading now?
Anyhow does that mean Lamont has his angels and Harvey has his lil devils?
I never did look good in wings anyhow.
(looking at scalp)
Says 333
I must only be half evil imagine that
My lil devil's are different then Lamont's angel's. We are involved in undercover operations, some on the cover, depending on the weather and if the air conditioner is on or off. Since starting the lil devil's I have had 5 open heart surgeries, 9 balloons, 2 pumps and 14 stents but I'm happy.
Beats getting hit by a truck.
Don't need any recruits.
Harvey-AKA The big devil
jasimon1 09-28-2006, 10:03 AM This is what I picture us in :)
http://www.halloweenmart.com/wecs.php?store=halloweenmar&action=display&target=IN1026
lilhave 09-28-2006, 10:13 AM This is what I picture us in :)
http://www.halloweenmart.com/wecs.php?store=halloweenmar&action=display&target=IN1026
If that's you, I turning off the computer and flying out. Now this is what you call heaven.
As they say in the Motel 6 commercials, "keep the light on". And to think Lamont prefers sheep. What a dope!
Harvey
RedWhine56 09-28-2006, 10:23 AM This is what I picture us in :)
http://www.halloweenmart.com/wecs.php?store=halloweenmar&action=display&target=IN1026
Alas, mine is at the dry cleaners...:(
savageamusement 09-28-2006, 10:51 AM Devil or Angel, hmmm what to wear what to wear
Nope gotta go with Devil still
OKay I found a place that has a trio of costumes- for the group photo-
I just don't know if Harveys Doctor will approve
jasimon1 09-28-2006, 10:56 AM I call the outfit on the right.
lilhave 09-28-2006, 11:25 AM Alas, mine is at the dry cleaners...:(
Don't worry about it, red body paint will do fine.
Just got a call from Lamont questioning if they make the suits in extra large sheep sizes, with large openings to get the hooves thru.?
Can anyone help?
Harvey
Beavis 09-29-2006, 03:12 PM The Offical Mascot for Lamont's Angels -
aka The Bad Trader Bandit!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a9602399/mlp/BadTraders/Bandits.gif
I herein propose, any bad trader alerts? Just post this pic..so without naming names??? you simply post this pic... any viewer will get the hint...
or if it happens again (usually does)...post this pic, and type in.. Strikes Again! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Lamont 09-29-2006, 03:20 PM beavis that is most hilarious
im sure that all 3 of the LAMONT'S ANGELS
are screaming over that one
especially the one in Chicago who screams the loudest over anything
Beavis is the new official mascot designed for lamont!
Beavis 09-29-2006, 03:23 PM beavis that is most hilarious
im sure that all 3 of the LAMONT'S ANGELS
are screaming over that one
especially the one in Chicago who screams the loudest over anything
Beavis is the new official mascot designed for lamont!
LAMONT I LOVE IT! It is SOOO Subtle, but accurate..and NON defamatory since no one is using names...and it applies to ANY scammer or bad trader...o rpossible ALERTS IN PROGRESS BEWARE type of stuff.. :lol: :lol: :p
Plus, this helps Savage.. When posting Alerts, Scams, or anyone of us included... Say JOHN DOE posted a HAVE list?....if T-Greg, did some investigating? :lol: T-Greg would post this pic, quoting the Scammer or topic thread... :lol: :lol: :lol: (I used T-Greg, because he's the P.I. of Sitcoms for us. ;)
Beavis 09-29-2006, 03:25 PM beavis that is most hilarious
im sure that all 3 of the LAMONT'S ANGELS
are screaming over that one
especially the one in Chicago who screams the loudest over anything
Beavis is the new official mascot designed for lamont!
Lamont, save this PIC and USE it whenever you have to make a point... No words, or arguments... just post this pic...FOLKS WILL get the message ! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Lex Luthor 09-29-2006, 03:26 PM beavis that is most hilarious
im sure that all 3 of the LAMONT'S ANGELS
are screaming over that one
especially the one in Chicago who screams the loudest over anything
Beavis is the new official mascot designed for lamont!
Do you really love to see Savage get 80 emails a day when you keep bringing her up. I have my own pic for this
http://www.tedmichener.com/images/deadhorse.jpg
DEAD HORSE STOP BEATING IT!
Beavis 09-29-2006, 03:28 PM http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a9602399/mlp/BadTraders/Bandits.gif
" I did ship them out.. I did... oh, you got some bad discs? Well they were fine when I shipped them...." What? I never said that.. oh, uh, it's in the mail... "
"...No, YOU send first...YOU send first... Okay, let's ship at the SAME time... what? it must have got lost in the mail...let me check...let me give you some FAKE DC# to track it down, while I buy some time...or change my address from Savage...."
"..Of course the set is complete, all 126 Episodes... What? You received duplicate Eps, and the set is missing varous episodes as well? Impossible, my set is complete, so, I don't know what you're talking about....but I checked and they're all there when I shipped... I won't re-ship them until I get YOUR stuff..." "...that's NOT what we agreed on.. YOU said..., no, no, YOU said, that I..."
:lol: :lol: :wave: :wave: :lol: :lol:
lilhave 09-29-2006, 03:30 PM Lamont is extremely jealous. While his Angels scrape the bottom of the barrel when it comes to ethics and morality, my lil devil's were all featured dancers at the international famous, hootchie kootchie club. Now who has the aces?
Harvey-who has all the cards
lilhave 09-29-2006, 03:35 PM The only hope, prayer, possible salvation for Savage is that a sudden, freak tornado hits Chicago and all power is lost, otherwise a few hundred emails of "why are they talking about me" Stop reading scammer.
Harvey
Beavis 09-29-2006, 03:37 PM The only hope, prayer, possible salvation for Savage is that a sudden, freak tornado hits Chicago and all power is lost, otherwise a few hundred emails of "why are they talking about me" Stop reading scammer.
Harvey
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: that would be paranoia...no names have been used...but I like the Red dresses through... ;)
jasimon1 09-29-2006, 04:34 PM beavis that is most hilarious
im sure that all 3 of the LAMONT'S ANGELS
are screaming over that one
especially the one in Chicago who screams the loudest over anything
Beavis is the new official mascot designed for lamont!
I wasn't thinking for a second and thought you were talking about me in Chicago! Sorry, got which group I fell into confused :)
Lamont 09-29-2006, 04:34 PM Do you really love to see Savage get 80 emails a day when you keep bringing her up. I have my own pic for this
http://www.tedmichener.com/images/deadhorse.jpg
DEAD HORSE STOP BEATING IT!
hey jay, i didnt bring it up
i posted the original post simply to clarify
because i know of 2 people who someone THOUGHT incorrectly was one of LAMONTS ANGELS, so i didnt want rumors and all
and i had gotten about 4 emails from others on it, so i clarified to make it understood to all
i didnt say anything insulting, nothing derogatory at all, and i didnt name names
senor Beavis posted something that was witty and made me laugh, so i commented how amusing his idea was-- so i honestly wasnt beating any dead horses on this one
now if someone happens to go "Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs" over every little thread that is made, that is not my fault at all, and my suggestion would be to ask the site owner to block the IP address of anyone who reacts that way and refuses to accept a BANNING like an adult, to keep them from reading the site
Lamont 09-29-2006, 04:38 PM I wasn't thinking for a second and thought you were talking about me in Chicago! Sorry, got which group I fell into confused :)
no no no
never talking about u, u r the GOOD CHICAGO FEMALE TRADER, not the other
would NEVER want anyone to confuse the 2
thats like Apples and Oranges!!!
jasimon1 is TWO THUMBS WAY UP!!!! :wave:
lilhave 09-29-2006, 04:41 PM I have been asked by many to tell the scoop, lowdown on Harvey's lil devil's, so here goes.
Jasmon1, at the club was known for her bubble bath routine. One night they ran out of bubble bath so she did her performance in clear mineral water. It was that night 17 tables and 14 chairs were busted as the male patrons rushed the stage.
Redwhine, at the club was known for her "bumps and grinds". One night she put in a extra bump and a extra grind. Nine mos. later N.Y.C. had a population explosion of 37 percent. Babies were everywhere.
Savage, at the club was known for her wild fan, fan dance. One night the boiler broke and it being the winter,the temperature plummeted to a frosty 23 degrees. Still nine guys were rushed to the hospital from heat exhaustion.
So Lamont has his scammers and misfits and I have my lil devil's.
Harvey-One lucky guy
Lex Luthor 09-29-2006, 05:09 PM Get out the padlock cause Lex is on a Rant!
i didnt say anything insulting, nothing derogatory at all, and i didnt name names
senor Beavis posted something that was witty and made me laugh, so i commented how amusing his idea was-- so i honestly wasnt beating any dead horses on this one
I admit the pic was amusing and probably could be used in reference as Bevis posted. I do not even have a problem with the reference to Lamont's Angels.
However the clarifications ALWAYS come with some slight reference to insight one person in particular.
especially the one in Chicago who screams the loudest over anything
some of them (or one) would get upset and complain to the higher ups (despite the fact that they are all banned, and in theory, should not be even reading the board or the posts!) ----
Wow! I think you did it. The one from Chicago will set a record for emails today, hitting for at least 100.
Beware community, stay off line. I feel sorry for Savage, coming home to thousands of emails. "look, look they are talking about me" Duh, Duh, your not supposed to be on line.
Harvey
You guys know EXACTLY what is going to happen and although it may be easy to insight this person all you are doing is causing more headache for Savage.
I love a good fight but I prefer to pick opponents who can fight back. This issue is damn old and gets dragged up so often.
We hear all this talk about "respect" for Savage then bloody show it!
OKay its clarified- can we get on with trading now?
I respect both of you guys and certainly know that there are others who love to jump on this as well. I agree with you guys probably 80% of the time, disagree 19% but every 1% I get pissed. The issue is old, it was dead months ago but always comes back. Can we leave it dead once and for all?
Get pissed at me , disagree with me that is your perogative. I only want to get the point across, I have tried diplomacy with no result so maybe being and A$$ will drive it home. I try and save this for people I don't like or respect but this issue is really p*ssing me off.
My not always wanted 2 cents
Cheers
loren 09-29-2006, 05:29 PM mr lex
thats why they invented a little known idea called
email block
this is to keep unwanted people from countless emails
i have a couple hundred folks in my block list
some like brother quinncy are there with numerous different emails
and guess what
it works very well
and when a blocked person tries another email addy
well you add that one to the list and have a sip of ice tea, and wonder what type of bs, that one was about
for sure nothing important
those who get dozens or even hundreds of emails from a certain person --that they dont want to hear from
well here yuall go
and......... miss savage even instructed me in the manly art of blocking pms, as well
so unless the unwanted person sends a letter through the postal service, you dont need to see any of it
and i would just write rts on the letter and drop it in the postal box
Lex Luthor 09-29-2006, 05:55 PM Missing the point
This is an old dead issue, the only reason it keeps surfacing is beacuase everyone knows it will incite reaction.
Quincy is similar but different , when he gets brought up 90% of the time it is because he has decided to approach someone new and there is questions about him.
The "mystery woman" is not a mystery, everyone knows so why keep it going? .... because a reaction is wanted and you know how well blocking works against this person. They will find a new email, pm, carrier pigeon whatever... So once again everyone here gets to laugh and Savage deals with the aftermath.
Beavis 09-29-2006, 05:56 PM I'll put this to rest, on my part..
I went to GOOGLE, and typed in Bad Traders.... I accidentlly clicked the IMAGE link, and thought... Hmmm.... then this cute, dead-on pic of a lavender horse and the black an white bandit, and eye mask, and saw the Red no trade, just scam/steal, lie logo... and I mmediately, immediately, thought of Savage and Lamont... :lol: :lol: ... the trading forums..... then I gleaned over and saw Lamont's Angles' thread..and viola.. :lol:
i'm done..but it will be good, say Lamon, or others here, myelf as well... instead of keep having to repeat over and over their points, gripes, complaints of a certain trader, poster, or scammer..... he can just post the little "bandit pic", and he's good to go... :lol: :lol: :lol: ;) THE PHOTO BELOW IS JUST AS GOOD, AY??? :lol:
http://www.mediabistro.com/mbtoolbox/original/hamburgler-thumb.jpg
Beavis 09-29-2006, 05:56 PM http://www.mediabistro.com/mbtoolbox/original/hamburgler-thumb.jpg
:p :p :p :p :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Lex Luthor 09-29-2006, 05:58 PM http://www.mediabistro.com/mbtoolbox/original/hamburgler-thumb.jpg
:p :p :p :p :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
First pic was better
Beavis 09-29-2006, 06:02 PM First pic was better
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Got it! Will take your advice then...
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a9602399/mlp/BadTraders/Bandits.gif
:crazy: :lol: :lol: :wave:
:wave:
Lex Luthor 09-29-2006, 07:18 PM :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Got it! Will take your advice then...
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a9602399/mlp/BadTraders/Bandits.gif
:crazy: :lol: :lol: :wave:
:wave:
I like that one! maybe we should even post it on the bad feeback section as a point of reference
Beavis 09-29-2006, 07:28 PM I like that one! maybe we should even post it on the bad feeback section as a point of reference
Dang, ! That is Brilliant! You beat me to the punch! GREAT IDEA It really is...now go look at the Green Bag the Bandit is carrying... there's some trades in there...and they're stealing it... it was supposed to be "in the mail..." think again... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a9602399/mlp/BadTraders/Bandits.gif
savageamusement 09-29-2006, 11:04 PM I would like to add one thing- to keep in mind-
ONE- Loren is 100% right you can block your PM here-
Simply go to Private messages:
2-To the left it says Buddy/Ignore list.
Take it from there
Email, most programs allow you to block a user.
Now as far as the "lamonts Angels go" and so on- Yes yes we all know who it is-
And things on the web have a way to getting back to people-
But I would like to address something in my corner-
I can NOT block PM's because I am a moderator here.
And my email program Does NOT block people-
So yes sometimes there IS an aftermath, and I can not just easily escape it.
However, I am more concerned, when you use terms like "lamonts Angels" that some WON"T know who you are talking about, and they will assume, and they will accuse- and they will whisper-
or keep it going as a joke- and quite frankly, it isn't always practical and sometimes it defeats your purpose.
When your posting something- as a warning- it should be brief, and relelvent. Period.
And also take into account that when/if information resrufaces, such as Pam Maples, and so forth, I do update the board-
and or you can always update me or another moderator to make an announcement and keep it brief and relevent.
Sometimes it seems things are brought up, not to show a trader was bad, but that some traders can't let things go.
I agree that people should be aware-
and that is WHY we have - and I put energy and work into good trader lists, and bad traders lists-
That is why we have feedback-
And that is why we have a community.
So sometimes threads like this are a bit overkill.
And lets be honest once more, we wouldn't need a thread to clariify this if a vague refrence wasn't made, or being used time nad time again in the first place.
When you bring something up, someone is almost always going to ask you to explain.
And that is why we have the bad trader list, with a description and reason for all the traders on there.
I think I did a good job on it for that fact alone.
If the users in question aren't being associated with some new scam, some new trade, why are they coming up so often?
loren 09-30-2006, 12:04 AM yes kim you may not block pms here--thats true enough for a moderator
however
a banned member will not be able to send you a pm,
SINCE THEY ARENT A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD
so thats not an issue
i also still get emails from undesireable folks
that slip through my block filter
so i have another choice
a delete key
i see a ceratin name pop up
and zap, there it goes into vapor
and of course i add that new email info to the block list
i didnt comment on the other ideas of this thread
this isnt my fight today
i only offer ideas on how to get rid of unwanted communication from whomever
We hear all this talk about "respect" for Savage then bloody show it!
:clap
savageamusement 09-30-2006, 09:29 AM Oh I know some banned members SHOULDN"T write me, but they do.
Sometimes out of anger.
Sometimes out of spite, sometimes hoping for help
90 percent of the time, not a big deal.
But, it depends on if there IS any recourse.
I don't want to bring up names, that would only make things worse- but, in the past there have been times, I have been part of a user getting banned.
There are 3 main reasons they write me.
1-
To ask why, demand a reason-
I usually try to write them first, but sometimes things happen, or I may not even know.
That is the first and usual contact.
2-Asking what can be done, - if anything-
Again, its fine. I will try usually to do what I can- when I can-
to understand the situation.
Many traders who have been banned, things can resolve- and things can go back to the way they were, with each side understanding the other a bit more.
And then there is
3-
To share with me their...grievance- and opinion.
And to this I will not hold my tongue, nor do I think I am invading any privacy.
Wolf11, once being banned, wrote me on one day, 18 times- going as far as to physically threaten me-
Reminding me he had my address.
And it is in those cases, that as Jay was saying, "situations can cause an aftermath for the moderator"
When Wolf11 was originally banned, it had strictly to do with his actions-
and once banned, during the course of the week, each time he was mentioned-
He wrote me- holding me personally responsible to even being discussed.
Was he serious of his threats, I hope not- doesn't seem so.
but it was one very long week- since I admit, being a female- at the time living alone- you really don't want to be on the end, of a random guy you don't know, basically threatening you non stop.
And there have been other angry users, none as angry as he was that week thankfully-
But others that read the site, look for their name and write me, expecting me to do, fix, remove, edit basically their history off a site.
Which I can not do some of the time- as 1-its part of their history/reputation
and 2-- it would be censoring others opinions.
And the fact is, it depends on intention.
But while I do think banned users need to respect they are not PART of this board anymore, I also don't want any user ot think it is a free for all-
Since they are banned, you can say what you want.
It isn't a rule, its just tact.
Most users, are banned for a really really good reason. Some aren't, some things get blown out of proportion, but most.
And even more so, a simple fact MOST banned users-
Try to come back, sucessfully come back until caught again
Have friends of friends, help them to get back on. And if they did not do such actions the fact is they wouldn't be brought up again as often and for that, they need to accept responsibility.
Pam Maples, excellent example.
Pams last email to me was hostile, So was RagstoRiches fan.
I still post when she/they turn up and start scamming again
Becuase reading hostile words is better than reading words of stress or loss for a trader who was used or taken advantage of.
Its a consequence of being a moderator- harsh words.
Pretty much weekly. Someone is upset.
But, I ask myself if the harsh words I got, are due to an action that protected the group
Most often it is.
And when I, and you all have a safer trading environment- to me, its well worth it don't you think.
So I am not saying don't post about banned users or older traders- its gonna come up.
Just ask yourself, why your bringing it up- is it relevent to now-
and is it going to bring help and awareness
or just a sore subject up.
robyrob 09-30-2006, 10:21 AM If someone is actually threatening you with physical harm - banned user or otherwise - and you take it serious enough to consider even the remote possibilty that they could be serious, i would look into forwarding that information to the authorities.
Harsh words are not a big deal, threats of physical violence - especially when they make a point of knowing your address, are.
savageamusement 09-30-2006, 11:05 AM Oh I did, I did.
It was my first crash course into privacy, FCC rules, ISP protection and other such things.
I have since learned ways to protect myself, and as well, what steps need to be taken in scenerios like that, G-Forbid they ever reoccure.
One of those times, I shook my head, saying all this "over a hobby"
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